David Icke is really at a so much higher level of knowledge and wisdom than that idiot
The reason why those particular people beleive in conspiracy is probably because they have time to think about shit, instead of being a normal TV/working slave who dont think too much.
And the statistics used to make such claims were probably biased
Would you people who laugh at conspiracy theories support a FALSE FLAG PROHIBITION ACT as follows:
making it a high felony for any US official, citizen, agent, operative or ally, to: plan, conspire, orchestrate, commit, counsel, conceal, exploit or knowingly place wrongful blame on any event or occurrence, intended to generate fear over the general population, or as a pretext to engage in: (1) hostile conflict, in or with foreign countries, and/or (2), loss of civil rights to the US population.
People are quick to discredit anything that might be labled a "conspiracy theory," yet they won't do any research and see for themselves. They want to be ignorant.
Do we get to put him in a mental institution when the truth does come out that twin towers, WTC building 7 and the 7/7 london attacks were done by mossad :).
Get Dr Alan Sabrowski to go round his house and the Architects who demand an investigation.
People uncapable of critical thinking, might as well stay asleep if you think what is going on around you is normal. Carry on eating dog food, while us conspiracy proofers eat normal food we deserve and not some inbred select group
These people who further their 9/11 "NOBLE LIES" piss on the graves of the 3000 souls burned alive on 9/11, by discrediting those of us who have accepted the harsh reality a criminal element w/i all 3 branches of USGov orchestrated 9/11, and the subsequent cover-up that has followed.
@Jazziggady Actually, we don't put these disinfo scumbags in a mental institution, we hang them for treason. Their role here in this ongoing crime is to obstruct justice in a mass murder investigation.
These losers will FALSELY tell you USA can't keep secrets.
USA does a GREAT job at keeping BIG things top secret among hundreds of thousands of people. MANHATTAN PROJECT.
Manhattan project employed over 175,000 people for a period of over 4 years and maintained secrecy to the extent USA won WWII.
Operation GLADIO, CIA butchered thousands of innocent people in a series of false flag terrorist events throughout Europe blamed on communist extremists, kept secret for 40 years
In sum, USA is very good at keeping things secret; so good in fact, it should surprise no one that something like 9/11 has been kept secret as a false flag operation.
@dpetrano Building a bomb to end the war, and to get ahead of the opposition, was carried out by groups, who would not have known about end product. The engineers who built the device, would be the only people in the know. Each case id different.The West is a target for many groups, and they will suceed at times, as they evolve the means to slip past security, 9/11 was such an event, there will be other attempts, and sucesses. Cant comment on anticommunist GLADIO.
exactly! ffs no i wont look at the evidence but ill attempt to smash it. you pussies. if your scared go be scared, dont mess with information.. GREAT POST TY!!
What a twerp this shrink is. It's as though he inhabits some detached thought realm. What goes on in these peoples heads? How much uni did that take. Icke was on to him from the start. A joke. I'm surprised he wasn't outright pissed off with French for wasting a good part of his day.
Theres a psychological trick at work that convinces people elements in and behind govt "DONT" conspire. You cant have it both ways. History shows us power conspiring time after time after time. Even if your version of history is the Bible Jesus was crucified through a conspiracy. Its the fundamental nature of how the rulers clings to power. And its being going on a long time. Anyone who denies that as conspiracy theory and possibility of current conspiracy is the real fucking loon!!
3:24 LMAO! David's so streetwise and totally right here.. the guy just keeps enforcing his opinion while he hasn't read any of David's books! Of course David dismisses any further discussion.. you can only share with a mind that's open!
I recommend any one who is willing to research this topic with a critical thinking mind to read William Blum's Rogue State and also to listen to Myron C Fagan's long speech on 'secret govts', which was btw recorded in 1967. You can find that on youtube.
@wearechangenorwich YW. I find it unbelievable when people say; "Are you crazy, you actually think people in suits sit around in a room plotting things?" Well duhhhhh, you don't actually think they're sitting outside on a park bench or a carousel do ya? Anyways, for those who have a phobia in believing that bad people do exist and shit does tend to float to the top - listen to Myron C Fagan who said it very well in 1967. Also JFK and Dwight Eisenhower for that matter. The list goes on and on.
Why is it so hard to believe serious people who have repeatedly warned us that powerful ruling elites are out to dominate “the masses?” Did we think Dwight Eisenhower was exaggerating when he warned of the extreme “danger” to democracy of “the military industrial complex?” - MIchael Hasty
Erm, has anybody here ever even investigated the psychology behind conspiracy theorists...? E-mail me and I'll provide you with the studies. Cognitive dissonance at its best.
I dont think that Chris French won. I think David Icke lost it entirely by himself.
I did not say that Icke was not used to being criticized. Quote me correctly please! I said he is not used to being challenged that way. Up front and directly on his evidence. He is used to talks where he is preaching to an adoring choir and writing books that he can refer to as his circular evidence.
You said "He's not used to being challenged that way" its not a "quote" - I wrote 'not used to being criticized in this way' - which he is. If you read what I wrote it is the same meaning, one synonym different.
Being challenged "up front and directly on his evidence" never happened, it's impossible given French hasn't actually read any of Ickes books. French's opinion is built on NOT reading the evidence, it is uninformed faith based preaching to a massive audience, including school children.
Your statement of Icke being challenged "up front and directly on his evidence", indicates you are deaf, or consciously ignoring the fact that French stated he has not read any of Ickes evidence, nor did he even attempt to challenge one single piece of evidence.
Either you didn't watch the video, your stupid, or you watched it selectively to fit your own "version of reality" [to quote this pop propaganda].
Interesting, you could come away from this video and feel that Chris French won the day. You see what you want to see, French was obviously overwhelmed, floundering and stuttering.. aside from this, French very clearly lost his argument by himself, I even pointed out French's failures in the annotations!
Also, I find it curious you think Icke is 'not used to being criticized in this way' when he was the most criticized, most ridiculed man in the entire country for years. Your very wrong, again
Although French may have been unprepared, what's so difficult about providing evidence on Icke's part? There's a reason none of the top scientists of Britain and the US take him seriously.
All the Psychologists ive met were screwed up as anyone one else some were bat shit crazy, though most were good people that want to help,it was all about the benjamins theres is a good paying gig,psychology is bullshit this guys a ponce.
@ocarina2boy I'm sorry did you have a real point to make? We should listen to musicians not scientists? The scientific method is "establishment crap"? John Lennon was a talented musician, but that doesn't give him credibility towards anything else... You also must realize that the internet through which we are interacting is a product of people who went to "stupid school"....
Sept11 (9/11)9+1+1=11.Sept11 is the 254day of the year,2+5+4=11.Aftersept11the number of days to the end of the year 111.Area code to Iraq/iran is 119.1+1+9=11.Twin towers resemble 11. First plane to hit the tower was flight 11.State of New york is the 11th state added to the union.New york city ,11 letters.The pentagon 11letters,Afghanistan 11letters. Flight 11-92 on board 9+2=11.Flight 77-65 on board 6+5=11. Coincidence? or a knowledge of numerology.
To all the ostriches out there with their head in the sand, williamginsa, thespartian et all, " If you cant be bothered to make the enquirey then listen to those of us who have" as the philosopher Arthur Findlay said.
@permaveg except you only make the inquiry if it agrees with your pre-disposed opinion, all of you claims are either EASILY falsifiable, or irrelevant. Instead of composing some witty retort take an hour or so and look at the claims you are making, browse the google device and see if your claims are falsifiable. try to be as objective as you all keep asking me to be...
@williamginsa Having read you wrote of yourself "I dont need to read their "evidence" to know they are wrong", which is a pretty intelligent remark coming from someone debunking the evidence isnt it? Objective ? So you dont look at what the truthseekers evidence is, but whatever it is your against it. OK. i see where your coming from ( and where your heading).
@permaveg immediately after posting that I regretted it. My point remains the same though. If you were to claim that the earth was flat, or the moon was made of cheese I would not have to examine the arguments for your case as those claims are to outlandish to entertain. The problem I have with conspiracy theorists is that a few anomalous data points in the 9/11 attacks are trumped up to point to a government conspiracy, while the boatloads of other evidence is ignored.
@williamginsa Just remember there was once a time that to suggest the earth was round you would be called a heretic, or to suggest the earth is not the centre of our universe likewise. I think it goes beyond just a goverment conspiracy although they have benefitted the most from this excercise in terms of wealth, oil, deals etc. and they have their feet in land they were after for some time as well. There are also very dark forces at work as well,very covert but there believe me. Enough said.
@permaveg I agree that certain "dark forces" ie Halliburton and Dick Chaney et al. benefited, but war profiteering does not a conspiracy make. All I am asking is that you apply methods of sckeptical inquiry, occam's razor, and the scientific method to 9/11 "truther" claims and if you are a rational person you will realize that it was indeed Al Qadea and not unspecified "evil organizations" that were responsible for the attack.
@williamginsa When i said "dark forces" i didnt mean Hallibuton or any individual, i meant satanic . No the case is far from closed, its all neat and tidy to believe Laden was behind it ( despite a denial from him that he was involved in it and his group asked for evidence from U.S. , none came forward but U.S.still went in) , what of the Bushes close links with the Laden's ? under the carpet i suppose. Pretend if you like but it wont make the truth go away. The case is in no way closed !
