Spitfire in-cockpit and Me 109 Dogfight Biggin Hill 2009 [HD]

[kriegsammler]

The swastika is clearly visible at 0:11 and yes it should be there for accuracy.

[squawk0031]

Why do american and british people keep the swastika insignia on these planes? Unless that quite awful part, those planes are smokin..

Had the chance to ride along in a 108 in Germany. One of my best experiences so far :-)

[creativeprojects720]

@squawk0031 it's the original markings they want.

[OLiVIEIRR]

@squawk0031 Firstly, I don't think there is a swastika on it, just the Luftwaffe emblem.

And secondly, they have it because it's for historical accuracy. There's no point not ever showing the emblem so we can forget what happened, because it did and we can learn from it. It's not awful that the emblem is on there, it's right.

[19babyjack55]

Yet another airshow video ruined by a jackass announcer.

[soulfoodmonkey]

oh lol.. it looks super close to a p40 lol

[soulfoodmonkey]

so its a p40 with german paint scheme lol

[ILoveMyTail]

@soulfoodmonkey No. It's a Spanish, license-built version of the Messerschmitt Bf 109G-2 with a 1,600 hp Rolls-Royce Merlin 500-45. This engine had a chin intake, that altered the lines of the Bf 109's airframe visually. But it's the same airframe overall.

[usmctanks1]

Hispano (Buchon) 109, liscense built in Spain with Merlin engine (Bouchon means Pidgeon for the way it looks) Many were bought after Spain stopped using them. BOB had CASA He-111 bombers (again using Merlin engines) and bouchon's. Some have been switched back over to DB-601/05 engines

[Wickedrichus]

Where is the Battle of Britain soundtrack when you need it!?

[43050power]

Hispano with a rolls royce merlin engine

[cook2640]

Definately a Hispano, I was there when this display took place.

[fidan2fast]

it's a hispano, the original Me-109 is a lot more badass

[repzyree]

@fidan2fast are you shure its a hispano?, looks alot more like an avia 199 to me. but your are correct it is atleast a post-war enigine in it

[fidan2fast]

@repzyree well it looks like a hispano for sure, maybe has a different engine, but it has hispano written all over it

the Avia has a different look, has no air intake under the nose cone and the cone is slightly less streamlined

[AlexMullaart]

Simply amazing! Would like to fly one of those before I die!

[YuriNabakov]

P-40 x Spitfire

[Luppolo89]

Che bel dogfight!!!!!!!  Beautiful!

[sandynathan]

i wonder if when they were doing this they had both the biggest grin on their faces and that underlying thought of recreating one of most important moments in history??

[pramboy09]

why are you telling me this? i have already commented the same message to somebody else.

[88Matija]

that is not me 109

[seanhennessy]

Not a 109.

[TheRichybuk]

anoraks



[April4th1984]

Nice. Thanks for posting this video.

[marypoppy01]

bouchon is an me109,

you could say it's the final version of that aircraft. underwent substancial revamps, but licenced by messerschmitt, used by the spanish. definately an me109.

[pramboy09]

@marypoppy01 no you cannot call the buchon a 109, if it had a DB engine fair enough but converting them to a merlin they lose their identity, would you call a DB or allison powered spitfire a true spitfire? of course not when you take a merlin or griffon out of a spitfire it loses everything namely it's handling and performance. No different than putting a merlin in a me-109 it stops being a 109 simply by the way the aircraft handles and performs.

[elithompandre8266]

That's a Spanish version of the 109! O_O

[Brian79camino]

Spanish 109 

[4crevis]

Wow, almost bird-strike! 0:15

[jabo109]

It would have been good to have a minicam in the other plane as well, to let people know how "crappy" was the view that german pilots had inside their cockpits

[Cheetah6558]

love the view at 0:35 , shows me what it looked like back in the 40s

[pervertt]

No wonder the Spitfire pilot missed. His gunsight must have fallen off.

