the hidden message of this speech--" AMERICA is a slave of the brits " .... .when the master calls slave must obey.... yet americans think they are freemen.... america may police the world but they have to report to brits....this is just my one cent worth of opinion.... peace!!!
@Einstien1879 Surely you're kidding? This wasnt even really true when Britain was at the peak of it's powers, let alone today.
The Granada intervention goes a long way to support this. At a time when the island was part of the 'British' commonwealth, the U.S. government didnt even bother to disclose it's intentions towards Granada to the U.K. government.
Sir(s): If I may, at this Date and Time, state here how I suppose that I am "a Churchill too" and how my mother was the American, but my father was a European "Looker & Flyer Homeward," and thus, I am not a "Good Politician" here. I hope I can redeem myself soon. Thank U. FROM: MR. JAMES HOWARD DAY (JR), SAN ANTONIO, BEXAR COUNTY, STATE OF TEXAS 78202 USA "Here to Stay Permanently As A Resident"
Well the US had to enter the war anyways. They could risked staying out and let the rest of the free world fall the facists communist states and be alone in the world.
Elberiver11 is neither half-Jewish nor German. He is an American neo-Nazi called Peter Aikman and he lives in California.
It is amazing that Elberiver11, who wrote that Jews are parasites on TheBritishKaiser's channel (page 7 of comments section) thinks people will fall for his bullshit.
Germany is not an occupied country and Article 139 of German Law does not give the United States power over Germany.
Elberiver11 has been caught inserting false text into Article 139 to change its meaning so that it fits his arguments.
See MSM4U2POM's channel for more details.
The correct version is given below:
"Die zur 'Befreiung des deutschen Volkes vom Nationalsozialismus und Militarismus' erlassenen Rechtsvorschriften werden von den Bestimmungen dieses Grundgesetzes nicht berührt".
OK, one: for example Mrs. Modest Forchheimer. She was 15 years old then. Aired on German TV in 1981. Which is VERY rare, because on German TV you only see American-style Garbage: Bad Germans, bad Hitler, poor Jews, good Allies.
German Media is Allied-controlled, we are an occupied country and this is why German victims DO NOT EXIST.
I am half-Jewish, i stand up for the Germans, they are good people, i know them and most people on here don't.
It's quite silly to deny this. Thousands of witness accoutns, all said the same detail: They could even see the soldiers grinning, because the planes flew so close.
And i wonder why you keep talking about DD only. It was everywhere. In DD it was especially tragic, because the Terrorbombing on this hospital-city was not made to "cover up the paratroopers", as you joked about it, but the other way round:
The planes were to mow down the few who escaped the firestorm.
You can hear Mrs. Forchheimer on Youtube, but its in German language.
Extract:
"Many people had escaped the to the banks of
the River, but my mother had done exactly that NOT, because she said, too few bushes and trees, we cannot run for cover there (...) and i am glad she did not go there, because otherwise we would not have survived. Because all the people who had escaped the Firestorm went to the banks of the river, and the planes had waited for them there and had mowed them all down".
@Elberiver11 This is garbage, even if the aircraft carried out low level boimbing (Which they did not) At the speed at which they flew there is no way that peoiple on the ground would see their faces. Also they would be be wearing oxygen masks and possibly goggles. Plus low level bombing was only carried out when there was the need for accuracy. Plus the Germans started the bombing so they can't complain.
the bombing of Dresden was to cover up the murderous paratroopers who jump into a town just to kill women & nurses for sport?
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Counter question: Is machinegunning children and women, especially when you claim to be the "good" side of war, an expression of British-american "democracy and freedom"?
Reminds me of the same "democracy" you guys are bringing to IRAQ right now.
What you call "Democracy", i call injustice, crime, torture, child-abuse, blood and murder.
Ahh... machine-gunned children & nurses in Dresden?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Was that after the Soviets were advancing into Germany there or did the English decide to parachute into Dresden prior to the its firebombing? I suppose you think the bombing of Dresden was to cover up the murderous paratroopers who jump into a town just to kill women & nurses for sport?
Ahh... machine-gunned children & nurses in Dresden?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
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oh, so you think its funny?
Wow, i wonder what you would say, if the Germans laugh about Jews being gassed!
But you dirty British racist PIG think you have the right to insult all the innocent children & women you cowards murdered, dont you?
Thank god i havent seen Germans donig that, behaving as COWARDLY as you. Laughing about children being murdered is something only the dirty British and Yankees do.
My point was to poke fun at you're ignorance. Name the source you have for British machine-gunning children & nurses. It didn't happen so don't make up something that is impossible to substantiate.
BTW, I am not British. You really need to lighten up.
