Australian Identity Discussion Forum - "Anglo-Saxon Identity Politics" - Prof. Andrew Fraser.

[RideoftheHerlathing]

Australia never was an Anglo-Saxon country.

GRAND LIST OF COUNTRIES THAT CAN BE CALLED ANGLO-SAXON

1) England

THE END.

[EnglandneedsYou]

@RideoftheHerlathing you say that but even England has a mix of Anglo Saxon and celitc i mean even the Norse tribes so we are a mix even Scotland and Wales and even the two Ireland's have that mix there is no such thing as 100% Anglo Saxon anymore

[cornholio119]

@RideoftheHerlathing And where exactly did most of australias white ancestors come from?

England.

Nuff said.

[165165412]

I don’t know whats wrong with intelligent Asians that overrepresented the universities and underrepresented prison population, but I know this; blacks are not inheritingly intelligent and that is a scientific fact also blacks are fond to crimes, especially strong liking to violent crimes and have other correlation of rape same goes to brown s like Latino or Muslims. Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, Korea and certain part of developed China aren’t third world though.

[KumarZimmerman08]

Whites are committing racial suicide. Multiculturalism is just a marxist word for "genocide of europeans".

[AlienFirefox]

im gettin mighty tired of people calling aussies anglo-saxons we fucking arnt anglo-saxons

we are anglo-celtic

if people want to refer to us as that and not just as australians they could atleast get it fuckin right

[Amunication]

Australian identity and culture is our accent and slang and humour (ie. Larrikinism) stressing about what makes Australian identity is a very un-Australian thing to do.

Because our Identity is our language it means that immigrants who aren't of the traditional 'race' can easily fit in, a very famous and beautiful song by the seekers called "I am Australian" perfectly encapsulates the melting pot we have in Australia I don't think anyone can listen to that song without crying it's so beautiful.

[stevie6621]

@Amunication So what makes up other cultures (races) besides their languages? Why don't they become melting pots of the world...? If its supposedly good for us then it should be for them.

[Amunication]

@stevie6621

That is what makes new world countries like Australia, NZ, USA and Canada unique we have the luxury of being melting pots, other countries such as europe suffer from the burden of having race as part of their cultural identity.

Remember culture has nothing to do with race so being against multiculturalism doesn't make you racist.

[stevie6621]

@Amunication So just because these countries were made recently they should import every race and culture that comes along with it no matter how incompatible and backwards it may be? You are very mistaken about race and culture cause without western Europeans there wouldn't be western civilization as we know it. Being a "melting pot" of races/cultures has come at a price of new laws which make certain things illegal to even say. I think that's a luxury we could of avoided.

[Amunication]

@stevie6621

If you don't want Australia to be a melting pot the only other option would be a multicultural Australia where everyone is seperated into tribes, I don't think that is a very good idea.

[stevie6621]

@Amunication Multiculturalism which really means multiracialism has created this very problem in the first place. Getting rid of our immigration restriction act was the biggest mistake ever.

[Amunication]

@stevie6621

If multiculturalism was meant to be multiracialism it would have been called multiracialism in the first place, cultures are ideas, languages, religions, traditions they have nothing to do with race I know this because I see proof of it here in Australia every time I hear an asian or other minority speaking in Australian accents and using Australian slang our language is our culture.

It's better for minorities to assimilate rather than live in multicultural ghettos.

[stevie6621]

@Amunication How can culture exist without the group of people (race/ethnicity) that made it? How can you expect black Africans to carry on western culture? Speaking with an accent does make an entire culture. Multiculturalism today is code word for multiracialism. If by assimilating you mean racially mix then no thanks. Stopping immigration and repatriating recent arrivals is better. These enclaves of Muslims, Asians, etc are thanks to our policy on immigration. That's where the problem is.

[stevie6621]

@stevie6621 I was supposed to say *does not* make an entire culture. You should look up what culture is...its far more then just a language.

[Amunication]

@stevie6621

I meant our language is our identity or at least a significant part of it, and minorities aren't going anywhere so it's better they assimilate rather then live in multicultural ghettos.

And I know people often mean multiracialism when they say multiculturalism but we need to stop them miss using the word in the interest of truth.

[EnglishEthnicPride2]

The English created the USA, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. They were a majority of the population in all of these countries until recently.

The problem with the English is that they are to liberal. They permitted immigrants from all over the world to take over their lands.

The English (both in England and the English Diaspora) need an authentic English nationalist movement.

[invictussingh]

@EnglishEthnicPride2 -> Where have you been ET which planet. English went out and annexed other's territories plundered them killed natives destroyed cilivisations looted countries and brought that loot back to the crown.

How about all the natives to re-claim Australia, Canada, Amerca and New Zealand and shove every english into her majesty's arse.

[gil435345345345]

Where does Professor Fraser teach?

[Romannelli1]

Apart from a handful of commentators on here the majority of posters are so uneducated I sit here writing this laughing my arse off. Some clearly have absolutely any idea of English History. They just spout pure unadulterated racist pig ignorant comments......well that's jealousy for you.