[PBparatroopingpilot]

Go dutch paint scene!

[MovieMad007]

Me pilot still saying "oh shit.....i wonder if he is loaded"

[edmonddantes64]

with today's plans I can't even keep track of what the hell is happening...things occur so far off and are tracked by radar and the planes are so mercilessly fast, there's no chance of understanding of what is happening....and then it's over. And someone is dead.

[mrceebees14]

109 is so sharp looking and sounding.

The Spitfire not so much.

[Saxonsoldiers]

@mrceebees14 What are you on about??? The Spitfire has the best sounding engine in the world.it cant be beaten!

[Saxonsoldiers]

@mrceebees14 Oh and both planes have the same merlin engine!

[mrceebees14]

@Saxonsoldiers That does not sound at all like a Merlin engine, it sounds 100% Daimler-Benz.

[Saxonsoldiers]

@mrceebees14 errrrrr, why don't you have a look at wiki.......it explains what engine the surviving models use!

[mrceebees14]

@Saxonsoldiers Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source, you can alter and add things yourself into Wikipedia. That is a 100% Daimler-Benz second prototype for the 109 Hispano version of the plane.

[pramboy09]

@mrceebees14 you need to do some research pal, the hispano buchon (licenced produced me-109) were built in spain, after the war they continued to build the aircraft but ran out of DB engines to use there were plenty of merlins and parts all over the world so they converted them to use the merlin.

[mrceebees14]

@pramboy09 I know the history full and well and yes they did use a Merlin, but this particular plane does NOT have a Merlin in it.

[pramboy09]

@mrceebees14 then if you knew your history you would know THIS IS A MERLIN!!! why do the exhausts stick out near the top of the nose and not near the bottom like a DB engine, why is there no intake near the exhaust stacks like a DB engine BECAUSE IT IS A MERLIN!! it doesn't sound anything like a DB engine which has a high pitch whale. plus you name me any me-109 that had a four bladed prop!!

[pramboy09]

@mrceebees14 got the four bladed prop part wrong, but if you do your research about this particular aircraft then you will find out it is a merlin just like the countless others like it that are flying all over the world, we had one here in new zealand that i saw in wanaka fly, which is identical to this one in every way.

[SenorSpode]

@pramboy09 The Buchon never used a DB engine as Nazi Germany was having problems keeping itself supplied when production licensing was committed in 1942. 25 airframes and incomplete drawings were delivered; from there the Spaniards reverse-engineered the aircraft and incorporated the Hispano-Suiza 12Z-17. The Merlin engine was a postwar innovation.

[petefromozz]

don't call this AC a Me 109.That is insult,ugly looking Thing!!!

[Falsel1ght]

I think this is my favourite video on Youtube

[foxbatpt]

cool, wish there was more...

[73ALO]

Spitfire vs P40))))

[brokenbon]

czech spitfire??

[hoogelande]

@brokenbon

nope, dutch markings

[kenns9]

With the merlin in the '109' it is almost flying a spitV against a spitIX.

who's gonna win taht fight?

[spikeboogey123]

JMO, but the back and forth editing is really annoying...pick a camera view and stick with it...preferably an in cockpit view please...

[bigbengamer]

Don't you love how everyone else can jump aboard after the fact and inform you that you mis-labeled a plane? Everyone can sound like an expert when they repeat what someone else wrote over a year ago.

[grfiuonegrbi34809]

Nice shots, good quality, but

there is no such thing as a Me109, but several versions of Bf109 was used throughout the WWII by the German Luftwaffe. The one seen flying in this video is a Spanish build Hispano Aviación HA-1112, powered by a RR Merlin.

[fubbes1]

I don`t like the Spanish version with the Merlin engine. Nothing can reach the sound and performance of a Bf 109 with the DB 605 engine.

[RRAvon]

Well my question has been answered enough times; it's a HA-1112 after all.

Was it not a Buchon used in the film 'The Battle of Britain' also?

