The sad truth behind Egypt - The treatment of Copts

[sutonchef]

ISLAM WILL PAY FOR ITS CRIMES ONE DAY THE FIRE IS COMING

[cruzade100]

ISLAM=kill

[xTemplar1]

this is typical islam !

[PandemicMadness]

muslims are doing what they do best: committing violence against minorities.

Islam is all about the marriage of the mosque with the state - the exact opposite of modern western civilisation.

Islam is a sick, disgusting death cult for perverted men.

[nevernohijab]

Capital: Algier

Religion: The state religion of Algeria is Islam.

Taken from the website of the Algerian embassy in Germany.

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

The Majority of the Algerian population is Muslim.

But it's not an Islamic state, which means that Islamic rules are not applied in Algeria.

Muslims have mosques and they pray freely like everywhere, but the country doesn't rule with the Islamic law.

Officially The People's Democratic Republic of Algeria

الجمهورية الجزائرية الديمقراطية الشّعبية

It doesn't need any explanation further.

[nevernohijab]

@Dboy61073 they pray freely everywhere - as opposed to the Christians in their country.

It has declared that Islam is state religion.

[nevernohijab]

And I - as a non-muslim and a woman - do not feel safe anywhere in the muslim world. There are certainly great people among them, in particular the women are brave and after all, we are all human.

But the religion of Islam gives most of them an aggressive and violent twist, when conversation addresses the subject and someone disagrees, like you :)

[nevernohijab]

And all in the name of Allah.

I am sorry, Dboy, I can't believe in a God who first creates man with an inquisitive and creative mind and then prohibits man to investigate and question and doubt.

All roads lead back to God anyway, from any direction.

So why being afraid of intellectual and religious freedom?

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

Don't try to be the victim in this conversation, you insulted and accused the Qur'an of ordering people to lie, and then when i asked you for a proof (which u said u have) u couldn't get me even 1 verse.

And you lied about Algeria being an Islamic government.

And you lied when u tried to manipulate words that i corrected you.

And then u talk about intellect.

Intellect with the truth, and that's exactly what i am doing, unlike you.

So who's the fanatic ?

[nevernohijab]

@Dboy61073 all I said was true.

[nevernohijab]

There's another vid here titled:

Muslims throw garbage and stones at the funeral of Christian Martyrs Nag Hammadi-Egypt

How noble and peace-loving!

[nevernohijab]

The most tolerant religion has eradicated all other spiritual life wherever it went.

[nevernohijab]

But I have seen women looking after a number of children NOTdrinking from sunrise to sunset and nearly collapsing. In almost every household I've seen, there was violence against women. And - with your kind permission - tolerance is not an Islamic concept. It is used to gain ground from us kuffar. It is demanded. But never granted. Am I not right?

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

Stop attacking our religion, we fast as God and the Prophet ordered us, that's our thing not yours.

And what your talking about here is "Individual acts" and Islam is the most tolerant religion, we believe in the all prophets and all the original scriptures that was sent on Moses and Jesus, while Jews don't believe in Jesus as the true Messiah, and christians don't believe in Muhammad as a true Prophet, while Muslims believe in Moses, Jesus as the true Messiah and Muhammad.

[nevernohijab]

@Dboy61073 Stop attacking YOUR religion???

Are you in your right mind?

First of all, criticism is not an attack. And if you want freedom of them mind you must admit it in all its forms.

Secondly: We are talking about persecuted Copts, Christians, Bahais all over the islamic world.

Mind you: persecuted, killed, punished - NOT critizised.!

[nevernohijab]

And what do you think about the concept of Takyya?

It was amply testified below?

And actually, yes, we would like to do in our countries what we want but we in Germany have 3 million Turkish muslims that have not much to contribute except their constant whimpering and whining on how underprivileged they are, while Christians are persecuted all over Turkey.

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

Taqiyya means being (Religious, Pious, Devout) so stfu and understand what your saying.

"You" yourself said ("Qur'an quotation in the next comment"), and after about 7 comments u didn't show me 1 verse, "That" proves how false you are :]

I told u before, if you don't have a proof of what ur saying, stfu and don't waste my time.

Islam is the only true religion, even the jews used to pray like us, and your own bible tells u to pray like us.

You just ignore the truth.

[nevernohijab]

@Dboy61073 maybe we can talk without the four-letter word, don't you think.