Also, 'racist'? WTF? About what? Get your facts straight, man.
BTW, I am not British. You really need to lighten up.
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I dont know who you are, man. If you defend English warcrimes and support an English warcriminal on the website of an English leader, i must assume you are English.
I am apparantly not! LOL
And i dont hate the English or the Americans, but let me tell you dude, you guys really behave in such a distusting an honourless manner, you really put one to the test NOT to hate you.
Remember, it only became a world war, after the USA got dragged into war. And this was Churchill's fault.
Churchill received several peace offers from Germany, the last one in 1941 when Rudolph Hess flew to Scotland, to bring Peace. Hess was arrested and declared "mad". The world war could have ended in 1941, if England had wanted it. But Churchill wanted war.
"I love war and shattering the lives of thousands - i cant help it, i enjoy every second of it."
After Peal Harbor attack by the Imperial Japan, the US declaired war on them, but not Germany.
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The USA attacked German ships long time before Germany declared war back on them.
And do not forget: Roosevelt's illegal Lend & Lease Act was a de-facto declaration of war which put the USA into a state of war with Germany, before the Germans declared war back on you.
I think it is silly of you British people to keep on lying. Do you think we have no universities in Germany? lol Whacko.
US did target U-boats, but not 'German Ships' per say.
Lend/Lease was 'illegal'? For whom? It was a deal from US to the Soviets & Brit's. After all, by breaking the non-aggression pact with the Soviets, Germany opened up that door.
I know you have Universities in Germany! I've been there! But I have to say you were sleeping and thus dreaming if you believe British machine-gunned children & nurses in Dresden.
US did target U-boats, but not 'German Ships' per say.
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"German ships on sight".
Also, dont give me your U-boat thing. The Germans had no interest in war with the USA, it was Roosevelt and Churchill who dragged the USA into war.
Roosevelt was a Bankster...Churchill was Half. American, Mother: New Yorker Bankster....
Banksters are not intrested in you & me living in peace. Every day of peace, is loss of money for them. Wait til the USA will attack Iran, its only a question of time.
But I have to say you were sleeping and thus dreaming
-->> Dude, i am from Hessia but i know Dresden so well, when i arrived their i threw away teh city map, i didnt need it. I know DD a lot better than you do.
And you have NO clue at all , what happened there. And please stop insulting the dead, OK? You have no clue what happened in Germany in the war, and worse: AFTER the war.
I have not seen any Germans mocking the victims of 9/11, so why do you guys think you have the right to do so.
I really wonder why you keep holding on to this notion "it did not happen". Do you feel personally insulted when you have to face that american soldiers commited atrocities and crimes? Come on, I am German, i am used to a lot more slander and defamation. lol
If you are not satisfied with Mrs. Forchheimer, then try the lady i saw yesterday, forgot her name. I only remember she was the blond one with glasses, maybe 60 years old.
It's a British TV production, so not "Nazi" propaganda.
But I have to say you were sleeping and thus dreaming if you believe British machine-gunned children & nurses in Dresden.
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Sorry, i am not into discussing this with you. It's just as silly as claiming we still have to search MD-Weapons in Iraq. Everybody knows that America was lying.
This did not only happen in DD, it happened anywhere in Germany. It happened to a friend's mother when she was 17, she managed to escape into a forest, otherwise he would not be there today.
The thing with Hess was this: Crazy... the dude was wack..
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Well, that is what your country says. Hess said something else. But we all know, what to think of Britsih "honesty", hahaha!
Mate, your country is a country of LIARS, everybody knows that about the evil British.
You lied about the Lusitania (WW I), you lied about Poland (WW II), and you are waging a war RIGHT NOW, killing children again - a war that you started on pack of lies again. That's British.
It is world-wide known that you British American people lie about your history.
The Polish invasion did not cause world war, just like your IRAQ invasion is not a world war.
You dirty British-American swine invaded far more nations than anyone else. Germany had the right to return the land that Poland had stolen, but i dont think you British pigs had any business in IRAQ, had you?And yet you invaded it, you bastards.
Poland was NONE of England's business. Actually, Germany would have more right to declare war on you occupant pigs, in order to make you leave Iraq, than you ever had in messing into Polish-German affairs.
Churchill is the main culprit of both World wars. In 1915 he dragged the USA into war by deliberately sending the Lusitania, armed to its teeth , into the war zone, and in 1941 he managed the same via his fascist friend Roosevelt's "lend & lease act".
How many effective political leaders can you name with clean hands and a clear conscience? Evil does exist on this earth & war is a terrible thing but motive & intent are far apart.
