Excellent video. God is Awesome, and it is amazing to see what He is doing around the world. As a former Mormon, it makes me sad to see how puny Mormonism makes God out to be. I used to believe that people had to be pretty crazy to be idolators, not even realizing how much of an idolator I was at that very time. No person has ever imagined God to be Bigger than He is. We always imagine Him to be WAY to small. Philippians 2:5-12 Isaiah 43:10,11.
Mormonism is a pseudo-Christian cult, not biblical, historical, orthodox Christianity. The video has powerful testimony, but it is not just a subjective apologetic like LDS (pray/read BOM to see if true vs study Scripture). These are precious people that we must speak the truth in love to reach them for the real Jesus/YHWH, not the polytheistic/plurality of gods of false prophet Joseph Smith.
This video is awesome, Iam an ex-Mormon also and left because of the contradicting doctrines taught by the LDS church that no one seemed to have an answer for including my bishop and stake president. I think it's funny when an LDS person comments on here about how the people in the video left because of some sin or that the LDS religion was too hard to live----give me a break!
It's ok for them to post their own messages about the LDS church and what they believe but as soon as an ex-Mormon posts their testimony about their relationship with the Lord we get labeled an anti-Mormon. Do Mormons ever stop to question things that seem odd and out of line with Mormonism? Or do too many of them just play along because of fear? LDS, you need to trust fully in the Lord Jesus Christ and not a church, because the church is anything but Christian
I left the LDS Church because I read many of the anti-Mormon texts and arguments and realized Mormon theology was full of holes and contradictions. I then went a step further and applied that same logic and skepticism to all religion and guess what I found? ALL religion fails. If you're a Mormon questioning your faith, you should just skip a step and question ALL faith. All you need is logic, reason and a willingness to accept the truth whether or not you like the answers you find.
What you have found out actually is the effectiveness of Mormonism to destroy ones Faith in the Bible, Jesus and God. There is no logic to be found in your logic. You are judging God's creation by His creation. What logic is there in that. God Bless
@jonathandavid33 Logic? If your hypothesis had any merit, there would be a lot more ex-Mormons just like me- in fact, most of them would be, by your reasoning. The sad thing is that most believers are just too indoctrinated to even bother to honestly question the most basic tenets of their faith. Until you do, you're just another slave to a ridiculous mythology that makes just as much sense as the mythology of the Greeks and Egyptians.
hahahaha and what i love is that you people actually take the time to do this... i loved when that guy said that his mom was going to hate him for leaving the LDS church hahahaha... guys... spend your time dedicating it to our Heavenly Father instead of attacking other religions... I mean... 55 minutes teaching scriptures would've been more rewarded.
I listen to all of the "ex-Mormons" tell their stories on here and it sounds to me like it was just too hard. If I give myself an exit, I'll take it! Sort of an attitude. You all say it doesn't line up with the bible?! Show me where the bible doesn't contradict it's self because of the many times it's Been translated. It's far to simple to witness the validity of the LDS faith with the bible that it's not worth doing. If you can't use your brain, and more so, your common sense to understand the
@skiingsaint Brother you got to ask yourself, that if the Book of Mormon wasn't true, would you want to know? It sounds like to me that you may have possibly made the decision before hand that these people were just trying to find excuses because it was too hard- before you saw this. Please show me where the Bible contradicts itself. Google: the reliability of the new testament. CARM dot ORG
I am ex-LDS member too, and it blesses my heart to see others come out of this cult. It's sad to see also those who refuse to see the wonderful Grace of Jesus Christ, and stick with Jospeh Smith and his blasphemous teachings.
Thank you so much for this message. It touched my heart and it's so pertinent to someone struggling with family and mormonism. You can really see the light of Christ in their eyes as they speak. Thank you
Do not LDS folk believe that every person shall be in one heaven or the other except Mormon apostates? And that even, for example, unrepentant child molesters shall qualify at least for the wonderful telestial kingdom? cf D&C 76.
According to mormonistics the consequence is that even if you do live like the devil you shan't go to hell anyway.
@Shulamitefire : I've never heard anything definitive about exactly who goes where, but I think in general you're correct. However there are some things listed as "unforgiveable sins" (like murder), however, I've heard different opinions about whether this bars you from the upper heavens only, or whether it's an automatic ticket to Outer Darkness. The doctrine of repenting-after-death is one of the most frightening deceptions of Mormonism. It renders what we do in this life less important.
The thing is, "As man is, God once was..." was published officially by the church, under the authority of the quorum, and came from the mouth of the one who claims to have been the mouthpiece of God, prophet, seer, revelator. There is absolutely no way that this is NOT doctrine, or at least that it was (but has it been recanted?). As for Jesus, he differs in that he, being God, became a man; it wasn't that he, being a man, became a God. So that's completely the opposite of Mormon teaching.
@lindalds It's in the teachings of the LDS prophets. Who more qualified to comment on and establish doctrine? If you reject some of their teachings that you might find awkward, then on what basis do you accept the uniquely LDS scriptures? They, too, came from the LDS prophets. You cannot accept one and reject the other...or have you somehow been granted a special insight from God to sort out what things the prophets taught was true, and what was false?
@mowglisj I have more qualifications to determine what is or is not doctrine than you ever will. That's what you are doing, YOU are trying to establish doctrine for our church. You are not even a member, let alone a General Authority. They ARE the ones who establish it, NOT you.
@lindalds I'm not saying anything about LDS doctrines that the General Authorities haven't said. You're right, they ARE the ones who establish it. But if that's really the case, why is there so much disagreement among Mormons about which things are doctrine and which things are not? Why do so many, yourself included, seem to reject a lot of what had been taught? It's all so complicated, and the Gospel, the good news of Jesus, is not supposed to be complicated...it's simple and beautiful.
@mowglisj There is no disagreement, not really. The biggest problems come when the anti-mormons try to MAKE doctrine, those straw man doctrines that are so easy to then beat down. If we say "That's not what we believe", we are countered with what has the be the stupidest excuse in all time:
@mowglisj You are absolutely right. Sadly the LDS church does not know the purity & simplicity & power of devotion to Christ as Paul contends for in 2 Cor. 11. It is utter & abject bondage & corruption, darkness in deepest degrees. They have enough rigid religiosity & cult churchianity to insulate themselves against the glorious Truth that many Christians abroad to this very day are martyred for. Love Mormons; love Mormons much; abhor Mormonism for what it actually is & where it came up from.
@lindalds A worshipful heart of loving obedience to Christ is the condition & expression of gratitude for being saved from the state that is separation from God, both in this life & through the eternal ages, not that we might earn salvation, but because we have eternal life present tense & life everlasting. Do you believe the record that God gave of His Son? Do you know that if you died this very day that you would have eternal life or are you unsure that you have done ALL that you can do?
@Shulamitefire Am I sure of eternal life? Yes, I am. Am I sure I've done all I can do? No. But that does not mean I won't be saved, or even exalted. We do not believe in works for salvation. Not like you define salvation, anyway.
@mowglisj I'm a convert to the LDS church, and it is NOT "complicated". You are right, it IS simple and beautiful. But anti-Mormon people make out LDS doctrine to be complicated, because they don't understand. I read all this anti-Mormon stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the church. I took the time to learn the truth.
@lindalds Doctrine does not have to be scripture. Doctrine is teaching. There is plenty of teaching in Mormonism that is not scripture. Often when LDS are confronted with their own church's teaching, rather than honestly & bravely facing same, they feign excuse that if it is not taught in scripture it is not taught. We know that Brigham Young taught that Adam is God & that Joseph Smith taught that God was once a man. There is nothing Christian about such; it is in fact altogether anti-Christ.
@Shulamitefire Doctrine is what is taught in the church, not what PEOPLE teach on their own. Sometimes a teacher will say something and others will say "Oh, that's doctrine because our SS teacher taught it".
What Brigham Young and Joseph Smith taught is not from God, but from their own minds. And they never said any differently.