But you're aware that even the government hasn't provided any evidence to support their own official theory, right? And you realise that you are not applying skepticism, but glaring selective skepticism?
Why would a reasonable person accept a theory which has zero evidence provided to support it, as Chomsky has detailed is true of the official version? What 'reason' would lead you to that baseless, faith based conclusion.
You evidently suffer from cognitive dissonance, anti-logic, doublethink.
@wearechangenorwich 9/11 commision report, Al Qaeda claiming responsibility, Flight school records of the terrorists, the list goes on ad nauseum. You cannot substantiate any of your claims, they are all easily falsifiable, you continue to pile conspiracy upon conspiracy until for your theory to be true the entire united states governement would have to be in on it including the FAA, the Washington Air national guard, the JFK tower operators, the NYPD and NYFD, 3 diff airlines, etc etc etc...
@williamginsa True, the US Gov. said Al Qaeda claimed responsibility, but didn't provide any evidence for that theory the three times the Taliban asked for it, Bin Laden was not even wanted or indicted for 9/11. The very fact they were American flight schools, and that the US Gov. were aware of and tracking them is a little suspect. The NYPD and NYFD have endless people aware of the multiple explosions, aware that carbon fires can't melt steel. It's not theory, those are just some basic facts.
Apply the scientific method to your claims, use Occam's Razor, use skeptical inquiry. 9/11 was caused by Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden. Period. Case Closed. Massive preponderance of evidence from independently verifiable, independent sources from all over the world. It's fascinating that "Truthers" apparently don't think that Bin Laden was evil enough and have to blame someone else...
Been looking at some of the comments on here, there are some pretty dumbed down people still using the internet from what I can see. So much of what this guy predicted earlier has come true, he hosts talks for 8 hours at a time, upwards of 3000 people attend his talks all over the world, its a pretty strange style of delusion to me.
@rodjames98 Not to mention the interest in his many books around the world , written in many languages by popular demand, thats a lot of people listening and reading about his evidence , including me !
This kind of grilling happens on mainstrean teleision all the time and totally tries to make the person interviewed look like a complete idiot. They are bought and paid for shills. David Icke is brilliant and I would rather listen to him than a thousand shrinks/politiians/bankers/elitists. Truith is often stranger than fiction.
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I hate conspiracy theorists, I don't need to read their "evidence" to know they are wrong. They will never try to falsify their own theory, and will only site sources that support it, no matter how thinly, while ignoring mountains of evidence against it. I work with one of these nutters and the only thing that keeps me from telling him to eff off is the fact that I have to see the bugger every day.
@williamginsa Well basically you're doing the exact same thing you're claiming conspiracy theorists are doing. Your words:
"I don't need to read their "evidence" to know they are wrong. They will never try to falsify their own theory".
What that's saying about you is basically that you will never try to falsify YOUR own view of how you think the world works so you don't "need" to look at the evidence cause you're already in your ignorant little box.
@goenisse I admit my wording was poor, perhaps I should have wrote: "The evidence that conspiracy theorists present is typically so flimsy and easily falsifiable that I get tired of being asked to look at it. " The particular theorist I am speaking of is a 9/11 truther and all his arguments are so ridiculous that if I keep looking at "evidence" my head might explode.
@williamginsa Well believe whatever you want to, it's your god forsaken right. But I do disagree with you about that what they are presenting are easily falsifiable. I'm getting the feeling that you havn't really looked at it... but what do I know, you should know better than me if you have or havn't.
Just curious, ever looked at any of the "Architectural & Engineering for 9/11 truth" with over 1500 of these professionals questioning and challenging the official story?
@goenisse That is the latest video my coworker asked me to look at, there are over one million architects and engineers in the US, 1500 of them is less than one percent of one percent. When 99.99 percent of the experts in their field do not feel the need to call for further investigation or challenge the accepted explanation then neither do I.
Those who wrote the report say there should be another, real investigation, 6 of the 10 commissioners say the report is massively lacking, where its not outright lies. If you take youre cue from what others believe, youd see a real investigation is a no brainer.
Lies do not become truth by force of multiplied propagation, truth does not become false just because nobody sees it. you follow the heard at the cost of independent, critical thinking. Whose job is it to think for yourself?
@williamginsa Well many are very closed minded and don't feel like it's necessary to look at it cause this conspiracy theory "is just nonsens of course" and then you dismissing it with reflex action. Then I also believe that there's many more of them that do agree with this, but don't dare to go public with it cause it can affect their career and reputation.
But that's just me. Believe what ever you want to, I'm not trying to convert you. I personally though like that have an open mind :)
Respond to this video... (continued) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and conspiracy theorists consistently DO NOT provide it, therefore I do not feel the need to examine the minute inconsistencies (usually anomalous data points, or things that are easily written off as coincidence) that they discover about some event and instantly present (without due diligence) as proof of their wild claim... Better?
Every time a denier speaks up, they provide more examples of this backward-thinking anti-logic
This is what the two psychologists, and this entire video + analysis demonstrates over and over again, everything they throw at conspiracy realists is 180 degrees wrong and actually applies precisely to themselves, the real deniers, only they don't even see this glaring, self-evident fact, including the shrinks - who can't think at all, like the feeble minded unthinkers at DEMOS.
Evidence is key. Every word you wrote there is directly and precisely applicable to the conspiracy theory denier, you'd only know that if you looked at the evidence.
On conspiracy deniers, Hitler wrote "In the simplicity of their minds, people more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie.. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and continue to think that there may be some other explanation.”
This is great, is the same not true of the official conspiracy theory?
If the theory is able to be proven false, then you, or the government or Cass Sunstein might consider providing info that proves it, as 9/11 truth has. Thing is, government didn't even provide evidence to prove their own theory actually happened, they even stick to the 19 hijackers, despite some turning up alive. They didn't even provide the Taliban, or the world, any evidence Bin Laden did it!
So true. I don't know how people don't see through the cracks. But the fact is it's easier to believe what your government says. If you don't, then you're opening yourself up to a whole new world. And that thought is very daunting. So people will want to stay exactly where they are and put their fingers in their ears.
A real truthseeker will look at both sides of the argument and then go from there. I did. And what I found was truly very very scary. And it gets worse.
@l3lip I have. A conspiracy theory is just that... a theory. The word 'conspiracy' is used to make theorists sound like nutjobs. But then we could say that the WMD 'theory' in Iraq was nothing more than conspiracy theory and that our leaders should be labelled as expressing cognitive dissonance. I'm afraid cognitive dissonance can work both ways. The thing is, conspiracies arise when Govts are continuously found to lying, stretching the truth, and the media is not doing the job of discernment.
Erm, no. WMD in Iraq was not a *conspiracy* theory, it was being disputed by investigators and whatnot (still is, to this day).
Conspiracy theories are theories that attempt to explain something because it can't accept that the cause could have such a large effect (e.g. you can't accept that it was Islamic fundamentalist on 9/11, it had to be something more sinister).
@l3lip Ha! Dude, I used to believe it was Islamic fundamentalists on 9/11. When 9/11 happened I was one of those people screaming for the US to go in there and get 'Al Qaeda' IMMEDIATELY. However, many holes appeared. I was in University, I talked to many professors of political science on the subject, did my own fact finding, read books on both sides of the debate, and I made my own decision using my own brain and not the brain of BBC, CNN and goodness forbid Fox News.
And your professors concluded with conspiracy theories? I highly doubt that.
Furthermore, your stances are irrelevant -- it always bugs me when people state "I used to believe this and now I'm this and therefore I'm right." So what? It neither proves the evidence or the contentions of your current position (of which you've provided *no* evidence for, by the way).
I've asked you to PM me about studies about the psychology against your position, which makes me extremely...
@l3lip And just for the record, please don't attempt to explain the psychology of someone you don't know, and I won't do the same for you. I'm not trying to convince people of anything. Peace out.
skeptical that you care much for objective analysis (contrary to what you state), since science (the best method to understanding the physical world [hopefully this isn't a contestable point]) has something to state about the issue and you don't care much for it. You claim the high ground in terms of objectivity, but your actions state otherwise.
And of course "conspiracy" is a pejorative label, when did I ever assert that it *wasn't*...?
@l3lip Here's the deal. I've done my research, which includes fact based research, there are many alternative views out there, find them for yourself, I don't feel the need to provide a youtuber with any evidence. You can believe what you want, as will I, as will anyone. I don't prescribe to your ideas or your psychological philosophies, as you don't prescribe to mine, and for your info, one of my professors was a man in his 80s who actually taught about 'invisible govt' and the 'nwo.'
You state that you've done "all this research" and that you still care about objective truth, but you've yet to PM me about the studies I've seen about the psychological nature of conspiracy theorists. Now, which one is it? What you say (that you care about truth) or what you do (no PM and thus, no care for the other side's opinions)?
"I don't prescribe to your ideas or your psychological philosophies"
-- Oh, no way? Come on... it's not *mine*, it's the scientific *consensus*. Why do you think that the most elite scientists (NSF RAS) of the western world don't spend their time investigating these theories? Because-there-is-no-evidence.
