I absolutely agree with you. A reminder of LOVE FIRST and to let our judgements and criticisms die; that we may always allow God to be God. We really need to practice LOVE first if we really want to see Him one day. God Bless you to Michael; may Holy Spirit guide you and defend you against all evil.
Please... as if Corapi is beyond reproach at this stage simply because all the facts are "unknown" presently? You're excoriating "professional Catholics" because of their "tone" when they criticize a celebrity priest for his pathological concern for his image, reputation, his failure to obey his religious superior and his walking away from his religious vocation, whether temporarily or for good simply because the path to Calvary has gotten (GASP) DIFFICULT???? Sorry Mr. Voris... beyond fail..
@SuperMycole Beyond fail? So what does that make your post which completely fails to address the content of the video? We NEVER say Fr. Corapi is beyond reproach at this or any stage; we say the situation is complex (it has not become less so in the intervening time) and that we are not going to comment. Other people can (and have) commented - what we called for was politeness and charity towards him.
@SuperMycole To clarify (as I have done, like, loads of times); there are legitimate criticisms of Fr. Corapi. We choose to not talk about them, because we do not feel we can do them justice owing to a lack of information. Similarly, there are legitimate praises - ditto. People have made both points in the commen on the videos, and then failers fail to understand asking for charity is not the same as saying he is beyond reproach.
@SuperMycole Just a note to everyone else; I check out (always) the profile for commenters. SuperMycole's profile shows him as a person who swears and wished painful death on others. So, it is obviously I have fallen victim to hunting the fail-troll. Alas! In any case, the answers are instructive for other commentators who are not living under a bridge and lacking win.
It truly has not become a case of guilt or innocence for Fr. Corapi, yet one of Catholics attacking one of their own...From the "inside" as well as outside of the church.I pray that you and others will continue to bring forth to the public, the REAL crux of this "witch hunt"...on a faithful servant of God...Fr. John Corapi. Well done! May God Bless you.
Michael Voris S.T.B. I commend you on the succinct and wonderful commentary on FR. Corapi's current unfortunate situation. Thank you for stating what NEEDS to be said, and having the courage to do so.
@aquamarinemm1 Looking stupid? Why? Because SOLT came out and said Fr. Corapi has been found guilty? Were you too busy to watch the video and see that nothing in the video actually says "Corapi is innocent"? We were calling for CHARITY and niceness.
Not the use of thinly-veiled swearwords in comments.
A number of people have commented concerning the press release purporting to be from SOLT - just a note that we won't be commenting until that has all "shaken out".
Please check the SOLT website (easy found with a Google search) for their releases etc.
Excellent, thank you so much. As a convert, I was shocked at the response of these media Catholics to Father Corapi. He has not been the cause of my being disillusioned., but they certainly have been. Thank you for hitting the nail on the head.
Unfortunate, but true. Too many Catholic figure heads behave like politicians rather than faithful leaders. I believe those with Jesus in their heart can clearly see this behavior of malice, rejection and gossip against Father Corapi's situation. In the same light we must pray for our brothers and sisters who have lost their way. And finally, we should be thankful for those who have remained steadfast in their faith with wisdom, respect and grace. Pray for Father Coropi! Jesus loves him too.
I get sick of these professional Catholics, as well. They want you to buy their books and go their talks etc but they're too good to respond to your email.
Who do you mean by "Professional Catholics on the Internet" who are part of "The Establishment"? There are certainly a few whose paychecks come from a parish or diocese, who are clergy or employed as catechists, etc. But most of the lay evangelists make a living from speaking engagements and media sales...just like you, Mr. Voris. Aren't you one of those Professional Catholics?
@GreenHarpist The term is used to mean those who get their money from the establishment Church, or get access, promotion etc. via the establishment Church - and so we aren't like that. We get nothing from the establishment Church in terms of support; we are supported directly and solely by laypeople giving donations.
Would it not be fine though, to pray but sort of wait and see what happens? Fr. Corapi is the one who really got me to sit down and spend time with "our Mama in combat boots." It doesn't feel right to me to declare him 100% innocent or guilty. So is it okay if I stand a little off to the side in patience and prayer?