Remember, you bog trotters/tartan toss pots and other illiterate arseholes, to be born ENGLISH is to have won the lottery of life!!

[skar12]

The celts are an insecured bunch who have jhardly contributed anything to the humankind apart from perpatrating racism. I dont know how u filthy pigs even connect urself to anglo-saxons.

[Caledonia62]

@skar12 Because you f*cking raped us, stole our lands, RIPPED out our language (Gaelic) and exported us, you cunt.

You're lucky if any one of us speaks on any f*cking English's behalf.

And by the way, when was the last 'real' English invention? If you shoved up your English a** every Scottish invention compared to the English, your ass would be burning for a year, which most of you English fags would enjoy.

[LeDratt]

What he's saying might be true. Africans may have lower IQ and may be more criminally inclined, on average. However, the African migrants who come to Australia (many of whom are university educated) are far from average. On the other hand, the convict descendent Anglo Gaelic Australians are some of the most unintelligent, incompetent, lazy people on earth. That's why it's so easy for hardworking skilled migrants from Europe, Asia or India to be successful in Australia.

[Celtic450]

@LeDratt Thats bullshit. Its bullshit because like everywhere else where you have the local population and a LARGE immigration population - the immigrants like to run the locals down. Australians work the longest hours in the world. Why?? Because we have had mass immigration that requires everyone to work harder and longer to maintain the same standard of living. FUCK U Wanker.

[savita1926]

@LeDratt

Yes the anglo -Sexon pig are run to Kill Indian Migrants in Australia. That tradition came from England and continues today.

[2700giovanni]

listen i understand what he is saying hes,.. not saying that every black person is stupid hes saying that once they settle in they willstart resenting the whites then the jews will come in start to fight for their civil rights many come negativley charged,..and they disrupt the sanctity of the white culture.Australia doesnt have to be like the United states where the jews use the minorities to enslave the whites and set up the babylonian state.

[WarriorCrimson]

Wait a minute...

Prof A Fraser specialisation is Law. Not exactly sure what that has to do with National Identity, nor am i sure how someone who could as easily be as well read as anyone could be called an "authority" in one field even though they lack the relevent specialised education, such as in this case a degree or doctorate in sociology with a specialisation on demography.

Something Prof A Fraser doesn't have, making his opinion as about valid as a News-Agents wife.

Crimson

[slayyyyn]

the time of the white man is over and the time of the brown man has just begun.

[gbyrne]

This man talk utter non- sense",London has been ethically cleansed of the English" is just not true.Although there are to many foreigners in London,s

73% a still indigenous English. He talks like a hatefull French man.

[savita1926]

@gbyrne

Why blame French when you are in trouble. YOu fucking australian do not have balls at all. YOu hate you native population and pushed them in the outback.

[grobo11]

I think we should cut down on immigration. Anglo Saxons have become a minority in their own country (England) and even the celts (Scotland, Ireland and Wales).

[quazarstar12]

There no such a thing as Anglo-sexon minory or your country. You guys conquored the other land and allmost wiped out the natives, like you did in U.S.A.

Also In the history of tribes, Anglo-Sexon are one the wort one in commiting crime.

Last 300 years of Horrable crime and including the last wars started by Germanic people. Anglo -Sexon were of germanic tribes, how invaded England and displaced celtic prople. No wonder of criminals would fight eachother later in two world wars.

[grobo11]

I could make no sense in the last section of your comment please take care in spelling and grammar so comments can be easily understood in the future. The English never invaded the USA it was the British, and so what if we have been in a lot of wars for the past 300years so were many other European countries however, that does not mean our culture and land which we built it on should be stolen from us.

[savita1926]

English did came to U.S.A and it was invation and dominated the U.S.A, later you suppressed you own people and George Washington revolted and threw out the british/english or Anglo-sexon, what ever you want to call them. Just you your information "English" word comes from Germanic tribal word "Angel". England = "Land of Angles" or something like that. So English are a anglo-sexon tribes who dominated england, by culture and ethnic clensing.

[crazyedy29]

What Fraiser says is right but its nothing new its good he says it though. I think we need to declare what we are as Ozy Natos. Abos were the first people here and have a right to be here, They deserve there ethnic self determination like any other races, just as we Anglo-celts deserve our right to maintain our homeland Australia, our Britain in the southern seas just as we have always known it WHITE. Allso APP drop the anti islamic stuff we are not britain our concern is asianisation

[savita1926]

Ok about Islam, The reason britian has muslim population is because India, Pakistan and Bangladesh was british colonies. This is same in entire europe, France have issue with Algerian(French colony), German have issue with Turks(also Muslim country). So europe is stuck with Islam, I guess it was europes bad "karma" finally getting to them.

I Australian behaves bad, they will have the same fate.

[Zobree]

Last 100 years? What about 300 years ago when the Indegenous populations ruled the land until the savage Anglo-Saxons oppressed, raped, and murdered them?