We can agree in so far as lying is a generic human weakness throughout all cultures etc.

My point is to prove that lying in Islam is seen much more relatively than in Christianity. I don't care in which of the Islamic authoritative scriptures it is found.

In addition, I have my observation. If I hadn't lived in a Islamic country and had not seen Islam's backwardness, I might accept what you say.

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

If you really wanted to talk without the "four letter word" then u shouldn't have attacked my religion and throw us with false accusations.

"You" lied when u said that u have a proof, while u don't.

There isn't such thing as "islamic backwardness", we have 9 million christians in Egypt and they aren't any diffrent than us except for the beliefs.

So the religion isn't the problem and the people aren't the problem, but the system (Which isn't Islamic) is the problem.

[nevernohijab]

@Dboy61073 let me remind you: 21 Copts were killed. If you have the nerve to demand that I concede that Islam is a religion of peace and honesty to be talking without cursing, I do believe that you have spoken your own verdict.

At least to our standards of decency.

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

I know that killing 21 innocent people is horrible and my religion is completely against such crimes.

And i'm telling you that they didn't find who did this, they blamed the palestinian resistance for bombing the church (is that logical ?), they blamed muslims for these 7 christians in nagga hammadi while they didn't arrest anyone, and they blamed salafi muslims for killing 12 people in the last Imbaba church thing with no proof, while 6 muslims died in the attack. so wtf

[nevernohijab]

@Dboy61073 Maybe YOU are against such atrocities, and I believe you.

But your religion talks about non-believers, i.e. Christians in manners that paves the way to such behaviour.

I lived in Algeria. In 2006, a law was implemented that provided jail or fine for handing a bible to a muslim or for holding an 'unauthorized' service. Don't tell me that is tolerant. And it creates a climate of intellectual oppression where nothing prospers. Muslims themselves are the first who suffer from it..

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

That's an Algerian government decision (which is not Islamic)

There is no Islamic rule that says arrest a person for having a bible or giving a bible to someone.

When some christians came to ask Prophet Muhammad about God and our religion, Prophet Muhammad answered them and he gave them permission to pray in the Mosque.

Do you ever think that any Christian would let a non christian pray in the church ? i don't think so.

[nevernohijab]

@Dboy61073 It refers to itself as the 'Islamic People's Republic of Algeria.

Maybe that's an erroneous expression.

You k now, I've simply seen too much of Islam to be fooled anymore.

I am sure that you yourself honestly believe what you say. But I know that Islam is a political, societal and religious concept that operates by oppression. If you have tasted that God does not take away your freedom and He is nothing but love and mercy and forgiveness, then you can start to live freely.

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

See ? again your lying.

(officially the People's Democratic Republic of Algeria (also formally referred to as the Democratic and Popular Republic of Algeria)

People's Democratic Republic of Algeria

الجمهورية الجزائرية الديمقراطية الشّعبية

Stop lying and speak the truth.

Be reasonable.

[nevernohijab]

Like for example those who are responsible for the death of these seven Copts. They must have been truly divinely led...

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

See ? If you don't have an answer for me or a proof, stfu and don't waste my time.

"Divinely led" u mean they did this crime because what they read in the Qur'an.

No, they are criminals that's why.

Because if the Qur'an ordered us to kill non muslims, out of nine million copts in Egypt, there wouldn't be a single one of them left.

It's like saying Pastor Terry Jones wants to burn the Qur'an because the bible told him to, and all christians hate muslims. stfu idiot

[nevernohijab]

(N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...

Now ain't that sumtin'===:)

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

What the hell are you saying, what is this bullshit ?

Get me what the Qur'an says about "lying in the name of Islam" as u said or shut the fuck up.

and stop copying nonsense from anti-islam websites, try using the truth, oh i almost forgot !

You don't have any :]

[nevernohijab]

eliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

Stop attacking Muslims behavior, don't you see yourselves or your countries ?

What kind of people or countries that accepts sexual abnormality, sodomy, loss of genealogy, gay marriages even between their so called religious priests, and most of the people ruling your countries are bastard children.

You do what you like in your countries, we have no right to force you.

But for our countries, our religion, our morals, No ! That's not acceptable.

[nevernohijab]

@Dboy61073 Bastard children? I didn't even know that term still existed.

However I totally agree that the West's military has no business attacking countries that have never done anything to them.

