Decision Points--George W Bush--Waterboarding

[xMasSaCreDx]

He's a monster...

[WiseOneNoDrugs]

See "Fall of the Republic" on youtube.

[oleHABSole]

what is waterboarding?

[kchansen1366]

@oleHABSole You tie a person down, cover thier nose and mouth with cloth and slowly pour water over their face. This simulates drowning and causes a choking effect on the victim.

[kchansen1366]

@oleHABSole You tie a person down, cover thier nose and mouth with cloth and slowly pour water over their face. This simulates drowning and causes a choking effect on the victim. Al-Queda does not waterboard, they cut people's heads off.

[oleHABSole]

@kchansen1366 Thanks. I watched the movie ''The.Expendables'' yesterday and when they were doing it to that girl, I was like ''I think that's waterboarding'' lol

[claton95]

Thankgod for waterboarding. It kept the US safe after 911.

[britters191]

Whenever I see this man attempting to talk, I shake my head in wonder that you guys elected this moron to the office of President. It's a bit like giving a 5-year old kid an Uzi. You don't know where he'll point it, if/when he'll pull the trigger, and if he could stop before the magazine empties. The idiot Bush said something about a book that he's written. Give me a break; he can barely talk never mind write! I don't envy the ghost writers who had to make sense of his aimless ramblings.

[safetosaydontquoteme]

"Would it be okay to waterboard an American citizen?"

.... "FML I'M CAUGHT"........ "Just read the book"

[seth917]

Lauer is a ignorant phony.

[Convenient8765]

AS for Obama hes a very smart man and a great public speaker but im sorry to say it hes a cowardly president who backs down to pressure and resisitence, he cares more about his public figure than getting the job done i mean cmon he went around the world practically apologizing to them, and goes on shows like the view and shit

[zip68]

@Convenient8765 you fucking dick, you should zip your mouth and never open it and stop believing in invisible enemies

[Convenient8765]

i got alot of respect for george bush after this intereview matt lauer was being a asshole as usual and trying to get apologies out of bush, and bush wasnt about to back down to the media shitheads, even though i didnt like Bush and he made alot of mistakes as do most presidents but he always defended him self and his action people just dont realize that we live in a different world now that we cant use conventional tactics against a unconventional enemy

[punxsutawneybarney]

Christopher Hitchens lasted 15 seconds. Mancow Muller lasted 6. Both said it was torture. See my video "Hannity Inanity"

[NSResponder]

Shrub is mistaken on a fundamental point of law. It is illegal to torture a convicted felon because of the constitutional prohibition of "cruel and unusual punishments." When the person being tortured hasn't even been tried, then the torture is a crime, period. Everyone from the torturer to the president, the entire chain of command, is culpable. That includes the members of the Obama administration who declined to prosecute anyone for this crime, who are now accessories after the fact.

[phoenixpilot85051]

@NSResponder One thing you could take comfort in. If we had been attacked again if we had not waterboarded the terrorists, we could take comfort in the fact that we never offended anyone!

[Demiler]

@phoenixpilot85051 Dude, if i got you right, you think that after all it was OK to torture terrorists to get information from them? If you do, it offends me. Being comfortable with those decisions is just as bad as taking a part of them.

[Rustybke]

Great President, who I didn't always agree with, but we now have a true bush league President in Office! WATERBOARD every one of these terrorists!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Frazynut]

After WW II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding Americans and other Allieds. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, a 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure." Asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping between life & death"

[yokey123]

@Frazynut How about convicting some of your own now.

[SparksfromtheAnvil]

@Frazynut,

Those Japanese soldiers were prosecuted for doing much more than just "waterboarding". U.S. soldiers were also entitled to full POW status as lawful combatants under Geneva. Also the SERE-inspired waterboarding by the CIA, under strict guidelines from OLC and with strict medical supervision, is not the same as the "water cure" Nielsen was subjected to. KSM even figured out just how many seconds the pours could last for.

[Frazynut]

@SparksfromtheAnvil

Virtually everything you just wrote confirms the stupidity of using this form of torture, particularly the point about KSM. He was MOCKING them. In other words, just bad enough to be called torture. Just tolerable enough to piss off the combatant and have him mock you and provide bad info. And we now know that all prescient info related to capture of Osama Bin Laden, that came from KSM, came from non "enhanced" interrogation. The debate goes on, though not sure why.

[SparksfromtheAnvil]

@Frazynut,

Or, it confirms that waterboarding doesn't rise to the level of definition for torture. Maybe it is- but its effects are mostly psychological (as applied by the CIA). KSM was tough. And he had received resistance training against standard interrogation methods. He was only 1 of 3 who was waterboarded. And it did produce actionable intelligence. Over half of what we learned about al Qaeda by 2006 came directly out of the CIA program.

[SparksfromtheAnvil]

@Frazynut,

Also, EITs were applied to only 30 of the 100 HVTs in CIA custody. Interrogating these terrorists led to other operatives, other cells, uncovered plots, etc. We began to understand how their network operated, how money was transferred, etc. Credit goes to the CIA program and EITs.  If they led to couriers and operatives who did not receive EITs, that's irrelevant. Again, only a handful of al Qaeda fighters ever received EITs.

[SparksfromtheAnvil]

@Frazynut,

Check out one of my posts:

Google "Flopping Aces Torture Doesn't Work". There are about 3-4 posts that will appear at the top of the page that might be of interest to you. Thanks for the civil disagreement and debate.

[SaintMichael82]

He was a great president. He protected America from these radical extremists.

[nonzerospy]

@SaintMichael82 agreed everyone that says otherwise has forgotten 9-11 and the feelings afterwards

[yokey123]

@SaintMichael82 He ran up a record deficit, ripped up the constitution, attacked a totally innocent country based on a pack of lies and basically sold the US to China and the Arabs. Sure was a great President if you happended to be someone who wished disaster on the USA. Quick question...have you go zero intelligence and ability to think or are you simply goofing with us here?