I dunno, you BELIEVE there isn't a god. The athiest's main focus to metaphysics, supernatural, and morals is that it's all an illusion (give or take). There also is a symbol for athiest, it one they put on the graves of athiests.
All this videos proves is its uniqueness and obvious difference between... oh say, Theism (Polytheism, Monotheism, etc). Also, assuming that all atheist rely on science and philosophy to understand existence, then the difference between scientific and philosophical theories would be considered the schisms of Athiesm.
Oh, and scientific theories have a demonstrable hypothesis that makes reliable predictions, has been through as pear review system and published in a journal, it is a body of work encompassing many facts to explain how something works like a system or process, using the word 'theory' in context of science is fine, but then slapping it next to philosophy in the same context is just insulting, not to mention just plain wrong!.
The video just shows the contrast between Atheism and Theism.
"I don't have faith that atheism is true, that doesn't even make sense! " It does when you see it from a third person perspective: as far as that person is concerned both the principles of Atheists (1st) and Theists (other 1st) believe in their doctrine, philosophy, etc.
But as far as both sides are concerned, they KNOW they're right and the other is wrong.
says the uncreative primate that believes in evolution. i guess you must be the unevolved specie that has limited reasoning and reacts like an animal. im wondering why you didnt "evolve" into a better human being. didnt you learn that the use of foul language is rude, ill mannered, proves your ignorance and lack of education. decent beings know how to control their emotions, and are not angry. plus, you used wikipedia (very lazy) and religion is too abstract to be singularly defined. peace
Ha!!, says the guy that said this "im wondering why you didnt "evolve" into a better human being.", firstly it is "didn't", not "didnt", secondly, individual creatures don't evolve, they pass on there genes and through the frequency of those specific traits evolution happens over successive generations!.
Secondly, laguage isn't foul or not foul, it simply is!. whether something iw foul or not foul is mearely subjective.
If you knew anything at all about Etymology, you would know that the 'f' word is derived from a 5'th century gemanic word (from the tribe ofthe goth's) meaning "to trust". A century later the meaning "to copulate" was added, so what you actually have is a word that means to copulate with someone you trust. This is actual;ly quite a beautiful word in it's inception, but like most gehlic, nordic, saxon and celtic words, ...
...they have a harsh overtone. The french nobles decreed that certain words where not pleasnt when England was invaded, hence where the ideas of profanity comes from. Common misconceptions are that the 'f' word comes from the witch burnings 'fornication under consent of the king' (or something very similar) the second most common misconception is that it comes from the rape file of old Scotland yard (for unlawful carnal knowledge. all wrong of course.
if you want to sound like a un uneducated brat, that is fine by me. there is more to just than the plain simple "meaining" of a word and its origin. break everything down and you will always come to a conclusion that everything contains energy. that is why some places give a peaceful vide and others give off a bad vibe. same with words, pictures, and people.
relgion is abstract, casue you may view as a noun while others view it as a noun. plus real numbers state 4 billion people are religious.
"f you want to sound like a un uneducated brat, that is fine by me."
Swearing shows no bearing on the person at all, the content of their argument is what matters, anyone that has half a brain knows this you fucking imbecile!.
"break everything down and you will always come to a conclusion that everything contains energy. "
That's true!.
"that is why some places give a peaceful vide and others give off a bad vibe."
"Vide" isn't a word! and no that's not why we get different feelings in different environments, it is about our subjective exper9inece!. for instance, you might hate the word FUCK\, I might like it, it is subjective!.
are you seriously using a typo against me. man that is lame. 4 billion believers vs 2 billion undefined or atheists. you just admited religion is abstract. religion, more than a belief and label is a way of life. being honest, being kind, resisiting impure thoughts, maintaining a healthy body, being clean, helping others, being modest, seeking truth. refraining from using foul language, even if it is subjective.
thus atheism is a religion because it is a belief that god does not exist. belief in religion is nothing without the practice. like xtians going to church on sundays, like muslims going to the masjid of fridays, the sabath. aside from that, xtians and muslims give food and clothes to the poor. most religions encourage one to be honest. i dont what atheism benefits society with it, can anybody inform me? just because religion is perfect doesnt make the followers perfect. r u perfect?
Are you ignorant on purpose? The definition of atheism is not believing in something. I mean if you are christian atheist of the Muslim, Mormon, Islamic, Hindu, Buddha, Shinto, Greek, and Viking religions. Does this mean you have 9 religions including Christianity? No. Of course not.
'thus atheism is a religion because it is a belief that god does not exist. belief in religion is nothing without the practice.'
Man I like how you simultaneously say it's a religion and then prove yourself wrong
Atheists have no common universal practice, and if and individual does have some kind of 'practice' then it's fine because atheism is defined by the individual as long as he doesn't believe in a supreme being. It's completely different than believing there isn't one. Believing in something requires nothing to exist in a proven state, while not believing in something requires that it has to be proven to exist. If you can understand that with your indoctrinated mind then be my guest.
no no. like i said, religion is the belief and the pracitice. you believe there is no God. that is still a belief. cant prove there isnt. you live your life with the thought of God in your actions. so it is a religion, very undefined. maybe some atheists are good people and do charity because they understand that is logical and beneficial, maybe some are just uneducated pricks. just cause we dont share the same ideas on God, whose to say i have a better chance of entering heaven than you?
The only thought about god that enters my mind as well as many atheists is "How the hell can people still believe in imaginary things?" Me being an atheist doesn't require anymore thought about god then it does the magical pink unicorn. Even if I did think about god all the time it wouldn't be about praise or worship for him. He would just be me thinking about why he is imaginary. So in what way does this relate to a religion? Atheism has no characteristics of a religion therefor it is not one.
evidence will only achieve a limted understanding, but God is perfect, so perfect that you may only understand one logic of God instead of understanding like how God would see. example. say you are a very carefull person and one day you happen to drop your wallet. you lose your wallet, something rare, but the wallet you lost could be punishment, at the same time, the person who found the wallet is tested in giving it back or stealing the money.
I will disagree with this on a personal level. Just look at all the achievements of mankind based on science, and education that require evidence to be set into practice. We've almost increased the average life expectancy of mankind by threefold. We've been into outer space, and landed on the moon. We can pick up a telephone and talk to anyone on the planet with a similar device, and me and you can have this discussion about it on youtube. What does god have on that?
Atheism cannot benefit society in the way you are speaking of, but if you look at it as what have atheists benefited society with than the list outnumbers religion 1 million to 1. In the times of the rule of religion the average lifespan was somewhat 28 years. Now it's 80 some years and this can be contributed majorly to atheist scientists. That's just one minor thing.
Yeah religions might give out clothes, but they are clothes synthetically developed by scientists so they are cheap enough.
Don't see how that really matters, it makes people more tolerable, but it is hardly that important as long as they don't harm people.
"seeking truth"
HA HA!, Denying known facts like evolution, refusing to acknowledge the RNA world hypothesis, refusing to accept big bang - another fact, come on, theists are anything but on a quest for truth!.
"refraining from using foul language, even if it is subjective"
That last one is nothing at all, fuck fuck fuck!, ;p
but if you follow a doctrin set up by satan, then you are his follower. im just saying, i dont know exactly what you believe. but assuming from your reactions, you seem to motivated by hate.
We can't follow Satan because he is imaginary. Damn HOW IGNORANT ARE YOU CHRISTIANS? We don't believe in any of your stupid BS. Satan included so how can you say we follow Satan. We have a right to hate the shit you spew forth continuously. Always saying we are evil and follow some imaginary bs you make up in your own mind. If you want to say we follow Satan then prove this bastard exists and that he controls us somehow. JUST PROVE YOUR RELIGION. It's that simple.
there is soo much evidence around you but you fail to see it, you fail to understand it. i could bring you a years worth of evidence and the chances might that you will still not believe, a miracle could happen before your eyes and you wouldnt accept it as a miracle. you want the proof, go find it yourself.
Where is the evidence? I've looked. In fact I probably know the bible better then you do. Honestly hardly any Christians I run into knows the bible other then the parts that get quoted all the time in churches. Including old and new testaments, and the left out books that are available.
Actually a miracle would be a good way to prove god. If he wanted me to believe in him all he'd have to do is perform a miracle right in front of my eyes. Something that is not scientifically explainable.
I'd convert on the spot if this happened. Now don't get me wrong you pull up some biblical reference to a miracle and I'll just laugh at you. The bible is not proof of anything, and has been proven wrong on almost all accounts of when it trys to explain something with scientific acuity. For example, flat earth, earth is the center of the universe, and the age of the universe/earth. This is enough to prove that your god is fake. A perfect being couldn't be wrong about such things.
Really I find it funny you would say uneducated atheist. When in all actuality Christians are actually uneducated especially when they try and prove god based on biblical references that have been proven scientifically wrong.
And you definitely can't claim the moral high ground when you make up the majority of jail and prison populations in America. Over 90% of inmates are christian while less then 1% are atheist.
hold on. you think im xtian. no dude. im muslim, convert. i dont think a specific was actually in the origins of the discussion, but yes i do strongly agree with you about the bible and its inaccuracies relating science. just because statistics say 90% are xtian, that dont mean they are PRACTICING XTIANS. its like saying muslims are terrorists. maybe some so called muslims maybe terrorist, but Islam is peace, and any muslim instigating is astray from the religion.
Well that explains something. I have some respect for you now.
