Only three out of thirteen parties (and 11 out of 120 members) in the Knesset can be considered to represent Arab views, one of which is predominately Jewish.
@gobuddyboy Yes it can. Israel is only known as a jewish state because jews are the majority, but its government is secular. America is known as a christian country, but it is a democratic republic.
@timmcgrw4 There's nothing in the American constitution that states that USA is a Christian country... lucky Jewish Americans!... But the Israeli constitution states that Israel is a Jewish state, so the others are really Israeli? Of course Israel will tolerate them inside as long as they are a powerless minority. But Israel also rules over large portions of land outside its borders and the ppl there don't have any rights in Israel. So, it's fair to say that Israel is not a democracy.
first,there's no israeli constitution(funny,isn't it?they only have some few essential laws wich act as constitution.they wanted to make one,but the day after they declared independance they got busy,and we know the rest),second,it is jewish in the sense of ethnicity,nor religion
israel has big amounts of atheists and agnostics who,anyway,are ethnic jews and identify themselves as jews.
maybe it's better to start using the term (continue)
@ConOBri No your wrong. It is a democracy. My father is an Arab Israeli and my entire family lives in Israel and they live a wonderful life, with full equal rights, and have members in the Knesset as well. And they do not "tolerate," they welcome them to participate.
@MrTralyalya@MrTralyalya You're interpretation of what "separated" means might have made sense if we weren't talking about an authority that repeatedly praises "martyrs" who shed Jewish blood (but only in the Arabic media so that the west doesn't hear it). Sadly though, we are. Most Israelis get on well with their Arab neighbours in Tel-Aviv Jaffa and Haifa and vice versa.
@PsycoSyd that was said by PA officials. they did not endorse any terrorist acts. In fact , there were no terror attacks from the territories for long time (hopefully this will continue to be true), but settlements continued to be build , new territories were added to Jerusalem to make matter worse for the time of leaving that territories. Because just mentioning , division of Jerusalem will ignite religious Jews all over the world.
@MrTralyalya We're not discussing terrorism & settlements.Theres plenty of time to debate both.What we're dealing with is the question of apartheid & how its baselessly applied to Israel.Im not sure how youre apologising for the seperation remark by saying it came from PA officials.If anything that should confirm which side endorses true apartheid.You can dress it up in as much apologetic verbal effluvia as you like but it doesnt change the underlying tone of the message
@MrTralyalya Also, how do you account for the death penalty being applied to those who sell land to people of another race, namely the Jews? Surely that should ring bells with those who know their history...
@PsycoSyd Where are you taking your info from ? Any sources ?
There is separation between Jews in Occupied territories and Arabs and this territories are under Israel's control . You can call whatever you want , but it is damn close to apartheid . I did not say there is apartheid in Israel proper. (Sent you more detailed description)
@MrTralyalya To open the links - because YouTube wont allow them in comments - replace the *** with the usual URL beginning and then add "dubya dubya dubya" "dot" goo "dot" gl & forward slash
@MrTralyalya Here is a link which illustrates how the PA have confirmed this law does exist and it is enforced because they do not want Jews in their midst. Apartheid! ***O4mKb
As before, replace the *** with the usual URL beginning and then add "dubya dubya dubya" "dot" goo "dot" gl & forward slash
@MrTralyalya One last link before I log off for the day. Arabs are allowed move freely throughout Israeli settlements, many work IN Israeli settlements (no, not as indentured servants) and many ENJOY working there because of the increased pay!
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It's in arabic so throw it into Google Translate and enjoy the read! ;)
@MrTralyalya The presence of the IDF in the West Bank has not seemed to impede the PA's ability to issue laws to the Palestinians rather than them coming from Israel, including the law stating that sale of WB land to a Jew carries a death sentence. Arabs in Israel can buy & sell as much property as they want
the problem is unequal right to Jews and Arabs in Israel . Palestinian territories are treated differently from the Israel . They claim that Judea and Samaria is Israel , when it suits settlers , but Arab population of Palestine does not have any rights at all (they don't have Israeli citizenship although they live in this land for many generations).
Only Jews are allowed to move freely in Israel and Occupied territories. If this is not as bad as it could be - does not make it good !!!
@MrTralyalya Palestinian Arabs dont have equal rights with Israelis because theyre governed by the Palestinian Authority,not by the Government of Israel.
Jews arent allowed move freely in the territories, thats why you never see any in cities like Ramallah & Bethlehem.The PA's dream to expel every last Jew from a would-be Palestinian state compared with the civil liberties Israeli Arabs (living in Israel proper) enjoy pretty much states exactly WHICH side wants to enforce apartheid
@PsycoSyd Checkpoints in Palestine are put by IDF and not Palestinian police. If this territory is governed by PA , why do Israelis are building there ?
No one with any authority said that Jews will be expelled in case that PA will get independence. Why do you think PA's dream to expel every last Jew from a would-be Palestinian state ? (Of course there are individuals who want to kill jews , but the same is true for Jews , unfortunately )
@MrTralyalya Checkpoints are established by the IDF because they are the military presence in the West Bank, the political presence comes in the form of the Palestinian Authority, there is a difference.I wouldnt call the PLO's representative nobody in authority by the way. She is a representative of everything the PA stands for and she is stating to the worlds remaining superpower that "it would be in the best interest of the two people to be separated".
@PsycoSyd What power does political presence have,if there are army forces everywhere that control access to cities and movement of people ? "two people to be separated" means,that there should be 2 states for people.One with Jewish majority and another one with Arab majority. Most Israelis would agree , that separation (peaceful separation) is the best solution.There is too much hatred between many Arabs and Jews. It's not the best solution , but it is more practical one.
Nearly every anti-Zionist/Pro-"Palestinian" is just like that bear who was protesting Israel. People need to get educated. Palestinians are the aggressors and the Israelis act in self-defense. If you don't believe me, go on frontpagemag dotcom
@channel12a1 Since there's only one version of the truth, I tend to believe someone who was a known operative at a very high level in the Jewish and Zionist power structures, who afterwards became a Jewish defector -- in contrast to Jewish and Zionist sympathizers who can only refute someone's claims by resorting to smear words and enacting laws to censor speech. I've also done much research on the subject and it wholly concurs with Freedman's assertions.
@channel12a1 I'm no bible-thumper but I often find much truth and moral value in Christian scripture, including the 10 Commandments, Psalms and passages like John 8:44, one of the many dealing with the subject of lying. Basically it speaks of those who sought to kill Christ and how they were possessed with the Devil and his desires and lusts. A former Judaic theologist, who has since rejected the religion, explains the scripture's significance: The Myth Of The Chosen People - Brother Nathanael
Tell that to the Palestinians who exist in Ashkenazi prison camps and have to go through checkpoints to travel within their own homeland. The only thing this video proves is that it was created by a so-called jew and a LIAR!
"Christians have been duped by the unholiest hoax in all history, by so-called Jews. This is considered their most effective weapon." - Benjamin Freedman
"Ye are of your father the Devil. He is a liar and the father of it."
First it makes a long list of small differences between South Africa and Israel, as if that was proof in itself that Israel is not applying apartheid policies to Palestinians.
Then it goes on to justify the separation wall by listing countries that also have walls, such as US border wall with Mexico. Is this a joke? The Israeli separation wall is illegal and makes life impossible for Palestinians, whereas the US-Mexican wall is legal and does not limit Mexican life.
The Israeli security fence is perfectly legal. The only thing that isn't legal is the ICJ (international court of justice). The ICJ is different from the ICC (international criminal court), the ICJ has judges appointed by China, their decisions must be approved by the Chinese regime. Therefore the ICJ decision that Israel's security fence is illegal is just bullshit.
@cafeturkie I find it incredible to what lengths some people twist reality for it to fit their racist ideology. Since the ICJ (founded in 1945 and accepted internationally by everyone except by dictators) demands that Israel abide by international law, you simply decide that the ICJ must be at fault, instead of accepting that Israel is seriously at fault.
The separation (apartheid) wall is illegal and immoral, in that it runs on top of Palestinian land and has destroyed Palestinina houses.
@cafeturkie Well, it is much better to repeat yourself than to lie. Your comment was simply a misrepresentation of reality in order to justify your racist and apartheid views.
@cafeturkie That's exactly my point: you and the Israeli state are fascists because you revise history and misrepresent reality to make it fit with your own racist ideology.
So within a couple of comments you've reduced this to 'I know you are but what am I?'
Israelis revising history? LOL
This from a man who has favourited George Galloway, Noam Chomsky and Norman Finklestein videos, none of whom can be classed as pro-democracy in any way shape or form...!
@cafeturkie You are wrong. They all favour democracy. It becomes immediately clear to me that you have not read any of these authors and are basing your facts on the distorted pictures given by radical pro-Israelis.
And yes, Israelis have constantly revised history. An example: For many decades Israeli school text books did not mention the ethnic cleansing and massacres of 1948. Luckily things are changing and some Israelis like the great historian Ilan Pappe are uncovering the truth.
Lol none of them support democracy, only tyrannies and terrorists. Finky, Noam and Galloway have all been to support tyrants and mass murderers. You have read in their books (as I have) that they support democracy and 'justice' and you believe them!
Pappé's no different. Plan D, which Pappé continually mentions in that book of his was nothing more than intelligence gathering, just like the British did with the Jews. Standard military practice.
@cafeturkie You are clearly biased and you have certainly not read Chomsky. I have most of Chomsky's books here at home, have been reading him for many years, so I know very well that he has always supported democracy. Of course, radical Zionists might want to make you believe that he does not. And they have an ongoing smear campaign against him. I recommend that you read him.