"War is Hell". - Gen. William T. Sherman, US Civil War Union General
"War is inevitable" - Adolph Hitler, der Furher of the 3rd Reich - Nazi Germany.
My opinion of Winston Churchill on an American site is of no importance but you so why sweat it anyway?
I dont expect a dirty British racist like you to come up with the truth about your Allied warcrimes and Atrocities. We know well that you are liars. But at least, you should refrain from insulting all the innocent children & women you brutally murdered, while calling it "democracy".
Its funny YOU of all people dare speak of "hate"! Have you seen me making fun of people killed in the London bombings? No you havent.
It's only the British doing that, rather than feeling ashamed, they are even proud of being the world's biggest cowards and barbarians. Fucking disgusting.
You spit on the graves of innocents mate, and you dare talk to me about "Hate"? It's clear for everyone to see where the hate comes from.
I dont spit on the graves of your relatives. Be ashamed of yourself!
Iraq never a threat to the US & UK? Really? I find that hard to believe considering they were blasting SAMs at our planes patrolling the No-Fly Zones. Iraq was a leading proliferator (and recipient of) illegal arms as well as a proliferator of international terrorism. Iraq WAS actively seeking WMD tech. He DID chemical and a nascent bio weapons program but was (thankfully for our troops' sake) lacking nukes. Iraq was a major regional destabilizer, thus a clear-and-present danger post-9/11.
Just because I'm interested in the argument more than anything else but you might be interested to know that the sanctions on iraq were killing children at an incredible rate during the interim years due to lack of food and medicine. There was a moral argument to be made whereby a swift and brutal war followed by competent aid similar to the marshal plan was a better option than protracted starvation.
It is an argument I came up with while arguing your position that I don't ascribe to, one can never really believe that war is anything other than a monumental failure of diplomacy, the sanctions were just an example of that failure. (ps Saddam was a prick, I'm not delusional. Just wanted to make that clear.)
318,000 american kids killed because of this filth and his cabal. hundreds of thousand of american kids killed in the cold war because of him. 78,000 killed in ww1 because of him he is certainly roasting in hell with "unlcle" joe and the traitor roosevelt
Churchill would have made an excellent American Congressman - much better than most who actually served. It's funny to note that had Churchill been alive today and had he been in a position of power after 9/11 he, too, would have argued for preemption as Bush and Blair did regarding Iraq. And he too, would have been attacked as a warmonger as those two were. Everyone would do well to remember that when dismissing Bush and the Bush Doctrine.
Germany was not a threat to the US then. It was not bush or blair who started this war with Iraq. It was thatcher. The Brits have been killing Iraqis for a long time. They put the dumb borders in place .
Everything you have said is half right so I'll have to go through this step by step. This all goes back to ww1. It was that war which led to Britain creating modern Iraq and to Britain and America becoming allies. Britain needed to attack Iraq in WW1 to win that war. Britain and America had to attack Germany and her allies to win WW2. At the very least WW2 posed some threat to Britain and eventually to America. Iraq never posed a threat to either Britain or America since the 1920's.
Apollyon1: you seemed reasonable until that last bit about Bush and Blair having ulterior motives regarding Iraq? Please, enlighten me as to what they'd be. If you suspect oil then you're wrong. Why? America gets its oil from Saudi Arabia and Canada (you read that right). It's Western Europe (particularly France & Germany) which receive oil from Iraq, hence why they were opposed to the war.
I'm not saying that there is no justification for the war, now that it is nearly over I can take a step back and say that there were many tactical advantages for the Iraq war. Threat of force being shown to be true, taking the fight to the terrorists/insurgents, a launching post for other potential invasions, justification of military spending and R&D etc.
However not only are these reasons not the genuine ulterior motive but they do not make justification for war. The real reason for the war was simple - distraction from domestic problems one of the oldest political tricks in the book. Iraq was a very long way away from getting any WMD tech. Weapons inspectors such as Dr David Kelly were there continuously for years and did a fine job of maintaining Iraq's disarmed status.
Finally the main reason why I disagree with the war is how piss poorly managed it was always going to be. The American army has the subtly of Jerry Brukheimer film. The torture pics alone have done ten years of damage to America's reputation. The only reason why the war is coming to a successful conclusion is due to Al Qaeda's utter incompetence and little to do with an army which had not been trained to deal with the situation it created.
Tzimnewman3, judging from statements Churchill made over the course of his life, acts he took while in power, and the fact that his "unilateralist" and "warmongering" ways (a.k.a logical Preemption) were as unpopular as Bush's was, it's very logical to assume what Churchill would have done. Retard? I'm not the one who spells Churchill as "Churcheill" - lest that's a Freudian slip of some kind. In any event your statements reflect your true vacuous self.
