Jeff Krosnoff fatal Champcar Crash - Live Coverage

[MissEgasMoniz]

I keep looking to the left to see any action surrounding the track marshall who died - none for ages? Should Krosnoff have been racing in the big leagues? Like Ratzenberger in F- was driving beyond his true abilities?

[dobakito44]

@MissEgasMoniz its terrible, it took me about 3 times to see the marshall who got hit. i dont think any paramedics realized a marshall was struck for at least 5 minutes. but sadly and horribly, it looks like no ammount of medical attention would have helped either of the 2. but this accident wasnt krosnoffs fault, a drafting car pulled out and cut him off. also ratzenberger died because the car wasnt as fast as he was pushing it. both drivers deserved to be in the pros.

[MissEgasMoniz]

I keep looking to the left to see any action surrounding the track marshall who

[MarshallATV]

@24JGallday He died instantly when he struck the light post.

[24JGallday]

how exactly did Jeff Krosnoff died?

[Talladega93]

@24JGallday he snapped his neck after hitting the light post

[mperhaps]

Rare is right. I've been looking for this clip ( I never realized until I typed it how morbid of a pursuit that sounds like) since I saw it live in 1996. Thanks for the post.

[thenicedudejay]

this crash reminds me of the Kenny Brack crash. the car climbing & spinning the fence high. so sad two people had to die in this crash. R.I.P :(

[blackdubsociety]

#16 is lucky as fuck to have been missed by the whole rear end falling on him. He could have been the third death.

[hayd112233]

FUCK THOSE MARSHALLS WHERE LUCKY

[ohiopower]

@hayd112233

Not all of them

[GuiGui550000]

@hayd112233 One of them died

[Barnakos]

@hayd112233 No they Weren't , a track marshall named Gary Avrin died at the scene. You can see krosnoff's front right tire hit the head of Avrin when it got airborne. Both driver and marshall died instantly. If you can't see it, go see the same video with better quality

[ritzkai]

@hayd112233 one was not.

[DieKolkrabe]

Reading Steve Olvey's book, he stated that he knew Jeff was dead as soon as he saw him, but he wasn't going to declare a driver dead at the track (after Gordon Smiley in 1982). At the time there was a dispute about ambulances, the driver (for whatever reason) wasn't about to admit he wasn't licensed for public roads, so the ambulance did a lap of the track. After this race all that changed with the VP of Molson getting involved.

[ianhands69]

fuck me 3.45 u see the marshal get wiped out. so sad r.i.p

[azapro911]

Poor Adrian Fernandez had the unhappy duty of winning the races that Jeff Krosnoff and Greg Moore perished in. I think he also had an accident at Michigan in '98 that led to the death of a spectator, but I can't be totally sure about that.

[DieKolkrabe]

@azapro911 He did, a wheel went into the stands (later referenced in the movie Driven)

[pandyonetwo]

To this day people still put flowers and ribbons on the tree that Krosnoff crashed into on Lakeshore Avenue. Such a horrible tragedy.

[marine224a1]

imagine how the drivers that cause the accidents must feel when they found out they inadvertantly just killed one of their own....just wow...

[zzzgdap]

The marshall got decapitated.

[deggis4]

Some crashes are like "where's the car" but this is more like "oh, there was another car...".

[innismor11]

I was at this race when Krosnoff died, in the grandstand, on the other half of the race track, so we only saw on the screen. But as soon as I saw it I just to (reasonably) fear her was deceased. There was just nothing left of his auto. I told the others we should leave, and we did. RIP, Jeff. And now RIP Dan Wheldon. Clearly Johansson's fault. No shoulder check, after slowing. You just can't slow, and then move left or right, not without being absolutely certain there's no one behind you.

[Gummerman]

3:44 - Scary to see just how close he got to hitting those marshals.

[Roadkill807]

@Gummerman He did hit and killed one of them...

[innismor11]

@Gummerman One of the marshalls was killed by a wheel that came off a car.

[mohawkman251988]

Besides Gordon Smiley and Greg Moore, I would rate this crash as one of the worst one's I've seen.

[buccs469]

@mohawkman251988 its certainly right up there...you could add russell phillips and the dave macdonald and eddie sachs crash

[mohawkman251988]

@buccs469 and Tom Pryce.

