Weak driving skills by all involved. Breaking in the corners? That's a real rookie move. Come on people!!! Shame to crunch some fine German engineering with such obvious lameocity. Perhaps I'm a bit harsh and for that I apologize.
You guys sound like you've all read alot of books, have you raced at all? I think he had the wrong line, tried to brake too late than locked the brakes so this is why he could not turn and crashed.
I have driven Thunderhill and I am familiar with this turn. In my prepared Miata I enter track right, clip the rumble strips on the left, then track out on the right over run area. He was way too hot into the corner on a very bad line. Never should have attempted this pass here.
wow lay off the guy, common mistake, he locked 'em up and end result was he couldn't turn. He just got caught up in the heat of battle and went in too hot tryin to outbrake the other guy. Happens to the best of them
Your lack of braking skills should not have constituted a bay day for other guy. He was taking a wide line, but he also knew he had a chucklehead in a little over his head. He assumed you were going to take the inside line, but didn't assume you were planning to go straight instead of left..
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I'll bet he was PISSED. Dude, you took a HORRIBLE line going into that final turn. He could have been looking for you and taken the inside line back on you after you overshot the apex but with your poor choice of lines on many of those turns, it would have been too great a risk due to your unpredictable (i.e. bad) driving style.
But again, what was the other driver doing not paying attention to the RV mirror? WTF? He could have slowed down, let 'our driver straight-line' the corner and pass from the inside.BTW: I personally like the way he takes turn one staying in the inside whereas everyone else moving to the outside to take the 'proper' racing line..but at the exit of the turn, 'our guy's exit speed is just as fast as the others.
I don't know what the big drama is about Yes, it was a bonehead move considering it was an hpde event, but 'cutting under' is really not a bad move.(did you know European race schools actually teach this technique to 'lean on the poor sap on the outside?) The only problem I see here is that the entry speed was too high, and there is no rubber on the road.
No detective skills needed only car dynamics knowledge.
It's pretty obvious. The car doing the inside pass went hot into the turn and pushed (understeered) to the outside, into the path of the other car. The car using the outside line (on the right) held his position and was driven into by the pushing car.
The first rule of driving fast is that you can only go as fast as the car is prepared to let you go. He went faster into the turn than the car was capable.
@pencilneck22 sorry for replying to a 2 year old comment but it's not 'going too fast into the turn' that caused understeer. there was no steer at all. A lot of racing cars come without anti-locking brakes. Braking around a corner, or into it, comes with risks of locking the steering up. That is what happened.
@Hirotoro4692: I some how think that you won't believe me so I'll quote Trackpedia: "Understeer, also known as a "front wheel skid", a "slide", or simply "Push", is the physical tendency of a car to be reluctant to turn into a corner, because the inertia is still pushing it forward (while the tires point sideways into the corner)." Also, "No steer at all" as you are turning is understeer - a HUGE amount of it no doubt but it still is. Locked steering or not, it is still push.
Seriously you did not have that line, came in way too hot, and when you started sliding you crashed into the side of the other car. He was clearly faster than you too, you just might have been a little later braker. wow.
Great vid of classic car club racing follies! Thanks for the vid!
Vanderkitten 8 months ago
Weak driving skills by all involved. Breaking in the corners? That's a real rookie move. Come on people!!! Shame to crunch some fine German engineering with such obvious lameocity. Perhaps I'm a bit harsh and for that I apologize.
c5x2c 10 months ago
i think he might have made the turn if he hadnt braked at all. hard to tell though
yeedoh 1 year ago
You guys sound like you've all read alot of books, have you raced at all? I think he had the wrong line, tried to brake too late than locked the brakes so this is why he could not turn and crashed.
standaway1 1 year ago
I have driven Thunderhill and I am familiar with this turn. In my prepared Miata I enter track right, clip the rumble strips on the left, then track out on the right over run area. He was way too hot into the corner on a very bad line. Never should have attempted this pass here.