And I find it extremely facetious that you advise me to read some of these documents. What makes you believe that I'll reach the same conclusions as you? Because I've...
@l3lip Read them, why not read other people's views? Just because they don't appear on CNN, Fox News and MSNBC on a daily basis? Oh, and the Project for a New American Century is actually written by American Politicians - it's not a document written by so called 'conspiracy theorists' it's written by them and if you care to read their document, you may see the big picture. But if all you can do is retaliate in that fashion then i see no point in carrying this exchange any further.
Dude, what are you spewing on about? When did I ever state that people who aren't *conspiracy* theorists can't be guilty of cognitive dissonance? You build up straw-men and claim victory after you beat them to pulps...
As for your claims on the MIC and "evil govt's", state your arguments and the evidence in favor of them. I'm open to change, but the core reason I don't buy this theories is because of how well these institutions operate. You seriously believe...
@l3lip Read the project for the New American Century - Rebuilding America's Defenses, go to a library and rent out a book called Pawns in the Game by William Guy Carr (also freely available online). Read William Blum's 'Rogue State', listen to Myron C Fagan, listen to speeches by JFK, Dwight Eisenhower, read George Orwell's 1984, Read Aldous Huxley's 'A Brave New World.' Educate yourself on American Foreign Policy. After that, take a look at the world you live in.
read most of the studies and books you cite. The entire point here is that if you're trying to convince somebody of the other side to reach your conclusions, then list out your premises, your bases for those, and the conclusion you therefore reach. Don't ask somebody to investigate premises and come to their own conclusion (again, the NTS fallacy here).
Furthermore, I don't care much for those "architects and engineers for truth". It's the same concept with the petition...
@l3lip Of course you should do your own research and find your own premises. Why should I do the work for you? I did mine. That's rather lazy of you. NTS fallacy?? Haha, that can be applied to you too. William Blum, author or "Roge State", worked in the State Department, with former CIA officers and is now a Journalist and writes extensively on American Foreign Policy.
@l3lip You say you "don't care much for those "architects and engineers for truth". Why is that? Can't you bring yourself to listen to alternative 'scientific' theories? Surely, it's the job of a critical thinker to look at both sides equally instead of "I don't care much for it" nonsense. It's funny, because Galileo was deemed a heretic by the establishment for stating that the Earth is not the centre of the galaxy. And you think we've moved on a great deal since then?
Oh, btw, about Galileo: Copernicus was actually the first one to propose that the solar system was helio-centric, not geo-centric. Galileo came on later to affirm this theory but look at what occurred because of it: house arrest by the church. He and scientists like him were restricted to base their conclusions in church theology or else. You see none of that (oh wait, they're conspirators in a bigger plot) with most scientists today.
@l3lip "Don't ask somebody to investigate premises and come to their own conclusions"??? Wow, well would you like me to read them for you and to conclude for you too?? Lol. No worries, Fox News can conclude for you. If you ever feel like investigating and coming to your own conclusions however, let me know, I can recommend some reading from people who are very well placed to disseminate such views.
that Bush could pull off 9/11 without a *single* leak? That he, who couldn't land a helicopter in the SuperDome, would be able to pull something off as elaborate as 9/11? Again, there's no evidence for your position whatsoever.
@l3lip Lol, you're right, Bush is a total idiot that probably couldn't wipe his own ass. However, for those who are privy to who and what is really behind Presidents and Prime Ministers realise all too well that Heads of States are merely puppets. Bush was nothing but a puppet, and a very bad one at that. But you have to look behind the facade to see what the real agenda is, and that means opening your mind to some very horrific realities. Anyways, it's up to you what to believe dude. Take care.
of 400 biology Professors who don't accept Evolution. So what if there's a minute minority where the majority is correct, most of the time (i.e. science)?
Take a nat'l poll of architects, engineers, etc who believe that 9/11 was a cover-up and you'll find that the painstakingly unequivocal consensus contradicts your position.
You seem like a nice (and intelligent) fellow, but very, very misguided.
@l3lip Lol. I'm no fellow. Interesting diatribe. I've read from all sources. It's up to you if you want to read about American Foreign Policy or not. I have. Most scientists are on the gravy train and are nothing more than repeaters. We'll have to agree to disagree. And I disagree very strongly with your preconceived views, as you do with my views. Thank You.
Erm, what happened to "take care"? A bit insecure about something?
"Most scientists are on the gravy train and are nothing more than repeaters."
"misguided by the education system and the popular mainstream media."
"Just because they don't appear on CNN, Fox News and MSNBC on a daily basis?"
That and more. I've wasted enough time "arguing" with you; you don't bother to read my contentions, so I'm not going to waste mine read yours after this.
@l3lip It is you who is misguided, misguided by the education system and the popular mainstream media. Taje the red pill for a change. Or enjoy the New World Order, cuz they sure do enjoy screwing 'the citizens' where the sun don't shine.
And that was a typo; I was inquiring why you could possibly think that simply because you asked somebody to reach "their own conclusion" with premises you provide will reach *your* conclusion.
You've yet to PM me about those studies. You state that scientists are "repeaters" (except for those who fit your worldview) and you prejudge me as not having read what you cite.
Again, full of holes and fallacies.
We're done here. I know now not to contend with intellectual pariahs like you.
@l3lip I never said that you would reach 'my' conclusion either. I said read and then see what you think. But all you could do is retaliate with babble. So yeah, we're most certainly done.
@l3lip Oh, and in addendum, as with cognitive dissonance, that can always be turned around to say that 'conspiracy' phobics can't accept that the powers that be (govts, military industrial complex, corporations, banks) might want to hold on to their power and might want to keep their pockets lined and may actually do some ruthless, horrible things. Oh, and conspiracy is a pejorative label. Look it up.
@l3lip In addition, check out what many engineers and architects have to say about 9/11 at AE911Truth. org and also what many pilots have to say at pilotsfor911truth. org have to say.
@williamginsa Yes yes I know that "I don't need to read their "evidence" to know they are wrong." was a stupid thing to post... I should have said something like "every time I examine their "evidence" it crumbles until the most basic level of scrutiny...
@williamginsa They are very often a certain personality type. Some are gullible, and some just not well. Having done a bit of work in mental health, you can find many there. They make up for their lack of understanding of the world with puedoscience, which can fit ANY situation. They are often not a happy bunch and quite angry, and blame something 'unseen', for their failings.
The internet is allowed by the people who are out to use and supress them, the paradox. They are stupid AND paranoid!!
@williamginsa You have zero clue and have zero education about the real world, sooner you and people like you are off this planet, the sooner this world will move on and there will be peace. Now fuck off
Be it mocking ufo reports or any paranormal events the establisment wheel out French or even worse that Susan Blackmore to prop up their established dogma .
As usual ickes biggest critics are those that have never even read one of his books, time and time again and again when i confront critics on YT i ask what books have you read of his you get the same answer, none ! They hear a few comments or a line or two and thats it , judged and found guilty, incredible ignorance it seems. Wearechangennorwich , your comments made me laugh! French is a septic sceptic by the way,and no match for ickes integrity as this film showed.
Talking with this "psychologist" is as fruitful as debating a 3 year old on the merits of eating fruits and veggies over cheeseburgers and pop tarts. The guy is a mental and spiritual child.
I think Icke is nuts. However the guy with glasses needs to research "the washington consensus", the dictatorships the USA fund for its elites (operation ajax, operation condor in latin america ) and the distribuation of wealth in the world. With views like his no wonder he needs glasses.
david icke is a liar and a freemason plz believe that HOLD THE FUCKING BOOK UP SIDE DOWN WHY IS HE USING THE SERPANT A EVIL MASONC DEMON EATING IT SELF WHY IF HE IS AGAI NST HIDDEN SYMBOLISM DOES HE USE IT HIMSELF COS HES PART OF THE DECEPTION BELIEVE
there is no such thing as conspiracy theories. there are only facts, logic, reason, and sensibility. there is no such thing as conspiracy theories. that is misinformation.
1. they always appear an event as happened, if they were so right, why didn't anyone conspire before it happened? or even know? if thousands were involved some would sputter out everything
2 conspiracies are inconsistent with each other and sometimes reject views on some conspiracies. they occur immediately after an event as happened.
3when the government lies, its a lie. not a conspiracy. there were times where the government is caught lying but then gets out.
This is ridiculous. We don't believe in conspiracies because we want too. It's because alot of it is simply true. Just open your eyes and see the symbolism everywhere. Study history and see it unfold again before your eyes. Undermine authority and your whole basis of reality. You will see that the world is not as complex and uncomprehensible as we are led to believe. Nope, every complex matter can be tracked back to a very simple basis. And you are fooled if you believe otherwise.
Wow that guy is insane! How exactly DO you debunk somebody when you can't even complete a whole sentence coherently OR EVEN read what they have written first!!! And the voiceover at the end, blatant programming.
The interviewer is correct in more ways than he can comprehend
The US Governments version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory so wild, bizarre & far-fetched that Bush et al must laugh themselves to sleep at night, wondering how they ever managed to persuade the public to believe it
It would seem that Derren Brown's TV series is all about telling people how they are hypnotized & affected by subliminal suggestion. However, people think it is just entertainment & don't really get the real message
when a the fireman and the women heard the explosives going of in the bulding before it tottally callapsed which were close to the ground floor, that to me is plain edidence , you listen to the people who were there at the time for starters.there is overwelming edidence to say 911 was plotted but not by who you were told to believe.but your own governments are to blame .
