You are a fraud and a coward. You want a monologue not a dialogue. You want to be able to endlessly post scriptures WITHOUT any reasonable exegesis at all and leave it at that as if you've proven something when you haven't proven anything at all. All you've proven is that you can't give a clear answer to a straightforward question. And now you wont even engage on a straightforward Psalm.
And you demonstrate that you have so little understanding of the gospel that you don't even understand the arguments that Paul presents in the first three chapters of his Epistle to the Romans. I gave you verses from Romans 3 to read in addition to what I told you about the gospel yet there is no indication you have even bothered to read it, let alone respond at all.
Don't tell me you understand or lecture me on something you can't even respond to.
Here's what you've shown: You can post scriptures all day without any exegesis and pat yourself on the back thinking you're doing really well - but when it comes to actually expounding scripture, getting into any detail and discussing what scripture actually says - you have nothing to offer because the Watchtower does your thinking for you. You can't engage with scripture at a level of understanding where tit for tat posting of verses without any exegesis becomes a useless exercise.
When challenged to engage with scripture at a meaningful level where real exegesis of the text is actually required - You can't do it and you have nothing to offer anyone.
How can someone like you tell anyone anything when you're incapable of dealing with the real issues and with scripture in any real way?
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”
The end of this system in which satan rules is almost here.
Ah so buried in your spam somewhere we finally see 1 Corinthians 15:3-4... But wasn't it hard getting to that? And I wonder if you would have posted that at all if you hadn't watched a Paul Washer video? I somehow think it wouldn't have happened at all.
It looks to me like you neither understand nor believe the gospel at all. You only quoted from 1st Corinthians because of Paul Washer. But the gospel you preach is one where the cross of Christ is absent, there is no spiritual kingdom, there is no divine Christ, no trinity, and you require people to seek to be made righteous by works of the law.
So what do we have? An anti-Christian 'gospel' that denies the divinity of Christ and offers no assurance of salvation, only law.
It looks to me like you neither understand nor believe the Gospel of Christ at all. You seem to have made the defense against the apostate belief that Jesus was not resurrected your complete gospel. The false gospel you and Mr. Washer preach is one of the cross, with no physical kingdom, a trinity and one in which faith alone provides and maintains salvation.
So what do we have here? An anti-Christian 'gospel' that denies the unique divinity of Jehovah.
Except that you have not offered me the gospel at all. You've only mentioned 1st Corinthians 15 in passing because it had already been pointed out to you in a Paul Washer video. It wasn't part of your message though which was couched in a slanted view of scripture that assiduously avoided the gospel itself and even denied it by making adherence to the law a requirement for salvation. You've rejected the gospel.
So where does this leave you? It leaves you quoting, and at the same time denying the very gospel you claim to preach. It's not just that you deny the deity of Christ, you deny the gospel that is by grace alone through faith, the gospel that so much time is taken in the scriptures to explain to you - yet you have rejected it.
No one can be made righteous before God by works of the law, yet to be made righteous before God in this way is exactly what you seek.
@Keruaran posted, " that so much time is taken in the scriptures to explain to you".
I have quoted several dozen scriptures to support my arguments. You have ignored them and called them, 'spam'. You only provided one scripture.
So, where does that leave you. You not only deny that Jehovah is God, placing Him in a trinity. No one can be made righteous by following Athanasian herecies or Hellinistic additions to the faith and yet, that is exactly what you seek.
You only post scripture that you believe you can present to support your views. You ignore scripture that actually explains the gospel. You have not even touched that. And you say I deny Jehovah is God? Really?
Well, lets look at that... Can you tell me who the prayer in Psalm 102 is directed at?
And how about you actually get to the gospel in scripture rather than merely aping my posts in a very lame attempt to throw them back at me? If you want to play legalistic games of righteousness by works - you will NEVER be righteous before God, in fact, you can NEVER be righteous before God on your own terms at all.
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;
Revelation 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi′cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
3 For I handed on to YOU, among the first things, that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; 4 and that he was buried, yes, that he has been raised up the third day according to the Scriptures; 5 and that he appeared to Ce′phas, then to the twelve.
Although not the Gospel or Christ, there is Gospel about Christ.
1 Cor 15:15 Now I make known to YOU, brothers, the good news which I declared to YOU, which YOU also received, in which YOU also stand, 2 through which YOU are also being saved, with the speech with which I declared the good news to YOU, if YOU are holding it fast, unless, in fact, YOU became believers to no purpose.
Isaiah 55:10 For just as the pouring rain descends, and the snow, from the heavens and does not return to that place, unless it actually saturates the earth and makes it produce and sprout, and seed is actually given to the sower and bread to the eater, 11 so my word that goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted, and it will have certain success in that for which I have sent it.
Isaiah 55:8 “For the thoughts of YOU people are not my thoughts, nor are my ways YOUR ways,” is the utterance of Jehovah. 9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than YOUR ways, and my thoughts than YOUR thoughts.
Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child will certainly play upon the hole of the cobra; and upon the light aperture of a poisonous snake will a weaned child actually put his own hand. 9 They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain; because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea.
Isaiah 11:6 And the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them. 7 And the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull.
Psalm 65:21 And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage. 22 They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full.
Psalm 67:6 The earth itself will certainly give its produce; God, our God, will bless us.
Psalm 72:16 There will come to be plenty of grain on the earth; On the top of the mountains there will be an overflow. His fruit will be as in Leb′a·non, And those who are from the city will blossom like the vegetation of the earth.
Isaiah 35:6 At that time the lame one will climb up just as a stag does, and the tongue of the speechless one will cry out in gladness. For in the wilderness waters will have burst out, and torrents in the desert plain. 7 And the heat-parched ground will have become as a reedy pool, and the thirsty ground as springs of water. In the abiding place of jackals, a resting-place for [them], there will be green grass with reeds and papyrus plants
Isaiah 2:4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore
Isaiah 35:1 The wilderness and the waterless region will exult, and the desert plain will be joyful and blossom as the saffron.
Matthew 6:9 “YOU must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.
What will the Kingdom bring:
Psalms 46:9 He is making wars to cease to the extremity of the earth. The bow he breaks apart and does cut the spear in pieces; The wagons he burns in the fire.
Preaching the good news of the Kingdom of God is not a requirement to attain everlasting life, however those who love Jehovah God with all their heart, mind and strength will do so, out of love for and gratitude for the love God has shown them, by making attonement through Jesus possible. The arrangement is you sin, you die, end of you. But, the use of Jesus as sacrificial ram for all of mankind, alters that arrangment and makes everlasting life possible.
Revelations 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband; 3 and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them; (RSV)
As a Christian I hold to a very high view of scripture: It is the Holy word of God, it is inspired by God and inerrant. This means that I must accept all that scripture has to say. Do you believe all that scripture has to say? Or just those parts that you like and believe fit into your doctrinal tradition? Because the most serious issue at stake here before anything else, is how you treat scripture.
@Keruaran posted, "Do you believe all that scripture has to say? Or just those parts that you like and believe fit into your doctrinal tradition? "
By completely ignoring the numerous examples I just cited favouring subordinated Christology and retaining your traditional doctrinal belief in the heretical Athunasian trinity, that is exactly what you are doing.
The scriptures are the Holy word of God, it is inspired by God and inerrant, although your translation may be in error.