@lindalds "What Brigham Young and Joseph Smith taught is not from God, but from their own minds. And they never said any differently." et al.
Obviously you are deep in denial. I can barely believe that you would offer such weak & wobbly arguments. It appears that you will grab whatever is handy in the hope that it might bolster your very tenuous position on issues. Mormons could stop lying to themselves. Those that actually have are leaving the JS church cult of counterfeit by the multitude.
@lindalds "But we may have become complacent. Don't we send out full-time missionaries? Isn't that enough? Aren't we "the fastest growing religion"? Actually, we're not. Church growth has been falling for MANY years, and our current rate of missionary success is the lowest it's been for DECADES." Daniel C. Peterson For Mormon Times in Deseret News April 7, 2011
@Shulamitefire I don't know, that's what people say. But since I listen to our current prophet, instead of what was written about from the past, then I don't worry about it. It's not taught today, so I don't see a problem.
@lindalds : That may certainly be the case, that you were not taught it as doctrine. So do you reject it as truth? If you believe it's true, then why not proclaim it from the rooftops, if you believe that truth matters. Likewise, if you reject it as true, then say so. But if you do, you would be contradicting generations of Mormons before you who were taught it as doctrine--by the LDS prophets and apostles. If it's not true, then the prophetic status of all those men comes into question.
@lindalds Goodness gracious! You certainly have a right to speak to your own experience, but how can you possibly claim to speak for every Latter-day Saint throughout history? That his highly presumptuous, not to mention grossly mistaken. I personally know many people who were taught this as doctrine. And many of them cling to that teaching to this day. We of course would urge you to reject this teaching altogether, and embrace the Jesus, who is the eternal God of all creation!
@sacredgroves They could not have been taught it AS DOCTRINE. If they were, they were teaching false doctrine. If it were doctrine, it would be in the scriptures, or Ensign or something.
I tend to think that there is some truth to it, and it shouldn't be such a stretch for you if you call Jesus "the Eternal God" because Jesus came to this earth as a man, which would then make "As Man is, God once was" a truth.
@lindalds : I really urge you, not for my sake, but for yours, to really go and do your own research about this doctrine. Start with the King Follet discourse. The teaching--the doctrine--is absolutely unequivocal. If you "tend to think there is some truth to it" then be sure of it. At least be honest about it. Don't misrepresent the teachings of Mormonism and say that it's not taught, or that it's not doctrine. As for Jesus--God becoming a man is NOT the same as starting out as a man.
@lindalds : Okay, you lost me. Your arguments have become increasingly irrational. Teaching is merely the imparting of knowledge or ideas, regardless of whether you accept them. But still, to suggest that because you weren't taught it, that no one else could have possibly been taught it, is utter nonsense Tell that to Bruce McConkie. Whether or not you accept what he teaches on the nature of God, it's clear that he TAUGHT it as DOCTRINE. (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321.)
@sacredgroves There is a difference, then, between what man teaches, and what THE CHURCH teaches. Even "Mormon Doctrine" was not official church publication, and was written BEFORE McConkie became a General Authority. Even at the beginning of the book, he states that it is HIS work and no one else's. The other GA's did have him make some changes on some of his more radical theories, so that he would not be guilty of teaching totally false doctrine.
@lindalds : McConkie quotes Joseph Smith when he claims God once was a man. So I guess that brings me back to my earlier question of what exactly makes something reliable doctrine? It was taught by Joseph Smith, and several generations of LDS prophets after him. So why are you afraid to call it "doctrine"? And if it's not doctrine, then what is it? Speculation? Theory? Opinion? If so, then what about the standard works? Are they just speculation too? Then what authority do they have?
Scripture becomes so when the prophet, his two counselors, and the Quorom of the Twelve agree that it's from God. They then ask the church about it who usually will sistain something that time.
@lindalds. Okay, that's a concrete distinction. I suspect there are Mormons who might disagree with you, but that's okay. Do you (personally) believe that God was once a man? Do you believe that he is subject to the laws of eternal progression? I'm asking only because I've heard mixed responses from Latter-day Saints on this subject. Some says "yes, definitely," others aren't sure, and others reject it outright. Where do you fall in that spectrum?
@sacredgroves I have not really made a stand, but I do sort of lean towards, yes, I do believe it, to some degree. Only if our Heavenly Father had, at some point, been like us would He have any sort of empathy and sympathy for our lives. Of course, being God, He could know without having "been there done that". I just don't know.
@lindalds Okay, that's fair. But may I ask, what is the reason or reasons that you tend to lean toward agreeing with the idea that God was once a man? What are the "sources," I guess is my question, for at least considering that as a possibility? And also, would you be willing to examine some biblical passages that challenge that particular idea?
@sacredgroves No sources except my own sense of logic. There's a verse or two, that SUGGESTS such a thing, like John 5:19. But, yeah, give me the verses, I'm always up for a challenge.
@lindalds Goodness gracious! You certainly have a right to speak to your own experience, but how can you possibly claim to speak for every Latter-day Saint throughout history? That his highly presumptuous, not to mention grossly mistaken. I personally know many people who were taught this as doctrine. And many of them cling to that teaching to this day. We of course would urge you to reject this teaching altogether, and embrace the Jesus, who is the eternal God of all creation!
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. " Timothy 4:2-5
I was born, like Nephi, of Goodly Christian parents. I was raised in the United Methodist church. I accepted Christ many years ago.
But, in reading and studying the Bible, I came to realize that there was just something missing. I made a sort of mental list of what the Biblical church would teach and believe. It was not until I talked to the LDS missionaries that I realized that I had finally found the Biblical church. I've been LDS now for over 30 years.
@lindalds : I would be really interested to know what was on your mental list of the things a biblical church should teach and believe...and how the LDS Church fulfills that list. In what way is the LDS Church a "biblical church"?
@sacredgroves No "Trinity"; no denominations; no cathedrals, processionals, candles, responsive readings, fancy robes, passing the plate, etc. Symbols other than a cross.
All of our congregations teach, and are tught, the same things every week. We have a living prophet, and living apostles. Continuing revelation from God, to His church.
And, since I've joined the church, I understand the Bible SO much more than I ever did before.
@lindalds I would strongly encourage you to continue reading and studying your Bible, and move past just the passages that you are told to read, and study all of it. You will not find the word "Trinity" but you will find the doctrine of the Trinity. As for all the other things, no, I suppose they're not in the Bible; those are cultural aspects of some churches. (Candles? Seriously? That condemns a church?) Many of the cultural AND doctrinal aspects of Mormonism are absent from the Bible.
@sacredgroves What in the world makes you think that I have NOT studied my Bible, cover to cover? The thing is, that I was told what to read more often BEFORE I joined the LDS church, by my pastors, and others, than I EVER was in the LDS church! As for "doctrine of the Trinity", there is no such thing. Every time I ask someone to explain it, I get two different explanations.
ALL of the cultural and doctrinal aspects of "Mormonism" are in the Bible.
@lindalds Wait...ALL the cultural and doctrinal aspects of Mormonism are in the Bible? Like temple marriage being necessary for exaltation? Like Joseph Smith being the arbiter of salvation? That God was once a man, and that man can become a God? Those are some pretty fundamental doctrines of Mormonism that you do not find in the Bible.
@mowglisj First, it is not doctrine that Joseph SMith is the arbiter of salvation, or that God was once a man.
The rest are Biblical, if not specifically mentioned in the Bible. We believe in living prophets and apostles, and continuing revelation from God. This is Biblical. In fact, that man can become like God is mentioned a couple times like "Be ye therefore perfect.." and "...heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ" among others.
@lindalds Yowza...well, in saying what you have said, you have set yourself against the teachings of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Lorenzo Snow, etc., etc., etc. I can't speak for your beliefs personally, but it is undeniable that Mormonism has taught and continues to teach the DOCTRINE that God was once a man. You are either being dishonest with me, or are grossly uninformed about the doctrines of your religion.
