lmao @ Real Hiphop.. Rap Music is what 90% of people Listen to. they are 2 different music and rap Itself was Created 100's of Years ago, Any one can Rap, On any Beats, about anything that you do/did or want to do, an emcee can be really good at hiphop but a laughing stock when it comes to rapping, That is why many top emcee's can hardly sell anything when they rap, Others are good at it Biggie/jay z/eminem and others who were emcee's but rap. Its all about the delivery,ryhme,Beats and metaphors
yo...uh your video is great...however, i notice u put break dance at 2:24...and it's not breakdance...is bboy or breaking, breakdance is wat the main stream media created on their Tv shows...:)
@naligori no, hip hop's 4 elements are b-boying, emceeing, writing, and deejaying. any hip hop head will tell you that there is a clear distinction between emceeing and rapping and that labeling hip hop music as simply rap is a misnomer. also, i know a lot of heads (many of which are known in the hip hop culture) who would crucify you for calling a b-boy a break dancer, an emcee a rapper, and a writer a graffiti artist. i know it's all just semantics, but the language is important to us.
rap vs hiphop ---THE DIFFERENCE? thats like saying ---biking vs. the bike ......eveyone whos not butt fucked by the media knows that Rap is the verb form of HipHop----if you are performing HipHop---you are rapping or dj'ing...it isnt a seperate artform...or a seperate genre....it is a VERB not a noun---it is only PROPERLY USED as an action word-----"TO RAP" is its proper usage...the idea that it is a noun is BECAUSE people who knew shit all about hiphop thought it was different than RAP BWAHAHAA
@TheGreatDeciever55 1. you don't need to have rapping in a song to be making hip hop music, and 2. you aren't necessarily making hip hop music if you make a song with rapping in it. the better comparison would be saying "Classical Music vs. Singing", and while that doesn't necessarily make sense in context, the title is intended to get you to separate rapping from hip hop realizing it's its own entity so that we can come to the conclusion that people who rap in hip hop are MC's which =/= rappers
@unkoshersleepy13 they overlap but they are 2 different things. rap refers simply to the vocalization and can occur in just about any music genre in some form or other, and hip hop (referring here solely to the music, not the culture as a whole) refers to the actual music and is a bit more specific than most people claim it to be. most of what is out there on the radio is pop rap, meaning popular music (which very rarely contains elements of hip hop music) with rapping in it. much of the...
Hip hop: music by empowered individuals. Rap: music by Uncle Toms to be selled to white youth. electricprint(.)com edu4 classes readings race_whiteyouth_blackrap(.)pdf
i find this whole discussion to be stupid. The maker of this video is trying way too hard to sound knowledgable about the world of hip hop by putting different labels on everything. I think he worships KRS-1 a little too much.
@ReALiTeeChEkk i'm a fan of KRS but i'm not stuck on his word. i made this video a while ago so if i made another one right now there would be a lot of revisions, but for the most part, the message i would get across is that, while hip hop is a culture, within that culture is a style of music and that is not rap music, it is hip hop music. rap music is anything that involves rapping, whereas hip hop music is a bit more specific. there's a certain vibe and way that hip hop is supposed to sound..
...and much of the stuff played on the radio/MTV/etc., only purports to be hip hop, when in reality it is just pop music with rapping in it, or rap music. there are other songs that contain rapping but are not hip hop or pop, just as there are plenty of hip hop songs void of rapping. i'm just trying to help people understand what hip hop truly is, so that if they are going to criticize it/claim they are a fan of it, they at least know what it is they are criticizing/liking.
@ReALiTeeChEkk well, the vibe behind hip hop is mainly in the drums but you can't just pinpoint a specific sound like "that's what makes it hip hop", just like you can't do that with jazz or rock music. you really have to study hip hop and know what it's about to understand what is and isn't hip hop.
@eboyd32 , your comments below the video say " this is a DEFINITIVE look at two totally different music genres that people confuse as the same thing". That 100% contradicts what u say to me now. All u can say is it's mainly in the drums but nothing specific lol. I say hip hop music and rap music is the same thing and i'm asking u to prove me wrong. Since u claim they are completely different then u should have no problem telling me what that difference is.
@CAM8689 wrong. rap can be done within or without the spectrum of hip hop music and some hip hop involves rapping and others don't. rapping is a non-genre specific vocalization technique. emceeing is a vocalization technique found only in hip hop and it is related to rapping, though not exactly the same, differing in required skill set, knowledge base, level of skill, etc.
i agree kind of. rap can be a self genre but at the same time a part of the hip hop culture. basically emceeing is rap. but rap is the only branch from the hip hop culture that can be selfed genre.
I'm so tired of having to explain the difference to peeps, when it should be fairly obvious....Which style speaks directly to your soul?? Which songs sound like they were actually thought out? Which songs sound like the artists actually give a damn about good music, and accept nothing less?? Should be fairly obvious...
@eboyd32 Ur wrong! Rap is a part of hip hop! hip hop is the culture which one of the elements is rap. And rapping is emceeing. So idk wut ur talking about?
@509ECS you can rap without making hip hop music, ie: Blondie, Fergie, Chris Brown, etc. hip hop is about a specific vibe. there are plenty of songs that involve rapping that have nothing to do with hip hop. emceeing takes a specific skill level and set and needs to fit into the culture of hip hop to be considered emceeing and not simply rapping.
@bunchof6 true, but in general you don't find much rap music that isn't hip hop outside of pop music, and usually those rappers speak only on those topics. now there are exceptions to this rule, and whether or not the music is good is completely subjective (and that includes the stuff about bitches and clubbing). i am simply making a distinction between hip hop and other forms of music that involve rap, showing that the stereotypes hip hop has attained have been unwarranted.
@eboyd32 I think it's fair to some extent. I know you said there are exceptions to every rule, but to paint hip hop as this thoughtful haven of poets with lefty sensibilities such as Kweli, Mos Def and Arrested Development and the like is to ignore the contributions of others, which don't jive so well with that.
@bunchof6 When I say this I am thinking of groups like Boot Camp Click, the Death Row roster, Too Short, Mobb Deep, Wu Tang, DITC, I could go on. They aren't the exception to a rule, they helped make the rules. By which I mean they helped created the modern paradigm for what we call hip hop. So if you are a modern hip hop artist of any kind, those are the giants whose shoulders you are standing on.
@zeroaport then how do you account for instrumental hip hop, especially stuff like DJ Shadow's classic album "Endtroducing" and the entire subgenre of turntablism?
@zeroaport lol are you fucking kidding me???? do you not know how ridiculous that sounds?!?!?! how is it rap when there's no rapping??????! it is INSTRUMENTAL HIP HOP. meaning hip hop is the name of the culture AND the genre of music. smh
06:16... yeah so was NWA, Tupac, Biggie, Wu Tang Clan, Grave Diggaz, Scarface and many other rappers doing the gangsta rap scene. I know this video is old, but there are plenty of contemporary rappers doing well in the mainstream. Listen to J.Cole or XV and you'll know what I mean
LOL this is some bullshit.. an MC is someone who rocks the crowd regardless of the content of their lyrics. Stop trying to categorize rappers in different slots. Yes Lil Wayne is an MC, even if you don't like him... at the end of the day, he grabs the mic and becomes the master of ceremonies.
Hip Hop and Rap are dead because of todays music and Lil Wayne. What happened to real Hip Hop that didn't sound the same in every song like Tupac and Biggie?
@ytany84 u can have a hip hop instrumental but u cant have a rap instrumental also u can rap 2 a pop song or 2 sum drums but thats not hip hop cos hip hop has a distinct sound
Was a whole lot better years, YEARS ago. Past 10 years, maybe more... Just the same repetitive shit. Use to be so many things back in the late 70's early 90's...
Shame... Only a very few keep it real. Same goes with other styles of music. Rock, Metal... Most of it is trash. But the masses gobble it up. Only a few are what keeping these styles of music from going down the shitter.
@janirwin16 lol ok, obviously you are serious, which is sad, but nonetheless i thought you were just trolling at first. your comment shows your ignorance of hip hop because hip hop culture started without rapping. the first hip hop songs that were made were simple extended breaks. not all hip hop involves rapping. there's also instrumental hip hop which involves no vocals whatsoever. in other words, you can have hip hop without rap. it's very easy to find it. this defeats your entire argument.
@eboyd32 Actually Hip hop is a combination of rap/R&B If you look at the truth of Hip Hop you will see that almost 99% of Hip hop Artist were doing rap.
