oh god. youtube wants me to start making bank off this video. too bad it's chock full of music and images that aren't mine. and i have no idea where the original project files for this thing are so i couldn't take that stuff out.
it was high school! ages ago! i've stopped bothering with capitalization on youtube comments since then!
guess it'll just have to be for the good of the people. haha.
BUT if i start making new videos of the educational sort... what should they be on? do tell.
Although Milgram's study and others like it generally can be said to offer a reliable description of the phenomenon, very little can be drawn by way of explanation. The various interpretations offered (although, if I'm wrong in this by all means correct me) have not thus far offered any explanation as to the underlying reason why some administerred the fatal volrage and why others didn't
Why you say there was no real learning? I mean it was about how obedient you can become under pressure. This tells a lot about who you really are and how tough you can be.
Milgram was studying people's overall reactions, which included conditioning. As this experiment was replicated around the world, so its results are typical of the whole world.
A meta study of all Milgram-like experiments would give better explanations.
I haven't looked at all the data, but he got the greatest obedience in apartheid South Africa.
This would corroborate the cruelty and depersonalization that Zimbardo got as a result of the severe social stratification in his experiment.
One more comment in regards to the flaw of Milgram's expirements: The social conditioning of the subjects were not factored in the test results, thus making any evidence (of inate selfish theory) proported from this expiriment dubious. Nothing was mentioned of the 40% who refused to inflicted pain. No mention of a debriefing interview on why people went one way or the other.
The post presentation of these expiriments seems skewed toward defending the "survival of the fittest theory" of people.
In any good experiment, including this one, outside factors (in this case the social conditioning you're talking about) are accounted for by proper sampling procedures. If the sample is well-taken, one subject's attributes are balanced by those of the other subjects.
"Survival of the fittest" is not relevant here. We're not talking about success and failure or survival or anything like that--just whether or not people are capable of disobedience from what's viewed as proper authority.
You do bring up a good point about the 40% who refuse to inflict pain. There's really not much information about them out there. I agree that information about those subjects would be important.
What was not mentioned is social conditioning. There's lots of insidences in real life of people not only refusing to hurt anothers but willing to sacrafice their lives for others. What makes one person willing to suffer for others & one person willing to inflict suffering on others? conditioning. ALL of these volunteers have been raised in a society where competition over & fear of others has been taught from their earliest years. With that view of your fellow person, this behavior is expected.
If "all" of the randomly sampled subjects were raised in this society, we can most likely consider this social conditioning to be, for all practical purposes, a constant among humans in general.
Thus, it does nothing to compromise the legitimacy of the study.
Great timing as there are too many people that are saying our military would NOT move against Americans. Of course, as with the Israeli pilot that refused to attack the Liberty, when you're faced with a court's marshal you tend to rethink your ethics. He actually refused twice to attack his ally before relenting due to his career and family.
I'm doing research on Milgram and this video has helped. Thank you for putting this together. With the narroration you included makes me look at cercumstances diffrently. Once again, thank you.
oh god. youtube wants me to start making bank off this video. too bad it's chock full of music and images that aren't mine. and i have no idea where the original project files for this thing are so i couldn't take that stuff out.
it was high school! ages ago! i've stopped bothering with capitalization on youtube comments since then!
guess it'll just have to be for the good of the people. haha.
BUT if i start making new videos of the educational sort... what should they be on? do tell.
neokimchi 5 months ago
Thats is an great video!! Well done =)
3865Babe 2 years ago
i hope the milgram experiment is in my exam tomorrow!!! :(
constantlyvenomous 2 years ago 2
This is really good, thanks
cornsprocket 2 years ago
You guys did a really good job on this.
shakenmae 3 years ago
This was the best video ever. : )
lavendergold 3 years ago
Although Milgram's study and others like it generally can be said to offer a reliable description of the phenomenon, very little can be drawn by way of explanation. The various interpretations offered (although, if I'm wrong in this by all means correct me) have not thus far offered any explanation as to the underlying reason why some administerred the fatal volrage and why others didn't
psych0609 3 years ago
There were those theories like the agentic state theory, but your point's pretty valid. Explanations are somewhat difficult to pinpoint.
neokimchi 3 years ago
Why you say there was no real learning? I mean it was about how obedient you can become under pressure. This tells a lot about who you really are and how tough you can be.
lawled1 3 years ago
I meant that the experiment didn't actually measure what the experimenters claimed to the subjects it measured: the effect of punishment on learning.