That may be true to some extent but the christian religion is one of forgiveness, and our prisons and jails hold mass on Sundays and give out bibles. Many inmates believe in god and go through such practices during their time there. As long as they didn't commit one of the 7 deadly sins of their religion then they can be forgiven and considered as practicing the religion.
thank you. however, my opnion shouldnt be taken as valid, but going to church on sundays and saying one believe is not enough. xtians go by the idea that before you die you truly regret what you have done you will be allowed into heaven. i seriously doubt that cuz anybody who has been sining to their last breath will not be able to feel regret. plus GOD is the most forgiving, i dont think there is a sin God will not forgive.
dead on. except that GOD didnt write the bible. the bible is a book with some parts that may contain a true revelation from God, some things inspired, it has some history, some stories, some fables, some peverse stuff as well like incest and stuff. take "st:" paul, the dude didnt even meet Jesus and he wrote more books than any other prophet or messenger.
Yes that is according to your religion but in their religion the bible is the word of god written by god through mortals, so really it's a great means to proving them wrong for atheists.
I have little knowledge of the Koran or your religion though, so I wouldn't be able to pick apart any arguments of science with it.
my intention is not to convert you, because i have no contorl over such matters and the decision is always yours. i can clear some of the misunderstandings. but when i was a hardcore catholic i hated science, ever since i became a muslim i love science. youtube quran and science. you will find many videos explaning the expansion of stars, formation of clouds, embryology etc. but there are videos against it as well, some very convincing but not enough to argue 1400 yrs ago someone had an idea.
If Muslims love science so much why will they only accept something that is supported in the Quran (or they think it is), Evolution is a known, observed fact, yet Muslims refuse to accept it!. The RNA world hypothesis that explains how life came from none living matter, Muslims don't wanna know!.
its quite sad how there seems to be only, you, defending for yourself and swamping the comments with you kindergarten intelligence and if your only method to refute arguments you can not logically defend and resort that it is "rubbish", i might as well say that your looks is parallel to your boldness and the lack of results to a lack of intelligence. not quite the point. Muslims accept evolution like flies to agent orange. only within certain limits and condition can being evolve and adapt.
Er, I am a highly educated individual, sorry, but your adhoms just won't wash with me!.
Rubbish is the short hand, your religion speaks for it self!. I 'm not stating that suicide bombers are the majority of Muslims, they clearly aren't, yes, I believe that most Muslims are peaceful individuals that embrace love and respect, BUT that is NOT what their and your religion teaches!, saying anything else is nothing but a lie!.
My boldness is in reaction to years of theological d sociological study.
"Muslims accept evolution like flies to agent orange. only within certain limits and condition can being evolve and adapt"
From that statment I can clearly tell that you clearly don't understand what evolution is, you don't know how irrefutable the evidence is for evolution and you have no idea just how many Muslims deny Evolution
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate you, I think I probably like you more than most theists, but your problem is one of ignorance, ignorance of your own religion!.
I implore you to read your Qu'ran and the hadiths, take asnother look at Sharia law and make an honest judgement!.
I shall be making a video called "THE DISGRACE WITHIN THE QU'RAN". I shall be highlighting all the things that cause me concern and you will have the opportunity to reply, fair deal?
i dont think i need to tell you how many, because EVERY muslim will deny evolution in the sense we came from monkeys, believeing we come from the Prophet Adam is not to be taken entirely and heavily as a scientific stament, but as a spiritual stament, that acknowledging such origins one believes that one is a creation from God swt and so is everything around that person, wether that being acknowledges it as well.
Yea, news flash sparky, god didn't write the Quran aether!, if he did he wouldn't have made so many mistakes with the language and clear fallacies about the human body, cosmology and many other mistakes!.
lets take another stance. lets say you are an atheist who does what is logically correct. you find a wallet you give it back. you help an old lady pick up her grocieries, you help the poor because you feel compasionate. refuse to drink alcohol because it kills brian neurons. now riddle me this, how difference is that atheist from a religious person?
Well if the religious person would do all of those things as well then the major difference is the atheist won't believe in god until it can be proven god exists, but being nice doesn't constitute a religion I mean we don't go around setting up religions based solely around a single charitable foundation because the donate money to the needy. Moral foundation is not required for a religion.
Atheism is not believing in god because evidence we have so far points to there not being a god.
I think it's the whole believe/don't believe that throws religious people off. Let me put it like this. Atheism is denying the possibility for the existence of supernatural beings or entities.
im sorry if i wasnt clear enough. religion is obviiously the belief, but the belief in fear God alone. some people go as far to say that one has to be scared of God, true, but only when you know you deserve to be punished, fear the punishment. some argue to say that i means to respect God. well PERSONALLy, i think it is a bit of both. a person who truly fears God, will not lie even if the end result is against him, why? out of fear or out of respect? doesnt really matter, the person is honest
I think I am misunderstanding you, but from what I read you are saying religion is the belief in fear of God? Then wouldn't this mean atheism is not a religion?
I can understand where you are coming from, but is there ever a time when it is more moral on a social level to lie to someone? Also why does anyone need ancient scriptures or a supreme being to have a moral standards or be honest?
Satan does not exist, if you feel differently then you should prove it, but since you can't and have no reasonable excuse for your belief, then it should be acknowledged that there is no such entity!.
"but assuming from your reactions, you seem to motivated by hate."
On the contrary, I am motivated by love!. I love science, I love freedom, I love people and want them to be honest with them selves and live a full happy live, not motivated by their own twisted faith!
whatever, same kind of lame evidence that allah is the moon god. try swearing during a job interview and see if you get the job. society follows rules and protocols, majority based on religious ideas and practices. so if you were a true atheist then you would be an anarchist. if atheism is the opposite of religion, then from my point of you view, your are a smelly, ugly, wrotten, loser, proud homosexual, ignorant satan. refuse to accept to god etc, etc, im not saying you are but if you
Lame evidence lol, pagan writings that pre-date Islam by thousands of years, with his three daughters, same names, written in the same order lol, come on!.
Nah, most modern societies operate under SECULAR ideals!.
Not really, you need it to be a religion otherwise you have absolutely nothing to argue about. As such it is a strawman you build up so you can feel good against arguing against a cause/religion when it actual fact what you are arguing about does not exist. When you claim there is a god and i say, i don't believe you, when does that turn into a religion. When you say Jesus died for our sins and i say bullshit, when does that turn into a religion?
Screwtime, where you even watching the video, I went into painful detail as to the meaning of the word religion and how Atheism does not conform to any known definition.
If Atheism is a religion then health is a disease!.
If Atheism is a religion then not playing golf is a sport
If Atheism is a religion then bald is a hair style.
If Atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby
And just as I anticipated, Joe, when I asked for a single "scholar" that disproved theism with a real valid & true argument, YOU could not list one! Russell, Nietzche, and the other "Great" agnostics never proved atheism or even grounded agnosticism. No scholar has ever proven anti-theism. Theism is logical. Atheism selfrefutes.
But, I am just pointing out another of your "FACTS" not in evidence that you keep claiming as though they are real. You must provide valid citations, not WIKI!!!
the point is moot, that was my point. I can name a whole host of intellectuals that refute claims made by theists, but that is not the same thing. I can no more disprove the existence of god as you can dismiss the existence of Odin, does that mean we should all be Odin agnostics?.
the question is not whether an Atheist can refute the existence of god, but whether we have good reason to believe there is a god!.
the history of the biblical cannon is about the most damning evidence I can give you
theism is anything but logical lol. It's most basic tenant is that there is an all powerful creator behind the universe. Most doctrines have this god (or gods) taking as personal interest in our daily lives and setting rules for us to follow. Most Religions that are theistic have some kind of afterlife as well.
Prove the above mate, I am not making the claim, you are!.
Atheism by it's very nature isn't a belief or a world view, it is a reaction to a belief or a world view. On that basis, why would there be arguments for it!. The whole idea is predicated on the idea that you are wrong lol, so naturally all Atheistic arguments are going to be refutations of Theistic ones...that's how this works!.
You are lying or you are a fool, Joe. NO, I pointed out TWO powerhouses of atheism one who defaulted to agnosticism in order to escape refutation and the other who acted as though science had refuted theism. BOTH were wrong and NEITHER presented a valid AND true argument refuting theism. YOU CANNOT NAME ONE SCHOLAR as NONE HAS EVER PRESENTED A VALID ARGUMENT THAT REFUTES THEISM IN at least 6000 years. PUT UP OR SHUT UP, dude. NAME ONE!!!
name one scholar that has refuted the bogey man, I dare you!. You don't need to support a negative claim, the strength of the argument is predicated on the weaknesses of the positive claim it is response to.
I could have referred to Russell, his tea pot argument says it all really, but I don't agree because I do believe that there is a celestial tea pot orbiting the sun, there are billions actually, here on earth ;p
Nietzche is someone who I just don't connect with on too many levels, this whole pit of eternal despair stuff is just stupid!. just because I know the song is going to end, does not mean I shan't be getting up to dance ;p
I actually connect with Nietzsche. He was the most consistent atheist. He really lived what he preached and really HONESTLY looked hard at the implications of atheism. NO GOD, no meaning in life. Your life is worthless in your world view. If you were right, in a million years, nothing you do and no one you know will have mattered at all. The universe will just die, and that's atheism, my friend.
so do most theists I have come across, but he said that God was dead, i say god never existed in the first place, he/she/it is a figment of the minds of barbarians that lived and died thousands of years ago and the dogma has stuck for many reasons!.
Actually it is quite the opposite!. At best this life is some insignificant preamble until the next life, at worst it shows that this life is pointless if god is omniscient!.
meaning is derived through the individual, not from an external source!.