Your the one whom is retarded speaking to me like I didn't know he was asking for war. What other way do you think the Allies would have beat the Axis??
"that's a Freudian slip of some kind."
It is, thank you for pointing it out. I must be carefeul not to make any more mistakes lest you have trouble reading it even the most simple mistake.
I presumed you would be good at English otherwise I'm sure you would have worked out that it was a mistake.
Jewish worthless puppet,thank to you England become Englandstan.What' you do with british empire slimy drunken pig?
WaffenSSMg42 3 months ago
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It's interesting to see this footage of the old House of Representatives chamber.
fryersoncaptain 4 months ago
It's interesting to see this footage of the old House of Representatives chamber.
fryersoncaptain 4 months ago
The War's over, so quit all your damn arguing. Reading these posts, it looks like a bunch of 8 year olds in a pissing contest.
libville 4 months ago
the hidden message of this speech--" AMERICA is a slave of the brits " .... .when the master calls slave must obey.... yet americans think they are freemen.... america may police the world but they have to report to brits....this is just my one cent worth of opinion.... peace!!!
Einstien1879 8 months ago
@Einstien1879 Surely you're kidding? This wasnt even really true when Britain was at the peak of it's powers, let alone today.
The Granada intervention goes a long way to support this. At a time when the island was part of the 'British' commonwealth, the U.S. government didnt even bother to disclose it's intentions towards Granada to the U.K. government.
comanchio1976 7 months ago
Someone drunk hit dislike by mistake
STOPTHEEU 8 months ago
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What a Great man
uscpathfinder 1 year ago
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how dare churchill talk about christian civilization? what a racist.
britain is a multicultural nation.
bigscolari 1 year ago
@bigscolari ye in 1941 there wasn't any ethnic minorities u spaz. they all came in the fifties . no doubt you from bradford or manchester
MrSouter2 1 month ago
Sir(s): If I may, at this Date and Time, state here how I suppose that I am "a Churchill too" and how my mother was the American, but my father was a European "Looker & Flyer Homeward," and thus, I am not a "Good Politician" here. I hope I can redeem myself soon. Thank U. FROM: MR. JAMES HOWARD DAY (JR), SAN ANTONIO, BEXAR COUNTY, STATE OF TEXAS 78202 USA "Here to Stay Permanently As A Resident"
torstvillinger 1 year ago
Sir(s): If I may, at this Date and Time, state here how I reflect on the similarities between me and Sir Walter Raleigh. Thank you.
torstvillinger 1 year ago
Jesus..This man could give a speech like few in history...What an incredible man.
thurin68 1 year ago 18
I truly admire PM Churchill.
PlanetHaiz 1 year ago 18
Well the US had to enter the war anyways. They could risked staying out and let the rest of the free world fall the facists communist states and be alone in the world.
rday18 1 year ago
Elberiver11 is neither half-Jewish nor German. He is an American neo-Nazi called Peter Aikman and he lives in California.
It is amazing that Elberiver11, who wrote that Jews are parasites on TheBritishKaiser's channel (page 7 of comments section) thinks people will fall for his bullshit.
Germany is not an occupied country and Article 139 of German Law does not give the United States power over Germany.
Elberiver11NaziScum 1 year ago 2
Elberiver11 has been caught inserting false text into Article 139 to change its meaning so that it fits his arguments.
See MSM4U2POM's channel for more details.
The correct version is given below:
"Die zur 'Befreiung des deutschen Volkes vom Nationalsozialismus und Militarismus' erlassenen Rechtsvorschriften werden von den Bestimmungen dieses Grundgesetzes nicht berührt".
Elberiver11NaziScum 1 year ago
Its all good now.
Thanks.
the82spartans 1 year ago
You should hear the tone of her voice, when she continues:
"They had apparantly excactly waited there for them to come (...) there was NOBODY alive any more, after".
(sorry bad translation)
youtube. com /watch?v=vzJ7Z5kVE8E
Elberiver11 1 year ago
And for God's sake, calm down already.
the82spartans 1 year ago
Who told you i am not calm?
OK, one: for example Mrs. Modest Forchheimer. She was 15 years old then. Aired on German TV in 1981. Which is VERY rare, because on German TV you only see American-style Garbage: Bad Germans, bad Hitler, poor Jews, good Allies.
German Media is Allied-controlled, we are an occupied country and this is why German victims DO NOT EXIST.
I am half-Jewish, i stand up for the Germans, they are good people, i know them and most people on here don't.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
It's quite silly to deny this. Thousands of witness accoutns, all said the same detail: They could even see the soldiers grinning, because the planes flew so close.