Indeed. We live in a world where people are hypnotised by the media to always believe the official line, however ridiculous it might prove to be
As you indicate, most people believe what their government, or the so-called experts say, even when it contradicts actual observations by real people
This dependency starts in the education system, where one's actual observations & those of others, are totally disregarded & dismissed, in favour of the power system
Those who own the media & the banks own the governments
TIP:
Someone so dumb would be well advised to keep their insults to themselves, as it only demonstrates a distinct lack of intellect, reasoning or basic respect for others
Right, an establishment that's destroyed every empire and kingdom it's ever gone up against is owned by some Bankers. O yeah, that's not delusional, LMAO.
Seems every time you scratch an Idiot Truther, you end up with another JOOOO hating, semi nazi brownshirt that thinks everybody is out to get him.
WE, the US establishment, is NOT out to get you or control you.
Ive been thinking about this idea of "Alienation" from the rest of society recently... What is there to conform to in society? Patriotism, Religion, Dumbed down TV, Consumerism... This breeds intellectual materialism, people get indoctrinated into the culture that only serves to perpetuate keeping elitists in power while we passively accept the dehumanizing values and become mere robots. Conspiracy theories are automatically put into the fringe lunatic section and condemned without investigation
@aiiiunluckykid its also ironic in society that it seems socially acceptable for people to believe that a guy 2000 years ago rose from the dead, psychics can contact your dead father and predict the future... but if you come out talking about how a group of elitists are trying to take over the world...OH NO..THATS CRAZY!
@aiiiunluckykid Exactly, the problem is: People don't base their believes off of data, statistics, evidence and personal thoughts. They just look at what the television says, or church and think whatever it says must be true.
Icke never met a conspiracy theory that he didn't like. This alone erodes his credibility before one even begins to challenge the specifics. This, of course, is lost on "true believers" who would really benefit from medical intervention or perhaps, an education.
In reality one never can challenge the specifics - just the character of one of the messengers, as seen in this propaganda, and your comment
Unfortunately, an education didn't save these shrinks from psychological disorders. Did you notice this program did not dare tackle any evidence whatsoever, and had to employ lies & deception in order to falsly imply that the shrinks are themselves mentally sound, justified and correct.
Nazis liked Medical intervention for political dissidents too.
@wearechangenorwich He would have more credibility if he didn't support so many conspiracy theories: reptilians, aliens, JFK, 9/11...., and claim to be the son of god, predicting the end of the world. He sees patterns where they do not exist. He is a paranoid delusional individual. NOTHING is random. Shall we go down the rabbit hole chasing every one of his absurd assertions? The fact that this has to be explained to you is troubling. A conspiracy nut has abandoned all genuine skepticism.
@tittlemouse1969 Your last statement about "A conspiracy 'nut' (disparaging remark) has abandoned to all genuine skepticism. Actually they are more skeptic and critical thinkers in my experience with people than the average person that watches dancing with the stars, american idol and so forth. Conspracies do happen, that is why there is Federal/State Laws against the act, a theory is just a theory-a thesis without empirical data.Whether either side is true, is something we must investigate
So does wearechange also believe Icke's theory that there are reptillians walking amonst us as well. If your so quick to back Mr. Icke then you must not think there is a slight possibility he is maybe... an unstable person. It seemed to me that Icke was getting upset because the interviewer was starting to explain to him how he could be mentally unstable, it seems Icke is also afraid of that. Just a free thinkers opinion, I never claim anything for certain, and I'm open to anything.
The psychology of Conspiracy theorists is a known segment of brain damage, and there are SEVERAL psychological diseases that BEGIN with the "Angels coming to get me!", "Demons coming to get me!", Etc.
0:43 = Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" album cover.
NoEcologyNoEconomy 2 weeks ago
Hahaha well done with the annotations XD
aquariussouldier 1 month ago
David Icke is really at a so much higher level of knowledge and wisdom than that idiot
The reason why those particular people beleive in conspiracy is probably because they have time to think about shit, instead of being a normal TV/working slave who dont think too much.
And the statistics used to make such claims were probably biased
CoLLecToR91 1 month ago
Good work. Thank you for posting this.
fitchaustralia 2 months ago
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Would you people who laugh at conspiracy theories support a FALSE FLAG PROHIBITION ACT as follows:
making it a high felony for any US official, citizen, agent, operative or ally, to: plan, conspire, orchestrate, commit, counsel, conceal, exploit or knowingly place wrongful blame on any event or occurrence, intended to generate fear over the general population, or as a pretext to engage in: (1) hostile conflict, in or with foreign countries, and/or (2), loss of civil rights to the US population.
dpetrano 2 months ago
People are quick to discredit anything that might be labled a "conspiracy theory," yet they won't do any research and see for themselves. They want to be ignorant.
salzwell25 2 months ago
@salzwell25 I think that you label anyone who has an ounce of sense ignorant, which just plain ignorant,lol
mrduffy1100 1 month ago
Do we get to put him in a mental institution when the truth does come out that twin towers, WTC building 7 and the 7/7 london attacks were done by mossad :).
Get Dr Alan Sabrowski to go round his house and the Architects who demand an investigation.
People uncapable of critical thinking, might as well stay asleep if you think what is going on around you is normal. Carry on eating dog food, while us conspiracy proofers eat normal food we deserve and not some inbred select group
Jazziggady 2 months ago
@Jazziggady Thank you for being so on-point.
These people who further their 9/11 "NOBLE LIES" piss on the graves of the 3000 souls burned alive on 9/11, by discrediting those of us who have accepted the harsh reality a criminal element w/i all 3 branches of USGov orchestrated 9/11, and the subsequent cover-up that has followed.
dpetrano 2 months ago
@Jazziggady Actually, we don't put these disinfo scumbags in a mental institution, we hang them for treason. Their role here in this ongoing crime is to obstruct justice in a mass murder investigation.
These losers will FALSELY tell you USA can't keep secrets.
USA does a GREAT job at keeping BIG things top secret among hundreds of thousands of people. MANHATTAN PROJECT.
dpetrano 2 months ago
@dpetrano the manhatton project was to gather some top scientists together to build the first bomb during the second world war
mrduffy1100 1 month ago
@mrduffy1100
Manhattan project employed over 175,000 people for a period of over 4 years and maintained secrecy to the extent USA won WWII.
Operation GLADIO, CIA butchered thousands of innocent people in a series of false flag terrorist events throughout Europe blamed on communist extremists, kept secret for 40 years
In sum, USA is very good at keeping things secret; so good in fact, it should surprise no one that something like 9/11 has been kept secret as a false flag operation.
dpetrano 1 month ago
@dpetrano Building a bomb to end the war, and to get ahead of the opposition, was carried out by groups, who would not have known about end product. The engineers who built the device, would be the only people in the know. Each case id different.The West is a target for many groups, and they will suceed at times, as they evolve the means to slip past security, 9/11 was such an event, there will be other attempts, and sucesses. Cant comment on anticommunist GLADIO.
mrduffy1100 1 month ago
There should be more research into the psychology of conspiracy theorists, its a bizarre and worrying modern phenomenon
craigpsimpson 3 months ago
it was a fail interview
guitar19904 3 months ago
exactly! ffs no i wont look at the evidence but ill attempt to smash it. you pussies. if your scared go be scared, dont mess with information.. GREAT POST TY!!
MrRBALLZ13 3 months ago
What a twerp this shrink is. It's as though he inhabits some detached thought realm. What goes on in these peoples heads? How much uni did that take. Icke was on to him from the start. A joke. I'm surprised he wasn't outright pissed off with French for wasting a good part of his day.
jaiyaidee 3 months ago
Diana alive, real target Dodi, movie producer.
Homeless NASA Prop Engineer "Terminated" by
Irish Klan met Diana NYC(1995)_Fed Civil Rights Case vs NASA
and Bush with Video. White Car? F-CIA-T, U Know?
NY Duchess mom headless on 9-11-98. M-ET Opera
"Klan Case"_singer D.O.A. AJ Pakula(Devil's Own) & H Ford Case
and Video_Pakula impaled on LIE(98). FBI WTC Case and
Video_WTC destroyed 9-11. George's little JFK Case and
Video_Plane crash. Harvard's Dr. John Mack "Contact"_London Road Kill.
wmansue 3 months ago
"theres no evidence"
"have you read the book?"
"no, to be honest i haven't read your books"
conversation over you feckin idiot!
fowzie777 4 months ago 9
Theres a psychological trick at work that convinces people elements in and behind govt "DONT" conspire. You cant have it both ways. History shows us power conspiring time after time after time. Even if your version of history is the Bible Jesus was crucified through a conspiracy. Its the fundamental nature of how the rulers clings to power. And its being going on a long time. Anyone who denies that as conspiracy theory and possibility of current conspiracy is the real fucking loon!!
outofslumber 4 months ago
3:24 LMAO! David's so streetwise and totally right here.. the guy just keeps enforcing his opinion while he hasn't read any of David's books! Of course David dismisses any further discussion.. you can only share with a mind that's open!
