USA media has brainwashed we the ppl into believing communists socialists etc are evil wen perhaps they r the main reason why there is wars nd all that bad things as a revolutionary myself I say fuk them I'm glad I broke out of the brainwashing and im only 14 . I believe if we want to hav our country restored is we should start one last revolution nd my priority is to eliminate the Freemasons or illuminati watever they r called. Death to Capatilists dogs! I'll see u on the battlefield one day m
@MrDonVito89 Funny thing is The Common American people who believe the nonsense actually recieve a fair wage due to Socialism and the benefits of it.
I'm as right-wing Libertarian as they come. I believe in the freemarket and I will kill to protect it, but damnit, this song fucking rocks. You liberals really know how to make music. Let's get it the fuck on, and I'll be blasting this when you're nothing but a memory.
@JDPatriot Cheers for the words JD, we're about to release "Manifesto" & are writing for the one after that, "Soundtrack to a Revolution". Be a long time till we're just a memory but we're happy to rock out with ya in the meantime ;). keep kickin mate
@JDPatriot right wing AND libertarian? sounds like you never learned anything from the world. look at Somalia, as right wing libertarian as you get. i was once you, but i got educated.
Oh, my! Imagine this little granny rockin' out and clenchin' her fist on high to this rap. This song really expresses the anger and frustration that runaway capitalism has engendered in soooo many Americans. They just don't know they are socialists.....yet.
i TOTALY agree with this song but i disagree as those rich may be deceatful not sure but for me its the rich who offer the poor jobs and open company's to offer jobs and livvings to those in need so in a way i know the rich dont need as much as they have but in a way the rich aint toaly to blame its those in power who are Greedy
fucking brilliant, I adore this song, makes me want to go and wreak havoc in the name of justice. This group rocks my world!!! Thanks guys, when I most needed a distraction you brought it to me unlike all my supposed friends!!! Cheers! Yes to Group Solidarity!
good song agree with what they say, but here's the thing, you don't need to be poor to be a socialist. i come from a middle class family, but i believe in socialism
Keep in mind that 'middle class' and 'poor' are not Marxist classifications. Marxist class analysis is based on one's relationship to the means of production, not relative wealth. That the bourgeoisie are usually 'rich' is secondary -- and they are 'bad' because of the way in which they get their wealth, not the wealth itself.
If the proletariat could be made 'rich' -- power to them. And a poor bourgeoisie would still be fought against, like a meager slave owner.
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//If I don't own anything, how can I have rights or freedoms?//
Exactly. If the vast majority of society doesn't own the products of their labour, and certain groups of individuals use force to claim property in order to maintain ownernship over things that other individuals *actually need*, how can anyone be free? Marxism doesn't deny property rights; it defines them differently.
Why re-invent the wheel when it has been written so fine already?
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//If I don't own anything, how can I have rights or freedoms//
Exactly. If workers don't own the products of their labour, and if there exists people whose wealth is not the result of labour, how could either own be said to be free? Capitalism is not a meritocracy.
Capitalism, that is, the private ownership of the means of production, is thus not the absence of force in the market, but rather the particular use of force to protect a certain minority. The last thing the capitalists want is economic anarchy, since that would mean no intellectual property, no patents, and no copyrights. Moreover, if all land-ownership is based on force by default, there is no good reason why force cannot be used by the workers as well as the owners.
@scart69net the greed is on the government that restricts the free market by stealing our earnings for their own greed. The market hasn't been free since FDR. We live in a socialist state, where everyone lives at the expense of everyone else. Don't you dare talk about greed unless you are legally robbed every day like those of us who work for our living
@JDPatriot JD, let's cut the crap. Wall St raped America. The Capitalists RAPED the American people, kicked them out of their homes, stole billions of dollars from them & are the reason that the US is still sliding backwards. There are socialist based countries all around the world where the people have jobs, housing, healthcare, etc & all this boogeyman "reds under the bed" crap is tired old fear-mongering. There's no justification of greed & exploitation to benefit the few pigs at the top.
@scart69net he has a point that greed is on the government, but the fact is that free market fucked us over. It happened in 1929 and now it's happened again. We only have socialism when capitalism fails, as it has again. Read "Pity the Billionare" if you want to know what's going on and why the heck the Teabaggers exist.
@scart69net yeah, "capitalists" who are actually big government socialists addicted to the theft of taxation. I'm glad we both see the truth; that the free market is the only path to freedom.
Socialism is defined as worker ownership of the means of production; Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. That Capitalists use the infrastructure of the State for their own private goals does not make them socialists, rather it resembles a Corporatist economy, which is a defining characteristic of Fascism.
Moreover, the goal of Marxism is to make wealth directly related to labour and effort. So long as workers aren't compensated for the full value of their labour, and the bosses--whether private or govenrment--make profit through extracting this surplus labour from the productive class (see: Capitalists delegating their work to others, and still making more money than those to whom the work is delegated), it is not a true Socialism in the Marxist sense of the world.
Spoken like someone who truly understands the theoretical construction of business.
What you forget is that it is government mandated. So if you want to start a business but don't have the money, you are totally fucked. In Capitalism, you have the freedom to sell parts of your company to investors, thereby allowing yourself, through hard work, to change your lot in life.
In socialism, you stay where you are born; at the bottom.
//What you forget is that it is government mandated.//
Capitalism is by necessity government-mandated. The only way to resolve competing property claims is ultimately through force, and the only way to substantially differentiate between government and business in the first place--according to the Libertarians, the Objectivists, etc--is that government is defined as a monopoly on force. The difference between socialism and capitalism isn't one of government, or even of force.
//In Capitalism, you have the freedom to sell parts of your company to investors, thereby allowing yourself, through hard work, to change your lot in life.//
You have the de jure freedom, yes, however that is not what happens in reality. In reality, there is a de facto requirement, for the vast majority, to work while someone else profits off of it. That is, the defining characteristic is that under socialism the factory workers would earn the profit, not the shareholders.
Uhm, no, that's just not true. The fact is that you work and profit from it. Someone else does a desk job that you can't understand the difficulty of, and so you assume their profit comes from your work. What actually happens is that they do their own brand of work. Just because you cannot see value doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Productivity is unmeasurable. The only way to enforce a socialist society is through EXTREME brutality.
Where does legitimate profit come from, if not productivity, and if not labour? Where is the productivity in investing in meaningless derivative markets that consist of theoreticals, and serve only to potentially destabilize REAL markets? Productivity in terms of real assets (e.g., food, electricity, healthcare) can be and are measured.
//People want to be free, socialism is a pipe dream//
To which the Socialist retort is:
People want to be free, Capitalism is a pipe dream.
However, that's blatantly untrue. Capitalism = economic anarchy.
And how do you define labor? Physical labor? I can assure you, working as a Lawyer is more difficult than ANY welding job on the planet. Except perhaps undersea pipeline repair. Perhaps.
If I can't spend my money how I want i.e. investing, then do I own it? If I don't own it, do I own anything? If I don't own anything, how can I have rights or freedoms? The beggar cares more for money than the millionaire.