And i wonder why you keep talking about DD only. It was everywhere. In DD it was especially tragic, because the Terrorbombing on this hospital-city was not made to "cover up the paratroopers", as you joked about it, but the other way round:
The planes were to mow down the few who escaped the firestorm.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
OK. Thousands of witness acounts, then.
Name one book that was written that gives that acounting of machine-gunning down children & nurses at Dresden.
Just one, please.
the82spartans 1 year ago
You can hear Mrs. Forchheimer on Youtube, but its in German language.
Extract:
"Many people had escaped the to the banks of
the River, but my mother had done exactly that NOT, because she said, too few bushes and trees, we cannot run for cover there (...) and i am glad she did not go there, because otherwise we would not have survived. Because all the people who had escaped the Firestorm went to the banks of the river, and the planes had waited for them there and had mowed them all down".
Elberiver11 1 year ago
@Elberiver11 This is garbage, even if the aircraft carried out low level boimbing (Which they did not) At the speed at which they flew there is no way that peoiple on the ground would see their faces. Also they would be be wearing oxygen masks and possibly goggles. Plus low level bombing was only carried out when there was the need for accuracy. Plus the Germans started the bombing so they can't complain.
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the bombing of Dresden was to cover up the murderous paratroopers who jump into a town just to kill women & nurses for sport?
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Counter question: Is machinegunning children and women, especially when you claim to be the "good" side of war, an expression of British-american "democracy and freedom"?
Reminds me of the same "democracy" you guys are bringing to IRAQ right now.
What you call "Democracy", i call injustice, crime, torture, child-abuse, blood and murder.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
"All this, only because of this fat, ugly drunken sick English madman who machine-gunned children and nurses in Dresden." - Elberiver11
Name the 'source' for you're original and absurd comment.
; )
the82spartans 1 year ago
Millions died, children were tortured, maimed and murdered, women were raped to death.
All this, only because of this fat, ugly drunken sick English madman who machinegunned children and nurses in Dresden.
This warcriminal should have been HANGED at Nuremberg 1946!
CHURCHIL = WARCRIMINAL + WICKED MASSMURDERER
Elberiver11 1 year ago
Ahh... machine-gunned children & nurses in Dresden?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Was that after the Soviets were advancing into Germany there or did the English decide to parachute into Dresden prior to the its firebombing? I suppose you think the bombing of Dresden was to cover up the murderous paratroopers who jump into a town just to kill women & nurses for sport?
Put the pipe down and please don't breed.
the82spartans 1 year ago
Ahh... machine-gunned children & nurses in Dresden?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
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oh, so you think its funny?
Wow, i wonder what you would say, if the Germans laugh about Jews being gassed!
But you dirty British racist PIG think you have the right to insult all the innocent children & women you cowards murdered, dont you?
Thank god i havent seen Germans donig that, behaving as COWARDLY as you. Laughing about children being murdered is something only the dirty British and Yankees do.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
Oh relax. Good God, Elberiver11.
My point was to poke fun at you're ignorance. Name the source you have for British machine-gunning children & nurses. It didn't happen so don't make up something that is impossible to substantiate.
BTW, I am not British. You really need to lighten up.
Also, 'racist'? WTF? About what? Get your facts straight, man.
the82spartans 1 year ago
My point was to poke fun at you're ignorance. Name the source you have for British machine-gunning children & nurses. It
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I am quite a humurous person, but do you think that spekaing about th massmurder of children is the appropriate situation to make fun?
Especially when your country (USA or UK) rule the massmedia in the world, and therefore had the power to silence about your crimes?
(i say "had", because thanks to the internet your power is gone.)
Elberiver11 1 year ago
Excuse me? Are you just a silly little boy, or are you trying to insult the graves again?
It is an undisputed historic fact, that low-flying angloamerican bombers mowed down everything that moved. Not in Dresden only, but in all of Germany.
There are thousands of sources, so how do yo mean "which source"? 'Just consult any history book!
Yesterday i saw a time witness again, describing how the planes chased her so close she could even see their faces, and she said they were grinning.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
You must then concede that no machine-gunning of children & nurses.
Bombing, yes. Machine-gunning? NO.
The laugh was directed SOLELY toward you, Eleberiver11 and that ridiculous statement.
the82spartans 1 year ago
BTW, I am not British. You really need to lighten up.
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I dont know who you are, man. If you defend English warcrimes and support an English warcriminal on the website of an English leader, i must assume you are English.
I am apparantly not! LOL
And i dont hate the English or the Americans, but let me tell you dude, you guys really behave in such a distusting an honourless manner, you really put one to the test NOT to hate you.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
Lend/Lease was 'illegal'? For whom?