[Slegarthoth]

Many Aboriginal women and children bodies buried before white man came to Australia, have been found to have broken bones and caved in skulls, which could only have been done by male members of their tribes.

The noble savage is a left wing myth.

[Zobree]

Regardless of whether or not this is true, does this mean that it is okay to kill them?

Why do you feel sympathy for Aboriginal women and children if you are sanctioning their deaths?

[Slegarthoth]

Where did I say it is okay to kill them? Are you crazy?

[Zobree]

So are you admitting that it was wrong for the Whites to commit genocide and steal their land?

If so, then why can't you at least give them reparations?

[Slegarthoth]

They are given reparations every day.

They don't have to work and are paid to sniff petrol, take drugs, drink booze and rape and beat their children.

They get all of their housing and medical paid for. They get free university and automatic entry, no matter how bad their scores. They have 14% of all land in Australia and are getting more all the time. The get affirmative action on housing and all government jobs.

Admit it. You're one of those white hating leftists aren't you?

[Zobree]

I don't live in Australia so I cannot guarantee that your facts are valid.

However, I am aware that the Aboriginal people still have yet to be paid 1 billion for the Stolen Generation.

Just think about the position the White people put the Aboriginal people:

1) Their ancestors were killed off

2) The society in which they lived in contained media messages that systematically created an anti-Aboriginal environment. Newspapers, TV, books...everything was used to dehumanize them.

[crazyedy29]

Any children white or black who the state felt were not getting or were at risk of not getting there full rights to education, healthy foods, safe drinking water, non abusive or non alcoholic parents were taken into state custody and placed either with foster families or state homes. The fact that half a century ago the majority of these kids were half cast abos is because full blooded aboriginals were under a different federal agency where normal laws did not apply and in sum parts still dosent

[Zobree]

3) Because they were seen as subhumans, they were cut off from their cultural roots; a cultural genocide as one could call it.

If you and your family were put in such terrible economic and social conditions in an environment where everyone stood against you, why shouldn't you be given reparations? Why shouldn't you be paid by society?

Reparations are there to EQUALIZE people and undo existing damage, not give advantages to certain people.

[Slegarthoth]

Google:

"Violence the way of traditional life"

"The particularly high level of violence against women in pre-contact Aboriginal Australia can no longer be denied. First-contact explorers and colonists noted with distress the terrible scars and bruises that marked the women due to the frequent brutality of their menfolk."

[Slegarthoth]

If you don't live in Australia then you don't know enough to lecture anyone on the subject.

Personally I think the Aboriginals need to be left alone and given no more "sit down money", so they have to work like everyone else, or live off their lands.

[theheretic999]

i disagree, im sick of hearing about them. we should force the kids to go to school, every single one of them, and punnish parents with fines if they dont comply. if they still dont send their kids to school then docs needs to intervene.

[Slegarthoth]

The problem is these kids aren't cut out to go to school. For 40,000 years+ they have been roaming the bush and living the lives of hunter gatherers. Now paternalistic whites expect them to act and think like white people.

That is just as cruel as telling white kids they must compete with African blacks in the 100m sprint, when we know full well they could never succeed.

[theheretic999]

humans are all basically the same mate, there isnt much difference between races. they might not be as smart and as able to succeed in school as white people but the'd be pretty close to it.

if increasing their quality of life/life expectancy is the aim then making them go to school is THE solution. if thats not the aim then fine, i dont really give a sh1t, they can keep living how they are, its fine by me, but im just sick of hearing how worse off they are than other australians.

[Slegarthoth]

>humans are all basically the same mate,

I'm sure you believe that, because that's what you have been told all your life at school, in newspapers and on television.

Believing that all peoples are the same, is Marxist thinking, which is politics, not science.

If you are curious, have a look at the comments on these books at Amazon:

The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life

The Global Bell Curve: Race, IQ, and Inequality Worldwide

[theheretic999]

i was speaking with regard to evolution mate. evolutionary speaking all the races ARE basically the same. aboriginals are capable of being educated and contributing to society.

they are obviously not clones and i never said they were. i accept that different races are smarter than others, its pretty obvious looking around the world.

[Slegarthoth]

That's not what the research shows. If your IQ is below a certain point, innovative programs and huge spending, isn't going to make a difference.

For the most part, they can be taught outdoor skills like you'd use on a farm. But can they sit in an office all day and do higher maths or write reports? That's nothing but leftist pipe dreams.

These books tell the story.

The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life

The Global Bell Curve: Race, IQ, and Inequality Worldwide

[bettertobealive]

" was speaking with regard to evolution mate. evolutionary speaking all the races ARE basically the same."

Wrong, do you think evolution happened universally and sequentially around the globe? No, europeans developed white skin because it's beneficial in cooler climates.

Even small changes in variables can effect human evolution in a vast way.