Would you mind actually responding to my post instead of making a new post and putting "@Keruaran" in front of it, thus guaranteeing that I wont get it in my inbox? It's actually quite rude.
I haven't ignored the scriptures you have cited. I can post no shortage of passages supporting the deity of Christ and we could play tit for tat all day. This wont make any difference at all because, as I have pointed out, I accept all of what scripture has to say and not just a view that I try to impose on scripture that ignores or tries to be deliberately obscurantist with anything that is problematic for the Watchtower organisation.
John 20:17, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Acts 17:31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
do you have biblical support that Jesus was not God the son? or that he might have been an angel like the agel Michael or Gabriel? in the year 2000 Jehova witnesses were on the tops of hills and mountains waiting for some1, someof them were even going in the trees to wait for the some1.. what jehova witnesses believ is something very contradictory to Genesis, where God cursed this world; they believe that the new jerusalem will be on earth... my friend get your story srtaight, get well
Do you pray to the holy spirit? Or do you pray FOR Holy spirit? Wow, so hard to keep organized with the trinity. Oh! Did the trinity draw straws to see which one would suffer torture then impalement? I mean, who made the decision for it to be the son, cause my bible says at John 3:16 that God sent his only begotten son. Hmmm strange. That word SENT Stands out, dont ya think?
No, I want the truth found in the scriptures. So I ask again. Who does almighty God pray to? Or I could answer for you! Nobody....see how easy that is. However your confusing Trinity insists that on occassion ''God the son'' prays to ''God the father'' and ''God the father as well as God the holy spirit'' as yet appear to pray to nobody.
while your playing history professor tell our captive audiance how long it took from the council at NICEA to the athanasian creed to solidify the doctrine? As you are well aware professor, the nicean creed in 325 only included the father and son. The final fantasy of all 3in 1 was in what year?? You are also aware "I hope" THAT the outstanding results of the Nicean Council were predominantly stopping Arian and his objections.
Dude, you need to run for office, you posses the most important quality....n active imagination. You definately need schooling. You realize NO TRINITY DEBATE CAN BE WON!!!! Lets make it easy. Who does Almighty God Jehovah pray to? Try answering just one question.
The Bible teaches the doctrine of the Trinity. It does so not by using the specific word "Trinity," but by teaching the three pillars that make up the doctrine:
1. There is only one true God, Jehovah, Creator of all things.
2. There are three divine Persons: Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.
3. The Bible teaches the full equality of these divine persons. This includes the deity of Christ and the person of the Holy Spirit.
@Keruaran posted, "3. The Bible teaches the full equality of these divine persons."
Well, we see Jesus praying to Jehovah, his Father, in John 17. I really don't remember any time that Jehovah prayed to Jesus (or anyone else). Are you sure they are equal?
Proverbs 8:23, From eternal days I was given my place, from the birth of time, before the earth was. (BBE)
Proverbs 8:24 When there were no depths I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water 25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills, I was brought forth; (KJV)
Colossians 1:15, He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation;
Colossians 1:15, He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation (ASV)
John 14:7, If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." (NIV)
Jesus is the exact image of His creator. As the 'only' begotten Son of God, He is the only thing Jehovah God ever created directly. Jesus, the Word of God and the Wisdom of God, represents His invisible Father and allows us to know God through Him. (NIV)
Genesis 1:1, In the beginning elohim spoke the heavens and earth.
Jehovah spoke things into existance. At His direction Jesus did the actual creating, using the infinite power of His Fathers holy spirit.
Jesus is no mere angel. In fact, He and His Father created the angels long before this physical plane. Jesus has been given all power and authority and rules on behalf of His Father, who told us to worship His Son.
John 3:16, For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. (RSV)
Romans 5:15, But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift in the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. (RSV)
John 3:36, He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him. (RSV)
John 5:28, Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment. (RSV)
Daniel 2:44, And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever; (RSV)
Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. (RSV)
And you didn't explicitly mention the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ at all. Now you want to say it was somehow included without having really said so? But clearly your problem here is the deity of Christ since you devote 99% of your time to attacking this rather than explaining the gospel at all.
Basically, you know you didn't offer anything approximating the gospel as we find it in scripture. You know what you offered was totally inadequate. And since you're referring to Paul Washer, what is it about what Paul Washer says that you don't like? Especially since he stands upon scripture.
@Keruaran posted, "You know what you offered was totally inadequate".
My gospel is the same as Jesus' gospel. The problems caused by satan and mankind's rebellion against Jehovah God will soon be resolved by the establishment on Earth of God's kingdom, in which people who obey God can live forever in bliss.
How to become one of those is another issue. What I offered was adequate.
So... your 'gospel' still consists of attacks on the deity of Christ and the establishment on Earth of God's kingdom in which people "who obey God" can live forever in bliss?
@Keruaran posted, "the establishment on Earth of God's kingdom in which people who obey God can live forever in bliss? But that's not the gospel in the Bible.".
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people. (Matthew 4:23)
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. (Matthew 9:35)
Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and THE KINGDOM OF GOD is at hand. repent, and BELIEVE IN THE GOSPEL." (Mark 1:14-15)
» [Jesus] said to them, "I MUST PREACH THE KINFDOM OF GOD to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent." (Luke 4:43)
» Now it came to pass, afterward, that [Jesus] went through every city and village, PREACHING and bringing the glad tidings [gospel] of THE KINGDOM OF GOD. (Luke 8:1)
» And this GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:14)
The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the KINGDOM OF GOD has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it. And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail. (Luke 16:16-17)
Caps mine. The message was adequate for Jesus and so for me.
So, your gospel message involves an elaborate spiel that is focused on first denying the deity of Christ before anything else? Am I understanding clearly?
@Keruaran posted, "So, your gospel message involves an elaborate spiel that is focused on first denying the deity of Christ before anything else? Am I understanding clearly?"
Please note the nature of the video in which we are discussing off topic.
Your view of Christ is wrong, your view of God is wrong, and I have a hunch your view of prayer is probably also wrong. To attempt to answer without first correcting your faulty presuppositions legitimises a question that is clearly leading based upon erroneous presuppositions.
ie. You're trying to get the answer you want based upon your own presuppositions. You are not endeavouring to arrive at the truth according to the scriptures.
And if buying into Constantines Trinity is not bad enough, the other area we disagree on is hell. Any truthful attempt at learning about the bible reveals that hell is another pagan adopted doctrine. Hell or hades in greek is THE GRAVE Thats right!!!! Dead id dead, not alive in hell.
There is no "Constantines Trinity" that is an egregious revising of history that completely throws out the facts. The Trinity pre-dates Constantine, not to mention the fact that Constantine had nothing to do with the Nicene Creed. And if you're going to try and misrepresent the many who were present at the Council: This council took place a mere 12 years after the Diocletian persecutions ended. MANY of those present were Confessors who suffered for Christ.
just to ensure complete accuracy of what I wrote, we do have one disagreement with ''the cross'', it is stauros or stake and implies a single post. The word is used frequently in the bible and in every place used it means '' one beam'' NEVER A CROSS. Constantine saw a cross in a vision.
Roman crucifixion is an established fact of history. Jesus crucifixion on a Roman cross is well established in the New Testament and has nothing whatsoever to do with Constantine.