[plavins1]

i just love the sound of the flyby!!!!!

[BuddyFantastic]

it'd be great...rather, authentic, if the Spit was chasing an actual Bf 109, and not the Spanish built version. However with many 109 rebuilds and flying examples, who knows, perhaps we'll get to see an authentic "duel"

[13Filmrisse]

@BuddyFantastic Those duels will always be staged - which is a good thing for the preservation of these rare birds and for the safety of the pilots.

But remember this when you see this kind of "dogfights" staged for air shows: in real fight, men were rarely shot down in dogfights. Common was a surprise attack, one pass and with a bit of luck one kill.

[MrWhatever45]

rat tat tat tat tat tat tat tat weeeeeeeeeeEEEE CRASH FRIGGIN BOOOOOOM ARRRGGGGH ARRGGGH BURNING ARRRRRGH.sorry got carried away.

[JOHNO4992]

The 'Buchon' was Merlin powered i believe !

[AlanMartinNala]

@JOHNO4992 The Buchon version we all know, yes it was; but as far as I know, there was a previous version (not so popular) powered by a Daimler Benz, with a nose shape so different indeed that, to my view, resembled pretty much that of the Macchi MC-205 Veltro. There is one in static display at the Spanish air museum at Cuatro Vientos (Madrid); probably the only "specimen" that survives. I wish I could see a Buchon flying in Spanish colours, though, rather than always wearing German markings...

[DepakoteMeister]

It's only semi-interesting, because no modern day warbird owner or pilot is going to put their cherished aircraft through the g-forces that WWII pilots often did, neither are they going to be wringing the life out of the engine (knowing it only had to last one mission).

Shame, would be nice to splash out a couple of £M just to get a Spit and Bf109 (real DB engined) up and fly the life outta them, filmed from multiple angles both in the air and on the ground.

[smith3451]

shame the spits paint job is crap

[aarongama24]

OMG WHATS WITH THE GERMAN SPITFIRE THE SPITFIRE IS BRITISH!

[Bugger90]

@aarongama24 Those are Dutch roundels, not German.

[TheBlackOctane]

ME 109 has such an exciting sound as it flys past

[leguandennis]

@TheBlackOctane The only problem is, it is not a Bf-109.

[TheBlackOctane]

@leguandennis whats the difference sir?

[leguandennis]

@TheBlackOctane Nose, engine, radiator. It´s more like a mix between Spitfire and Bf-109. That changes the whole aerdynamic of the plane, So it´s not a Bf-109.

The Buchon is motorized by Merlin or Rolls Royce engines like Spitfire and P-51, thats wher the nice sound is coming from, but you are right the Bf-109 has also a brilliant sound.

[goflight2]

superbes avions et magnifiques images.

merci

[noiseache]

Gotta love the sound of that Spitfire! I live just a mile or so from Biggin Hill and it's great having those guys fly in and out for the show every year.

[JAubrey11]

Very nice vid. Thanks for uploading!

[DVAFP]

when are we going to have this level of realism in flight sims? 30 years?

[panzerspahwagen]

I think that this isn't a Messerschmitt Bf 109, its a Hispano Aviación HA-1112, a variation of the Bf 109 made in Spain.

[jtorch1116]

your were on his ass now. great aircraft

[nightravenonline]

This is not a real Me 109 !

[enven]

This is the dream, right there...keeping war birds preserved!

[MK19MODIII]

i know that.. i was quoting another persons post..

[mendacha]

.50 cals are 12,7mm not 13mm...

[MK19MODIII]

I wanna know where the information came from stating "Spit models except maybe the very first had 20mm cannons. Some had 20mm and 13mm (50 caliber) mg's.".. they never had .50 calibers.. they were originally outfitted with 4 .303 Brownings..4 due to the shortage of MGs at the time..later, they put 4 more in, bringing the total to 8 .303 caliber MGs.. some had 20mm cannons yes, but NEVER .50calibers..