-->> Ever heard of "international law", dude?
Elberiver11 1 year ago
Yes, but what has international law to do with "Lend/Lease" after Germans launched Operation Babarossa against the Soviets? Nothing. That's what.
Dude.
the82spartans 1 year ago
Get over it.
WW II is in the past.
the82spartans 1 year ago
@Elberiver11 we never machinegunned anyone in dresden you nutcase
maskaryan 8 months ago
Remember, it only became a world war, after the USA got dragged into war. And this was Churchill's fault.
Churchill received several peace offers from Germany, the last one in 1941 when Rudolph Hess flew to Scotland, to bring Peace. Hess was arrested and declared "mad". The world war could have ended in 1941, if England had wanted it. But Churchill wanted war.
"I love war and shattering the lives of thousands - i cant help it, i enjoy every second of it."
Winston Churchill in 1916
Elberiver11 1 year ago
After Peal Harbor attack by the Imperial Japan, the US declaired war on them, but not Germany.
3 days later, Adolf Hitler declaired war on the United States... against the wishes of the rest of the Nazi High Command.
The thing with Hess was this: Crazy... the dude was wack... just like his boss.
the82spartans 1 year ago
After Peal Harbor attack by the Imperial Japan, the US declaired war on them, but not Germany.
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The USA attacked German ships long time before Germany declared war back on them.
And do not forget: Roosevelt's illegal Lend & Lease Act was a de-facto declaration of war which put the USA into a state of war with Germany, before the Germans declared war back on you.
I think it is silly of you British people to keep on lying. Do you think we have no universities in Germany? lol Whacko.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
US did target U-boats, but not 'German Ships' per say.
Lend/Lease was 'illegal'? For whom? It was a deal from US to the Soviets & Brit's. After all, by breaking the non-aggression pact with the Soviets, Germany opened up that door.
I know you have Universities in Germany! I've been there! But I have to say you were sleeping and thus dreaming if you believe British machine-gunned children & nurses in Dresden.
THAT is wack.
the82spartans 1 year ago
US did target U-boats, but not 'German Ships' per say.
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"German ships on sight".
Also, dont give me your U-boat thing. The Germans had no interest in war with the USA, it was Roosevelt and Churchill who dragged the USA into war.
Roosevelt was a Bankster...Churchill was Half. American, Mother: New Yorker Bankster....
Banksters are not intrested in you & me living in peace. Every day of peace, is loss of money for them. Wait til the USA will attack Iran, its only a question of time.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
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maskaryan 7 months ago
But I have to say you were sleeping and thus dreaming
-->> Dude, i am from Hessia but i know Dresden so well, when i arrived their i threw away teh city map, i didnt need it. I know DD a lot better than you do.
And you have NO clue at all , what happened there. And please stop insulting the dead, OK? You have no clue what happened in Germany in the war, and worse: AFTER the war.
I have not seen any Germans mocking the victims of 9/11, so why do you guys think you have the right to do so.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
Again, the joke and laughter was for you, on you only.
Going on and on about machine-gunning children & nurses in Dresden.... from a high altitude level bomber no less.
That is quite a stretch, Everriver11.
the82spartans 1 year ago
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Going on and on about machine-gunning children & nurses in Dresden.... from a high altitude level bomber no less.
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LOW FLYING PLANES DO NOT HAVE HIGH ALTITUDES
Are you reading what i wrote? Many girls said,the planes flew so low they could recognize the pilots's faces!
Elberiver11 1 year ago
I really wonder why you keep holding on to this notion "it did not happen". Do you feel personally insulted when you have to face that american soldiers commited atrocities and crimes? Come on, I am German, i am used to a lot more slander and defamation. lol
If you are not satisfied with Mrs. Forchheimer, then try the lady i saw yesterday, forgot her name. I only remember she was the blond one with glasses, maybe 60 years old.
It's a British TV production, so not "Nazi" propaganda.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
Its on Youtube under "The Russians are coming", part 5 or 6, i cannot remember.
If you really want to know, you can find out without my help. When i read your website, or your words on here, you know what impression i get?
You seem to perceive war as something far away, as cool men fighting and proving their strengh, chess figures shifted around on a game board.
It really shows that none of you Americans have a glimpse of an idea what war really is.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
@Elberiver11 Stupid Nazi
maskaryan 8 months ago
if you believe British machine-gunned children
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"Believing" is something we do in church.
We are not talking about "believes", but about facts. Do you realize the whole dishonest
basis of your argumentation?
When its about German crimes, then you are quick to insult my people and errect 1000 HOLOCAUST and slander a whole nation "guilty".