@janirwin16 you are a really fucking stupid person. why don't you actually study the history of hip hop dumb fuck. the stuff on the radio has NOTHING to do with hip hop. most of it is a pop fusion of techno and other new age synth styles of music with rapping. rapping exists outside of hip hop as well, as evidenced by the likes of Blondie and many other non-hip hop artists who have used rapping in their music. on the other hand, Kool Herc, the founder of hip hop, proves that hip hop began void..
...of rapping and that hip hop doesn't need rappers in order to be hip hop. DJ Shadow, Prefuse 73, and many other INSTRUMENTAL HIP HOP ARTISTS also perpetuate this truth.
@janirwin16 oh, and let's not forget the EXTREMELY VAST genre of turntablism and the likes of DJ Q-Bert and the Invisibl Skratch Piklz, as well as others.
@GerBelProductions haha, no doubt. ATCQ is definitely one of my fav groups. we could go on and list all the dope hip hop artists/groups but that would take 400+ comments or a 2 hour video to complete haha.
@97jocke again, as i've said to many, if rap is the music, then where does instrumental hip hop fit in? i've often gotten responses like "instrumental hip hop is just beats that are waiting to be rapped over", which shows a complete ignorance of hip hop music and culture in itself. it ignores subgenres like turntablism as well as landmark albums like Endtroducing and music by artists like Dabrye, RJD2, Prefuse 73, Metaform, etc. so if those are hip hop, how do they fit in the rap category?
@97jocke no, they aren't, and you didn't answer my question. speaking specifically on hip hop music, saying "Rap and hip hop are the same thing" is like saying rock & roll and playing a guitar are the same thing. for one, you don't necessarily need a guitar to make a rock & roll song, just as you don't need rapping to make a hip hop song, and as well, you are not necessarily making rock music if you are using a guitar, just as you aren't necessarily making hip hop music when you rap...
@jpbarbedwire1 ummmm.... ok.... ? you do realize that horrorcore is a subgenre of hip hop, right? it may be your preference, but i'm specifically showing the difference between hip hop and rap, which your comment has nothing to do with.
as a person who asks this question all the time & who has her own opinion on the subject, i enjoyed seeing someone present their opinion in an informative fashion. for those who have a different opinion, why not present it as eboyd32 has? let us see what YOU think.
I've always wondered what makes crunk different from regular rap and what is hyphy also u say gangsta isn't hip hop but arent N.W.A. 2pac or biggie i know most of N.W.A and 2pac are political and social issues but it wasn't like when grandmaster flash or public enemy did it cuz N.W.A. & pac talked alot about violence too
@TheSho12ty except 1. not all rapping is done within hip hop (think Blondie), and 2. not all hip hop involves rapping (think DJ Shadow). so your assertion is flawed.
Hip Hop is a genre or music, rap is a method of delivering vocals. Rap is to Hip Hop what Singing is to Pop. Rap is like an instrument while Hip Hop is the music created. Rap is the tool, Hip Hop is the result.
@andylaw31 1. there's a difference between an emcee and a rapper. hip hop has emcees. 2. rappers can do music within hip hop or outside of it (think Blondie). 3. not all hip hop has rapping and not all rapping is done within hip hop (kind of builds off of my second point).
@eboyd32 There's hardly a difference between an emcee and a rapper, . I agree Hip Hop exists without rap and rap exists without Hip Hop, but equally pop exists without singing - so my point was not that either are exclusive to one another, but that rap is a tool and Hip Hop is a genre, and that point is still valid.
@andylaw31 there may be only a vague difference, but you will still sound like an outsider to the culture to anyone who knows what's up if you call someone like KRS-One a rapper. the term rapper wasn't even used within the hip hop culture until hip hop got popular anyways. the point is that when people refer to rap music, they refer to the stereotypical stuff. any conscious reference to hip hop music rather than rap music shows at least an acute understanding of the culture.
@eboyd32 Yeah I always refer to it as Hip Hop music and correct people when they say Rap music, but what I'm saying is that Rap is a technique just as Singing is a technique.
@GoggleMan25 "although, you put together a nice video displaying the wonderful aspects of hip hop CULTURE.
I dont believe that their is a real difference between hip hop MUSIC and rap music......."
like i have told many other people who have commented on this video, the term "rap music" neglects forms of hip hop that do not involve rapping, such as turntablism and instrumental hip hop.
"the term "rap music" neglects forms of hip hop that do not involve rapping, such as turntablism and instrumental hip hop."
I agree with that but from my perspective, when rapping/mcing comes together with the instrumental it can fall under being both "hip hop music" and "rap music". Turntablism, and the instrumental alone can fall under the umbrella term "Hip Hop music"
@GoggleMan25 ok, but what's the point of that? why do we need the term "rap music" in the first place if we already have hip hop music? it's like saying "when jazz instrumentals come together with singing it can fall under both "jazz music" and "vocal jazz music". there are two points that need to be made here: 1. not all hip hop contains rapping, and 2. not all rapping is done within the context of hip hop. so why do we need to conflate the two? why should it be implied that rap is hip hop?
But hip hop music is very different from all other genres
it has it's unique way of displaying it's vocals.....rather than singing, we focus or vocal display on a good rhythm and rhyming
People that enjoy rapping are amazed by just that.....more so than the other aspects. Im not sayin that the other aspects of the music are less important (i plan on djing, and producing one day), but its just that the way that the mc/rapper does their thing, that makes their part stand alone
@GoggleMan25 but rapping has existed in one form or another long before hip hop (though it wasn't called that) and today transcends the hip hop culture. so it is no different than singing in that sense, though it is less common.
but before hip hop and even when hip hop started out the rhyming was just more for fun, most didn't want it to be taken too seriously, but when the late 80's/early 90's came about, rappers/mc's began to really challenge themselves which produced, more complex rhyme schemes, metaphors/similes that can go over ya head, and a more complex flow
singing focuses and has a much,much higher demand for a good vocal range, and the way the artists voice sounds.....
and for rapping most people dont care about the rappers/mc's voice, just as long as it's reasonable....but from there people care more about the lyrical content, and the way they flow
@GoggleMan25 i was simply proving the point that while rapping is sonically different from singing, it is similar in that it is not only utilized in one form of music.
@GoggleMan25 "An "MC" IS a "Rapper", and visa versa
Many of these "MC's" would have no problem being called a rapper.....most would consider themselves one"
this is completely false. as an emcee myself, and one that has close associations with many well known emcees (such as Percee P, KRS-One, K-Rino, etc.), i can attest that many if not most consider themselves to be emcees and not rappers. they may not correct you right away, but when pressed most see a difference between the two.
@GoggleMan25 as for the MC vs. rapper discussion, check the conversation i had with MosesHightower. we discussed it in detail and, while he came from somewhat of the same perspective as you did, he and i came to the same logical conclusions on the difference between an emcee and a rapper. of course my position is sort of different than most on this and has shifted since the making of this video. i see the term "rapper" as superfluous and as a term that shouldn't exist in the first place.
...it started with the beats and then freestyle (live & spontaneous) rapping was added over them.
whether someone writes conscious and/or skilled lyrics & rhymes doesnt change their status from a rapper to an MC. they are by definition the same thing. you can call the music genre 'rap', but it's technically only referring to the MCing.
"rap" was a term that existed way before hip hop was created - several centuries before!! see here: en.wikipedia [dot] org/wiki/Rapping
no, rapping =/= emceeing. you start as a rapper (though i don't like that term and feel it shouldn't exist. yes, the term "rap" has been around a long time, but the term "rapper" is fairly new and is only as old as hip hop's commercialization) and become an emcee when you have earned the title. call yourself an emcee to any real hip hopper to whom you haven't proven your skills and i guarantee he'll correct you. in addition to that, call one a rapper and i guarantee at least 1 will correct you..
@eboyd32 - my bad, you are right. i should have explained more on that one before posting. it wasn't in response to your vid but some of the comments i was reading. technically, MC is more than just rapping by definition - master of ceremonies, live event host, entertainer. a rapper just rhymes over beats, but an MC does rap. you can't be a beginner and be an MC. you gotta be able to run the shit and have respect/skills as an MC. it's analogous to breaker vs. bboy.
..."it started with the beats and then freestyle (live & spontaneous) rapping was added over them"
i just finished watching a documentary on freestyle where Kool Herc was speaking. he said that freestyle (as in off the top, "live & spontaneous") didn't exist until 1985. back in his day, you wrote the rhymes you would say. improvisation was unheard of...