milano61 2 years ago
wow lay off the guy, common mistake, he locked 'em up and end result was he couldn't turn. He just got caught up in the heat of battle and went in too hot tryin to outbrake the other guy. Happens to the best of them
cobrafan427 2 years ago 4
bad line, bad bad line.. geez.. so many analysts here..
hardbodiii 2 years ago
Your lack of braking skills should not have constituted a bay day for other guy. He was taking a wide line, but he also knew he had a chucklehead in a little over his head. He assumed you were going to take the inside line, but didn't assume you were planning to go straight instead of left..
jonprall 3 years ago
lol XD
jonbotdotcom 3 years ago
Thank you for providing racers in Norcal this educational video on "How not to make an inside pass." To continue your service to the community, please also provide us with the names of the organizations/jurisdictions under which you track/race and your car #.
usm34me 3 years ago
I'll bet he was PISSED. Dude, you took a HORRIBLE line going into that final turn. He could have been looking for you and taken the inside line back on you after you overshot the apex but with your poor choice of lines on many of those turns, it would have been too great a risk due to your unpredictable (i.e. bad) driving style.
Huskerbill 4 years ago
But again, what was the other driver doing not paying attention to the RV mirror? WTF? He could have slowed down, let 'our driver straight-line' the corner and pass from the inside.BTW: I personally like the way he takes turn one staying in the inside whereas everyone else moving to the outside to take the 'proper' racing line..but at the exit of the turn, 'our guy's exit speed is just as fast as the others.
herFleischer 4 years ago
@herFleischer ancient video/ comment but im gunna say his exit speed was a lot, lot slower than the other guy, but he has the advantage of drafting.
Hirotoro4692 8 months ago
I don't know what the big drama is about Yes, it was a bonehead move considering it was an hpde event, but 'cutting under' is really not a bad move.(did you know European race schools actually teach this technique to 'lean on the poor sap on the outside?) The only problem I see here is that the entry speed was too high, and there is no rubber on the road.
herFleischer 4 years ago
the crash was your fault - you are driving a bad line.
take a gocart and go on a wet track - you got lot of things to learn!!
NilsHolgerson 4 years ago
it was his fault really? man you are good, you should become a detective.
th1alb 3 years ago
No detective skills needed only car dynamics knowledge.
It's pretty obvious. The car doing the inside pass went hot into the turn and pushed (understeered) to the outside, into the path of the other car. The car using the outside line (on the right) held his position and was driven into by the pushing car.
The first rule of driving fast is that you can only go as fast as the car is prepared to let you go. He went faster into the turn than the car was capable.
pencilneck22 3 years ago
@pencilneck22 sorry for replying to a 2 year old comment but it's not 'going too fast into the turn' that caused understeer. there was no steer at all. A lot of racing cars come without anti-locking brakes. Braking around a corner, or into it, comes with risks of locking the steering up. That is what happened.
Hirotoro4692 8 months ago
@Hirotoro4692: I some how think that you won't believe me so I'll quote Trackpedia: "Understeer, also known as a "front wheel skid", a "slide", or simply "Push", is the physical tendency of a car to be reluctant to turn into a corner, because the inertia is still pushing it forward (while the tires point sideways into the corner)." Also, "No steer at all" as you are turning is understeer - a HUGE amount of it no doubt but it still is. Locked steering or not, it is still push.
pencilneck22 8 months ago
You were asking for trouble there in turn 9 by taking that bad line and cutting him off like that. I bet he was rather upset at you.
MR2Mike 4 years ago
Seriously you did not have that line, came in way too hot, and when you started sliding you crashed into the side of the other car. He was clearly faster than you too, you just might have been a little later braker. wow.
pyite20v 4 years ago
in tennis they call it unforced error. or in this case: two wrecks - doublefault. up to that point it was a awesome race.
Gal64 5 years ago
Man that was crazy, did he get out and punch you when you took him too tight?
TJHKNIGHT 5 years ago