[Rollingrock991]

@mohawkman251988 You can add Dan Wheldon to that list...

[mohawkman251988]

@Rollingrock991 Wheldon's crash I think was just unfortunate and tragic and I think could've been avoided had the Indy Car Officials just not raced with that many cars at that track. Seriously? How dumb can the officials be to let that many cars race at a track the cars go well over 225 mph and close together and nothing to happen? RIP Dan Wheldon.

[Rollingrock991]

@mohawkman251988 I agree..34 Cars was a joke.

[mohawkman251988]

@Rollingrock991 In my opinion, I really love the racing and competition that the indy cars bring, but I think I speak for everyone when I say I've seen way too many deaths and injuries with these vehicles and they need to either keep the cars from going airborne once and for all, or just plain pull the plug on the series because I'd rather the drivers be alive and competing in a different series rather than dead. Especially the way Krosnoff and Wheldon both died.

[kingofrunescapepking]

6 people need to be castrated, locked into portable toilets, and set on fire.

[june372]

@kingofrunescapepking A lot of people choose to 'dislike' fatal crash videos because it seems weird to like a video of someone dying.

[kingofrunescapepking]

@june372 How about just not choosing one way or the other?

[june372]

@kingofrunescapepking Clearly, most people did that; there are 23 total likes/dislikes in almost 30,000 views...

[kingofrunescapepking]

@june372 This is true.

[Midwestern72]

Did homeboy get his legs torn off here? What was left of the cockpit looked kind of "short" if you know what I mean...

[blackeyedcheese]

@basicthuganomics "Who's Gary?" Gary Arvin was a track marshall working the event. It's hard to tell in the video, but he was struck and killed by the right front wheel of Krosnoff's car after it detached.

[Thorpe741]

@3:45 the men in white on the left behind the wall shitting themselves

[FuneralProductions]

Haha YES I DO want to see a car going like that to shit

[NBAfanDallas1]

RIP Jeff Krosnoff and the steward, who also died by Jeff's car... By the way, I've always wondered where his legs were after the crash? (No bad feelings)

[trinityzion1969]

Jeff Krosnoff died in 1996. Greg Moore died in 1999

[Spuddy0108]

Should have been red flagged immediately

[fatriani]

@Spuddy0108 if i remember right, they just called it and gave fernandez the win after this. awful wreck, only gordon smileys was worse. but yes, the marshalls should be flying the red flag with all that debris, regardless on injuries

[Polybun]

@Spuddy0108 wouldn't have made any difference

[TheAntihero6212]

Three people are morbid fucking idiots.

[TheAntihero6212]

Why didn't they red flag this race a lap earlier?

[JD3680]

he was cut in half :(

[Hlover01]

how ironic is it that greg moore was in this race and he died in a crash as well

[AstonDBS90]

Did this guy die in the same year as Greg Moore and gonzalo Rodreiguz

[TheAntihero6212]

@AstonDBS90 No, that was 1999.

[gonace]

@TheAntihero6212 No 1996 is the year..Jeff Krosnoff died when hitting the light post and a track worker where killed after being struck by Jeff Krosnoff's right wheel.

[TheAntihero6212]

@AstonDBS90 This happened in 1996.

[mohawkman251988]

Wasn't there a marshall killed a few years before this?

[jeff27ri]

A corner worker was killed as well as debris hit him

[doiwantsomerandom]

@jeff27ri no actually the car hit him on its way to the wall, you can just see it on the replay, the front tyre clips the marshalls head

[bucanuck]

15 years ago today. R.I.P. Jeff and Gary

[1v1oCODoStatus]

@bucanuck 2 people died?

[azapro911]

Somehow it's sadly ironic that as this clip starts, the last driver we see before the cameras switch to Jeff's hideous fatal accident is Greg Moore.

[altfactor]

As terrible as this crash was, it could have been worse. Two other cars could likewise have completly been blown apart.

[samacka2]

3:45 he hits an OFFICIAL

[STP43FAN1]

@erasetoimprove It does not take skill to race on the edge - once on the edge it's nothing but a technology game. THAT is what makes racing worthless. Getting the technology out and making the racing about lead changes and drivers forcing the issue by their own physical effort is what makes racing compelling.