No, Joe. Dude, YOU made the claim that there were millions. I ASKED you to name ONE. You have to prove your claim. I made NO CLAIM. I just called your hand. I will not continue as you can't name a single of the MILLIONS of scholars you claim exist. You must believe in global warming too. I won't post anymore on this subject. If you knew a real scholar who had, you would parade him around like all atheists would as the poster child for atheism. Atheism has no heros, no victors. We have Jesus!
No your trying to set the game to your advantage!. At no point did I state that there where scholars dedicated to proving gods none existence, you know and i know that is impossible! I corrected you by stating that there where millions of Atheist academics and intellectuals and many of them spend a lot of resources refuting theistic arguments!.
~joebot1 quote 'Atheist intellectual, there are millions upon millions!.'
At no point did I say that i would produce scholars that can disprove god!
Here's your point to which I responded!
'That is why no reasonable intellectual holds to atheism or hard agnosticism emphatically. They will choose theism or a soft agnosticism w/plausible deniability.'
Peter William Atkins, Bill Bass, Susan Blackmore, Sir Herman Bondi, Rodney Brooks, Francis Crick, Prabhir Ghosh, Stephen Jay Gould, Susan Greenfield, Charles Darwin, Thomas Huxley, Wade Davis, David Deutsch, Paul Ehrlich, Ed Fredkin, Alan Hale, Stephen Hawking, Douglas Hofstadter, Robert Jastrow, Melvin Konner, Richard Leakey, James Lovelock, John McCarthy, Jonathan Miller, Marvin Minsky, Rita Levi Montalcini, Hans Moravec,
Desmond Morris, Bill Nye, Paul Pfalzner, Steven Pinker, Vilayanur S. Ramachandran, Matt Ridley, Oliver Sacks, Carl Sagan, Robert Sapolsky, Eugenie Scott, Marie Skłodowska-Curie, Lee Smolin, James Watson, Peter Watts, Ian Wilmut, Edward O. Wilson, Lewis Wolpert
ChristianVoice08 - Stop creating your own little strawmen arguments. Even if you win them it won't prove a god or even increase the chance of him existing. Also stop referring to Athiesm as any more than a simple non belief in a god or deity, even if you found an outspoken representative of "athiesm" he would not represent me or any of my athiest friends. So therefore he would not be any kind of representative anyway. Just like your "Jesus" is not representative of all religious people.
Last point, I don't want to spam you. Joe, your channel page selfcontradicts. If you believe there is no God, THEN, there is no better & no best. Everything is the way it is. You have no grounds for morality. THere is no right & no wrong. You should do whatever you want. Forget us. You don't answer to us if there is no God. Build an army & take over like Philip did.
Build an army & take over like Philip did. There are no rules w/o God. You are not being consistent with your world view if you claim there is a better to be had!
I don't believe there is no god, I don't believe in your god, nor any god, nor any supernatural claim based on the lack of evidence and contradictions of data that ACTUALLY exists. Not to mention the claims are internally contradictory!.
your more than welcome to leave as much as you like on my channel, I am a proponent of free speech!.
I use empathy, logic and the metric that suffering is bad to gauge my morality. Not believing in YOUR god has nothing to do with how moral a person I am, nor anyone else!.
this is a REALLY old argument, how come you don't know you lost this one lol.
This video merely proves our arguments that atheism is religious and a religion. Nice try to restate most of our premises for us. Too bad you have to use WIKIPEDIA and not valid historical references for your definitions. But, this is the usual shoddy research and citation I am used to by those who deny my videos without answering or even being able to refute my arguments.
'This video merely proves our arguments that atheism is religious and a religion.'
Er...how, I take it you have proof for this, just stating something does not make it true!.
'you have to use WIKIPEDIA and not valid historical references for your definitions.'
history is IRRELEVANT!. Where talking about the definition of words!. I already stated that I used Wiki because I found that it happened to be the most expanded and complete definition of the word I was arguing against!.
your argument is irrelevant!. As i stated, if the word Atheist changes to not encompass what I define my self as, i shall simply change what I call my self, no harm, no foul!. I won't be crying like a little bitch at the definition like you are at this point!
the video I responded to was HORRENDOUS!. It makes erroneous claims about the origins of the universe, blanket assertions about abiogenesis (epic fail, /watch?v=1ji1LE-yE2A ) and showed a distracting amount of intellectual dishonesty!
The reason I simply posted my video to you and didn't give a full refutation is because I am still preparing it, but rest assured, I shall be getting to that soon!. I wonder if you will be honest enough and brave enough to accept my refutation and attach it to your video...well see!
JOE, COOL! Just be honest. You aren't a real atheist. As long as we agree on what you believe, fine. I am not telling you what to believe, but, I am stating historical and philosophical fact.
You also have to realize that you can provide NO evidence to support a claim that there is no God and if you want to say that He doesn't exist, you have 66 books to refute JUST To GET STARTED! Then you have to explain away my life and knowledge as well as 2000 years of human history.
That's a load of crap, Joe. Name one "scholar" who has properly refuted theism from history. You say everytime it was analyzed it was refuted...NAME ONE, Just one scholar from history and the name of his argument. Watch this folks.
Er, no you said name one Atheist intellectual, there are millions upon millions!. being an Atheist isn't contingent upon disproving theism lol, sorry but it really isn't!. I am not making the claim, you are as the theist!. Rather than get into some tiresome semantic based debate with you about the definition of atheism, that is a battle you have already lost!, Let me furnish you with four names just to get you started
... ready to cry foul here 'those aren't atheists they are agnostics' the reason your getting confused is your metric for gauging meaning in the entomological sense is related to historical movements, not the innate meaning of the word!.
No, by your definition I am not an atheist, but you don't get to just make up your own definitions and expect everyone else to follow suit, sorry mate that's not how life works!.
They aren't even proper ignoramuses dude. All of those guys all believe in God they just don't like him. They spend their lives writing books about unfair and mean God is. No one writes books about the tooth fairy because no one really believes in her. See those fellas Know God exists they just hate him. That's not atheism.
Dawkins -Atheist, writer, professor for the public understanding of science at Oxford university. Wrote 'the selfish gene' which revolutionised the way we understand evolutionary theory...er, you fail!
Dennet, dans achievements speak for them selves, go look them up I dare you!.
Sam Harris, neurological scientist, popular author and intellectual.
Hithens, popular writer, intellectual, go look these people up mate, you don't know what your talking about!
"hose guys all believe in God they just don't like him"
I know i am going to regret this for matters of my own sanity, but go on, prove that statement...
"No one writes books about the tooth fairy because no one really believes in her."
er, the reason they write about the god hypothesis and not the tooth fairy is because no one over the age of 5 and is considered legally sane believes she exists!.
Besides, the Tooth fairy is calling for a Jihad in the middle east or teaching children.;..
...bull shit in science class, or lobbying congress to suspend the rights of homosexuals, or telling rape victims they should have their children conceived by there rapist, or the plethora of other highly immoral, unintelligible and just down right retarded activity theists are engaging in world wide!.
The tooth fairy isn't telling people what to think and how to behave based on bronze age barbaric myths!.
Er, no, I think you will find they have nothing but destine for the beliefs you hold dear and the way you have deluded your self, subjugated your mind to the whims of ignorance and intolerance, sorry, but it is true!.
right, so you accept that the big bang an an event in space time happened, you accept that Evolution is an observed fact and is the unifying theory of biology, you accept the RNA world hypothesis as the most reasonable explanation for life on earth then do you?.
You still haven't got the burden of proof argument have you, when is it going to sink in, it is up to you to prove that your saying is true, not your opponent to disprove you!.
NOPE, lol. I stick to the facts. Big Bang cosmology is a MODEL not a fact. Evolution is a MODEL not an explanation of the origin of kingdoms or life. I stick to what I can prove and what is at least reasonable theory that DOES NOT self-refute or present internal contradictions, like pantheism, agnosticism, acognosticism, deism, polytheism, atheism, goo2you evolution and the like.
You can't prove ANYTHING you are claiming but you insist that I have something more to prove, Joe.
Evolution is a fact, an observed fact, big bang theory is also a fact. You just don't liek the implications of these facts, live in your ignorance, see if I care!.
"Evolution is a MODEL not an explanation of the origin of kingdoms or life"
Er..yea...that's exactly what it is...evolution proves we are all descended from a single organism, or even a few organisms, depending on how you view Abiogenesis, what's your point?
Er as far as science goes, the proof is their for you to learn about, if you refuse to learn about it then their is nothing i can do to help you!, as far as religion goes, I don't need to prove anything, YOU DO!, that's how the burden of proof works!.
"you insist that I have something more to prove, Joe"
Yes, burden of proof again, I know you still haven't wrapped your head around that one, but trust me, you really could do with doing!.
sorry for the typos but I didnt want to post again, waste of time. Just like you proved me wrong before about being caring, etc, etc, YOU ARE right, religion is not the basis for these qualities, the denominator is "being a human". and as for your knowledge of Islam. Islam means to peacefully submit to the will of God, and Islam is a comprehensive system, SO, you either submit to its understanding or YOU dont, it is a choice, and there is no compulsion.
And that would be fine, if young children weren't forced to follow the religion, and they do not have a choice as they are taught it is fact, not a choice!.
YOU can not read a translated text and even with the knowledge you may have or lack, it still does not give you the right and authority to interpret a verse according to your desires, because you would be the same as osama bin laden or any other oxymoron, like an Islamic terrorist. that is why there is a defined understanding of the Quran as to not deviate and innovate the religion like the Christians and their 34,000 denominations.
I don't need to read a translation I have the words of Islamic scholars!. passages that venerate wife beating, threats of violence towards none Muslims, your religion is a disgrace!. Not more than the Jewish faith though, your no worse, all religions need to die!.