[Flosailor]

E wing spitfires could mount 2x.50cal MGs & 2x20mm cannons as an alternative to the D wing options of 4 cannons OR 2 cannons & 4 .303 MGs. Although heavy the availability of American guns and some advantages in mounting underwing stores mitigated the loss of firepower. The same wing could also carry 4 .50s, the same as RAF Mustangs, but the option was rarely used. Hth, MK19... :D Awesome vid Ian, many thanks for sharing it with us.

[MK19MODIII]

Thats all interesting information.. I have never been able to find anything real solid about .50calibers on Spitties other than someone's opinion. While the idea makes great sense, the availability problems certainly presented themselves.. just as the early days of 4 little 303s..one problem is that the Brits had a ton of modifications in design to facilitate those kind of upgrades..some of that information is hard to obtain.. good to know though for sure

[DazDaMan]

@MK19MODIII

The 8x.303 Browning MGs were standard fit up to 1941.

The standard fit until 1944 was then 2x20mm and 4x.303. The .50cal was introduced on the Mk.IX prior to D-Day, and used in the IX, XIV, XVI and 18 models. The 21, 22 and 24 had 4x20mm.

Many restored Spitfires these days have the latter armament fit. Several of which are flying in the UK.

[MK19MODIII]

Jesus you guys..where did you find this info?.. I feel like I am learnin all of this all over again. I knew that some Spitties were kitted with 20mm cannons but I have never heard of the .50s.. I figured that the Brits never got those since the American planes were probably a priority.. now I just feel stupid.

[Flosailor]

Don't be MK19, we're brought up on this stuff on our side of the pond! There was no need for extensive modifications to Spit wings, the c (universal) wing had 8 bays, the inner 4 could take cannons or mgs, including (as Daz says), 50s-485Sqn(NZ) fitted theirs out this way prior to D-day, the e was effectively a factory version of this field mod. Apologies for my typo above, the D wing was the unarmed reconnaissance version. Clipped and extended versions of the wing were available to improve >

[Flosailor]

roll or high altitude performance. From the Mk VIII on these tips became interchangeable, so in theory a fighter could be tailored to pilot preferance or mission requirements. I doubt whether it actually happened, but the boffins meant well! Clipped wing Spits were highly sucessful against FW190s, but were less popular with their pilots- clipped, cropped and clapped Spits never quite held the appeal of elliptical winged versions. Have you read any of Jonnie Johnsons' books? Hugely recommended.:D

[Vogter2100]

Bloody awesome.

[nothke]

if you want it correctly... actually, I don't know! I can't proove these are sunglasses. I just guessed on my first observation. So please don't throw your monitor in trash bin because of me :)

[nothke]

@wba95x no worries :), just take glasses next time when you watch it :)

[nothke]

@wba95x sunglasses

[17VINCE]

wut i would give to be in the cockpit of one of those birds during that reenactment..haha

[Vickzq]

Nice one... but that is NO 109. It's a Buchon... that might be based on it, but still - the title is wrong.

[teo89]

I think it's an Hispano Suiza

[jtorch1116]

spitfire killed it!

[argy71]

beautifull

[yblocker]

Absolutely spectacular!!!!

[usquanigo]

Great footage (and this may have already been mentioned before), but that's not a Bf-109 - in the purest sense as most people would interpret it to mean. It's a Buchon. A 109 airframe mated to a Hispano-Suiza engine, NOT the original DB-605. It sits in the airframe the other way up and requires a completely different front end, as well as providing different power curves, and so would result in a completely different matchup.

[Xiolablu3]

Its a Merlin engine not a Hispano Suiza

[LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH]

Correct! The Spanish replaced the Suiza engine with Merlin engines, as did the Israeli airforce, who also operated the type. The Irony of it!! :)

[adamitshelanu]

Irony to us in English, but "Expediency" was the title of a talk at Givat Haviva in 1968, given by a high ranking Israel Air Force officer.