If only, if only. Tell me, what would property look like sans state? People would only be able to own what they were able to protect by force. And, being that land ownership would then be based on force--and those who owned would have the de facto right of governance over that land--they would not be fundamentally different than government in the first place.
Perhaps I was unclear. I meant to say that the "People want to be free, Capitalism is a pipe dream" statement was blatantly untrue.
Obviously government is a monopoly on force. That's probably the only thing that every single political philosophy agrees on; government IS force. It is the collective expression of the personal right to defend one's person, property, and liberty from plunder.
My argument is that socialism requires plunder. All redistribution of wealth is plunder.
//It is the collective expression of the personal right to defend one's person, property, and liberty from plunder.//
So, you admit that property rights arise from the state, which is based out of force? In other words, that property itself is based on force? If so, on what basis do you make the qualifying moral claim that modifying that labour, or redistributing it, is "plunder"? You can't use a non-aggression axiom because you have already stated that wealth is based on force.
Another problem is that you're assuming shallow classical liberal concepts, such as that capitalism is a free market--that is consists of free individuals, and that no coercion is involved (since in this formulation, the central difference between government and business is that the former has a monopoly on use of force). However, at the root of it, the only way that conflicting claims of property rights can be resolved is through force.
Similarly, forms of property that Locke or Smith could never have dreamed of have been created by the government--intellectual property, for instance, and also patents and copyrights. These types of property cannot exist sans state, and so the profits that arise from them must therefor be said to be a result of legislation. And, if this property arises from the state, then the state should reserve the right to tax it as it sees fit.
"Private property ... is a Creature of Society, and is subject to the Calls of that Society, whenever its Necessities shall require it, even to its last Farthing, its contributors therefore to the public Exigencies are not to be considered a Benefit on the Public, entitling the Contributors to the Distinctions of Honor and Power, but as the Return of an Obligation previously received, or as payment for a just Debt." - Benjamin Franklin
//In socialism, you stay where you are born; at the bottom.//
Socialism is about equal opportunity and making wealth directly related to productivity. It is only a secondary result that the difference in wealth will lessen.
@JDPatriot Yeah, whereas the "Capitalists" just decimated the American economy, caused a global financial meltdown with their greed & still want people to keep throwing money at their lil "faith based" religion to prop it up, money that they immedietely took home as bonuses while thousands loose their houses & become homeless. You're right, that ain't immature.
@scart69net Yeah okay whatever. Successful socialist countries like Greece and Venezuela, right?
Let's cut the crap. Wall Street and the government are intertwined. Wall Syreet is far too regulated to be the free market. The regulations lead to the collapse; banks forced to accept bad mortgages, etc.
This is fact. The pugs at the top are Ibama, Pelosi, Putin, and everyone else forcing people to live a certain way. They steal from us in the name of social justice.
@JDPatriot i like the way you name these presidents who have only just recently come to power. Like they have affected the last 10 years of what has been brought down on us all
Those are not Marxist presidents. They were marginally utilitarian in how they dealt with welfare, but utilitarianism are not the defining characteristics of Marxism (and in fact, Marx opposed such short-sighted utilitarianism). They did not allow for worker control of the means of production, but rather used the might of the state to allow for the continued existence of Capitalism. The best way to prevent a worker uprising is to give them just enough of the pie to pacify them.
@naitsirc23457@naitsirc23457 Marxism is based on ideas by Karl Marx. Youtube don't allow links to other site but try checking out wikipedia for independant info on it.
@scart69net ey man since watching this for the first time a few months ago ive gotten into politics exposing the evils of 'free" market capitalism. great song if only more people knew about it.Viva LA REVOLUTION!
@vivascargill yes i love stalin's acheivements of killing 4 million highly trained and technologically advanced nazis, half of them. and introduced many good socialist programs. I wouldn't say i support stalin 100%
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist."
Helder (dom) Camara. A Brazilian Catholic archbishop and Nobel peace prize laureate.
Such nice factual words from a religious man. Catholics have always attacked Communist Atheist states verbally and prefered the Catholic religious state in it's place. LOL. Some Catholics are religious communists. I think Comrade Robert Mugabe is one.
as a communist I say that USSR china or cuba is not perfect russia has tried (but I don't really know what putin has in his mind so fuck them). About cuba at least they are trying to hold with all the ambargo and blockades... Communism is not perfect but it is only 200 years old...
Putin was an ordinary capitalist president working for the interest of the big corporations in nowadays capitalist Russia (as was Yeltsin and as is Medvedev), the only Marxist general secretary of the state in the history of the USSR was V.I.Lenin. Marxism is 162 years old, but the Communist idea (when we count the pre-Marxist Communists too) is more than 4000 years old. Communist stage was already achieved on small and medium scales (Hussites, Catalonia, Kibbutz, ...).
Thank you for information but I already know these facts and I agree with you. There is only one part I disagree with you and this is the fact that there is another marxist general secretery who was Stalin. Anarchism and Trotsky heh? Keep reading comrade :)
cmon mate communism/peace/internationalism is what everyone dreams of, well not the rich opressors.
China, venezuela, cuba are so called socialist. I must admit they are not perfect, but they are at least trying hard to feed the poor, unlike USA and AUS where they ignore other countries, even though the people make their cars, clothes computers and tvs etc.
Most, MOST impressive! I've been to Cuba, and they simply have a better government there - free medical and education, subsidized housing (5% of income for house plus water, electric, as opposed to 25%-30% of income for housing in USA). And Cuba has leaders worthy of RESPECT!
@supermax1776 If you said that to people over in cuba they would call you ignorant if you want to trapped and be listened to and be watched at all times telling you what to do and if you dont do it and if they think you're plotting against them even if you're not they will kill you your whole family and anyone else who knows you so if you want to move to cuba then goodluck.
Wtf is your problem you idiots, cant you see? Communism is a broken system, it can never work. If everyone receives the same income do you think anybody will work hard twords anything. Why would you work as hard as you can when everybody else gets exactly what you do. Power is abused no matter what situation you put it in, so you cant say an anti-authoritarian governmental power would not be abused because the government will take advantage of the system
Free market capitalism just mega-fucked the entire world economy and now we're being told we have to hand over trillions of tax payers dollars to the same people that caused the problem so is that not an abuse of power? Capitalism with it's sweatshops, it's exploitation of weaker countries & individuals and it's dis-empowerment of the majority in order to give the rich more rights obviously doesn't work either so what's your suggestion. More of the same "Keep the Greedy in charge?"
It not capitalism that is the problem, it was the misuse of capitalism that has led to the economic problems, but no economic system is without flaw. Tell me one instance in history where communism has worked perfectly, and don't say china because china is NOT communist nor are they socialist the have a mixed economy and even that has its flaws. Capitalism will always beat communism in the long run look at the cold war. Power is abused in every government, no government is perfect
Look at the cold war. From a US foreign policy perspective, the cold war did not have anything do with Communism. Also, the great Communist Conspiracy did not exist in reality. You can get this from a variety of scholars, like William Blum, who assiduously study US foreign policy. China runs a state-capitalist economy similar to the US and most countries. So, most of the world runs a state-capitalist economy, and most of the world is poor. You're right, there's no government, like NO government.