[KavAMaN2006]

your the one being paternalistic lmao hese kids aren't cut out to go to school' hahahaha oh lord

[Slegarthoth]

As for the stolen generation, some people say that is bogus, because there is not one shred of evidence of any government policy, that promoted the stealing of their children.

The stories I have read say children were taken by missionaries/police, because they were ill treated by their parents, or because their parents brought them in.

Today some people are calling for the same thing again, because the children in the blacks only communities, are riddled with venereal disease.

[theaccempire]

you do realize that if tried to reason with an aboriginal and sypathize their cause they would just beat you to death and take you money.

[theaccempire]

my bad, that was for zorby.

[KavAMaN2006]

bahahahaahahahahahahaha.....do the hide under our beds when we turn off the lights too

[savita1926]

You are correct, my friend, I have studies American history and same thing happened to Native American. They were almost wiped out. They were pushed down to the reservation in mountains. Their land was taken from them, their agricultural skill and top pf that, they forced to have their childrens an Anglo-Sexon name and they had to give their Native American name.

[savita1926]

Well, it is interesting what you are saying in this post.

American natives in U.S.A are also in same situation where they were confined to reservation and drug use and Alcohol was widely use.

Why do blame natives, Anglo -Sexon came and striped them of their identity and drug loard hook them up on drugs.

This is called an ethnic cleansing.

[savita1926]

Yes, I agree with you, these Anglo-Sexon have bad history starting from England, they first opressed white tribes such as Celtic, Scottish, Welch etc. Actualy Welch means foreigner in old english, Welch became foreigner on their own land and they were driven on country side and became peasent class, while Anglo-Sexon became ruling class.

Their Barbarity is well know in Asia, Africa, North America. Simply horrable.

[grobo11]

The Celts (Scotts, Welsh and Irish) were foreigners in the British isles as well. The British isles were first inhabited by the Iberians (what we now call the Spanish, Italian etc.) The Celts invaded in around 500bc and drove the Iberians further south, interbred with them or even killed them and destroyed their culture. The Celts are no better. Furthermore it was the British who invaded America not the English learn the difference please.

[savita1926]

Wrong, you are trying to put the cover on the english. The power in Britain in ruling class and they were english. Even in U.S.A, the Iris(Celts) were discriminated by white anglo-sexons, the restaurants would have label that said " Irish and dogs are not allowed",

They also dicriminated french in Canada and that is the reason qubec wanted to breakaway forn Canada. Even until now Irish republican ary would help plestainians, why would that be because of Barbaric English mentality.

[Tiwaz81]

bollocks. The ruling class were thrust upon us by the Normans. (Franco -Danish). Even today, they mostly are of Norman desent. The "British Army" through out this period was about 30% Irish. IRA might sell weapons to the palestinians, but thats for profit not support.

[savita1926]

Bullshit, I am giving the Anglo-sexon barbarism all around not just in australia. Even in India where I am from. Yes, Iris make the British army, why not, ruling class do not fight. That does not surprise me. Even in front line in Iraq, most of the fighting force proportinaly higher of Hispanic and black american. Anglo-Sexon did utilize Indian army to fight agaist German and never gave them credit. In world war 2, 400,000 Indian arm force died supporting british all over the world.

[Tiwaz81]

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. British army is predominantly white. Mostly English, high proportion of Scots. Not so many Irish these days. RULING CLASSES always fight you fool. That is their fisrt duty. Proof you know fuck all about what your talking about. The English have always made up the majority of the army, though irish were overrepresented between 1800 1850. this is more linked to poverty in Ireland than anything.

[Celtic450]

@grobo11 u are so fucking full of shit. The Genetics show most of the people have been there since the last ICE AGE. The Iberians came from along the coast of the mediterranean

[grobo11]

@Celtic450 What are talking about you fail?

[Tiwaz81]

Hardley. Celts, were not oppresed. They fled, to Wales. Those that were left after the Romans had subjegated them and then abandoned them. Scottish. More than capable of defending themselves, frequently didnt. Only UNIFIED by THEIR king becoming the king of England also. Anglo Saxons were a single ethnic group, they had their own peasents, warriors and eorls. The Welsh retained their own kings, princes, ruling class in their country. Infact, a the Tudors were fom a WELSH line of kings.

[savita1926]

Yes, they were, no matter how English Butter you may put to coverup, that will not change history. This is from scienticfic facts and that why I get my information from. This is written in history books. Ofcouse you of Anglo-sexon lineage will defend, that is perfecly fine with me but that does not change the historic fact and barbarity.

[Tiwaz81]

scientific facts. in history books. I am not of anglo sexon lineage. Anglo SAXON. maybe. Though as they ceased to exist properly as a people about 1000 year ago its hard for me to be 100% certain. I do know I have at least two Irish ancestors in the family, bout 80 years back and 150 years back. These history books werent written by radical ant english historians were they? by any chance.

[Celtic450]

@Zobree ? Raped and murdered? You mean the ASIAN diseases of small pox and influenza wiped them out.