God Bless Michael Voris he is exactly on target! The corrupt authorities church is gunning for him. The Bishop should be thinking about what they are doing.
God Bless you too Michael. I have to say that when I first heard that Fr. Corapi was leaving the priesthood my only emotion was one of deep sadness. I believe that he is completely innocent of the trumped up charges against him. I only pray that he will have a change of mind and not leave the priesthood. Hey Fr. John, if you happen to read this, remember that I'm praying for your. To me you will always be Fr. John.
REad Encyclicals on "Modernism"" written over 100 yrs ago &"Humane Vitae" written in the 60's & trashed by the American Bishops before it was even published! "Obedience" you say?
I agree with the need to be charitable. Father John and all involved have my daily prayers. But it is not charitable to avoid addressing the bold fact that Father is breaking the vows he took at his ordination. If Father John is 100% correct and the system to address his complaints is 100% flawed, it does not alter the fact that he made a vow that he is now breaking. His conduct is reminiscent of Martin Luther's, and out of charity for Father Corapi, he needs to be told that.
@blackbetts That is certainly a view - and one which many people have expressed. Some, however, have expressed it much less charitably than you have. Of course, there are other views - including the fact Fr. John's "breaking of the vow" might be more complex than that. We just don't know.
@RealCatholicTV In Fr. Corapi's post, he tells the viewer he will no longer be called "Father" but rather "Black Sheep Dog". We all know that he is a priest forever, so even if certain people in the Church "want him gone", they can't take away what God has bestowed, and Father will always be "Father". Why is that "complex"? God called him to be a priest, and he answered the call. No human fumblings can take that away -a "black sheep dog's" message is never more important than Christ's. Pace.
@blackbetts He says he will no longer be called Father but, as you point out, he does not have the authority to leave the priesthood so the title no longer applies (and he says he is NOT leaving, and that his actions are ones done with the advice of his superior). He is choosing to not be CALLED Father, it seems. But exactly what is happening is very unclear - as shown by the repeated confusions and then clarifications from Fr. Corapi.
@blackbetts Out of Charity, I tell you this,.study the history of the Church! Silence has prevailed for the past 40 yrs. in the American Catholic church! Silence enforced by Bishops who had a plan. To take over the "American CAtholic Church". Seminaries taken over by homosexuals & their 'supporters', Priests forced out of their parishes for teaching sound doctrine, not just by the bishops, but by DEMAND from the modernist laity! Falling structures are loud!
@oldcelt1 I agree! I have studied the history of the Church; I am aware of the many Bishops who are responsible for conduct unworthy of their call - for reprehensible behavior at the expense of the many souls under their care. Indeed, is that not all the more reason why Father Corapi should seek to reform those problems from within? Luther found it necessary to cause schism to address the problems he saw within the Church. Could not Father Corapi work to effect changes form within?
I've been completely bewildered by the spittle-flecked rants posted against Fr. Corapi by otherwise reasonable and sane people. They seem compelled to give his (few) words the worst possible interpretation. He seems quite capable of destroying himself without any help, thank you. How about suspending judgement until we see how this plays out?
All I know is that Father Corapi's sermons helped me when I went through some tough times in my life (They still help me whenever evils temptations are around me). I do not know if Corapi is guilty or not, yet that doesn't concern me and it shouldn't matter since God shall judge him for any supposed sin (Which can be forgiven if he asks of God's Mercy). All I can do is pray for his soul, and pray that Lord Jesus protect him and give him strength in these tough times.
@RealCatholicTV When Fr. Corapi is more "charitable and polite" when speaking of the Church hierachy, I will be "charitable and polite" when speaking of him.
Thank you, Michael. Regardless of whether Fr. Corapi is right or wrong, I think prayers for him are in order and perhaps the "professional Catholics" as well.
I remember not too long ago, I asked the pastoral associate what she thought about Fr. C. She said she didn't care for his type of Catholicism. OK, I thought, but then she said that as long as she is in her office at the parish, she would NEVER allow him to come to "her" church. THAT was what disturbed me the most. Yes, she is still in her office at the parish, and she is one of several that are "pushing" Fr. Rohr's newer heretical teachings. Go figure?