@scart69net The answer lies in breaking down the doors of MPs and demanding change, they HAVE TO listen, if they don't we threaten them with the sack, they know their positions are based on very delicate and fragile ground, we do too and yet they rule not for us but for the money, a bit like an elephant being tied up with a little rope to a tiny tree, his spirit has been broken and he has been conditioned so he does what he's told.
So, you think equality can never exist? Do you think individuals would not participate in a society unless compelled by the profit motive? Do you stagnate, unless offered a dollar?
If the decision making ability were given to those who would be effected by those decisions, how would power be abused? Would the people choose to oppress themselves?
Did the ideas set forth by the Communist Manifesto somehow fail? When was that exactly?
"Communism" could mean a stage of the society - stateless classless moneyless (and stm. added "with shared goods"). "Communist movement" is movement aiming to that. So stalinism is not "communist mov.", cause it aimes to state-capitalist dictatorship and is stopping there. But by this definition both anarchosyndicalists, Marxists and even some true social democrats (and others...) are on the same boat as "generalized communists".
Anarchism is more or less a form of goverment, besides it never last for ever its just used to bring about change so new types of goverment can rise up again
Unless you're talking about authoritarian anarchism a-la anarcho syndicalism (which I would argue is more similar to council communism than anything), anarchism is generally based on the assumption that a gree, unregulated market will lead to increasingly equal wealth distribution (for left anarchists anyway, nevermind the Rothbardians), which is not verifiable. From what we have seen of unregulated market, aka capitalism, true market anarchism will lead to even worse class distinction.
And you know nothing of grammar and spelling, apparently. Communism isn't about authoritarianism or bureaucracy, it isn't like the Stalinist countries like that of the Soviet Union and Mao's China. Communism, and socialism, is about freedom, democracy, and rights to all peoples, classes, and demographics. It'd be best if you'd stop getting you research on communism from Conservapedia and American media outlets.
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Lol, I dont't watch media taken over by left wing nuts. I got my info from reading marx. Socialism is about heloing,but it dose not help. We don't need the goverment controling evry thing for us. The goverment shuld be there to protect are rights,and that is it. I rather live in a cave by myself,and for my self then in a marxisest country
Libertarianism, eh? Yeah, best wishes to you and your efforts at trying to centralize government to even fewer people with more power. Deregulation and applications of libertarianism have worked so well in the past, that's why the United States is doing so well right now, yes?
You don't need the govenment to control everything for a country to be socialist. There's also Worker's Self-Management. It's called Libertarian Socialism or Syndicalism.
Though I personally prefer Anarchism. Governments suck and so does Marx. But Anarcho-Syndicalism/Anarcho-Communism is pretty much the same thing as "LibSoc".
So does Marx?! Hey, do not confuse Marxism and Stalinism/Neostalinism. Marxism is not a bad theory. Maybe not complete, maybe not 100% good. But still very courageous. Marx was one of the first people who recoginesed what shit capitalism is and was also one of the first people who thought about the better society. Who you are to tell that he somehow "suck"?!
Yeah, there were some anti-capitalists and more generaly anti-oppressors befeore Marx. There also was some truly communist, or nearly truly communist unions of people since app.year -2000 (mostly on the low scale). E.g. mediaeval christian-communist organisation "Hussites" (in Bohemia), they put products of their work into special baskets and everyone who needed stg. can get it from there. They also called pope "anti-christ" and opposed to oppression by catholic church.
That's why catholic church along side with German emperor repeately attacked their land and after few decades crushed them. But they controlled land with population up to milions and is believed that their moneyless(and high probably also classless)system included up to at least tens if not hundreds of people. But these movements wasn't enough internationalist, universal (applicable into every country) and was forgotten. Marxism was probably first world-wide left-wing anti-capitalist movement...
which was also able to influence revolutions to overthrow feudalists and capitalists governments. But sadly, this movement was abused by leaders to their own ends. I support partialy Marxism and partialy Anarchism. Both are interesting ways to communism (as a stage of the society - classless stateless moneyless with common shared means of the production). BTW: It is symbolical that Marx and Bakunin were both members of the first Internationale, isn't it?
And, no offense, I very respect anarchists and their fight !! I know that 1st May is in memory of anarchists struggle and I know that they did a lot for working class. But saying "no" to Marxism is sectarianism and could help capitalists. The question if the state is needed to be dissolved at the same time as capitalism is more complicated and accepting a-priori answer could make our positions more fragile.
There have been several succesful anarchist revolutions where capitalism was easily overthrown and the transition to statelessness went smoothly and quickly. Anarchist Catalonia is a perfect example.
I don't care what you can say to excuse authoritarianism before liberty. A peaceful and official transition from state to statelessness is impossible, Politicians love their power and will try to hold onto it at all costs.
In the end, the communist state will only become an organic abomnition where the citizens are worked to the bone performing meaningless objectives for whatever "5 year plan" is in motion at the time while some propagandist on a loudspeaker convinces them that they're displaying the "freedom" and "might" of the workers; until every worker in the country is broken down, still looking forward to a promise that may never be fulfilled.
What about the "original concept of the soviet democracy" with country ruled by worker's counciles (soviets) designed from the local level (town soviet (could be added "street soviet in my opinion")) to the global level (supreme soviet)? People from more local soviets delegate few voted members into higher bodies. When needed country is ruled mainly by regional and supreme soviets and when possible (after the revolution) the power is given to local ones to dissolve power and the state in final.
Do you believe that nowadays Orwellist global capitalism could be fighted without organisation on the large or at least middle scale? I know that we can stop capitalism by just one simple global strike or just by "not believing in value of bank-notes", but these at least need massive propagandist organisation. Power must be controled through time-dependent constitution (including dissolvement of the state) and constitition guaranted through arming people instead of arming police or military.
...btw "arming people instead of police" I read first clearly from Lenin's works (but I know he tended to speak A and due to massive counter-revolution say "Oh, there will be no A, we must be realists" and do non A. Lenin philosopher - yes. Lenin politican - criticaly. Lenin's methods - cannot be used in the nowadays world)
But I feel I am spoiling the comment-place of this vid with spaming my personal positions, which is bad, since there is my channel for that. So, sorry.
I just wanted to say that "Do not write Marx off that quickly, he wasn't anarchist but he also wasn't authoritian and some his ideas could be very useful". It is about the balance - too much centralisation means dictatorship and is bad, too less centralisation means no revolution or revolution crushed and is bad too (Yes, there were counter-examples, thumbs up to them, but there were and still are, sadly, rare)...
too less centralisation means no revolution or revolution crushed and is bad too.
Is bad too, since "One non-revolutionary weekend is infinitely more bloody than a month of permanent revolution" (who's author, btw?)
That quote beyond is fitting when noticed that 14 milions people die every year due to hunger, 17 milions on healable illnesses and WW3 (due to global crissis) is on horizont. True change is needed.
You're right, it's a good example of success, but please note that Bolshevik revolution was sooner. On the other side, I must admit that a lot of "communists" were truly harsh, brutal against the anarchists in the name of "unity and order". Unity must be done through agreement and common principles not through force.