@mowglisj After over 30 years, I think I know what I've been taught in my own church. It is not DOCTRINE. It is THEORY. I'm sure some Mormons think it is doctrine, but it's really not.
@lindalds "That exalted position was made manifest to me at a very early day. I had a direct revelation of this. It was most perfect and complete. If there ever was a thing revealed to man perfectly, clearly, so that there could be no doubt or dubiety, this was revealed to me, and it came in these words: 'As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may be.' " (Lorenzo Snow, The Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, p.5). How can anyone read this and think it was just a "theory" in Lorenzo Snow's mind?
@mowglisj Because if it were more than that, it would have been confirmed as such by the rest of the Quorom of the Twelve, then be sustained by the general population of the church.
However, it is true, even from a non-LDS Christian point of view, as they believe Jesus is God, and Jesus was once a man, and therefore he'd fulfill the first part.
@jeanniem76 Jesus did not say that, He said He fulfilled the law, but He never said He was the end of the law or the prophets, which means, the writings of the prophets of the Old Testament.
@mowglisj Those aren't even in the Book of Mormon. I find that very interesting considering they say that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. I was LDS, thankfully I now see the light. :-)
@lindalds : The thing that makes me question whether you know your Bible as well as you think you do is that you are making claims about the Bible that simply aren't based on fact...or you are at least are ignoring things in the Bible that don't fit with Mormon teachings. But of course, many Mormon leaders have taught that the Bible is corrupted and unreliable, so why even bother appealing to the Bible in the first place? Why not just toss it out and forget about it?
@sacredgroves Just because I don't interpret it like you do does not mean I don't know it.
And none of our leaders have EVER said that the Bible is unreliable. We do not believe that it is complete, perfect, or infallible. I never did believe that, even before I joined the LDS church. How could God give us that one source, and then shut His mouth, leaving us, as Paul said, as children tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine?
@lindalds "...who, in his right mind, could for one moment, suppose the Bible in its present form to be a perfect guide? No one can tell whether even one verse of either the Old or New Testament conveys the ideas of the original author" (Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 28). How on earth could this be interpreted to mean anything other than the Bible is unreliable? There are many other quotes like it. To say the Bible is insufficient is to disbelieve the Bible altogether.
@lindalds "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." -Matthew 16:18. Was Jesus lying? Because the Jesus I know is perfect and not a liar. God is all powerful, all knowing. If He puts forth His word into the world, the gates of hell most certainly will not prevail against it. God bless you, I pray your eyes will be opened. By the way, as a Mormon, I was taught that the Bible is not reliable.
@jeanniem76 Matt. 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
This verse shows that it's not Peter, but what Peter did, which was receive REVELATION from GOD. Since the church shut God's mouth, refused to hear Him speak, thats when revelation is gone and soon, you have apostasy, which is more or less the gates of hell.
@lindalds "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12 "For all have sinned & fall short of the glory of God." Rom 3:23 "If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," & believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." Rom 10:9 ..Rom 5:8,
Awesom Video, I have just resigned from the Mormon Church due to reading the bible(NT) and finding out the BOM was not making sense with the bible and religion was not making sense with Christanity and left because I thought it wasnt christian
@MrUNIXman Praise the Lord! Amen! I also left the mormon church after reading the Bible (NT) without any preconcieved ideas of what truth was. The Lord opened my eyes!
@akg771959 That probley explains Mormons Church says the bible is true providing its translated correctly or prevents you from reading the bible, as they tried to do with my friend. its something to take people away from the real Jesus. There is another ex mormon in same chiristian church I go to also said he left because they did not use the bible more. He too was from the same ward. Also a Christian in the another town told me what he disagreed with and I looked at the LDS differently since.
@MrUNIXman What I found very odd, as I was a mormon. I was always taught that man had corrupted the Bible, but could never get an answer as to what exactly was corrupt. When I started attending a Christian church, I was quite amazed that the Bible is taught in EVERY class and EVERY worship service. Furthermore, a "mistranslation" IS pointed out, but does NOT drastically change the meaning of the verse. What an AMAZING God we have...Amen?
@akg771959 Another funny thing about Mormons, they don't anti mormon material even though it tells the truth. JW are no different too. Were you born a Mormon?. The Church I go to always refers to the bible also has no need for manuals like the Mormons do in their preisthoods. We do have an Amazing God too who helped us through problems. Amen to u
@MrUNIXman Yes, I was raised as lds. I stumbled onto "anti" material accidently. As I started further investigation I realized that the "anti" material was right on the mark. I had wondered why my own church hadn't mentioned any of this...you know, give the good and the bad. But instead, all I got, growing up lds, is what sounded good. Ultimately, it was reading the Bible that changed my heart and mind.
@akg771959 I am a convert to the LDS church and I read all the "anti" material over 30 years ago when I was investigating the church! It was all I could find! And in Christian book stores, of all places!! I knew it couldn't be right. Finally I found the truth. I can't imagine being a member of any other church. We have the fulness of the Gospel! It brings you CLOSER to Jesus Christ and the Bible, not farther away.
@cindybin2001 You do not KNOW the fullness of the Gospel, let alone have it. You have tried this rhetoric on me once before and it doesn't fly! I stand STEADFAST on God's Word and I will not let you come along and attempt to shake that foundation.
@cindybin2001 Sister do you consider that you were unrepented, hadn't the Holy Spirit and still spiritually undiscerned, (the Bible says the unrepented are) while you were searching for the truth of the "anti-mormonism?" God's word stays clean. There is nothing men can do to God's word. google supreme reliability of new testament (CARM dot ORG.) Also dead sea scrolls for OT Cindy, if the BOM wasn't true would you want to know at this point? Galatians1:6 read this please and we will go frm there
Such an awesome video. Thank you for placing it here for us to hear and see. It gives me more hope that this is a task that God has placed before us can indeed make a
If anybody has any questions about the LDS church, a good book is "A Marvelous Work and a Wonder" by LeGrande Richards. I read that over 30 years ago when was investigating the church; I had read the Book of Mormon and still wondered about the DOCTRINES of the church, what made them "different". I found that book in the local library and it really did help explain it all! I highly recommend it.
Praise God for this video. I have a renewed compassion for Mormons by watching these testimonies and look forward to the next opportunity to share with them the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Glory to God for these saints!
@cindybin2001 Cindy I was a convert to LDS at 16. Cindy being a nice person doesn't make you a Christian. There are nice people who are atheist. The LDS Church does not hold to the teachings of the Bible, your Church doesn't believe we evangelical (born again) are CHristians.
@savedbygrace1972 We do believe evengelical born agains are Christians, it's just that whole thing about other churches not having the "fulness of the gospel." If you were in the LDS church you should remember that and understand that. Of course other people are Christians, if they believe in Christ, etc. but that's what sets apart the LDS church is having the FULNESS of the Gospel, the priesthood, the additional scriptures and revelation, a living prophet, etc. But yes, you are a Christian.
@cindybin2001 Hi Cindy! I was once a member of the LDS church, too. I was gung-ho for everything it taught. I did the mission thing, taught seminary, EQP, YM Leader, etc. I worked on an Apologetics website. I loved the church. But then God opened my eyes to what the bible says about being a Christian. He opened my eyes to the true Grace God offers, even when I screw up. He opened up my eyes to many things that the LDS church teaches that are very anti-biblical. Contact me, we'll talk.
@waynefeller Oh come on, you've got to be kidding. If you think you're going to "deprogram" me, it just isn't going to happen. About this grace thing, of course God offers grace! That's what it's all about! But we also have to do our part. And of course we can screw up! Nobody is perfect! That's where repentance comes in. Anyway, you really think I'm going to contact you so we can talk and you can try to make me think the church isn't true?? I don't understand how ex-Mormons can think this way.