91100249110025 5 months ago
I recommend any one who is willing to research this topic with a critical thinking mind to read William Blum's Rogue State and also to listen to Myron C Fagan's long speech on 'secret govts', which was btw recorded in 1967. You can find that on youtube.
SunUp08 5 months ago
@SunUp08
thanks for that, always interesting to hear a new [or old] voice on the topic. I might give them a search now...
peace!
wearechangenorwich 5 months ago
@wearechangenorwich YW. I find it unbelievable when people say; "Are you crazy, you actually think people in suits sit around in a room plotting things?" Well duhhhhh, you don't actually think they're sitting outside on a park bench or a carousel do ya? Anyways, for those who have a phobia in believing that bad people do exist and shit does tend to float to the top - listen to Myron C Fagan who said it very well in 1967. Also JFK and Dwight Eisenhower for that matter. The list goes on and on.
SunUp08 5 months ago
Why is it so hard to believe serious people who have repeatedly warned us that powerful ruling elites are out to dominate “the masses?” Did we think Dwight Eisenhower was exaggerating when he warned of the extreme “danger” to democracy of “the military industrial complex?” - MIchael Hasty
SunUp08 5 months ago
Erm, has anybody here ever even investigated the psychology behind conspiracy theorists...? E-mail me and I'll provide you with the studies. Cognitive dissonance at its best.
l3lip 5 months ago
@wearechangenorwich
I dont think that Chris French won. I think David Icke lost it entirely by himself.
I did not say that Icke was not used to being criticized. Quote me correctly please! I said he is not used to being challenged that way. Up front and directly on his evidence. He is used to talks where he is preaching to an adoring choir and writing books that he can refer to as his circular evidence.
Creeno1 6 months ago
You said "He's not used to being challenged that way" its not a "quote" - I wrote 'not used to being criticized in this way' - which he is. If you read what I wrote it is the same meaning, one synonym different.
Being challenged "up front and directly on his evidence" never happened, it's impossible given French hasn't actually read any of Ickes books. French's opinion is built on NOT reading the evidence, it is uninformed faith based preaching to a massive audience, including school children.
wearechangenorwich 6 months ago
As I said before, you see what you want to see
Your statement of Icke being challenged "up front and directly on his evidence", indicates you are deaf, or consciously ignoring the fact that French stated he has not read any of Ickes evidence, nor did he even attempt to challenge one single piece of evidence.
Either you didn't watch the video, your stupid, or you watched it selectively to fit your own "version of reality" [to quote this pop propaganda].
Tell me, what evidence was challenged?
wearechangenorwich 6 months ago
Interesting to see Icke sink down to third grade schoolyard argumentation when he is so obviously overwhelmed.
He's not used to being challenged that way, and so he dismisses the discussion instead of engaging it.
Creeno1 6 months ago
Interesting, you could come away from this video and feel that Chris French won the day. You see what you want to see, French was obviously overwhelmed, floundering and stuttering.. aside from this, French very clearly lost his argument by himself, I even pointed out French's failures in the annotations!
Also, I find it curious you think Icke is 'not used to being criticized in this way' when he was the most criticized, most ridiculed man in the entire country for years. Your very wrong, again
wearechangenorwich 6 months ago 10
@wearechangenorwich
Although French may have been unprepared, what's so difficult about providing evidence on Icke's part? There's a reason none of the top scientists of Britain and the US take him seriously.
l3lip 5 months ago
@wearechangenorwich Good point mate.
rodjames98 1 month ago
@Creeno1 That guy didnt even read the book and is basically just guessing what Icke believes in.
lazyboylba 3 months ago
@Creeno1 He is ill.
mrduffy1100 1 month ago
All the conspiratards and Icke-worshippers can't wait to attack this video.
UniversalProjectCo 6 months ago
All the Psychologists ive met were screwed up as anyone one else some were bat shit crazy, though most were good people that want to help,it was all about the benjamins theres is a good paying gig,psychology is bullshit this guys a ponce.
ward5256 7 months ago
@ocarina2boy I'm sorry did you have a real point to make? We should listen to musicians not scientists? The scientific method is "establishment crap"? John Lennon was a talented musician, but that doesn't give him credibility towards anything else... You also must realize that the internet through which we are interacting is a product of people who went to "stupid school"....
williamginsa 8 months ago
Sept11 (9/11)9+1+1=11.Sept11 is the 254day of the year,2+5+4=11.Aftersept11the number of days to the end of the year 111.Area code to Iraq/iran is 119.1+1+9=11.Twin towers resemble 11. First plane to hit the tower was flight 11.State of New york is the 11th state added to the union.New york city ,11 letters.The pentagon 11letters,Afghanistan 11letters. Flight 11-92 on board 9+2=11.Flight 77-65 on board 6+5=11. Coincidence? or a knowledge of numerology.
permaveg 8 months ago
@permaveg numerology is junk science
williamginsa 8 months ago
@williamginsa Well, your starting to realise you say some stupid things anyway.
permaveg 8 months ago
@permaveg sigh...
williamginsa 8 months ago
@Sheeecai yeah, 'cept it's not
williamginsa 8 months ago
To all the ostriches out there with their head in the sand, williamginsa, thespartian et all, " If you cant be bothered to make the enquirey then listen to those of us who have" as the philosopher Arthur Findlay said.
permaveg 8 months ago
@permaveg except you only make the inquiry if it agrees with your pre-disposed opinion, all of you claims are either EASILY falsifiable, or irrelevant. Instead of composing some witty retort take an hour or so and look at the claims you are making, browse the google device and see if your claims are falsifiable. try to be as objective as you all keep asking me to be...
williamginsa 8 months ago
@williamginsa iI keep you asking you to be objective ? Remind me what i said to you, i cant remember who you are, should I?
permaveg 8 months ago
@permaveg You called me an ostrich with my head in the sand and quoted Arthur Findlay...
williamginsa 8 months ago
@williamginsa Having read you wrote of yourself "I dont need to read their "evidence" to know they are wrong", which is a pretty intelligent remark coming from someone debunking the evidence isnt it? Objective ? So you dont look at what the truthseekers evidence is, but whatever it is your against it. OK. i see where your coming from ( and where your heading).
permaveg 8 months ago
@permaveg immediately after posting that I regretted it. My point remains the same though. If you were to claim that the earth was flat, or the moon was made of cheese I would not have to examine the arguments for your case as those claims are to outlandish to entertain. The problem I have with conspiracy theorists is that a few anomalous data points in the 9/11 attacks are trumped up to point to a government conspiracy, while the boatloads of other evidence is ignored.
williamginsa 8 months ago
@williamginsa Just remember there was once a time that to suggest the earth was round you would be called a heretic, or to suggest the earth is not the centre of our universe likewise. I think it goes beyond just a goverment conspiracy although they have benefitted the most from this excercise in terms of wealth, oil, deals etc. and they have their feet in land they were after for some time as well. There are also very dark forces at work as well,very covert but there believe me. Enough said.
permaveg 8 months ago
@permaveg I agree that certain "dark forces" ie Halliburton and Dick Chaney et al. benefited, but war profiteering does not a conspiracy make. All I am asking is that you apply methods of sckeptical inquiry, occam's razor, and the scientific method to 9/11 "truther" claims and if you are a rational person you will realize that it was indeed Al Qadea and not unspecified "evil organizations" that were responsible for the attack.
williamginsa 8 months ago
@williamginsa When i said "dark forces" i didnt mean Hallibuton or any individual, i meant satanic . No the case is far from closed, its all neat and tidy to believe Laden was behind it ( despite a denial from him that he was involved in it and his group asked for evidence from U.S. , none came forward but U.S.still went in) , what of the Bushes close links with the Laden's ? under the carpet i suppose. Pretend if you like but it wont make the truth go away. The case is in no way closed !
permaveg 8 months ago
@permaveg surely you don't mean Satanic as is the Devil... If so I'm afraid this conversation is over.
williamginsa 8 months ago
@williamginsa Ok then, a luciferic conciousness. Conversation is a genorous description, bye bye.
permaveg 8 months ago
But you're aware that even the government hasn't provided any evidence to support their own official theory, right? And you realise that you are not applying skepticism, but glaring selective skepticism?
Why would a reasonable person accept a theory which has zero evidence provided to support it, as Chomsky has detailed is true of the official version? What 'reason' would lead you to that baseless, faith based conclusion.