Also, Pappe is widely recognised as one of the best Israeli historians. Do read him or watch him speak in a video.
"You are clearly biased and you have certainly not read Chomsky." Bwahahaha
Is that the best you can do after 'all these years of reading?' C'mon, really now you know you're seriously out of your depth.
Chomsky advocates a one state solution based on Lebanon and Yugoslavia...! Do you know what happened to those two countries? I think you do, as well as Chompsky. Which is why he advocates it for the Jewish State. Democracy? LOL Fascism.
@cafeturkie You state "Chomsky advocates a one state solution". This is patently untrue. So it just proves you have never read a single book by Chomsky. Chomsky has always advocated a two-state solution. If instead of reading slander pamphlets on Chomsky you would just read his work in his own words, you would discover an intelligent, democratic, decent human being who analyses the Israel-Palestine conflict with clarity and in depth.
The question is whether you are capable of reading him.
"just read his work in his own words, you would discover an intelligent, democratic, decent human being who analyses the Israel-Palestine conflict with clarity and in depth"
Google: "Chomsky: I’ve been for one-state all my life, but we need two states first" The article contains a link to video of Chomsky saying it himself.
This is in keeping with the PLOs 1974 Phased Plan, the ultimate aim is civil war/genocide as we saw in Lebanon and Yugoslavia.
@cafeturkie Regarding one-state / two-state: You are referring to a signle interview on Democracy Now where Chomsky refers to his position pre-1976, meaning before there was a clear two-state settlement on the table. In any case, there is not much difference between one state and two states, so I don't know what your obsession is about.
What I can say is that your conclusion about the ultimate aim of a one-state solution being a civil war sounds like a cranky theory created by some nutter.
Ah, you mean you can't defend what the dishonest Chomsky said so you have to dishonestly defend him with word-play.
This is what I mean, you're defending Islamic terrorism. Civil war theory created by some nutter? Yeah, read the koran. Read the communist manifesto. Those are the real nutters. The followers are just the idiots.
What on earth are you on about? All I was saying was that a one-state solution is a perfectly valid solution and that it does not imply your insane theory about a civil war or a genocide. A one-state solution, for those who support it, just means everybody living pacefully in one state. So what's the big deal?
And the Koran and Communist Manifesto have no relation whatsoever to this discussion or to the Palestine question. So why do you even mention these things?
So let me get this right. Are you really so stupid to think that we don't know what you're talking about in calling for a one state solution like Chomsky does, based on Yugoslavia and Lebanon?!
You continually call Jews are Nazis here and on my page now, therefore with Nazis you're under no obligation to accept anything a Nazi says; Nazis are the benchmark for evil in the world and the only thing they deserve is to be wiped out. Have I got it so far?
No, you have not "got it" so far. You don't seem to be even capable of "getting it".
Nobody has the intention of "wiping out" Israel. All we're saying is that Israel is treading the same path as the Germans did during the 1930s, so they will have to be stopped before they become 100% nazis. This does NOT mean wiping Israelis out. It means peacefully converting Israel into a democratic state that respects international law. Get it now? Or do I have to repeat it?
And regarding the one-state solution, it is just as valid a solution as a two-state solution. The aim is PEACE. So if you have a better solution for a peace that is just, then express it. But your solution I'm sure is the racist solution of exterminating all Palestinians, since you believe they are all terrorists and subhuman. Just look at yourself in the mirror you Goebbels.
I don't care how 'widely recognised' Pappé is, after all the reading you've done, all your wisdom, all your knowledge, you still can't answer my claim that Plan D was not a plan for ethnic cleansing by the Zionists, it was merely an intelligence gathering operation, which the British also did with the Jews. It's standard military practice.
The books you've read contain no factual information. If they did, you'd be able to answer my accusations.
@cafeturkie You state "The books you've read contain no factual information. If they did, you'd be able to answer my accusations". This is manipulative logic at its best. You derive the conclusion that the Pappe's books do not contain any factual information from the fact that in my previous post I did not address a point you made regarding a Plan D. You are lowering the discussion to moronic levels.
By the way, it is clear you have neither read Pappe. You have only googled him.
Hi! Lol you still asking for more?? Okay, why are you wasting so much space dedicated to nonsense instead of addressing the issues, professor? Is it because you can't?
...and you accuse me of reducing the debate to 'moronic levels'.
Plan D. D'you know anything about Plan D? It's repeatedly mentioned throughout Pappé's diatribe of a book. Of course, if you'd read his book you'd know what I was talking about.
@cafeturkie I'm not going to go into the discussion of whether Plan D was a blueprint for ethnic cleansing or not, as you have proven you are not interested in any sort of intelligent debate.
What I will say, though, is that ethnic cleansing did take place. Zionist jews did rape, murder, expel, steal land from the Palestinian population. A total of 750,000 Palestinians were expelled, some of them murdered. Even a radical pro-Israeli historian like Benny Morris concedes this is true.
You know it gets really boring when you continue using the same tactic over and over again.
You state "I'm not going to go into the discussion ...as you have proven you are not interested in any sort of intelligent debate."
Then you do yourself what you accuse me of, by avoiding debate because you have no answers and go back to square one again making your original, baseless, accusation.
Plan D was intelligence gathering done by the Jews, to learn what weapons, how many men, the Arabs had. This is standard military practice. The British gathered intel on the Jews. No one is suggesting the British planned to ethnically cleanse the Jews...
This has been done by all armies in any conflict. It's standard military procedure. Any army in history that didn't have intel on an enemy was at a serious disadvantage.
@cafeturkie Regarding Plan D, the Jewish forces were instructed to cleanse Palestinian areas. Each of the Haganah's brigades received a list of villages it had to occupy and destroy. In what twisted way can you interpret this as "gathering intelligence"? International law considers this an crime against humanity, the same as the crimes committed by the Nazis.
If you cannot accept these basic proven facts, it is obvious you are being brainwashed by propaganda.
Of course you're not going to discuss the issues, first off because you don't know any of the issues, you're just repeating propaganda you've read in Chomsky's diatribes; second, you're not interested in facts that get in the way of your march towards your utopian worldview.
Unfortunately, your mindset is not without precedent. It is all too evident in the 20th century's worst regimes, from Cuba to Cambodia.
@cafeturkie Regarding your absurd post about propaganda and facts, all I can say is that I am only interested in facts. I'm not interested in ideology and I am not an easy victim of propaganda efforts, so in the case of Israel I am looking only at proven facts, not at the unproven ones and not at propaganda. And I can say the picture is grim. I do hope one day there will be a Nurenberg trial for Israeli crimes. Future textbooks will picture the Israeli state as a repetition of Nazi Germany.
@PowerLude No. You should not wish for an apartheid state like Israel to live long. Israel should become a real democracy that respects human rights and abides by international law. Until it does, we should not chant "long live Israel", but rather "Israel, stop killing and torturing innocent civilians and committing war crimes".
No, ignoring the many violations of international law by Hamas, Fatah, PIJ and all others, and then supporting their propaganda campaign is what encourages them.
Just in the same way you ignore reality, you revise history, in order to legitimize your agenda, just as all totalitarians and fascists have done before you.
@cafeturkie I have never supported any propaganda by Hamas or Fatah or PIJ or any radical group. And I do not ignore the violations by any of these groups. On the contrary: I criticise them. But the fact is that there is no point of comparison. Israeli crimes are far worse both in numbers and in brutality. Israel should face a criminal court. IDF soldiers should be tried and punished.
Luckily many ex-IDF soldiers are now breaking the silence and speaking out and admitting to war crimes.
@cafeturkie The Israeli organisation B'Tselem supports all these claims of Israeli brutality with figures. Ex-IDF soldiers support these views and can document you through the organisation Breaking the Silence. Israeli historians, intellectuals and citizens support these views. You seem to be in a minority of radical racists who only swallow extremist racist propaganda and supremacist views. And I see you have uploaded extremely racist videos by LatmaTV, which is worrying.
B'Tselem?!!?!?! You really walked right into that one didn't you?
*Sigh* all the NGOs you cite have had their funding sources exposed. They're funded by EU and US tax payers money, as well as a variety of state sponsors of terrorism. This all came out a year ago with Israel's NGO funding law. You really haven't done any h/w have you?
As for 'intellectuals' we've already named names, and you can't answer anything I say. Your attempts to impress fail!
@cafeturkie Regarding your post on B'Tselem, if this is your reaction to one of the most respected Israeli organisations, then all I can say is that you must be some sort of radical and it will indeed be difficult to maintain any sort of logical or intelligent discussion with you. Radicals are very difficult to deal with, be they Islamic fundamentalists or radical Zionists like yourself. So I feel I am wasting my time.
The same point. Israel is not an apartheid nation. Makes me wonder why people don't protest the way women are treated in the Arab Nations; or why a person who converts from Islam to another faith can receive the Death Penalty. . .
@compaydavid Why are you comparing oranges with apples? Does the fact of an injustice in another land justify Israel's apartheid policies in Palestine? No. The same way the Rwanda massacre could not be justified by mentioning another massacre in another part of the world.
Just face it: Israel is an apartheid state. Experts from South Africa analysed the situation in Israel and came to the conclusion that it was an apartheid state. The report is public, so you can read it if you want.
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
I think people are just jack of Israel trying to solve its Palestine problem in the same dumbass way for the last, what? 50 years now: Violence. Yup, there are alot of problems with terrorism, but Israel has 95% of the power and the constant repeats of the same things over and over again is just getting old
@jimboblordofeskimos thing is, thousands of rockets struck southern Israel since the beginning of the millenium, all coming from gaza(Hamas)
thousands more from Lebanon in the north.(Hezbollah)
and they do not attack military targets, they attack towns like Sderot and Beer Sheva
imagine Mexico firing a missile into the US, not one, not 10, not 100, not even 1000, more than 10,000 missiles over the years, you'd think the US would stand silent?