Still, it is better to live in a Western society than in a Muslim society, and that is the reason why the migration flow goes away from your and into Western countries.

As to Muslim behaviour: I've lived among them, no thanks.

[nevernohijab]

I hope you will not contest that Christianity and Judaism clearly have another approach to truth than Islam.



[nevernohijab]

Sami Mukaram, a former Islamic studies professor at the American University of Beirut and author of some twenty-five books on Islam, clearly demonstrates the ubiquity and broad applicability of taqiyya: Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it … We can go say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream …

[nevernohijab]

Muhammad said: "Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people" [Ahmad, 6.459. H]

[nevernohijab]

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers."

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

Don't twist the truth, if u understand Arabic, read these verses in arabic and you'l understand.

( And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners. )

Qur'an 8:30

Sahih International (English Translation), Quran.com

[nevernohijab]

And it's not Christians that marry off their women into arranged marriages, that is for sure. And if that women was taken from a Muslim husband, she should praise herself lucky for having been taken away.

I wish someone would have done that with me, when I got married to a muslim.

[AzadArdziv]

@ArmenianOganovPower

you call yourself armenian, yet you always attack the best armenians i know on youtube. what are you trying to do? whats your problem man?

you know how much good VartanMamikonian has done on youtube. every armenian appreciates it.

if this kind of armenian would kick me, i would try to understand why instead of returning the kick.

[ELVISCHALLENGE]

We need a 2-state in Egypt, one for the original native owners of this land and facing elimination. There has already been a 2-state in lebanin - why not in Egypt?

[887631]

Christians are persecuted dhimmis in most Muslim countries. At 5:04 at the video below is another example of forced conversion to Islam similar to the above video and other examples of Muslims persecuting Christians in Egypt. Egypt ; Treatment of Christians 2 of 3 watch?v=_D1WhNwN5qk&feature=re­lated Have a nice day

[887631]

EGYPT: what happens when Islamic totalitarianism meets Christian freedom? In 1980, Egypt amended its constitution to elevate Sharia (Islamic law) as "the principal source of legislation". This provision -- which is now common in Muslim constitutions, including the new constitutions of Afghanistan and Iraq -- renders constitutional guarantees of religious liberty and equality before the law illusory. For Sharia's principal aim concerning religious liberty, is to eradicate apostasy (cont. below)

[887631]

(rejection of Islam) through the elimination of fitna (anything that could tempt a Muslim to reject Islam) and the establishment of dhimmitude (the humiliation and subjugation of Jews and Christians as second class citizens; crippling systematic discrimination; violent religious apartheid). There is no religious liberty in Islam, for Islam survives as religious totalitarianism that refuses rejection. Islam -- a religion of peace, love and human rights? I don't think so. From assistnews net

[Dboy61073]

I'm an egyptian muslim and im telling all of you, that your living in an illusion.

Islam doesn't promote killing of anything or anyone, and im telling all the christians in egypt that "yourselves" are the proof that islam and muslims don't promote killing, because if it did, there wouldn't be a single one of you right now.

you live peacefully in egypt for more than a thousand years and you still dare to accuse us and question our religion.

who dares to debate with me, im here.

[nevernohijab]

@Dboy61073 have you opened the papers today??

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

No, im not the kind of guy that get's his information from newspapers.

You mean the Imbaba church thing, Salafi muslims were protesting for the hostage woman that was taken from her husband and held in the church, then gunfires was shot and 12 people died, and they blamed it on Salafi muslims that were protesting.

While 6 Muslims died, 4 christians and another 2 which they can't recognize.

And there is eye witnesses saying gunshots were fired from inside the church.

[nevernohijab]

@Dboy61073

you probably mean Muslim eyewitnesses.

We know what the Qur'an says about lying in the name of Islam.

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

We know ?, No i really don't

There is no such thing as lying in the name of Islam or killing non muslims in the name of Islam or whatever nonsense you hear in the zionist media.

"You" said that you know what the Qur'an says about lying in the name of Islam, you are responsible of what you say.

Enlighten me, show me your proof, don't throw an accusation without knowing.

I challenge you to get me 1 verse from the Qur'an that says lie or lie in the name of Islam.

[nevernohijab]

@Dboy61073 tiny example:

Narrated in Sahih al-Bukhari, v7, p102, that Abu al-Darda' said: "(Verily) we smile for some people, while our hearts curse (those same people)."

more to go....