@eboyd32 - i admit i dont know how it was usually done as performance back in the 70s, but i guarantee the first brother who started rapping did it spontaneously when he heard the dj cut up the beat. that's really what i meant - how it was sparked: by the beats. what i meant to say before was that rapping & MCing weren't different styles of hip hop like alternative or hip-pop/pop-rap. an MC still could do a pop-rap track if he wanted to & a beginner still could do old school flow or conscious.
@MosesHightower well of course he can, but back in the 70's the term "rapper" didn't even exist. they were called emcees back then, but that was a title that needed to be earned. "rapper" wasn't the term they used for people who were beginners either though. when people referred to "rappers" they were referring to a term that gained popularity as a slang term (rap) and people who didn't have any right to call themselves hip hop appropriated that term and used it to describe hip hop vocalists...
...who hadn't yet gained respect enough to be called emcees. this started, most obviously, with "Rapper's Delight", the first hip hop track that charted -- a track that also contained two full verses entirely bitten from Grandmaster Caz's notebook in such a hilarious fashion that Big Bank Hank even bit Caz's nickname on the track! (i'm the C-A-S-An the O-V-A and the rest is F-L-Y) so because of the connotation the term "rapper" has gained since hip hop's commercialization, i see rappers more...
...so as people who deliberately exploit hip hop for their own benefit, rather than trying to enrich it for the mutual benefit of them and the culture. KRS-One share's this opinion as well: "an emcee is a representative of hip hop culture. a rapper is a representative of corporate interests. an emcee can be a rapper, but a rapper can never be an emcee."
@eboyd32 - i hear you on that, and agree. makes sense since the word rap meant jive talk. it's just that i remember hearing the word 'rap' back in the early 80s and never got the vibe that it was derogatory or referring to posers, or the wack, sell-out, lowest-common-denominator shit like today's mainstream 'c.rap' & 'hip-Pop' - the rappers who are only about exploiting it for greed. i didn't know that about 'rapper's delight' but i always dug the sugar hill label.
@MosesHightower yeah man, that's common knowledge. i haven't checked but you can probably find a video of Caz talking about it here on YT. as for the Sugarhill label, no doubt. while Silvia Robinson did put out those wack posers, she also put out some of hip hop's most talented acts of its first generation as well including GM Flash & the Furious 5 among others.
..."it started with the beats and then freestyle (live & spontaneous) rapping was added over them"
i just finished watching a documentary on freestyle where Kool Herc was speaking. he said that freestyle (as in off the top, "live & spontaneous") didn't exist until 1985. back in his day, you wrote the rhymes you would say. improvisation was unheard of...
..."it started with the beats and then freestyle (live & spontaneous) rapping was added over them"
i just finished watching a documentary on freestyle where Kool Herc was speaking. he said that freestyle (as in off the top, "live & spontaneous") didn't exist until 1985. back in his day, you wrote the rhymes you would say. improvisation was unheard of...
..."it started with the beats and then freestyle (live and spontaneous) rapping was added over them"
i just finished watching a documentary on freestyle where Kool Herc was speaking. he said that freestyle (as in off the top, live and spontaneous) didn't exist until 1985. back in his day, you wrote the rhymes you would say. improvisation was unheard of...
..."whether someone writes conscious and/or skilled lyrics & rhymes doesnt change their status from a rapper to an MC"
no it doesn't, but gaining actual respect within the hip hop culture, whether it be locally, nationally, or internationally, IS required to be considered an emcee. you can ask any hip hop head about this and, if they are real, they will vouch for me here.
sure, hip-hop refers to the entire culture, but when talking about the music specifically, rap refers to only the rhyming. rapping = MCing. a rapper = an MC, plain and simple. hip hop is the music - the whole package when you put the beats with the rap. therefore, you can have instrumental hip hop (just beats, no rapping), but you can't have instrumental rap (it's an oxymoron). hip hop, referring to the beats, is the foundation of hip hop. (continued ->)
..."it started with the beats and then freestyle (live & spontaneous) rapping was added over them"
i just finished watching a documentary on freestyle where Kool Herc was speaking. he said that freestyle (as in off the top, "live & spontaneous") didn't exist until 1985. back in his day, you wrote the rhymes you would say. improvisation was unheard of...
@EpicXXProductions the fact that you have favorited mostly cliche hip hop (2pac and Bone Thugs) and/or gimmicky garbage pretending to be hip hop (50 Cent), with a few exceptions (Knowmads and Immortal Technique), makes it obvious to me that you aren't even really involved in the culture, you are just a casual fan, so your opinion holds no weight.
@EpicXXProductions wow, you really are a fucking dunce. what about instrumental hip hop, dumb ass? and no, i don't mean beats, i mean shit like DJ Shadow, Q-Bert, Prefuse 73, etc.... ? the term "hip hop music" is used because 1. not all hip hop music involves emceeing (which is not rapping btw), and 2. not all rapping is done in hip hop music.
emceeing is performing a rap song on stage.. a rapper is not yet a m.c , a m.c is a rapper.Hip Hop is the estate of mind (third eye) which sees things for what they are not what they appear to be. Hip Hop culture is the art through which those truths are expressed.Rap is the poetry of Hip Hop which most of the time includes the element of music(instrumental beat) ..as I see it
@RHYMePRIMe i respect that, though i somewhat disagree. it seems to me you are seeing hip hop from a very spiritual perspective, whereas i am looking at it more analytically (which probably has something to do with my atheism, rationalism and materialism, which is probably what leads to our disagreement which, again, is very slight.
rap is something that is done, generally within the hip hop culture. I don't think you can face them off against each other because rap is a defining element of hip hop.
@eboyd32 that view is too self righteous to carry any ground. Emcees rap, maybe rapping is a part of emceeing if we are considering the live sector but in the studio emceeing and rapping are the same thing.
@scotstyleproductions how is that too "self-righteous"?? the term rap was appropriated from street culture by record executives and used to describe the act of emceeing. hiphoppas didn't use the term "rapping" until hip hop gained commercial popularity.
@eboyd32 you're clinging to a premise that rap is bad, and have defined it as only commercial music that is based on hip hop. People have been using the term "rap" since back in the 1950s and earlier. It was then adopted by the early hip hop community used to describe the practice of emceeing before hip hop was in common usage as a phrase.
@scotstyleproductions no, you're clinging to the idea that "rap" was used by the early hip hop community when it clearly wasn't. "emceeing" was the term they used and the music wasn't considered "rap", it was "hip hop music".
@eboyd32 okay, you're aware that "hip hop" as a phrase was a joke that somehow stuck? Anyway, regardless of that my point is basically that you're too drowned in semantics. I really couldn't care less what you try to label music as, i live hip hop and i love rap.We'll leave it there before I start a book on it.
@German619DX no, because a lot of the new underground stuff, and even some of the mainstream stuff today, fits with the stuff you'd call "old school".
I really don't see how you can clearly define a culture, or (more specifically) the music of a culture. The only reason for categorization is to alleviate the stress on your mind, therefore it can never be accurate. If Hip Hop really is a culture among others then it should be treated as such.
KRS called 50 Cent Hip Hop, who's to say that he is right though?
@TheGoldenPlatano lol @ illuminati. gtfoh with that shit. rapping =/= emceeing. the term "rap" should never have been applied to the art of emceeing. that was mainstream media appropriating a term and applying it to a counter-culture phenomenon. anyone who is hip hop knows and agrees that emceeing is different from rapping. and again, as the argument goes that i have brought up to everyone else, if rap IS the musical representation of hip hop, then where does instrumental hip hop music fit?
I think that you have no idea what are you saying... Hip hop is a urban culture that englobes movements as rap (music), breakdance, graffiti, beatbox, the clothes, the dj, sampling, people like you who don't know what is rap can't tell to anyone what it is. Don't lie and firstly look forward and ask for some rapper who can tell you before.
@xexulongo looking at the list of artists you listen to i'd expect you to say something like that. look, while i don't use my experience as expertise and i know better than to appeal to authority, i will say that i am a hip hop artist. i'm an emcee though, not a rapper. there's a big difference and if you were hip hop you would know this and you would know what that difference is. i've been involved in the hip hop culture since the nineties. i am not just making shit up. i'll tell you like i...