[Tiwaz81]

Id be interested to know in which ctys un the UK anglo saxons/English have been ethnically purged... even in the worst ethnic citys, like Bradford, Oldham they still make up 70% of the population.... likewise even london 60% is white and British.

Its just most of them have moved away from the areas where lots of Asians (muslims) live.

[Slegarthoth]

Tiwaz81

They call it white flight. Luton is another city that is being taken over by Muslims.

Youtbe:

Luton Riots

to find out what a mess that is.

[savita1926]

You are correct, this anglo idiot do not know their own country. The english went to country side becuse they do not want to live with immigrant. They hate somaly, Pakistanis, Bangladeshi, West Indians, Indians etc.

English brought this for cheap labor and now they are abandoning them, bunch of racist bastards.

[Tiwaz81]

The english? the same crap happens in EVERY city in both the UK and the wold group moves in, poor as fuck. They bring with them crime and dirt. The wealthier natives move out, more of their own move in. I don't know any one who hates indians, west indians, irish, jews or poles. All these groups are considered contributers to the system. Pakistanis, Somalis, Romanians and Albanians, people hate them due to the crime, violence and bigotry associated with them. deserved or not is open to debate.

[savita1926]

The reason they came to Britian is because you guys fucked up their country, as english left any country alone, no, you have fucked up allmost fucked up every country.

Even now you are fucking up Afghanistan and Iraq. You do not even take refuges, sweden is kind enough to take refugies.

You guys can break think but can not fix stuff.

[Tiwaz81]

Yes India was was SOOOOO better off as a third world shit hole, run by a fuedal caste system, burning its women. Railways, Education (which you havent had the advantage of), Medicine, Justice Law and Democracy. Sorry to inflict those things on you.

[savita1926]

Still all this things yhou are saying was writting by by english and english intelectual to justify british rule. They even cooked up the Aryan invation theory to legitimize British rule. Whole Idea was devide and rule and that is what they have doen all over the world.

Chruchhill was of opinion that democracy can not funtion in India, he hoped and thought that democracy would fail in India. That is not true at all.

India had 50 years of Democracy or people's rule.

[Tiwaz81]

British actually. And some European. Aryan nonsence was invented in Germany by Hitler and his propganda. WE know real Ayrans were asian. Yes 50 years of democracy well done. Installed and modelled on the British system. Divde india. We unified it from a set of squabbling princes.

[Celtic450]

@savita1926 India is a stinking open sewer where shrouded starving staring masses wander in search of food and soap.

[savita1926]

@Celtic450 Well English fucked up al;l the society all over the world and even your you call celtic. They even fucked fucked you up and confined Iris to Ghettos.

[savita1926]

@Tiwaz81 you gredy government brought muslims from Asia for cheap labor and

you guys trained them to fight them against russians in 1980. Well now it is bloiwback, you guys trained Al quida in 1980 to fight russains and now you killing them in Pakistan.

English are mother fucker as allways. Never leave pooor people alone and allways exploit them.

[pscucailin]

Australia never was an Anglo-Saxon nation. What about the Irish???

[saacson]

Australia is an Anglo-saxon nation culturally. The Laws, systems, language, government and education stems primarily from the anglo-saxons. The Irish make up about 9% of the Australian people, they Didint influence us as much as the British did. The Irish have been abosorbed by the British Australians.

[pscucailin]

Oh stop being dense. Anybody whose ancestry is fourth generation or more is part Irish. Ireland was part of Britain for most of the period that is relevant here, so they influenced as a part of Britain, and hugely. From the consequences of the catholic emancipation act in 1837 to the effect of 1916 rebellion on the conscription debate. Any Irishman born before 1949 can claim similar immigration rights to anyone else from Britain. So our laws and systems owe greatly to the Irish as a part of Brit

[pscucailin]

As to our language, it is English, but than so is the language of Ireland nowadays, and the Irish have contributed to our accent and slang, maybe not as much as cockneys did, but still a distant second before any other part of Britain. As for Christianity, it was the Irish that converted pagan England, and the Christianity is at the core of almost all our laws and systems. As for education, the whole catholic school system in Australia was built by expatriate Irishmen in the late 19th century.

[pscucailin]

The Labor party was for more than half a century really the Irish party with a few protestant workingmen as well. Our sports culture has the Irish square at the foundation of every sport apart from soccer, and with the most successful clubs in Randwick, South Sydney and Collingwood.

And what is this nonsense about the Irish being absorbed? Are you an outsider or immigrant? Sure the days of protestant and catholic gangs are in the past, but you really have no clue about the subtleties of Austral

[pscucailin]

So in conclusion, people who assert that Australia is an Anglo-Saxon country are either immigrants who are so ignorant that they only see white people, dumarses, or fringe political parties composed of such persons, whether they be communists or fascists.

The sad part is that most Australians probably agree with many nationalist policies, but these nationalist parties do not know who Australians are, and ideologically they are trapped in a completely differ era.

[saacson]

So if Australia is not Anglo-Saxon what is it? Is it Irish? Gaelic? Anglo-celtic?

