The Pawnee's aided the US in suppressing not only enemy tribes, but their own as well. They were treated worse than the "hostile" tribes, and they knew it themselves. Its not fair to assume that the Pawnee's were innocent bystanders. They aided in attacks that claimed the lives of Cheyenne, Sioux, and Arapaho women and children. The Pawnee and Arikara were once the most feared by the Mandan, Hidatsa, and Cheyenne people until they were dessimated by disease.
Yeah, documented in the Chicago Tribune... must be true then if its in the white newspaper at a time when the White really wanted to take ALL America.. Your a fool
Crazy Horse felt the Nez Perce campaign was a front to get the Lakota warriors to face Sitting Bull, he and Touch the Clouds forbade any Oglala from joining that fight. A lot of people became scouts, it paid and could keep their families from starving. It gave them access to weapons.
I have heard Crazy Horse was suspicious about joining the scouts but there is little doubt, given time, he would have rode with the US military against the Nez Perce. They were certainly traditional enemies of the Lakota just as were the Crow, Shoshone, Arikara, and Blackfoot. It is far easier to name their tribal friends (there were so few) than it is to name their enemies. Pretty much everyone except the Northern Cheyenne and the Arapaho. Why were they so unpopular? They were conquerors.
Since he hadn't rode with military at the time of his death, nor had he been thru the training, we will never know. Personally I think once he learned Sitting Bull had accepted the Nez Perce, no way would he have moved against them. He was ready to leave, he had no reason to have any loyalty to the military. We can't all be popular, can we?
Estonko to my relations, yes this was a terrible act of war fare carried out by the sioux,nothing makes the killing of women and children right,i guaratee the Pawnee had done the same to the Sioux at an earlier time,have you ever read about Joshua in the Bibe, he slautered men women and children,even their animals at the comand of God,i can never understand this,Joshua slaughtered his way across the holy land,why women children,solders did the same to indians in the name of god,vnvhe Osceola.
What I wrote was that Crazy Horse agreed to ride with the US army against Chief Joseph's Nez Perce in the summer of 1877. He had already been inducted into the Sioux auxiliaries at that point. Although he had not rode or trained with the military yet. This is a well established historical fact agreed upon by Ogalala, Brule, and white contemporaries. I can offer hundreds of sources but anyone who already doubts this fact would be impossible to convince.
The very last girl to be Sacrirfed was a 14 year old Oglala girl named Hixti by the Skidi, That was the point of the The Morning Star Celebration was to find a young youth to Sacrifce.
Remeber back then Childrens Ages to be considered grown was diffrent from ours today. Girls got married as young as 14 or 15 to our standards 14-15 would be a Child. Don't be surpised if maybe (IF NOT ALL PAWNEE) sacrifces were children.
Am just saying I doubt if the Pawnee were going around asking girls for their Ages, while they were rading Emeny tribes looking for their Sacrifce.
To say the Pawnee never if Seldom Sacrifced children would be impossible to determine because Chilrden of todays standards would be anything under the age of 17
but back than Native American girls got married as young as 14. i don't doubt if they were captures girls as young as like 7-8 if thats what mean by Child, but I wouldn't don't 12-15
Mybad, what I met to say was I doubt if they were capturing girls as young as 7 or8 but I wouldn't doubt if they were would go after a girl 12-15 am just saying I think they were more warried about how mature she looked rather than how old she actually was.
Lakota attacks on the Pawnee predated Lewis and Clark let alone the formation of the Pawnee Battalion. The Lakota were actually allies with the American military FIRST destroying a large Arikara-Hidatsa encampment on the Missouri in 1823. The Crow, Omaha, Ponca, Cheyenne, Shoshone all rode against the Lakota because, at points of time, they saw the Lakota as the greater threat. Even Crazy Horse agreed to ride with the military against the Nez Perce. Who sold out to the white man there?
Please were and When did Crazy Hrose ever ride with the Whiteman? Agiansit the Naz Perce I've looked all over for that and could never find anywhere that said Crazy Horse rode with the Calvery
Its noted Crazy Horse had a strong dislike for the Whiteman after seeing so many of his Villages getting burned down when he was child
Apparently Crazy Horse joined the US Army Scouts not long after his surrender. He was made a First Sergeant in Company C. I'm not aware of him ever seeing active service in the field though. So it's as jrt says he ''agreed'' to go.
Dakota over at the Fort Abraham Lincoln channel tells me he is going to have a video soon on Crazy Horse joining the scouts.
Well I guess we got people saying two diffirent things because I read what you gave me, and it said exactly what you are saying than I read a lot of other sites that said nothing about him Joining the Army which am Sorry but I can't believe he did, Everything I read about Crazy Horse previous to what you and Jrt are saying said Crazy Horses had a strong Haterd for the White Man. Not only that but if he did join the scouts he would have to work with the Other Indians who scouted him No.
@Dealz1988 Mari Sandoz in her book and others quote Crazy Horse as saying ''if the Great Father wants us to fight we will go north and fight until not a Nez Perce is left.''
I think the original source of this quote is from ''Custer's Conquerer'' by William J Bordeaux. William's father James Bordeaux was a half Sioux interpreter for the Army and according to William was present when Crazy Horse said this. William also had access to other Sioux who were there.
Even if so, Don't you think its Crazy or kinda strange that Even before their was a Written language about Crazy Horse when he lived in a Tribe their was so much we Know about him.
You can go to hunderds of sources about Crazy Horse and you'll find tons of information about When he lived in a Tribe.
Like why his mom named him Curly. His first raid. The women he loved Black Buffalo Women. All this we know about him before he even came to a reservation. This information is on hundards on pages
Am just saying, We all know Sitting Bull little bit about Sitting Bulls life all the Reservation. Like how he joined Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. How he took pictures with Tourist and gave most of his money away to children and ohers in need this information is everywhere..
Yet Crazy Horse Joining the Calvery seems to be only 1 sentence in many big books if you know what I mean. I just find find it hard to believe he'd joined the Calvery and ride againist the Nez Perce RITE AFTER he came
If anything I think he would have left the Reservation to go fight along site the Nez Perce sense they were not Traditonal enemys with the Nez Perce like Crow and Pawnee.
if he really Joined the Calvery right after he got to the reservation with NewPapers prints availble mixed with his kinda fame Written Langangue aswell. COME ON!! man ain't know way he joined the calvery yet only 1 or 2 accounts verfity it. At most like JRT said he may have agreed to go but later he most have change his mind
The Pawnee sold out to the white man and helped them fight and steal Lakota and other Indians lands for the whites. What do you expect the Lakota to do since the American military and Pawnee scouts massacred 100s of Cheyenne, Lakota, Shononee and Arapaho camps. An eye for an eys I say.
Completely 100 percent wrong. I'm going to make a video on the hundreds of Pawnees massacred by the Sioux at the Pawnee agency in the 1840's two decades before the Pawnee ever provided military service to the United States.
I'm going to make it just because you made that that post. I hope you think your post was worth it.
Also care to document the ''100s''' (LOL) of Camps the Pawnees and US massacred. Completely false.
So that means what? Only Pawnee history is accurate and other Indians' histories are false? So working for the American military as scouts bestows upon the Pawnee's history as more legitimate in the eyes of white academics or historians? I can produce 100s of examples where the Pawnee "massacred" other Indians campsites, what does that prove? The fact the Pawnee did human sacrifices on children proves what, also? Exactly what is your point in all this?
Sorry- I spell Petalasharo like a white guy which stands to reason. I have seen it spelled nearly a dozen different ways so I am not sure which spelling is technically correct. There were apparently 3 separate Petalasharos. My favorite was the Great Chief who was killed, possibly assassinated, crossing the Loup River in 1875. He was a man ahead of his time when he stated in 1873 that the Lakota's failure to make peace with their neighbors would be their undoing. He believed in a reckoning.
Pawnee Savage is correct. The Morning Star Celebration was never a very common occurrence. Even the Skidi used very, very sparingly, like once every fifteen years. Usually in time of great stress. The incident involving Petalasharo 1 occurred in 1817. A failed attempt occurred in 1833 with a Cheyenne girl. A few historians suggest that the Skidi were going to do one in 1859, just prior to the Pawnee War, but no one has proven it definitively. It was not like the bloody Aztecs, at all.
time out. only the skidi's participated in the morning star ceremonies and that ended after a pawnee brave named petelasharoo rescued some sioux chick after falling in love with her. Since he didnt get struck by lighting when he took her like the legend or watever said the pawnees were like well shit i guess we were wrong i guess we should stop.
Not that makes it better, but don't act like they did this without reason. The Same way the Comanche hated the Tonkawa for their practice of cannibalism, which led to the Masscare of 300 Tonawa in 1862 by the Comanche, Delaware, Shawnee. Also they worked for the Texas Rangers at scouts and foot soldiers which is why the Comanche disliked them
I ''trash'' the Lakota no more than they ''trash'' the United States.
If the Pawnee had the superior numbers and the Lakota the smaller numbers then yes the Pawnee probably would have been the ones hammering them right and left. I don't dispute that for a moment.
I have nothing against the Lakota. I'm against a completely false view of the 19th century Lakota and Plains Indians society in general.
They had been attacking the Pawnee like this for DECADES before the Pawnee's ever provided military service to the whites which only began in the 1860's which I'm pretty sure you know.
Any problem the Sioux had with the Pawnees (and other Indian tribes) LONG predates the appearance of the Americans.
God bless the Lakota. Down with false mythology about the 19th century plains Indians though.