Do not even try comparing the wall between USA and Mexico to Israel and Palestine. Mexico is a sovereign nation and the wall isn't shutting off Mexico's access to the outside world. USA built wall to slow down flow of illegal immigration, just as Mexico has its own policies of handling illegal immigration and Mexico is far less tolerant of illegals into their country., Mexico is under Mexican rule, Palestine is under Israeli military occupation.
'Palestine' was where all the dinosaurs used to live until a great big Zionist meteorite came and wiped them out. It's true! I read it in an Arab historian's history book :P
@tmpq1lzy 10k tons of school supplies, food, and meds. Not only were two of the ships sabotaged before launch, probably by the Mossad, but also, even when attacked in international waters by Israeli forces, the seamen retaliated with nothing but dinner plates and cutlery. Yet 9 were still killed mercilessly, in INTERNATIONAL waters, without a hint of protest from the U.S.
begged to treat them medically and they said: "allah will take care of us we refuse to be treatened by IDF soldiers". so IDF couldn't even treat them medically after THEY attacked. some of the IDF soldiers were lynched and stabbed and still didn't want to use their weapons not even their paintball guns. then, the "passengers" took away their weapons and started to shoot at them (with THEIR OWN paintballs)
but you don't stop for a second to check your info (at other sources other than bbc?) the truth is Israel supplied million tons of food and other goods and medical eq. to gaza during the last 10 years.
and the truth is that all that ship's intention was to deliver weaponary to Hamas terrorists. the soldiers on the ship shot PAINTBALLS(!!) while being stabbed to death they had to protect themselves. one terrorist shot some sort of a mild granade at them. then the IDF asked (begged)
What a fking bullshit .. We block these flotillas cuz they don't give them aid, They give them ammo and rifles and bombs - to blowup themseleves around jews . What a shit, We got pictures and videos that show ammo, knifes and loads of ak's in the flotilla - "Peace activists" !
@NNov1996 Israel did not exist as a country till 1948!
Before that it was an Arab nation called Palestine! This single fact proves that Israel has no right to declare Palestine as THEIR country.This besides all the murders Israel still commits.Its true they gave them Gaza and the west bank,but the whole country isnt theirs to begin with!And even tho they claim that Gaza is independent Israels kill daily Palestinians in Gaza and the west bank!
@lloris44 ever heard of a province? a province is a territory of a country or an empire, that's what Palestine was. It was also a province of the roman empire after the romans re-named it palestine to disconnect it from the jews. Israel on the other hand has been a kingdom twice and there is archaeological evidence to prove this true. Also the word Palestinian was originally used to refer to a group called Phillistines, who weren't even arab.
@zitalee2 Thanks for the history lesson,but before the Phillistines yes The Jews were in Palestine,but they were ARAB jews,and they shared their land with the Canaanites who were arabs, so the original pple of Palestine were Arab Pagans and Jews,ARABS!
The Jews that are in Palestine now are the result of the Balfour Declaration of 1917 cuz of it the Jews of europe were transported to the ENGLISH occupied ARAB Palestine,the Jews in Palestine are EUROPEANS! not Arabs!
@lloris44 how many european jews do you expect there to have been after the holocaust? exactly, there weren't very many, and actually there's a HUGE arab jew population in israel, because once israel was established every other arab nation kicked the jewish citizens out of their homes and those people were absorbed into israel, that's why you never hear about jewish refugee camps. 850,000 jews were expelled from their homes.
@lloris44 01. Canaanites were NOT Arabs, genius; they come from either Crete or Cyprus; Arabs come from (what is today Saudi) ARABIA, genius and Arabs came to the region in 638 AD on their way to conquer what is today, Mauritania, 5,000 kms. away; any Berber, Copt, Nubian, Phoenician, Assyrian and/or Chaldean can tell you this; they're all SICK AND TIRED of Arab Colonialism.
@SatchmoSings WTF?this is bs!go study history,Canaanites came from Saudi Arabia thats well known!And we arabs have been existing for a looooooooong time before most civilizations,and no,Assyrians and Chaldean live with us peacefully,Come to Syria after the uprisings over and see for urself! If u have personal issues wid us,dnt assume everyone does.
@lloris44 02, The Jews that are now in Palestine are as a result of the modern Zionist movement started in the late 1890s/early 1900s by Theodor Herzl; the OTTOMAN TURKS LET IN THE ZIONISTS AND LET THEM BUY LAND THERE.
The Europeans of the day insisted that Jews were NOT Europeans, but alien Semites, you idiot; you only NOW want to insist that we ARE "white Europeans" because you just hate us; DNA says differently but you'll ignore that 'cause you're a bigoted shithead.
@SatchmoSings I didnt say any DNA or hate or white shit so dont start ur bull shit at me,in Syria we live wid Jews peacefully,they have the same rights as Muslims and Christians,but In Palestine thats clearly not the case.
@SatchmoSings The currency was the Palestinian Dinar.
U should know that Palestine was part of great Syria,now Syria,Lebanon,Jordan and Palestine,all great Syria was under Roman occupation,than Ottoman occupation,and then got divided between France and England,look up the Sykes–Picot Agreement where freat Syria was divided,Syria,Lebanon beat France,Jordan got freed from England,but The englsih decided cuz of the Balfour Declaration of 1917 that pored a second occupation on Palestine.
@SatchmoSings continued..so Palestine didnt have a chance to defeat England like their neighbors,cuz it was subjected to the for-mentioned zionist declaration,if u want leaders,look before ww2 and ww1, considered that Palestine was part of Great Syria,so whoever ruled great Syria ruled over Palestine,so for example,Djemal Pasha ruled palestine in the times of da ottomans,so each time period had many leaders,ARab history is very long and complicated,but its clear!
@SatchmoSings Please shut the fuck up you racist clown. You're only reinforcing the point that most people who blindly support Israel are racist tools with anger issues.
@newjack31622 Yes, I'm the racist; your support of the Muslim world where 10,000,000 Muslims have killed each other since 1950 (with no one giving a shit, least of all you) makes me a racist.
@SatchmoSings Obviously. "the muslim world"? Huh? Your need to make it about "the whole muslim world" when I criticized Israel speaks volumes about your racist tendencies. As if opposition to Israel and its brutal policies somehow means I support the Egyptian government or any other Arab/Muslim government. Its ridiculous but typical coming from a racist tool like you. You see all Muslims as essentially the same. I don't see all jews the way you see all Muslims. You're a racist.
@SatchmoSings Also hypocritical internet pussy boy "tough guy", if you're going to complain about being called an ape and then turn right around and do it yourself it makes you look fucking retarded. Try again racist bitch boy.
@DarkprinX2500 Okay, so you're pro-Arab where Jews are called Apes and Pigs and you're in favor of Hamas throwing 6000 rockets into Israel and having, as part of their charter, the claim that it is necessary to kill every Jew on earth; that's what you're into.
@SatchmoSings this is false.. their are many jewish people against the zionist state.. and you should also know that Israel lobbies in the US.. which they have absolutely no right.. these zionists are the biggest warmongers... why can't they leave the world alone.. it's by their wishes that the US has invaded and destroyed so many countries .. your spin will not work here
@DarkprinX2500 Foreign countries of all kind lobby in the United States and the number of Jewish people who are against Zionism is, at most, 5%
Go read the Wikipedia article "Pakistani lobby in the United States;" it's pretty disgusting the way Pakistan lobbies in the US to start all kinds of wars and trying to wreck US relations with India; Stephen Payne is the Number One paid for and hired US Lobbyist on behalf of Pakistan; he's gotten aid to Pakistan in the Billions of dollars
@SatchmoSings Yeah, those damn Pakistanis who made us fight a war in Iraq for them and lose thousands of US soldiers on their behalf. Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and the other Pakistani firsters.....Oh wait, that was Israel, you retarded, racist clown. You're a fucking joke little boy.
Pack up all your belongings and go live in Dar-Al-Islam (Land Conquered by Muslims)
Choose your country: Pakistan, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Egypt, etc
What a beautiful life is waiting for you there!; no Jewish lobby, no Zionist occupied governments; a True PARADISE!
You will be living in a wonderful world of extreme poverty, starvation, disease, violence and "respect for human rights." (That's why tons of Muslims come to The West)
@SatchmoSings Oh wait, I see that you're actually 57 and not 17 like I suspected. You're a bitter old man who "takes on the left" like a brainwashed partisan dickbag. Hilarious. And pathetic. Get a real life you old piece of shit.
@newjack31622 Until I made your acquaintance, I didn't think it possible for a person to sexually assault themselves; I now know that self-ass rape is most definitely a reality.
@SatchmoSings Thanks for reinforcing the point that most poeple who blindly support Israel are disgusting racist tools. You're still an old piece of shit with no life.
With those like you around, that sounds pretty good to me.
And by the way, I don't hate Arabs, I just hate the 22 Arab governments and their colonialism over Berbers, Copts, Nubians, Phoenicians, Assyrians and Chaldeans; Arabs come from Arabia; they should all go back there.
@SatchmoSings arab colonialism .. you must be joking.. first of all .. all those you mentioned are religious sects.. you can be arab and not be a muslim.. dummy.. if you don't like religious muslim countries.. then you should focus your hate on Saudi Arabia a key US ally.. i never hear much criticism of them in the US/Zionist media though ...hmm i wonder why. no muslim government is more oppressive than that sharia state.. the only colonialists right now are these european jews
@DarkprinX2500 Arab Muslims are a NATION; any basic history book on Arabs has made this point for at least the last 160 years; if you wish to say differently, please go ahead to continue to look like the fool you are.
