I once knew a man convinced that the government had kidnapped him, planted electrodes in his head, and were reading his thoughts. He talked to himself constantly to distract them. His belief was JUST as strong as the assertion of having seen an angel that I just read. I suspect that in both cases, Lithium would prove efficaceous.
I don't go by physical evidence when it comes to certain biblical facts PJ. This man was definitely an angel that we saw. You could fill the very power of God, flowing from this creature. He then disappeared after appearing to us about 2 minutes after telling us that Jesus is coming soon.
Xians never seem 2 understand that the bible claims R not facts. They R simply comments that carry no more weight than Harry Potter, or any other work of fiction.
While Xians might think its unfair of me 2 refer 2 the bible as fiction, Id remind them that the bible contains many errors throughout. 1 of the biggest & obvious errors is the Flood & Noah's story. Science has proven repeatedly that his story is not true.
The ceiling over the pulpit in your church is only 9 ft. high? My bedroom ceiling is higher than that! I also find it strange that the angel U saw was a giant, when the angels of biblical times looked like an average man! Anyway, I do find it curious that an "angel" would come to U & say that JC is coming soon, when some of the holiest of people, to the simplest prayerful person, has asked god for these signs for 2K yrs without results! But U R told by an angel?
Don't the angels only come to prophets or others who play a very important role in the Christian religion? Joseph, you think way too much of yourself.
Before we even get into the details of the bible, I'd like to ask Xians/Apologists, to explain how god, if he is in fact Omniscient as scripture says, then how can man have free will?
I'm simple saying that both claims can't be true....one or the other but not both!
If someone believes these 2 factors R in fact true, then please explain it.
lol dude, spoken with the desperation of someone who's "debated" with creationists far too long! You might as well be banging your head against a brick wall ;)
I'm optimistic though, I hope one day they actually come up with an fact.
I've ran into a wall before...had to go to the hospital to get my hand X-rayed, which had doubled its thickness by then...From then on, I try not to hit too many walls.
The Grand Canyon is proof of a slow process of sedimentation and plate tectonics. Look at the Colorado River running through it: it makes freakin' U-turns. If the Grand Canyon were caused by flood water draining away at super-speed, you'd see a very straight line from beginning to end. THIS IS NOT THE CASE. The Grand Canyon is NOT IN ANY WAY proof of a Global Flood. Start thinking for yourself, instead of copying retards from Creationist sites, child.
Think for myself, you don't have to insult my intelligence PJ. All your information you get from science books and evolutionist. The flood was thousands of years ago. Any evidence may have out grown itself over time. Kent Hovind is not a retard by the way.
Any evidence may have out grown itself? Then how come we see clear evidence of small floods, big local floods, global catastrophes, mass extinction events, etcetera, all over the place, up to billions of years ago? If we find clear evidence of those events, how come we find NOTHING about a global flood?
Actually, erehwon, incest is something that really happens. Just look at Joseph and you have your proof right there. Noah's flood, on the other hand, NEVER happened. So a good comparison would be Noah's flood and the world being carried by elephants on a giant turtle.
Yeah PJ, I'm aware that incest occurs. However, unlike these apologists I do not accept it.
I have always thought that the story of a "global flood" to be a rather silly joke. How did the Koala's and the Eucalypts they feed upon get from Australia to the middle east and back again?
There R hundreds of problems connected to both the flood & Noah's story.
U mention the Koala's special diet. There R many other species that also require not only special diets, but special environments & wouldnt have survived long on Noah's Ark. Then we have the salt water, fresh water fish problem. If everything that wasn't on the Ark died, then we R to assume that what's living today, had to have been on the Ark. So how did he get all those fish from all over the worlds waters?
You see, incest is extremely bad. By doing so, a group gets a lot more detrimental mutations in the DNA and soon you'll get serious birth defects, until the group can no longer produce surviving offspring and thus dies out. This would happen within a few generations and if we start with Adam, the family would have died out before Noah was born. Inbreeding is extremely detrimental.
Actually, in biblical terms, we're speaking of the time after the fall, so it would've been as I explained. Basically, you're imagining an entirely new world, in which no rules or laws of nature apply, just to soothe your beliefs. How about facing the truth, Joseph? The bible is wrong and reality has proven it time and time again. Oh yes, do you have proof that the flood ever happened? (and don't say "the bible", because the bible makes the claim and is thus not evidence)
Physical evidence no. But I've seen things that the bible talks about, as far as supernatural things, such as angels and demons and miracles. So that's clear enough evidence for me. It's obvious all the other is true. Besides, we live by faith and not by sight, that includes physical evidence. If I went by physical evidence on believing the bible. I would have never seen the magnificent miracles and creatures I've seen on what the bile talks about. I don't have an to prove to you, I know.
Joseph, is it possible for you to be deceived, hallucinate or just be wrong? If yes, then look at science to confirm. When you realise that everything you claim, can be caused by:
1) hallucinating
2) misinterpreting the hallucinations, based on religious indoctrination
3) your mind playing tricks on you
And thus not by any real experience, then you must also realise that your experience is 99.9999...% certain to be false. That is, you did have an experience, but not of supernatural kind.