I'm curious. Do Jehovah's witnesses believe that Jesus is the Son of God? That he died on the cross so that our sins may be forgiven and that He was raised from the dead? Do they believe Jesus is the Way, Truth, and Life and that no man can come to the Father except through Him. Do they believe Jesus is Lord? I have always had a biased towards JW because that what I was programmed to do. Just curious about their beliefs.
@L33thalLee Yes we believe ALL OF THAT, however those arguing with me on here DO NOT!! They will tell you they do, but thats until you ask them if Jesus is God. Then it gets complicated because they begin to try and teach you what they themselves dont really understand "the trinity" Its nonsense and a lie, and teaches that Jesus is GOD THE SON not The son of God (as the bible teaches) So in response to your question We believe in everything you wrote.
I will give you a hint. Most prophetic scriptures are cleverly intended to see more than one level of fulfillment or at least deeper fulfillment than was expected. Example/ Jews knew that ''all nations'' would be blessed by abrahams seed yet after Jesus told them to include gentiles MANY WERE NOT WILLING TO ADJUST. The scriptures I gave you are prophetic for the changing of the name of Gods people. YOU DONT SEE OR ACCEPT IT.
Acts chapter 15 addresses exactly what it says it does. And Paul does as well in his epistles. You don't want to see nor accept the reality of the gospel itself because you have rejected it. You cannot see, because you do not want to see.
You can't offer anyone any "hint" because you simply don't know what you're talking about and you never read what I posted properly either. You who thinks himself a teacher are yourself unteachable.
You clearly dont understand the lie regarding the trinity and one obstacle which may be blocking your view is HUMILITY. I gave you the most simple and direct instructions to follow, yet here we are several correspondances laterm with only one result. Non compliance. How can you LEARN that way?
Non compliance? Who do you think you are? Your attitude is not merely ridiculous, its offensive. This might work when you lord it over people in your little cult but it doesn't work on me. You wanted to play a game instead of making your point. You are completely full of it.
I dont need to make my point since you are making it for me. Is it just a game for you? Try writng the ACTUALscriptures out on here and then tell me what they mean, they are NOT about circumsician.
People like you are amazing. All you do is waste time and play a game, then you try to accuse the other person of playing a game. You are an absolute time waster.
@aservantofjehovah Nice. Several months ago I was in a depressed state about not knowing whether God was a trinity or not. I asked for holy spirit and that very verse was what I read. Jesus plainly says that Jehovah is his God and our God. His Father and our Father." How could he say that so simply if he was refering to himself as 1/3 of God being with the other 1/3 of God that makes up 3/3 God? And where are the moments in acts where the trnity is explained to former pagans?
i need to put post on this tread, because this is a crap. You show christianity like catholic teaches only! and christian is not catholic only. yes that is like you post in clip for catholic, they are killed people, and they are killed christian to, not just the others. the Christian trinity is true! that is God-true-spirit. God = god father, Christ = son of the God (who give us true), and spirit like you said force of God. So that is real Christian trinity. Catholic is not christian!!!!
They will continuously engage in misrepresentation because they are Jehovas Witnesses peddling their cult doctrines and preying upon the ignorance of those who don't know the Bible, nor are grounded in sound doctrine.
In Acts 15 an argument had arisen in the Church because certain Jews were telling Gentiles, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” (v1). In v14 & 17 James supports Peter's statement (v7-11) that the Gentiles should not be burdened with laws that the Jews themselves couldn't keep when the grace of God was already manifest among the gentiles apart from Mosaic law.
@littleamigos come on, kids grow up from there fairytales why can't some grown-ups?
and honestly that question is pointless... you and I cannot disprove unicorns, leprechauns, santa, or the "FACT" that there is an invisible magical teapot on the darkside of the moon. The onus is on YOU to display something that cannot be grasped to be there... i also can't prove Krishna, zeus, apollo, allah, yahweh, and the million other morality-less "gods" out there to be non-existent, and you also can not!
@buktomsin ... either way, this "wonderful" satanic system you live in won't be here all that long .... so, "enjoy" it while it lasts.... I hope that when it collapses, it won't have any bearing on you whatsoever.... oh and your opinion = fail :)
@littleamigos wow you must've been indoctrinated early... any organization that denies Evolution by natural selection is absurd. and my opinion is derived from FACTS that JW's falsely predicted certain dates to hold bearing. which never did let up... 1914 1925 1975... but to really prove a point i dare your severely deluded brain to visit JWfacts.com look up false prophecies. and to prove your judeo-christian abrahamic god doesn't exist is easy, something that is invisible unobservable=not there
@littleamigos its laughable any female believes the NT and OT the way they treated woman is awful. apparently YOU are NOT allowed to TEACH or SPEAK in the congregation of god, paul states to the ladies and gents of 1Corinth. oh yea and im better than "jehovah" as far as morals go, woman in my "opinion"(which you state "fails")should be treated as equals! slaves are blatantly not necessary! and if your the type that says they where treated good... read Exodus 21:20,21 Jehovah at his finest:) wow.
@buktomsin .... hey, like I said .... your opinion, in my opinion = fail. I hope you realize you are a slave yourself. Be happy my friend... good bye :)
Great job! You can see how they twisted Jesus words that he is like the father, that he is the same as the father,that he is in union with the father. They decreed God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
soothing music, but anglo saxons didn't write the bible. they tried to use religion as control..so why, If you wish to speak truth , do you not quote the ancient writings and not convienant words to suit the denominations who choose to split Adonai's word in two..to learn , is to live my son..If you truly want to find God, search his true words not the words of churches that use political means for domination. I am a messianic jew and we read both old and new testaments(covenants) in the ancient
however by what this poster said in first part, ha didn`t mean any one ever must nor should be killed no; all human-beings must be left alive; this is their right.
ALL you say is sheer truth except for paul having ever been an apostle. yes trinity= tritheism but this has nothing to do with paul`s status in church.
however by what this poster said in first part, ha didn`t mean any one ever must nor should be killed no; all human-beings must be left alive; this is their right.
"... the central purpose of Scripture is to reveal the Lord Jesus Christ. This is true of the Old Testament as well as the New." - Martyn Lloyd-Jones
Jesus himself bore witness to this: "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me." (John 5:39)
Jhn 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 "Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him.
I wish you the same joy, peace and happiness I have found in my religion of choice. Hope you find, where ever that may be. I won't allow you to disturb my peace.... Janice :)
@littleamigos when you baptise people do you use the tiltles as in matt28:19? or do you obey acts 2:38? another question is when the Israelites desired a king like the other nations had; Gd allowed this and their first king was Saul. who was their King before Saul? please just answer these questions without asking other questions, thank you
OH BOY, here we go.... sorry Janice, but I could give it two farts what CTR had or didn't have on his grave, it has NOTHING to do with what JW's are today and what JW's believe today. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your statement btw. Interesting how ex- JW's keep regurgitating the same old tired arguments. **SIGH** Be happy my friend.
they furthered the lie of trinity towards pagan gods by informing that Jesus was born on 25th December...jus like alot of pagan gods, so as we worship paganism on christmas, false idols and lies
A reason that disfellowshiped people feel such guilt is because they know what they've done wrong and know its the truth. Someone doesn't get disfellowshiped right on the spot of committing something wrong. The Elders and ones in the congregation continue to help that spiritually sick one. And if that person wants to continue to live a course of life that God disapproves of then that person must be disfellowshiped for the sake of the congregations spiritual cleanliness and protection from.......