But when its about your own hidden crimes, then we hear funny things like: "war is hell". Means: When we commit crimes, its not a crime.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
Pure wack.
the82spartans 1 year ago
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But I have to say you were sleeping and thus dreaming if you believe British machine-gunned children & nurses in Dresden.
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Sorry, i am not into discussing this with you. It's just as silly as claiming we still have to search MD-Weapons in Iraq. Everybody knows that America was lying.
This did not only happen in DD, it happened anywhere in Germany. It happened to a friend's mother when she was 17, she managed to escape into a forest, otherwise he would not be there today.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
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The thing with Hess was this: Crazy... the dude was wack..
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Well, that is what your country says. Hess said something else. But we all know, what to think of Britsih "honesty", hahaha!
Mate, your country is a country of LIARS, everybody knows that about the evil British.
You lied about the Lusitania (WW I), you lied about Poland (WW II), and you are waging a war RIGHT NOW, killing children again - a war that you started on pack of lies again. That's British.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
It is world-wide known that you British American people lie about your history.
The Polish invasion did not cause world war, just like your IRAQ invasion is not a world war.
You dirty British-American swine invaded far more nations than anyone else. Germany had the right to return the land that Poland had stolen, but i dont think you British pigs had any business in IRAQ, had you?And yet you invaded it, you bastards.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
Poland was NONE of England's business. Actually, Germany would have more right to declare war on you occupant pigs, in order to make you leave Iraq, than you ever had in messing into Polish-German affairs.
Churchill is the main culprit of both World wars. In 1915 he dragged the USA into war by deliberately sending the Lusitania, armed to its teeth , into the war zone, and in 1941 he managed the same via his fascist friend Roosevelt's "lend & lease act".
Elberiver11 1 year ago
We need more like him on the world stage.
Great leader regardless if you care or not for his politics, motives and methodology.
the82spartans 2 years ago
@the82spartans
You Moron, you want more warcriminals and childkillers on the world stage?
Well, you got them! With your angloamerican WARMONGERS George Bush and Tony Blair.
Are you somebody who is into snuff-videos and torturing & killing chidren, or why do you idolize all these sick warmongers and childkillers?
SICK.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
Elberiver. Why so much hate?
How many effective political leaders can you name with clean hands and a clear conscience? Evil does exist on this earth & war is a terrible thing but motive & intent are far apart.
"War is Hell". - Gen. William T. Sherman, US Civil War Union General
"War is inevitable" - Adolph Hitler, der Furher of the 3rd Reich - Nazi Germany.
My opinion of Winston Churchill on an American site is of no importance but you so why sweat it anyway?
the82spartans 1 year ago
"Elberiver. Why so much hate?"
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I dont expect a dirty British racist like you to come up with the truth about your Allied warcrimes and Atrocities. We know well that you are liars. But at least, you should refrain from insulting all the innocent children & women you brutally murdered, while calling it "democracy".
Its funny YOU of all people dare speak of "hate"! Have you seen me making fun of people killed in the London bombings? No you havent.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
It's only the British doing that, rather than feeling ashamed, they are even proud of being the world's biggest cowards and barbarians. Fucking disgusting.
You spit on the graves of innocents mate, and you dare talk to me about "Hate"? It's clear for everyone to see where the hate comes from.
I dont spit on the graves of your relatives. Be ashamed of yourself!
Elberiver11 1 year ago
Iraq never a threat to the US & UK? Really? I find that hard to believe considering they were blasting SAMs at our planes patrolling the No-Fly Zones. Iraq was a leading proliferator (and recipient of) illegal arms as well as a proliferator of international terrorism. Iraq WAS actively seeking WMD tech. He DID chemical and a nascent bio weapons program but was (thankfully for our troops' sake) lacking nukes. Iraq was a major regional destabilizer, thus a clear-and-present danger post-9/11.
AllTerroristsMustDie 2 years ago
Just because I'm interested in the argument more than anything else but you might be interested to know that the sanctions on iraq were killing children at an incredible rate during the interim years due to lack of food and medicine. There was a moral argument to be made whereby a swift and brutal war followed by competent aid similar to the marshal plan was a better option than protracted starvation.
apollyon1 2 years ago
It is an argument I came up with while arguing your position that I don't ascribe to, one can never really believe that war is anything other than a monumental failure of diplomacy, the sanctions were just an example of that failure. (ps Saddam was a prick, I'm not delusional. Just wanted to make that clear.)
apollyon1 2 years ago
And the war has made it better? Increased terrorism and taliban influence inte the middle east? Mission success?
incubi51 2 years ago
318,000 american kids killed because of this filth and his cabal. hundreds of thousand of american kids killed in the cold war because of him. 78,000 killed in ww1 because of him he is certainly roasting in hell with "unlcle" joe and the traitor roosevelt
tonylee1973 2 years ago
Churchill would have made an excellent American Congressman - much better than most who actually served. It's funny to note that had Churchill been alive today and had he been in a position of power after 9/11 he, too, would have argued for preemption as Bush and Blair did regarding Iraq. And he too, would have been attacked as a warmonger as those two were. Everyone would do well to remember that when dismissing Bush and the Bush Doctrine.