Your always trashing the Lakota, Like you mentioned they had been at war from centries
This massacre happend in 1873. What YOU failed to mentioned is the Morning Star Ceremonys which am pretty sure you know about how the Pawnees would capture a ememy tribes girl a guessing a Lakota girl and Sacrifice her to the Morning Star. Not to mention that the Pawnee would scout out the Hostile Lakota who went on the war path with the Settlers. Am sure all this is what Contributeto this Masscare
I am curious about Indian Creek living in North Platte and being very familiar of Frontier County. I recall there was a range war in that area that involved the Olive gang but I have never heard of cowboys killing Indians around Stratton. According to your directions that is where it would have occurred. Please enlighten me. It is also extremely doubtful the whites colluded with Spotted Tail and Little Wound to bring about the massacre. The Sioux were entirely to blame in this case.
the cattle men wanted the land, and the government didn't want an expensive war, so they set the two tribes to fight, and within a year cattle were running on south west Nebraska, the largest ranch over 200,000 acres. Follow the money!!!
Donze53 there is no evidence that this massacre was any kind of ''set up'' by anyone.
For the sake of argument though lets say it was a set up.
You're saying some white people knew based on past experience that whenever these Indians get together that means that they kill each others women and children in horrible ways so lets get them together.
The cattlemen and government wanted the land, the Sioux had it by treaty. so an excuse to drive them out as evil monsters. My relatives were there the next year, and I also had natives from both tribes speak of this when I was a boy back in the 1950's
As for evidence, the g men were just as dirty back then as they are today.
sadly that canyon and the burnt wood hold many sad stories. follow the money.
You're very misinformed. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone try to claim the Lakota were victims of this incident in any way.
The Pawnees after much debate amongst themselves did decide to abandon their reservation in Nebraska after this attack and go south. So they did give up land. I'm not aware of the Sioux losing anything after this attack. Quite the contrary. The government did not punish them in any way shape or form for this incident.
This event happened in August of 1873. The Sioux went Buffalo Hunting again in the Winter of 1873. They also went hunting again in 1874. The Sioux were even supplied with rations by the government via the railraod at Julesberg when they went out hunting in 1874.
The Sioux lost nothing because of this. Did Nebraska cattlemen orchestrate the Lakotas DECADES long war versus the Pawnee too? The Lakota constantly went to the agency and killed Pawnees.
Perhaps we need a video on the attacks at the agency as well for everyone who is in complete denial.
People should read the links in the side bar.
I've added the links to the descriptions of this event from two of George Hyde's works at the top of the side bar so people can read about it.
Nebraska cattlemen did not make over a 1,000 Sioux warriors ride 40 miles from their own encampment to the Pawnees then rape, kill and set on fire Pawnee women and children.
Or you could follow the horses and other booty from the Pawnee camp which would have been the equivalent to money for the Sioux. Not to mention the prestige that came from a successful attack.
I have a simple simple question. How would it be possible for anybody to set this up? How could merely ''telling'' the Sioux the Pawnee were going to be somewhere ENSURE an attack if it wasn't the regular practice of the Sioux to attack the Pawnee every chance they got? The answer? It couldn't.
I does you no service to get angry or to answer your own questions with
( it couldn't)
To over near 4,000 Sioux total camp were told weeks before of the Pawnee movements to come. Just as the Viet Nam was a set up it is easy for men behind the curtain to start wars.
On Judgement day and you see the truth
maybe then we can shake hands, and be friends. God Bless you and your Family.
I'm not angry. I think it's a valid question. The conspiracy theory has at it's center the idea that massacre is a regular part of Plains Indian warfare.
If it doesn't then telling the Lakota the Pawnees are going to be somewhere shouldn't make any difference.
The conspiracy theory may make some white guys look bad but it only serves to make the Lakota look worse.
If you want a reason to get the land, the the government wanted taxes, the cattlemen want land, so offer one tribe a last buffalo hunt, and tell their enemy tribe where they will be, and make sure the army doesn[t show up to protect the weaker tribe, battle, then set fires and next spring cattle move in. My family settle then as did others with massive herds.
Because someone wants the land is hardly proof it's a ''setup.'' I don't think there is evidence that there is any kind of set up involved in the massacre.
In fact just the opposite. John Williamson the Agency Escort heard from White Buffalo hunters that the Sioux were in the Area and he warned the Pawnees. Williamson reports that the Pawnees called him a ''squaw and a coward'' and said they weren't afraid of the Sioux.
Williamson wasn't trying to lead the Pawnee's into any trap in fact all evidence indicates they didn't care what he thought.
Even if we make the leap of logic, while lacking all evidence, that someone maneuvered these Indians to be in the same place at the same time it doesn't change the fact that the only way such a conspiracy could work is if it was the regular practice of the Lakota Sioux to massacre Pawnee's.
The Lakota are in no way helped by this conspiracy theory because even according to it they are the ones who planned and executed the attack in their regular style of warfare.
The Lakotas attacked the Pawnees and did these things. Not white men. They had been doing this for decades to the Pawnee, Crow and others.
Sorry to bother you, with the facts, I neither condemn nor justify the event, but rather thought you'd like the facts
just because the white government did not write it down, just because it has not seen the light of day does not mean the people over my life time from all side are liers or mistaken,
I don't believe in any conspiracy theory here but even if EVERYTHING you've said is true it wouldn't change the fact that the Republican river attack was a typical action in Plains Indian warfare.
In fact think about this for a second, for your theory to be true, IT REQUIRES MASSACRES TO BE A REGULAR PRACTICE OF THE LAKOTA SIOUX.
I don't see any side as ''evil.'' I see military conquest as a constant in world history. Of course the Sioux saw the white influx as an invasion because it was one. Just as the Sioux's own migrations had been invasions before to other Indians tribes.
If by ''evil'' you mean mutilations and killing of noncombatants then you are correct no race of men can be said to be innocent of that.
If you want to be truthful about which culture tolerated that sort of behavior more during the 1800's then I think you have to say it was in general that of the Plains Indians because you do see that sort of behavior clearly evidenced not only towards whites by Indian tribes but also against other Indian tribes by the Indians.
Does that mean anyone should ''hate'' or dislike Indians from the past? Only as much as they hate white Americans from the past because of events like Sand Creek where mutilations occurred and not combatants were reportedly killed.
I say don't hate either side. I say it's better to understand it all in it's historical context than moralizing over it. Let the descendants of both sides be proud of their heritage.
You show much hate for the Sioux, They were stone age people just as the pawnee. Both tribes hated each other, so the g men used it, for the gain of the rich cattlemen
This description of the conspiracy is very good one. I still don't think there is a shred of evidence that any such ''set up'' existed but the description of the time period is very good. I hope others take note.
As far as ''hating'' the Sioux goes. In my actual day to day thought process I hate them not.
In terms of theoretical conversations regarding the Indian Wars though I ''hate'' them as much as certain individuals ''hate'' 19th century white Americans and I ''don't hate'' them as much as people ''don't hate'' 19th century White Americans. The end.
For the Lakota stand point a conspiracy theory here actually makes them look worse because it would take away any chance to claim this was an isolated incident and make it into a regular practice by definition.
YOu seem worked up over how evil an event was by the butching of women and Children you fail to understand the vikings and all primitive people have no rules in war, even today heads get chopped off by Arabs.
forgive my facts, they seem to mess up History for you,
Maybe it is best you don't know about Indian creek, about 20 miles from Massacre Canyon, dozen Native men women and children slauthered a few years later by cowboys, things happen
"you fail to understand the vikings and all primitive peoples have no rules in war''
No donze you fail to understand any point I've made or am attempting to make.
I'm actually fully aware that ''primitive'' people have no rules in warfare including ancient Europeans. Unfortunately I correspond with people all the time who DENY that fact like LJ whose comments on this very video you can scroll back and read through over the last few months.
Like jackrusseltrail I'm not familiar with any event of whites killing Indians at Indian Creek. I am however aware of examples of whites killing non-combatant Indians during the Indian wars though.
But since YOU have just admitted that the Indians had NO rules in warfare that means they would have had no rules when they attacked white people either. Which explains where the mutilation and killing of noncombatants really first came from when the whites and Indians fought doesn't it?
If one holds to your conspiracy theory you are basically admitting this was a regular practice among the Lakota Sioux that some whites used to their advantage.
Custer Invaded the Dakotas for Gold...He was a greedy Gold digger...Custer attacked the most vulnerable part of the Villages during the battle of Little Big Horn...Women and Children were Killed, than the Warriors gathered and chased down Custer HE GOT WHAT HE DISERVED...There are stories of Custer cutting skin off the Viginas of young Women and made earrings out of them...CUSTER WAS A NATIVE KILLER AND HATER.
Ok this right here is just another example of how you have no idea what you are talking about.
No one ever EVER has accused Custer or anyone under his command of cutting up vaginas. Except crazy people who post on the Internet and have no idea what they are talking about. You are confusing Custer with John M Chivington's attack on Sand Creek. But since you've repeatedly demonstrated accuracy means nothing to you I'm sure you don't care.
You would have made an excellent reporter for all the biased newspapers you are so fond of mentioning.
I'd also like to remind people that 16 year old Dora Eubank had her genitals cut out in the summer of 1864 during the raids on the Little Blue river by the Cheyenne. Sand Creek being in the fall of 1864. So guess where the gentlemen at Sand Creek got this charming idea.
I'm sure Dora donated her vagina in your world of ''bias'' LJ.
Despite the fact that Indians did commit horrendous acts against their neighbors, I think it isn't too far fetched to say that the US has learned a great deal about morality and civility from them. For example, early colonies were surprised that the Indians adopted POWs. During the Indian Wars, some tribes of Indians would adopt European POWs. The funny thing is is that when these early settlements set out to recapture them, they found that the POWs did not want to return home with them.