Of course there was plenty to be learned from the experiment's results.
neokimchi 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this clear, informational video :)
cdesireb 3 years ago
Milgram was studying people's overall reactions, which included conditioning. As this experiment was replicated around the world, so its results are typical of the whole world.
A meta study of all Milgram-like experiments would give better explanations.
I haven't looked at all the data, but he got the greatest obedience in apartheid South Africa.
This would corroborate the cruelty and depersonalization that Zimbardo got as a result of the severe social stratification in his experiment.
newbetterandhappy 3 years ago
I didn't know about the South African trials. That's really interesting.
neokimchi 3 years ago
One more comment in regards to the flaw of Milgram's expirements: The social conditioning of the subjects were not factored in the test results, thus making any evidence (of inate selfish theory) proported from this expiriment dubious. Nothing was mentioned of the 40% who refused to inflicted pain. No mention of a debriefing interview on why people went one way or the other.
The post presentation of these expiriments seems skewed toward defending the "survival of the fittest theory" of people.
Bodhi510 3 years ago
In any good experiment, including this one, outside factors (in this case the social conditioning you're talking about) are accounted for by proper sampling procedures. If the sample is well-taken, one subject's attributes are balanced by those of the other subjects.
"Survival of the fittest" is not relevant here. We're not talking about success and failure or survival or anything like that--just whether or not people are capable of disobedience from what's viewed as proper authority.
neokimchi 3 years ago
You do bring up a good point about the 40% who refuse to inflict pain. There's really not much information about them out there. I agree that information about those subjects would be important.
neokimchi 3 years ago
What was not mentioned is social conditioning. There's lots of insidences in real life of people not only refusing to hurt anothers but willing to sacrafice their lives for others. What makes one person willing to suffer for others & one person willing to inflict suffering on others? conditioning. ALL of these volunteers have been raised in a society where competition over & fear of others has been taught from their earliest years. With that view of your fellow person, this behavior is expected.
Bodhi510 3 years ago
If "all" of the randomly sampled subjects were raised in this society, we can most likely consider this social conditioning to be, for all practical purposes, a constant among humans in general.
Thus, it does nothing to compromise the legitimacy of the study.
neokimchi 3 years ago
Nice job whoever made this!
Great timing as there are too many people that are saying our military would NOT move against Americans. Of course, as with the Israeli pilot that refused to attack the Liberty, when you're faced with a court's marshal you tend to rethink your ethics. He actually refused twice to attack his ally before relenting due to his career and family.
He now, bravely, has gone public.
dstevens101 3 years ago
Good job :]
I'm learning this in my health science class.
I liked your video.
sampaguitagirl6 4 years ago
This is a great summary.
my11username 4 years ago
I'm doing research on Milgram and this video has helped. Thank you for putting this together. With the narroration you included makes me look at cercumstances diffrently. Once again, thank you.
OGGANGSTABITCH 4 years ago
Watching things like this that are different and stand out, help me remember it more clearly in the exams. Thanks guys.
DaniDoodles 4 years ago
Good job! Well worth showing - if you don't mind - to my psychology class here in Scotland.
dunholm 4 years ago
No objections here.
neokimchi 4 years ago
Nice job. It's good to see people putting up decent videos like this. Low budget and solid. Oh, and "Images Courtesy of WikiMedia" is awesome.
frankzeppelin 4 years ago
Very nicely done video. Cheesy or not, you still captured the essence of Dr. Milgram's experiment.
On a side note, Whole Wheat Bread is really amusing.
cannibalpacker 4 years ago
very professionally done :)
thumbs up
amazing experiment, don't you think?
i agree the implications of this study are overwhelming 0.0
raindown64 4 years ago
Yeah. Not a lot of people think the way Milgram did anymore.
Granted, the whole experiment's unethical enough that institutions these days would never let it fly, but still.
neokimchi 4 years ago
yup. i agree.although...
'the ends justify the means' in my opinion
raindown64 4 years ago