You evidently suffer from cognitive dissonance, anti-logic, doublethink.
wearechangenorwich 8 months ago
@wearechangenorwich 9/11 commision report, Al Qaeda claiming responsibility, Flight school records of the terrorists, the list goes on ad nauseum. You cannot substantiate any of your claims, they are all easily falsifiable, you continue to pile conspiracy upon conspiracy until for your theory to be true the entire united states governement would have to be in on it including the FAA, the Washington Air national guard, the JFK tower operators, the NYPD and NYFD, 3 diff airlines, etc etc etc...
williamginsa 8 months ago
@williamginsa True, the US Gov. said Al Qaeda claimed responsibility, but didn't provide any evidence for that theory the three times the Taliban asked for it, Bin Laden was not even wanted or indicted for 9/11. The very fact they were American flight schools, and that the US Gov. were aware of and tracking them is a little suspect. The NYPD and NYFD have endless people aware of the multiple explosions, aware that carbon fires can't melt steel. It's not theory, those are just some basic facts.
wearechangenorwich 7 months ago
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SunUp08 7 months ago
Apply the scientific method to your claims, use Occam's Razor, use skeptical inquiry. 9/11 was caused by Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden. Period. Case Closed. Massive preponderance of evidence from independently verifiable, independent sources from all over the world. It's fascinating that "Truthers" apparently don't think that Bin Laden was evil enough and have to blame someone else...
williamginsa 8 months ago
Been looking at some of the comments on here, there are some pretty dumbed down people still using the internet from what I can see. So much of what this guy predicted earlier has come true, he hosts talks for 8 hours at a time, upwards of 3000 people attend his talks all over the world, its a pretty strange style of delusion to me.
rodjames98 8 months ago
@rodjames98 Not to mention the interest in his many books around the world , written in many languages by popular demand, thats a lot of people listening and reading about his evidence , including me !
permaveg 8 months ago
Isn't David Icke the one who believes in lizard ppl?
williamginsa 8 months ago
which of course pretty much makes anything that falls out of his mouth completely unreliable.....
williamginsa 8 months ago
This kind of grilling happens on mainstrean teleision all the time and totally tries to make the person interviewed look like a complete idiot. They are bought and paid for shills. David Icke is brilliant and I would rather listen to him than a thousand shrinks/politiians/bankers/elitists. Truith is often stranger than fiction.
parrotchops 8 months ago
@parrotchops David Icke makes himself look a fool all by himself.
thesparitan 8 months ago
This video is just propaganda.
peterlikesthis 9 months ago
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I hate conspiracy theorists, I don't need to read their "evidence" to know they are wrong. They will never try to falsify their own theory, and will only site sources that support it, no matter how thinly, while ignoring mountains of evidence against it. I work with one of these nutters and the only thing that keeps me from telling him to eff off is the fact that I have to see the bugger every day.
williamginsa 9 months ago
@williamginsa Well basically you're doing the exact same thing you're claiming conspiracy theorists are doing. Your words:
"I don't need to read their "evidence" to know they are wrong. They will never try to falsify their own theory".
What that's saying about you is basically that you will never try to falsify YOUR own view of how you think the world works so you don't "need" to look at the evidence cause you're already in your ignorant little box.
Didn't I just hear that from somewhere?
goenisse 9 months ago 19
@goenisse I admit my wording was poor, perhaps I should have wrote: "The evidence that conspiracy theorists present is typically so flimsy and easily falsifiable that I get tired of being asked to look at it. " The particular theorist I am speaking of is a 9/11 truther and all his arguments are so ridiculous that if I keep looking at "evidence" my head might explode.
williamginsa 9 months ago
@williamginsa Well believe whatever you want to, it's your god forsaken right. But I do disagree with you about that what they are presenting are easily falsifiable. I'm getting the feeling that you havn't really looked at it... but what do I know, you should know better than me if you have or havn't.
Just curious, ever looked at any of the "Architectural & Engineering for 9/11 truth" with over 1500 of these professionals questioning and challenging the official story?
/watch?v=BkinEMiNVe8
goenisse 9 months ago
@goenisse That is the latest video my coworker asked me to look at, there are over one million architects and engineers in the US, 1500 of them is less than one percent of one percent. When 99.99 percent of the experts in their field do not feel the need to call for further investigation or challenge the accepted explanation then neither do I.
williamginsa 9 months ago
Those who wrote the report say there should be another, real investigation, 6 of the 10 commissioners say the report is massively lacking, where its not outright lies. If you take youre cue from what others believe, youd see a real investigation is a no brainer.
Lies do not become truth by force of multiplied propagation, truth does not become false just because nobody sees it. you follow the heard at the cost of independent, critical thinking. Whose job is it to think for yourself?
wearechangenorwich 9 months ago
@williamginsa Well many are very closed minded and don't feel like it's necessary to look at it cause this conspiracy theory "is just nonsens of course" and then you dismissing it with reflex action. Then I also believe that there's many more of them that do agree with this, but don't dare to go public with it cause it can affect their career and reputation.
But that's just me. Believe what ever you want to, I'm not trying to convert you. I personally though like that have an open mind :)
goenisse 9 months ago
Respond to this video... (continued) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and conspiracy theorists consistently DO NOT provide it, therefore I do not feel the need to examine the minute inconsistencies (usually anomalous data points, or things that are easily written off as coincidence) that they discover about some event and instantly present (without due diligence) as proof of their wild claim... Better?
williamginsa 9 months ago
@goen Good Point
Every time a denier speaks up, they provide more examples of this backward-thinking anti-logic
This is what the two psychologists, and this entire video + analysis demonstrates over and over again, everything they throw at conspiracy realists is 180 degrees wrong and actually applies precisely to themselves, the real deniers, only they don't even see this glaring, self-evident fact, including the shrinks - who can't think at all, like the feeble minded unthinkers at DEMOS.
wearechangenorwich 9 months ago
@wearechangenorwich Yeah you are obviously insane.
thesparitan 8 months ago
Evidence is key. Every word you wrote there is directly and precisely applicable to the conspiracy theory denier, you'd only know that if you looked at the evidence.
On conspiracy deniers, Hitler wrote "In the simplicity of their minds, people more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie.. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and continue to think that there may be some other explanation.”
And he would know.
wearechangenorwich 9 months ago 4
@williamginsa We all hate conspiracy theorist, they ruin the political discourse with there delusional thinking.
thesparitan 8 months ago
This is great, is the same not true of the official conspiracy theory?
If the theory is able to be proven false, then you, or the government or Cass Sunstein might consider providing info that proves it, as 9/11 truth has. Thing is, government didn't even provide evidence to prove their own theory actually happened, they even stick to the 19 hijackers, despite some turning up alive. They didn't even provide the Taliban, or the world, any evidence Bin Laden did it!
So wrong you're almost right.
wearechangenorwich 8 months ago
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SunUp08 7 months ago
So true. I don't know how people don't see through the cracks. But the fact is it's easier to believe what your government says. If you don't, then you're opening yourself up to a whole new world. And that thought is very daunting. So people will want to stay exactly where they are and put their fingers in their ears.
A real truthseeker will look at both sides of the argument and then go from there. I did. And what I found was truly very very scary. And it gets worse.
SunUp08 7 months ago
@SunUp08
Have you ever heard of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy?
l3lip 5 months ago
@l3lip I have. A conspiracy theory is just that... a theory. The word 'conspiracy' is used to make theorists sound like nutjobs. But then we could say that the WMD 'theory' in Iraq was nothing more than conspiracy theory and that our leaders should be labelled as expressing cognitive dissonance. I'm afraid cognitive dissonance can work both ways. The thing is, conspiracies arise when Govts are continuously found to lying, stretching the truth, and the media is not doing the job of discernment.
SunUp08 5 months ago
@SunUp08
Erm, no. WMD in Iraq was not a *conspiracy* theory, it was being disputed by investigators and whatnot (still is, to this day).
Conspiracy theories are theories that attempt to explain something because it can't accept that the cause could have such a large effect (e.g. you can't accept that it was Islamic fundamentalist on 9/11, it had to be something more sinister).
Message me for those studies.
l3lip 5 months ago
@l3lip Ha! Dude, I used to believe it was Islamic fundamentalists on 9/11. When 9/11 happened I was one of those people screaming for the US to go in there and get 'Al Qaeda' IMMEDIATELY. However, many holes appeared. I was in University, I talked to many professors of political science on the subject, did my own fact finding, read books on both sides of the debate, and I made my own decision using my own brain and not the brain of BBC, CNN and goodness forbid Fox News.
SunUp08 5 months ago
@SunUp08
And your professors concluded with conspiracy theories? I highly doubt that.
Furthermore, your stances are irrelevant -- it always bugs me when people state "I used to believe this and now I'm this and therefore I'm right." So what? It neither proves the evidence or the contentions of your current position (of which you've provided *no* evidence for, by the way).
I've asked you to PM me about studies about the psychology against your position, which makes me extremely...
l3lip 5 months ago
@l3lip And just for the record, please don't attempt to explain the psychology of someone you don't know, and I won't do the same for you. I'm not trying to convince people of anything. Peace out.
SunUp08 5 months ago
@SunUp08
skeptical that you care much for objective analysis (contrary to what you state), since science (the best method to understanding the physical world [hopefully this isn't a contestable point]) has something to state about the issue and you don't care much for it. You claim the high ground in terms of objectivity, but your actions state otherwise.
And of course "conspiracy" is a pejorative label, when did I ever assert that it *wasn't*...?
l3lip 5 months ago
@l3lip Here's the deal. I've done my research, which includes fact based research, there are many alternative views out there, find them for yourself, I don't feel the need to provide a youtuber with any evidence. You can believe what you want, as will I, as will anyone. I don't prescribe to your ideas or your psychological philosophies, as you don't prescribe to mine, and for your info, one of my professors was a man in his 80s who actually taught about 'invisible govt' and the 'nwo.'