....an unrepentant sinner. And also it will help the unrepentant one to see how serious of a sin he's committed. The Witnesses follow as to what Gods word says on these matters, not man. I've had a few friends and family be disfellowshipped and realized the serious of their course of life and came back. They've said the only time they felt horrible is because of the guilt they held from living a way that is detestable to Jehovah. I too know of this feeling. No one can say i dont understand.
By the way, i love these videos. I'm currently reading "Mankinds Search for God" and it is very interesting to know where these doctrines came from such as the Trinity, and the idols used in different religions and how they all have a connection to each other and their origin, VERY interesting. Oh and love the back music, i know exactly what movie it comes from HAHAHA.
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@JahsProphecy I'm sure you understand a great deal about dis-fellowship, but do you understand it from an outside perspective? It is interesting to hear the testimonials of the dis-fellowshiped, especially those who were expelled for questioning doctrine. This concern about the "cleanliness" of the congregation perplexes me as well.
Like i said, they're not disfellowshipped on the spot. Elders will talk with them, their fellow Christians will also help them understand. It's the ones in the congregation that start to create sects and rivalries in the congregation that get disfellowshipped. The ones trying to disrupt the unity of Jehovah's people. Disfellowshipping is scriptural and the Witnesses follow the Bible and it's principles and commands to the best imperfect humanly possible. I can understand it from all angles.
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I guess because the JWs hate the Nicean Council so much they also support Gnosticism based on the hose 666 pictures..... thats the kind of logic used in these videos.. I'd like a JW to tell me when they've gone to a Christian service & there were 3 altars there where the Christians prayed to all three deities.... if anything JW are polytheistic denying the godhead. Jesus and God are apparently separate right? So which is it? Jesus isn't divine/not worth scriptural ref or your polytheistic...
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@T.I. 5:31 is claims scriptures Proverbs 8:22 is not even TALKING about Jesus, but about WISDOM..read the context people!! Col 1:15 saying Jesus is the firstborn over all creation, but that means that he was the first to be born INTO the Kingdom of God after once being a HUMAN, dying then being resurrected. Rev 3:!4, same thing, Jesus is the first of the creation of God meaning the first one to go through the process of dying and being BORN AGAIN INTO the Kingdom of GOD!!
Well, I think we can allow our gentle readers to look at my arguments and supporting scriptures and yours and make up there own minds.
IMJW1000 5 hours ago
@IMJW1000
You are a fraud and a coward. You want a monologue not a dialogue. You want to be able to endlessly post scriptures WITHOUT any reasonable exegesis at all and leave it at that as if you've proven something when you haven't proven anything at all. All you've proven is that you can't give a clear answer to a straightforward question. And now you wont even engage on a straightforward Psalm.
Absolutely pathetic.
Keruaran 4 hours ago
@IMJW1000
And you demonstrate that you have so little understanding of the gospel that you don't even understand the arguments that Paul presents in the first three chapters of his Epistle to the Romans. I gave you verses from Romans 3 to read in addition to what I told you about the gospel yet there is no indication you have even bothered to read it, let alone respond at all.
Don't tell me you understand or lecture me on something you can't even respond to.
Keruaran 4 hours ago
@IMJW1000
Here's what you've shown: You can post scriptures all day without any exegesis and pat yourself on the back thinking you're doing really well - but when it comes to actually expounding scripture, getting into any detail and discussing what scripture actually says - you have nothing to offer because the Watchtower does your thinking for you. You can't engage with scripture at a level of understanding where tit for tat posting of verses without any exegesis becomes a useless exercise.
Keruaran 4 hours ago
@IMJW1000
When challenged to engage with scripture at a meaningful level where real exegesis of the text is actually required - You can't do it and you have nothing to offer anyone.
How can someone like you tell anyone anything when you're incapable of dealing with the real issues and with scripture in any real way?
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Matthew 28:18 And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”
The end of this system in which satan rules is almost here.
IMJW1000 12 hours ago
@IMJW1000
I asked you for the gospel, not pages of spam. Can you do that? Or am I wasting my time?
Keruaran 8 hours ago
@IMJW1000
Ah so buried in your spam somewhere we finally see 1 Corinthians 15:3-4... But wasn't it hard getting to that? And I wonder if you would have posted that at all if you hadn't watched a Paul Washer video? I somehow think it wouldn't have happened at all.
Keruaran 8 hours ago
@IMJW1000
It looks to me like you neither understand nor believe the gospel at all. You only quoted from 1st Corinthians because of Paul Washer. But the gospel you preach is one where the cross of Christ is absent, there is no spiritual kingdom, there is no divine Christ, no trinity, and you require people to seek to be made righteous by works of the law.
So what do we have? An anti-Christian 'gospel' that denies the divinity of Christ and offers no assurance of salvation, only law.
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IMJW1000 8 hours ago
@Keruaran
It looks to me like you neither understand nor believe the Gospel of Christ at all. You seem to have made the defense against the apostate belief that Jesus was not resurrected your complete gospel. The false gospel you and Mr. Washer preach is one of the cross, with no physical kingdom, a trinity and one in which faith alone provides and maintains salvation.
So what do we have here? An anti-Christian 'gospel' that denies the unique divinity of Jehovah.
IMJW1000 7 hours ago
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Except that you have not offered me the gospel at all. You've only mentioned 1st Corinthians 15 in passing because it had already been pointed out to you in a Paul Washer video. It wasn't part of your message though which was couched in a slanted view of scripture that assiduously avoided the gospel itself and even denied it by making adherence to the law a requirement for salvation. You've rejected the gospel.
And did you read Romans 3:10-30? No.
Keruaran 6 hours ago
@IMJW1000
So where does this leave you? It leaves you quoting, and at the same time denying the very gospel you claim to preach. It's not just that you deny the deity of Christ, you deny the gospel that is by grace alone through faith, the gospel that so much time is taken in the scriptures to explain to you - yet you have rejected it.
No one can be made righteous before God by works of the law, yet to be made righteous before God in this way is exactly what you seek.
Romans 3:10-30
Keruaran 8 hours ago
@Keruaran posted, " that so much time is taken in the scriptures to explain to you".
I have quoted several dozen scriptures to support my arguments. You have ignored them and called them, 'spam'. You only provided one scripture.
So, where does that leave you. You not only deny that Jehovah is God, placing Him in a trinity. No one can be made righteous by following Athanasian herecies or Hellinistic additions to the faith and yet, that is exactly what you seek.
IMJW1000 7 hours ago
@IMJW1000
You only post scripture that you believe you can present to support your views. You ignore scripture that actually explains the gospel. You have not even touched that. And you say I deny Jehovah is God? Really?
Well, lets look at that... Can you tell me who the prayer in Psalm 102 is directed at?
Keruaran 6 hours ago
@IMJW1000
And how about you actually get to the gospel in scripture rather than merely aping my posts in a very lame attempt to throw them back at me? If you want to play legalistic games of righteousness by works - you will NEVER be righteous before God, in fact, you can NEVER be righteous before God on your own terms at all.
Keruaran 6 hours ago
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"O Jehovah, do hear my prayer;O Jehovah, do hear my prayer;
And to you may my own cry for help come" ~ Psalm 102:1 (NWT)
The prayer is directed at Jehovah right? God, creator of the heavens and the earth, right?