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

This is not Qur'an, The Bukhari is a muslim scholar and he's talking here about some other person that said something.

"You" said the Qur'an, so get me your proof.

[nevernohijab]

@Dboy61073

still an authoritative document for muslims, Qur'an quotation on the next posting.

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

No, that's something someone has said, and i even didn't check it, because it's not worth it.

The only guides for the muslim is the Qur'an and the Sunna.

[nevernohijab]

@Dboy61073 sure, and it's such a peaceful religion....right?

And everywhere we look, muslims are famous for their love of truth, their high moral standards and their love of peace...

allahu akboom.

[Dboy61073]

@nevernohijab

Islam is a religion of peace.

Muslim majority countries has the lowest alcoholic consumption, lowest gambling rate, lowest crime rate, lowest suicide rate while most of them are poor, and we have the highest charity rate.

That's what Islam has done for us.

[zezoeg]

WTF U FUCKEN IDIOTS IM MUSLIM AND I GOT A LOT OF CHRISTIAN FRIENDS U FUCKEN LIARS WE LOVE EACH OTHER HERE FUCK U HATERS

[acorduende]

I pray every day that after Mubarak leaves power these days Egypt doesn't turn into something worse in which Christians are oppressed with an even harsher dhimma and jizya. I pray that Egypt can become a liberal democracy or a social democracy like U.S. and Western Europe but adapted to their cultural realities. And I pray that my Christian brothers in Egypt can be free to Love Jesus there. Bismi 3Issa Al-Massih, Hos Erof Arihoo Chasf..Ameen!!

[lloydbaltazar]

May God rebuke and punish those who murder Christians in the name of the Muslim idol! Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI and Patriarch Antonios Naguib, please do something about this!

[blue222blue]

Killing of kafirs is going on in Thailand, Philippines, India, China, Russia, Palestine, Britain, Spain, Denmark, Holland, or the US almost every day.

It's very reasonable to think this was yet another "jihad" attack.

It's a big problem. Better to face it.

[carolinederias]

When the violence causes silence..that's all i can say..

[kishakov]

@VartanMamikonian or how god let poeple kill his son ??iam sure 100% u dont know the answer because the answer is aganest ur religen and all of u know that .

[kishakov]

@VartanMamikonian

you are the biggest piece of shit , you dont know any thing about islam and muslims dont treat turorist poeple as muslims and islam didnt say to kill inesent poeple ,, so before u jadge on islam u should read and know , if u want be better u have to have some knowledge not only to say islam good or bad or jew is good or bad and u set on ur ass infront of ur pc doing nothing , and answer my quetion if u know ,,,,,, how god can allow poeple to kill him ,,,?

[seiffrcan]

there is nothing of Islam in this murder. Our beloved prophet Muhammad told us to treat well, especially, egyotians copts, that he had family from them, our Mother Marya. Don't ever forget that ! Don't let those fool murderers may Allah give them what they deserve, don't let them make fitna in the country !!

[sutonchef]

ISLAMS JUDGMENT IS NEAR  THE FIRE IS COMING

[sutonchef]

ISLAMS JUDGMENT IS NEAR THE FIRE IS COMING TIME IS RUNNNING OUT  ONLY JESUS SON OF GOD CAN SAVE US FROM SIN SATAN AND HELL FIRE

[tape527i]

Christians are attacked and killed everywhere. Nigeria, Iraq, Egypt. Even in secular Turkey christian cemeteries are being vandalized derespectfully. More and more is evident that Christians and Muslims can not live side by side. I hope European leaders understand their mistake and start banning the influx of more Muslims into Europe. It is matter of life and death, our death...

[NewsFreak42]

if I look this "discussion" here, then I think that is what "they" want...

not important who place a bomb, or who build the bomb, or who have connections to bring that together. they all can do nothing without money!

the only important thing is who pay that all, follow the way of money and you find secret societes of bankowner families. They paid all weapons and all wars since hundrets of years for any country and any politcal groups.

search for Bilderberg in google and you find the money

[eamy303]

@VartanMamikonian I am a Muslim and I've been hurt by terrorism too by twisty thinking people believing they do the right thing

but the don't

my religion has nothing to do with them they got the name Only

i know you got the wrong idea but please make sure first and don't cause more pain 

[eamy303]

I am Egyptian

So i can say that this video has a lot of misinformation

i admitted that the Christians has some problems, but there are a lot of problems to be repaired in this country

This does make my country racist

[Gr33kElite]

@eamy303 This is true but this is also happening in Tunisia and Lybia!