@mrblackavenger I am not the person who posted this, but I can guess that it is here because in our politically correct society, information about Indian savagry is not allowed to be discussed. Pointing out crimes by Whites is OK though.
It's to clear up one sided bias in the history of the settlement of North America. It places the violence between Whites and Indians and the accompanying horror stories back in their true context.
Most of all because it's the truth and it happened. So many good reasons.
I'd like to say to begin with that the members of the different tribes of Indians of course could be kind and compassionate just like anyone else. There are cases of some whites just plain taking up with certain Indian groups and joining without being captured. For these individuals maybe there was something about Indian life they liked.
The majority of the whites who didn't want to go back though when asked were those who were taken when they were young children. Usually before they reached the teen years. Just like it's easy to train a puppy to do what you want more so than a full grown dog we all I think know the same is true and probably even more accurate of the young of our own species.
I think we all were able to see a real live example of this in August of this year. Jaycee Lee Dugard was snatched from her bus stop in 1991 when she was 11 years old. For 18 years she was ''held captive'' by this man named Phillip Garrido until she was found this year at the age of 29. Now when we think of being a captive we think of being chained or locked up somewhere. Not the case for Jaycee.
She had full access to the telephone and Internet for years because she worked for this man in his business yet she made no attempt to contact her family or seek help. She remained with this man's wife for 5 months in 1993 when he was incarcerated for parole violations once again no attempt at escape. At the end when Garrdio was finally caught it was because he confessed himself.
In the initial questioning of Jaycee even though she and her daughters were in the presence of authorities and separated from Garrido thus safe she lied as to her identity and called him a good man seeking to do everything to protect him.
I remember reading one of her statements later saying she had bonded with these people and her relationship with Garrido was ''like a marriage.'' So no matter how much it rightly horrifies us poor Jaycee had in her mind become this man's wife.
Now while we understand the cultural context in which the Indians took their captives is different from that of Jaycee I think it is self-evident that the psychological effects it would have on a child are exactly the same.
It's a survival mechanism. So I think these individuals not wanting to go back tells us more about the psychological vulnerability of children more than it gives us any sort of meaningful comparison as to the desirability of European vs American Indian society.
You have a strong arguement and I agree with you on several points.
I think it is impossible to take an unbiased approach in determining which way of life is better. It is even more difficult to determine this because of the fact that American Indians have almost no recorded history before the 1400s, and the literature that does exist sheds light on American Indians that have already been in contact with traders and explorers for at least a century.
There is no doubt, however, that American Indians have had many hardships, even before Columbus, and the Euro-American lifestyle was very tempting. Americans had solid houses that stayed warm during the winter, large fields of land filled with domestic livestock, technologies that made travel simpler, and educations that made men into very specialized workers. It is no doubt that the American dream offered many luxeries that the Indians did not possess.
But much like the saying, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", I believe the same holds true for determing which way of life is better. It is mostly a matter of preference. Those Indians that loved the old way of life believed that the joys offered by the American dream were indeed great, but came at the cost of individual freedom. This is best exampled by a quote given by a man named Big Soldier in 1820.
In 1820, an Indian agent for the Osage named George Sibley attempted to convince the influencial tribal leader Big Soldier that the "white man's way" would be more beneficial for his people. In response Big Soldier said, "I see and admire your living; your warm houses, large fields of crops, [and] machines. You can do anything you choose... [and] subdue every animal to your use. You are surrounded by slaves. Everything is in chains and you are slaves yourselves."
Besides I'm still confused why you are talking about whites mutilating and killing Indians. When this video is about INDIANS killing and mutilating other INDIANS, NOT WHITES. Seems you should be talking about the mass epidemic of white soldiers killing white women and children in 1800's then wearing their body parts around to evidence the same behavior in the whites that's being seen in the Indians. Oh thats right, there wasn't one.
that just proves that the old News Papers are bias and racist...
We are friends with Liberal's we just don't like our Culture being exploited for Money...The Liberals and most of the Independents can get along with People, you Conservatives can't get along with others, you hate everone, LOL
You nothing of traditional Native American Music, btw Indians live in India...If you were friends with the Pawnee than why were thrown into Boarding Schools like the rest of the Tribes.
I'll give it to you, you are quite the unique individual. You think you can just splash back on the page say ''that'' just proves old newspapers are biased and racist without reference to anything or telling us what ''that'' is.
I certainly hope the ''old'' newspaper you are referring to isn't the Associated Press story from 1989 about Ivan Sidney. Knowing you though it probably could be.
Thanks I'm glad you noticed that. Because that is who this video is geared to primarily. Your ignorant rabid New Age white support base who loves stuff like dream catchers and flute music.
Check out the Pawnee Scouts for real Indian music. Also I noticed you haven't apologized for not being able to understand what quotation marks are for thus saying I called people squaws in 2009.
Thank goodness i made it out of my plastic covered 64 man sweat lodge to read this last post, two of my friends didnt make it though. I'm just happy I am not out another 9 thousand bucks to get this level of enlightenment from you.
Would you be so kind to tell me what Pawnee Tribal members are making this real Indian music that you speak of?
It's the Pawnee Flag Song and another song recommend by a Pawnee Indian who ask for the Pawnee Scout video to be made in the first place.
HE SAYS IT'S PAWNEE MUSIC. If it's not take it up with him, I'll give you his youtube screen name. Then you can tell him he's not a real Pawnee Indian and not related to the Larry EcoHawk.
I'm still waiting for my apology for your false accusation by the way. I'm sure I'll be waiting forever though because you are the type who is very good at demanding apologies for things that didn't happen to you from people who didn't do them but are VERY bad at giving apologies for personal wrongs you commit in the hear and now.
I think it's so funny how you despise the white New Agers who fund your radical activities. Lol
There are no radical Native Groups in America...There are dangerous Whites groups like the KKK, Nazi's, the Mob, Hells Angels, Biker Gangs, street Gangs, Right Wing Extremist in America today.
oh they are fingers LJ the finger neclace actually belonged to the cheyenne medicine men it is a very powerful and valuable necklace, not intended to be a trophy peice.
Oh wow look now they are fingers. The other day they were animal bones. When are you going to stop pretending you have any idea how Indian tribes in the 1800's back lived because obviously you don't.
When you going to stop making excuses for your Evil Ancestor's imperialistic ways of life...Natives are more Peaceful...You Neo Conseratives love War and throw White Power at the World...Whites have enslaved and caused the Deaths of over 300 Million People around the World and through out History.
I love you. You're my favorite poster. You prove to the world how intellectually bankrupt everything you believe is. I don't know what I'd do without you. :)
You make demonstrable error after error and what do you? You just keep posting like you still have credibility and you are benefiting your side.
LJM331. You are a Native brother, but I must tell you that Native Americans were not as peaceful as you think. As a Lakota, I can say with honesty that my ancestors "loved" war too. They took pride in being warriors, it was their culture. They removed many tribes during their westward migration. By many tribes I mean the Pawnee, Arikara, Crow, Cheyenne, Kiowa, Hidatsa, and Mandan. During raids they would some times kill women and children. Some times they would take them away and adopt them.
7th You are a very racist Person...You are only searching for Bias Info...Whites raged War on the World and eachother , Whites have done alot worse...Your Video sounds over exaggerated.
y yall arguing 4? . yes we are still being raped for our lands. we have an occupation site up here where i live. We are still being killed through statistics...highest suicide, abortion and miscarriage rates. not to mention abuse of our women as well as substances.and alcohol this war is never over bc they didnt win. we are here to stay, they cannot kill our spirit and our ways. they have tried everything and FAILED. from residential schools to straight murders that are filed as suicides
we are strong because of our history. build my brother, have beautiful Anishinabe babies and teach them your tongue and teachings. Dont give in to the hate, thats not what we are about. pride and honor my brothers. if you dont know much about your history and past go talk with an elder and bring tobacco. learn and pass it down. dont let our ways die. learn to drum and sing, or be a storyteller, teach the language that way our ancesters didnt die in vain.
why did they kill our ppl for ghostdancing? out of fear. why did they try to disband A.I.M. by killing or putting their leaders like Leonard Peltier in prison? Fear. Why did the shoot and kill Dudley George at Oka? Fear. Im not saying the average white person fears us, but the government sure does. They NEED the army to come in when we come together. its not that we outnumber them...its bc our spirit is unbreakable. they know that thats y they get shook when we unite.
Leonard Peltier is in prison for murdering FBI agents. You can say he's ''framed'' but that is why he's there. Anna Mae Aquash another AIM activist was murdered by AIM members in 1975 because she knew Peltier killed the FBI agents. Anna was a Micmac Indian. Go ask Anna's daughters Denise and Debbie who killed the FBI agents and their mother.
Those were peaceful protest...The Fascist Government invaded with Tanks and heavily armed Feds trying to break it up (then all hell broke loose)...Whites like to talk about free speech, but you try to shut People up
Whites have alot of serial Killers cuting bodies up through out history and today...You have alot of Insane People...
Oh ''those'' were peaceful protests were they? Since you are saying ''those'' you are referring back to something we are already talking about. Which means you think Leonard Peltier and Ann Mae Aquash have something to do with protests and the siege at Wounded Knee in 1973 which they don't.
White people have serial killers do they? Yeah they sure do.
They don't have community scalp dances though. They can't walk around with necklaces of fingers on in a public environment and everybody thinks its ok. If some white guy is hacking people up kind of has to keep it to himself. No so much in these old Indian tribes.
Which I'm not saying makes the Indians of the olden days good or bad. Just saying that's the way it was. These mutilations were cultural practices not unacceptable cultural deviancy like in the cases of serial killers.