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Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;
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And, there is the good news of these last days.
Revelation 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi′cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
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3 For I handed on to YOU, among the first things, that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; 4 and that he was buried, yes, that he has been raised up the third day according to the Scriptures; 5 and that he appeared to Ce′phas, then to the twelve.
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Although not the Gospel or Christ, there is Gospel about Christ.
1 Cor 15:15 Now I make known to YOU, brothers, the good news which I declared to YOU, which YOU also received, in which YOU also stand, 2 through which YOU are also being saved, with the speech with which I declared the good news to YOU, if YOU are holding it fast, unless, in fact, YOU became believers to no purpose.
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Isaiah 55:10 For just as the pouring rain descends, and the snow, from the heavens and does not return to that place, unless it actually saturates the earth and makes it produce and sprout, and seed is actually given to the sower and bread to the eater, 11 so my word that goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted, and it will have certain success in that for which I have sent it.
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How can we be sure this is true?
Isaiah 55:8 “For the thoughts of YOU people are not my thoughts, nor are my ways YOUR ways,” is the utterance of Jehovah. 9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than YOUR ways, and my thoughts than YOUR thoughts.
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Psalm 145:16 You are opening your hand And satisfying the desire of every living thing.
How can we gain this?
John 17:3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
1 John 2:17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.
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Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child will certainly play upon the hole of the cobra; and upon the light aperture of a poisonous snake will a weaned child actually put his own hand. 9 They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain; because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea.
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Isaiah 11:6 And the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them. 7 And the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull.
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Psalm 65:21 And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage. 22 They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full.
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Psalm 67:6 The earth itself will certainly give its produce; God, our God, will bless us.
Psalm 72:16 There will come to be plenty of grain on the earth; On the top of the mountains there will be an overflow. His fruit will be as in Leb′a·non, And those who are from the city will blossom like the vegetation of the earth.
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Isaiah 35:6 At that time the lame one will climb up just as a stag does, and the tongue of the speechless one will cry out in gladness. For in the wilderness waters will have burst out, and torrents in the desert plain. 7 And the heat-parched ground will have become as a reedy pool, and the thirsty ground as springs of water. In the abiding place of jackals, a resting-place for [them], there will be green grass with reeds and papyrus plants
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Isaiah 2:4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore
Isaiah 35:1 The wilderness and the waterless region will exult, and the desert plain will be joyful and blossom as the saffron.
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Jesus told us to pray for God's kingdom:
Matthew 6:9 “YOU must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.
What will the Kingdom bring:
Psalms 46:9 He is making wars to cease to the extremity of the earth. The bow he breaks apart and does cut the spear in pieces; The wagons he burns in the fire.
IMJW1000 15 hours ago
Preaching the good news of the Kingdom of God is not a requirement to attain everlasting life, however those who love Jehovah God with all their heart, mind and strength will do so, out of love for and gratitude for the love God has shown them, by making attonement through Jesus possible. The arrangement is you sin, you die, end of you. But, the use of Jesus as sacrificial ram for all of mankind, alters that arrangment and makes everlasting life possible.
IMJW1000 15 hours ago
So, how does one get into this paradise and avoid permenant death?
1) Love Jehovah God with all your heart, mind and strength.
2) Love your neighbor as you do yourself.
3) Accept the ransom sacrifice on your behalf of Jesus.
4) Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
5) Do not use blood.
6) Avoid idolalty.
7) Do not eat things that have been strangled.
8) Do not commit sexual imorality.
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Revelations 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband; 3 and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them; (RSV)
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@IMJW1000
As a Christian I hold to a very high view of scripture: It is the Holy word of God, it is inspired by God and inerrant. This means that I must accept all that scripture has to say. Do you believe all that scripture has to say? Or just those parts that you like and believe fit into your doctrinal tradition? Because the most serious issue at stake here before anything else, is how you treat scripture.
Keruaran 4 days ago
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@Keruaran posted, "Do you believe all that scripture has to say? Or just those parts that you like and believe fit into your doctrinal tradition? "
By completely ignoring the numerous examples I just cited favouring subordinated Christology and retaining your traditional doctrinal belief in the heretical Athunasian trinity, that is exactly what you are doing.
The scriptures are the Holy word of God, it is inspired by God and inerrant, although your translation may be in error.
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IMJW1000 4 days ago
@IMJW1000
Would you mind actually responding to my post instead of making a new post and putting "@Keruaran" in front of it, thus guaranteeing that I wont get it in my inbox? It's actually quite rude.
Keruaran 1 day ago
@IMJW1000
I haven't ignored the scriptures you have cited. I can post no shortage of passages supporting the deity of Christ and we could play tit for tat all day. This wont make any difference at all because, as I have pointed out, I accept all of what scripture has to say and not just a view that I try to impose on scripture that ignores or tries to be deliberately obscurantist with anything that is problematic for the Watchtower organisation.
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@Keruaran posted, "As a beleiver I must submit my intellect to the word of God even if I cannot fully explain it."
Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18, And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mark 16:19, So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
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John 8:40, But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God.
John 14:28, My Father is greater than I.
John 20:17, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Acts 17:31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
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do you have biblical support that Jesus was not God the son? or that he might have been an angel like the agel Michael or Gabriel? in the year 2000 Jehova witnesses were on the tops of hills and mountains waiting for some1, someof them were even going in the trees to wait for the some1.. what jehova witnesses believ is something very contradictory to Genesis, where God cursed this world; they believe that the new jerusalem will be on earth... my friend get your story srtaight, get well
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IMJW1000 1 week ago
Do you pray to the holy spirit? Or do you pray FOR Holy spirit? Wow, so hard to keep organized with the trinity. Oh! Did the trinity draw straws to see which one would suffer torture then impalement? I mean, who made the decision for it to be the son, cause my bible says at John 3:16 that God sent his only begotten son. Hmmm strange. That word SENT Stands out, dont ya think?
thejahoflife 2 months ago
No, I want the truth found in the scriptures. So I ask again. Who does almighty God pray to? Or I could answer for you! Nobody....see how easy that is. However your confusing Trinity insists that on occassion ''God the son'' prays to ''God the father'' and ''God the father as well as God the holy spirit'' as yet appear to pray to nobody.
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while your playing history professor tell our captive audiance how long it took from the council at NICEA to the athanasian creed to solidify the doctrine? As you are well aware professor, the nicean creed in 325 only included the father and son. The final fantasy of all 3in 1 was in what year?? You are also aware "I hope" THAT the outstanding results of the Nicean Council were predominantly stopping Arian and his objections.
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Dude, you need to run for office, you posses the most important quality....n active imagination. You definately need schooling. You realize NO TRINITY DEBATE CAN BE WON!!!! Lets make it easy. Who does Almighty God Jehovah pray to? Try answering just one question.
thejahoflife 2 months ago
@thejahoflife
The Bible teaches the doctrine of the Trinity. It does so not by using the specific word "Trinity," but by teaching the three pillars that make up the doctrine:
1. There is only one true God, Jehovah, Creator of all things.
2. There are three divine Persons: Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.
3. The Bible teaches the full equality of these divine persons. This includes the deity of Christ and the person of the Holy Spirit.