Muslim Arabs even have an association for all the countries they've conquered; it's called "The Arab League."
@SatchmoSings what's your point..that doesn't make the arabs colonialists. your the one looking like an idiot.. their is nothing wrong with the Arabs having an Arab League. why not .. the US and Israel have NATO the UN and EU .. so why the hell not. i for one admire leaders like Ahmadinejad these are true leaders who oppose nuclear weapons.. these leaders don't bend over and let the IMF and western oil tycoons to leach off their oil.. Netanyahu is just a balloon filled with hot air
@SatchmoSings they have the right to be there.. they didn't force their way in.. they didn't invade with their armies and destroy that country .. and getting to your point about the Arab world being oil rich .. it's funny you mention that .. most arab states are ruled by puppets that are put in place by the West and Israel and AIPAC.. they give their oil to their companies.. .. not to their own people...
@DarkprinX2500 So you're telling me that Arabs have THE RIGHT to be in the LANDS of Berbers, Copts, Nubians, Phoencians, Assyrians and Chaldeans but Jews don't have the right to be in Palestine.
Arabs didn't invade coming out of the Arabian Peninsula? To deny that is pretty sick; Arab conquest this way started in 638 AD; tell me where the "dividing line" in history is for this.
I've never yet seen an Arab oil Sheikh just "give" his oil to a Western-puppet company.
@SatchmoSings Israeli parliament are hypocrites .. and warmongers.. you have no right to come into US lobby and infiltrate the government.. the US government now serves zionist interests.. this is Israel's misdeeds at work
@DarkprinX2500 The portion of the Arab world that is oil-rich earns more money each year than the trade surpluses of The People's Republic of China and they have been essentially earning this money since 1974.
I would think that by now they would have enough money to not only get the US Congress to "shrug off" AIPAC but to also gain the overall sympathy of the American Public as well.
@DarkprinX2500 It is Arab Colonialism; Berber is actually a racist Arab word; Berbers don't call themselves "Berbers."
Even if many of these people are mere "religious sects" the Muslim Arab has no business treating these people like such crap, which, of course, you will deny.
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i protest all theistic states. full grown adults that cling to mythology as though it were reality are anything but people worthy of respect. some refer to belief without evidence as faith when it actually describes gullibility. the jewish invasion of palestine was illegal ethically but also even under the british mandate that supposedly authorized the jewish invasion. i would NOT call for death to israel because they're not all zionists; however, death to zionism would be excellent :D
@jhdillingerjr Obviously you have never protested Great Britain which is legally an Anglican State and all taxpaying Britons have to, as part of their taxes, support this church; you're only interested in bitching about Israel.
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Get a broader dialogue on the various arguments against Israel. 15 videos in the "I hate Israel" series dealing with double standards and hypocrisy as well as incomplete knowledge. Start with
@lloris44 Fortunately, for now, Arabs now have two governments that the citizens do love that I will still hate; Libya (no JEWS, not Israelis, no JEWS allowed) and Egypt which will soon have a government where women and Copts will not have the same civil rights as Arab Muslim men.
@SatchmoSings No,The whole point of the Egyptian uprising was to overthrow Mubarak,Itll take some time to get goin again,but i know Egyptians and they dnt want civil wars and more problems.And after they killed Ghadaffi thank god,they now allow Jews in Libya.Anf no the citizens dont like the discrimination,we live with Jews peacefully,side by side.And thats a fact.
LOL! Well let’s see why wouldnt i protest against Israel?? hmmm maybe because they killed 2 thousand people in 2008 in Gaza in only one month! Maybe because they build a separation wall that stops Palestinians from going to most of Palestine! Maybe because they created a check point between every single city! And created a big cage for all the Palestinians they control water food and petrol in Palestine! they kill children and Torture Palestinians every day!
Only three out of thirteen parties (and 11 out of 120 members) in the Knesset can be considered to represent Arab views, one of which is predominately Jewish.
afroninja515 12 hours ago
this video is false in eveyway. Arab parties in israel dont mean shit. israel cant be both a democracy and a jewish state.
gobuddyboy 2 days ago
@gobuddyboy Yes it can. Israel is only known as a jewish state because jews are the majority, but its government is secular. America is known as a christian country, but it is a democratic republic.
timmcgrw4 1 day ago
@timmcgrw4 There's nothing in the American constitution that states that USA is a Christian country... lucky Jewish Americans!... But the Israeli constitution states that Israel is a Jewish state, so the others are really Israeli? Of course Israel will tolerate them inside as long as they are a powerless minority. But Israel also rules over large portions of land outside its borders and the ppl there don't have any rights in Israel. So, it's fair to say that Israel is not a democracy.
ConOBri 1 day ago
@ConOBri small correction,no wait,two correction
first,there's no israeli constitution(funny,isn't it?they only have some few essential laws wich act as constitution.they wanted to make one,but the day after they declared independance they got busy,and we know the rest),second,it is jewish in the sense of ethnicity,nor religion
israel has big amounts of atheists and agnostics who,anyway,are ethnic jews and identify themselves as jews.
maybe it's better to start using the term (continue)
valeagathon 1 day ago
@ConOBri "jew"to refer to the follower of a religion,and "hebrew"to identify the ethnicity wich mostly practices judaism.
we would make a lot of mental order,would we?
valeagathon 1 day ago
@ConOBri No your wrong. It is a democracy. My father is an Arab Israeli and my entire family lives in Israel and they live a wonderful life, with full equal rights, and have members in the Knesset as well. And they do not "tolerate," they welcome them to participate.
timmcgrw4 1 day ago 6
God bless Israel and the Jewish people.
AcePilot101 3 days ago
@MrTralyalya @MrTralyalya You're interpretation of what "separated" means might have made sense if we weren't talking about an authority that repeatedly praises "martyrs" who shed Jewish blood (but only in the Arabic media so that the west doesn't hear it). Sadly though, we are. Most Israelis get on well with their Arab neighbours in Tel-Aviv Jaffa and Haifa and vice versa.
PsycoSyd 6 days ago
@PsycoSyd that was said by PA officials. they did not endorse any terrorist acts. In fact , there were no terror attacks from the territories for long time (hopefully this will continue to be true), but settlements continued to be build , new territories were added to Jerusalem to make matter worse for the time of leaving that territories. Because just mentioning , division of Jerusalem will ignite religious Jews all over the world.
MrTralyalya 5 days ago
@MrTralyalya We're not discussing terrorism & settlements.Theres plenty of time to debate both.What we're dealing with is the question of apartheid & how its baselessly applied to Israel.Im not sure how youre apologising for the seperation remark by saying it came from PA officials.If anything that should confirm which side endorses true apartheid.You can dress it up in as much apologetic verbal effluvia as you like but it doesnt change the underlying tone of the message
PsycoSyd 5 days ago
@MrTralyalya Also, how do you account for the death penalty being applied to those who sell land to people of another race, namely the Jews? Surely that should ring bells with those who know their history...
PsycoSyd 5 days ago
@PsycoSyd Where are you taking your info from ? Any sources ?
There is separation between Jews in Occupied territories and Arabs and this territories are under Israel's control . You can call whatever you want , but it is damn close to apartheid . I did not say there is apartheid in Israel proper. (Sent you more detailed description)
MrTralyalya 4 days ago
@MrTralyalya Sources about the death penalty? Absolutely Here are some links:
***kro2i,***wAJL2, ***ja4d5, ***h3UGw These media companies are usually considered to hold a sympathetic view to the Palestinian cause by the way
PsycoSyd 4 days ago
@MrTralyalya To open the links - because YouTube wont allow them in comments - replace the *** with the usual URL beginning and then add "dubya dubya dubya" "dot" goo "dot" gl & forward slash
PsycoSyd 4 days ago
@MrTralyalya Here is a link which illustrates how the PA have confirmed this law does exist and it is enforced because they do not want Jews in their midst. Apartheid! ***O4mKb
As before, replace the *** with the usual URL beginning and then add "dubya dubya dubya" "dot" goo "dot" gl & forward slash
PsycoSyd 4 days ago
@MrTralyalya One last link before I log off for the day. Arabs are allowed move freely throughout Israeli settlements, many work IN Israeli settlements (no, not as indentured servants) and many ENJOY working there because of the increased pay!
***ILYkT
It's in arabic so throw it into Google Translate and enjoy the read! ;)
PsycoSyd 4 days ago
@MrTralyalya The presence of the IDF in the West Bank has not seemed to impede the PA's ability to issue laws to the Palestinians rather than them coming from Israel, including the law stating that sale of WB land to a Jew carries a death sentence. Arabs in Israel can buy & sell as much property as they want
PsycoSyd 6 days ago
the problem is unequal right to Jews and Arabs in Israel . Palestinian territories are treated differently from the Israel . They claim that Judea and Samaria is Israel , when it suits settlers , but Arab population of Palestine does not have any rights at all (they don't have Israeli citizenship although they live in this land for many generations).
Only Jews are allowed to move freely in Israel and Occupied territories. If this is not as bad as it could be - does not make it good !!!
MrTralyalya 1 week ago
@MrTralyalya Palestinian Arabs dont have equal rights with Israelis because theyre governed by the Palestinian Authority,not by the Government of Israel.