"A peaceful and official transition from state to statelessness is impossible" - Not neccessary. Your statement is very strong, difficult tasks doesn't have simple solutions.
Your ideas may work in THEORY, but let's look at reality: 1) Constitutions never last, America is proof of that. Power only grows more powerful. 2) Global strike is impossible. I don't even need to explain why. Systems should be taken down gradually one by one, the first revolution causing a domino effect of inspiration and enthusiasism. It can all be organized through hundreds of non-hierarchical unions, collectives, and sub-collectives; united willingly by common goals. No authority neccessary
No fucking more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tcdahn7 1 month ago
Thank your Diana M Beuttner for posting this on the Redneck Party fb page. Don’t usually like rap, but this is actually pretty good!
lucettelp 6 months ago 2
Anyone else notice as the economy collapses this song gets more views?
ahhhhjjjj 7 months ago 5
Stheno & Euryale are worth checking if you like this
ernesthemingfish 8 months ago
USA media has brainwashed we the ppl into believing communists socialists etc are evil wen perhaps they r the main reason why there is wars nd all that bad things as a revolutionary myself I say fuk them I'm glad I broke out of the brainwashing and im only 14 . I believe if we want to hav our country restored is we should start one last revolution nd my priority is to eliminate the Freemasons or illuminati watever they r called. Death to Capatilists dogs! I'll see u on the battlefield one day m
MrDonVito89 8 months ago 4
@MrDonVito89 Funny thing is The Common American people who believe the nonsense actually recieve a fair wage due to Socialism and the benefits of it.
They will not believe that though...
Hardworker1970 8 months ago
Привет товарищи Down with the capitalist pigs the proletariat wont stand their shit.
bolshevik117 9 months ago 6
I'm as right-wing Libertarian as they come. I believe in the freemarket and I will kill to protect it, but damnit, this song fucking rocks. You liberals really know how to make music. Let's get it the fuck on, and I'll be blasting this when you're nothing but a memory.
JDPatriot 9 months ago
@JDPatriot Cheers for the words JD, we're about to release "Manifesto" & are writing for the one after that, "Soundtrack to a Revolution". Be a long time till we're just a memory but we're happy to rock out with ya in the meantime ;). keep kickin mate
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ScartMolotov 9 months ago
@JDPatriot right wing AND libertarian? sounds like you never learned anything from the world. look at Somalia, as right wing libertarian as you get. i was once you, but i got educated.
MrEPICinDAhouse 6 months ago 2
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TheClayPeopleAreHere 10 months ago
Solidarity my brothers. Long live the Revolution!
JoshTehNinja 11 months ago 3
Hell yeah great song:
steadystef36 11 months ago
LONG LIVE SOCIALISM!
WittTristan 11 months ago
Oh, my! Imagine this little granny rockin' out and clenchin' her fist on high to this rap. This song really expresses the anger and frustration that runaway capitalism has engendered in soooo many Americans. They just don't know they are socialists.....yet.
MsZippity 11 months ago
Molotov-what does it mean
katinasvenska 11 months ago
Sorry I'm not in Australia guys!
Blarg93 11 months ago
GOOD JOB MOLOTOV!!!! :) HOPEFULLY YOU WAKE UP SOME PEOPLE WITH THIS.
Rusakova777 1 year ago
i TOTALY agree with this song but i disagree as those rich may be deceatful not sure but for me its the rich who offer the poor jobs and open company's to offer jobs and livvings to those in need so in a way i know the rich dont need as much as they have but in a way the rich aint toaly to blame its those in power who are Greedy
btw AWSOME tune
steel1010101 1 year ago
United we stand, working class people for ever!!
overlordje 1 year ago
Yea Iam Socialist !!! No capitalism !
Stalin646 1 year ago
Rumbling nicely now, the signs are there, the people will rise soon, we've had enough!
Viva Liberta!
10Ammar 1 year ago 2
Everyone on youtube should watch this, ESPECIALLY THE IGNORANT !
fallofthesystem 1 year ago 2
fucking brilliant, I adore this song, makes me want to go and wreak havoc in the name of justice. This group rocks my world!!! Thanks guys, when I most needed a distraction you brought it to me unlike all my supposed friends!!! Cheers! Yes to Group Solidarity!
mmissmelanie 1 year ago 2
good song agree with what they say, but here's the thing, you don't need to be poor to be a socialist. i come from a middle class family, but i believe in socialism
ClassicRock8 1 year ago 36
@ClassicRock8 @Jasonthegaiface @stevenebrey1 @PantherD1943
Cheers guys, glad ya like. in solidarity.
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scart69net 1 year ago 5
@ClassicRock8
Keep in mind that 'middle class' and 'poor' are not Marxist classifications. Marxist class analysis is based on one's relationship to the means of production, not relative wealth. That the bourgeoisie are usually 'rich' is secondary -- and they are 'bad' because of the way in which they get their wealth, not the wealth itself.
If the proletariat could be made 'rich' -- power to them. And a poor bourgeoisie would still be fought against, like a meager slave owner.
zynthysys 1 year ago
@zynthysys well said
ClassicRock8 1 year ago
@ClassicRock8
Hi Classic, they sing: "We're the left, we're the red, we're the noice in your head, WE'RE THE VOICE WHEN THE POOR SING..."
So you don't need to be 'poor' or working class aslong as you're voice is calling with them
Marx himself sad that, that is our revolutionairy task. Even if your from Midle Class decent, like the man himself, and Engels, and Lenin etc. ;))
One thing: "Trust the masses!"
There aint no POWER like the power of the people!!
Comradish greetings
Herrie H
herriehoog 1 year ago
@herriehoog i always heard it as, "we're the voice, we're the poor saying no fucking more", but whatever
ClassicRock8 1 year ago
@ClassicRock8 True, I'm upper middle and I'm a hardcore socialist.
WallisTylerJ 5 months ago
This song fucking owns!
Jasonthegaiface 1 year ago 2
Love this!
stevenebrey1 1 year ago
my ears just orgasmed. Viva la revolucion! From a fellow Socialist. NO FUCKIN MORE!
PantherD1943 1 year ago 19
@PantherD1943 cheers, in solidarity comrade
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scart69net 1 year ago 2
@PantherD1943 :)))))))) good comment!!!!!!!!!
kolokolchik19 1 year ago
We need more music like this. Let the Red Revolution live on, comrades. No fuckin more, no fuckin more!
cyanide444 1 year ago
//how do you define labor?//
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//If I don't own anything, how can I have rights or freedoms?//
Exactly. If the vast majority of society doesn't own the products of their labour, and certain groups of individuals use force to claim property in order to maintain ownernship over things that other individuals *actually need*, how can anyone be free? Marxism doesn't deny property rights; it defines them differently.
zynthysys 1 year ago
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//And how do you define labor? //
Why re-invent the wheel when it has been written so fine already?