@cindybin2001 Hi Cindy. I understand your reluctance. But look at it this way: the LDS church sends out missionaries because they believe they have this amazing truth, and want the world to know about it. Well, God has revealed amazing truths that have freed me, and I want to share those with everyone. Thousands of Mormons are coming to Christ, which is a wonderful thing. I am merely trying to do my share.
@waynefeller Okay, okay. Well I worked too hard to gain my testimony of the Church all those years ago and to KEEP it and exercise my faith. So I'll have to pass on your offer. It's just so frustrating when I try to HELP you people online and it's like talking to a wall! I make these nice, sincere posts and think that I've made a difference and that people will thank me for helping explain things, then I get these replies back that just astound me! I can't believe it! Oh well. Take care.
@cindybin2001 LOL! Now you know how we feel! We reach out to people with love and a sincere desire to help, only to hit that proverbial wall you speak of. But I appreciate your honesty. As for A Marvelous Work and Wonder, if you really want to get into whether or not it is biblical. I would be more than happy to talk to you about that, but that's up to you. God bless!
@cindybin2001 The way I see it, I don't have a problem if people want to reject what we believe. If they can't believe it, that's ok. BUT, at least know what it is that we DO believe. Not all this anti-Mormon propaganda.
And for Utah Mormons having a crisis of faith, I say, GET OUT OF UTAH! Go far away, and start attending church somewhere else. It would be the best thing you ever did.
@lindalds I was LDS my whole life. First, read the Bible, second..read the Journal of Discourses and History of the Church and learn about how JS went down in a gun battle, he killed two people before he died. Learn about the things they don't tell you. Study linguistics, DNA evidence, False book of Abraham (aka Egyptian funerary papyri, failed prophecies-there are MANY) So much, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Study occult symbols, then look at the temple. Why pentagrams on temples?
@jeanniem76 First, it was because I read my Bible that I joined the LDS church. Second, there is nothing in the Journals of Discourses that is important to my life. Third, I would hardly call it a gun battle. One against over 200? I'd say that the odds were stacked a little. IF he killed two people, the kill ratio (his to theirs) was about >2% to their 100%.
I've studied all those anti-Mormon junks, it's all refuted over and over many times.
@jeanniem76 For instance, there has been NO studies done specifically to support or refute the Book of Mormon, it would be impossible to do so. All the DNA shows is that TODAY'S Native AmerIndians do not have the same DNA as TODAY'S Jews.
We do not have the papyri that Joseph Smith used to translate the Book of Abraham.
@lindalds Indeed, its says that I've done plenty of research into the church I grew up in and its devastating connections. God bless you, it took me time as well.
@waynefeller Also, have you read "A Marvelous Work and a Wonder" by LeGrande Richards? That book helped me so much. When I was investigating the Church years ago, I read the Book of Mormon but still had questions, and wondered what made the LDS church "different". I found that book in the local library and it explained it all, including the stuff about grace, etc. I highly recommend it.
@cindybin2001 I have read it, several times. But it is based upon the Book of Mormon, and strays far from what the bible teaches about God's plan of Salvation.
@waynefeller A Marvelous Work and a Wonder DOES teach about god's plan of salvation! That's what it's all about! It explains things so well! It just astounds me that people can be so different, that I could read that and understand it completely and it helps me so much, and then somebody else comes away with an entirely different reaction. How can that happen???? People are so frustrating!!!! Lol. Anyway, I really do wish you would understand that it does teach what the Bible teaches.
@cindybin2001 Cindy, read the bible. Drop LeGrand Richards, drop Joseph Smith, and read the bible by itself, on its own. Then go back and pray to God to show you the truth. I am praying for you, my sister!
@cindybin2001 LDS is a cult. Smith & spiders spit in Jesus' face & trampled the New Covenant that Jesus cut in His blood. They neither deemed nor esteemed His Word good enough or right enough to honor. 1Tim.3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife. Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, et al. They chose not to provide the undivided attention & holy affection that a woman & her children so require & deserve.
@Teamjones94: Your question simply isn't based on facts. I've read and studied Jesus' words from numerous different translations in at least 2 different languages, 3 if you count the original Greek. There is no substantive difference, as you imply. Multiple translations, yes. Multiple Bibles, no. We've addressed that very question on our website. Check out sacredgrovesonline (dot) org (slash) questions (dot) htm, and scroll down to the fifth topic if you really want an answer to this.
Just curious, there are so many versions of the Bible, which one do you believe in? Christ's words seem to be translated according to the whims of many different organizations. How do you know which one has his true words?
Excellent video. God is Awesome, and it is amazing to see what He is doing around the world. As a former Mormon, it makes me sad to see how puny Mormonism makes God out to be. I used to believe that people had to be pretty crazy to be idolators, not even realizing how much of an idolator I was at that very time. No person has ever imagined God to be Bigger than He is. We always imagine Him to be WAY to small. Philippians 2:5-12 Isaiah 43:10,11.
1stcorinthians1vrs18 2 weeks ago
STOP WITH THE EMOTIONAL MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND!! THE GOSPEL SHOULD BE EMOTIONAL ENOUGH WITHOUT PPL ADDING MUSIC!!
Scottles293 2 weeks ago
Mormonism is a pseudo-Christian cult, not biblical, historical, orthodox Christianity. The video has powerful testimony, but it is not just a subjective apologetic like LDS (pray/read BOM to see if true vs study Scripture). These are precious people that we must speak the truth in love to reach them for the real Jesus/YHWH, not the polytheistic/plurality of gods of false prophet Joseph Smith.
godrulz37 2 months ago
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This video is awesome, Iam an ex-Mormon also and left because of the contradicting doctrines taught by the LDS church that no one seemed to have an answer for including my bishop and stake president. I think it's funny when an LDS person comments on here about how the people in the video left because of some sin or that the LDS religion was too hard to live----give me a break!
szabo56 2 months ago
It's ok for them to post their own messages about the LDS church and what they believe but as soon as an ex-Mormon posts their testimony about their relationship with the Lord we get labeled an anti-Mormon. Do Mormons ever stop to question things that seem odd and out of line with Mormonism? Or do too many of them just play along because of fear? LDS, you need to trust fully in the Lord Jesus Christ and not a church, because the church is anything but Christian
szabo56 2 months ago
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szabo56 2 months ago
Thank you for posting. God Bless! God is working
ginasnaps50 2 months ago
I always wondered why mormons want to be called Christians, but they have seperate music.. why?
eyem4freedom 4 months ago
I left the LDS Church because I read many of the anti-Mormon texts and arguments and realized Mormon theology was full of holes and contradictions. I then went a step further and applied that same logic and skepticism to all religion and guess what I found? ALL religion fails. If you're a Mormon questioning your faith, you should just skip a step and question ALL faith. All you need is logic, reason and a willingness to accept the truth whether or not you like the answers you find.
Drquestron 5 months ago
@Drquestron
What you have found out actually is the effectiveness of Mormonism to destroy ones Faith in the Bible, Jesus and God. There is no logic to be found in your logic. You are judging God's creation by His creation. What logic is there in that. God Bless
jonathandavid33 5 months ago
@jonathandavid33 Logic? If your hypothesis had any merit, there would be a lot more ex-Mormons just like me- in fact, most of them would be, by your reasoning. The sad thing is that most believers are just too indoctrinated to even bother to honestly question the most basic tenets of their faith. Until you do, you're just another slave to a ridiculous mythology that makes just as much sense as the mythology of the Greeks and Egyptians.