SunUp08 5 months ago
@SunUp08
You state that you've done "all this research" and that you still care about objective truth, but you've yet to PM me about the studies I've seen about the psychological nature of conspiracy theorists. Now, which one is it? What you say (that you care about truth) or what you do (no PM and thus, no care for the other side's opinions)?
l3lip 5 months ago
@SunUp08
"I don't prescribe to your ideas or your psychological philosophies"
-- Oh, no way? Come on... it's not *mine*, it's the scientific *consensus*. Why do you think that the most elite scientists (NSF RAS) of the western world don't spend their time investigating these theories? Because-there-is-no-evidence.
And I find it extremely facetious that you advise me to read some of these documents. What makes you believe that I'll reach the same conclusions as you? Because I've...
l3lip 5 months ago
@l3lip Read them, why not read other people's views? Just because they don't appear on CNN, Fox News and MSNBC on a daily basis? Oh, and the Project for a New American Century is actually written by American Politicians - it's not a document written by so called 'conspiracy theorists' it's written by them and if you care to read their document, you may see the big picture. But if all you can do is retaliate in that fashion then i see no point in carrying this exchange any further.
SunUp08 5 months ago
@SunUp08
Dude, what are you spewing on about? When did I ever state that people who aren't *conspiracy* theorists can't be guilty of cognitive dissonance? You build up straw-men and claim victory after you beat them to pulps...
As for your claims on the MIC and "evil govt's", state your arguments and the evidence in favor of them. I'm open to change, but the core reason I don't buy this theories is because of how well these institutions operate. You seriously believe...
l3lip 5 months ago
@l3lip Read the project for the New American Century - Rebuilding America's Defenses, go to a library and rent out a book called Pawns in the Game by William Guy Carr (also freely available online). Read William Blum's 'Rogue State', listen to Myron C Fagan, listen to speeches by JFK, Dwight Eisenhower, read George Orwell's 1984, Read Aldous Huxley's 'A Brave New World.' Educate yourself on American Foreign Policy. After that, take a look at the world you live in.
SunUp08 5 months ago
@SunUp08
read most of the studies and books you cite. The entire point here is that if you're trying to convince somebody of the other side to reach your conclusions, then list out your premises, your bases for those, and the conclusion you therefore reach. Don't ask somebody to investigate premises and come to their own conclusion (again, the NTS fallacy here).
Furthermore, I don't care much for those "architects and engineers for truth". It's the same concept with the petition...
l3lip 5 months ago
@l3lip Of course you should do your own research and find your own premises. Why should I do the work for you? I did mine. That's rather lazy of you. NTS fallacy?? Haha, that can be applied to you too. William Blum, author or "Roge State", worked in the State Department, with former CIA officers and is now a Journalist and writes extensively on American Foreign Policy.
SunUp08 5 months ago
@l3lip You say you "don't care much for those "architects and engineers for truth". Why is that? Can't you bring yourself to listen to alternative 'scientific' theories? Surely, it's the job of a critical thinker to look at both sides equally instead of "I don't care much for it" nonsense. It's funny, because Galileo was deemed a heretic by the establishment for stating that the Earth is not the centre of the galaxy. And you think we've moved on a great deal since then?
SunUp08 5 months ago
@SunUp08
Oh, btw, about Galileo: Copernicus was actually the first one to propose that the solar system was helio-centric, not geo-centric. Galileo came on later to affirm this theory but look at what occurred because of it: house arrest by the church. He and scientists like him were restricted to base their conclusions in church theology or else. You see none of that (oh wait, they're conspirators in a bigger plot) with most scientists today.
l3lip 5 months ago
@l3lip "Don't ask somebody to investigate premises and come to their own conclusions"??? Wow, well would you like me to read them for you and to conclude for you too?? Lol. No worries, Fox News can conclude for you. If you ever feel like investigating and coming to your own conclusions however, let me know, I can recommend some reading from people who are very well placed to disseminate such views.
SunUp08 5 months ago
@SunUp08
that Bush could pull off 9/11 without a *single* leak? That he, who couldn't land a helicopter in the SuperDome, would be able to pull something off as elaborate as 9/11? Again, there's no evidence for your position whatsoever.
l3lip 5 months ago
@l3lip Lol, you're right, Bush is a total idiot that probably couldn't wipe his own ass. However, for those who are privy to who and what is really behind Presidents and Prime Ministers realise all too well that Heads of States are merely puppets. Bush was nothing but a puppet, and a very bad one at that. But you have to look behind the facade to see what the real agenda is, and that means opening your mind to some very horrific realities. Anyways, it's up to you what to believe dude. Take care.
SunUp08 5 months ago
@SunUp08
of 400 biology Professors who don't accept Evolution. So what if there's a minute minority where the majority is correct, most of the time (i.e. science)?
Take a nat'l poll of architects, engineers, etc who believe that 9/11 was a cover-up and you'll find that the painstakingly unequivocal consensus contradicts your position.
You seem like a nice (and intelligent) fellow, but very, very misguided.
l3lip 5 months ago
@l3lip Lol. I'm no fellow. Interesting diatribe. I've read from all sources. It's up to you if you want to read about American Foreign Policy or not. I have. Most scientists are on the gravy train and are nothing more than repeaters. We'll have to agree to disagree. And I disagree very strongly with your preconceived views, as you do with my views. Thank You.
SunUp08 5 months ago
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@SunUp08
Erm, what happened to "take care"? A bit insecure about something?
"Most scientists are on the gravy train and are nothing more than repeaters."
"misguided by the education system and the popular mainstream media."
"Just because they don't appear on CNN, Fox News and MSNBC on a daily basis?"
That and more. I've wasted enough time "arguing" with you; you don't bother to read my contentions, so I'm not going to waste mine read yours after this.
l3lip 5 months ago
@l3lip It is you who is misguided, misguided by the education system and the popular mainstream media. Taje the red pill for a change. Or enjoy the New World Order, cuz they sure do enjoy screwing 'the citizens' where the sun don't shine.
SunUp08 5 months ago
@SunUp08
And that was a typo; I was inquiring why you could possibly think that simply because you asked somebody to reach "their own conclusion" with premises you provide will reach *your* conclusion.
You've yet to PM me about those studies. You state that scientists are "repeaters" (except for those who fit your worldview) and you prejudge me as not having read what you cite.
Again, full of holes and fallacies.
We're done here. I know now not to contend with intellectual pariahs like you.
l3lip 5 months ago
@l3lip Lol, I'm as much an intellectual pariah as you are. And still you refuse to educate yourself. ;-)
SunUp08 5 months ago
@l3lip I never said that you would reach 'my' conclusion either. I said read and then see what you think. But all you could do is retaliate with babble. So yeah, we're most certainly done.
SunUp08 5 months ago
@l3lip Oh, and in addendum, as with cognitive dissonance, that can always be turned around to say that 'conspiracy' phobics can't accept that the powers that be (govts, military industrial complex, corporations, banks) might want to hold on to their power and might want to keep their pockets lined and may actually do some ruthless, horrible things. Oh, and conspiracy is a pejorative label. Look it up.
SunUp08 5 months ago
@l3lip In addition, check out what many engineers and architects have to say about 9/11 at AE911Truth. org and also what many pilots have to say at pilotsfor911truth. org have to say.
SunUp08 5 months ago
@williamginsa Yes yes I know that "I don't need to read their "evidence" to know they are wrong." was a stupid thing to post... I should have said something like "every time I examine their "evidence" it crumbles until the most basic level of scrutiny...
williamginsa 8 months ago
@williamginsa They are very often a certain personality type. Some are gullible, and some just not well. Having done a bit of work in mental health, you can find many there. They make up for their lack of understanding of the world with puedoscience, which can fit ANY situation. They are often not a happy bunch and quite angry, and blame something 'unseen', for their failings.
The internet is allowed by the people who are out to use and supress them, the paradox. They are stupid AND paranoid!!
amemy1 8 months ago
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TheLasVegasElite 7 months ago
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@williamginsa You have zero clue and have zero education about the real world, sooner you and people like you are off this planet, the sooner this world will move on and there will be peace. Now fuck off
TheLasVegasElite 7 months ago
@williamginsa all i can say after reading your statements is wow what a dumbass
heyassmanx 6 months ago
Be it mocking ufo reports or any paranormal events the establisment wheel out French or even worse that Susan Blackmore to prop up their established dogma .
permaveg 9 months ago
As usual ickes biggest critics are those that have never even read one of his books, time and time again and again when i confront critics on YT i ask what books have you read of his you get the same answer, none ! They hear a few comments or a line or two and thats it , judged and found guilty, incredible ignorance it seems. Wearechangennorwich , your comments made me laugh! French is a septic sceptic by the way,and no match for ickes integrity as this film showed.
permaveg 9 months ago
Geez, I thought those two were gonna get into a fist fight for a second there.
rji 9 months ago
lucky for french he didn't, as the wannabe shrink would likely have accidentally knocked himself out while icke watched in bemusement.
wearechangenorwich 9 months ago
If some people spent half as much energy forming thier beliefs as they do defending them, the world would be a very different place.
CreamPie9uy 10 months ago
Even with the annotations turned off, this guy seems to be nothing more than a confused psychologist.
Its hilarious and tragic irony when the psychologist is the one who needs therapy.