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//If I don't own anything, how can I have rights or freedoms//
Exactly. If workers don't own the products of their labour, and if there exists people whose wealth is not the result of labour, how could either own be said to be free? Capitalism is not a meritocracy.
zynthysys 1 year ago
Capitalism, that is, the private ownership of the means of production, is thus not the absence of force in the market, but rather the particular use of force to protect a certain minority. The last thing the capitalists want is economic anarchy, since that would mean no intellectual property, no patents, and no copyrights. Moreover, if all land-ownership is based on force by default, there is no good reason why force cannot be used by the workers as well as the owners.
zynthysys 1 year ago
@scart69net the greed is on the government that restricts the free market by stealing our earnings for their own greed. The market hasn't been free since FDR. We live in a socialist state, where everyone lives at the expense of everyone else. Don't you dare talk about greed unless you are legally robbed every day like those of us who work for our living
JDPatriot 1 year ago
@JDPatriot JD, let's cut the crap. Wall St raped America. The Capitalists RAPED the American people, kicked them out of their homes, stole billions of dollars from them & are the reason that the US is still sliding backwards. There are socialist based countries all around the world where the people have jobs, housing, healthcare, etc & all this boogeyman "reds under the bed" crap is tired old fear-mongering. There's no justification of greed & exploitation to benefit the few pigs at the top.
scart69net 1 year ago 12
@scart69net he has a point that greed is on the government, but the fact is that free market fucked us over. It happened in 1929 and now it's happened again. We only have socialism when capitalism fails, as it has again. Read "Pity the Billionare" if you want to know what's going on and why the heck the Teabaggers exist.
WallisTylerJ 1 month ago
@WallisTylerJ or at least just the intro.
WallisTylerJ 1 month ago
@scart69net yeah, "capitalists" who are actually big government socialists addicted to the theft of taxation. I'm glad we both see the truth; that the free market is the only path to freedom.
JDPatriot 1 year ago
@JDPatriot "Mindless Unfettered Greed" will set you free? Failed everytime so far but i'm SURE it'll work THIS time, huh? ;)
scart69net 1 year ago
@JDPatriot
Socialism is defined as worker ownership of the means of production; Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. That Capitalists use the infrastructure of the State for their own private goals does not make them socialists, rather it resembles a Corporatist economy, which is a defining characteristic of Fascism.
zynthysys 1 year ago
@zynthysys
Moreover, the goal of Marxism is to make wealth directly related to labour and effort. So long as workers aren't compensated for the full value of their labour, and the bosses--whether private or govenrment--make profit through extracting this surplus labour from the productive class (see: Capitalists delegating their work to others, and still making more money than those to whom the work is delegated), it is not a true Socialism in the Marxist sense of the world.
zynthysys 1 year ago
@zynthysys
Spoken like someone who truly understands the theoretical construction of business.
What you forget is that it is government mandated. So if you want to start a business but don't have the money, you are totally fucked. In Capitalism, you have the freedom to sell parts of your company to investors, thereby allowing yourself, through hard work, to change your lot in life.
In socialism, you stay where you are born; at the bottom.
JDPatriot 1 year ago
@JDPatriot
//What you forget is that it is government mandated.//
Capitalism is by necessity government-mandated. The only way to resolve competing property claims is ultimately through force, and the only way to substantially differentiate between government and business in the first place--according to the Libertarians, the Objectivists, etc--is that government is defined as a monopoly on force. The difference between socialism and capitalism isn't one of government, or even of force.
zynthysys 1 year ago
@JDPatriot
//In Capitalism, you have the freedom to sell parts of your company to investors, thereby allowing yourself, through hard work, to change your lot in life.//
You have the de jure freedom, yes, however that is not what happens in reality. In reality, there is a de facto requirement, for the vast majority, to work while someone else profits off of it. That is, the defining characteristic is that under socialism the factory workers would earn the profit, not the shareholders.
zynthysys 1 year ago
@zynthysys
Uhm, no, that's just not true. The fact is that you work and profit from it. Someone else does a desk job that you can't understand the difficulty of, and so you assume their profit comes from your work. What actually happens is that they do their own brand of work. Just because you cannot see value doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Productivity is unmeasurable. The only way to enforce a socialist society is through EXTREME brutality.
People want to be free, socialism is a pipe dream
JDPatriot 1 year ago
@JDPatriot
Where does legitimate profit come from, if not productivity, and if not labour? Where is the productivity in investing in meaningless derivative markets that consist of theoreticals, and serve only to potentially destabilize REAL markets? Productivity in terms of real assets (e.g., food, electricity, healthcare) can be and are measured.
//People want to be free, socialism is a pipe dream//
To which the Socialist retort is:
People want to be free, Capitalism is a pipe dream.
zynthysys 1 year ago
@zynthysys
However, that's blatantly untrue. Capitalism = economic anarchy.
And how do you define labor? Physical labor? I can assure you, working as a Lawyer is more difficult than ANY welding job on the planet. Except perhaps undersea pipeline repair. Perhaps.
If I can't spend my money how I want i.e. investing, then do I own it? If I don't own it, do I own anything? If I don't own anything, how can I have rights or freedoms? The beggar cares more for money than the millionaire.
JDPatriot 1 year ago
@JDPatriot
//However, that's blatantly untrue. Capitalism = economic anarchy.//
If only, if only. Tell me, what would property look like sans state? People would only be able to own what they were able to protect by force. And, being that land ownership would then be based on force--and those who owned would have the de facto right of governance over that land--they would not be fundamentally different than government in the first place.
zynthysys 1 year ago
@zynthysys
Perhaps I was unclear. I meant to say that the "People want to be free, Capitalism is a pipe dream" statement was blatantly untrue.
Obviously government is a monopoly on force. That's probably the only thing that every single political philosophy agrees on; government IS force. It is the collective expression of the personal right to defend one's person, property, and liberty from plunder.
My argument is that socialism requires plunder. All redistribution of wealth is plunder.
JDPatriot 1 year ago
@JDPatriot
//It is the collective expression of the personal right to defend one's person, property, and liberty from plunder.//
So, you admit that property rights arise from the state, which is based out of force? In other words, that property itself is based on force? If so, on what basis do you make the qualifying moral claim that modifying that labour, or redistributing it, is "plunder"? You can't use a non-aggression axiom because you have already stated that wealth is based on force.
zynthysys 1 year ago
@JDPatriot
//All redistribution of wealth is plunder.//
Exactly. And what better term to use for extracting surplus labour, or the profiting off of other's work, than "plunder"?
zynthysys 1 year ago
@JDPatriot
Another problem is that you're assuming shallow classical liberal concepts, such as that capitalism is a free market--that is consists of free individuals, and that no coercion is involved (since in this formulation, the central difference between government and business is that the former has a monopoly on use of force). However, at the root of it, the only way that conflicting claims of property rights can be resolved is through force.
zynthysys 1 year ago
@JDPatriot
Similarly, forms of property that Locke or Smith could never have dreamed of have been created by the government--intellectual property, for instance, and also patents and copyrights. These types of property cannot exist sans state, and so the profits that arise from them must therefor be said to be a result of legislation. And, if this property arises from the state, then the state should reserve the right to tax it as it sees fit.
zynthysys 1 year ago
@JDPatriot
"Private property ... is a Creature of Society, and is subject to the Calls of that Society, whenever its Necessities shall require it, even to its last Farthing, its contributors therefore to the public Exigencies are not to be considered a Benefit on the Public, entitling the Contributors to the Distinctions of Honor and Power, but as the Return of an Obligation previously received, or as payment for a just Debt." - Benjamin Franklin
zynthysys 1 year ago
@JDPatriot
//In socialism, you stay where you are born; at the bottom.//
Socialism is about equal opportunity and making wealth directly related to productivity. It is only a secondary result that the difference in wealth will lessen.
zynthysys 1 year ago
too bad they're socialists, they have a good sound.