...told everyone else who posted similar comments, if the music of hip hop culture is rap, then where does instrumental hip hop fit? i'd give you specific examples, but i don't think you are educated in hip hop culture enough to know who J Dilla, DJ Shadow, RJD2, Prefuse 73, etc., are. calling hip hop "rap" completely neglects aspects of hip hop in which there is no rapping, such as instrumental hip hop, breakbeat, turntablism, etc. "rap" is a term that should've never been adapted to hip hop...
@eboyd32 "Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live" - KRS One. (YouTube Rawcotiks - Hardcore Hip-Hop for a sick track that samples him saying it.) Don't make me upload KRS One breaking the whole shit down for you; just download the movie Rhyme and Reason.
Producing is a facet of DJing, which is an element of Hip Hop. Both rapping and DJing are elements that yield music. You have learning to do.
@spin1200s i've heard that 1000 times and agree with KRS, but that only gives us a small bit of info. he also said "an emcee is a representative of hip hop culture. a rapper is a representative of corporate interests. an emcee can be a rapper, but a rapper can never be an emcee." rapping may yield music, but it doesn't necessarily yield hip hop music (ie: Blondie, that one song where Madonna raps, and all the techno music on the mainstream camouflaged as hip hop).
@eboyd32 Your example proves my point. Everything is contained within Hip Hop. Your example involves comparing RAPPING to EMCEEING, both of which are one pillar within Hip Hop. So for you to say the conflict lies between rapping and Hip Hop is fallacious. To kick a little taxonomy on you: Hip Hop is superordinate and rapping/emceeing is subordinate (ie: rap is a category within Hip Hop).
@spin1200s how does it prove your point??????? let's use some logic here: Blondie raps but her music isn't hip hop. DJ Shadow makes hip hop music but doesn't rap. if Blondie can rap without making hip hop music, then rap isn't necessarily hip hop. therefore, not all rapping is done within hip hop. if DJ Shadow can make hip hop without rapping, then hip hop doesn't necessarily involve rapping. therefore, not all hip hop involves rapping. if not all rapping is done within hip hop and not all...
@eboyd32 "See, you talkin' now but you ain't saying nothing." - Big Daddy Kane.
Musicians can appropriate elements of hip hop in their own music, that doesn't exclude it from being an element of hip hop. Pop music is FULL of scratching (even orchestral music has scratching now - word to DJ Radar), rapping, etc. it doesn't make it hip hop.
The tension you allude to is between rapping and emceeing, NOT between rapping and hip hop. Emceeing doesn't EQUAL hip hop. It's merely a part of it.
lmao @ Real Hiphop.. Rap Music is what 90% of people Listen to. they are 2 different music and rap Itself was Created 100's of Years ago, Any one can Rap, On any Beats, about anything that you do/did or want to do, an emcee can be really good at hiphop but a laughing stock when it comes to rapping, That is why many top emcee's can hardly sell anything when they rap, Others are good at it Biggie/jay z/eminem and others who were emcee's but rap. Its all about the delivery,ryhme,Beats and metaphors
sirwallaby 1 day ago
yo...uh your video is great...however, i notice u put break dance at 2:24...and it's not breakdance...is bboy or breaking, breakdance is wat the main stream media created on their Tv shows...:)
thespecialguy12 2 weeks ago
@thespecialguy12 agreed. i made this video a while ago and have since realized the error of my ways :D thanks for noticing ;)
eboyd32 2 weeks ago
sadly true hiphop has been replaced with pop and emceeing, theres only a few good genres left anymore in my opinion
BlueLimeTV 1 month ago
The "Rap" should be changed to "Pop (with rapping)."
vote4cake1 1 month ago
@vote4cake1 that i can agree with COMPLETELY
eboyd32 1 month ago
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DarthVader7295 1 month ago
@DarthVader7295 More like every genre of music.
I hate close minded people.
vote4cake1 1 month ago
son lo mismo no jodan
luisdiaz1997 2 months ago
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naligori 2 months ago
@naligori no, hip hop's 4 elements are b-boying, emceeing, writing, and deejaying. any hip hop head will tell you that there is a clear distinction between emceeing and rapping and that labeling hip hop music as simply rap is a misnomer. also, i know a lot of heads (many of which are known in the hip hop culture) who would crucify you for calling a b-boy a break dancer, an emcee a rapper, and a writer a graffiti artist. i know it's all just semantics, but the language is important to us.
eboyd32 2 months ago
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naligori 2 months ago
rap vs hiphop ---THE DIFFERENCE? thats like saying ---biking vs. the bike ......eveyone whos not butt fucked by the media knows that Rap is the verb form of HipHop----if you are performing HipHop---you are rapping or dj'ing...it isnt a seperate artform...or a seperate genre....it is a VERB not a noun---it is only PROPERLY USED as an action word-----"TO RAP" is its proper usage...the idea that it is a noun is BECAUSE people who knew shit all about hiphop thought it was different than RAP BWAHAHAA
TheGreatDeciever55 2 months ago 6
@TheGreatDeciever55 1. you don't need to have rapping in a song to be making hip hop music, and 2. you aren't necessarily making hip hop music if you make a song with rapping in it. the better comparison would be saying "Classical Music vs. Singing", and while that doesn't necessarily make sense in context, the title is intended to get you to separate rapping from hip hop realizing it's its own entity so that we can come to the conclusion that people who rap in hip hop are MC's which =/= rappers
eboyd32 2 months ago 2
all yall saying "breakdancing" dont know enough clearly.
Bboying or breakin!
MahdiRanger 3 months ago
Hip hop is a way of life= Graffiti, hip hop rhyming, beatboxing, break dancing.. Thats the whole story of hip hop.
WeSSENT457 3 months ago
2 different styles? I don't think so. If you look at the whole music scene these two words are almost, I said almost interchangeable. They overlap.
unkoshersleepy13 4 months ago 5
@unkoshersleepy13 they overlap but they are 2 different things. rap refers simply to the vocalization and can occur in just about any music genre in some form or other, and hip hop (referring here solely to the music, not the culture as a whole) refers to the actual music and is a bit more specific than most people claim it to be. most of what is out there on the radio is pop rap, meaning popular music (which very rarely contains elements of hip hop music) with rapping in it. much of the...
eboyd32 4 months ago
...popular music on the radio/television lately contains more elements of techno music than it does hip hop.
eboyd32 4 months ago
wuuut nigga its called bboyin'
hlc60 4 months ago
NOOOOOO THE RARE SIXTH ELEMENT BUT MOST IMPORTANT IS KNOWLEDGE ....
giroyagetme 5 months ago
would you call mobb deep rap or hiphop? they rap about the same stuff 50 cent does
STATUSthesleepers 5 months ago
hip hop comercial, rap underground
anajuanmiguel 5 months ago
@anajuanmiguel that has little to do with it, and even if that were the case it's the other way around
eboyd32 5 months ago 4
Hip hop: music by empowered individuals. Rap: music by Uncle Toms to be selled to white youth. electricprint(.)com edu4 classes readings race_whiteyouth_blackrap(.)pdf
ricardofuego 5 months ago
i still don't understand the difference lol
bryan9ful 5 months ago
@bryan9ful have you read the comments at all?
eboyd32 5 months ago
I think that this video is totally bias in the opinion of rap/hiphop
krs does say rap is wat you do / hip hop is something you live
hip hop reflects where a mc lives wat hes/she been through were he/she raised
things hes/she has seen rap is also from the heart just a different perspective but now......
commercial rap/hiphop is made to promote or sell a certain brand
that has nothing to do with hip hop or rap real reckonize real
ThaRealDJWICKED 5 months ago
Hip hop to me was about consciousness and good times rap is about bullshit and negative energy. Hip Hop as far as main stream is dead.
fdsaks 5 months ago
@MrDBZ920 Yo! Imma copy your comment, because its so ture.
Dave102693 5 months ago
i find this whole discussion to be stupid. The maker of this video is trying way too hard to sound knowledgable about the world of hip hop by putting different labels on everything. I think he worships KRS-1 a little too much.
ReALiTeeChEkk 6 months ago
@ReALiTeeChEkk i'm a fan of KRS but i'm not stuck on his word. i made this video a while ago so if i made another one right now there would be a lot of revisions, but for the most part, the message i would get across is that, while hip hop is a culture, within that culture is a style of music and that is not rap music, it is hip hop music. rap music is anything that involves rapping, whereas hip hop music is a bit more specific. there's a certain vibe and way that hip hop is supposed to sound..
eboyd32 6 months ago
...and much of the stuff played on the radio/MTV/etc., only purports to be hip hop, when in reality it is just pop music with rapping in it, or rap music. there are other songs that contain rapping but are not hip hop or pop, just as there are plenty of hip hop songs void of rapping. i'm just trying to help people understand what hip hop truly is, so that if they are going to criticize it/claim they are a fan of it, they at least know what it is they are criticizing/liking.
eboyd32 6 months ago
@eboyd32 , then tell me what u think a song has to contain in order to be hip hop music and not just rap music.