***WELL SAID*** Michael, as always .. but in this particular case, this REALLY needed to be said. No matter WHAT Fr. Corapi did or didn't do, no one needs to bash him! As with all clergy and even those in formation; we need to PRAY & DO PENANCE, not persecute and delight in the controversy!!! THANK YOU and all your staff for hitting the important nails right on the head!
Regarding Fr. Corapi's situation, I've been MORE than incensed at certain statements made by various 'orthodox' Catholic people/organizations. I am quite pleased though (and not surprised) that RCTV is NOT among them.
As Mr. Voris said, I don't appreciate their 'tone' one darn bit. They all pretty much say the same thing: "While we wish Fr. Corapi the best, and admit that we do NOT have all the facts, WE CAN POINT OUT ..."
I think it would've been best if they had said nothing at all.
Like Michael Voris said, I really don't know enough of what is going on to make any judgement on this matter. All I do know is that Fr. Corapi is a faithful son of the Church devoted to saving souls. God knows what tactics and ferociousness the enemy is capable of in attacking those who have been so powerful in saving souls. May Fr. Corapi find peace in trusting in the Lord and strength in taking up his cross and following Christ.
The blogs I make a habit of reading are confining themselves to the specter of Father Corapi apparently going into lay evangelization and the credibility issues that this creates. People like Jimmy Akin, Jeff Miller, and the like. To be sure, some of their commenters are really being mean-spirited (talking about his ego, etc.) But I read and listened to Corapi's blog post, and it sounds like he is abandoning the priesthood. That's problematic.
@RealCatholicTV It sounds like he's at least being laicized, based on what I see on his latest blog post. I get that this will free him to minister as a layman, outside the auspices of his order. How isn't that abandoning the priesthood for all practical purposes?
@cllewis1 I see absolutely nothing stating laicization in any of his blog posts; his blog post speaks against the issue by i) not mentioning it and ii) talking about how priests who (like him) do not minister publically are still priests.
@RealCatholicTV Maybe I have a definition problem here. My understanding (flawed though it may be) is that when a priest has his faculties to administer the sacraments taken away, he is effectively laicized. Corapi clearly does refer to how he has had or will have his faculties stripped. In his original post his also talks about being "once called Father" which I think indicates he is no longer called Father. Isn't it correct that "laicized" and "stripped of faculties" are synonymous?
@cllewis1 No - laicization is a process by which is a priest is made (so far as is possible) not a priest. Stripped of faculties means he cannot publically offer sacraments or ministry. The two are different, although similar. Fr. Corapi's stripping of faculties was done as a suspension pending investigation, and his choice to not minister publically is his choice. One cannot laicize oneself.
@RealCatholicTV Bishop Gracida said on his website that to the best of his knowledge, Father Corapi is not leaving the priesthood. However, since he has been suspended from public priestly ministry, he is not allowed to present himself to the public as a priest. As far as we know, he will remain a priest. My question is: Is he still allowed to celebrate Holy Mass in his own chapel while he is suspended from priestly ministry? I would appreciate it if someone has the answer.
@RealCatholicTV That's reassuring, I didn't realize one could enter a state of still being in community with one's order (or living one's vocation) while unable to administer the sacraments. I suppose then as long as his superior says it's ok for him to minister as though he were a layperson, then no problem. Would he then no longer be called father?
@cllewis1 I think the "being called Father" is a choice he has made (most people are still calling him Father) - he is choosing to not use the title. The situation is very murky, as there is a lack of information on the details. However, based on what has been said, it is clear he is not being laicized in the formal sense - although what is happening is unclear. It is possible he is not in full community with his order (whatever that might mean).
So what is the process for a Fallen Father. Well lets see...repent (turn away from this stuff), confess to a Priest then apologize to the pilgrims he has hurt, Then get his "A" game back and return to his calling. As to the professional Catholic well they make Pontius Pilate look like a saint. You ask what is wrong with the Church today....Well here it is. Let he who hasn't sinned cast the first stone. Hypocrites...Professional Catholics hiding their sins with righteous condemnation....shame
Michael, we agree and we are praying for you. The forces of evil are saying, "One down and now..." We are praying for you. +God bless your ministry+ YOU hit the nail right on the head this time.