History is only irrelevant to fools, dictators and the sheeple who blindly follow them! History has everything to do with definitions & the arguments presented on atheism. If you were a student of logic, philosophy, religion & atheism, you would know that your videos claims are false & no manipulation or cherry picking of new definitions to old terms helps you. You probably don't even know the definitions of
You probably don't even know the definition of acognosticism or the origin of agnosticism BOTH OF WHICH failed. & Don't bother posting from WIKI, LOL! Atheism fails as a valid world view. That is why Russell emigrated to agnosticism which also fails. Acognosticism like those other views also selfrefutes. That is why no reasonable intellectual holds to atheism or hard agnosticism emphatically. They will choose theism or a soft agnosticism w/plausible deniability.
Don't presume to lecture me on the definition of words, your basing your whole argument on the historicity of a movement that is associated with a word, not whether the definitions that are aplied in modern times are accurate and faithful to the entomology!.
there are literacy millions of famous intellectuals that hold to atheism and agnosticism lol, that statement is laughable!.
Er, no words mutate over time. As i stated in my video I have no particular affinity or vested interest in sustaining the word Atheist or atheism, I simply utilise that word because it best describes what I am!. If I found a better word then I would use that, but there isn't one!.
You are just an agnostic. There are no real atheists - they don't really exist. Unless you can provide evidence that God doesn't exist?
Perhaps also use the latin version for the word agnostic and call yourself an "ignoramus" -- it's so much more colorful and it means exactly the same thing. :)
Did you even watch the video???. The definition of religion simply doe snot allow for Atheism to be a religion!. the video you linked to is utterly terrible!, thank you for letting me know of it, I shall be doing a full refutation soon!. Cheers!.
Wikipedia? Are you serious? You won't receive information from me, but you'll blindly accept it from any nutball who decides to make an entry on Wikipedia?
I do like your Carmina Burana choice in the background, though.
It's annoying that Willywill1984's video "Atheism can be a religion" has comments disabled. It is so full of skewed and dishonest reasoning that it just begs a response. Willy then has the audacity to rebut "Atheism is NOT a religion" with another video rehashing more of the same nonsense - again with comments disabled. Typical of the religious to fear honest debate.
The comments on this video make me lose faith in humanity... :(
People need to learn how to argue in an intelligent manner. You can't respond to an argument but just stating the inverse of the main point of the argument... you need to actually provide contradictory evidence that backs up your claims. Otherwise, your ignorance is merely a waste of time of the people who are trying to have some degree of intelligent discussion.
The reason I detest religion is because, at the foundation, I detest both stupidity and ignorance. Sorry Joebot - you are an ignorant speller. Your most frequent SINS are "their" and "none." Oh, those are English words all right. But not used correctly. SMARTEN THE FUCK UP.
OK, firstly, I have dyslexia, I struggle with spelling and grammar, secondly if it really bothers you maybe you could try helping me by PM'ing me and helping me to understand which is which.
Ridicule is not a good tool for learning!.
How about you chill the fuck out and actually try doing something useful and helping me to learn rather than just shoving unhelpful insults at me
I dunno, you BELIEVE there isn't a god. The athiest's main focus to metaphysics, supernatural, and morals is that it's all an illusion (give or take). There also is a symbol for athiest, it one they put on the graves of athiests.
iluvideos 2 years ago
nope, I just state that you haven't proved there is one, therefor I don't believe in one!.
there are a few symbols, none are universally recognized.
As the video proves, Atheism is not a religion, it can't be because it is simply the answer to one question, Do you believe in gods, no, done!.
how can you build a religion out of that!
joebot1 2 years ago
All this videos proves is its uniqueness and obvious difference between... oh say, Theism (Polytheism, Monotheism, etc). Also, assuming that all atheist rely on science and philosophy to understand existence, then the difference between scientific and philosophical theories would be considered the schisms of Athiesm.
iluvideos 2 years ago
what?
joebot1 2 years ago
I'm sorry. did I throw in too many big words? Or is there just something you don't understand?
iluvideos 2 years ago
More like your point was convoluted and lacked any real sense of conclusion?.
Ambling your way through a labored point and not actually saying anything of worth is hardly an argument!.
state your point again, and this time think about what you have to say before saying it!
joebot1 2 years ago
Oh, and scientific theories have a demonstrable hypothesis that makes reliable predictions, has been through as pear review system and published in a journal, it is a body of work encompassing many facts to explain how something works like a system or process, using the word 'theory' in context of science is fine, but then slapping it next to philosophy in the same context is just insulting, not to mention just plain wrong!.
Look up 'fallacy of equivocation'
back in your box ;p lol
joebot1 2 years ago
My bad, I meant the put 'theory' next to the scientific part only ;P
iluvideos 2 years ago
Athiesm: Unique but still falls in the circle of "How many God do you worshiping your religion?" Many? One? or None?
Tradition: None, "the tradition of no tradition" (paradox!!)
Schisms: Neglectors (weak atheists), rejectors (strong atheists), anyone in between, etc
iluvideos 2 years ago
IE, not a religion.
Is not playing golf a sport?
Is bald a hair colour
Is not collecting stamps a hobby?
joebot1 2 years ago
THESE ARE HARDLY COMPARABLE!
"Is not playing a sport a sport?" - It's what you don't do
"Is Bald a hair color?" - It's a hair style.
"Is not collection stamps a hobbly?" - see the first answer
iluvideos 2 years ago
they are exactly comparable!
joebot1 2 years ago
I call it bullshit.
Not collecting stamps and no playing sports fall under the "Shit I don't Do" category
Bald falls under the "HairSTYLE" category (Color being irrelevant, especially considering the color of eyebrows and body hair)
And Atheism falls under the "Faith" category (You have faith that Atheism is true; and you practice it religiously by doing nothing)
iluvideos 2 years ago
I call bull shit right back acha!.
not believing in gods can never be a religion, as this video unequivocally proves!.
I don't have faith that atheism is true, that doesn't even make sense!
joebot1 2 years ago
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The video just shows the contrast between Atheism and Theism.
"I don't have faith that atheism is true, that doesn't even make sense! " It does when you see it from a third person perspective: as far as that person is concerned both the principles of Atheists (1st) and Theists (other 1st) believe in their doctrine, philosophy, etc.
But as far as both sides are concerned, they KNOW they're right and the other is wrong.
iluvideos 2 years ago
is this some kind of paradoy?? its quite funny
LMAO
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
How can this be a parody?
joebot1 2 years ago
because it is ridiculously incorrect :)
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
So the dictionary is incorrect, yea right!.
your a fucking idiot1.
joebot1 2 years ago
says the uncreative primate that believes in evolution. i guess you must be the unevolved specie that has limited reasoning and reacts like an animal. im wondering why you didnt "evolve" into a better human being. didnt you learn that the use of foul language is rude, ill mannered, proves your ignorance and lack of education. decent beings know how to control their emotions, and are not angry. plus, you used wikipedia (very lazy) and religion is too abstract to be singularly defined. peace
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
"proves your ignorance and lack of education."
Ha!!, says the guy that said this "im wondering why you didnt "evolve" into a better human being.", firstly it is "didn't", not "didnt", secondly, individual creatures don't evolve, they pass on there genes and through the frequency of those specific traits evolution happens over successive generations!.
Secondly, laguage isn't foul or not foul, it simply is!. whether something iw foul or not foul is mearely subjective.
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joebot1 2 years ago
If you knew anything at all about Etymology, you would know that the 'f' word is derived from a 5'th century gemanic word (from the tribe ofthe goth's) meaning "to trust". A century later the meaning "to copulate" was added, so what you actually have is a word that means to copulate with someone you trust. This is actual;ly quite a beautiful word in it's inception, but like most gehlic, nordic, saxon and celtic words, ...
joebot1 2 years ago
...they have a harsh overtone. The french nobles decreed that certain words where not pleasnt when England was invaded, hence where the ideas of profanity comes from. Common misconceptions are that the 'f' word comes from the witch burnings 'fornication under consent of the king' (or something very similar) the second most common misconception is that it comes from the rape file of old Scotland yard (for unlawful carnal knowledge. all wrong of course.
joebot1 2 years ago
Now I don''t know about you, but I am not about to let a bunch of 800 year dead French nobles tell me what I can and cannot say!.
"religion is too abstract to be singularly defined"
Utter crap, it is a word just like any other and has a meaning!.
If anything Atheism is the opposite of a religion. You where an Atheist till you learned your religious dogma's!. Atheism is the default.
joebot1 2 years ago
Now I don''t know about you, but I am not about to let a bunch of 800 year dead French nobles tell me what I can and cannot say!.
"religion is too abstract to be singularly defined"
Utter crap, it is a word just like any other and has a meaning!.
If anything Atheism is the opposite of a religion. You where an Atheist till you learned your religious dogma's!. Atheism is the default.
joebot1 2 years ago
if you want to sound like a un uneducated brat, that is fine by me. there is more to just than the plain simple "meaining" of a word and its origin. break everything down and you will always come to a conclusion that everything contains energy. that is why some places give a peaceful vide and others give off a bad vibe. same with words, pictures, and people.
relgion is abstract, casue you may view as a noun while others view it as a noun. plus real numbers state 4 billion people are religious.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
"f you want to sound like a un uneducated brat, that is fine by me."
Swearing shows no bearing on the person at all, the content of their argument is what matters, anyone that has half a brain knows this you fucking imbecile!.
"break everything down and you will always come to a conclusion that everything contains energy. "
That's true!.