JDPatriot 1 year ago
@JDPatriot HAHAHA. That's pretty much what George Bush's lil girls said about Rage Against The Machine apparently.
scart69net 1 year ago
@scart69net
lol, well then I agree with them on something. Socialism is so 8th grade lol, like getting high on cough syrup.
JDPatriot 1 year ago
@JDPatriot Yeah, whereas the "Capitalists" just decimated the American economy, caused a global financial meltdown with their greed & still want people to keep throwing money at their lil "faith based" religion to prop it up, money that they immedietely took home as bonuses while thousands loose their houses & become homeless. You're right, that ain't immature.
It's criminal.
scart69net 1 year ago
@scart69net Yeah okay whatever. Successful socialist countries like Greece and Venezuela, right?
Let's cut the crap. Wall Street and the government are intertwined. Wall Syreet is far too regulated to be the free market. The regulations lead to the collapse; banks forced to accept bad mortgages, etc.
This is fact. The pugs at the top are Ibama, Pelosi, Putin, and everyone else forcing people to live a certain way. They steal from us in the name of social justice.
Wake up already.
JDPatriot 1 year ago
@JDPatriot i like the way you name these presidents who have only just recently come to power. Like they have affected the last 10 years of what has been brought down on us all
destinationuknown85 1 year ago
@destinationuknown85
Wilson. FDR. U.S. Grant.... I can keep going on, but I highly doubt my name dropping is going to convince you of anything. Or maybe it will.
JDPatriot 1 year ago
@JDPatriot
Those are not Marxist presidents. They were marginally utilitarian in how they dealt with welfare, but utilitarianism are not the defining characteristics of Marxism (and in fact, Marx opposed such short-sighted utilitarianism). They did not allow for worker control of the means of production, but rather used the might of the state to allow for the continued existence of Capitalism. The best way to prevent a worker uprising is to give them just enough of the pie to pacify them.
zynthysys 1 year ago
whats marxism?
naitsirc23457 1 year ago
@naitsirc23457 @naitsirc23457 Marxism is based on ideas by Karl Marx. Youtube don't allow links to other site but try checking out wikipedia for independant info on it.
cheers for the fav mate.
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scart69net 1 year ago 2
@scart69net ey man since watching this for the first time a few months ago ive gotten into politics exposing the evils of 'free" market capitalism. great song if only more people knew about it.Viva LA REVOLUTION!
naitsirc23457 1 year ago
@naitsirc23457 yah i kinda just want the basics
naitsirc23457 1 year ago
always inspiring
freebird199 1 year ago
hell of a song, I just wish I could get my hands on the original studio files so I could mix the vocals better.
LastKissGoodbye 1 year ago
@LastKissGoodbye cheers for that mate. Yeah, this demo was recorded on a home mac w/ crap mics, may re-record when we get in studio. cheers.
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scart69net 1 year ago
Kick arse video and kick arse words, very clever, very well done guys.
TonyAugust1964 1 year ago
Fuck Capitolists. Fuck 'em all, all they want is the worlds fucken' money to themselves.
TylerDukart 1 year ago
Great video :D
Lilycha100 1 year ago
I raise the red flag, Capitolism for the fail. Capitolism is all about greed.
forwardbias 1 year ago
Wow! That's really cool. You should post it in HD too!
ellingfragatas 2 years ago
glory to Stalin Comrade Molotov!! You can argue next time you tear the guts out of Nazi scum
vivascargill 2 years ago
@vivascargill yes i love stalin's acheivements of killing 4 million highly trained and technologically advanced nazis, half of them. and introduced many good socialist programs. I wouldn't say i support stalin 100%
AntifaAustralia 1 year ago
@AntifaAustralia fair enough
vivascargill 1 year ago
there's never been an actual experiment in REAL communism... besides maybe those transcendentalist collectives in the 1800s.
OneRadRudeboy 2 years ago
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ele143 2 years ago
Keep up the good work, Comrades! Great video and thank you for posting.
TreblePop 2 years ago
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist."
Helder (dom) Camara. A Brazilian Catholic archbishop and Nobel peace prize laureate.
Such nice factual words from a religious man. Catholics have always attacked Communist Atheist states verbally and prefered the Catholic religious state in it's place. LOL. Some Catholics are religious communists. I think Comrade Robert Mugabe is one.
AntifaAustralia 2 years ago
Love This Song & Video!!!!!
Socialist71 2 years ago
I gotta get a big screen monitor. This is entertainment!
StratusBlue 2 years ago
as a communist I say that USSR china or cuba is not perfect russia has tried (but I don't really know what putin has in his mind so fuck them). About cuba at least they are trying to hold with all the ambargo and blockades... Communism is not perfect but it is only 200 years old...
TheBlindPowerslave 2 years ago 2
@TheBlindPowerslave:
Putin was an ordinary capitalist president working for the interest of the big corporations in nowadays capitalist Russia (as was Yeltsin and as is Medvedev), the only Marxist general secretary of the state in the history of the USSR was V.I.Lenin. Marxism is 162 years old, but the Communist idea (when we count the pre-Marxist Communists too) is more than 4000 years old. Communist stage was already achieved on small and medium scales (Hussites, Catalonia, Kibbutz, ...).
AnarchoTrotskist 2 years ago 5
Thank you for information but I already know these facts and I agree with you. There is only one part I disagree with you and this is the fact that there is another marxist general secretery who was Stalin. Anarchism and Trotsky heh? Keep reading comrade :)
TheBlindPowerslave 2 years ago
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I'm a die-hard capitalist. A purist. I think John Maynard Keynes destroyed western civilization.
But this song is fuckin' dope lol.
JDPatriot 2 years ago
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I hate comunists , but this song its for every1 right left capitalists , any1 who cares about this shity world !!!!!!
peace brothers...
XxXFLOoXxX 2 years ago
I hate capitalists , capitalists... no.
freebird199 2 years ago 23
cmon mate communism/peace/internationalism is what everyone dreams of, well not the rich opressors.
China, venezuela, cuba are so called socialist. I must admit they are not perfect, but they are at least trying hard to feed the poor, unlike USA and AUS where they ignore other countries, even though the people make their cars, clothes computers and tvs etc.
AntifaAustralia 2 years ago 7
china isnt communist its an autocrachy
dazza5266 2 years ago 3
Kalishnikov, good looks on the link - Ded PoEttz soPSYeti finding truth via link up! Viva R!