Drquestron 4 months ago
hahahaha and what i love is that you people actually take the time to do this... i loved when that guy said that his mom was going to hate him for leaving the LDS church hahahaha... guys... spend your time dedicating it to our Heavenly Father instead of attacking other religions... I mean... 55 minutes teaching scriptures would've been more rewarded.
perronervo 5 months ago
@perronervo
Other religions? There is one Lord, one Faith and one Baptism. Other religions? Silly Mormon!
jonathandavid33 5 months ago
I listen to all of the "ex-Mormons" tell their stories on here and it sounds to me like it was just too hard. If I give myself an exit, I'll take it! Sort of an attitude. You all say it doesn't line up with the bible?! Show me where the bible doesn't contradict it's self because of the many times it's Been translated. It's far to simple to witness the validity of the LDS faith with the bible that it's not worth doing. If you can't use your brain, and more so, your common sense to understand the
skiingsaint 6 months ago
@skiingsaint Brother you got to ask yourself, that if the Book of Mormon wasn't true, would you want to know? It sounds like to me that you may have possibly made the decision before hand that these people were just trying to find excuses because it was too hard- before you saw this. Please show me where the Bible contradicts itself. Google: the reliability of the new testament. CARM dot ORG
MVhowell87 6 months ago
I am ex-LDS member too, and it blesses my heart to see others come out of this cult. It's sad to see also those who refuse to see the wonderful Grace of Jesus Christ, and stick with Jospeh Smith and his blasphemous teachings.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago 3
Praise God for His loving kindness in saving these wonderful people out of mormonism and likewise saving my wife and I!
ahsido1 7 months ago 3
I'm a convert to the LDS church since 1981. These anti-Mormon videos only strengthen my testimony.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
Thank you so much for this message. It touched my heart and it's so pertinent to someone struggling with family and mormonism. You can really see the light of Christ in their eyes as they speak. Thank you
immgw 8 months ago
@immgw Thank you for your comment on this video. Jesus to you evermore...
Shulamitefire 7 months ago
Do not LDS folk believe that every person shall be in one heaven or the other except Mormon apostates? And that even, for example, unrepentant child molesters shall qualify at least for the wonderful telestial kingdom? cf D&C 76.
According to mormonistics the consequence is that even if you do live like the devil you shan't go to hell anyway.
I think Smith & Swedenborg were bedfellows.
Shulamitefire 8 months ago
@Shulamitefire : I've never heard anything definitive about exactly who goes where, but I think in general you're correct. However there are some things listed as "unforgiveable sins" (like murder), however, I've heard different opinions about whether this bars you from the upper heavens only, or whether it's an automatic ticket to Outer Darkness. The doctrine of repenting-after-death is one of the most frightening deceptions of Mormonism. It renders what we do in this life less important.
sacredgroves 8 months ago
The thing is, "As man is, God once was..." was published officially by the church, under the authority of the quorum, and came from the mouth of the one who claims to have been the mouthpiece of God, prophet, seer, revelator. There is absolutely no way that this is NOT doctrine, or at least that it was (but has it been recanted?). As for Jesus, he differs in that he, being God, became a man; it wasn't that he, being a man, became a God. So that's completely the opposite of Mormon teaching.
mowglisj 9 months ago
@mowglisj Is it in our scriptures? It's not therefore it's not doctrine.
lindalds 9 months ago
@lindalds It's in the teachings of the LDS prophets. Who more qualified to comment on and establish doctrine? If you reject some of their teachings that you might find awkward, then on what basis do you accept the uniquely LDS scriptures? They, too, came from the LDS prophets. You cannot accept one and reject the other...or have you somehow been granted a special insight from God to sort out what things the prophets taught was true, and what was false?
mowglisj 9 months ago
@mowglisj I have more qualifications to determine what is or is not doctrine than you ever will. That's what you are doing, YOU are trying to establish doctrine for our church. You are not even a member, let alone a General Authority. They ARE the ones who establish it, NOT you.
lindalds 9 months ago
@lindalds I'm not saying anything about LDS doctrines that the General Authorities haven't said. You're right, they ARE the ones who establish it. But if that's really the case, why is there so much disagreement among Mormons about which things are doctrine and which things are not? Why do so many, yourself included, seem to reject a lot of what had been taught? It's all so complicated, and the Gospel, the good news of Jesus, is not supposed to be complicated...it's simple and beautiful.
mowglisj 9 months ago
@mowglisj There is no disagreement, not really. The biggest problems come when the anti-mormons try to MAKE doctrine, those straw man doctrines that are so easy to then beat down. If we say "That's not what we believe", we are countered with what has the be the stupidest excuse in all time:
"you Mormons don't know what you believe!"
lindalds 9 months ago
@mowglisj You are absolutely right. Sadly the LDS church does not know the purity & simplicity & power of devotion to Christ as Paul contends for in 2 Cor. 11. It is utter & abject bondage & corruption, darkness in deepest degrees. They have enough rigid religiosity & cult churchianity to insulate themselves against the glorious Truth that many Christians abroad to this very day are martyred for. Love Mormons; love Mormons much; abhor Mormonism for what it actually is & where it came up from.
Shulamitefire 8 months ago
@Shulamitefire IOW, we don't follow lazy Christians preaching cheap grace.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds A worshipful heart of loving obedience to Christ is the condition & expression of gratitude for being saved from the state that is separation from God, both in this life & through the eternal ages, not that we might earn salvation, but because we have eternal life present tense & life everlasting. Do you believe the record that God gave of His Son? Do you know that if you died this very day that you would have eternal life or are you unsure that you have done ALL that you can do?
Shulamitefire 8 months ago
@Shulamitefire Am I sure of eternal life? Yes, I am. Am I sure I've done all I can do? No. But that does not mean I won't be saved, or even exalted. We do not believe in works for salvation. Not like you define salvation, anyway.
lindalds 8 months ago
@mowglisj I'm a convert to the LDS church, and it is NOT "complicated". You are right, it IS simple and beautiful. But anti-Mormon people make out LDS doctrine to be complicated, because they don't understand. I read all this anti-Mormon stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the church. I took the time to learn the truth.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@lindalds Doctrine does not have to be scripture. Doctrine is teaching. There is plenty of teaching in Mormonism that is not scripture. Often when LDS are confronted with their own church's teaching, rather than honestly & bravely facing same, they feign excuse that if it is not taught in scripture it is not taught. We know that Brigham Young taught that Adam is God & that Joseph Smith taught that God was once a man. There is nothing Christian about such; it is in fact altogether anti-Christ.
Shulamitefire 9 months ago
@Shulamitefire Doctrine is what is taught in the church, not what PEOPLE teach on their own. Sometimes a teacher will say something and others will say "Oh, that's doctrine because our SS teacher taught it".
What Brigham Young and Joseph Smith taught is not from God, but from their own minds. And they never said any differently.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds "What Brigham Young and Joseph Smith taught is not from God, but from their own minds. And they never said any differently." et al.
Obviously you are deep in denial. I can barely believe that you would offer such weak & wobbly arguments. It appears that you will grab whatever is handy in the hope that it might bolster your very tenuous position on issues. Mormons could stop lying to themselves. Those that actually have are leaving the JS church cult of counterfeit by the multitude.
Shulamitefire 8 months ago
@Shulamitefire I am in denial that you know anything about Joseph Smith or Brigham Young. If anyone is lying, it's you.
And there is not as many leaving as you would like to think.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds "But we may have become complacent. Don't we send out full-time missionaries? Isn't that enough? Aren't we "the fastest growing religion"? Actually, we're not. Church growth has been falling for MANY years, and our current rate of missionary success is the lowest it's been for DECADES." Daniel C. Peterson For Mormon Times in Deseret News April 7, 2011
Shulamitefire 8 months ago
@lindalds You deny that Brigham Young taught that Adam is God?
And that Joseph Smith taught that God the Father was a man?