ReALiTeeChEkk 6 months ago
@ReALiTeeChEkk well, the vibe behind hip hop is mainly in the drums but you can't just pinpoint a specific sound like "that's what makes it hip hop", just like you can't do that with jazz or rock music. you really have to study hip hop and know what it's about to understand what is and isn't hip hop.
eboyd32 6 months ago
@eboyd32 , your comments below the video say " this is a DEFINITIVE look at two totally different music genres that people confuse as the same thing". That 100% contradicts what u say to me now. All u can say is it's mainly in the drums but nothing specific lol. I say hip hop music and rap music is the same thing and i'm asking u to prove me wrong. Since u claim they are completely different then u should have no problem telling me what that difference is.
ReALiTeeChEkk 6 months ago
all Hip Hop can be rap but not all rap is hip hop.
CAM8689 6 months ago
@CAM8689 wrong. rap can be done within or without the spectrum of hip hop music and some hip hop involves rapping and others don't. rapping is a non-genre specific vocalization technique. emceeing is a vocalization technique found only in hip hop and it is related to rapping, though not exactly the same, differing in required skill set, knowledge base, level of skill, etc.
eboyd32 6 months ago
@eboyd32 thanks for the clarification that what I was told a while ago......I do agree that rap can be in or outside of the hip hop spectrum.
CAM8689 6 months ago
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CchriiSstiiaN 6 months ago
i agree kind of. rap can be a self genre but at the same time a part of the hip hop culture. basically emceeing is rap. but rap is the only branch from the hip hop culture that can be selfed genre.
DCUnderdog3000 6 months ago
I'm so tired of having to explain the difference to peeps, when it should be fairly obvious....Which style speaks directly to your soul?? Which songs sound like they were actually thought out? Which songs sound like the artists actually give a damn about good music, and accept nothing less?? Should be fairly obvious...
eppskevin 6 months ago
estas pendejo ,HIP HOP es la cultura ,el RAP solo es la musuca con la que se representa al HIP HOP
jorge65472 6 months ago
@jorge65472 estas idiota, hip hop es LA CULTURA Y LA MUSICA. hip hop INSTRUMENTAL es sin RAP. es MUSICA RAP o MUSICA HIP HOP? no tiene RAPPING.
eboyd32 6 months ago
@eboyd32 Ur wrong! Rap is a part of hip hop! hip hop is the culture which one of the elements is rap. And rapping is emceeing. So idk wut ur talking about?
509ECS 6 months ago
@509ECS you can rap without making hip hop music, ie: Blondie, Fergie, Chris Brown, etc. hip hop is about a specific vibe. there are plenty of songs that involve rapping that have nothing to do with hip hop. emceeing takes a specific skill level and set and needs to fit into the culture of hip hop to be considered emceeing and not simply rapping.
eboyd32 6 months ago
@eboyd32 Umm since when is fergie and chris brown Hip Hop? That pop bro,
509ECS 6 months ago
@509ECS holy fuck.... i know, that's my point. did you actually read anything i wrote???
eboyd32 6 months ago
@eboyd32 Hahahaha yea but i wus feeling like crap when i read it.....I see wut u mean now. Ya i guess i can feel wut you saying.
509ECS 6 months ago
@509ECS ok cool
eboyd32 6 months ago
@jorge65472 lo siento, mi espanol es terrible :D
eboyd32 6 months ago
If you hate fake hip hop type in KONCEPT REAL LIKE ME
koncept121 7 months ago
I don't like how this video implies that rap is all about the club and the bitches and etc. Rap doesn't have to be hip hop to be good.
bunchof6 7 months ago
@bunchof6 true, but in general you don't find much rap music that isn't hip hop outside of pop music, and usually those rappers speak only on those topics. now there are exceptions to this rule, and whether or not the music is good is completely subjective (and that includes the stuff about bitches and clubbing). i am simply making a distinction between hip hop and other forms of music that involve rap, showing that the stereotypes hip hop has attained have been unwarranted.
eboyd32 7 months ago
@eboyd32 I think it's fair to some extent. I know you said there are exceptions to every rule, but to paint hip hop as this thoughtful haven of poets with lefty sensibilities such as Kweli, Mos Def and Arrested Development and the like is to ignore the contributions of others, which don't jive so well with that.
bunchof6 7 months ago
@bunchof6 When I say this I am thinking of groups like Boot Camp Click, the Death Row roster, Too Short, Mobb Deep, Wu Tang, DITC, I could go on. They aren't the exception to a rule, they helped make the rules. By which I mean they helped created the modern paradigm for what we call hip hop. So if you are a modern hip hop artist of any kind, those are the giants whose shoulders you are standing on.
bunchof6 7 months ago
hiphop is the culture, rap is the music
simple
zeroaport 7 months ago
@zeroaport then how do you account for instrumental hip hop, especially stuff like DJ Shadow's classic album "Endtroducing" and the entire subgenre of turntablism?
eboyd32 7 months ago
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zeroaport 7 months ago
@eboyd32 instrumental rap
zeroaport 7 months ago
@zeroaport lol are you fucking kidding me???? do you not know how ridiculous that sounds?!?!?! how is it rap when there's no rapping??????! it is INSTRUMENTAL HIP HOP. meaning hip hop is the name of the culture AND the genre of music. smh
eboyd32 7 months ago
06:16... yeah so was NWA, Tupac, Biggie, Wu Tang Clan, Grave Diggaz, Scarface and many other rappers doing the gangsta rap scene. I know this video is old, but there are plenty of contemporary rappers doing well in the mainstream. Listen to J.Cole or XV and you'll know what I mean
TheRealCMeta 7 months ago
@TheRealCMeta back when i made this vid, the closest thing to J.Cole was Lil Wayne. thing are getting a bit better but we still have a way to go.
eboyd32 7 months ago
@TheRealCMeta -- well said...ha!!
D8thwonder1 7 months ago
LOL this is some bullshit.. an MC is someone who rocks the crowd regardless of the content of their lyrics. Stop trying to categorize rappers in different slots. Yes Lil Wayne is an MC, even if you don't like him... at the end of the day, he grabs the mic and becomes the master of ceremonies.
TheRealCMeta 7 months ago
Hip Hop and Rap are dead because of todays music and Lil Wayne. What happened to real Hip Hop that didn't sound the same in every song like Tupac and Biggie?
MexicanChamp1000 8 months ago
hip-hop and rap are the same thing..i've been listening to it for a long time and I could never understand the difference...
ytany84 8 months ago
@ytany84 u can have a hip hop instrumental but u cant have a rap instrumental also u can rap 2 a pop song or 2 sum drums but thats not hip hop cos hip hop has a distinct sound
rakimkoolgrapwutang 8 months ago
Was a whole lot better years, YEARS ago. Past 10 years, maybe more... Just the same repetitive shit. Use to be so many things back in the late 70's early 90's...
Shame... Only a very few keep it real. Same goes with other styles of music. Rock, Metal... Most of it is trash. But the masses gobble it up. Only a few are what keeping these styles of music from going down the shitter.
Downsider24 9 months ago
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there is no difference
heaviestofmetal 9 months ago
So...what is the difference ??