[savita1926]

They are mixture, they only bent their ass to English queen out of inferirority complex.

[saacson]

We Australians still have a nation unlike you lot, we still accept our British (not English) Heritage. Our consitution still protects our rights while yours is being erroded by socialists and jews. The founding fathers of America where proud anglo-saxons, the same stock as our founding fathers who irrigated deserts, bulit civilisations out of the wilderness and educated & fed the locals because of their strong Christian ethos. If you hate Anglo-Saxons you have no right to be in America!

[savita1926]

Well you have racist heritage and no one be proud of, even your own son and daughter my friend.

There are lot of American that not Anglo-Sexon and they are just normal people without any racist idiology and it is winning now. Look now, we have black president. When will Australian have back or aboriginal president, I do not think so. It is in your mind set that black not rule, you showed them in country side with kengaroos.

[Tiwaz81]

I have racist heritage. Yet you seem to spout more racist clap trap than your bog standard nazi goon. Im, British mate. Not Aussie. You education letting you down again? guess those siene books of yours don't teach geography eh. No Americans are anglo SAXON. they are too intemingled. And some of the worst americans to have existed have come from non Anglo Saxon backgrounds

[savita1926]

Australia was founded by british to send the criminal that british can not handle. They just threw criminal there. To my surprise, Australian still bow to queen, fucking idiots.

Even just just read that English send some 200,000 kid they could not support between 1940 thru 1960 to Autralia and thos kid ended up as a labourer and some of even molested. Now Australian government and English government apologies them.

Just the criminal history is just non stop.

[Tiwaz81]

Criminals were only about 20 000. A tiny number, and many of them were entitled to return to the UK after their sentance. 200 000 kids WERE sent to Australia. Very bad. However, many had a better life out of it. and your statement provides no figures regarding how many may have been abused ect.

[pscucailin]

@savita1926 actually no Savita, you are extremely ignorant. Australia was founded by a mixture of Irish patriots and victims of the emerging British class system. Real violent criminals were hung. Furthermore the greatest part by far of the Australian population were enterprising pioneering free settlers seeking a fortune and making a great nation.

Do not comment on things that you have little knowledge about.

[pscucailin]

As to your comment against the stolen generation, again you display your ignorance. No they were not molested, they were educated into Australian society, the reasoning being that they would have a fair go at life, rather than end up starving to death in the desert or being shot in retribution.

So again you display your ignorance. The apology was for the fact that despite the good that educating the aborigines did do, it did a greater evil in removal from family.

[savita1926]

Never heard any pioneering thingh about Australian. I have heard horrible story about Australia, scary. The land populated by criminals that British could not handle and they wanted them put away as far as possible.

[Tiwaz81]

Ill explain this slowly. Only 20 000 criminals were sent to Oz. alot of them died. Most of the immigrants in Aus were volunteers who set out by themselves. We actually sent MORE criminals to he USA and caribean. You don't know this as you have read bias crap science books written by Racist hindu/muslim extremists. Not historians.

[pscucailin]

@savita1926 Well mate if you have not heard about Australia's pioneering heritage, I am telling you that you do not know much about Australian history. The people/places that have informed you to this point are driven by malice and hatred. Go and learn it for yourself.

[savita1926]

Well that is what I learned from Historian that Australia was prison camp, this is typical os British to do that. They did that in India and other colonies. Remember they put away Nepolian on an Island also.

Yes, as Aussie/English pride you can defend your self, that does not change the fact.

Well, what ever, but you allways have chance to built a good country and I hope you do that and learn from past. Treat the people you have the with respect.

[pscucailin]

@savita1926 Well the historian was dodgy. The first colony was of prisoners of mostly minor crimes, but the greater part of the Australian population came from 1848 onwards from folk chasing the gold rush, pioneering stock.

I do not need to defend anything, because the simple fact is,that Australian convicts made a far better country and nation than whatever shit heap you immigrated from. Ponder that for a moment

[gunzblazin108]

@pscucailin

"Australian convicts made a far better country and nation than whatever shit heap you immigrated from"

Keep in mind, Australia is rich because they'r selling natural resources from the land to China and reaping the rewards. Resources which belong to Aborigonals?

So no need to gloate about how good of ability convicts have of stealing from others and keeping the money for themshelves.. learn about ur country n history n ponder to yourself..

cheers.. ;)

[pscucailin]

Australia has been traditionally rich by exporting natural resources from Australia. These resources did not belong to the aborigines, they belong to whoever exploits them. The aborigines could not even develop a social hierachy, let alone mine. The aborigines did not even have a concept of land ownership. Therefore it is impossible to say that anything on the Australian continent belongs to them.

I know my history far better than some troll.

[gunzblazin108]

These resources did not belong to aboriginies? So if I were to sneak into your house, steal everything..n say it belongs to me since you didn't have proper security placed, would that be justified? Aboriginals DID have land ownership.. the Whites didn't recognise it? Its called "Terra Nullis" meaning 'Land belonging to no one",considering aboriginals lived here over 60,000 years.