Keruaran 2 months ago
@Keruaran posted, "3. The Bible teaches the full equality of these divine persons."
Well, we see Jesus praying to Jehovah, his Father, in John 17. I really don't remember any time that Jehovah prayed to Jesus (or anyone else). Are you sure they are equal?
IMJW1000 1 week ago
@IMJW1000
Perhaps you should share with me the gospel? Can you tell me what the gospel is?
Keruaran 1 week ago
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@Keruaran posted, "Can you tell me what the gospel is?"
Since you ask, ok.
Revelations 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty. (ASV)
Proverbs 8:22, The LORD created me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old. (ASV)
After an infinity of being alone, Jehovah God decided to become a creator. First, He created Jesus.
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Proverbs 8:23, From eternal days I was given my place, from the birth of time, before the earth was. (BBE)
Proverbs 8:24 When there were no depths I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water 25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills, I was brought forth; (KJV)
Colossians 1:15, He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation;
Jesus is many, many eons old.
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Colossians 1:15, He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation (ASV)
John 14:7, If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." (NIV)
Jesus is the exact image of His creator. As the 'only' begotten Son of God, He is the only thing Jehovah God ever created directly. Jesus, the Word of God and the Wisdom of God, represents His invisible Father and allows us to know God through Him. (NIV)
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Proverbs 8:30 then I was beside him, like a master workman; and I was daily his delight, rejoicing before him always, (ASV)
John 1:3 all things were made through him [Jesus], and without him was not anything made that was made (RSV)
Once He was fully trained by Jehovah, Jesus helped Him create the angels, this physical plane, the Earth and us.
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Genesis 1:1, In the beginning elohim spoke the heavens and earth.
Jehovah spoke things into existance. At His direction Jesus did the actual creating, using the infinite power of His Fathers holy spirit.
Jesus is no mere angel. In fact, He and His Father created the angels long before this physical plane. Jesus has been given all power and authority and rules on behalf of His Father, who told us to worship His Son.
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My gospel, or good news is:
John 3:16, For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. (RSV)
Romans 5:15, But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift in the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. (RSV)
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John 3:36, He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him. (RSV)
John 5:28, Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment. (RSV)
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Daniel 2:44, And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever; (RSV)
Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. (RSV)
IMJW1000 1 day ago
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Ok... so we've had a long spiel attacking the deity of Christ and something about the kingdom etc etc... So, this is your gospel?
Keruaran 23 hours ago
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I want to be absolutely certain here. This is it? This is your whole 'gospel' message? You don't want to tell me anything else at all?
Keruaran 23 hours ago
@Keruaran tried to pull a Washer.
Be advised that the ransom sacrifice I spoke of includes both the death and resurection of Christ Jesus.
IMJW1000 19 hours ago
@IMJW1000
And you didn't explicitly mention the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ at all. Now you want to say it was somehow included without having really said so? But clearly your problem here is the deity of Christ since you devote 99% of your time to attacking this rather than explaining the gospel at all.
Keruaran 19 hours ago
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@Keruaran posted, " clearly your problem here is the deity of Christ".
I don't have a problem. The Satanic belief in an unholy trinity is what this vdeo is about. Anything else is off topic.
IMJW1000 19 hours ago
@IMJW1000
Basically, you know you didn't offer anything approximating the gospel as we find it in scripture. You know what you offered was totally inadequate. And since you're referring to Paul Washer, what is it about what Paul Washer says that you don't like? Especially since he stands upon scripture.
Keruaran 19 hours ago
@Keruaran posted, "You know what you offered was totally inadequate".
My gospel is the same as Jesus' gospel. The problems caused by satan and mankind's rebellion against Jehovah God will soon be resolved by the establishment on Earth of God's kingdom, in which people who obey God can live forever in bliss.
How to become one of those is another issue. What I offered was adequate.
IMJW1000 19 hours ago
@IMJW1000
So... your 'gospel' still consists of attacks on the deity of Christ and the establishment on Earth of God's kingdom in which people "who obey God" can live forever in bliss?
But that's not the gospel in the Bible.
Keruaran 18 hours ago
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@Keruaran posted, "the establishment on Earth of God's kingdom in which people who obey God can live forever in bliss? But that's not the gospel in the Bible.".
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people. (Matthew 4:23)
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And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. (Matthew 9:35)
Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and THE KINGDOM OF GOD is at hand. repent, and BELIEVE IN THE GOSPEL." (Mark 1:14-15)
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» [Jesus] said to them, "I MUST PREACH THE KINFDOM OF GOD to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent." (Luke 4:43)
» Now it came to pass, afterward, that [Jesus] went through every city and village, PREACHING and bringing the glad tidings [gospel] of THE KINGDOM OF GOD. (Luke 8:1)
» And this GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:14)
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The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the KINGDOM OF GOD has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it. And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail. (Luke 16:16-17)
Caps mine. The message was adequate for Jesus and so for me.
IMJW1000 17 hours ago
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Ok, so if someone asks you about the gospel you're going to burden them with a long spiel attacking the divinity of Christ... I get it...
Keruaran 23 hours ago
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As a side note, does the Watchtower approve of you using so many translations of the Bible that are not the New World Translation?
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IMJW1000 19 hours ago
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So, your gospel message involves an elaborate spiel that is focused on first denying the deity of Christ before anything else? Am I understanding clearly?
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@Keruaran posted, "So, your gospel message involves an elaborate spiel that is focused on first denying the deity of Christ before anything else? Am I understanding clearly?"
Please note the nature of the video in which we are discussing off topic.
IMJW1000 19 hours ago
@IMJW1000
That's a different subject. I asked you what the gospel is.
Keruaran 23 hours ago
@thejahoflife
"Who does Almighty God Jehovah pray to?"
Your view of Christ is wrong, your view of God is wrong, and I have a hunch your view of prayer is probably also wrong. To attempt to answer without first correcting your faulty presuppositions legitimises a question that is clearly leading based upon erroneous presuppositions.
Keruaran 2 months ago
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ie. You're trying to get the answer you want based upon your own presuppositions. You are not endeavouring to arrive at the truth according to the scriptures.
Keruaran 2 months ago
And if buying into Constantines Trinity is not bad enough, the other area we disagree on is hell. Any truthful attempt at learning about the bible reveals that hell is another pagan adopted doctrine. Hell or hades in greek is THE GRAVE Thats right!!!! Dead id dead, not alive in hell.
thejahoflife 2 months ago
@thejahoflife
There is no "Constantines Trinity" that is an egregious revising of history that completely throws out the facts. The Trinity pre-dates Constantine, not to mention the fact that Constantine had nothing to do with the Nicene Creed. And if you're going to try and misrepresent the many who were present at the Council: This council took place a mere 12 years after the Diocletian persecutions ended. MANY of those present were Confessors who suffered for Christ.
Keruaran 2 months ago
just to ensure complete accuracy of what I wrote, we do have one disagreement with ''the cross'', it is stauros or stake and implies a single post. The word is used frequently in the bible and in every place used it means '' one beam'' NEVER A CROSS. Constantine saw a cross in a vision.
thejahoflife 2 months ago
@thejahoflife
Roman crucifixion is an established fact of history. Jesus crucifixion on a Roman cross is well established in the New Testament and has nothing whatsoever to do with Constantine.