"that is why some places give a peaceful vide and others give off a bad vibe."
joebot1 2 years ago
"Vide" isn't a word! and no that's not why we get different feelings in different environments, it is about our subjective exper9inece!. for instance, you might hate the word FUCK\, I might like it, it is subjective!.
"same with words, pictures, and people."
Nope, that's all subjective too!.
"relgion is abstract"
in some senses, but it is definable!.
joebot1 2 years ago
"casue you may view as a noun while others view it as a noun."
what the fuck are you babbling about?
"plus real numbers state 4 billion people are religious. "
...again, what does that have to do with anything...at all...EVER?????
joebot1 2 years ago
are you seriously using a typo against me. man that is lame. 4 billion believers vs 2 billion undefined or atheists. you just admited religion is abstract. religion, more than a belief and label is a way of life. being honest, being kind, resisiting impure thoughts, maintaining a healthy body, being clean, helping others, being modest, seeking truth. refraining from using foul language, even if it is subjective.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
No, not really. Religion is all about belief and has the worst possible track record for morality from a social point of view.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
thus atheism is a religion because it is a belief that god does not exist. belief in religion is nothing without the practice. like xtians going to church on sundays, like muslims going to the masjid of fridays, the sabath. aside from that, xtians and muslims give food and clothes to the poor. most religions encourage one to be honest. i dont what atheism benefits society with it, can anybody inform me? just because religion is perfect doesnt make the followers perfect. r u perfect?
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
Are you ignorant on purpose? The definition of atheism is not believing in something. I mean if you are christian atheist of the Muslim, Mormon, Islamic, Hindu, Buddha, Shinto, Greek, and Viking religions. Does this mean you have 9 religions including Christianity? No. Of course not.
'thus atheism is a religion because it is a belief that god does not exist. belief in religion is nothing without the practice.'
Man I like how you simultaneously say it's a religion and then prove yourself wrong
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
Atheists have no common universal practice, and if and individual does have some kind of 'practice' then it's fine because atheism is defined by the individual as long as he doesn't believe in a supreme being. It's completely different than believing there isn't one. Believing in something requires nothing to exist in a proven state, while not believing in something requires that it has to be proven to exist. If you can understand that with your indoctrinated mind then be my guest.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
no no. like i said, religion is the belief and the pracitice. you believe there is no God. that is still a belief. cant prove there isnt. you live your life with the thought of God in your actions. so it is a religion, very undefined. maybe some atheists are good people and do charity because they understand that is logical and beneficial, maybe some are just uneducated pricks. just cause we dont share the same ideas on God, whose to say i have a better chance of entering heaven than you?
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
The only thought about god that enters my mind as well as many atheists is "How the hell can people still believe in imaginary things?" Me being an atheist doesn't require anymore thought about god then it does the magical pink unicorn. Even if I did think about god all the time it wouldn't be about praise or worship for him. He would just be me thinking about why he is imaginary. So in what way does this relate to a religion? Atheism has no characteristics of a religion therefor it is not one.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
evidence will only achieve a limted understanding, but God is perfect, so perfect that you may only understand one logic of God instead of understanding like how God would see. example. say you are a very carefull person and one day you happen to drop your wallet. you lose your wallet, something rare, but the wallet you lost could be punishment, at the same time, the person who found the wallet is tested in giving it back or stealing the money.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
I will disagree with this on a personal level. Just look at all the achievements of mankind based on science, and education that require evidence to be set into practice. We've almost increased the average life expectancy of mankind by threefold. We've been into outer space, and landed on the moon. We can pick up a telephone and talk to anyone on the planet with a similar device, and me and you can have this discussion about it on youtube. What does god have on that?
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
Atheism cannot benefit society in the way you are speaking of, but if you look at it as what have atheists benefited society with than the list outnumbers religion 1 million to 1. In the times of the rule of religion the average lifespan was somewhat 28 years. Now it's 80 some years and this can be contributed majorly to atheist scientists. That's just one minor thing.
Yeah religions might give out clothes, but they are clothes synthetically developed by scientists so they are cheap enough.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
Atheism is not a belief, it is a reaction to those that believe and their beliefs!.
joebot1 2 years ago
"being honest"
Hardly a trait found exclusively to Christians!
"being kind"
Again, there are many religions that get that message across a lot better than Christians, Buddhism for instance!.
"resisting impure thoughts"
Er, whose measure of impurity?, how is denying your thoughts a good thing?
"maintaining a healthy body, being clean"
Buddhism has you licked again here!.
"helping others"
Again, many religions do much better here, as do none believers!.
joebot1 2 years ago
"being modest"
Don't see how that really matters, it makes people more tolerable, but it is hardly that important as long as they don't harm people.
"seeking truth"
HA HA!, Denying known facts like evolution, refusing to acknowledge the RNA world hypothesis, refusing to accept big bang - another fact, come on, theists are anything but on a quest for truth!.
"refraining from using foul language, even if it is subjective"
That last one is nothing at all, fuck fuck fuck!, ;p
joebot1 2 years ago
psychologist would disagree with you about swearing and so would any person in society.
recieving a hug is much better than getting kicked in the nads.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
"psychologist would disagree with you about swearing and so would any person in society."
So now you claim to speak for everyone in all society, come on, your talking rubbish!.
"receiving a hug is much better than getting kicked in the nads"
Agreed, but fuck is just a word, nothing more, nothing less, it can only hurt you if you let it!.
joebot1 2 years ago
but if you follow a doctrin set up by satan, then you are his follower. im just saying, i dont know exactly what you believe. but assuming from your reactions, you seem to motivated by hate.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
We can't follow Satan because he is imaginary. Damn HOW IGNORANT ARE YOU CHRISTIANS? We don't believe in any of your stupid BS. Satan included so how can you say we follow Satan. We have a right to hate the shit you spew forth continuously. Always saying we are evil and follow some imaginary bs you make up in your own mind. If you want to say we follow Satan then prove this bastard exists and that he controls us somehow. JUST PROVE YOUR RELIGION. It's that simple.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
there is soo much evidence around you but you fail to see it, you fail to understand it. i could bring you a years worth of evidence and the chances might that you will still not believe, a miracle could happen before your eyes and you wouldnt accept it as a miracle. you want the proof, go find it yourself.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
Where is the evidence? I've looked. In fact I probably know the bible better then you do. Honestly hardly any Christians I run into knows the bible other then the parts that get quoted all the time in churches. Including old and new testaments, and the left out books that are available.
Actually a miracle would be a good way to prove god. If he wanted me to believe in him all he'd have to do is perform a miracle right in front of my eyes. Something that is not scientifically explainable.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
I'd convert on the spot if this happened. Now don't get me wrong you pull up some biblical reference to a miracle and I'll just laugh at you. The bible is not proof of anything, and has been proven wrong on almost all accounts of when it trys to explain something with scientific acuity. For example, flat earth, earth is the center of the universe, and the age of the universe/earth. This is enough to prove that your god is fake. A perfect being couldn't be wrong about such things.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
Especially if he made them.
Really I find it funny you would say uneducated atheist. When in all actuality Christians are actually uneducated especially when they try and prove god based on biblical references that have been proven scientifically wrong.
And you definitely can't claim the moral high ground when you make up the majority of jail and prison populations in America. Over 90% of inmates are christian while less then 1% are atheist.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
hold on. you think im xtian. no dude. im muslim, convert. i dont think a specific was actually in the origins of the discussion, but yes i do strongly agree with you about the bible and its inaccuracies relating science. just because statistics say 90% are xtian, that dont mean they are PRACTICING XTIANS. its like saying muslims are terrorists. maybe some so called muslims maybe terrorist, but Islam is peace, and any muslim instigating is astray from the religion.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
Well that explains something. I have some respect for you now.
That may be true to some extent but the christian religion is one of forgiveness, and our prisons and jails hold mass on Sundays and give out bibles. Many inmates believe in god and go through such practices during their time there. As long as they didn't commit one of the 7 deadly sins of their religion then they can be forgiven and considered as practicing the religion.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
thank you. however, my opnion shouldnt be taken as valid, but going to church on sundays and saying one believe is not enough. xtians go by the idea that before you die you truly regret what you have done you will be allowed into heaven. i seriously doubt that cuz anybody who has been sining to their last breath will not be able to feel regret. plus GOD is the most forgiving, i dont think there is a sin God will not forgive.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
Actually, that is a Catholic dogma, it doe snot apply to many other denominations!. Baptists believe once your saved your always saved for instance.
joebot1 2 years ago
"Islam is peace, and any muslim instigating is astray from the religion"
Ha!!, I take it you haven't read your Qu'ran!.
The Qu'ran reads like Hitler's Mein Kampf!. It is a book of hatred and violence!.
joebot1 2 years ago
dead on. except that GOD didnt write the bible. the bible is a book with some parts that may contain a true revelation from God, some things inspired, it has some history, some stories, some fables, some peverse stuff as well like incest and stuff. take "st:" paul, the dude didnt even meet Jesus and he wrote more books than any other prophet or messenger.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
Yes that is according to your religion but in their religion the bible is the word of god written by god through mortals, so really it's a great means to proving them wrong for atheists.