The english came here because their country was full of poverty and too many criminals. ;) ponder that history buddy

[pscucailin]

We never stole anything. The aborigines had no hierachy or concept of ownership.

Tell me something I do not know. Though of cause you are greatly ignorant of the Irish component.

And they made a better country than the shithole that the immigrants come from. That is the point that needs to be pondered. Honestly, learn about Australian history before you just repeat everything that I have already written.

[gunzblazin108]

Once again, learn about "Terra Nullis", do you know what that concept means? :) Aboriginals had their own concept of living, its just the English didn't recognize them as humans. English didn't accept Irish in Australia at the start either, until they had a common enemy in new arrivals Greeks/Italians. England got 2 over crowded, full of poverty and crime, they dumped their criminals here. Is that the 'shithole that immigrants come from' ur refering 2? Ponder tht my irish component buddy ;)..

[pscucailin]

Firstly I know what terra nullius is and its precise etymology. Literally terra means land and nullius is the genitive case of noone. I daresay that you do not understand latin or something because what you wrote is "land to/for/by/with/in/on/from noone" which is completely different.

The English recognised aborigines as humans legally, so you are completely wrong there. You need some lessons in early Australian law.

[gunzblazin108]

English recognised Aboriginies as humans only recently, when they decided to include them in the census. Thats like me entering ur home, pushing u in2 the corner of a basement, eating what u have left in the large fridge.. n calling the home my home becos i can decorate the home better? all this, when clearly i come from somewhere else n i don't belong in ur home? i invade ur home only becos my home got nasty n unlivable? Ponder that my non essential uni corse buddy.. :)

[pscucailin]

What is this shit that English did not accept Irish? The Irish had been in Australia in large numbers since 1798 and had the same rights as any other Briton in Australia. Are you referring to sectarianism?

Greeks and Italians have never had anything to do with Irish/British relations in Australia. Sounds like some new pinko arts degree rubbish that they probably teach in non-essential uni courses.

[pscucailin]

No Britain(not just England) went through a rapid change from an agricultural society into an industrial society.

With this came a rapid surge of population, changing living conditions and actually reduced amount of poverty. However they applied a justice better suited for an agricultural society on an industrial society, and thus many of the English convicts were just victims of the emerging class system, sentenced here for stuff that would get them a fine nowadays.

[pscucailin]

It was seen as a means of building an empire. FTR Britain was probably the most powerful nation after the fall of Napoleon and definitely the most prosperous. Hardly an unstable shithole.

Which is all besides the point that the vast majority of Australians came following the mining boom and were not convicts.

I think you really have been taught to hate the British and Irish races which is sad because your arguments are basically ignorance masquerading as informed dialectic to fools.

[gunzblazin108]

'Many of English convicts were victims'? Well, I can make excuses for tons of countries and their crime and poverty. Victims or not, the English fucked up in their country so they immigrated to Australia. The English had lot of violence and clashes with Irish.. eventually they found common ground when new arrivals of Greeks/Italians came. No, I don't hate English, where did Irish come in2 this? They'r no diffirent to other races on the first fleet who came with English? :)

[pscucailin]

No, they were quite literally victims of a legal system that was totally unsuited for the type of society that they lived in, and conviction was a mechanism of maintaining British class society.

The British were not fucked up at this point. That is extreme ignorance. They were probably the most powerful country and definitely the most prosperous.

[pscucailin]

As for the Irish, wtf are you referring to? Sectarianism? The only violent clash between Irish and British was in 1807 in Castle Hill. You know absolutely zero about Anglo-Irish relations in Australia if you think that the immigration of Italians and Greeks made any difference to anything. That is the most retarded excuse for an argument that I have ever heard. It has absolutely 0 substance and reality to fact.

[gunzblazin108]

Nation whose jails were too full because people stole bread and underwear, can't be too prosperous I'd imagine? lol.. this despite the fact that English Empire invaded many lands and stole, they still ended up having too many criminals stealing underwear and bread? English blew into every nation trying to take over, they'r the last to complain about immigration? lol, most aussies are descendents of English convicts who left the 'shit hole' n sent to Australia for better life, ponder that ;)

[pscucailin]

You just lost every argument and now you are just trolling me. Suit yourself.

[gunzblazin108]

Im not here to 'win arguments' .. was just replying to ur comment about "Australia is a better nation than the shithole immigratant nation you came from'.. i thought u ment England as the 'shit hole' immigrant nation most Aussies come from... so I was defending English and Aussie ppl... nothing 2 do with winning arguments... have a gud day.. ;)

[pscucailin]

well you thought wrong troll. Learn the English language maybe before you do anymore thinking.

[Celtic450]

@gunzblazin108 U don't know shit sherlock. Most Aussies came in the 19th century and built the place because they were sick of smartarses like you in Europe. Now we have a bunch of leeches who have been immigrating since the 1940s.