Mr97itachi 9 months ago
Nobody can say hip hop is better than rap cuz u cant do hip hop cuz u have to do rap first
janirwin16 9 months ago
@janirwin16 that was, so far, the most ignorant comment on this video.
eboyd32 9 months ago
@eboyd32 thats exactly wat u r ignorant
janirwin16 9 months ago
@janirwin16 lol ok, obviously you are serious, which is sad, but nonetheless i thought you were just trolling at first. your comment shows your ignorance of hip hop because hip hop culture started without rapping. the first hip hop songs that were made were simple extended breaks. not all hip hop involves rapping. there's also instrumental hip hop which involves no vocals whatsoever. in other words, you can have hip hop without rap. it's very easy to find it. this defeats your entire argument.
eboyd32 9 months ago
@eboyd32 Actually Hip hop is a combination of rap/R&B If you look at the truth of Hip Hop you will see that almost 99% of Hip hop Artist were doing rap.
janirwin16 9 months ago
@janirwin16 you are a really fucking stupid person. why don't you actually study the history of hip hop dumb fuck. the stuff on the radio has NOTHING to do with hip hop. most of it is a pop fusion of techno and other new age synth styles of music with rapping. rapping exists outside of hip hop as well, as evidenced by the likes of Blondie and many other non-hip hop artists who have used rapping in their music. on the other hand, Kool Herc, the founder of hip hop, proves that hip hop began void..
eboyd32 9 months ago
...of rapping and that hip hop doesn't need rappers in order to be hip hop. DJ Shadow, Prefuse 73, and many other INSTRUMENTAL HIP HOP ARTISTS also perpetuate this truth.
eboyd32 9 months ago
@janirwin16 oh, and let's not forget the EXTREMELY VAST genre of turntablism and the likes of DJ Q-Bert and the Invisibl Skratch Piklz, as well as others.
eboyd32 9 months ago
@eboyd32 Q-Tip of A Tribe Called Quest was ill as well...and thank you for shutting that idiot up
GerBelProductions 9 months ago
@GerBelProductions haha, no doubt. ATCQ is definitely one of my fav groups. we could go on and list all the dope hip hop artists/groups but that would take 400+ comments or a 2 hour video to complete haha.
eboyd32 9 months ago
According to KRS: "Rap is what we do, Hip Hop is what we live"
Hip hop is a lifestyle, rap is the music
hungtienboi 10 months ago 24
@hungtienboi Exacly!!
97jocke 2 months ago
@97jocke again, as i've said to many, if rap is the music, then where does instrumental hip hop fit in? i've often gotten responses like "instrumental hip hop is just beats that are waiting to be rapped over", which shows a complete ignorance of hip hop music and culture in itself. it ignores subgenres like turntablism as well as landmark albums like Endtroducing and music by artists like Dabrye, RJD2, Prefuse 73, Metaform, etc. so if those are hip hop, how do they fit in the rap category?
eboyd32 2 months ago
@eboyd32 Rap and hip hop are the same thing.
97jocke 2 months ago
@97jocke no, they aren't, and you didn't answer my question. speaking specifically on hip hop music, saying "Rap and hip hop are the same thing" is like saying rock & roll and playing a guitar are the same thing. for one, you don't necessarily need a guitar to make a rock & roll song, just as you don't need rapping to make a hip hop song, and as well, you are not necessarily making rock music if you are using a guitar, just as you aren't necessarily making hip hop music when you rap...
eboyd32 2 months ago
@eboyd32 Hiphop = Graffiti, Gangsters etc.. Rap=Music.
97jocke 2 months ago
@97jocke you=idiot
eboyd32 2 months ago 4
...for two, hip hop music is the genre. rap is one of many techniques that musicians commonly use to make hip hop music.
eboyd32 2 months ago
@jpbarbedwire1 ummmm.... ok.... ? you do realize that horrorcore is a subgenre of hip hop, right? it may be your preference, but i'm specifically showing the difference between hip hop and rap, which your comment has nothing to do with.
eboyd32 10 months ago
as a person who asks this question all the time & who has her own opinion on the subject, i enjoyed seeing someone present their opinion in an informative fashion. for those who have a different opinion, why not present it as eboyd32 has? let us see what YOU think.
afrasation 10 months ago
@afrasation exactly!
eboyd32 10 months ago
rappers make hip hop can i "Dumb it Down" anymore?
waki1996 11 months ago
@waki1996 rappers make other forms of music as well. your argument is way too simplified.
eboyd32 11 months ago 7
I've always wondered what makes crunk different from regular rap and what is hyphy also u say gangsta isn't hip hop but arent N.W.A. 2pac or biggie i know most of N.W.A and 2pac are political and social issues but it wasn't like when grandmaster flash or public enemy did it cuz N.W.A. & pac talked alot about violence too
randythesuperfly 11 months ago
Define Hip-Hop and you'll get RAP.
Define Rap and you'll get HIP-HOP.
They both share the same principles but it's really up to the VIEWER to decide.
TheSho12ty 11 months ago
Define Hip-Hop and you'll get the definition of RAP
Define Rap and you'll get the definition or HIP-HOP
They both share similar music principles but it's really up for YOU to define.
TheSho12ty 11 months ago
@TheSho12ty except 1. not all rapping is done within hip hop (think Blondie), and 2. not all hip hop involves rapping (think DJ Shadow). so your assertion is flawed.
eboyd32 11 months ago
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andylaw31 11 months ago
Hip Hop is a genre or music, rap is a method of delivering vocals. Rap is to Hip Hop what Singing is to Pop. Rap is like an instrument while Hip Hop is the music created. Rap is the tool, Hip Hop is the result.
andylaw31 11 months ago
@andylaw31 1. there's a difference between an emcee and a rapper. hip hop has emcees. 2. rappers can do music within hip hop or outside of it (think Blondie). 3. not all hip hop has rapping and not all rapping is done within hip hop (kind of builds off of my second point).
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32 There's hardly a difference between an emcee and a rapper, . I agree Hip Hop exists without rap and rap exists without Hip Hop, but equally pop exists without singing - so my point was not that either are exclusive to one another, but that rap is a tool and Hip Hop is a genre, and that point is still valid.
andylaw31 11 months ago
@andylaw31 there may be only a vague difference, but you will still sound like an outsider to the culture to anyone who knows what's up if you call someone like KRS-One a rapper. the term rapper wasn't even used within the hip hop culture until hip hop got popular anyways. the point is that when people refer to rap music, they refer to the stereotypical stuff. any conscious reference to hip hop music rather than rap music shows at least an acute understanding of the culture.
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32 Yeah I always refer to it as Hip Hop music and correct people when they say Rap music, but what I'm saying is that Rap is a technique just as Singing is a technique.
andylaw31 10 months ago
if you think there is a difference, you have no knowledge of hiphop. rap is just one aspect of hiphop. EVERY HIPHOP ARTIST IS A RAPPER
bgreen6 11 months ago
@bgreen6 "if you think there is a difference, you have no knowledge of hiphop"
really? let's explore your knowledge of hiphop real quick:
"rap is just one aspect of hiphop"
really? then what about rapping that occurs outside of the realm of hiphop? Blondie comes to mind here.
"EVERY HIPHOP ARTIST IS A RAPPER"
lol this is by far the least intelligent comment on this matter so far. what about producers? graffiti writers? b-boys?
eboyd32 11 months ago
@bgreen6 Some hip hop artists are the musicians that collaborate with the rapper.
andylaw31 11 months ago
this video is a load of bullshit
you listen to too much KRS One
GoggleMan25 11 months ago
@GoggleMan25 no, and no.
why don't you actually formulate an argument? maybe your comments would have more validity that way.
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32 although, you put together a nice video displaying the wonderful aspects of hip hop CULTURE.
I dont believe that their is a real difference between hip hop MUSIC and rap music.......
An "MC" IS a "Rapper", and visa versa
Many of these "MC's" would have no problem being called a rapper.....most would consider themselves one
GoggleMan25 11 months ago
@GoggleMan25 "although, you put together a nice video displaying the wonderful aspects of hip hop CULTURE.
I dont believe that their is a real difference between hip hop MUSIC and rap music......."
like i have told many other people who have commented on this video, the term "rap music" neglects forms of hip hop that do not involve rapping, such as turntablism and instrumental hip hop.
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32
"the term "rap music" neglects forms of hip hop that do not involve rapping, such as turntablism and instrumental hip hop."
I agree with that but from my perspective, when rapping/mcing comes together with the instrumental it can fall under being both "hip hop music" and "rap music". Turntablism, and the instrumental alone can fall under the umbrella term "Hip Hop music"
GoggleMan25 11 months ago
@GoggleMan25 ok, but what's the point of that? why do we need the term "rap music" in the first place if we already have hip hop music? it's like saying "when jazz instrumentals come together with singing it can fall under both "jazz music" and "vocal jazz music". there are two points that need to be made here: 1. not all hip hop contains rapping, and 2. not all rapping is done within the context of hip hop. so why do we need to conflate the two? why should it be implied that rap is hip hop?