Jews arent allowed move freely in the territories, thats why you never see any in cities like Ramallah & Bethlehem.The PA's dream to expel every last Jew from a would-be Palestinian state compared with the civil liberties Israeli Arabs (living in Israel proper) enjoy pretty much states exactly WHICH side wants to enforce apartheid
PsycoSyd 1 week ago 10
@PsycoSyd Checkpoints in Palestine are put by IDF and not Palestinian police. If this territory is governed by PA , why do Israelis are building there ?
No one with any authority said that Jews will be expelled in case that PA will get independence. Why do you think PA's dream to expel every last Jew from a would-be Palestinian state ? (Of course there are individuals who want to kill jews , but the same is true for Jews , unfortunately )
MrTralyalya 1 week ago
@MrTralyalya Checkpoints are established by the IDF because they are the military presence in the West Bank, the political presence comes in the form of the Palestinian Authority, there is a difference.I wouldnt call the PLO's representative nobody in authority by the way. She is a representative of everything the PA stands for and she is stating to the worlds remaining superpower that "it would be in the best interest of the two people to be separated".
PsycoSyd 6 days ago
@PsycoSyd What power does political presence have,if there are army forces everywhere that control access to cities and movement of people ? "two people to be separated" means,that there should be 2 states for people.One with Jewish majority and another one with Arab majority. Most Israelis would agree , that separation (peaceful separation) is the best solution.There is too much hatred between many Arabs and Jews. It's not the best solution , but it is more practical one.
MrTralyalya 6 days ago
@MrTralyalya *he* not she
PsycoSyd 6 days ago
Nearly every anti-Zionist/Pro-"Palestinian" is just like that bear who was protesting Israel. People need to get educated. Palestinians are the aggressors and the Israelis act in self-defense. If you don't believe me, go on frontpagemag dotcom
glenned816 1 week ago
For 100''s of years this country was called Palestine, there lived Palestians.
kerstmisification 2 weeks ago
@channel12a1 Since there's only one version of the truth, I tend to believe someone who was a known operative at a very high level in the Jewish and Zionist power structures, who afterwards became a Jewish defector -- in contrast to Jewish and Zionist sympathizers who can only refute someone's claims by resorting to smear words and enacting laws to censor speech. I've also done much research on the subject and it wholly concurs with Freedman's assertions.
CitizenRaisingCain 2 weeks ago
@channel12a1 I'm no bible-thumper but I often find much truth and moral value in Christian scripture, including the 10 Commandments, Psalms and passages like John 8:44, one of the many dealing with the subject of lying. Basically it speaks of those who sought to kill Christ and how they were possessed with the Devil and his desires and lusts. A former Judaic theologist, who has since rejected the religion, explains the scripture's significance: The Myth Of The Chosen People - Brother Nathanael
CitizenRaisingCain 2 weeks ago
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its time the Jewish start demanding a state in EACH country they are a minority in.
in Saudi Arabia the Jews were before the arabs - by the Arab logic - they are occupied there and should get a state.
+"Palestine" is how the Romans called the JEWISH state.
tmpq1lzy 2 weeks ago
"I proved Israel is not an apartheid state."
Tell that to the Palestinians who exist in Ashkenazi prison camps and have to go through checkpoints to travel within their own homeland. The only thing this video proves is that it was created by a so-called jew and a LIAR!
"Christians have been duped by the unholiest hoax in all history, by so-called Jews. This is considered their most effective weapon." - Benjamin Freedman
"Ye are of your father the Devil. He is a liar and the father of it."
CitizenRaisingCain 3 weeks ago
@CitizenRaisingCain Freedman doesn't necessarily represent the truth. And please explain your bible quote in it's context.
channel12a1 3 weeks ago
@CitizenRaisingCain
They want war, they get war. Own fault,
Muhammedloveskids 2 weeks ago
I agreed with the video in its totality!
DC
compaydavid 3 weeks ago
What a manipulative video.
First it makes a long list of small differences between South Africa and Israel, as if that was proof in itself that Israel is not applying apartheid policies to Palestinians.
Then it goes on to justify the separation wall by listing countries that also have walls, such as US border wall with Mexico. Is this a joke? The Israeli separation wall is illegal and makes life impossible for Palestinians, whereas the US-Mexican wall is legal and does not limit Mexican life.
palimpsestransparent 4 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
LOL one born every minute...
The Israeli security fence is perfectly legal. The only thing that isn't legal is the ICJ (international court of justice). The ICJ is different from the ICC (international criminal court), the ICJ has judges appointed by China, their decisions must be approved by the Chinese regime. Therefore the ICJ decision that Israel's security fence is illegal is just bullshit.
cafeturkie 4 weeks ago
@cafeturkie I find it incredible to what lengths some people twist reality for it to fit their racist ideology. Since the ICJ (founded in 1945 and accepted internationally by everyone except by dictators) demands that Israel abide by international law, you simply decide that the ICJ must be at fault, instead of accepting that Israel is seriously at fault.
The separation (apartheid) wall is illegal and immoral, in that it runs on top of Palestinian land and has destroyed Palestinina houses.
palimpsestransparent 4 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
Nice speech which contains no content. Simply rephrasing your comment doesn't make it any more true no matter how many times you repeat it.
cafeturkie 4 weeks ago
@cafeturkie Well, it is much better to repeat yourself than to lie. Your comment was simply a misrepresentation of reality in order to justify your racist and apartheid views.
palimpsestransparent 4 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
"Well, it is much better to repeat yourself than to lie."
But you're doing both. You're really not very good at this sort of thing are you?
Let me give you more reality, revising history for political purposes is one of several key elements of fascism.
cafeturkie 4 weeks ago
@cafeturkie That's exactly my point: you and the Israeli state are fascists because you revise history and misrepresent reality to make it fit with your own racist ideology.
palimpsestransparent 4 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
So within a couple of comments you've reduced this to 'I know you are but what am I?'
Israelis revising history? LOL
This from a man who has favourited George Galloway, Noam Chomsky and Norman Finklestein videos, none of whom can be classed as pro-democracy in any way shape or form...!
cafeturkie 4 weeks ago
@cafeturkie You are wrong. They all favour democracy. It becomes immediately clear to me that you have not read any of these authors and are basing your facts on the distorted pictures given by radical pro-Israelis.
And yes, Israelis have constantly revised history. An example: For many decades Israeli school text books did not mention the ethnic cleansing and massacres of 1948. Luckily things are changing and some Israelis like the great historian Ilan Pappe are uncovering the truth.
palimpsestransparent 4 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
Lol none of them support democracy, only tyrannies and terrorists. Finky, Noam and Galloway have all been to support tyrants and mass murderers. You have read in their books (as I have) that they support democracy and 'justice' and you believe them!
Pappé's no different. Plan D, which Pappé continually mentions in that book of his was nothing more than intelligence gathering, just like the British did with the Jews. Standard military practice.
cafeturkie 4 weeks ago
@cafeturkie You are clearly biased and you have certainly not read Chomsky. I have most of Chomsky's books here at home, have been reading him for many years, so I know very well that he has always supported democracy. Of course, radical Zionists might want to make you believe that he does not. And they have an ongoing smear campaign against him. I recommend that you read him.
Also, Pappe is widely recognised as one of the best Israeli historians. Do read him or watch him speak in a video.
palimpsestransparent 4 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
"You are clearly biased and you have certainly not read Chomsky." Bwahahaha
Is that the best you can do after 'all these years of reading?' C'mon, really now you know you're seriously out of your depth.
Chomsky advocates a one state solution based on Lebanon and Yugoslavia...! Do you know what happened to those two countries? I think you do, as well as Chompsky. Which is why he advocates it for the Jewish State. Democracy? LOL Fascism.
cafeturkie 4 weeks ago
@cafeturkie You state "Chomsky advocates a one state solution". This is patently untrue. So it just proves you have never read a single book by Chomsky. Chomsky has always advocated a two-state solution. If instead of reading slander pamphlets on Chomsky you would just read his work in his own words, you would discover an intelligent, democratic, decent human being who analyses the Israel-Palestine conflict with clarity and in depth.
The question is whether you are capable of reading him.
palimpsestransparent 3 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
"just read his work in his own words, you would discover an intelligent, democratic, decent human being who analyses the Israel-Palestine conflict with clarity and in depth"
Google: "Chomsky: I’ve been for one-state all my life, but we need two states first" The article contains a link to video of Chomsky saying it himself.
This is in keeping with the PLOs 1974 Phased Plan, the ultimate aim is civil war/genocide as we saw in Lebanon and Yugoslavia.
cafeturkie 3 weeks ago
@cafeturkie Regarding one-state / two-state: You are referring to a signle interview on Democracy Now where Chomsky refers to his position pre-1976, meaning before there was a clear two-state settlement on the table. In any case, there is not much difference between one state and two states, so I don't know what your obsession is about.
What I can say is that your conclusion about the ultimate aim of a one-state solution being a civil war sounds like a cranky theory created by some nutter.
palimpsestransparent 3 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
Ah, you mean you can't defend what the dishonest Chomsky said so you have to dishonestly defend him with word-play.
This is what I mean, you're defending Islamic terrorism. Civil war theory created by some nutter? Yeah, read the koran. Read the communist manifesto. Those are the real nutters. The followers are just the idiots.
cafeturkie 2 weeks ago
@cafeturkie
What on earth are you on about? All I was saying was that a one-state solution is a perfectly valid solution and that it does not imply your insane theory about a civil war or a genocide. A one-state solution, for those who support it, just means everybody living pacefully in one state. So what's the big deal?
And the Koran and Communist Manifesto have no relation whatsoever to this discussion or to the Palestine question. So why do you even mention these things?
palimpsestransparent 2 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
So let me get this right. Are you really so stupid to think that we don't know what you're talking about in calling for a one state solution like Chomsky does, based on Yugoslavia and Lebanon?!