Community scalp dances? Whites hung the scalps some of the Dakota and hung it up for display...Only psychotic People got scalped...The Soldiers killed many Woman, Children and Elders in very vicious ways, it is why some Warriors from certian Tribes Scalped...Not all Natives Scalped...
When the Nazi's fell towards the end of World War ll many Germans captured and mutilated the Nazi leaders...When People are oppressed they violently lash out...Thats Human Nature...
The Union and Confederates didn't scalp each other. The British and French didn't scalp each other in Europe and not for the most part in America. The Americans and Mexicans didn't scalp each other in the Mexican American war.
Realize how when you remove the Indians from these situations the scalping, torture, killing of noncombatant women and childern for the most part disappears?
The first Colonist burned many Natives alive, they killed in the name of God ...the same thing happend to The Pagan, Irish and Celtic People in Europe...
Walking around with necklaces of fingers? You're a Idiot.
If a Native did something bad they are always punished to the full extent of the Law...Whites get away with alot of Crimes against my People...What about all those Child molesters? many are still around.
Why do Native People suffer the most hate crimes in America...The hate continues...Look up hate crimes against Native Americans.
Hey LJ maybe you in your infinite wisdom could enlighten me how pointing out that the Indians had things like finger necklaces makes me an ''idiot.'' If anybody doubts their existence they can go see a picture of the Cheyenne Indian High Wolf's finger necklace that was found after the Dull Knife fight in my new Pawnee Scout video. All the Indians whose fingers that necklace was made from must have been psychos! Of thats right it never happened all made up.
Ah child molesters like the John Boone guy you mentioned before? The guy who was molesting kids out at the Hopi reservation for 11 years. I did a bit of research on old Boone and you know what I found out?
The Hopi tribal chairman knew that Boone was molesting kids at least SIX YEARS before he was arrested and did NOTHING!
Ivan Sidney was the Chief of the US BIA Tribal Police force at the HOPI reservation in 1981 when it was first brought to his attention that Boone was molesting kids.
What is his excuse for doing nothing? Oh well he was elected tribal chairman so he couldn't investigate it anymore! HE ADMITS THAT HE KNEW AND DID NOTHING!
I'm going to post the link to the newspaper article from 1989 in the sidebar so everyone can read it LJ.
The child molesters were able to do what they did because the corrupt and derelict Indian officials let it happen.
Sorry 7th but Anna Mae Aquash was murdered by agents with the Federal Bureau of Intimidation because of her involvment in trying to derail the uraniun mining on secred lands. And as Peltier goes thats just a big mess. If he did kill the FBI agent, which personally i hope that he did and should have taken more, they couldnt prove it, and lied and got caught in court. i dont think of this as a white and red issue. i am far from a racist, i consider this a whole other issue all together.
Well 905 I saw that you were trying to frame your issues in more of a government abuse of power way before when you posted which I think is smart. It could possibly convert many people to your view if it was constantly framed in that manner by others.
As far as Anna Mae Aquash goes her children say AIM members killed her and I think they would want the real killers punished and not be covering for the FBI.
Whether two FBI agents deserved to be killed by Leonard Peltier, well if that's what you think that's what you think. I know one shouldn't be surprised to end up in prison when they shoot federal agents.
normally i wouldnt condone the killing of anyone, but i honestly believe that they were there on a totally different agenda that the public was lead to believe. honestly that is just my opinion (as well as thousands of other people eg. Robert Redford and Nelson mandela) personally i wasnt there, and most likely not anyone contributing to this thread. I am glad to see that ppl still find these issues worthy of a good debate :)
Go ask Darlene Nichols, former wife of AIM leader Dennis Banks who killed the FBI agents, she'll say Peltier confessed and bragged about to a group of AIM members.
According to Nichols, Peltier said of killing the FBI agent ''The mother fucker was begging for his life, but I shot him anyway.'' And so he (or some AIM member at least) did in the back of the head execution style.
I don't think it is fair to blame the government for high suicide, abortion, and substance abuse rates. Those are all voluntary actions on the part of individuals. I'm no fan of the government myself but if they truly wanted you all dead then I have to believe that after a period of over 100 years you would be.
Alot of Natives suffered Trauma from all the abuse...U.S Soldiers today suffer PTS, the suicide rate is high amoung them, it's called Trauma...You lived a life of no violence, you don't know how it is to witness horror...serving in Iraq has affected me, but I went to my Elders, they helped me get throw it...WAR IS HELL!!!
i feel so digusted of myself that , i being american have to speak and write - ENGLAND's english language and script - lost identity .... my identity , is drug sex shopping and party ..... BUT I AM A PROUD AMERICAN ..... culture and tradition are for VULTURES !
English has always been the language of the United States of America.
If you are referring to the continent of North or South America there has NEVER at anytime in history been a nationality or ethnic identity that has been associated with the entire continent.
If you are truly descended of American Indians they would not have identified themselves as American or Indians but with some sort of tribal designation that would not have seen itself as connected with all the other tribes living on what would become the American continents.
ur the one ranting and raving. hes just reacting to what your saying. dude i feel your pain. i really do. all us natives got fucked. but its over now man. be proud of your indian nation. dont start acting like a drunk dumb indian like we've placed to be. be better than that man.
The Pawnee's aided the US in suppressing not only enemy tribes, but their own as well. They were treated worse than the "hostile" tribes, and they knew it themselves. Its not fair to assume that the Pawnee's were innocent bystanders. They aided in attacks that claimed the lives of Cheyenne, Sioux, and Arapaho women and children. The Pawnee and Arikara were once the most feared by the Mandan, Hidatsa, and Cheyenne people until they were dessimated by disease.
akichita87 3 months ago
Yeah, documented in the Chicago Tribune... must be true then if its in the white newspaper at a time when the White really wanted to take ALL America.. Your a fool
braveandtall 2 years ago 17
lol yeah like that's the only documentation. Congrats on NOT reading the side bar oh inquisitive one.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago 3
killing woman and children wow real hard. congrats heres a medal.
PawneeSavage 2 years ago
Hell Yeahh!
Lakota pride.
Fucked up some Pawnee's!
Lil bitches.
confed4life 2 years ago
Thanks for letting people know you're proud of this.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago 2
No Prob brotha.
confed4life 2 years ago
Crazy Horse felt the Nez Perce campaign was a front to get the Lakota warriors to face Sitting Bull, he and Touch the Clouds forbade any Oglala from joining that fight. A lot of people became scouts, it paid and could keep their families from starving. It gave them access to weapons.
apachesbutterfly 2 years ago 4
I have heard Crazy Horse was suspicious about joining the scouts but there is little doubt, given time, he would have rode with the US military against the Nez Perce. They were certainly traditional enemies of the Lakota just as were the Crow, Shoshone, Arikara, and Blackfoot. It is far easier to name their tribal friends (there were so few) than it is to name their enemies. Pretty much everyone except the Northern Cheyenne and the Arapaho. Why were they so unpopular? They were conquerors.
jackrusseltrail 2 years ago
Since he hadn't rode with military at the time of his death, nor had he been thru the training, we will never know. Personally I think once he learned Sitting Bull had accepted the Nez Perce, no way would he have moved against them. He was ready to leave, he had no reason to have any loyalty to the military. We can't all be popular, can we?
apachesbutterfly 2 years ago 3
Estonko to my relations, yes this was a terrible act of war fare carried out by the sioux,nothing makes the killing of women and children right,i guaratee the Pawnee had done the same to the Sioux at an earlier time,have you ever read about Joshua in the Bibe, he slautered men women and children,even their animals at the comand of God,i can never understand this,Joshua slaughtered his way across the holy land,why women children,solders did the same to indians in the name of god,vnvhe Osceola.
cougartracks 2 years ago
What I wrote was that Crazy Horse agreed to ride with the US army against Chief Joseph's Nez Perce in the summer of 1877. He had already been inducted into the Sioux auxiliaries at that point. Although he had not rode or trained with the military yet. This is a well established historical fact agreed upon by Ogalala, Brule, and white contemporaries. I can offer hundreds of sources but anyone who already doubts this fact would be impossible to convince.
jackrusseltrail 2 years ago
the pawnee never if even seldom, sacrificed children you moron.
PawneeSavage 2 years ago
The very last girl to be Sacrirfed was a 14 year old Oglala girl named Hixti by the Skidi, That was the point of the The Morning Star Celebration was to find a young youth to Sacrifce.
Remeber back then Childrens Ages to be considered grown was diffrent from ours today. Girls got married as young as 14 or 15 to our standards 14-15 would be a Child. Don't be surpised if maybe (IF NOT ALL PAWNEE) sacrifces were children.
Dealz1988 2 years ago
Am just saying I doubt if the Pawnee were going around asking girls for their Ages, while they were rading Emeny tribes looking for their Sacrifce.
To say the Pawnee never if Seldom Sacrifced children would be impossible to determine because Chilrden of todays standards would be anything under the age of 17
but back than Native American girls got married as young as 14. i don't doubt if they were captures girls as young as like 7-8 if thats what mean by Child, but I wouldn't don't 12-15
Dealz1988 2 years ago
Mybad, what I met to say was I doubt if they were capturing girls as young as 7 or8 but I wouldn't doubt if they were would go after a girl 12-15 am just saying I think they were more warried about how mature she looked rather than how old she actually was.