I have little knowledge of the Koran or your religion though, so I wouldn't be able to pick apart any arguments of science with it.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
my intention is not to convert you, because i have no contorl over such matters and the decision is always yours. i can clear some of the misunderstandings. but when i was a hardcore catholic i hated science, ever since i became a muslim i love science. youtube quran and science. you will find many videos explaning the expansion of stars, formation of clouds, embryology etc. but there are videos against it as well, some very convincing but not enough to argue 1400 yrs ago someone had an idea.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
If Muslims love science so much why will they only accept something that is supported in the Quran (or they think it is), Evolution is a known, observed fact, yet Muslims refuse to accept it!. The RNA world hypothesis that explains how life came from none living matter, Muslims don't wanna know!.
joebot1 2 years ago
its quite sad how there seems to be only, you, defending for yourself and swamping the comments with you kindergarten intelligence and if your only method to refute arguments you can not logically defend and resort that it is "rubbish", i might as well say that your looks is parallel to your boldness and the lack of results to a lack of intelligence. not quite the point. Muslims accept evolution like flies to agent orange. only within certain limits and condition can being evolve and adapt.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
Er, I am a highly educated individual, sorry, but your adhoms just won't wash with me!.
Rubbish is the short hand, your religion speaks for it self!. I 'm not stating that suicide bombers are the majority of Muslims, they clearly aren't, yes, I believe that most Muslims are peaceful individuals that embrace love and respect, BUT that is NOT what their and your religion teaches!, saying anything else is nothing but a lie!.
My boldness is in reaction to years of theological d sociological study.
joebot1 2 years ago
"Muslims accept evolution like flies to agent orange. only within certain limits and condition can being evolve and adapt"
From that statment I can clearly tell that you clearly don't understand what evolution is, you don't know how irrefutable the evidence is for evolution and you have no idea just how many Muslims deny Evolution
joebot1 2 years ago
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate you, I think I probably like you more than most theists, but your problem is one of ignorance, ignorance of your own religion!.
I implore you to read your Qu'ran and the hadiths, take asnother look at Sharia law and make an honest judgement!.
I shall be making a video called "THE DISGRACE WITHIN THE QU'RAN". I shall be highlighting all the things that cause me concern and you will have the opportunity to reply, fair deal?
joebot1 2 years ago
i dont think i need to tell you how many, because EVERY muslim will deny evolution in the sense we came from monkeys, believeing we come from the Prophet Adam is not to be taken entirely and heavily as a scientific stament, but as a spiritual stament, that acknowledging such origins one believes that one is a creation from God swt and so is everything around that person, wether that being acknowledges it as well.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
well, if Adam was a lower primate then fine ;p
joebot1 2 years ago
Yea, news flash sparky, god didn't write the Quran aether!, if he did he wouldn't have made so many mistakes with the language and clear fallacies about the human body, cosmology and many other mistakes!.
joebot1 2 years ago
lets take another stance. lets say you are an atheist who does what is logically correct. you find a wallet you give it back. you help an old lady pick up her grocieries, you help the poor because you feel compasionate. refuse to drink alcohol because it kills brian neurons. now riddle me this, how difference is that atheist from a religious person?
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
Well if the religious person would do all of those things as well then the major difference is the atheist won't believe in god until it can be proven god exists, but being nice doesn't constitute a religion I mean we don't go around setting up religions based solely around a single charitable foundation because the donate money to the needy. Moral foundation is not required for a religion.
Atheism is not believing in god because evidence we have so far points to there not being a god.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
I think it's the whole believe/don't believe that throws religious people off. Let me put it like this. Atheism is denying the possibility for the existence of supernatural beings or entities.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
im sorry if i wasnt clear enough. religion is obviiously the belief, but the belief in fear God alone. some people go as far to say that one has to be scared of God, true, but only when you know you deserve to be punished, fear the punishment. some argue to say that i means to respect God. well PERSONALLy, i think it is a bit of both. a person who truly fears God, will not lie even if the end result is against him, why? out of fear or out of respect? doesnt really matter, the person is honest
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
I think I am misunderstanding you, but from what I read you are saying religion is the belief in fear of God? Then wouldn't this mean atheism is not a religion?
I can understand where you are coming from, but is there ever a time when it is more moral on a social level to lie to someone? Also why does anyone need ancient scriptures or a supreme being to have a moral standards or be honest?
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
Why would anyone fear a benevolent being?
joebot1 2 years ago
If you think their is evidence then show what it is!.
joebot1 2 years ago
Satan does not exist, if you feel differently then you should prove it, but since you can't and have no reasonable excuse for your belief, then it should be acknowledged that there is no such entity!.
"but assuming from your reactions, you seem to motivated by hate."
On the contrary, I am motivated by love!. I love science, I love freedom, I love people and want them to be honest with them selves and live a full happy live, not motivated by their own twisted faith!
joebot1 2 years ago
whatever, same kind of lame evidence that allah is the moon god. try swearing during a job interview and see if you get the job. society follows rules and protocols, majority based on religious ideas and practices. so if you were a true atheist then you would be an anarchist. if atheism is the opposite of religion, then from my point of you view, your are a smelly, ugly, wrotten, loser, proud homosexual, ignorant satan. refuse to accept to god etc, etc, im not saying you are but if you
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
Lame evidence lol, pagan writings that pre-date Islam by thousands of years, with his three daughters, same names, written in the same order lol, come on!.
Nah, most modern societies operate under SECULAR ideals!.
"a true atheist then you would be an anarchist"
Er, why? and how do you know that I am not?
joebot1 2 years ago
The music rocks.
ijusttom 2 years ago
Wow, Atheist like quoting things. Atheism is the oddest religion out there yet.
ScrewTime 2 years ago
Not really, you need it to be a religion otherwise you have absolutely nothing to argue about. As such it is a strawman you build up so you can feel good against arguing against a cause/religion when it actual fact what you are arguing about does not exist. When you claim there is a god and i say, i don't believe you, when does that turn into a religion. When you say Jesus died for our sins and i say bullshit, when does that turn into a religion?
mattyabsley 2 years ago
What an odd religion...
ScrewTime 2 years ago
What odd rhetoric...
mattyabsley 2 years ago
Screwtime, where you even watching the video, I went into painful detail as to the meaning of the word religion and how Atheism does not conform to any known definition.
If Atheism is a religion then health is a disease!.
If Atheism is a religion then not playing golf is a sport
If Atheism is a religion then bald is a hair style.
If Atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby
Get it now?
joebot1 2 years ago
Oh wait, I wasn't paying attention.
ScrewTime 2 years ago
Actually watch the video...then go and look this up for your self, you might learn something!.
No wonder you erroneously think that Atheism is a religion.
joebot1 2 years ago
I thought Atheist worshiped a god named Atheor, who didn't believe in the existence of gods, not even himself!
ScrewTime 2 years ago
what are you babbling about man, make some sense please!
joebot1 2 years ago
Don't miss this one: watch?v=5TyI6Hxa4R4
rofl
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
And just as I anticipated, Joe, when I asked for a single "scholar" that disproved theism with a real valid & true argument, YOU could not list one! Russell, Nietzche, and the other "Great" agnostics never proved atheism or even grounded agnosticism. No scholar has ever proven anti-theism. Theism is logical. Atheism selfrefutes.
But, I am just pointing out another of your "FACTS" not in evidence that you keep claiming as though they are real. You must provide valid citations, not WIKI!!!
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
the point is moot, that was my point. I can name a whole host of intellectuals that refute claims made by theists, but that is not the same thing. I can no more disprove the existence of god as you can dismiss the existence of Odin, does that mean we should all be Odin agnostics?.
the question is not whether an Atheist can refute the existence of god, but whether we have good reason to believe there is a god!.
the history of the biblical cannon is about the most damning evidence I can give you
joebot1 2 years ago
theism is anything but logical lol. It's most basic tenant is that there is an all powerful creator behind the universe. Most doctrines have this god (or gods) taking as personal interest in our daily lives and setting rules for us to follow. Most Religions that are theistic have some kind of afterlife as well.
Prove the above mate, I am not making the claim, you are!.
joebot1 2 years ago
Atheism by it's very nature isn't a belief or a world view, it is a reaction to a belief or a world view. On that basis, why would there be arguments for it!. The whole idea is predicated on the idea that you are wrong lol, so naturally all Atheistic arguments are going to be refutations of Theistic ones...that's how this works!.
joebot1 2 years ago
You are lying or you are a fool, Joe. NO, I pointed out TWO powerhouses of atheism one who defaulted to agnosticism in order to escape refutation and the other who acted as though science had refuted theism. BOTH were wrong and NEITHER presented a valid AND true argument refuting theism. YOU CANNOT NAME ONE SCHOLAR as NONE HAS EVER PRESENTED A VALID ARGUMENT THAT REFUTES THEISM IN at least 6000 years. PUT UP OR SHUT UP, dude. NAME ONE!!!
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
And I have already explained why!.
name one scholar that has refuted the bogey man, I dare you!. You don't need to support a negative claim, the strength of the argument is predicated on the weaknesses of the positive claim it is response to.
you're making the claim, YOU put up or shut up!.
joebot1 2 years ago
I could have referred to Russell, his tea pot argument says it all really, but I don't agree because I do believe that there is a celestial tea pot orbiting the sun, there are billions actually, here on earth ;p
Nietzche is someone who I just don't connect with on too many levels, this whole pit of eternal despair stuff is just stupid!. just because I know the song is going to end, does not mean I shan't be getting up to dance ;p
joebot1 2 years ago
I actually connect with Nietzsche. He was the most consistent atheist. He really lived what he preached and really HONESTLY looked hard at the implications of atheism. NO GOD, no meaning in life. Your life is worthless in your world view. If you were right, in a million years, nothing you do and no one you know will have mattered at all. The universe will just die, and that's atheism, my friend.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
so do most theists I have come across, but he said that God was dead, i say god never existed in the first place, he/she/it is a figment of the minds of barbarians that lived and died thousands of years ago and the dogma has stuck for many reasons!.