You continually call Jews are Nazis here and on my page now, therefore with Nazis you're under no obligation to accept anything a Nazi says; Nazis are the benchmark for evil in the world and the only thing they deserve is to be wiped out. Have I got it so far?
cafeturkie 1 week ago
@cafeturkie
No, you have not "got it" so far. You don't seem to be even capable of "getting it".
Nobody has the intention of "wiping out" Israel. All we're saying is that Israel is treading the same path as the Germans did during the 1930s, so they will have to be stopped before they become 100% nazis. This does NOT mean wiping Israelis out. It means peacefully converting Israel into a democratic state that respects international law. Get it now? Or do I have to repeat it?
palimpsestransparent 1 week ago
@cafeturkie
And regarding the one-state solution, it is just as valid a solution as a two-state solution. The aim is PEACE. So if you have a better solution for a peace that is just, then express it. But your solution I'm sure is the racist solution of exterminating all Palestinians, since you believe they are all terrorists and subhuman. Just look at yourself in the mirror you Goebbels.
palimpsestransparent 1 week ago
@palimpsestransparent
Thank you, this exchange has been very informative and just one more piece of evidence to reinforce my views.
cafeturkie 1 week ago
@cafeturkie
Good, I'm glad you finally "got it"
palimpsestransparent 1 week ago
@palimpsestransparent
I don't care how 'widely recognised' Pappé is, after all the reading you've done, all your wisdom, all your knowledge, you still can't answer my claim that Plan D was not a plan for ethnic cleansing by the Zionists, it was merely an intelligence gathering operation, which the British also did with the Jews. It's standard military practice.
The books you've read contain no factual information. If they did, you'd be able to answer my accusations.
cafeturkie 4 weeks ago
@cafeturkie You state "The books you've read contain no factual information. If they did, you'd be able to answer my accusations". This is manipulative logic at its best. You derive the conclusion that the Pappe's books do not contain any factual information from the fact that in my previous post I did not address a point you made regarding a Plan D. You are lowering the discussion to moronic levels.
By the way, it is clear you have neither read Pappe. You have only googled him.
palimpsestransparent 3 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
Hi! Lol you still asking for more?? Okay, why are you wasting so much space dedicated to nonsense instead of addressing the issues, professor? Is it because you can't?
...and you accuse me of reducing the debate to 'moronic levels'.
Plan D. D'you know anything about Plan D? It's repeatedly mentioned throughout Pappé's diatribe of a book. Of course, if you'd read his book you'd know what I was talking about.
Eagerly awaiting your reply :0)
cafeturkie 3 weeks ago
@cafeturkie I'm not going to go into the discussion of whether Plan D was a blueprint for ethnic cleansing or not, as you have proven you are not interested in any sort of intelligent debate.
What I will say, though, is that ethnic cleansing did take place. Zionist jews did rape, murder, expel, steal land from the Palestinian population. A total of 750,000 Palestinians were expelled, some of them murdered. Even a radical pro-Israeli historian like Benny Morris concedes this is true.
palimpsestransparent 3 weeks ago
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@palimpsestransparent
You know it gets really boring when you continue using the same tactic over and over again.
You state "I'm not going to go into the discussion ...as you have proven you are not interested in any sort of intelligent debate."
Then you do yourself what you accuse me of, by avoiding debate because you have no answers and go back to square one again making your original, baseless, accusation.
Zionism is the best; socialism is fascism.
cafeturkie 3 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
Plan D was intelligence gathering done by the Jews, to learn what weapons, how many men, the Arabs had. This is standard military practice. The British gathered intel on the Jews. No one is suggesting the British planned to ethnically cleanse the Jews...
This has been done by all armies in any conflict. It's standard military procedure. Any army in history that didn't have intel on an enemy was at a serious disadvantage.
cafeturkie 3 weeks ago
@cafeturkie Regarding Plan D, the Jewish forces were instructed to cleanse Palestinian areas. Each of the Haganah's brigades received a list of villages it had to occupy and destroy. In what twisted way can you interpret this as "gathering intelligence"? International law considers this an crime against humanity, the same as the crimes committed by the Nazis.
If you cannot accept these basic proven facts, it is obvious you are being brainwashed by propaganda.
palimpsestransparent 3 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
Of course you're not going to discuss the issues, first off because you don't know any of the issues, you're just repeating propaganda you've read in Chomsky's diatribes; second, you're not interested in facts that get in the way of your march towards your utopian worldview.
Unfortunately, your mindset is not without precedent. It is all too evident in the 20th century's worst regimes, from Cuba to Cambodia.
cafeturkie 3 weeks ago
@cafeturkie Regarding your absurd post about propaganda and facts, all I can say is that I am only interested in facts. I'm not interested in ideology and I am not an easy victim of propaganda efforts, so in the case of Israel I am looking only at proven facts, not at the unproven ones and not at propaganda. And I can say the picture is grim. I do hope one day there will be a Nurenberg trial for Israeli crimes. Future textbooks will picture the Israeli state as a repetition of Nazi Germany.
palimpsestransparent 3 weeks ago
long live israel! :-D
PowerLude 1 month ago 2
@PowerLude No. You should not wish for an apartheid state like Israel to live long. Israel should become a real democracy that respects human rights and abides by international law. Until it does, we should not chant "long live Israel", but rather "Israel, stop killing and torturing innocent civilians and committing war crimes".
palimpsestransparent 4 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
No, ignoring the many violations of international law by Hamas, Fatah, PIJ and all others, and then supporting their propaganda campaign is what encourages them.
Just in the same way you ignore reality, you revise history, in order to legitimize your agenda, just as all totalitarians and fascists have done before you.
cafeturkie 4 weeks ago
@cafeturkie I have never supported any propaganda by Hamas or Fatah or PIJ or any radical group. And I do not ignore the violations by any of these groups. On the contrary: I criticise them. But the fact is that there is no point of comparison. Israeli crimes are far worse both in numbers and in brutality. Israel should face a criminal court. IDF soldiers should be tried and punished.
Luckily many ex-IDF soldiers are now breaking the silence and speaking out and admitting to war crimes.
palimpsestransparent 4 weeks ago
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@palimpsestransparent
"I have never supported any propaganda by Hamas or Fatah or PIJ or any radical group."
Sounds exactly like the kind of nonsensical denial George Galloway would engage in!
"Israeli crimes are far worse both in numbers and in brutality."
Straight out of a Hamas press release LOL
Any facts or issues you'd care to quote to back up your baseless allegation?
cafeturkie 4 weeks ago
@cafeturkie The Israeli organisation B'Tselem supports all these claims of Israeli brutality with figures. Ex-IDF soldiers support these views and can document you through the organisation Breaking the Silence. Israeli historians, intellectuals and citizens support these views. You seem to be in a minority of radical racists who only swallow extremist racist propaganda and supremacist views. And I see you have uploaded extremely racist videos by LatmaTV, which is worrying.
palimpsestransparent 4 weeks ago
@palimpsestransparent
B'Tselem?!!?!?! You really walked right into that one didn't you?
*Sigh* all the NGOs you cite have had their funding sources exposed. They're funded by EU and US tax payers money, as well as a variety of state sponsors of terrorism. This all came out a year ago with Israel's NGO funding law. You really haven't done any h/w have you?
As for 'intellectuals' we've already named names, and you can't answer anything I say. Your attempts to impress fail!
cafeturkie 4 weeks ago
@cafeturkie Regarding your post on B'Tselem, if this is your reaction to one of the most respected Israeli organisations, then all I can say is that you must be some sort of radical and it will indeed be difficult to maintain any sort of logical or intelligent discussion with you. Radicals are very difficult to deal with, be they Islamic fundamentalists or radical Zionists like yourself. So I feel I am wasting my time.
palimpsestransparent 3 weeks ago
@PowerLude fuck israel and jews!
MisterBezad 1 week ago
The same point. Israel is not an apartheid nation. Makes me wonder why people don't protest the way women are treated in the Arab Nations; or why a person who converts from Islam to another faith can receive the Death Penalty. . .
compaydavid 1 month ago
@compaydavid Why are you comparing oranges with apples? Does the fact of an injustice in another land justify Israel's apartheid policies in Palestine? No. The same way the Rwanda massacre could not be justified by mentioning another massacre in another part of the world.
Just face it: Israel is an apartheid state. Experts from South Africa analysed the situation in Israel and came to the conclusion that it was an apartheid state. The report is public, so you can read it if you want.
palimpsestransparent 3 weeks ago
FUCK ISRAEL!!!! VIVA PALESTINE!!!!
MrBacheafghan 1 month ago
The same point repeated for 4 minutes? That Israel isn't quite as bad as apartheid South Africa when it comes to racial bigotry.
The EU isn't actually Soviet or Nazi, that doesn't mean it isn't more like those states than people expect to move "forward" into.
BlackPawedLion 1 month ago
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
fltmike 1 month ago
No, they were not allowed
Royee1001 1 month ago
Owned!
tijgertjem 1 month ago
I think people are just jack of Israel trying to solve its Palestine problem in the same dumbass way for the last, what? 50 years now: Violence. Yup, there are alot of problems with terrorism, but Israel has 95% of the power and the constant repeats of the same things over and over again is just getting old
jimboblordofeskimos 1 month ago
@jimboblordofeskimos The world wont let Israel to do anything.
If a Palestinian blows him self up in Israel and kill Israelies Israel can do much without
being attacked by the rest of the world.
The Israelies did build a wal-fence to protect them selfs and look how the world is screaming about the apartheid wall.