No I didn't see them during a near death experience. I was in shut in at my church, while in fasting and prayer. There were others fasting and praying with me as well. We were terrified when we saw this strange looking man, standing in the midst of the pulpit, holding a long sword, wearing a beautiful white robe. He was very handsome and tall. I suppose the cycling was at least 9 feet high, and the man's head reached the cycling. There were no imperfections with this man.
Yeah, I agree, and not only do you have to accept incest, if you accept the Flood & Noah's Ark you would also have to admit that you have no critical thinking skills, along with no understanding of science & basic reasoning abilities.
What's amazing is that so many Xians must lay claim to having such deficiencies.
They simply enter a state of denial. It's like flicking a light switch....off!
I know this bcuz I used to be a Fundie, & used those same methods of not dealing with reality.
Unfortunately, this is indeed the case. They make up all sorts of poor excuses and lies to not provide evidence for their claims. I've just listed my arguments again on my channel and I'll have to wait until they finally start giving good arguments and back them up with actual proof.
There is a spaghetti monster that lives in Uranus .. prove Me wrong.
coopersnoop 1 year ago
I once knew a man convinced that the government had kidnapped him, planted electrodes in his head, and were reading his thoughts. He talked to himself constantly to distract them. His belief was JUST as strong as the assertion of having seen an angel that I just read. I suspect that in both cases, Lithium would prove efficaceous.
RHYMEMAIDEN1 2 years ago
I don't go by physical evidence when it comes to certain biblical facts PJ. This man was definitely an angel that we saw. You could fill the very power of God, flowing from this creature. He then disappeared after appearing to us about 2 minutes after telling us that Jesus is coming soon.
JosephShedrickMaror 2 years ago
They aren't biblical facts, Joseph, because in order for them to be facts, there must be physical evidence, which you do not have.
You go by imagination, rather than facts. If you don't know the answer, you make something up and consider it a valid argument. YOU FAIL.
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
PJD..
U R of course, quite correct!
Xians never seem 2 understand that the bible claims R not facts. They R simply comments that carry no more weight than Harry Potter, or any other work of fiction.
While Xians might think its unfair of me 2 refer 2 the bible as fiction, Id remind them that the bible contains many errors throughout. 1 of the biggest & obvious errors is the Flood & Noah's story. Science has proven repeatedly that his story is not true.
Its a shame adults will deny these facts.
Cootabux 2 years ago
Joseph,
The ceiling over the pulpit in your church is only 9 ft. high? My bedroom ceiling is higher than that! I also find it strange that the angel U saw was a giant, when the angels of biblical times looked like an average man! Anyway, I do find it curious that an "angel" would come to U & say that JC is coming soon, when some of the holiest of people, to the simplest prayerful person, has asked god for these signs for 2K yrs without results! But U R told by an angel?
Curious story indeed!
Cootabux 2 years ago
Don't the angels only come to prophets or others who play a very important role in the Christian religion? Joseph, you think way too much of yourself.
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
It's a very small church, that's not so high in cycling
JosephShedrickMaror 2 years ago
Ceiling, Joseph, not cycling. Cycling is riding a bike.
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
Before we even get into the details of the bible, I'd like to ask Xians/Apologists, to explain how god, if he is in fact Omniscient as scripture says, then how can man have free will?
I'm simple saying that both claims can't be true....one or the other but not both!
If someone believes these 2 factors R in fact true, then please explain it.
Cootabux 2 years ago
Or how about this:
- God is all forgiving, kind, merciful, loving,...
- God will send you to be tortured for all eternity in Hell, if you don't do exactly what he says.
2 contradictory claims as well. And glad to have you on the rational side, cootabux.
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
lol dude, spoken with the desperation of someone who's "debated" with creationists far too long! You might as well be banging your head against a brick wall ;)
I'm optimistic though, I hope one day they actually come up with an fact.
SiCurious 2 years ago
I've ran into a wall before...had to go to the hospital to get my hand X-rayed, which had doubled its thickness by then...From then on, I try not to hit too many walls.
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
You are far more optimistic than I am :)
myrmecia1977 2 years ago
Grand Canyon
JosephShedrickMaror 2 years ago
The Grand Canyon is proof of a slow process of sedimentation and plate tectonics. Look at the Colorado River running through it: it makes freakin' U-turns. If the Grand Canyon were caused by flood water draining away at super-speed, you'd see a very straight line from beginning to end. THIS IS NOT THE CASE. The Grand Canyon is NOT IN ANY WAY proof of a Global Flood. Start thinking for yourself, instead of copying retards from Creationist sites, child.
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
Think for myself, you don't have to insult my intelligence PJ. All your information you get from science books and evolutionist. The flood was thousands of years ago. Any evidence may have out grown itself over time. Kent Hovind is not a retard by the way.
JosephShedrickMaror 2 years ago
Any evidence may have out grown itself? Then how come we see clear evidence of small floods, big local floods, global catastrophes, mass extinction events, etcetera, all over the place, up to billions of years ago? If we find clear evidence of those events, how come we find NOTHING about a global flood?
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
Calling Mr. Kent Hovind a retard is insulting to retards. He is, however, amongst other things: a liar; and a thief.