Dealz1988 2 years ago
Lakota attacks on the Pawnee predated Lewis and Clark let alone the formation of the Pawnee Battalion. The Lakota were actually allies with the American military FIRST destroying a large Arikara-Hidatsa encampment on the Missouri in 1823. The Crow, Omaha, Ponca, Cheyenne, Shoshone all rode against the Lakota because, at points of time, they saw the Lakota as the greater threat. Even Crazy Horse agreed to ride with the military against the Nez Perce. Who sold out to the white man there?
jackrusseltrail 2 years ago
Please were and When did Crazy Hrose ever ride with the Whiteman? Agiansit the Naz Perce I've looked all over for that and could never find anywhere that said Crazy Horse rode with the Calvery
Its noted Crazy Horse had a strong dislike for the Whiteman after seeing so many of his Villages getting burned down when he was child
Dealz1988 2 years ago
Apparently Crazy Horse joined the US Army Scouts not long after his surrender. He was made a First Sergeant in Company C. I'm not aware of him ever seeing active service in the field though. So it's as jrt says he ''agreed'' to go.
Dakota over at the Fort Abraham Lincoln channel tells me he is going to have a video soon on Crazy Horse joining the scouts.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Well I guess we got people saying two diffirent things because I read what you gave me, and it said exactly what you are saying than I read a lot of other sites that said nothing about him Joining the Army which am Sorry but I can't believe he did, Everything I read about Crazy Horse previous to what you and Jrt are saying said Crazy Horses had a strong Haterd for the White Man. Not only that but if he did join the scouts he would have to work with the Other Indians who scouted him No.
Dealz1988 2 years ago
@Dealz1988 Mari Sandoz in her book and others quote Crazy Horse as saying ''if the Great Father wants us to fight we will go north and fight until not a Nez Perce is left.''
I think the original source of this quote is from ''Custer's Conquerer'' by William J Bordeaux. William's father James Bordeaux was a half Sioux interpreter for the Army and according to William was present when Crazy Horse said this. William also had access to other Sioux who were there.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
*Correction*
William's father's name was Louis and his Grandfather's name was James.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Even if so, Don't you think its Crazy or kinda strange that Even before their was a Written language about Crazy Horse when he lived in a Tribe their was so much we Know about him.
You can go to hunderds of sources about Crazy Horse and you'll find tons of information about When he lived in a Tribe.
Like why his mom named him Curly. His first raid. The women he loved Black Buffalo Women. All this we know about him before he even came to a reservation. This information is on hundards on pages
Dealz1988 2 years ago
Am just saying, We all know Sitting Bull little bit about Sitting Bulls life all the Reservation. Like how he joined Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. How he took pictures with Tourist and gave most of his money away to children and ohers in need this information is everywhere..
Yet Crazy Horse Joining the Calvery seems to be only 1 sentence in many big books if you know what I mean. I just find find it hard to believe he'd joined the Calvery and ride againist the Nez Perce RITE AFTER he came
Dealz1988 2 years ago
They have Crazy Horses enlistment papers at Fort Robinson. JRT agrees he was in the Scouts. Although he never saw active service.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
If anything I think he would have left the Reservation to go fight along site the Nez Perce sense they were not Traditonal enemys with the Nez Perce like Crow and Pawnee.
if he really Joined the Calvery right after he got to the reservation with NewPapers prints availble mixed with his kinda fame Written Langangue aswell. COME ON!! man ain't know way he joined the calvery yet only 1 or 2 accounts verfity it. At most like JRT said he may have agreed to go but later he most have change his mind
Dealz1988 2 years ago
I met work with the other Indians who scouted him out.
Dealz1988 2 years ago
Hey 7thUSCavalryman why not do a video on why the 7th Calvary committed mass suicide by the US soldiers at the Little Big Horn?
wovokanarchy 2 years ago
No thanks thats been done. I'd rather point out what hypocrites you whiners are. It's fun exposing your lies. :)
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
The Pawnee sold out to the white man and helped them fight and steal Lakota and other Indians lands for the whites. What do you expect the Lakota to do since the American military and Pawnee scouts massacred 100s of Cheyenne, Lakota, Shononee and Arapaho camps. An eye for an eys I say.
wovokanarchy 2 years ago
Completely 100 percent wrong. I'm going to make a video on the hundreds of Pawnees massacred by the Sioux at the Pawnee agency in the 1840's two decades before the Pawnee ever provided military service to the United States.
I'm going to make it just because you made that that post. I hope you think your post was worth it.
Also care to document the ''100s''' (LOL) of Camps the Pawnees and US massacred. Completely false.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
So that means what? Only Pawnee history is accurate and other Indians' histories are false? So working for the American military as scouts bestows upon the Pawnee's history as more legitimate in the eyes of white academics or historians? I can produce 100s of examples where the Pawnee "massacred" other Indians campsites, what does that prove? The fact the Pawnee did human sacrifices on children proves what, also? Exactly what is your point in all this?
wovokanarchy 2 years ago
Sorry- I spell Petalasharo like a white guy which stands to reason. I have seen it spelled nearly a dozen different ways so I am not sure which spelling is technically correct. There were apparently 3 separate Petalasharos. My favorite was the Great Chief who was killed, possibly assassinated, crossing the Loup River in 1875. He was a man ahead of his time when he stated in 1873 that the Lakota's failure to make peace with their neighbors would be their undoing. He believed in a reckoning.
jackrusseltrail 2 years ago
Pawnee Savage is correct. The Morning Star Celebration was never a very common occurrence. Even the Skidi used very, very sparingly, like once every fifteen years. Usually in time of great stress. The incident involving Petalasharo 1 occurred in 1817. A failed attempt occurred in 1833 with a Cheyenne girl. A few historians suggest that the Skidi were going to do one in 1859, just prior to the Pawnee War, but no one has proven it definitively. It was not like the bloody Aztecs, at all.
jackrusseltrail 2 years ago
time out. only the skidi's participated in the morning star ceremonies and that ended after a pawnee brave named petelasharoo rescued some sioux chick after falling in love with her. Since he didnt get struck by lighting when he took her like the legend or watever said the pawnees were like well shit i guess we were wrong i guess we should stop.
PawneeSavage 2 years ago
Not that makes it better, but don't act like they did this without reason. The Same way the Comanche hated the Tonkawa for their practice of cannibalism, which led to the Masscare of 300 Tonawa in 1862 by the Comanche, Delaware, Shawnee. Also they worked for the Texas Rangers at scouts and foot soldiers which is why the Comanche disliked them
Every tribe had their reasons
Dealz1988 2 years ago
I ''trash'' the Lakota no more than they ''trash'' the United States.
If the Pawnee had the superior numbers and the Lakota the smaller numbers then yes the Pawnee probably would have been the ones hammering them right and left. I don't dispute that for a moment.
I have nothing against the Lakota. I'm against a completely false view of the 19th century Lakota and Plains Indians society in general.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago 2
Did the Crow have morning Star ceremonies?
Did the Kiowa?
Did the Ponca?
Did the Oto?
Were the Pawnee still having morning star ceremonies in 1873 under the supervision of their Quaker agent at the agency? You know they weren't.
Also don't try to pull that ''the Lakota didn't like the Pawnee because they fought with the whites'' stuff.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
They had been attacking the Pawnee like this for DECADES before the Pawnee's ever provided military service to the whites which only began in the 1860's which I'm pretty sure you know.
Any problem the Sioux had with the Pawnees (and other Indian tribes) LONG predates the appearance of the Americans.
God bless the Lakota. Down with false mythology about the 19th century plains Indians though.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Your always trashing the Lakota, Like you mentioned they had been at war from centries
This massacre happend in 1873. What YOU failed to mentioned is the Morning Star Ceremonys which am pretty sure you know about how the Pawnees would capture a ememy tribes girl a guessing a Lakota girl and Sacrifice her to the Morning Star. Not to mention that the Pawnee would scout out the Hostile Lakota who went on the war path with the Settlers. Am sure all this is what Contributeto this Masscare
Dealz1988 2 years ago
I am curious about Indian Creek living in North Platte and being very familiar of Frontier County. I recall there was a range war in that area that involved the Olive gang but I have never heard of cowboys killing Indians around Stratton. According to your directions that is where it would have occurred. Please enlighten me. It is also extremely doubtful the whites colluded with Spotted Tail and Little Wound to bring about the massacre. The Sioux were entirely to blame in this case.
jackrusseltrail 2 years ago
It was a set up, as my people told me,
the cattle men wanted the land, and the government didn't want an expensive war, so they set the two tribes to fight, and within a year cattle were running on south west Nebraska, the largest ranch over 200,000 acres. Follow the money!!!
donze52
donze52 2 years ago
Donze53 there is no evidence that this massacre was any kind of ''set up'' by anyone.
For the sake of argument though lets say it was a set up.
You're saying some white people knew based on past experience that whenever these Indians get together that means that they kill each others women and children in horrible ways so lets get them together.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
The cattlemen and government wanted the land, the Sioux had it by treaty. so an excuse to drive them out as evil monsters. My relatives were there the next year, and I also had natives from both tribes speak of this when I was a boy back in the 1950's
As for evidence, the g men were just as dirty back then as they are today.
sadly that canyon and the burnt wood hold many sad stories. follow the money.
donze52 2 years ago 2
You're very misinformed. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone try to claim the Lakota were victims of this incident in any way.
The Pawnees after much debate amongst themselves did decide to abandon their reservation in Nebraska after this attack and go south. So they did give up land. I'm not aware of the Sioux losing anything after this attack. Quite the contrary. The government did not punish them in any way shape or form for this incident.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
This event happened in August of 1873. The Sioux went Buffalo Hunting again in the Winter of 1873. They also went hunting again in 1874. The Sioux were even supplied with rations by the government via the railraod at Julesberg when they went out hunting in 1874.
The Sioux lost nothing because of this. Did Nebraska cattlemen orchestrate the Lakotas DECADES long war versus the Pawnee too? The Lakota constantly went to the agency and killed Pawnees.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Perhaps we need a video on the attacks at the agency as well for everyone who is in complete denial.