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32
But hip hop music is very different from all other genres
it has it's unique way of displaying it's vocals.....rather than singing, we focus or vocal display on a good rhythm and rhyming
People that enjoy rapping are amazed by just that.....more so than the other aspects. Im not sayin that the other aspects of the music are less important (i plan on djing, and producing one day), but its just that the way that the mc/rapper does their thing, that makes their part stand alone
GoggleMan25 11 months ago
@GoggleMan25 but rapping has existed in one form or another long before hip hop (though it wasn't called that) and today transcends the hip hop culture. so it is no different than singing in that sense, though it is less common.
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32
but before hip hop and even when hip hop started out the rhyming was just more for fun, most didn't want it to be taken too seriously, but when the late 80's/early 90's came about, rappers/mc's began to really challenge themselves which produced, more complex rhyme schemes, metaphors/similes that can go over ya head, and a more complex flow
singing focuses and has a much,much higher demand for a good vocal range, and the way the artists voice sounds.....
GoggleMan25 11 months ago
@GoggleMan25
and for rapping most people dont care about the rappers/mc's voice, just as long as it's reasonable....but from there people care more about the lyrical content, and the way they flow
GoggleMan25 11 months ago
@GoggleMan25 and... ? what's your point?
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32
what was your point with comparing rapping and singing?
GoggleMan25 11 months ago
@GoggleMan25 i was simply proving the point that while rapping is sonically different from singing, it is similar in that it is not only utilized in one form of music.
eboyd32 11 months ago
@GoggleMan25 "An "MC" IS a "Rapper", and visa versa
Many of these "MC's" would have no problem being called a rapper.....most would consider themselves one"
this is completely false. as an emcee myself, and one that has close associations with many well known emcees (such as Percee P, KRS-One, K-Rino, etc.), i can attest that many if not most consider themselves to be emcees and not rappers. they may not correct you right away, but when pressed most see a difference between the two.
eboyd32 11 months ago
@GoggleMan25 as for the MC vs. rapper discussion, check the conversation i had with MosesHightower. we discussed it in detail and, while he came from somewhat of the same perspective as you did, he and i came to the same logical conclusions on the difference between an emcee and a rapper. of course my position is sort of different than most on this and has shifted since the making of this video. i see the term "rapper" as superfluous and as a term that shouldn't exist in the first place.
eboyd32 11 months ago
...it started with the beats and then freestyle (live & spontaneous) rapping was added over them.
whether someone writes conscious and/or skilled lyrics & rhymes doesnt change their status from a rapper to an MC. they are by definition the same thing. you can call the music genre 'rap', but it's technically only referring to the MCing.
"rap" was a term that existed way before hip hop was created - several centuries before!! see here: en.wikipedia [dot] org/wiki/Rapping
MosesHightower 11 months ago
@MosesHightower i agree with a few things you said, namely these:
"hip hop is the music - the whole package"
"you can have instrumental hip hop (just beats, no rapping), but you can't have instrumental rap (it's an oxymoron)"
"hip hop, referring to the beats, is the foundation of hip hop."
""rap" was a term that existed way before hip hop was created - several centuries before!!"
however, you fall off with these:
"rapping = MCing. a rapper = an MC, plain and simple"
(continued)
eboyd32 11 months ago
no, rapping =/= emceeing. you start as a rapper (though i don't like that term and feel it shouldn't exist. yes, the term "rap" has been around a long time, but the term "rapper" is fairly new and is only as old as hip hop's commercialization) and become an emcee when you have earned the title. call yourself an emcee to any real hip hopper to whom you haven't proven your skills and i guarantee he'll correct you. in addition to that, call one a rapper and i guarantee at least 1 will correct you..
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32 - my bad, you are right. i should have explained more on that one before posting. it wasn't in response to your vid but some of the comments i was reading. technically, MC is more than just rapping by definition - master of ceremonies, live event host, entertainer. a rapper just rhymes over beats, but an MC does rap. you can't be a beginner and be an MC. you gotta be able to run the shit and have respect/skills as an MC. it's analogous to breaker vs. bboy.
MosesHightower 11 months ago
@MosesHightower exactly. i agree with that 100%
eboyd32 11 months ago
..."it started with the beats and then freestyle (live & spontaneous) rapping was added over them"
i just finished watching a documentary on freestyle where Kool Herc was speaking. he said that freestyle (as in off the top, "live & spontaneous") didn't exist until 1985. back in his day, you wrote the rhymes you would say. improvisation was unheard of...
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32 - i admit i dont know how it was usually done as performance back in the 70s, but i guarantee the first brother who started rapping did it spontaneously when he heard the dj cut up the beat. that's really what i meant - how it was sparked: by the beats. what i meant to say before was that rapping & MCing weren't different styles of hip hop like alternative or hip-pop/pop-rap. an MC still could do a pop-rap track if he wanted to & a beginner still could do old school flow or conscious.
MosesHightower 11 months ago
@MosesHightower well of course he can, but back in the 70's the term "rapper" didn't even exist. they were called emcees back then, but that was a title that needed to be earned. "rapper" wasn't the term they used for people who were beginners either though. when people referred to "rappers" they were referring to a term that gained popularity as a slang term (rap) and people who didn't have any right to call themselves hip hop appropriated that term and used it to describe hip hop vocalists...
eboyd32 11 months ago
...who hadn't yet gained respect enough to be called emcees. this started, most obviously, with "Rapper's Delight", the first hip hop track that charted -- a track that also contained two full verses entirely bitten from Grandmaster Caz's notebook in such a hilarious fashion that Big Bank Hank even bit Caz's nickname on the track! (i'm the C-A-S-An the O-V-A and the rest is F-L-Y) so because of the connotation the term "rapper" has gained since hip hop's commercialization, i see rappers more...
eboyd32 11 months ago
...so as people who deliberately exploit hip hop for their own benefit, rather than trying to enrich it for the mutual benefit of them and the culture. KRS-One share's this opinion as well: "an emcee is a representative of hip hop culture. a rapper is a representative of corporate interests. an emcee can be a rapper, but a rapper can never be an emcee."
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32 - i hear you on that, and agree. makes sense since the word rap meant jive talk. it's just that i remember hearing the word 'rap' back in the early 80s and never got the vibe that it was derogatory or referring to posers, or the wack, sell-out, lowest-common-denominator shit like today's mainstream 'c.rap' & 'hip-Pop' - the rappers who are only about exploiting it for greed. i didn't know that about 'rapper's delight' but i always dug the sugar hill label.
MosesHightower 11 months ago
@MosesHightower yeah man, that's common knowledge. i haven't checked but you can probably find a video of Caz talking about it here on YT. as for the Sugarhill label, no doubt. while Silvia Robinson did put out those wack posers, she also put out some of hip hop's most talented acts of its first generation as well including GM Flash & the Furious 5 among others.
eboyd32 11 months ago
..."it started with the beats and then freestyle (live & spontaneous) rapping was added over them"
i just finished watching a documentary on freestyle where Kool Herc was speaking. he said that freestyle (as in off the top, "live & spontaneous") didn't exist until 1985. back in his day, you wrote the rhymes you would say. improvisation was unheard of...
eboyd32 11 months ago
..."it started with the beats and then freestyle (live & spontaneous) rapping was added over them"
i just finished watching a documentary on freestyle where Kool Herc was speaking. he said that freestyle (as in off the top, "live & spontaneous") didn't exist until 1985. back in his day, you wrote the rhymes you would say. improvisation was unheard of...
eboyd32 11 months ago
..."it started with the beats and then freestyle (live and spontaneous) rapping was added over them"
i just finished watching a documentary on freestyle where Kool Herc was speaking. he said that freestyle (as in off the top, live and spontaneous) didn't exist until 1985. back in his day, you wrote the rhymes you would say. improvisation was unheard of...
eboyd32 11 months ago
..."whether someone writes conscious and/or skilled lyrics & rhymes doesnt change their status from a rapper to an MC"
no it doesn't, but gaining actual respect within the hip hop culture, whether it be locally, nationally, or internationally, IS required to be considered an emcee. you can ask any hip hop head about this and, if they are real, they will vouch for me here.
"they are by definition the same thing"
not at all
eboyd32 11 months ago
sure, hip-hop refers to the entire culture, but when talking about the music specifically, rap refers to only the rhyming. rapping = MCing. a rapper = an MC, plain and simple. hip hop is the music - the whole package when you put the beats with the rap. therefore, you can have instrumental hip hop (just beats, no rapping), but you can't have instrumental rap (it's an oxymoron). hip hop, referring to the beats, is the foundation of hip hop. (continued ->)
MosesHightower 11 months ago
..."it started with the beats and then freestyle (live & spontaneous) rapping was added over them"
i just finished watching a documentary on freestyle where Kool Herc was speaking. he said that freestyle (as in off the top, "live & spontaneous") didn't exist until 1985. back in his day, you wrote the rhymes you would say. improvisation was unheard of...
eboyd32 11 months ago
what do you mean my taste in hip hop?