Shulamitefire 8 months ago
@Shulamitefire I don't know, that's what people say. But since I listen to our current prophet, instead of what was written about from the past, then I don't worry about it. It's not taught today, so I don't see a problem.
lindalds 8 months ago
Does this mean, Linda, that you reject the teaching that "As man is, God once was"?
sacredgroves 8 months ago
@sacredgroves I wasn't aware that it was a teaching. I was never "taught" it. Yes, I've heard it many times, but, I was never TAUGHT it.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds : That may certainly be the case, that you were not taught it as doctrine. So do you reject it as truth? If you believe it's true, then why not proclaim it from the rooftops, if you believe that truth matters. Likewise, if you reject it as true, then say so. But if you do, you would be contradicting generations of Mormons before you who were taught it as doctrine--by the LDS prophets and apostles. If it's not true, then the prophetic status of all those men comes into question.
sacredgroves 8 months ago
@sacredgroves I don't accept it or reject it as truth. And if *I* was never taught it as doctrine, then no one else was, either.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds Goodness gracious! You certainly have a right to speak to your own experience, but how can you possibly claim to speak for every Latter-day Saint throughout history? That his highly presumptuous, not to mention grossly mistaken. I personally know many people who were taught this as doctrine. And many of them cling to that teaching to this day. We of course would urge you to reject this teaching altogether, and embrace the Jesus, who is the eternal God of all creation!
sacredgroves 8 months ago
@sacredgroves They could not have been taught it AS DOCTRINE. If they were, they were teaching false doctrine. If it were doctrine, it would be in the scriptures, or Ensign or something.
I tend to think that there is some truth to it, and it shouldn't be such a stretch for you if you call Jesus "the Eternal God" because Jesus came to this earth as a man, which would then make "As Man is, God once was" a truth.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds : I really urge you, not for my sake, but for yours, to really go and do your own research about this doctrine. Start with the King Follet discourse. The teaching--the doctrine--is absolutely unequivocal. If you "tend to think there is some truth to it" then be sure of it. At least be honest about it. Don't misrepresent the teachings of Mormonism and say that it's not taught, or that it's not doctrine. As for Jesus--God becoming a man is NOT the same as starting out as a man.
sacredgroves 8 months ago
@sacredgroves I've read the Follet sermon. All of it. I don't have a problem with it.
But, I READ it, I was not TAUGHT it.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds : Okay, you lost me. Your arguments have become increasingly irrational. Teaching is merely the imparting of knowledge or ideas, regardless of whether you accept them. But still, to suggest that because you weren't taught it, that no one else could have possibly been taught it, is utter nonsense Tell that to Bruce McConkie. Whether or not you accept what he teaches on the nature of God, it's clear that he TAUGHT it as DOCTRINE. (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321.)
sacredgroves 8 months ago
@sacredgroves There is a difference, then, between what man teaches, and what THE CHURCH teaches. Even "Mormon Doctrine" was not official church publication, and was written BEFORE McConkie became a General Authority. Even at the beginning of the book, he states that it is HIS work and no one else's. The other GA's did have him make some changes on some of his more radical theories, so that he would not be guilty of teaching totally false doctrine.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds : McConkie quotes Joseph Smith when he claims God once was a man. So I guess that brings me back to my earlier question of what exactly makes something reliable doctrine? It was taught by Joseph Smith, and several generations of LDS prophets after him. So why are you afraid to call it "doctrine"? And if it's not doctrine, then what is it? Speculation? Theory? Opinion? If so, then what about the standard works? Are they just speculation too? Then what authority do they have?
sacredgroves 8 months ago
@sacredgroves If it's scripture, it's doctrine.
Scripture becomes so when the prophet, his two counselors, and the Quorom of the Twelve agree that it's from God. They then ask the church about it who usually will sistain something that time.
What is doctrine?
As man is, God once was...
no.
As God is, man may become.
yes.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds. Okay, that's a concrete distinction. I suspect there are Mormons who might disagree with you, but that's okay. Do you (personally) believe that God was once a man? Do you believe that he is subject to the laws of eternal progression? I'm asking only because I've heard mixed responses from Latter-day Saints on this subject. Some says "yes, definitely," others aren't sure, and others reject it outright. Where do you fall in that spectrum?
sacredgroves 8 months ago
@sacredgroves I have not really made a stand, but I do sort of lean towards, yes, I do believe it, to some degree. Only if our Heavenly Father had, at some point, been like us would He have any sort of empathy and sympathy for our lives. Of course, being God, He could know without having "been there done that". I just don't know.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds Okay, that's fair. But may I ask, what is the reason or reasons that you tend to lean toward agreeing with the idea that God was once a man? What are the "sources," I guess is my question, for at least considering that as a possibility? And also, would you be willing to examine some biblical passages that challenge that particular idea?
sacredgroves 8 months ago
@sacredgroves No sources except my own sense of logic. There's a verse or two, that SUGGESTS such a thing, like John 5:19. But, yeah, give me the verses, I'm always up for a challenge.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds Linda: I sent you a message to your inbox, since the character constraints in these comment boxes is too short for it!
sacredgroves 8 months ago
@lindalds Goodness gracious! You certainly have a right to speak to your own experience, but how can you possibly claim to speak for every Latter-day Saint throughout history? That his highly presumptuous, not to mention grossly mistaken. I personally know many people who were taught this as doctrine. And many of them cling to that teaching to this day. We of course would urge you to reject this teaching altogether, and embrace the Jesus, who is the eternal God of all creation!
sacredgroves 8 months ago
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. " Timothy 4:2-5
jeanniem76 9 months ago
@jeanniem76 Amen! Your point is...?
lindalds 9 months ago
I was born, like Nephi, of Goodly Christian parents. I was raised in the United Methodist church. I accepted Christ many years ago.
But, in reading and studying the Bible, I came to realize that there was just something missing. I made a sort of mental list of what the Biblical church would teach and believe. It was not until I talked to the LDS missionaries that I realized that I had finally found the Biblical church. I've been LDS now for over 30 years.
lindalds 9 months ago
@lindalds : I would be really interested to know what was on your mental list of the things a biblical church should teach and believe...and how the LDS Church fulfills that list. In what way is the LDS Church a "biblical church"?
sacredgroves 9 months ago
@sacredgroves No "Trinity"; no denominations; no cathedrals, processionals, candles, responsive readings, fancy robes, passing the plate, etc. Symbols other than a cross.
All of our congregations teach, and are tught, the same things every week. We have a living prophet, and living apostles. Continuing revelation from God, to His church.
And, since I've joined the church, I understand the Bible SO much more than I ever did before.
Just to name a couple.
lindalds 9 months ago
@lindalds I would strongly encourage you to continue reading and studying your Bible, and move past just the passages that you are told to read, and study all of it. You will not find the word "Trinity" but you will find the doctrine of the Trinity. As for all the other things, no, I suppose they're not in the Bible; those are cultural aspects of some churches. (Candles? Seriously? That condemns a church?) Many of the cultural AND doctrinal aspects of Mormonism are absent from the Bible.
sacredgroves 9 months ago
@sacredgroves What in the world makes you think that I have NOT studied my Bible, cover to cover? The thing is, that I was told what to read more often BEFORE I joined the LDS church, by my pastors, and others, than I EVER was in the LDS church! As for "doctrine of the Trinity", there is no such thing. Every time I ask someone to explain it, I get two different explanations.
ALL of the cultural and doctrinal aspects of "Mormonism" are in the Bible.
lindalds 9 months ago
@lindalds Wait...ALL the cultural and doctrinal aspects of Mormonism are in the Bible? Like temple marriage being necessary for exaltation? Like Joseph Smith being the arbiter of salvation? That God was once a man, and that man can become a God? Those are some pretty fundamental doctrines of Mormonism that you do not find in the Bible.
mowglisj 9 months ago
@mowglisj First, it is not doctrine that Joseph SMith is the arbiter of salvation, or that God was once a man.