My impression is that he was involved in this incident against wartime comrades: "...On January 7, 1949, the Israeli air-force, consisting of several Spitfires and Czech built Messerschmidt Bf-109 fighters (transferred secretly from Czech bases to Israel), shot down five British-piloted Spitfires flying for the Egyptian air-force over the Sinai ..."

[jastrebok]

These things happened, yeah

[SenorSpode]

@Xiolablu3 Buchons used both Hispano-Suizas and Merlins. Sometimes I wonder if this particular Buchon was used in the filming of "The Battle of Britain"...

[DazDaMan]

@SenorSpode

Yes it was. It's since been repainted to its authentic film markings as "Yellow 10".

[13Filmrisse]

@usquanigo

Anyhow these "dogfights" are all staged and not a real competition. Just a theatre show to enternain the spectators.

[schpongled]

God that's a beautiful plane, and what a noise it makes!

[Manlezl]

Elegance in the sky.

[stock9526]

this is brilliant reminder of the few

[xxpoonednoobxx]

awsome

[gelbevierzehn]

OMG 5 Stars !!!

[Paintballemo]

holy shit, this is awesome!

thx for posting!!

[HECEPbE3Hblu]

"пиздец" "фашисту" =)

[modularblur]

wicked footage! :)

[krycha425]

great!

[Blue387]

Excellent video.

[Sigurth]

Maybe it would have been a good idea to mount the camera so the pilot's head didn't completely block the forward view? Just a thought.

[IainPlanesTV]

A sensible suggestion if it wasn't a Spitfire cockpit we're talking about! I prefer to see the pilot - the camera isn't their to record the view, nice as it is!, its there to record the in-cockpit action.

[freakyflow]

funny there's any room at all 4 a cam Both planes are awsome. few things that bugged me about the spit throttle is on the left while the gear is on the right don't most planes of that day have have everything on the right throttle /gear/flaps ..and why the circle at the top on the yoke ..plane was a great turn plane but because of the dia. only smal cal, guns were used Great vid thanks 4 the post

[AHMUZIK]

Thats incorrect, most planes had throttle on the left and most Spit models except maybe the very first had 20mm cannons. Some had 20mm and 13mm (50 caliber) mg's. As for the yoke, I believe they chose the circular handle to make room for a pilot to use both hands when pulling hard turns necesitated it.

[smith3451]

@IainPlanesTV ok so a view of the controls and control surfaces would work, just not the back of his head

[Yperanthropoidsx]

@Sigurth there r many other videos online that have the camera mounted on the pilot's head, but i actually prefer this video. because the shake and turn of the pilots head will make u very dizzy. it feels completely different as when u're turning ur head.

[109Mechanik]

Excellent Video, Buchon is looking good!

[wamb17]

great vid, thanks

[romajo]

That's not a Me (BF109). It's a Hispano HA-1112 "Buchon", with the ugly Merlin installation.

[IainPlanesTV]

Ha! Give that man a prize! :)

But does that make it a K1L variant or an M1L? - no wiki-cheating!...

[romajo]

That my good sir, I don't know. A qualified guess is the M1L (m comes after k) ;), and the first HA-1112 did have a smaller - and weaker - V12.

[romajo]

By "first HA-1112", I meant of course the first Hispano with the correct model designation.

[IainPlanesTV]

Another prize for you sir!

It is indeed the M1L, although I wiki-cheated! ;)

[shanondor]

@romajo NOTGHING WRONG WITH THE MERLIN YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT

[38dragoon38]

@romajo Thank you. I was wondering why it didn't look right! I think these were used in the film "The Battle of Britain".

[romajo]

@38dragoon38 you are absolutely correct.

[Bester7544]

Great Video now i can view how crazy was a dogfight in WW II imagine the skies fill with fighters and bombers Wow. Great Video. Have a nice day.

[tucker1012]

now i know the pilots view was like during ww2