Nobody is raising hell about other country's walls or fences.
After 2000 years of killing Jews, Israel should say, the hell
to the world and wipe out the westbank and gaza.
mamzer1930 1 month ago
@jimboblordofeskimos thing is, thousands of rockets struck southern Israel since the beginning of the millenium, all coming from gaza(Hamas)
thousands more from Lebanon in the north.(Hezbollah)
and they do not attack military targets, they attack towns like Sderot and Beer Sheva
imagine Mexico firing a missile into the US, not one, not 10, not 100, not even 1000, more than 10,000 missiles over the years, you'd think the US would stand silent?
Israel has a right to defend itself.
sronsr 1 month ago
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@jimboblordofeskimos here's something for you:
en (DOT) wikipedia (DOT) org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel
sronsr 1 month ago
Do not even try comparing the wall between USA and Mexico to Israel and Palestine. Mexico is a sovereign nation and the wall isn't shutting off Mexico's access to the outside world. USA built wall to slow down flow of illegal immigration, just as Mexico has its own policies of handling illegal immigration and Mexico is far less tolerant of illegals into their country., Mexico is under Mexican rule, Palestine is under Israeli military occupation.
kublaikhan35 1 month ago
@kublaikhan35 What is a Palestine? never heard of such state
BL00DeMoN 1 month ago 17
@BL00DeMoN
'Palestine' was where all the dinosaurs used to live until a great big Zionist meteorite came and wiped them out. It's true! I read it in an Arab historian's history book :P
Watch it on Latma :D
cafeturkie 4 weeks ago
@BL00DeMoN Maybe because you are in the process of destroying it?
upuup 2 weeks ago
@BL00DeMoN Maybe you should start reading history books.
msalsahaf 2 weeks ago
@kublaikhan35 Your right, but there are no Mecican suicide bombers coming over.
What would you think we would do?
There is no Palestine to occupy, after 1949 there were 3 countries in that area, Jordan Israel and Egypt..
After Jordan and Egypt pulled back from there occupation, there was only disputed
land left, not a Palestine, no Palestinian Goverment. no Palestinian Army, no Palestinian radio or news paper or Palestinian money.
mamzer1930 1 month ago
LIES. Israel blocked the international aid flotillas.
komrad36 1 month ago
@komrad36
aid?? are you for real? the amount of weaponary that was on the Flotilla was enough to make the ship pro-Israel..
tmpq1lzy 1 month ago
@tmpq1lzy 10k tons of school supplies, food, and meds. Not only were two of the ships sabotaged before launch, probably by the Mossad, but also, even when attacked in international waters by Israeli forces, the seamen retaliated with nothing but dinner plates and cutlery. Yet 9 were still killed mercilessly, in INTERNATIONAL waters, without a hint of protest from the U.S.
bbc [dot] co [dot] uk/news/10203726
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continue (read the other first:)
begged to treat them medically and they said: "allah will take care of us we refuse to be treatened by IDF soldiers". so IDF couldn't even treat them medically after THEY attacked. some of the IDF soldiers were lynched and stabbed and still didn't want to use their weapons not even their paintball guns. then, the "passengers" took away their weapons and started to shoot at them (with THEIR OWN paintballs)
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@komrad36
but you don't stop for a second to check your info (at other sources other than bbc?) the truth is Israel supplied million tons of food and other goods and medical eq. to gaza during the last 10 years.
and the truth is that all that ship's intention was to deliver weaponary to Hamas terrorists. the soldiers on the ship shot PAINTBALLS(!!) while being stabbed to death they had to protect themselves. one terrorist shot some sort of a mild granade at them. then the IDF asked (begged)
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What a fking bullshit .. We block these flotillas cuz they don't give them aid, They give them ammo and rifles and bombs - to blowup themseleves around jews . What a shit, We got pictures and videos that show ammo, knifes and loads of ak's in the flotilla - "Peace activists" !
HotIsraelisGirls 1 month ago
This video is Zionist propaganda.
MsTeefly 1 month ago 2
@MsTeefly Yet, there is nothing incorrect about it.
Or are you being BAFFLED BY THE FACTS?
boereriem 1 month ago
I don't know what to believe now ..
App2587 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@App2587 Try believing the truth; it's called being "intellectually honest."
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
Israelis are Zionist flesh eating fiends!!!!
The uploader is an idiot, he thinks cuz he programmed a lame convo its sounds real? og common!
lloris44 1 month ago
@lloris44 why do you say this sir?
NNov1996 1 month ago
@NNov1996 Israel did not exist as a country till 1948!
Before that it was an Arab nation called Palestine! This single fact proves that Israel has no right to declare Palestine as THEIR country.This besides all the murders Israel still commits.Its true they gave them Gaza and the west bank,but the whole country isnt theirs to begin with!And even tho they claim that Gaza is independent Israels kill daily Palestinians in Gaza and the west bank!
lloris44 1 month ago
@lloris44 ever heard of a province? a province is a territory of a country or an empire, that's what Palestine was. It was also a province of the roman empire after the romans re-named it palestine to disconnect it from the jews. Israel on the other hand has been a kingdom twice and there is archaeological evidence to prove this true. Also the word Palestinian was originally used to refer to a group called Phillistines, who weren't even arab.
zitalee2 1 month ago
@zitalee2 Thanks for the history lesson,but before the Phillistines yes The Jews were in Palestine,but they were ARAB jews,and they shared their land with the Canaanites who were arabs, so the original pple of Palestine were Arab Pagans and Jews,ARABS!
The Jews that are in Palestine now are the result of the Balfour Declaration of 1917 cuz of it the Jews of europe were transported to the ENGLISH occupied ARAB Palestine,the Jews in Palestine are EUROPEANS! not Arabs!
lloris44 1 month ago
@lloris44 how many european jews do you expect there to have been after the holocaust? exactly, there weren't very many, and actually there's a HUGE arab jew population in israel, because once israel was established every other arab nation kicked the jewish citizens out of their homes and those people were absorbed into israel, that's why you never hear about jewish refugee camps. 850,000 jews were expelled from their homes.
zitalee2 1 month ago
@lloris44 01. Canaanites were NOT Arabs, genius; they come from either Crete or Cyprus; Arabs come from (what is today Saudi) ARABIA, genius and Arabs came to the region in 638 AD on their way to conquer what is today, Mauritania, 5,000 kms. away; any Berber, Copt, Nubian, Phoenician, Assyrian and/or Chaldean can tell you this; they're all SICK AND TIRED of Arab Colonialism.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings WTF?this is bs!go study history,Canaanites came from Saudi Arabia thats well known!And we arabs have been existing for a looooooooong time before most civilizations,and no,Assyrians and Chaldean live with us peacefully,Come to Syria after the uprisings over and see for urself! If u have personal issues wid us,dnt assume everyone does.
lloris44 1 month ago
@lloris44 You can now give me something to "Google" concerning where Canaanites come from; you somehow neglected to do that; they were NOT Arabs.
Arabs came to the region starting in 638 AD, on their way to conquering Mauritania, 5,000 kms. to the West.
Of course Assyrians and Chaledeans live peacefully in Syria; if they weren't peaceful, you Muslim-Arabs would start in killing them!!!
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@lloris44 02, The Jews that are now in Palestine are as a result of the modern Zionist movement started in the late 1890s/early 1900s by Theodor Herzl; the OTTOMAN TURKS LET IN THE ZIONISTS AND LET THEM BUY LAND THERE.
The Europeans of the day insisted that Jews were NOT Europeans, but alien Semites, you idiot; you only NOW want to insist that we ARE "white Europeans" because you just hate us; DNA says differently but you'll ignore that 'cause you're a bigoted shithead.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings I didnt say any DNA or hate or white shit so dont start ur bull shit at me,in Syria we live wid Jews peacefully,they have the same rights as Muslims and Christians,but In Palestine thats clearly not the case.
lloris44 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings The English let the Jews in by the Balfour Declaration of 1917!
NOT the Turks,basic history,ur deluded!
lloris44 1 month ago
@zitalee2 When u want to use History, use all of it,look up the Balfour Declaration of 1917 on wiki!
lloris44 1 month ago
@lloris44 Tell me about this Arab nation called "Palestine."
Tell me the name of some of its rulers, its capital and its unit of currency and about its governmental structure.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings The currency was the Palestinian Dinar.