People should read the links in the side bar.
I've added the links to the descriptions of this event from two of George Hyde's works at the top of the side bar so people can read about it.
Nebraska cattlemen did not make over a 1,000 Sioux warriors ride 40 miles from their own encampment to the Pawnees then rape, kill and set on fire Pawnee women and children.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
The set up was simple tell the pawnee they could go on one last buffalo hunt.
then tell the Sioux they were coming.
then tell the Pawnee that the sioux had driven many pawnee buffalo to the north side of the river which was sioux lands.
Calvery protection for the pawnee for the trip never did meet up till after the battle.
I know it is hard to have a way of thinking./
I ask before to just follow the money when bad things happen
donze52 2 years ago
Or you could follow the horses and other booty from the Pawnee camp which would have been the equivalent to money for the Sioux. Not to mention the prestige that came from a successful attack.
I have a simple simple question. How would it be possible for anybody to set this up? How could merely ''telling'' the Sioux the Pawnee were going to be somewhere ENSURE an attack if it wasn't the regular practice of the Sioux to attack the Pawnee every chance they got? The answer? It couldn't.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
I does you no service to get angry or to answer your own questions with
( it couldn't)
To over near 4,000 Sioux total camp were told weeks before of the Pawnee movements to come. Just as the Viet Nam was a set up it is easy for men behind the curtain to start wars.
On Judgement day and you see the truth
maybe then we can shake hands, and be friends. God Bless you and your Family.
donze52 2 years ago
I'm not angry. I think it's a valid question. The conspiracy theory has at it's center the idea that massacre is a regular part of Plains Indian warfare.
If it doesn't then telling the Lakota the Pawnees are going to be somewhere shouldn't make any difference.
The conspiracy theory may make some white guys look bad but it only serves to make the Lakota look worse.
God bless you and your family as well.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
If you want a reason to get the land, the the government wanted taxes, the cattlemen want land, so offer one tribe a last buffalo hunt, and tell their enemy tribe where they will be, and make sure the army doesn[t show up to protect the weaker tribe, battle, then set fires and next spring cattle move in. My family settle then as did others with massive herds.
Check out the first murder of sw Nebraska
in 1870. Go to donze52
May GOD Bless
donze52 2 years ago
Because someone wants the land is hardly proof it's a ''setup.'' I don't think there is evidence that there is any kind of set up involved in the massacre.
In fact just the opposite. John Williamson the Agency Escort heard from White Buffalo hunters that the Sioux were in the Area and he warned the Pawnees. Williamson reports that the Pawnees called him a ''squaw and a coward'' and said they weren't afraid of the Sioux.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Williamson wasn't trying to lead the Pawnee's into any trap in fact all evidence indicates they didn't care what he thought.
Even if we make the leap of logic, while lacking all evidence, that someone maneuvered these Indians to be in the same place at the same time it doesn't change the fact that the only way such a conspiracy could work is if it was the regular practice of the Lakota Sioux to massacre Pawnee's.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
The Lakota are in no way helped by this conspiracy theory because even according to it they are the ones who planned and executed the attack in their regular style of warfare.
The Lakotas attacked the Pawnees and did these things. Not white men. They had been doing this for decades to the Pawnee, Crow and others.
God Bless :)
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Sorry to bother you, with the facts, I neither condemn nor justify the event, but rather thought you'd like the facts
just because the white government did not write it down, just because it has not seen the light of day does not mean the people over my life time from all side are liers or mistaken,
thank you for your time
Signed MR BILL
Mr. BILL
donze52 2 years ago
I don't believe in any conspiracy theory here but even if EVERYTHING you've said is true it wouldn't change the fact that the Republican river attack was a typical action in Plains Indian warfare.
In fact think about this for a second, for your theory to be true, IT REQUIRES MASSACRES TO BE A REGULAR PRACTICE OF THE LAKOTA SIOUX.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Again you see one sade as evil,
both sides had done bad things,
but this battle was needed to get rid of the Sioux so the land could be opened to Ranching in s/w Nebraska. 10,000 squarre miles.
May Jesus Bless you and your family
donze52 2 years ago
I don't see any side as ''evil.'' I see military conquest as a constant in world history. Of course the Sioux saw the white influx as an invasion because it was one. Just as the Sioux's own migrations had been invasions before to other Indians tribes.
If by ''evil'' you mean mutilations and killing of noncombatants then you are correct no race of men can be said to be innocent of that.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
In World War I my Three Great Uncles fought and told of terrible things done.
In world war II, My father and his 4 brothers also told of evil they saw.
Evil is just that, and war brings it out Quicker than a Two dollar Street Lady.
Bless you
donze52 2 years ago
If you want to be truthful about which culture tolerated that sort of behavior more during the 1800's then I think you have to say it was in general that of the Plains Indians because you do see that sort of behavior clearly evidenced not only towards whites by Indian tribes but also against other Indian tribes by the Indians.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Does that mean anyone should ''hate'' or dislike Indians from the past? Only as much as they hate white Americans from the past because of events like Sand Creek where mutilations occurred and not combatants were reportedly killed.
I say don't hate either side. I say it's better to understand it all in it's historical context than moralizing over it. Let the descendants of both sides be proud of their heritage.
Jesus bless you and yours as well.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
You show much hate for the Sioux, They were stone age people just as the pawnee. Both tribes hated each other, so the g men used it, for the gain of the rich cattlemen
Supprize/.
Mr BILL
donze52 2 years ago
This description of the conspiracy is very good one. I still don't think there is a shred of evidence that any such ''set up'' existed but the description of the time period is very good. I hope others take note.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
As far as ''hating'' the Sioux goes. In my actual day to day thought process I hate them not.
In terms of theoretical conversations regarding the Indian Wars though I ''hate'' them as much as certain individuals ''hate'' 19th century white Americans and I ''don't hate'' them as much as people ''don't hate'' 19th century White Americans. The end.
Pretty simple proposition really.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
For the Lakota stand point a conspiracy theory here actually makes them look worse because it would take away any chance to claim this was an isolated incident and make it into a regular practice by definition.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
YOu seem worked up over how evil an event was by the butching of women and Children you fail to understand the vikings and all primitive people have no rules in war, even today heads get chopped off by Arabs.
forgive my facts, they seem to mess up History for you,
Maybe it is best you don't know about Indian creek, about 20 miles from Massacre Canyon, dozen Native men women and children slauthered a few years later by cowboys, things happen
I just like true,
Check out donze52 films
donze52 2 years ago
"you fail to understand the vikings and all primitive peoples have no rules in war''
No donze you fail to understand any point I've made or am attempting to make.
I'm actually fully aware that ''primitive'' people have no rules in warfare including ancient Europeans. Unfortunately I correspond with people all the time who DENY that fact like LJ whose comments on this very video you can scroll back and read through over the last few months.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Like jackrusseltrail I'm not familiar with any event of whites killing Indians at Indian Creek. I am however aware of examples of whites killing non-combatant Indians during the Indian wars though.
But since YOU have just admitted that the Indians had NO rules in warfare that means they would have had no rules when they attacked white people either. Which explains where the mutilation and killing of noncombatants really first came from when the whites and Indians fought doesn't it?
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
You have now obtained zen and reached the point of the video.
I thank you for enlightening others.
God Bless.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
To blame these Indians actions on white men is ridiculous.
I know go google crow creek massacre and see how you can blame the white man for that one since it happened in the 1300's.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
How come you don't speak of Indian Creek, just a few miles west of massacre canyon. that was very sad,
donze52 2 years ago
If one holds to your conspiracy theory you are basically admitting this was a regular practice among the Lakota Sioux that some whites used to their advantage.
Hardly helps redeem the Lakota involved does it?
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
The Pawnee were feared by other tribes for centuries, for a very good reason.
They ruled from Nebraska to Texas.
the Sioux were told by the G men of the day of the last buffalo hunt, as the area had been promised to the cattlemen.
my relatives still own 40,000 acreas of said lands.
donze52 2 years ago 2
Custer Invaded the Dakotas for Gold...He was a greedy Gold digger...Custer attacked the most vulnerable part of the Villages during the battle of Little Big Horn...Women and Children were Killed, than the Warriors gathered and chased down Custer HE GOT WHAT HE DISERVED...There are stories of Custer cutting skin off the Viginas of young Women and made earrings out of them...CUSTER WAS A NATIVE KILLER AND HATER.
LJM331 2 years ago
Ok this right here is just another example of how you have no idea what you are talking about.
No one ever EVER has accused Custer or anyone under his command of cutting up vaginas. Except crazy people who post on the Internet and have no idea what they are talking about. You are confusing Custer with John M Chivington's attack on Sand Creek. But since you've repeatedly demonstrated accuracy means nothing to you I'm sure you don't care.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
You would have made an excellent reporter for all the biased newspapers you are so fond of mentioning.
I'd also like to remind people that 16 year old Dora Eubank had her genitals cut out in the summer of 1864 during the raids on the Little Blue river by the Cheyenne. Sand Creek being in the fall of 1864. So guess where the gentlemen at Sand Creek got this charming idea.
I'm sure Dora donated her vagina in your world of ''bias'' LJ.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Despite the fact that Indians did commit horrendous acts against their neighbors, I think it isn't too far fetched to say that the US has learned a great deal about morality and civility from them. For example, early colonies were surprised that the Indians adopted POWs. During the Indian Wars, some tribes of Indians would adopt European POWs. The funny thing is is that when these early settlements set out to recapture them, they found that the POWs did not want to return home with them.
akichita87 2 years ago
Hey akichita87. Thanks for the posts. You make some good points and bring up an interesting subject on captives.