EpicXXProductions 11 months ago
@EpicXXProductions the fact that you have favorited mostly cliche hip hop (2pac and Bone Thugs) and/or gimmicky garbage pretending to be hip hop (50 Cent), with a few exceptions (Knowmads and Immortal Technique), makes it obvious to me that you aren't even really involved in the culture, you are just a casual fan, so your opinion holds no weight.
eboyd32 11 months ago
Yeah that "hip-hop music" is emceeing in other words rap...
EpicXXProductions 11 months ago
@EpicXXProductions wow, you really are a fucking dunce. what about instrumental hip hop, dumb ass? and no, i don't mean beats, i mean shit like DJ Shadow, Q-Bert, Prefuse 73, etc.... ? the term "hip hop music" is used because 1. not all hip hop music involves emceeing (which is not rapping btw), and 2. not all rapping is done in hip hop music.
eboyd32 11 months ago
@EpicXXProductions wait a minute, i should've looked at your page earlier. your taste in hip hop reveals that you don't know shit.
eboyd32 11 months ago
Hip-Hop is a culture not a genre of music, idiot.
EpicXXProductions 11 months ago
@EpicXXProductions hip hop is a culture that contains a genre of music called "hip hop music", dumb fuck
eboyd32 11 months ago
emceeing is performing a rap song on stage.. a rapper is not yet a m.c , a m.c is a rapper.Hip Hop is the estate of mind (third eye) which sees things for what they are not what they appear to be. Hip Hop culture is the art through which those truths are expressed.Rap is the poetry of Hip Hop which most of the time includes the element of music(instrumental beat) ..as I see it
RHYMePRIMe 11 months ago
@RHYMePRIMe i respect that, though i somewhat disagree. it seems to me you are seeing hip hop from a very spiritual perspective, whereas i am looking at it more analytically (which probably has something to do with my atheism, rationalism and materialism, which is probably what leads to our disagreement which, again, is very slight.
eboyd32 11 months ago
rap is something that is done, generally within the hip hop culture. I don't think you can face them off against each other because rap is a defining element of hip hop.
scotstyleproductions 11 months ago
@scotstyleproductions emceeing is a defining element of hip hop. rapping is not emceeing.
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32 that view is too self righteous to carry any ground. Emcees rap, maybe rapping is a part of emceeing if we are considering the live sector but in the studio emceeing and rapping are the same thing.
scotstyleproductions 11 months ago
@scotstyleproductions how is that too "self-righteous"?? the term rap was appropriated from street culture by record executives and used to describe the act of emceeing. hiphoppas didn't use the term "rapping" until hip hop gained commercial popularity.
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32 you're clinging to a premise that rap is bad, and have defined it as only commercial music that is based on hip hop. People have been using the term "rap" since back in the 1950s and earlier. It was then adopted by the early hip hop community used to describe the practice of emceeing before hip hop was in common usage as a phrase.
scotstyleproductions 11 months ago
@scotstyleproductions no, you're clinging to the idea that "rap" was used by the early hip hop community when it clearly wasn't. "emceeing" was the term they used and the music wasn't considered "rap", it was "hip hop music".
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32 okay, you're aware that "hip hop" as a phrase was a joke that somehow stuck? Anyway, regardless of that my point is basically that you're too drowned in semantics. I really couldn't care less what you try to label music as, i live hip hop and i love rap.We'll leave it there before I start a book on it.
Peace
scotstyleproductions 10 months ago
@German619DX no, because a lot of the new underground stuff, and even some of the mainstream stuff today, fits with the stuff you'd call "old school".
eboyd32 11 months ago
I really don't see how you can clearly define a culture, or (more specifically) the music of a culture. The only reason for categorization is to alleviate the stress on your mind, therefore it can never be accurate. If Hip Hop really is a culture among others then it should be treated as such.
KRS called 50 Cent Hip Hop, who's to say that he is right though?
LiesMakeBabyJesusCry 11 months ago
@TheGoldenPlatano lol @ illuminati. gtfoh with that shit. rapping =/= emceeing. the term "rap" should never have been applied to the art of emceeing. that was mainstream media appropriating a term and applying it to a counter-culture phenomenon. anyone who is hip hop knows and agrees that emceeing is different from rapping. and again, as the argument goes that i have brought up to everyone else, if rap IS the musical representation of hip hop, then where does instrumental hip hop music fit?
eboyd32 11 months ago
hip hop is dead this is rap THE SOUTH KILLED HIP HOP I JUST LISTEN TO OLD SCHOOL FUCK THIS NEW SHIT I COULD CRY OF HOW TERRIBLE MUSIC IS NOW
TheEaglesfanindc 1 year ago
@MrDBZ920 nah 2009= hip hop is dead
blazinflorida 1 year ago
I think that you have no idea what are you saying... Hip hop is a urban culture that englobes movements as rap (music), breakdance, graffiti, beatbox, the clothes, the dj, sampling, people like you who don't know what is rap can't tell to anyone what it is. Don't lie and firstly look forward and ask for some rapper who can tell you before.
xexulongo 1 year ago 7
@xexulongo looking at the list of artists you listen to i'd expect you to say something like that. look, while i don't use my experience as expertise and i know better than to appeal to authority, i will say that i am a hip hop artist. i'm an emcee though, not a rapper. there's a big difference and if you were hip hop you would know this and you would know what that difference is. i've been involved in the hip hop culture since the nineties. i am not just making shit up. i'll tell you like i...
eboyd32 1 year ago
...told everyone else who posted similar comments, if the music of hip hop culture is rap, then where does instrumental hip hop fit? i'd give you specific examples, but i don't think you are educated in hip hop culture enough to know who J Dilla, DJ Shadow, RJD2, Prefuse 73, etc., are. calling hip hop "rap" completely neglects aspects of hip hop in which there is no rapping, such as instrumental hip hop, breakbeat, turntablism, etc. "rap" is a term that should've never been adapted to hip hop...
eboyd32 1 year ago
@eboyd32 "Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live" - KRS One. (YouTube Rawcotiks - Hardcore Hip-Hop for a sick track that samples him saying it.) Don't make me upload KRS One breaking the whole shit down for you; just download the movie Rhyme and Reason.
Producing is a facet of DJing, which is an element of Hip Hop. Both rapping and DJing are elements that yield music. You have learning to do.
spin1200s 1 year ago
@spin1200s i've heard that 1000 times and agree with KRS, but that only gives us a small bit of info. he also said "an emcee is a representative of hip hop culture. a rapper is a representative of corporate interests. an emcee can be a rapper, but a rapper can never be an emcee." rapping may yield music, but it doesn't necessarily yield hip hop music (ie: Blondie, that one song where Madonna raps, and all the techno music on the mainstream camouflaged as hip hop).
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32 Your example proves my point. Everything is contained within Hip Hop. Your example involves comparing RAPPING to EMCEEING, both of which are one pillar within Hip Hop. So for you to say the conflict lies between rapping and Hip Hop is fallacious. To kick a little taxonomy on you: Hip Hop is superordinate and rapping/emceeing is subordinate (ie: rap is a category within Hip Hop).
spin1200s 11 months ago
@spin1200s how does it prove your point??????? let's use some logic here: Blondie raps but her music isn't hip hop. DJ Shadow makes hip hop music but doesn't rap. if Blondie can rap without making hip hop music, then rap isn't necessarily hip hop. therefore, not all rapping is done within hip hop. if DJ Shadow can make hip hop without rapping, then hip hop doesn't necessarily involve rapping. therefore, not all hip hop involves rapping. if not all rapping is done within hip hop and not all...
eboyd32 11 months ago
@eboyd32 "See, you talkin' now but you ain't saying nothing." - Big Daddy Kane.
Musicians can appropriate elements of hip hop in their own music, that doesn't exclude it from being an element of hip hop. Pop music is FULL of scratching (even orchestral music has scratching now - word to DJ Radar), rapping, etc. it doesn't make it hip hop.
The tension you allude to is between rapping and emceeing, NOT between rapping and hip hop. Emceeing doesn't EQUAL hip hop. It's merely a part of it.
spin1200s 11 months ago