Actually it is quite the opposite!. At best this life is some insignificant preamble until the next life, at worst it shows that this life is pointless if god is omniscient!.
meaning is derived through the individual, not from an external source!.
joebot1 2 years ago
No, Joe. Dude, YOU made the claim that there were millions. I ASKED you to name ONE. You have to prove your claim. I made NO CLAIM. I just called your hand. I will not continue as you can't name a single of the MILLIONS of scholars you claim exist. You must believe in global warming too. I won't post anymore on this subject. If you knew a real scholar who had, you would parade him around like all atheists would as the poster child for atheism. Atheism has no heros, no victors. We have Jesus!
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
No your trying to set the game to your advantage!. At no point did I state that there where scholars dedicated to proving gods none existence, you know and i know that is impossible! I corrected you by stating that there where millions of Atheist academics and intellectuals and many of them spend a lot of resources refuting theistic arguments!.
joebot1 2 years ago
~joebot1 quote 'Atheist intellectual, there are millions upon millions!.'
At no point did I say that i would produce scholars that can disprove god!
Here's your point to which I responded!
'That is why no reasonable intellectual holds to atheism or hard agnosticism emphatically. They will choose theism or a soft agnosticism w/plausible deniability.'
joebot1 2 years ago
I gave you four well respected intellectuals, if I was to list them all I would be here all day
Stephen Weinberg
David Attenborough
Leaonard suskind
Lawrence Krauss
Harold Kroto
To name a few, over 90 percent of all Nobel laureates are atheists.
I think I have made my point!.
joebot1 2 years ago
more scientists:-
Peter William Atkins, Bill Bass, Susan Blackmore, Sir Herman Bondi, Rodney Brooks, Francis Crick, Prabhir Ghosh, Stephen Jay Gould, Susan Greenfield, Charles Darwin, Thomas Huxley, Wade Davis, David Deutsch, Paul Ehrlich, Ed Fredkin, Alan Hale, Stephen Hawking, Douglas Hofstadter, Robert Jastrow, Melvin Konner, Richard Leakey, James Lovelock, John McCarthy, Jonathan Miller, Marvin Minsky, Rita Levi Montalcini, Hans Moravec,
joebot1 2 years ago
Desmond Morris, Bill Nye, Paul Pfalzner, Steven Pinker, Vilayanur S. Ramachandran, Matt Ridley, Oliver Sacks, Carl Sagan, Robert Sapolsky, Eugenie Scott, Marie Skłodowska-Curie, Lee Smolin, James Watson, Peter Watts, Ian Wilmut, Edward O. Wilson, Lewis Wolpert
to name but a few ;p
joebot1 2 years ago
ChristianVoice08 - Stop creating your own little strawmen arguments. Even if you win them it won't prove a god or even increase the chance of him existing. Also stop referring to Athiesm as any more than a simple non belief in a god or deity, even if you found an outspoken representative of "athiesm" he would not represent me or any of my athiest friends. So therefore he would not be any kind of representative anyway. Just like your "Jesus" is not representative of all religious people.
mattyabsley 2 years ago
Psst, you're only supposed to quote God or gods.
Just like your "God" is...
ScrewTime 2 years ago
Last point, I don't want to spam you. Joe, your channel page selfcontradicts. If you believe there is no God, THEN, there is no better & no best. Everything is the way it is. You have no grounds for morality. THere is no right & no wrong. You should do whatever you want. Forget us. You don't answer to us if there is no God. Build an army & take over like Philip did.
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ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
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Build an army & take over like Philip did. There are no rules w/o God. You are not being consistent with your world view if you claim there is a better to be had!
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
I don't believe there is no god, I don't believe in your god, nor any god, nor any supernatural claim based on the lack of evidence and contradictions of data that ACTUALLY exists. Not to mention the claims are internally contradictory!.
your more than welcome to leave as much as you like on my channel, I am a proponent of free speech!.
joebot1 2 years ago
"You have no grounds for morality"
Er..ok, false, but how is that related to what we where just walking about?
If your going to switch gears from the meaning of atheism to 'subjective morality V 'Objective morality' stances can you please let me know ;p
Cheers!
Philip who?, king of Macedonia golden age of Greece era?
You don't know what my world view is because I haven't told you yet lol.
joebot1 2 years ago
I use empathy, logic and the metric that suffering is bad to gauge my morality. Not believing in YOUR god has nothing to do with how moral a person I am, nor anyone else!.
this is a REALLY old argument, how come you don't know you lost this one lol.
joebot1 2 years ago
This video merely proves our arguments that atheism is religious and a religion. Nice try to restate most of our premises for us. Too bad you have to use WIKIPEDIA and not valid historical references for your definitions. But, this is the usual shoddy research and citation I am used to by those who deny my videos without answering or even being able to refute my arguments.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
'This video merely proves our arguments that atheism is religious and a religion.'
Er...how, I take it you have proof for this, just stating something does not make it true!.
'you have to use WIKIPEDIA and not valid historical references for your definitions.'
history is IRRELEVANT!. Where talking about the definition of words!. I already stated that I used Wiki because I found that it happened to be the most expanded and complete definition of the word I was arguing against!.
joebot1 2 years ago
your argument is irrelevant!. As i stated, if the word Atheist changes to not encompass what I define my self as, i shall simply change what I call my self, no harm, no foul!. I won't be crying like a little bitch at the definition like you are at this point!
the video I responded to was HORRENDOUS!. It makes erroneous claims about the origins of the universe, blanket assertions about abiogenesis (epic fail, /watch?v=1ji1LE-yE2A ) and showed a distracting amount of intellectual dishonesty!
joebot1 2 years ago
The reason I simply posted my video to you and didn't give a full refutation is because I am still preparing it, but rest assured, I shall be getting to that soon!. I wonder if you will be honest enough and brave enough to accept my refutation and attach it to your video...well see!
joebot1 2 years ago
JOE, COOL! Just be honest. You aren't a real atheist. As long as we agree on what you believe, fine. I am not telling you what to believe, but, I am stating historical and philosophical fact.
You also have to realize that you can provide NO evidence to support a claim that there is no God and if you want to say that He doesn't exist, you have 66 books to refute JUST To GET STARTED! Then you have to explain away my life and knowledge as well as 2000 years of human history.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
no, your arguing that the definition of atheism as stated by the new atheist moment is invalid and your wrong!.
I don't believe in anything at all!.
the history does not support your world view, any time it has been analysed by any serious scholar it has been refuted!.
joebot1 2 years ago
That's a load of crap, Joe. Name one "scholar" who has properly refuted theism from history. You say everytime it was analyzed it was refuted...NAME ONE, Just one scholar from history and the name of his argument. Watch this folks.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Er, no you said name one Atheist intellectual, there are millions upon millions!. being an Atheist isn't contingent upon disproving theism lol, sorry but it really isn't!. I am not making the claim, you are as the theist!. Rather than get into some tiresome semantic based debate with you about the definition of atheism, that is a battle you have already lost!, Let me furnish you with four names just to get you started
richard Dawkins
Sam Harris
Daniel Dennet
Christopher Hitchens
I know your...
joebot1 2 years ago
... ready to cry foul here 'those aren't atheists they are agnostics' the reason your getting confused is your metric for gauging meaning in the entomological sense is related to historical movements, not the innate meaning of the word!.
No, by your definition I am not an atheist, but you don't get to just make up your own definitions and expect everyone else to follow suit, sorry mate that's not how life works!.
joebot1 2 years ago
Of course your strawmanning what 'i said, i said the claims made in the bible to not reflect scientific knowledge, historical evidence etc.
Look up 'logical fallacy' I think you will find it quite enlightening ;p
joebot1 2 years ago
"Richard Dawkins
Sam Harris
Daniel Dennet
Christopher Hitchens"
They aren't even proper ignoramuses dude. All of those guys all believe in God they just don't like him. They spend their lives writing books about unfair and mean God is. No one writes books about the tooth fairy because no one really believes in her. See those fellas Know God exists they just hate him. That's not atheism.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
Dawkins -Atheist, writer, professor for the public understanding of science at Oxford university. Wrote 'the selfish gene' which revolutionised the way we understand evolutionary theory...er, you fail!
Dennet, dans achievements speak for them selves, go look them up I dare you!.
Sam Harris, neurological scientist, popular author and intellectual.
Hithens, popular writer, intellectual, go look these people up mate, you don't know what your talking about!
joebot1 2 years ago
"hose guys all believe in God they just don't like him"
I know i am going to regret this for matters of my own sanity, but go on, prove that statement...
"No one writes books about the tooth fairy because no one really believes in her."
er, the reason they write about the god hypothesis and not the tooth fairy is because no one over the age of 5 and is considered legally sane believes she exists!.
Besides, the Tooth fairy is calling for a Jihad in the middle east or teaching children.;..
joebot1 2 years ago
...bull shit in science class, or lobbying congress to suspend the rights of homosexuals, or telling rape victims they should have their children conceived by there rapist, or the plethora of other highly immoral, unintelligible and just down right retarded activity theists are engaging in world wide!.
The tooth fairy isn't telling people what to think and how to behave based on bronze age barbaric myths!.
clear enough for you?
joebot1 2 years ago
Dawkins is a zoologist lecturing outside his area of "expertise".
Dennet lacks real knowledge of religion.
Harris again is a neurologist speaking outside of his field of expertise while saying things that are selfrefuting.
Hitchens is a hatemonger and a brat who has a personal beef with God. His ramblings in debate are the worst I've seen.