Personally, I feel Father brought the criticism on himself by ranting about his accuser during his June 20 annoucement on theblacksheepdog.wordpress. His defensiveness shows his human nature rather than rising above it. I pray for our Lord's will be done to His beloved son John Corapi and our beloved priest!
@susywilliams Criticism is one thing (and, certainly, there are many people who are saying just as you are) but they present it in a much less charitable form than you do. And that is the point. Certainly, one can say Fr. Corapi was right or he was wrong, he can be criticised or lauded - but it must be done with charity and not as some people have done.
I stand side by side with you on most issues but on this one I think you're wrong. He has publicly abandoned his bride and people are right for calling him out on it. Abandoning ones vows is not the way to become a saint, in my case my marriage vows in his religious vows. So I agree with many of the bloggers. Like you I wish they would come out with such vigor on other topics but on this topic they got it right. It's ok, brothers (in Christ) don't have to agree on everything.
@Michael29558 "on this one I think you're wrong" Really? You think we are wrong for calling for charity and politeness? Wow ...
Oh! You think we actually made a statement about Fr. Corapi? We didn't - we specifically say we ARE NOT making any defence or condemnation of his actions. You can agree with (some of) the bloggers' views, but if you do so you aren't disagreeing with us. Only if you say people should be uncharitable are you disagreeing with us.
@RealCatholicTV :) OK, let me rephrase my point. In your post entitled "The Senator" on 6/20 you said toward the end of the video that "it is the duty of Catholics, the obligation of Catholics to speak up and call a spade a spade when that needs to be done." The blogs that I read are doing that in what I believe to be a 'charitable' manner. Perhaps we read different blogs. So, based on the blogs I read I disagree with your position that the bloggers are too hard on Fr. C.
@Michael29558 Ok, maybe you should have said that first? Because we did not say people were wrong for calling him out, and you said we were wrong. What you are saying NOW (and didn't say first) is "I disagree the blogs are being uncharitable". Which is your right - but given the MASSIVE feedback we are getting, I think the balance is that many bloggers (maybe not the ones you read) are uncharitable.
Perhaps you could give some specific "professional" Catholics as sources. Many bloggers not associated with the hierarchy have also questioned the actions of John Corapi, including Jimmy Akin and Tim Staples. Fr. Z has also done so. Yes, he is clergy, but he is certainly not liberal. I read a blog by a bishop who backs Corapi with his full support. I agree people must be charitable, but you seem to have reversed your usual tone. Normally you say people are too "charitable" & avoid the truth.
@phil8888 I think you've missed the point (as have a number of commentators here); the point is not people who are questioned Fr. Corapi's actions (as I have said elsewhere, people can do that - and do. We choose not make any comment about it). The point is that, in doing so, some people have not been charitable.
People are too "charitable" - the quotemarks are important! - but never charitable enough.
Bravo! Most critics know not of what they speak because of limited information, mediocre intellect and failure to understand the sociological forces at work in our society.
Leave Fr Corapi alone! How dare you hypocrites chase him off from what is supposed to be the noblest of vocations on earth? "How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye? You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye.'" -Matthew 7:45
@RealCatholicTV Even if that were the case, his quitting is appears to be the main complaint. The various negative comments he's made about those in authority, seem to be seen as secondary.
For me, "What counts as a 'valid' reason to leave the priesthood?" is the main issue. Corapi has been a superb force in the Church until now, but is "experiencing opposition", even if it's extreme, a good enough reason for leaving the priesthood? Or is it proof that he is needed now more than ever?
@ThisRestlessPilgrim Fr. Corapi is certainly "quitting" something (he has said as much) but it is NOT the priesthood; he has made this VERY clear. He is still a priest, but simply not engaging in active ministry. What he does in the future will remain to be seen.
@RealCatholicTV Put it this way - whatever he does next, it's not going to be in his ordained, sacramental capacity. He will no longer be subject to his community or the promises he made at his ordination.