JohnnyWarbux 2 years ago
Most, MOST impressive! I've been to Cuba, and they simply have a better government there - free medical and education, subsidized housing (5% of income for house plus water, electric, as opposed to 25%-30% of income for housing in USA). And Cuba has leaders worthy of RESPECT!
Excellent jam and vid, 5 stars and fav'ed.
supermax1776 2 years ago 35
@supermax1776 then why are people fleeing the country ?
naitsirc23457 1 year ago
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TheMexOfAmerica 1 year ago
@supermax1776 If you said that to people over in cuba they would call you ignorant if you want to trapped and be listened to and be watched at all times telling you what to do and if you dont do it and if they think you're plotting against them even if you're not they will kill you your whole family and anyone else who knows you so if you want to move to cuba then goodluck.
TheMexOfAmerica 11 months ago
@TheMexOfAmerica
have you ever been in cuba or the information that you got are from your "free american media" like fox?
MaximilianHorizon 11 months ago
This is fucking sick.
facistkiller21 2 years ago 6
I fucking agree! great stuff molotov!
AntifaAustralia 2 years ago 4
dope beat but better and stronger words
mm23203 2 years ago 8
dope
w0r1dpeace 2 years ago 5
5 stars, fav'd and featured on my page....amazing
erkd1 2 years ago 5
DOPE!!!!!!!! thanks for pointing me at this erik.
w0r1dpeace 2 years ago 7
Doesn't get much better than this for the most inspiring music/lyrics.
"Power to the people!" It's up to us, we can do this.
lorri37 2 years ago 10
Socialismo o muerte my friend.
favoritied and subscribed. is this you singing?
Workers of the World Unite!, You have nothing to lose but your chains!
Unbannable 2 years ago 12
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Wtf is your problem you idiots, cant you see? Communism is a broken system, it can never work. If everyone receives the same income do you think anybody will work hard twords anything. Why would you work as hard as you can when everybody else gets exactly what you do. Power is abused no matter what situation you put it in, so you cant say an anti-authoritarian governmental power would not be abused because the government will take advantage of the system
Razor6731 2 years ago
Free market capitalism just mega-fucked the entire world economy and now we're being told we have to hand over trillions of tax payers dollars to the same people that caused the problem so is that not an abuse of power? Capitalism with it's sweatshops, it's exploitation of weaker countries & individuals and it's dis-empowerment of the majority in order to give the rich more rights obviously doesn't work either so what's your suggestion. More of the same "Keep the Greedy in charge?"
scart69net 2 years ago
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It not capitalism that is the problem, it was the misuse of capitalism that has led to the economic problems, but no economic system is without flaw. Tell me one instance in history where communism has worked perfectly, and don't say china because china is NOT communist nor are they socialist the have a mixed economy and even that has its flaws. Capitalism will always beat communism in the long run look at the cold war. Power is abused in every government, no government is perfect
Razor6731 2 years ago
Look at the cold war. From a US foreign policy perspective, the cold war did not have anything do with Communism. Also, the great Communist Conspiracy did not exist in reality. You can get this from a variety of scholars, like William Blum, who assiduously study US foreign policy. China runs a state-capitalist economy similar to the US and most countries. So, most of the world runs a state-capitalist economy, and most of the world is poor. You're right, there's no government, like NO government.
AnarchyDavey 2 years ago 10
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Unbannable 2 years ago
@scart69net The answer lies in breaking down the doors of MPs and demanding change, they HAVE TO listen, if they don't we threaten them with the sack, they know their positions are based on very delicate and fragile ground, we do too and yet they rule not for us but for the money, a bit like an elephant being tied up with a little rope to a tiny tree, his spirit has been broken and he has been conditioned so he does what he's told.
TonyAugust1964 1 year ago
So, you think equality can never exist? Do you think individuals would not participate in a society unless compelled by the profit motive? Do you stagnate, unless offered a dollar?
If the decision making ability were given to those who would be effected by those decisions, how would power be abused? Would the people choose to oppress themselves?
Did the ideas set forth by the Communist Manifesto somehow fail? When was that exactly?
AnarchyDavey 2 years ago 9
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No matter how much you want it to communism will never be anti-authoritarian. Look at history
Razor6731 2 years ago
which is why I'm a socialist.
scart69net 2 years ago
@Razor6731:
"Communism" could mean a stage of the society - stateless classless moneyless (and stm. added "with shared goods"). "Communist movement" is movement aiming to that. So stalinism is not "communist mov.", cause it aimes to state-capitalist dictatorship and is stopping there. But by this definition both anarchosyndicalists, Marxists and even some true social democrats (and others...) are on the same boat as "generalized communists".
AnarchoTrotskist 2 years ago
Great song.
Death to all forms of the oppression!
Long live the anti-authoritian communism!
mi3a 3 years ago 9
Listen Daily. It's better than vitamins.
StratusBlue 3 years ago 19
Utterly Righteous!
StratusBlue 3 years ago 6
Real nice. 5 starts and fav
DrGoat06 3 years ago 9
Excellent song!
ChenoCasbo 3 years ago 8
When I need inspiration, this is the song I listen to. Works every time. Love you guys.
lorri37 3 years ago 4
I agree goverments do suck. I would much rather have Anarchism.
nero8289 3 years ago
Anarchism is more or less a form of goverment, besides it never last for ever its just used to bring about change so new types of goverment can rise up again
davisthc4 3 years ago
Unless you're talking about authoritarian anarchism a-la anarcho syndicalism (which I would argue is more similar to council communism than anything), anarchism is generally based on the assumption that a gree, unregulated market will lead to increasingly equal wealth distribution (for left anarchists anyway, nevermind the Rothbardians), which is not verifiable. From what we have seen of unregulated market, aka capitalism, true market anarchism will lead to even worse class distinction.
st1rn3r 3 years ago 4
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we do not have unregulated capitalisim. We have not had a tru free market in a long time.
nero8289 3 years ago
I don't like Communism or Rap, cos I'm an Anarchist Metalhead, but this song just gets me so fucking PUMPED!!
Onward, comrades, the struggle continues!
evilmick66 3 years ago 3
long live the proleteriat nice video il give it 5 workers of the world unite
MARXtheCOMRADE 3 years ago 13
Rap on brothers! Socialism!
Fernick 3 years ago 13
Great Video, favorite and 5 stars from the Leftie from Sweden!
TheKillerCobra 3 years ago 7
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not only do I dissagree witht he song,but i don't realy care for it. You guys know nothing of Communisim,or Capatlist
nero8289 3 years ago
And you know nothing of grammar and spelling, apparently. Communism isn't about authoritarianism or bureaucracy, it isn't like the Stalinist countries like that of the Soviet Union and Mao's China. Communism, and socialism, is about freedom, democracy, and rights to all peoples, classes, and demographics. It'd be best if you'd stop getting you research on communism from Conservapedia and American media outlets.