This is my take on some of the Indians' white captives ''not wanting to go back'' to the white world.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
i just wanted ask why are you making a video based on indian killing indians? can you tell me please?
mrblackavenger 2 years ago
@mrblackavenger I am not the person who posted this, but I can guess that it is here because in our politically correct society, information about Indian savagry is not allowed to be discussed. Pointing out crimes by Whites is OK though.
hannityforpres 2 years ago
hannity Whites are the Savages
LJM331 2 years ago
It's to clear up one sided bias in the history of the settlement of North America. It places the violence between Whites and Indians and the accompanying horror stories back in their true context.
Most of all because it's the truth and it happened. So many good reasons.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
I'd like to say to begin with that the members of the different tribes of Indians of course could be kind and compassionate just like anyone else. There are cases of some whites just plain taking up with certain Indian groups and joining without being captured. For these individuals maybe there was something about Indian life they liked.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
The majority of the whites who didn't want to go back though when asked were those who were taken when they were young children. Usually before they reached the teen years. Just like it's easy to train a puppy to do what you want more so than a full grown dog we all I think know the same is true and probably even more accurate of the young of our own species.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
I think we all were able to see a real live example of this in August of this year. Jaycee Lee Dugard was snatched from her bus stop in 1991 when she was 11 years old. For 18 years she was ''held captive'' by this man named Phillip Garrido until she was found this year at the age of 29. Now when we think of being a captive we think of being chained or locked up somewhere. Not the case for Jaycee.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
She had full access to the telephone and Internet for years because she worked for this man in his business yet she made no attempt to contact her family or seek help. She remained with this man's wife for 5 months in 1993 when he was incarcerated for parole violations once again no attempt at escape. At the end when Garrdio was finally caught it was because he confessed himself.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
In the initial questioning of Jaycee even though she and her daughters were in the presence of authorities and separated from Garrido thus safe she lied as to her identity and called him a good man seeking to do everything to protect him.
I remember reading one of her statements later saying she had bonded with these people and her relationship with Garrido was ''like a marriage.'' So no matter how much it rightly horrifies us poor Jaycee had in her mind become this man's wife.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Now while we understand the cultural context in which the Indians took their captives is different from that of Jaycee I think it is self-evident that the psychological effects it would have on a child are exactly the same.
It's a survival mechanism. So I think these individuals not wanting to go back tells us more about the psychological vulnerability of children more than it gives us any sort of meaningful comparison as to the desirability of European vs American Indian society.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
You have a strong arguement and I agree with you on several points.
I think it is impossible to take an unbiased approach in determining which way of life is better. It is even more difficult to determine this because of the fact that American Indians have almost no recorded history before the 1400s, and the literature that does exist sheds light on American Indians that have already been in contact with traders and explorers for at least a century.
akichita87 2 years ago
There is no doubt, however, that American Indians have had many hardships, even before Columbus, and the Euro-American lifestyle was very tempting. Americans had solid houses that stayed warm during the winter, large fields of land filled with domestic livestock, technologies that made travel simpler, and educations that made men into very specialized workers. It is no doubt that the American dream offered many luxeries that the Indians did not possess.
akichita87 2 years ago
But much like the saying, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", I believe the same holds true for determing which way of life is better. It is mostly a matter of preference. Those Indians that loved the old way of life believed that the joys offered by the American dream were indeed great, but came at the cost of individual freedom. This is best exampled by a quote given by a man named Big Soldier in 1820.
akichita87 2 years ago
In 1820, an Indian agent for the Osage named George Sibley attempted to convince the influencial tribal leader Big Soldier that the "white man's way" would be more beneficial for his people. In response Big Soldier said, "I see and admire your living; your warm houses, large fields of crops, [and] machines. You can do anything you choose... [and] subdue every animal to your use. You are surrounded by slaves. Everything is in chains and you are slaves yourselves."
akichita87 2 years ago
"I fear if I should exchange my pursuits for yours, I too should become a slave."
akichita87 2 years ago
Very sensible and well put. Thank you for the comments.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Besides I'm still confused why you are talking about whites mutilating and killing Indians. When this video is about INDIANS killing and mutilating other INDIANS, NOT WHITES. Seems you should be talking about the mass epidemic of white soldiers killing white women and children in 1800's then wearing their body parts around to evidence the same behavior in the whites that's being seen in the Indians. Oh thats right, there wasn't one.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
que the flute music all we are missing now is some dream catchers and kokopelli and you'd get the hat trick.
redhandmedia 2 years ago
i cant believe you just called them squaws. its 2009.
redhandmedia 2 years ago 2
Hey nut job. I DIDN'T CALL THEM SQUAWS IN 2009. THAT IS A QUOTE FROM SOMEONE FROM OVER A 100 YEARS AGO.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
that just proves that the old News Papers are bias and racist...
We are friends with Liberal's we just don't like our Culture being exploited for Money...The Liberals and most of the Independents can get along with People, you Conservatives can't get along with others, you hate everone, LOL
You nothing of traditional Native American Music, btw Indians live in India...If you were friends with the Pawnee than why were thrown into Boarding Schools like the rest of the Tribes.
LJM331 2 years ago
I'll give it to you, you are quite the unique individual. You think you can just splash back on the page say ''that'' just proves old newspapers are biased and racist without reference to anything or telling us what ''that'' is.
I certainly hope the ''old'' newspaper you are referring to isn't the Associated Press story from 1989 about Ivan Sidney. Knowing you though it probably could be.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Thanks I'm glad you noticed that. Because that is who this video is geared to primarily. Your ignorant rabid New Age white support base who loves stuff like dream catchers and flute music.
Check out the Pawnee Scouts for real Indian music. Also I noticed you haven't apologized for not being able to understand what quotation marks are for thus saying I called people squaws in 2009.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Thank goodness i made it out of my plastic covered 64 man sweat lodge to read this last post, two of my friends didnt make it though. I'm just happy I am not out another 9 thousand bucks to get this level of enlightenment from you.
Would you be so kind to tell me what Pawnee Tribal members are making this real Indian music that you speak of?
redhandmedia 2 years ago
It's the Pawnee Flag Song and another song recommend by a Pawnee Indian who ask for the Pawnee Scout video to be made in the first place.
HE SAYS IT'S PAWNEE MUSIC. If it's not take it up with him, I'll give you his youtube screen name. Then you can tell him he's not a real Pawnee Indian and not related to the Larry EcoHawk.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
I'm still waiting for my apology for your false accusation by the way. I'm sure I'll be waiting forever though because you are the type who is very good at demanding apologies for things that didn't happen to you from people who didn't do them but are VERY bad at giving apologies for personal wrongs you commit in the hear and now.
I think it's so funny how you despise the white New Agers who fund your radical activities. Lol
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
I just wish these people really understood how much you despise them then your I hate America funds would dry up.
I mean I don't like them either but they don't send thousands of dollars to me like they do Russel Means and others.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
There are no radical Native Groups in America...There are dangerous Whites groups like the KKK, Nazi's, the Mob, Hells Angels, Biker Gangs, street Gangs, Right Wing Extremist in America today.
LJM331 2 years ago
oh they are fingers LJ the finger neclace actually belonged to the cheyenne medicine men it is a very powerful and valuable necklace, not intended to be a trophy peice.
905ruthless905 2 years ago
was the fingers donated or taken?
LJM331 2 years ago
Oh wow look now they are fingers. The other day they were animal bones. When are you going to stop pretending you have any idea how Indian tribes in the 1800's back lived because obviously you don't.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
When you going to stop making excuses for your Evil Ancestor's imperialistic ways of life...Natives are more Peaceful...You Neo Conseratives love War and throw White Power at the World...Whites have enslaved and caused the Deaths of over 300 Million People around the World and through out History.
LJM331 2 years ago
I love you. You're my favorite poster. You prove to the world how intellectually bankrupt everything you believe is. I don't know what I'd do without you. :)
You make demonstrable error after error and what do you? You just keep posting like you still have credibility and you are benefiting your side.
Many thanks LJ :)
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Us Natives need to tell our side of the story too...Alot of Whites have altered history of the West.
LJM331 2 years ago
LJM331. You are a Native brother, but I must tell you that Native Americans were not as peaceful as you think. As a Lakota, I can say with honesty that my ancestors "loved" war too. They took pride in being warriors, it was their culture. They removed many tribes during their westward migration. By many tribes I mean the Pawnee, Arikara, Crow, Cheyenne, Kiowa, Hidatsa, and Mandan. During raids they would some times kill women and children. Some times they would take them away and adopt them.
akichita87 2 years ago
I guess the Shoshone babies hands were donated lol. You are a piece of work.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Those Child Molesters should be hunted down and giving the gas chambers.
LJM331 2 years ago
i hate child mollesters more than i hate FBI agents
905ruthless905 2 years ago
Yeah you probably won't find many people to argue with you on that. :)
That and this AIM business is really late 20th century stuff and off topic to the video but LJ likes to talk about it so I indulge him.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
7th You are a very racist Person...You are only searching for Bias Info...Whites raged War on the World and eachother , Whites have done alot worse...Your Video sounds over exaggerated.
LJM331 2 years ago
How is the video ''over exaggerated'' exactly LJ?
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
All those old News Papers are Bias
LJM331 2 years ago
All the old Indian accounts are biased.
Wow look I can do it too.
The Newspapers were biased towards the Pawnees?
You're denying the death and mutilation of Indian women and childern LJ. Very racist on your part!
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Most of the Tribes of the west resisted the Settlers because of what happend to the eastern Tribes...They were forced to fight or die...