[Celtic450]

@gunzblazin108 Aborigines should take it up with the English in London.

[saacson]

The Irish Patriots mixed in and became Australian (Anglo-celtic) over time and forgot their sectarian hatred, unlike many plastic paddys in America.

[pscucailin]

@saacson That can be as easily said of the English immigrants.

Australia is a British creation. That is, a creation of the people of Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England, all playing a unique role.

Perhaps you are forgeting history, the sectarian hatred came from an aggressive English and Scotish protestancy.

[saacson]

@pscucailin I agree sectartan hatred comes from all British people however it is the most rampant among Irish and wannabe Irish people.

I have Irish heritage and i love irish culture however many of the Irish still have issues with thier brothers across the water, alot more than the other way round.

Sectarian hatred began due to the threat of Catholicism and the Irish bore the brunt of it however in the latter years they migrated and became apart of Britian and her colonies.

[pscucailin]

@saacson True, there needs to be reconciliation between Britain and Ireland.

That is the basis of the ideological foundations of a renaissance of the British race.

[saacson]

Christianity is another story Britain was the first christian nation under king Lucius in around 170ad this christianity is refered to as being Celtic Christianity. St Patrick Coverted most of Ireland and he was a Scot from Bonnaven he was not a catholic but a presbyter. I do know that later on The Irish then started converting the saxons in Britain and some of mainland europe before roman catholicism came to power. I will be making a video on the subject.

[saacson]

Clearly you are proud of your Irish Heritage as am i, the Irish did do alot for the Australian Character. Australia is recognised as being "Anglo-Saxon" due to our founders Eg Captain Cook. I would regard Australia's origins as being Anglo-celtic because All the brits (inc Irish) had their part in establishing this great nation. The Irish did not have influential positions in the establishment of Australia due to their Catholic religion, they were traditionally labourers.

[savita1926]

You said Irish did not influence Australian, becuse anglo-sexon are racist to begin with. As I said anglo-sexon have history where they did not mix with Iris and they were at the bottom of the chain, Get the history right.

[Tiwaz81]

Irish not mixing with the English? never heard of the the 2/3d of the country having an irish relative. Don't mention history. Your grasp of it is poor. Irish and English have mixed with each other quite frequently, fom the 1700s. regarding anglo SAXons, they did not often come into contact with Irishmen during their period (500s-1066) as the Irish were too busy fighting against themselves, the Welsh, Norse and the Picts. Iikewise the Anglo-saxons were busy fighting amongst themselves.

[savita1926]

I am not saying, that is what the history books said. There are hardy any Iris word in Old english. So they did not have much influence at all. They were driven to country side. English was language of the ruling class and Iris or celts were not counted at all.

[Tiwaz81]

The IRISH have never lived in or settled in what is now England. Your poor knowledge of history letting you down again. The WELSH were the ones driven from England. ENGLISH was the language of everybody who lived in England not the ruling class. Even in the country side they spoke english, Even the poor guy cleaning shit off the farm floor, who was English himself. That why. I dont know where you got this idea of the irish living in England before anyone else. STUDY some history.

[saacson]

Listen here you Mezito no Heritage scum. Our heritage and race is so great that we have been undesputed rulers and civilization builders since the dawn of time. I just got back from china and i was treated like a god because they want to be like us. The only true Americans are of Anglo-celtic and related european stock, you are probably some border jumper that have a big issue with how shit and filthy your people are so you have to try your hardest to make us come down to your level.

[savita1926]

If peole in China is treating you like God, then they have big issue. You are not God. And thos days will be numbered too, so not put big hope on that. I see your mentality and wannbe God, that is the problem. I do not think you will get same respect in U.S.A or any where, so go to china and be happy. Soon they will be educated and find out how scum you are. Good luck.

[cornholio119]

@saacson You tell em mate. the western world is failing because of third world trash invading our borders and breeding with our genetic pool. i live in australia and more and more foreign invaders come every year.

Send em back i say.

[grobo11]

Are you fucking mad? It was the Americans not the Anglo SAXONS that discriminated against the Irish in the UK. The UK was ruled by a German king not a English one, if you pulled your head away from the TV where British people have English accents you'd see that every race (apart from Irish unfortunately) in the UK were equal. Barbaric English mentality? Were not axe wielding maniacs were civilised just like any other race. Please take care in your spelling.

[cranyonrye]

This idea of an Anglo Celtic Identity is a myth, the Anglo Saxons and Celts are two totally different and incomparable races. We have no future together, the destiny of the Celts is full independence and self rule in GB, Europe and Australia.

[saacson]

Another stupid comment by cranyonre. The anglo-saxons and celts are from the same racial family.

This idiot said on another video that the vikings were asiatic hunns.

[crazyedy29]

why not ask andrew frazier to become a party spokesman. why arent thesguys hitting the fre talkback airways a nationalist , david oldfield old me by email that he woud be wiling to let any one on his show to express there ideas and put them to the pubic.