If you accept the story of "noah's flood" you also accept incest.
erehwon80 2 years ago
Actually, erehwon, incest is something that really happens. Just look at Joseph and you have your proof right there. Noah's flood, on the other hand, NEVER happened. So a good comparison would be Noah's flood and the world being carried by elephants on a giant turtle.
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
Yeah PJ, I'm aware that incest occurs. However, unlike these apologists I do not accept it.
I have always thought that the story of a "global flood" to be a rather silly joke. How did the Koala's and the Eucalypts they feed upon get from Australia to the middle east and back again?
erehwon80 2 years ago
ereh...
There R hundreds of problems connected to both the flood & Noah's story.
U mention the Koala's special diet. There R many other species that also require not only special diets, but special environments & wouldnt have survived long on Noah's Ark. Then we have the salt water, fresh water fish problem. If everything that wasn't on the Ark died, then we R to assume that what's living today, had to have been on the Ark. So how did he get all those fish from all over the worlds waters?
Cootabux 2 years ago
Incest was allowed then, because there was no more people in the world, so you had to marry your sister in order to breed.
JosephShedrickMaror 2 years ago
In other words: God approves incest.
You see, incest is extremely bad. By doing so, a group gets a lot more detrimental mutations in the DNA and soon you'll get serious birth defects, until the group can no longer produce surviving offspring and thus dies out. This would happen within a few generations and if we start with Adam, the family would have died out before Noah was born. Inbreeding is extremely detrimental.
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
Not back in those days it wasn't. Nowadays it is
JosephShedrickMaror 2 years ago
Actually, in biblical terms, we're speaking of the time after the fall, so it would've been as I explained. Basically, you're imagining an entirely new world, in which no rules or laws of nature apply, just to soothe your beliefs. How about facing the truth, Joseph? The bible is wrong and reality has proven it time and time again. Oh yes, do you have proof that the flood ever happened? (and don't say "the bible", because the bible makes the claim and is thus not evidence)
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
Physical evidence no. But I've seen things that the bible talks about, as far as supernatural things, such as angels and demons and miracles. So that's clear enough evidence for me. It's obvious all the other is true. Besides, we live by faith and not by sight, that includes physical evidence. If I went by physical evidence on believing the bible. I would have never seen the magnificent miracles and creatures I've seen on what the bile talks about. I don't have an to prove to you, I know.
JosephShedrickMaror 2 years ago
Joseph..
Are U saying you've seen angels and devils, is that what U R telling us?
Lets say U did actually see "real" angels, etc. That still wouldn't prove the bible god is real & true, not by a long shot!
There R many. many more problems with the bible than the Flood & Noah's story....many more.
Cootabux 2 years ago
Joseph, is it possible for you to be deceived, hallucinate or just be wrong? If yes, then look at science to confirm. When you realise that everything you claim, can be caused by:
1) hallucinating
2) misinterpreting the hallucinations, based on religious indoctrination
3) your mind playing tricks on you
And thus not by any real experience, then you must also realise that your experience is 99.9999...% certain to be false. That is, you did have an experience, but not of supernatural kind.
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
You insult my intelligence with your scientific suggestions.
JosephShedrickMaror 2 years ago
Well, maybe if you were smarter, your intelligence wouldn't be insulted so easily.
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
They weren't hallucinations, they were real intelligent life forms.
JosephShedrickMaror 2 years ago
Didn't you say you saw them during a NDE? In that case, they WERE hallucinations. Also, how do you assess they were:
1) real
2) intelligent
3) life forms
based on your mental instability?
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
No I didn't see them during a near death experience. I was in shut in at my church, while in fasting and prayer. There were others fasting and praying with me as well. We were terrified when we saw this strange looking man, standing in the midst of the pulpit, holding a long sword, wearing a beautiful white robe. He was very handsome and tall. I suppose the cycling was at least 9 feet high, and the man's head reached the cycling. There were no imperfections with this man.
JosephShedrickMaror 2 years ago
Conclusion: you hallucinated due to lack of nutritions.
PJDesseyn 2 years ago
Right... Why is it that apologists find it so easy to gloss over the incestuous stories of "adam and eve" and "noah's flood"?
You do realise that it is: (a) genetically impossible for one family to repopulate the planet; and (b) a "global flood" did not/cannot occur?
erehwon80 2 years ago
ereh...
Yeah, I agree, and not only do you have to accept incest, if you accept the Flood & Noah's Ark you would also have to admit that you have no critical thinking skills, along with no understanding of science & basic reasoning abilities.
What's amazing is that so many Xians must lay claim to having such deficiencies.
They simply enter a state of denial. It's like flicking a light switch....off!
I know this bcuz I used to be a Fundie, & used those same methods of not dealing with reality.
Cootabux 2 years ago
I doubt these "christian" lunatics will understand it even after this very clear video...
MortalLuc 2 years ago
Unfortunately, this is indeed the case. They make up all sorts of poor excuses and lies to not provide evidence for their claims. I've just listed my arguments again on my channel and I'll have to wait until they finally start giving good arguments and back them up with actual proof.
PJDesseyn 2 years ago