Keruaran 2 months ago
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thejahoflife 2 months ago
I'm curious. Do Jehovah's witnesses believe that Jesus is the Son of God? That he died on the cross so that our sins may be forgiven and that He was raised from the dead? Do they believe Jesus is the Way, Truth, and Life and that no man can come to the Father except through Him. Do they believe Jesus is Lord? I have always had a biased towards JW because that what I was programmed to do. Just curious about their beliefs.
L33thalLee 2 months ago
@L33thalLee
The Jehovas Witnesses reject the most fundamental affirmations of the Christian faith.
Keruaran 2 months ago
@Keruaran that's all I needed to know, thx
L33thalLee 2 months ago
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Keruaran 2 months ago
@Keruaran Its the other way round
thejahoflife 2 months ago
@L33thalLee Yes we believe ALL OF THAT, however those arguing with me on here DO NOT!! They will tell you they do, but thats until you ask them if Jesus is God. Then it gets complicated because they begin to try and teach you what they themselves dont really understand "the trinity" Its nonsense and a lie, and teaches that Jesus is GOD THE SON not The son of God (as the bible teaches) So in response to your question We believe in everything you wrote.
thejahoflife 2 months ago
I will give you a hint. Most prophetic scriptures are cleverly intended to see more than one level of fulfillment or at least deeper fulfillment than was expected. Example/ Jews knew that ''all nations'' would be blessed by abrahams seed yet after Jesus told them to include gentiles MANY WERE NOT WILLING TO ADJUST. The scriptures I gave you are prophetic for the changing of the name of Gods people. YOU DONT SEE OR ACCEPT IT.
thejahoflife 2 months ago
@thejahoflife
Acts chapter 15 addresses exactly what it says it does. And Paul does as well in his epistles. You don't want to see nor accept the reality of the gospel itself because you have rejected it. You cannot see, because you do not want to see.
Keruaran 2 months ago
@thejahoflife
You can't offer anyone any "hint" because you simply don't know what you're talking about and you never read what I posted properly either. You who thinks himself a teacher are yourself unteachable.
Keruaran 2 months ago
You clearly dont understand the lie regarding the trinity and one obstacle which may be blocking your view is HUMILITY. I gave you the most simple and direct instructions to follow, yet here we are several correspondances laterm with only one result. Non compliance. How can you LEARN that way?
thejahoflife 2 months ago
@thejahoflife
Non compliance? Who do you think you are? Your attitude is not merely ridiculous, its offensive. This might work when you lord it over people in your little cult but it doesn't work on me. You wanted to play a game instead of making your point. You are completely full of it.
Keruaran 2 months ago
I dont need to make my point since you are making it for me. Is it just a game for you? Try writng the ACTUALscriptures out on here and then tell me what they mean, they are NOT about circumsician.
thejahoflife 2 months ago
@thejahoflife
You have done nothing but waste my time.
Keruaran 2 months ago
@thejahoflife
People like you are amazing. All you do is waste time and play a game, then you try to accuse the other person of playing a game. You are an absolute time waster.
Keruaran 2 months ago
Write the scriptures on here because you clearly do not know what they mean, then I will help you.
thejahoflife 2 months ago
@thejahoflife
Make
Your
Point
Keruaran 2 months ago
like a wise teacher once told me, ''do your own homework'' so, read those scriptures and tell me what they mean.
thejahoflife 2 months ago
@thejahoflife
You don't get to ask an obscure question and tell me to do my homework as if I'm obliged to submit a homework assignment to you. Make your point.
Keruaran 2 months ago
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
Joh 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
Jesus is God - you deny the Son so you deny the Father as well, 1 Jn 2:22.
This is the spirit of Antichrist which rejects that God came in flesh!
davidrhee7 9 months ago
@davidrhee7 Did you even watch the video at all?
If Jesus was in the beginning WITH God he cannot at the same time BE God. Rewind and watch the two videos here again.
sunshineuk1965 9 months ago
@aservantofjehovah Nice. Several months ago I was in a depressed state about not knowing whether God was a trinity or not. I asked for holy spirit and that very verse was what I read. Jesus plainly says that Jehovah is his God and our God. His Father and our Father." How could he say that so simply if he was refering to himself as 1/3 of God being with the other 1/3 of God that makes up 3/3 God? And where are the moments in acts where the trnity is explained to former pagans?
GetenGeten 11 months ago 4
i need to put post on this tread, because this is a crap. You show christianity like catholic teaches only! and christian is not catholic only. yes that is like you post in clip for catholic, they are killed people, and they are killed christian to, not just the others. the Christian trinity is true! that is God-true-spirit. God = god father, Christ = son of the God (who give us true), and spirit like you said force of God. So that is real Christian trinity. Catholic is not christian!!!!
BabicSlobodan 11 months ago
@BabicSlobodan
They will continuously engage in misrepresentation because they are Jehovas Witnesses peddling their cult doctrines and preying upon the ignorance of those who don't know the Bible, nor are grounded in sound doctrine.
Keruaran 4 months ago
@Keruaran Look up acts 15:14 15:17 and read without malice. Then if you have an idea on those scriptures and what they mean I would love to hear it.
thejahoflife 2 months ago
@thejahoflife
Why do you need a commentary on Acts chapter 15? If you have a point please make it.
Keruaran 2 months ago
@Keruaran Try just reading those scriptures and tell me what they mean, unless you cant.
thejahoflife 2 months ago
@thejahoflife
In Acts 15 an argument had arisen in the Church because certain Jews were telling Gentiles, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” (v1). In v14 & 17 James supports Peter's statement (v7-11) that the Gentiles should not be burdened with laws that the Jews themselves couldn't keep when the grace of God was already manifest among the gentiles apart from Mosaic law.
So, do you actually have a point?
Keruaran 2 months ago
gods not real...
buktomsin 1 year ago
@buktomsin .... really?.... prove it
littleamigos 1 year ago
@littleamigos come on, kids grow up from there fairytales why can't some grown-ups?
and honestly that question is pointless... you and I cannot disprove unicorns, leprechauns, santa, or the "FACT" that there is an invisible magical teapot on the darkside of the moon. The onus is on YOU to display something that cannot be grasped to be there... i also can't prove Krishna, zeus, apollo, allah, yahweh, and the million other morality-less "gods" out there to be non-existent, and you also can not!
buktomsin 1 year ago
@buktomsin ... either way, this "wonderful" satanic system you live in won't be here all that long .... so, "enjoy" it while it lasts.... I hope that when it collapses, it won't have any bearing on you whatsoever.... oh and your opinion = fail :)
I LOVE HATERS!...
littleamigos 1 year ago
@littleamigos wow you must've been indoctrinated early... any organization that denies Evolution by natural selection is absurd. and my opinion is derived from FACTS that JW's falsely predicted certain dates to hold bearing. which never did let up... 1914 1925 1975... but to really prove a point i dare your severely deluded brain to visit JWfacts.com look up false prophecies. and to prove your judeo-christian abrahamic god doesn't exist is easy, something that is invisible unobservable=not there
buktomsin 1 year ago
@littleamigos either way it has no bearing on me whatsoever. also jw=fail:)
aghahahah im an evil apostate! ahahahahahaah.