The rest are Biblical, if not specifically mentioned in the Bible. We believe in living prophets and apostles, and continuing revelation from God. This is Biblical. In fact, that man can become like God is mentioned a couple times like "Be ye therefore perfect.." and "...heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ" among others.
lindalds 9 months ago
@lindalds Yowza...well, in saying what you have said, you have set yourself against the teachings of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Lorenzo Snow, etc., etc., etc. I can't speak for your beliefs personally, but it is undeniable that Mormonism has taught and continues to teach the DOCTRINE that God was once a man. You are either being dishonest with me, or are grossly uninformed about the doctrines of your religion.
mowglisj 9 months ago
@mowglisj After over 30 years, I think I know what I've been taught in my own church. It is not DOCTRINE. It is THEORY. I'm sure some Mormons think it is doctrine, but it's really not.
lindalds 9 months ago
@lindalds "That exalted position was made manifest to me at a very early day. I had a direct revelation of this. It was most perfect and complete. If there ever was a thing revealed to man perfectly, clearly, so that there could be no doubt or dubiety, this was revealed to me, and it came in these words: 'As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may be.' " (Lorenzo Snow, The Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, p.5). How can anyone read this and think it was just a "theory" in Lorenzo Snow's mind?
mowglisj 9 months ago
@mowglisj Because if it were more than that, it would have been confirmed as such by the rest of the Quorom of the Twelve, then be sustained by the general population of the church.
However, it is true, even from a non-LDS Christian point of view, as they believe Jesus is God, and Jesus was once a man, and therefore he'd fulfill the first part.
lindalds 9 months ago
@lindalds Christ, Himself, said that He is the end of the law and the prophets. Read the New Testament and you will see. :-)
jeanniem76 9 months ago
@jeanniem76 Jesus did not say that, He said He fulfilled the law, but He never said He was the end of the law or the prophets, which means, the writings of the prophets of the Old Testament.
lindalds 9 months ago
@mowglisj Those aren't even in the Book of Mormon. I find that very interesting considering they say that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. I was LDS, thankfully I now see the light. :-)
jeanniem76 9 months ago
@lindalds : The thing that makes me question whether you know your Bible as well as you think you do is that you are making claims about the Bible that simply aren't based on fact...or you are at least are ignoring things in the Bible that don't fit with Mormon teachings. But of course, many Mormon leaders have taught that the Bible is corrupted and unreliable, so why even bother appealing to the Bible in the first place? Why not just toss it out and forget about it?
sacredgroves 9 months ago
@sacredgroves Just because I don't interpret it like you do does not mean I don't know it.
And none of our leaders have EVER said that the Bible is unreliable. We do not believe that it is complete, perfect, or infallible. I never did believe that, even before I joined the LDS church. How could God give us that one source, and then shut His mouth, leaving us, as Paul said, as children tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine?
lindalds 9 months ago
@lindalds "...who, in his right mind, could for one moment, suppose the Bible in its present form to be a perfect guide? No one can tell whether even one verse of either the Old or New Testament conveys the ideas of the original author" (Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 28). How on earth could this be interpreted to mean anything other than the Bible is unreliable? There are many other quotes like it. To say the Bible is insufficient is to disbelieve the Bible altogether.
sacredgroves 9 months ago
@lindalds "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." -Matthew 16:18. Was Jesus lying? Because the Jesus I know is perfect and not a liar. God is all powerful, all knowing. If He puts forth His word into the world, the gates of hell most certainly will not prevail against it. God bless you, I pray your eyes will be opened. By the way, as a Mormon, I was taught that the Bible is not reliable.
jeanniem76 9 months ago
@jeanniem76 Matt. 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
This verse shows that it's not Peter, but what Peter did, which was receive REVELATION from GOD. Since the church shut God's mouth, refused to hear Him speak, thats when revelation is gone and soon, you have apostasy, which is more or less the gates of hell.
lindalds 9 months ago
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@lindalds "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12 "For all have sinned & fall short of the glory of God." Rom 3:23 "If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," & believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." Rom 10:9 ..Rom 5:8,
jeanniem76 9 months ago
Awesom Video, I have just resigned from the Mormon Church due to reading the bible(NT) and finding out the BOM was not making sense with the bible and religion was not making sense with Christanity and left because I thought it wasnt christian
MrUNIXman 9 months ago
@MrUNIXman Praise the Lord! Amen! I also left the mormon church after reading the Bible (NT) without any preconcieved ideas of what truth was. The Lord opened my eyes!
akg771959 8 months ago
@akg771959 That probley explains Mormons Church says the bible is true providing its translated correctly or prevents you from reading the bible, as they tried to do with my friend. its something to take people away from the real Jesus. There is another ex mormon in same chiristian church I go to also said he left because they did not use the bible more. He too was from the same ward. Also a Christian in the another town told me what he disagreed with and I looked at the LDS differently since.
MrUNIXman 8 months ago
@MrUNIXman What I found very odd, as I was a mormon. I was always taught that man had corrupted the Bible, but could never get an answer as to what exactly was corrupt. When I started attending a Christian church, I was quite amazed that the Bible is taught in EVERY class and EVERY worship service. Furthermore, a "mistranslation" IS pointed out, but does NOT drastically change the meaning of the verse. What an AMAZING God we have...Amen?
akg771959 8 months ago
@akg771959 Another funny thing about Mormons, they don't anti mormon material even though it tells the truth. JW are no different too. Were you born a Mormon?. The Church I go to always refers to the bible also has no need for manuals like the Mormons do in their preisthoods. We do have an Amazing God too who helped us through problems. Amen to u
MrUNIXman 8 months ago
@MrUNIXman Yes, I was raised as lds. I stumbled onto "anti" material accidently. As I started further investigation I realized that the "anti" material was right on the mark. I had wondered why my own church hadn't mentioned any of this...you know, give the good and the bad. But instead, all I got, growing up lds, is what sounded good. Ultimately, it was reading the Bible that changed my heart and mind.
akg771959 8 months ago
@akg771959 I am a convert to the LDS church and I read all the "anti" material over 30 years ago when I was investigating the church! It was all I could find! And in Christian book stores, of all places!! I knew it couldn't be right. Finally I found the truth. I can't imagine being a member of any other church. We have the fulness of the Gospel! It brings you CLOSER to Jesus Christ and the Bible, not farther away.
cindybin2001 7 months ago
@cindybin2001 You do not KNOW the fullness of the Gospel, let alone have it. You have tried this rhetoric on me once before and it doesn't fly! I stand STEADFAST on God's Word and I will not let you come along and attempt to shake that foundation.
akg771959 7 months ago
@cindybin2001 Sister do you consider that you were unrepented, hadn't the Holy Spirit and still spiritually undiscerned, (the Bible says the unrepented are) while you were searching for the truth of the "anti-mormonism?" God's word stays clean. There is nothing men can do to God's word. google supreme reliability of new testament (CARM dot ORG.) Also dead sea scrolls for OT Cindy, if the BOM wasn't true would you want to know at this point? Galatians1:6 read this please and we will go frm there
MVhowell87 6 months ago
Such an awesome video. Thank you for placing it here for us to hear and see. It gives me more hope that this is a task that God has placed before us can indeed make a
tremendous difference.
MsRitaMarie 9 months ago
If anybody has any questions about the LDS church, a good book is "A Marvelous Work and a Wonder" by LeGrande Richards. I read that over 30 years ago when was investigating the church; I had read the Book of Mormon and still wondered about the DOCTRINES of the church, what made them "different". I found that book in the local library and it really did help explain it all! I highly recommend it.
cindybin2001 9 months ago
I was a 4th generation mormon oldest of 5 in my family all others are still in in the mormon church and hold temple recommends please pray for them.
We have a website saving mormons dot com
idjmic 9 months ago
@cindybin2001 did you watch the video?
jsedw05 10 months ago
Praise God for this video. I have a renewed compassion for Mormons by watching these testimonies and look forward to the next opportunity to share with them the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Glory to God for these saints!
jsedw05 10 months ago
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I am so thankful to have you all as friends! I love you guys so much! Keep spreading the TRUE WORD!
DiannaBrickey 10 months ago
I am so thankful to have you all as friends! I love you guys so much! Keep spreading the TRUE WORD!