[Yout00ber1]

@eamy303 It's a lot harder and takes longer to get planning permission to build a Church but it is easy to get for building a Mosque and the religion of the Egyptian people's is stated on their ID cards so that police and employers etc. can discriminate. Explain how that is not racist!

[eamy303]

@Yout00ber1 .as for ID cards This information is entirely wrong our ID's is all about The basic information name,address,phone,,job and religion

all the stuff could help in case of murder or missing..etc.it's not for discriminate

sorry for talking to much it just my country & i love it

remember racist is every where now

[Yout00ber1]

@eamy303 But why would the religion of a person matter in a murder or case of a mssing person? How would knowing the religon help an crime investigation and couldn't such information be retrieved from family or friends if needed.

[eamy303]

@Yout00ber1never thought this way before,so you maybe right it doesn't help

my opinion, Addition or cancellation religion in ID doesn't help discrimination , it is known that who named Muhammad, for example is Muslim and , for example who named Mikhail is a Christian these things as clear as sun,

I can dare to say that Christians have a kind of power on police because if someone made a discrimination complaint will turn the world on its head because last thing wanted here is "Sectarian sedition"

[Yout00ber1]

@eamy303 I'm glad that I have made you think differently.

I know that the names will give away the religion of the person but it makes the religion clear for those who do not have such names, this means everyone, nobody can hide their religion from the government.

Complaints to the police does nothing. Copts have complained to them but often they do not investigate into the matter. Police in Egypt are corrupt and you know it, in November they were even throwing stones at coptic protesters!

[eamy303]

@Yout00ber1 I swear you got wrong information about Egypt

I agree with you about Addition religion in ID doesn't help anything so we rather just cancel it

But there is no one here hides his religion not from the government nor from other Even its contrary to the nature of the Egyptian character completely,Trust me I live & go to school with them there's no such a thing

[eamy303]

@Yout00ber1 AND the Police in Egypt they not corrupt, it's very similar to all in the world there are dirty cops and very honest cops too

about November I've never heard of such thing

[Yout00ber1]

@eamy303 You haven't heard about the incident where at least two Copts died in November you live in Egypt?!?! This just shows how little publicity Copts receive and that the government tries to hide things it doesn't want people to know.

[eamy303]

@Yout00ber1 i did some internet search for what you called "Coptic protesters" and i found out it's "ALOmraniya events" I'm fully aware of it, i just get a little confused because of the name you give it

[eamy303]

@@Yout00ber1 it was about Building has been permit as services building and illegally converted to a Church so work stopped until correct licenses Extract

This made some young Christian angry & causing some damage

I'm not a big fan of how the police deal with it because of sensitivity of the situation but i have seen this happened in out of control protests around the world

it's just impossible hiding things any more because of tens of private satellite channels and the popular talk show's

[NORTHERNKONFLIKT]

ISLAM IS TERROR!

THE STREETS RUN WITH THE BLOOD OF OUR BROTHERS IN CAIRO BECAUSE MUSLIMS ARE EVIL BEASTS OF THE DEVIL.

CHRISTIANS WANT PEACE.

MUSLIMS WANT TO MURDER AND TERRORIZE.

[yourdoom97]

You really believe that Islam Is peace you are super ignorant Islam is from the devil and you guys lie and first believe your own lie and then threaten people into also believing it Islam I pure and utter evil

[Loonygirl23]

God help us all. 

[KarlMartell732]

My God, I hate Islam so much...

[XStandupforfreedomX]

Down with Islam!!!

[hoierboier]

FUCK ISLAM!

[basoo1989]

From a Christian Egyptian man I am a Coptic and enough Racial discrimination against us in Egypt. We love our country and muslims . That makes me more n more n more n more Proud to BE A CHRISTIAN .. n more certain about every single word is written in My BIBLE .. n if God is for us , so who is gonna be against us !! And please lets pray for our brothers and sisters that their lives were ended by this sinful act.

[eamy303]

@basoo1989 god bless you that's the Egyptian i know

may god rest their soul in peace

[Flexituigster]

Lord have mercy.