buktomsin 1 year ago
@littleamigos its laughable any female believes the NT and OT the way they treated woman is awful. apparently YOU are NOT allowed to TEACH or SPEAK in the congregation of god, paul states to the ladies and gents of 1Corinth. oh yea and im better than "jehovah" as far as morals go, woman in my "opinion"(which you state "fails")should be treated as equals! slaves are blatantly not necessary! and if your the type that says they where treated good... read Exodus 21:20,21 Jehovah at his finest:) wow.
buktomsin 1 year ago
@buktomsin .... hey, like I said .... your opinion, in my opinion = fail. I hope you realize you are a slave yourself. Be happy my friend... good bye :)
littleamigos 1 year ago
@littleamigos k good thing your god doesn't really want to hear yours according to scripture:) byebye
buktomsin 1 year ago
@buktomsin .... um, yea... i'll let God be the judge of that... bye bye now
littleamigos 1 year ago
@littleamigos yea hopefully krishna is the judge... or apollo na how bout Ra:) eh who cares any of those gods are ok:)
buktomsin 1 year ago
Great job! You can see how they twisted Jesus words that he is like the father, that he is the same as the father,that he is in union with the father. They decreed God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
mud411 1 year ago
soothing music, but anglo saxons didn't write the bible. they tried to use religion as control..so why, If you wish to speak truth , do you not quote the ancient writings and not convienant words to suit the denominations who choose to split Adonai's word in two..to learn , is to live my son..If you truly want to find God, search his true words not the words of churches that use political means for domination. I am a messianic jew and we read both old and new testaments(covenants) in the ancient
s4a4v4y 1 year ago
Oh yea & make sure it's not a JW bible!
SANxJONERO 1 year ago
All you got to do is look up the bible verse (simple)
SANxJONERO 1 year ago
DUDE YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW TO RESPECT BELIEFS OF OTHERS. DONT JUDGE THEM YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT.
flyingangels83 1 year ago
however by what this poster said in first part, ha didn`t mean any one ever must nor should be killed no; all human-beings must be left alive; this is their right.
ALL you say is sheer truth except for paul having ever been an apostle. yes trinity= tritheism but this has nothing to do with paul`s status in church.
mahvachcheidani 1 year ago
however by what this poster said in first part, ha didn`t mean any one ever must nor should be killed no; all human-beings must be left alive; this is their right.
mahvachcheidani 1 year ago
multicurtism
multicurtism 1 year ago
search multicurtism to see bible code and trinity
multicurtism 1 year ago
Excellent work. High quality and good use of scriptural authority.
Ushawn 1 year ago
like the game Zelda (nintendo) with 3 headed dragon.
karakan1453 1 year ago
watch daughters of Babylon Series.
rickydepths1 1 year ago
"... the central purpose of Scripture is to reveal the Lord Jesus Christ. This is true of the Old Testament as well as the New." - Martyn Lloyd-Jones
Jesus himself bore witness to this: "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me." (John 5:39)
praiselordgrace 1 year ago
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Jhn 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 "Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him.
praiselordgrace 1 year ago
THANK YOU Janice....
Namaste
Peace
LOVE
littleamigos 2 years ago
"HUNTING".... done!
"BRAVE".... more than you know!
"HAPPY"..... i am indeed!!!!!!
Don't let my "blissful ignorance" bother you.
I wish you the same joy, peace and happiness I have found in my religion of choice. Hope you find, where ever that may be. I won't allow you to disturb my peace.... Janice :)
littleamigos 2 years ago
@littleamigos when you baptise people do you use the tiltles as in matt28:19? or do you obey acts 2:38? another question is when the Israelites desired a king like the other nations had; Gd allowed this and their first king was Saul. who was their King before Saul? please just answer these questions without asking other questions, thank you
watcher0777 1 year ago
OH BOY, here we go.... sorry Janice, but I could give it two farts what CTR had or didn't have on his grave, it has NOTHING to do with what JW's are today and what JW's believe today. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your statement btw. Interesting how ex- JW's keep regurgitating the same old tired arguments. **SIGH** Be happy my friend.
littleamigos 2 years ago
Hahaha with this soundtrack it looks like adding to a new hollywood fantasy
arievanscholten 2 years ago
they furthered the lie of trinity towards pagan gods by informing that Jesus was born on 25th December...jus like alot of pagan gods, so as we worship paganism on christmas, false idols and lies
great vid
bigspliffs 2 years ago
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Damasta129 2 years ago
A reason that disfellowshiped people feel such guilt is because they know what they've done wrong and know its the truth. Someone doesn't get disfellowshiped right on the spot of committing something wrong. The Elders and ones in the congregation continue to help that spiritually sick one. And if that person wants to continue to live a course of life that God disapproves of then that person must be disfellowshiped for the sake of the congregations spiritual cleanliness and protection from.......
JahsProphecy 2 years ago 7
....an unrepentant sinner. And also it will help the unrepentant one to see how serious of a sin he's committed. The Witnesses follow as to what Gods word says on these matters, not man. I've had a few friends and family be disfellowshipped and realized the serious of their course of life and came back. They've said the only time they felt horrible is because of the guilt they held from living a way that is detestable to Jehovah. I too know of this feeling. No one can say i dont understand.
JahsProphecy 2 years ago 5
By the way, i love these videos. I'm currently reading "Mankinds Search for God" and it is very interesting to know where these doctrines came from such as the Trinity, and the idols used in different religions and how they all have a connection to each other and their origin, VERY interesting. Oh and love the back music, i know exactly what movie it comes from HAHAHA.
JahsProphecy 2 years ago 6
@JahsProphecy Gladiator ya?
L33thalLee 2 months ago
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@JahsProphecy I'm sure you understand a great deal about dis-fellowship, but do you understand it from an outside perspective? It is interesting to hear the testimonials of the dis-fellowshiped, especially those who were expelled for questioning doctrine. This concern about the "cleanliness" of the congregation perplexes me as well.
Damasta129 2 years ago
Like i said, they're not disfellowshipped on the spot. Elders will talk with them, their fellow Christians will also help them understand. It's the ones in the congregation that start to create sects and rivalries in the congregation that get disfellowshipped. The ones trying to disrupt the unity of Jehovah's people. Disfellowshipping is scriptural and the Witnesses follow the Bible and it's principles and commands to the best imperfect humanly possible. I can understand it from all angles.
JahsProphecy 2 years ago 5
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I guess because the JWs hate the Nicean Council so much they also support Gnosticism based on the hose 666 pictures..... thats the kind of logic used in these videos.. I'd like a JW to tell me when they've gone to a Christian service & there were 3 altars there where the Christians prayed to all three deities.... if anything JW are polytheistic denying the godhead. Jesus and God are apparently separate right? So which is it? Jesus isn't divine/not worth scriptural ref or your polytheistic...
Damasta129 2 years ago
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@T.I. 5:31 is claims scriptures Proverbs 8:22 is not even TALKING about Jesus, but about WISDOM..read the context people!! Col 1:15 saying Jesus is the firstborn over all creation, but that means that he was the first to be born INTO the Kingdom of God after once being a HUMAN, dying then being resurrected. Rev 3:!4, same thing, Jesus is the first of the creation of God meaning the first one to go through the process of dying and being BORN AGAIN INTO the Kingdom of GOD!!
JediMasterRich 2 years ago
i love the love you have for jehovah, may he bless ur family!
canadamtlfla 2 years ago 3