Blarg93 3 years ago 17
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Lol, I dont't watch media taken over by left wing nuts. I got my info from reading marx. Socialism is about heloing,but it dose not help. We don't need the goverment controling evry thing for us. The goverment shuld be there to protect are rights,and that is it. I rather live in a cave by myself,and for my self then in a marxisest country
nero8289 3 years ago
Libertarianism, eh? Yeah, best wishes to you and your efforts at trying to centralize government to even fewer people with more power. Deregulation and applications of libertarianism have worked so well in the past, that's why the United States is doing so well right now, yes?
Blarg93 3 years ago 9
nero8289:
You don't need the govenment to control everything for a country to be socialist. There's also Worker's Self-Management. It's called Libertarian Socialism or Syndicalism.
Though I personally prefer Anarchism. Governments suck and so does Marx. But Anarcho-Syndicalism/Anarcho-Communism is pretty much the same thing as "LibSoc".
evilmick66 3 years ago
So does Marx?! Hey, do not confuse Marxism and Stalinism/Neostalinism. Marxism is not a bad theory. Maybe not complete, maybe not 100% good. But still very courageous. Marx was one of the first people who recoginesed what shit capitalism is and was also one of the first people who thought about the better society. Who you are to tell that he somehow "suck"?!
AnarchoTrotskist 2 years ago
There were many who saw the corruption of capitalism long before Marx.
evilmick66 2 years ago
Yeah, there were some anti-capitalists and more generaly anti-oppressors befeore Marx. There also was some truly communist, or nearly truly communist unions of people since app.year -2000 (mostly on the low scale). E.g. mediaeval christian-communist organisation "Hussites" (in Bohemia), they put products of their work into special baskets and everyone who needed stg. can get it from there. They also called pope "anti-christ" and opposed to oppression by catholic church.
AnarchoTrotskist 2 years ago
That's why catholic church along side with German emperor repeately attacked their land and after few decades crushed them. But they controlled land with population up to milions and is believed that their moneyless(and high probably also classless)system included up to at least tens if not hundreds of people. But these movements wasn't enough internationalist, universal (applicable into every country) and was forgotten. Marxism was probably first world-wide left-wing anti-capitalist movement...
AnarchoTrotskist 2 years ago
which was also able to influence revolutions to overthrow feudalists and capitalists governments. But sadly, this movement was abused by leaders to their own ends. I support partialy Marxism and partialy Anarchism. Both are interesting ways to communism (as a stage of the society - classless stateless moneyless with common shared means of the production). BTW: It is symbolical that Marx and Bakunin were both members of the first Internationale, isn't it?
AnarchoTrotskist 2 years ago
And, no offense, I very respect anarchists and their fight !! I know that 1st May is in memory of anarchists struggle and I know that they did a lot for working class. But saying "no" to Marxism is sectarianism and could help capitalists. The question if the state is needed to be dissolved at the same time as capitalism is more complicated and accepting a-priori answer could make our positions more fragile.
AnarchoTrotskist 2 years ago
There have been several succesful anarchist revolutions where capitalism was easily overthrown and the transition to statelessness went smoothly and quickly. Anarchist Catalonia is a perfect example.
I don't care what you can say to excuse authoritarianism before liberty. A peaceful and official transition from state to statelessness is impossible, Politicians love their power and will try to hold onto it at all costs.
evilmick66 2 years ago
In the end, the communist state will only become an organic abomnition where the citizens are worked to the bone performing meaningless objectives for whatever "5 year plan" is in motion at the time while some propagandist on a loudspeaker convinces them that they're displaying the "freedom" and "might" of the workers; until every worker in the country is broken down, still looking forward to a promise that may never be fulfilled.
evilmick66 2 years ago
What about the "original concept of the soviet democracy" with country ruled by worker's counciles (soviets) designed from the local level (town soviet (could be added "street soviet in my opinion")) to the global level (supreme soviet)? People from more local soviets delegate few voted members into higher bodies. When needed country is ruled mainly by regional and supreme soviets and when possible (after the revolution) the power is given to local ones to dissolve power and the state in final.
AnarchoTrotskist 2 years ago
Concentrated power will always pervert ideals.
evilmick66 2 years ago
Do you believe that nowadays Orwellist global capitalism could be fighted without organisation on the large or at least middle scale? I know that we can stop capitalism by just one simple global strike or just by "not believing in value of bank-notes", but these at least need massive propagandist organisation. Power must be controled through time-dependent constitution (including dissolvement of the state) and constitition guaranted through arming people instead of arming police or military.
AnarchoTrotskist 2 years ago
...btw "arming people instead of police" I read first clearly from Lenin's works (but I know he tended to speak A and due to massive counter-revolution say "Oh, there will be no A, we must be realists" and do non A. Lenin philosopher - yes. Lenin politican - criticaly. Lenin's methods - cannot be used in the nowadays world)
But I feel I am spoiling the comment-place of this vid with spaming my personal positions, which is bad, since there is my channel for that. So, sorry.
AnarchoTrotskist 2 years ago
I just wanted to say that "Do not write Marx off that quickly, he wasn't anarchist but he also wasn't authoritian and some his ideas could be very useful". It is about the balance - too much centralisation means dictatorship and is bad, too less centralisation means no revolution or revolution crushed and is bad too (Yes, there were counter-examples, thumbs up to them, but there were and still are, sadly, rare)...
AnarchoTrotskist 2 years ago
too less centralisation means no revolution or revolution crushed and is bad too.
Is bad too, since "One non-revolutionary weekend is infinitely more bloody than a month of permanent revolution" (who's author, btw?)
That quote beyond is fitting when noticed that 14 milions people die every year due to hunger, 17 milions on healable illnesses and WW3 (due to global crissis) is on horizont. True change is needed.
AnarchoTrotskist 2 years ago
You're right, it's a good example of success, but please note that Bolshevik revolution was sooner. On the other side, I must admit that a lot of "communists" were truly harsh, brutal against the anarchists in the name of "unity and order". Unity must be done through agreement and common principles not through force.
"A peaceful and official transition from state to statelessness is impossible" - Not neccessary. Your statement is very strong, difficult tasks doesn't have simple solutions.
AnarchoTrotskist 2 years ago
Your ideas may work in THEORY, but let's look at reality: 1) Constitutions never last, America is proof of that. Power only grows more powerful. 2) Global strike is impossible. I don't even need to explain why. Systems should be taken down gradually one by one, the first revolution causing a domino effect of inspiration and enthusiasism. It can all be organized through hundreds of non-hierarchical unions, collectives, and sub-collectives; united willingly by common goals. No authority neccessary
evilmick66 2 years ago 2
Fucking awesome, you guys need to make more songs like this.
Blarg93 3 years ago 14
have they a CD ore something?
50gang 3 years ago 5
Beautiful, mates!!! Thank you for your awesome music and lyrics!!!! You rock the world!!
treesrwe 3 years ago 24
Well done guys. Peace out from Perth.
~prolelicious/ann_ominous/peculiar_mujahida
prolelicious 3 years ago 21
Thanks for making this video of my favorite song by my favorite band! Love you guys! You speak for many.
lorri37 3 years ago 24
This an awesome video!!!!!!! Kick ass comrades
From: Socialist Party of Florida
amsterdam78 3 years ago 27