U should know that Palestine was part of great Syria,now Syria,Lebanon,Jordan and Palestine,all great Syria was under Roman occupation,than Ottoman occupation,and then got divided between France and England,look up the Sykes–Picot Agreement where freat Syria was divided,Syria,Lebanon beat France,Jordan got freed from England,but The englsih decided cuz of the Balfour Declaration of 1917 that pored a second occupation on Palestine.
lloris44 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings continued..so Palestine didnt have a chance to defeat England like their neighbors,cuz it was subjected to the for-mentioned zionist declaration,if u want leaders,look before ww2 and ww1, considered that Palestine was part of Great Syria,so whoever ruled great Syria ruled over Palestine,so for example,Djemal Pasha ruled palestine in the times of da ottomans,so each time period had many leaders,ARab history is very long and complicated,but its clear!
lloris44 1 month ago
@lloris44 I would suppose this means you're pleased over how many of his own people Syria's Assad has killed.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
Wow! An arab on the Israeli Supreme Court huh? How much you wanna bet hes not a muslim? This video is a major fail.
newjack31622 1 month ago
@newjack31622 He's a Muslim, moron; you've got the internet; too bad you're such a lame shithead not to check this out for yourself, you filthy ape.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings Please shut the fuck up you racist clown. You're only reinforcing the point that most people who blindly support Israel are racist tools with anger issues.
newjack31622 1 month ago
@newjack31622 Yes, I'm the racist; your support of the Muslim world where 10,000,000 Muslims have killed each other since 1950 (with no one giving a shit, least of all you) makes me a racist.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings Obviously. "the muslim world"? Huh? Your need to make it about "the whole muslim world" when I criticized Israel speaks volumes about your racist tendencies. As if opposition to Israel and its brutal policies somehow means I support the Egyptian government or any other Arab/Muslim government. Its ridiculous but typical coming from a racist tool like you. You see all Muslims as essentially the same. I don't see all jews the way you see all Muslims. You're a racist.
newjack31622 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings Also hypocritical internet pussy boy "tough guy", if you're going to complain about being called an ape and then turn right around and do it yourself it makes you look fucking retarded. Try again racist bitch boy.
newjack31622 1 month ago
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fuck this pro zionist piece of shit video
DarkprinX2500 2 months ago
@DarkprinX2500 Okay, so you're pro-Arab where Jews are called Apes and Pigs and you're in favor of Hamas throwing 6000 rockets into Israel and having, as part of their charter, the claim that it is necessary to kill every Jew on earth; that's what you're into.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings here is the problem with your assumption.. i have nothing against jews.. but zionists are the farthest thing from jew..
DarkprinX2500 1 month ago
@DarkprinX2500 By definition Jews are Zionist.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings this is false.. their are many jewish people against the zionist state.. and you should also know that Israel lobbies in the US.. which they have absolutely no right.. these zionists are the biggest warmongers... why can't they leave the world alone.. it's by their wishes that the US has invaded and destroyed so many countries .. your spin will not work here
DarkprinX2500 1 month ago
@DarkprinX2500 Foreign countries of all kind lobby in the United States and the number of Jewish people who are against Zionism is, at most, 5%
Go read the Wikipedia article "Pakistani lobby in the United States;" it's pretty disgusting the way Pakistan lobbies in the US to start all kinds of wars and trying to wreck US relations with India; Stephen Payne is the Number One paid for and hired US Lobbyist on behalf of Pakistan; he's gotten aid to Pakistan in the Billions of dollars
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings Yeah, those damn Pakistanis who made us fight a war in Iraq for them and lose thousands of US soldiers on their behalf. Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and the other Pakistani firsters.....Oh wait, that was Israel, you retarded, racist clown. You're a fucking joke little boy.
newjack31622 1 month ago
@newjack31622
Pack up all your belongings and go live in Dar-Al-Islam (Land Conquered by Muslims)
Choose your country: Pakistan, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Egypt, etc
What a beautiful life is waiting for you there!; no Jewish lobby, no Zionist occupied governments; a True PARADISE!
You will be living in a wonderful world of extreme poverty, starvation, disease, violence and "respect for human rights." (That's why tons of Muslims come to The West)
What are you waiting for; Move now!
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings Oh wait, I see that you're actually 57 and not 17 like I suspected. You're a bitter old man who "takes on the left" like a brainwashed partisan dickbag. Hilarious. And pathetic. Get a real life you old piece of shit.
newjack31622 1 month ago
@newjack31622 Until I made your acquaintance, I didn't think it possible for a person to sexually assault themselves; I now know that self-ass rape is most definitely a reality.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings Thanks for reinforcing the point that most poeple who blindly support Israel are disgusting racist tools. You're still an old piece of shit with no life.
newjack31622 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings zionists use jewry as a scapegoat..
DarkprinX2500 1 month ago
@DarkprinX2500 Zionists use Jewry as a scapegoat?
With those like you around, that sounds pretty good to me.
And by the way, I don't hate Arabs, I just hate the 22 Arab governments and their colonialism over Berbers, Copts, Nubians, Phoenicians, Assyrians and Chaldeans; Arabs come from Arabia; they should all go back there.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings arab colonialism .. you must be joking.. first of all .. all those you mentioned are religious sects.. you can be arab and not be a muslim.. dummy.. if you don't like religious muslim countries.. then you should focus your hate on Saudi Arabia a key US ally.. i never hear much criticism of them in the US/Zionist media though ...hmm i wonder why. no muslim government is more oppressive than that sharia state.. the only colonialists right now are these european jews
DarkprinX2500 1 month ago
@DarkprinX2500 Arab Muslims are a NATION; any basic history book on Arabs has made this point for at least the last 160 years; if you wish to say differently, please go ahead to continue to look like the fool you are.
Muslim Arabs even have an association for all the countries they've conquered; it's called "The Arab League."
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings what's your point..that doesn't make the arabs colonialists. your the one looking like an idiot.. their is nothing wrong with the Arabs having an Arab League. why not .. the US and Israel have NATO the UN and EU .. so why the hell not. i for one admire leaders like Ahmadinejad these are true leaders who oppose nuclear weapons.. these leaders don't bend over and let the IMF and western oil tycoons to leach off their oil.. Netanyahu is just a balloon filled with hot air
DarkprinX2500 1 month ago
@DarkprinX2500 Arabs are from Arabia; what the fuck are they doing in Mauritania, 5,000 kms. away; THEY DON'T BELONG THERE.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings they have the right to be there.. they didn't force their way in.. they didn't invade with their armies and destroy that country .. and getting to your point about the Arab world being oil rich .. it's funny you mention that .. most arab states are ruled by puppets that are put in place by the West and Israel and AIPAC.. they give their oil to their companies.. .. not to their own people...
DarkprinX2500 1 month ago
@DarkprinX2500 So you're telling me that Arabs have THE RIGHT to be in the LANDS of Berbers, Copts, Nubians, Phoencians, Assyrians and Chaldeans but Jews don't have the right to be in Palestine.
Arabs didn't invade coming out of the Arabian Peninsula? To deny that is pretty sick; Arab conquest this way started in 638 AD; tell me where the "dividing line" in history is for this.
I've never yet seen an Arab oil Sheikh just "give" his oil to a Western-puppet company.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings Israeli parliament are hypocrites .. and warmongers.. you have no right to come into US lobby and infiltrate the government.. the US government now serves zionist interests.. this is Israel's misdeeds at work
DarkprinX2500 1 month ago
@DarkprinX2500 The portion of the Arab world that is oil-rich earns more money each year than the trade surpluses of The People's Republic of China and they have been essentially earning this money since 1974.
I would think that by now they would have enough money to not only get the US Congress to "shrug off" AIPAC but to also gain the overall sympathy of the American Public as well.
But, they haven't.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@DarkprinX2500 It is Arab Colonialism; Berber is actually a racist Arab word; Berbers don't call themselves "Berbers."
Even if many of these people are mere "religious sects" the Muslim Arab has no business treating these people like such crap, which, of course, you will deny.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
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i protest all theistic states. full grown adults that cling to mythology as though it were reality are anything but people worthy of respect. some refer to belief without evidence as faith when it actually describes gullibility. the jewish invasion of palestine was illegal ethically but also even under the british mandate that supposedly authorized the jewish invasion. i would NOT call for death to israel because they're not all zionists; however, death to zionism would be excellent :D
jhdillingerjr 2 months ago
@jhdillingerjr Obviously you have never protested Great Britain which is legally an Anglican State and all taxpaying Britons have to, as part of their taxes, support this church; you're only interested in bitching about Israel.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
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Get a broader dialogue on the various arguments against Israel. 15 videos in the "I hate Israel" series dealing with double standards and hypocrisy as well as incomplete knowledge. Start with
I hate Israel - Racism
I hate Israel - Assassinations
Al-Assad hypocrisy - Israel and Syria
and if you want o really understand more
I hate Israel - Right of Return
I hate Israel - Zionism
and all of the others
firstonethrough 2 months ago
@firstonethrough I don't hate Arabs; I just hate the 22 Arab countries.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings If ur saying u hate ARab governments,then most arabs hate theit govs too.
lloris44 1 month ago
@lloris44 Fortunately, for now, Arabs now have two governments that the citizens do love that I will still hate; Libya (no JEWS, not Israelis, no JEWS allowed) and Egypt which will soon have a government where women and Copts will not have the same civil rights as Arab Muslim men.
SatchmoSings 1 month ago
@SatchmoSings No,The whole point of the Egyptian uprising was to overthrow Mubarak,Itll take some time to get goin again,but i know Egyptians and they dnt want civil wars and more problems.And after they killed Ghadaffi thank god,they now allow Jews in Libya.Anf no the citizens dont like the discrimination,we live with Jews peacefully,side by side.And thats a fact.
lloris44 1 month ago
why protest against israel? because israel is too good, very comfortable to hate israel.
hoeryong 2 months ago
LOL! Well let’s see why wouldnt i protest against Israel?? hmmm maybe because they killed 2 thousand people in 2008 in Gaza in only one month! Maybe because they build a separation wall that stops Palestinians from going to most of Palestine! Maybe because they created a check point between every single city! And created a big cage for all the Palestinians they control water food and petrol in Palestine! they kill children and Torture Palestinians every day!
heallyrose 2 months ago 3
@heallyrose 2 thousand people killed in Gaza in 2008? Really? Interesting. Can you provide the source for that please?
ErikPaulsonFan 1 month ago
@ErikPaulsonFan Were u under a rock or somtn?look up operation hot winter!
IT was all over the news!
lloris44 1 month ago
@lloris44 I just did. It lists 112 Palestinians killed. You wrote "2000 people killed." You multiplied the death toll by 17 times.
Would you like to admit you're full of shit now, or are you going to continue spreading your hysterical lies like a lunatic?
ErikPaulsonFan 1 month ago