Inter arma enim silent leges,
ATMD
AllTerroristsMustDie 2 years ago
Churchill was considered a warmonger before the blitzkrieg, everyone else though that Hitler would respond well to appeasement.
The main difference between the war in Iraq and the war in Europe is that Iraq was never a threat to either America or Britain.
Remember that bush and blair do not care at all about the people of iraq, they had ulterior motives.
apollyon1 2 years ago
Germany was not a threat to the US then. It was not bush or blair who started this war with Iraq. It was thatcher. The Brits have been killing Iraqis for a long time. They put the dumb borders in place .
tonylee1973 2 years ago
Everything you have said is half right so I'll have to go through this step by step. This all goes back to ww1. It was that war which led to Britain creating modern Iraq and to Britain and America becoming allies. Britain needed to attack Iraq in WW1 to win that war. Britain and America had to attack Germany and her allies to win WW2. At the very least WW2 posed some threat to Britain and eventually to America. Iraq never posed a threat to either Britain or America since the 1920's.
apollyon1 2 years ago
Apollyon1: you seemed reasonable until that last bit about Bush and Blair having ulterior motives regarding Iraq? Please, enlighten me as to what they'd be. If you suspect oil then you're wrong. Why? America gets its oil from Saudi Arabia and Canada (you read that right). It's Western Europe (particularly France & Germany) which receive oil from Iraq, hence why they were opposed to the war.
AllTerroristsMustDie 2 years ago
I'm not saying that there is no justification for the war, now that it is nearly over I can take a step back and say that there were many tactical advantages for the Iraq war. Threat of force being shown to be true, taking the fight to the terrorists/insurgents, a launching post for other potential invasions, justification of military spending and R&D etc.
apollyon1 2 years ago
However not only are these reasons not the genuine ulterior motive but they do not make justification for war. The real reason for the war was simple - distraction from domestic problems one of the oldest political tricks in the book. Iraq was a very long way away from getting any WMD tech. Weapons inspectors such as Dr David Kelly were there continuously for years and did a fine job of maintaining Iraq's disarmed status.
apollyon1 2 years ago
Finally the main reason why I disagree with the war is how piss poorly managed it was always going to be. The American army has the subtly of Jerry Brukheimer film. The torture pics alone have done ten years of damage to America's reputation. The only reason why the war is coming to a successful conclusion is due to Al Qaeda's utter incompetence and little to do with an army which had not been trained to deal with the situation it created.
apollyon1 2 years ago
"It's funny to note that had Churchill been alive today"
Go fuck your self retard!!!! Who knows what Churcheill would have done!!!!
Retard!!!!!!!!
Tzimnewman3 2 years ago
Tzimnewman3, judging from statements Churchill made over the course of his life, acts he took while in power, and the fact that his "unilateralist" and "warmongering" ways (a.k.a logical Preemption) were as unpopular as Bush's was, it's very logical to assume what Churchill would have done. Retard? I'm not the one who spells Churchill as "Churcheill" - lest that's a Freudian slip of some kind. In any event your statements reflect your true vacuous self.
AllTerroristsMustDie 2 years ago
"warmongering"
Your the one whom is retarded speaking to me like I didn't know he was asking for war. What other way do you think the Allies would have beat the Axis??
"that's a Freudian slip of some kind."
It is, thank you for pointing it out. I must be carefeul not to make any more mistakes lest you have trouble reading it even the most simple mistake.
I presumed you would be good at English otherwise I'm sure you would have worked out that it was a mistake.
What a Cunt!!!
Tzimnewman3 2 years ago
That's a very good analogy- well said.
moshady8008 2 years ago
The Jap attack on Pearl Harbor made the US a tactical ally of Great Britain. Churchill came to Washington to appeal
for the political reality.
bookkeeper57 3 years ago
Thanks for sharing this wonderful speech by a great man
zaygezunt 3 years ago
bravo
bearcub410 3 years ago
When did he give this speech?
sammyt1215 3 years ago
December 26, 1941, 3 weeks after the japanese attack on pearl harbor
cfivelady 3 years ago