LJM331 2 years ago
I don't know if you missed the video LJ. Looks like it was pretty much fight or die anyway. Whiteman or no whiteman.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Also since you surrender more than 100 years ago it's obviously wasn't that much fight or die, was it?
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
The White Man will continue to make reasons to justify themselves.
LJM331 2 years ago
Unlike you who never even have to justify what you've done you're just given a free pass.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
y yall arguing 4? . yes we are still being raped for our lands. we have an occupation site up here where i live. We are still being killed through statistics...highest suicide, abortion and miscarriage rates. not to mention abuse of our women as well as substances.and alcohol this war is never over bc they didnt win. we are here to stay, they cannot kill our spirit and our ways. they have tried everything and FAILED. from residential schools to straight murders that are filed as suicides
905ruthless905 2 years ago
we are strong because of our history. build my brother, have beautiful Anishinabe babies and teach them your tongue and teachings. Dont give in to the hate, thats not what we are about. pride and honor my brothers. if you dont know much about your history and past go talk with an elder and bring tobacco. learn and pass it down. dont let our ways die. learn to drum and sing, or be a storyteller, teach the language that way our ancesters didnt die in vain.
905ruthless905 2 years ago
why did they kill our ppl for ghostdancing? out of fear. why did they try to disband A.I.M. by killing or putting their leaders like Leonard Peltier in prison? Fear. Why did the shoot and kill Dudley George at Oka? Fear. Im not saying the average white person fears us, but the government sure does. They NEED the army to come in when we come together. its not that we outnumber them...its bc our spirit is unbreakable. they know that thats y they get shook when we unite.
905ruthless905 2 years ago
Leonard Peltier is in prison for murdering FBI agents. You can say he's ''framed'' but that is why he's there. Anna Mae Aquash another AIM activist was murdered by AIM members in 1975 because she knew Peltier killed the FBI agents. Anna was a Micmac Indian. Go ask Anna's daughters Denise and Debbie who killed the FBI agents and their mother.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Those were peaceful protest...The Fascist Government invaded with Tanks and heavily armed Feds trying to break it up (then all hell broke loose)...Whites like to talk about free speech, but you try to shut People up
Whites have alot of serial Killers cuting bodies up through out history and today...You have alot of Insane People...
LJM331 2 years ago
Oh ''those'' were peaceful protests were they? Since you are saying ''those'' you are referring back to something we are already talking about. Which means you think Leonard Peltier and Ann Mae Aquash have something to do with protests and the siege at Wounded Knee in 1973 which they don't.
White people have serial killers do they? Yeah they sure do.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
They don't have community scalp dances though. They can't walk around with necklaces of fingers on in a public environment and everybody thinks its ok. If some white guy is hacking people up kind of has to keep it to himself. No so much in these old Indian tribes.
Which I'm not saying makes the Indians of the olden days good or bad. Just saying that's the way it was. These mutilations were cultural practices not unacceptable cultural deviancy like in the cases of serial killers.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Community scalp dances? Whites hung the scalps some of the Dakota and hung it up for display...Only psychotic People got scalped...The Soldiers killed many Woman, Children and Elders in very vicious ways, it is why some Warriors from certian Tribes Scalped...Not all Natives Scalped...
When the Nazi's fell towards the end of World War ll many Germans captured and mutilated the Nazi leaders...When People are oppressed they violently lash out...Thats Human Nature...
LJM331 2 years ago
The Union and Confederates didn't scalp each other. The British and French didn't scalp each other in Europe and not for the most part in America. The Americans and Mexicans didn't scalp each other in the Mexican American war.
Realize how when you remove the Indians from these situations the scalping, torture, killing of noncombatant women and childern for the most part disappears?
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
The first Colonist burned many Natives alive, they killed in the name of God ...the same thing happend to The Pagan, Irish and Celtic People in Europe...
Go ahead and keep up with your lies
LJM331 2 years ago
Only ''psychotic'' people got scalped did they? So the Pawnee women and childern in this video were psychos according to you LJ?
These Pawnee women and childern were opresssing the Lakota Sioux!
These Pawnee's are the equivalent Nazis LJ says!
Oh wait thats right this never happened because it doesn't fit into LJs world view.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Walking around with necklaces of fingers? You're a Idiot.
If a Native did something bad they are always punished to the full extent of the Law...Whites get away with alot of Crimes against my People...What about all those Child molesters? many are still around.
Why do Native People suffer the most hate crimes in America...The hate continues...Look up hate crimes against Native Americans.
LJM331 2 years ago
Hey LJ maybe you in your infinite wisdom could enlighten me how pointing out that the Indians had things like finger necklaces makes me an ''idiot.'' If anybody doubts their existence they can go see a picture of the Cheyenne Indian High Wolf's finger necklace that was found after the Dull Knife fight in my new Pawnee Scout video. All the Indians whose fingers that necklace was made from must have been psychos! Of thats right it never happened all made up.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Those are from Animals Bones...You nothing of Native Cultures...You're Bias.
LJM331 2 years ago
lol, have you seen the video? They are obviously not animal bones. They are finger bones the skin is still on it and you can see the finger nails!
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
I mean they aren't just bones, the skin and finger nail are still on them there is no mistaking it.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Ah child molesters like the John Boone guy you mentioned before? The guy who was molesting kids out at the Hopi reservation for 11 years. I did a bit of research on old Boone and you know what I found out?
The Hopi tribal chairman knew that Boone was molesting kids at least SIX YEARS before he was arrested and did NOTHING!
Ivan Sidney was the Chief of the US BIA Tribal Police force at the HOPI reservation in 1981 when it was first brought to his attention that Boone was molesting kids.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
What is his excuse for doing nothing? Oh well he was elected tribal chairman so he couldn't investigate it anymore! HE ADMITS THAT HE KNEW AND DID NOTHING!
I'm going to post the link to the newspaper article from 1989 in the sidebar so everyone can read it LJ.
The child molesters were able to do what they did because the corrupt and derelict Indian officials let it happen.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
lmao community scalp dances
905ruthless905 2 years ago
Sorry 7th but Anna Mae Aquash was murdered by agents with the Federal Bureau of Intimidation because of her involvment in trying to derail the uraniun mining on secred lands. And as Peltier goes thats just a big mess. If he did kill the FBI agent, which personally i hope that he did and should have taken more, they couldnt prove it, and lied and got caught in court. i dont think of this as a white and red issue. i am far from a racist, i consider this a whole other issue all together.
905ruthless905 2 years ago
Well 905 I saw that you were trying to frame your issues in more of a government abuse of power way before when you posted which I think is smart. It could possibly convert many people to your view if it was constantly framed in that manner by others.
As far as Anna Mae Aquash goes her children say AIM members killed her and I think they would want the real killers punished and not be covering for the FBI.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Whether two FBI agents deserved to be killed by Leonard Peltier, well if that's what you think that's what you think. I know one shouldn't be surprised to end up in prison when they shoot federal agents.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
normally i wouldnt condone the killing of anyone, but i honestly believe that they were there on a totally different agenda that the public was lead to believe. honestly that is just my opinion (as well as thousands of other people eg. Robert Redford and Nelson mandela) personally i wasnt there, and most likely not anyone contributing to this thread. I am glad to see that ppl still find these issues worthy of a good debate :)
905ruthless905 2 years ago
Go ask Darlene Nichols, former wife of AIM leader Dennis Banks who killed the FBI agents, she'll say Peltier confessed and bragged about to a group of AIM members.
According to Nichols, Peltier said of killing the FBI agent ''The mother fucker was begging for his life, but I shot him anyway.'' And so he (or some AIM member at least) did in the back of the head execution style.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Nobody wanted Wounded Knee to happen the way it did. Shots were fired in a tense situation.
In January 1891 somewhere around 4,000 Sioux who General Miles had surrounded surrendered to him without incident.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Good advice. No disagreement there.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
I don't think it is fair to blame the government for high suicide, abortion, and substance abuse rates. Those are all voluntary actions on the part of individuals. I'm no fan of the government myself but if they truly wanted you all dead then I have to believe that after a period of over 100 years you would be.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
Alot of Natives suffered Trauma from all the abuse...U.S Soldiers today suffer PTS, the suicide rate is high amoung them, it's called Trauma...You lived a life of no violence, you don't know how it is to witness horror...serving in Iraq has affected me, but I went to my Elders, they helped me get throw it...WAR IS HELL!!!
LJM331 2 years ago
i feel so digusted of myself that , i being american have to speak and write - ENGLAND's english language and script - lost identity .... my identity , is drug sex shopping and party ..... BUT I AM A PROUD AMERICAN ..... culture and tradition are for VULTURES !
MrQuoluxducit 2 years ago
English has always been the language of the United States of America.
If you are referring to the continent of North or South America there has NEVER at anytime in history been a nationality or ethnic identity that has been associated with the entire continent.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
If you are truly descended of American Indians they would not have identified themselves as American or Indians but with some sort of tribal designation that would not have seen itself as connected with all the other tribes living on what would become the American continents.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
red man killed another red man
red man also killed white man
white man killed red man
and white man also killed
another white man
is there any difference between the white (killer) and red (killer) ?
ArseneLupin2009 2 years ago
How is the video on the Pawnee Battalion progressing? I am truly looking forward to it. It should be fantastic.
jackrusseltrail 2 years ago
It's going well the text is finished. It's just putting it togther with pictures and music now.
7thUSCavalryman 2 years ago
ur the one ranting and raving. hes just reacting to what your saying. dude i feel your pain. i really do. all us natives got fucked. but its over now man. be proud of your indian nation. dont start acting like a drunk dumb indian like we've placed to be. be better than that man.
PawneeSavage 2 years ago
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LJM331 2 years ago
alright just keep it chill
PawneeSavage 2 years ago