I have to concur with Whammy, they all hate God. You can't hate something that doesn't exist. Their hate proves them liars.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Er, no, I think you will find they have nothing but destine for the beliefs you hold dear and the way you have deluded your self, subjugated your mind to the whims of ignorance and intolerance, sorry, but it is true!.
joebot1 2 years ago
I'm not ignorant or intolerant, Joe. I am also NOT superstitutious or anti-scientific or alogical as is your blind faith in the unprovable.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
right, so you accept that the big bang an an event in space time happened, you accept that Evolution is an observed fact and is the unifying theory of biology, you accept the RNA world hypothesis as the most reasonable explanation for life on earth then do you?.
You still haven't got the burden of proof argument have you, when is it going to sink in, it is up to you to prove that your saying is true, not your opponent to disprove you!.
joebot1 2 years ago
NOPE, lol. I stick to the facts. Big Bang cosmology is a MODEL not a fact. Evolution is a MODEL not an explanation of the origin of kingdoms or life. I stick to what I can prove and what is at least reasonable theory that DOES NOT self-refute or present internal contradictions, like pantheism, agnosticism, acognosticism, deism, polytheism, atheism, goo2you evolution and the like.
You can't prove ANYTHING you are claiming but you insist that I have something more to prove, Joe.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
So, you embrace ignorance then, nice to know!.
Evolution is a fact, an observed fact, big bang theory is also a fact. You just don't liek the implications of these facts, live in your ignorance, see if I care!.
"pantheism, agnosticism, acognosticism, deism, polytheism, atheism"
none of the above are theories, they are religions or stances made about other religions!, get your facts straight!..
joebot1 2 years ago
"Evolution is a MODEL not an explanation of the origin of kingdoms or life"
Er..yea...that's exactly what it is...evolution proves we are all descended from a single organism, or even a few organisms, depending on how you view Abiogenesis, what's your point?
joebot1 2 years ago
"I stick to what I can prove"
Ha!, your the one that believes in an intangible, incorporable deity for which their is NO proof lol, are you feeling ok?
joebot1 2 years ago
"You can't prove ANYTHING"
Er as far as science goes, the proof is their for you to learn about, if you refuse to learn about it then their is nothing i can do to help you!, as far as religion goes, I don't need to prove anything, YOU DO!, that's how the burden of proof works!.
"you insist that I have something more to prove, Joe"
Yes, burden of proof again, I know you still haven't wrapped your head around that one, but trust me, you really could do with doing!.
joebot1 2 years ago
sorry for the typos but I didnt want to post again, waste of time. Just like you proved me wrong before about being caring, etc, etc, YOU ARE right, religion is not the basis for these qualities, the denominator is "being a human". and as for your knowledge of Islam. Islam means to peacefully submit to the will of God, and Islam is a comprehensive system, SO, you either submit to its understanding or YOU dont, it is a choice, and there is no compulsion.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
And that would be fine, if young children weren't forced to follow the religion, and they do not have a choice as they are taught it is fact, not a choice!.
joebot1 2 years ago
YOU can not read a translated text and even with the knowledge you may have or lack, it still does not give you the right and authority to interpret a verse according to your desires, because you would be the same as osama bin laden or any other oxymoron, like an Islamic terrorist. that is why there is a defined understanding of the Quran as to not deviate and innovate the religion like the Christians and their 34,000 denominations.
bewititbewitoutit 2 years ago
I don't need to read a translation I have the words of Islamic scholars!. passages that venerate wife beating, threats of violence towards none Muslims, your religion is a disgrace!. Not more than the Jewish faith though, your no worse, all religions need to die!.
joebot1 2 years ago
History is only irrelevant to fools, dictators and the sheeple who blindly follow them! History has everything to do with definitions & the arguments presented on atheism. If you were a student of logic, philosophy, religion & atheism, you would know that your videos claims are false & no manipulation or cherry picking of new definitions to old terms helps you. You probably don't even know the definitions of
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ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
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You probably don't even know the definition of acognosticism or the origin of agnosticism BOTH OF WHICH failed. & Don't bother posting from WIKI, LOL! Atheism fails as a valid world view. That is why Russell emigrated to agnosticism which also fails. Acognosticism like those other views also selfrefutes. That is why no reasonable intellectual holds to atheism or hard agnosticism emphatically. They will choose theism or a soft agnosticism w/plausible deniability.
ChristianVoice08 2 years ago
Don't presume to lecture me on the definition of words, your basing your whole argument on the historicity of a movement that is associated with a word, not whether the definitions that are aplied in modern times are accurate and faithful to the entomology!.
there are literacy millions of famous intellectuals that hold to atheism and agnosticism lol, that statement is laughable!.
joebot1 2 years ago
Er, no words mutate over time. As i stated in my video I have no particular affinity or vested interest in sustaining the word Atheist or atheism, I simply utilise that word because it best describes what I am!. If I found a better word then I would use that, but there isn't one!.
joebot1 2 years ago
watch?v=5TyI6Hxa4R4
Another proper defintion
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
THAT'S THE SAME CLIP DUMB ASS!
joebot1 2 years ago
No it was a different one.
watch?v=5TyI6Hxa4R4
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
"Yet another source for: THE REAL DEFINITION OF ATHEISM watch?v=5TyI6Hxa4R4"
"watch?v=5TyI6Hxa4R4
Another proper defintion"
Notice anything familiar, let me help you out:-
1. -watch?v=5TyI6Hxa4R4
2. -watch?v=5TyI6Hxa4R4
Numb nuts!
joebot1 2 years ago
'According to the 'most usual' definition"
Idiot doesn't even know that his reference disproves what he was saying!.
Can't you see, the guy just refuted him self, most usual definition, not 'THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY DEFINITION'
Am I getting through to you in any way, please help me out here, give me a sign!.
joebot1 2 years ago
Yet another source for: THE REAL DEFINITION OF ATHEISM watch?v=5TyI6Hxa4R4
Poor ignoramuses don't even know what they are...
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
Quote:-
'According to the 'most usual' definition"
Idiot doesn't even know that his reference disproves what he was saying!.
joebot1 2 years ago
You are just an agnostic. There are no real atheists - they don't really exist. Unless you can provide evidence that God doesn't exist?
Perhaps also use the latin version for the word agnostic and call yourself an "ignoramus" -- it's so much more colorful and it means exactly the same thing. :)
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
"You are just an agnostic"
correct
"There are no real atheists"
no true scots man fallacy!
"Unless you can provide evidence that God doesn't exist?"
Er, you can't provide proof that god does exist, does that prove that theism is wrong? lol, make sense man!.
joebot1 2 years ago
watch?v=5WrxmVeo3SU
Atheism IS a religion
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
Did you even watch the video???. The definition of religion simply doe snot allow for Atheism to be a religion!. the video you linked to is utterly terrible!, thank you for letting me know of it, I shall be doing a full refutation soon!. Cheers!.
joebot1 2 years ago
"Atheism is not a religion"- No kidding.
Wikipedia? Are you serious? You won't receive information from me, but you'll blindly accept it from any nutball who decides to make an entry on Wikipedia?
I do like your Carmina Burana choice in the background, though.
bberchin 3 years ago
to be fair, I did start the video by stating that this is one definition, one that I actually thought was the best!.
joebot1 3 years ago
Sorry, i don't remember ever talking to you...I don't recognize your name. What information did I not accept?
joebot1 3 years ago
From a sociological perspective the question has been raised, "what ISN'T a religion".
Atheism doesn't have a great ambassador, it may be an institution, but has no central ambassador. Nor does being an atheist have any real tenants.
But I will say, most atheists believe in some religious like institution. With that said, so do I and everyone who has ever been in this world.
Like I said tho, that's based off the question what ISN'T a religious institution.
doctorrin 3 years ago
It's annoying that Willywill1984's video "Atheism can be a religion" has comments disabled. It is so full of skewed and dishonest reasoning that it just begs a response. Willy then has the audacity to rebut "Atheism is NOT a religion" with another video rehashing more of the same nonsense - again with comments disabled. Typical of the religious to fear honest debate.
Blackmark52 3 years ago
Well, I thing it warrants a response anyway don't you ;p
joebot1 3 years ago
The comments on this video make me lose faith in humanity... :(
People need to learn how to argue in an intelligent manner. You can't respond to an argument but just stating the inverse of the main point of the argument... you need to actually provide contradictory evidence that backs up your claims. Otherwise, your ignorance is merely a waste of time of the people who are trying to have some degree of intelligent discussion.
idshanks 3 years ago
I agree...for the most part!.
joebot1 3 years ago
The reason I detest religion is because, at the foundation, I detest both stupidity and ignorance. Sorry Joebot - you are an ignorant speller. Your most frequent SINS are "their" and "none." Oh, those are English words all right. But not used correctly. SMARTEN THE FUCK UP.
indignant99 3 years ago
OK, firstly, I have dyslexia, I struggle with spelling and grammar, secondly if it really bothers you maybe you could try helping me by PM'ing me and helping me to understand which is which.
Ridicule is not a good tool for learning!.
How about you chill the fuck out and actually try doing something useful and helping me to learn rather than just shoving unhelpful insults at me
Thanks!.
Peace.
joebot1 3 years ago
LordBrakensiek
YOU OBVIOSULY HAVE A GOD SIZE CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDERS.
LeedsUnited1984 3 years ago
it is not a real religion
but by attempting all the amazing intelligence seen everywhere,from an atom to a star, to dead,brainless,deaf,dumb,unconscious matter
even without wanting so,you accept all the things as fake gods
just like some Buddhists who claim everything is god including you and me
lol
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
That could not be more untrue if you tried!.
Naturalistic explanations exists for pretty much every example, ones that encapsulate very real and demonstrable truth!.
How anyone can't see that is pretty far beyond me man!.
the last point you make sounds more like pantheism than Buddhism.
joebot1 3 years ago