CoronaMage 10 months ago 2
HAHAAHAHAHAHA XD THAT GUY GOT OWNED BY DAVID!!!!!
randomhalofan292 10 months ago
Talking with this "psychologist" is as fruitful as debating a 3 year old on the merits of eating fruits and veggies over cheeseburgers and pop tarts. The guy is a mental and spiritual child.
VoteLib3rty 10 months ago
I think Icke is nuts. However the guy with glasses needs to research "the washington consensus", the dictatorships the USA fund for its elites (operation ajax, operation condor in latin america ) and the distribuation of wealth in the world. With views like his no wonder he needs glasses.
Mikeofdundee1987 11 months ago
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david icke is a liar and a freemason plz believe that HOLD THE FUCKING BOOK UP SIDE DOWN WHY IS HE USING THE SERPANT A EVIL MASONC DEMON EATING IT SELF WHY IF HE IS AGAI NST HIDDEN SYMBOLISM DOES HE USE IT HIMSELF COS HES PART OF THE DECEPTION BELIEVE
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erazerhedd911 11 months ago
@DICTATExTHExPACE the guy's a piece of shit, and it's to make Icke look bad is what a hitpiece is. It made Icke look better though.
ieatorbs 11 months ago
there is no such thing as conspiracy theories. there are only facts, logic, reason, and sensibility. there is no such thing as conspiracy theories. that is misinformation.
soccerskilj 11 months ago
Conspiracies are wrong because
1. they always appear an event as happened, if they were so right, why didn't anyone conspire before it happened? or even know? if thousands were involved some would sputter out everything
2 conspiracies are inconsistent with each other and sometimes reject views on some conspiracies. they occur immediately after an event as happened.
3when the government lies, its a lie. not a conspiracy. there were times where the government is caught lying but then gets out.
Forman6 1 year ago
anyone belives for one second that the powers that be care about you must be insane...
remarkablebboy 1 year ago
This is ridiculous. We don't believe in conspiracies because we want too. It's because alot of it is simply true. Just open your eyes and see the symbolism everywhere. Study history and see it unfold again before your eyes. Undermine authority and your whole basis of reality. You will see that the world is not as complex and uncomprehensible as we are led to believe. Nope, every complex matter can be tracked back to a very simple basis. And you are fooled if you believe otherwise.
nielss4 1 year ago
The guy David is talking to is a primo turd. This was a hitpeice.
ieatorbs 1 year ago 2
@ieatorbs Primo turd, what the fuck does that mean? you know fuck all mate... answer this, wt7 fell in under 10 seconds.... it was 49 stories high!
DICTATExTHExPACE 11 months ago
Wow that guy is insane! How exactly DO you debunk somebody when you can't even complete a whole sentence coherently OR EVEN read what they have written first!!! And the voiceover at the end, blatant programming.
GuitarGirlWA 1 year ago
He basically just asked Icke "hey man, do you think you're crazy?" and then was shocked that Icke got a little irked by that.
123gwf 1 year ago
Lol David Icke pwned that guy!
BandakaKush 1 year ago
sorry Mr. French but THAT was pathetic.
shackle5 1 year ago
1 man wants to justify why the worlds a social shit hole. the other man wants to justify why he cares.
kingkennyreturns 1 year ago
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He pissed off Dave. =/
Dezaru 1 year ago
The interviewer is correct in more ways than he can comprehend
The US Governments version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory so wild, bizarre & far-fetched that Bush et al must laugh themselves to sleep at night, wondering how they ever managed to persuade the public to believe it
It would seem that Derren Brown's TV series is all about telling people how they are hypnotized & affected by subliminal suggestion. However, people think it is just entertainment & don't really get the real message
explorer2101 1 year ago
goverments and institutions cover up most of the material evidence proving the conspiracies as well, lol icke is my hero
freshtilldeath78 1 year ago
when a the fireman and the women heard the explosives going of in the bulding before it tottally callapsed which were close to the ground floor, that to me is plain edidence , you listen to the people who were there at the time for starters.there is overwelming edidence to say 911 was plotted but not by who you were told to believe.but your own governments are to blame .
desmondalexander 1 year ago
@desmondalexander
Indeed. We live in a world where people are hypnotised by the media to always believe the official line, however ridiculous it might prove to be
As you indicate, most people believe what their government, or the so-called experts say, even when it contradicts actual observations by real people
This dependency starts in the education system, where one's actual observations & those of others, are totally disregarded & dismissed, in favour of the power system
explorer2101 1 year ago
@explorer2101
RIGHT, the establishment that lives and governs in the real world, and has
defeated the German Imperial Empire, the Japanese Imperial Empire, the
Third Reisch, the Communist countries, and destroyed 30 communist
nations over the last 40 years, is hypnotised by the media.
Not you on the internet. YOU are the one hypnotized by the media, Dumbshit.
NOT the US establishment, That's why your grandma relies on THEIR
check to live, and NOT yours.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5
Those who own the media & the banks own the governments
TIP:
Someone so dumb would be well advised to keep their insults to themselves, as it only demonstrates a distinct lack of intellect, reasoning or basic respect for others
explorer2101 1 year ago
@explorer2101
Right, an establishment that's destroyed every empire and kingdom it's ever gone up against is owned by some Bankers. O yeah, that's not delusional, LMAO.
Seems every time you scratch an Idiot Truther, you end up with another JOOOO hating, semi nazi brownshirt that thinks everybody is out to get him.
WE, the US establishment, is NOT out to get you or control you.
WE, the US establishment, is out to IGNORE you.
That's what really pisses you off, isn't it?
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
"the man is talking crap mate"...i love that xD
mitsos512 1 year ago
david icke did him self no favours in that video...
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londonsteve 1 year ago
haha david icke is a legend
masacrist 1 year ago
it seems science these days is more like religion. create a hypothesis and find data to back it up.
allin1readerwriter 1 year ago
Ive been thinking about this idea of "Alienation" from the rest of society recently... What is there to conform to in society? Patriotism, Religion, Dumbed down TV, Consumerism... This breeds intellectual materialism, people get indoctrinated into the culture that only serves to perpetuate keeping elitists in power while we passively accept the dehumanizing values and become mere robots. Conspiracy theories are automatically put into the fringe lunatic section and condemned without investigation
aiiiunluckykid 1 year ago
@aiiiunluckykid its also ironic in society that it seems socially acceptable for people to believe that a guy 2000 years ago rose from the dead, psychics can contact your dead father and predict the future... but if you come out talking about how a group of elitists are trying to take over the world...OH NO..THATS CRAZY!
aiiiunluckykid 1 year ago
@aiiiunluckykid Exactly, the problem is: People don't base their believes off of data, statistics, evidence and personal thoughts. They just look at what the television says, or church and think whatever it says must be true.
DreamvoidStudios 1 year ago
How can u practice psychologie without practicing philosophie.
Metatronicus 1 year ago
Icke never met a conspiracy theory that he didn't like. This alone erodes his credibility before one even begins to challenge the specifics. This, of course, is lost on "true believers" who would really benefit from medical intervention or perhaps, an education.
tittlemouse1969 1 year ago
In reality one never can challenge the specifics - just the character of one of the messengers, as seen in this propaganda, and your comment
Unfortunately, an education didn't save these shrinks from psychological disorders. Did you notice this program did not dare tackle any evidence whatsoever, and had to employ lies & deception in order to falsly imply that the shrinks are themselves mentally sound, justified and correct.
Nazis liked Medical intervention for political dissidents too.
wearechangenorwich 1 year ago 7
@wearechangenorwich He would have more credibility if he didn't support so many conspiracy theories: reptilians, aliens, JFK, 9/11...., and claim to be the son of god, predicting the end of the world. He sees patterns where they do not exist. He is a paranoid delusional individual. NOTHING is random. Shall we go down the rabbit hole chasing every one of his absurd assertions? The fact that this has to be explained to you is troubling. A conspiracy nut has abandoned all genuine skepticism.
tittlemouse1969 1 year ago
@tittlemouse1969 Your last statement about "A conspiracy 'nut' (disparaging remark) has abandoned to all genuine skepticism. Actually they are more skeptic and critical thinkers in my experience with people than the average person that watches dancing with the stars, american idol and so forth. Conspracies do happen, that is why there is Federal/State Laws against the act, a theory is just a theory-a thesis without empirical data.Whether either side is true, is something we must investigate
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monkeysinmypocket 1 year ago
@wearechangenorwich A psychologist is not a 'shrink'.
monkeysinmypocket 1 year ago
So does wearechange also believe Icke's theory that there are reptillians walking amonst us as well. If your so quick to back Mr. Icke then you must not think there is a slight possibility he is maybe... an unstable person. It seemed to me that Icke was getting upset because the interviewer was starting to explain to him how he could be mentally unstable, it seems Icke is also afraid of that. Just a free thinkers opinion, I never claim anything for certain, and I'm open to anything.
Johnsonville87 1 year ago
@wearechangenorwich
Oh Please, get off your Conspiracy Rocking Horse.
The psychology of Conspiracy theorists is a known segment of brain damage, and there are SEVERAL psychological diseases that BEGIN with the "Angels coming to get me!", "Demons coming to get me!", Etc.