[saerdnaininnan]

u can see the marshall getting hit by krosnoffs left tire at 3.45 .. ouch and rip both

[mattyz2004]

thats sad to see 2 people just go like that. makes me really sick in the stomach

[PYLrulz1984]

You have to wonder who the genius was that though it was smart to put catch fencing BEHIND a light pole, rather than in front of it.

[STP43FAN1]

@PYLrulz1984 Wrong question. The right question is why they do not restrict the power so these cars are less likely to fly into that fencing. The speeds they were running then - and run now - are POINTLESS.

[erasetoimprove]

@STP43FAN1 because then they'd be restricted to run below 130MPH and that would be boring. Racing is meant to be fast... and it is dangerous but that's the nature of it and everyone involved knows what they are getting into.

[STP43FAN1]

@erasetoimprove Slower speeds make racing boring? That makes NO sense. They need speeds - trap speeds or overall lap speeds - over 170 MPH at most tracks to have good racing? That is flat wrong. Racing is about lead changes, not speed. The sport misses NOTHING if speeds get restricted - it misses nothing with speeds under 190 on superspeedways or anywhere else.

[erasetoimprove]

@STP43FAN1 the drivers are there for the speed, they could care less if they're passing cars if it's only at 130MPH. You get those speeds at local half mile dirt tracks. I like everything about racing and speed is one of those things I like. 95% of the issues that caused this crash to be fatal to both driver and track workers have been addressed anyway. No telephone poles exposed and no track workers in front of fencing. Had it not been for those two factors, this wreck might not have been fatal

[erasetoimprove]

@STP43FAN1 the slower you go, the less skill it takes to drive. Racing isn't ALL about passing and lead changes, except to the casual fans who only care about pack racing and have no care for the skill involved. No race car drivers race because they're thinking "wow I can't wait to pack race!" They race because they can't wait to go fast and manhandle a car at as high of speeds as the car will handle. Anyway in 1996, as you can see, some precautions were not taken to prevent this tragedy.

[STP43FAN1]

@erasetoimprove Again, nonsense squared. It never gets easier to drive when the cars become slower; on the contrary it becomes far harder to RACE. The "skill" involved in racing where the game is technology and not lead changes is a nonexistent skill. Racers don't feel accomplishment when they outrun someone; when they pack race they know they just outfought the field - THAT is real accomplishment. Precautions for this Toronto disaster? They should have restricted the cars, period.

[erasetoimprove]

@STP43FAN1 sounds like you think the only skill involved in racing is passing. Nothing could be further from the truth.

[STP43FAN1]

@erasetoimprove No, thinking racing is about anything EXCEPT passing is completely in denial of the truth. Don't try to sell shifting, strategy, etc. because they get in the way of real racing - passing, repassing, lead changes, combat.

[erasetoimprove]

@STP43FAN1 I wasn't saying that anyway.... but you need them ALL for it to be good racing. Don't try to just sell passing, re-passing, and lead changes either... because if that was the only thing required to race, then racing would truly be just a game... like any other game. When, in fact, racing is a way of life... people don't race to entertain. They race because of everything that driving a car at high rates of speed in competition involves which is much more than passing and lead changes

[STP43FAN1]

@erasetoimprove STOP IT. Lead changes mean it's NOT a game - it's NEVER a game when you have to fight hard to lead. People race to PASS PEOPLE, not because of raw speed.

[erasetoimprove]

@STP43FAN1 anyway NASCAR, a form of racing I have watched all my life, uses the restrictor plate at its two fastest tracks. But in a survey NASCAR distributed in late 2009... 78% of the drivers said they rather have the plates taken off because they want to go fast, REALLY fast... and if that's dangerous, so be it. That's what they're there for.

[STP43FAN1]

@erasetoimprove That is nonsense squared. Taking the plates off makes it a suicide game, and they'd just gone through a decade-plus of fatalities on UN-restricted tracks. Drivers are not supposed to want to go TOO fast.

[erasetoimprove]

@STP43FAN1 not to mention it wouldn't take much skill to race at slow speeds. It takes a lot of skill to race on the edge. That's the whole point.

[10041898]

RIP