DiannaBrickey 10 months ago
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norseczar27 10 months ago
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I loved this film! Really tuched my heart!
frody112 10 months ago
@FoxDizzy Praise God, isn't it wonderful too be free!
savedbygrace1972 10 months ago
Awesome I was a Mormon, now I'm a Christian!
savedbygrace1972 10 months ago 15
@savedbygrace1972 How can you say Mormons aren't Christians?? I'm a convert to the Church and we are more Christian than any other church!
cindybin2001 10 months ago
@cindybin2001 Cindy I was a convert to LDS at 16. Cindy being a nice person doesn't make you a Christian. There are nice people who are atheist. The LDS Church does not hold to the teachings of the Bible, your Church doesn't believe we evangelical (born again) are CHristians.
savedbygrace1972 10 months ago
@savedbygrace1972 We do believe evengelical born agains are Christians, it's just that whole thing about other churches not having the "fulness of the gospel." If you were in the LDS church you should remember that and understand that. Of course other people are Christians, if they believe in Christ, etc. but that's what sets apart the LDS church is having the FULNESS of the Gospel, the priesthood, the additional scriptures and revelation, a living prophet, etc. But yes, you are a Christian.
cindybin2001 9 months ago
@cindybin2001 Hi Cindy! I was once a member of the LDS church, too. I was gung-ho for everything it taught. I did the mission thing, taught seminary, EQP, YM Leader, etc. I worked on an Apologetics website. I loved the church. But then God opened my eyes to what the bible says about being a Christian. He opened my eyes to the true Grace God offers, even when I screw up. He opened up my eyes to many things that the LDS church teaches that are very anti-biblical. Contact me, we'll talk.
waynefeller 9 months ago
@waynefeller Oh come on, you've got to be kidding. If you think you're going to "deprogram" me, it just isn't going to happen. About this grace thing, of course God offers grace! That's what it's all about! But we also have to do our part. And of course we can screw up! Nobody is perfect! That's where repentance comes in. Anyway, you really think I'm going to contact you so we can talk and you can try to make me think the church isn't true?? I don't understand how ex-Mormons can think this way.
cindybin2001 9 months ago
@cindybin2001 Hi Cindy. I understand your reluctance. But look at it this way: the LDS church sends out missionaries because they believe they have this amazing truth, and want the world to know about it. Well, God has revealed amazing truths that have freed me, and I want to share those with everyone. Thousands of Mormons are coming to Christ, which is a wonderful thing. I am merely trying to do my share.
waynefeller 9 months ago
@waynefeller Okay, okay. Well I worked too hard to gain my testimony of the Church all those years ago and to KEEP it and exercise my faith. So I'll have to pass on your offer. It's just so frustrating when I try to HELP you people online and it's like talking to a wall! I make these nice, sincere posts and think that I've made a difference and that people will thank me for helping explain things, then I get these replies back that just astound me! I can't believe it! Oh well. Take care.
cindybin2001 9 months ago
@cindybin2001 LOL! Now you know how we feel! We reach out to people with love and a sincere desire to help, only to hit that proverbial wall you speak of. But I appreciate your honesty. As for A Marvelous Work and Wonder, if you really want to get into whether or not it is biblical. I would be more than happy to talk to you about that, but that's up to you. God bless!
waynefeller 9 months ago
@cindybin2001 The way I see it, I don't have a problem if people want to reject what we believe. If they can't believe it, that's ok. BUT, at least know what it is that we DO believe. Not all this anti-Mormon propaganda.
And for Utah Mormons having a crisis of faith, I say, GET OUT OF UTAH! Go far away, and start attending church somewhere else. It would be the best thing you ever did.
lindalds 9 months ago
@lindalds I was LDS my whole life. First, read the Bible, second..read the Journal of Discourses and History of the Church and learn about how JS went down in a gun battle, he killed two people before he died. Learn about the things they don't tell you. Study linguistics, DNA evidence, False book of Abraham (aka Egyptian funerary papyri, failed prophecies-there are MANY) So much, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Study occult symbols, then look at the temple. Why pentagrams on temples?
jeanniem76 9 months ago
@jeanniem76 First, it was because I read my Bible that I joined the LDS church. Second, there is nothing in the Journals of Discourses that is important to my life. Third, I would hardly call it a gun battle. One against over 200? I'd say that the odds were stacked a little. IF he killed two people, the kill ratio (his to theirs) was about >2% to their 100%.
I've studied all those anti-Mormon junks, it's all refuted over and over many times.
lindalds 9 months ago
@jeanniem76 For instance, there has been NO studies done specifically to support or refute the Book of Mormon, it would be impossible to do so. All the DNA shows is that TODAY'S Native AmerIndians do not have the same DNA as TODAY'S Jews.
We do not have the papyri that Joseph Smith used to translate the Book of Abraham.
lindalds 9 months ago
@jeanniem76 As for the symbols, symbols mean what those using them say they mean. The symbols on our temple mean what WE say they mean, to us.
If you see them and you see Satan, then that says more about you than it does about us.
lindalds 9 months ago
@lindalds Indeed, its says that I've done plenty of research into the church I grew up in and its devastating connections. God bless you, it took me time as well.
jeanniem76 9 months ago
@jeanniem76 You mean, you've done research in anti-Mormonism. And it told you what you wanted to hear.
Just admit that you don't believe. You don't have to beat it to death. It's not going to make me change MY mind. I am right where God wants me.
lindalds 9 months ago
@waynefeller Also, have you read "A Marvelous Work and a Wonder" by LeGrande Richards? That book helped me so much. When I was investigating the Church years ago, I read the Book of Mormon but still had questions, and wondered what made the LDS church "different". I found that book in the local library and it explained it all, including the stuff about grace, etc. I highly recommend it.
cindybin2001 9 months ago
@cindybin2001 I have read it, several times. But it is based upon the Book of Mormon, and strays far from what the bible teaches about God's plan of Salvation.
waynefeller 9 months ago
@waynefeller A Marvelous Work and a Wonder DOES teach about god's plan of salvation! That's what it's all about! It explains things so well! It just astounds me that people can be so different, that I could read that and understand it completely and it helps me so much, and then somebody else comes away with an entirely different reaction. How can that happen???? People are so frustrating!!!! Lol. Anyway, I really do wish you would understand that it does teach what the Bible teaches.
cindybin2001 9 months ago
@cindybin2001 Cindy, read the bible. Drop LeGrand Richards, drop Joseph Smith, and read the bible by itself, on its own. Then go back and pray to God to show you the truth. I am praying for you, my sister!
waynefeller 9 months ago
@waynefeller I can and do read the Bible on it's own. It only strengthens my testimony of the LDS church.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@savedbygrace1972 This is just so ridiculous. You act like Mormons aren't Christians. We are more Christian than any other church!
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001 LDS is a cult. Smith & spiders spit in Jesus' face & trampled the New Covenant that Jesus cut in His blood. They neither deemed nor esteemed His Word good enough or right enough to honor. 1Tim.3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife. Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, et al. They chose not to provide the undivided attention & holy affection that a woman & her children so require & deserve.
Shulamitefire 7 months ago 2
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@savedbygrace1972 Mormons are more Christian than any other church.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@Teamjones94: Your question simply isn't based on facts. I've read and studied Jesus' words from numerous different translations in at least 2 different languages, 3 if you count the original Greek. There is no substantive difference, as you imply. Multiple translations, yes. Multiple Bibles, no. We've addressed that very question on our website. Check out sacredgrovesonline (dot) org (slash) questions (dot) htm, and scroll down to the fifth topic if you really want an answer to this.
sacredgroves 11 months ago 5
Just curious, there are so many versions of the Bible, which one do you believe in? Christ's words seem to be translated according to the whims of many different organizations. How do you know which one has his true words?
Teamjones94 11 months ago
@Teamjones94 Hey teamjones! I would love to see examples of your claim.
waynefeller 9 months ago
Awesome job thank you!
frozengi 11 months ago