@ThisRestlessPilgrim Again, incorrect. He WILL be subject to the promises made at his ordination because he is STILL ordained. He can break promises (but he - or any priest - could have done than whenever the mood took him) but there will be consequences for such things. As for the community, I don't believe he has stated he is leaving it. What he has said (and, really, that is all we have to go on) is that he is not going to minister publically. That's it. Anything else is rank speculation.
@RealCatholicTV From his blog: "The only thing I know for sure is that I’m not going to disobey the Church and attempt to 'minister' as a priest, and I’m not going to lay down and die... I am not going to be involved in public ministry as a priest any longer"
@ThisRestlessPilgrim And NOT from his blog; "I will be a priest no longer, and will not be ordained and acting sacramentally". That quote states what I said, NOT what you did. You said he would be acting in an ordained, sacramental capacity - which is clearly incorrect, as his own blog makes out in a clarification message you do not quote. His words are too long to quote fully, but "Once a man is ordained a priest he remains a priest for all eternity" from his post dated the 23rd.
@RealCatholicTV I think we may have our wires crossed. You wrote "You said he would be acting in an ordained, sacramental capacity". I actually said the opposite: "Put it this way - whatever he does next, it's **not** going to be in his ordained, sacramental capacity" (emphasis added). You seem to be under the impression that I deny that he will still "be" a priest - I don't - even if he is now just John Corapi, "formerly father".
Amen. Have done battle with the folks that U mention. One fellow in particular accused Fr.C of a 'passive agressive' attack on the CHURCH (for of all things, the use of the corporate logos of 'facebook & YouTube'). IMHO it was the writer that was launching the P.A. attack on Corapi. Is it any wonder that the pews in the N.O. Church R becoming VACANT SPACE? Oh, & by the way, Mike- -extremely well said- -good vid, but, the professional Catholics care for nothing except maintaining their grip. :-(
And I'm very disappointed & sad on him leaving. My all-time favorite quote of his: "if you think you've got hell inside you, go to confession. Confession evicts hell." I hope & pray Corapi IS following Gods plan. I really do. It would be such a waste of Gods talent if he just shrivels up all together. A slap in the face at best. Fr Jason worthey did a beautiful job "Oppressor De Libor" for Corapi in April on YouTube for him. It's pretty incredible.
I have watched Fr Corapi for a number of years and heavily have promoted his quotes/YouTube talks to all on FB because I believe in what he taught and how he taught. A guy like this and a guy like you, Voris, are not liked by people who do not want to hear the truth. Plain & simple. What ticks me off is the lack of charity as you spoke of toward him.
I don't know Fr.Corapi or anything about the story other than what he has stated in his two videos, but it is clear that he is disturbed to the point where Satan can take advantage of him, even if he is completely innocent. He needs our prayers. From what I see, there are two types of critical bloggers. The 1st comments once or twice and then moves on. The 2nd have gone on a gleeful witch hunt on all details of his life to find fault. This is sick. The 2nd need to read Catechism 2477-2479.
I am not a professional Catholic. I am not getting any money from anybody in the Church. I would say that my "tone" matches that of the bloggers you complain about. It's not some big, dark conspiracy. I just have my opinions.
@dumbartonyankee If your tone is the same as these people, then you need to start being more charitable. If you just have opinions and disagree with someone, fine.
Thank you so much Michael. I agree with your comment about the tone of the Catholic media. I especially find the blogs, at the very least to be a near occasion of sin ,if not an occasion of sin. In reading replies, I find gossip, calumny, and yes even slander.I too am a sinner, but I refuse to judge Fr.Corapi..
I knew when Fr. Corapi talked about scandal in the church he would be targeted. However ,he did so with truth and without malice, while praying for the bishops whose jobs are difficult.
Brilliant video. This needed to be said openly about the "professional catholic" bloggers. The Catholic blogosphere is disgraceful and out of control - even before the Fr. Corapi situation.
I am so glad to see this presentation! I trust in Christ's Church - not so much in any of the bloggers (even the good ones) because they can't resolve this.
Why don't you just name the Professional Catholics you are talking about? How is what you just did in this video to them any different? In my opinion your tone is just as bad. This situation is bringing out the worst in the Family of God.
@gloriapatri1 And by saying our tone is just as bad, how is what you are doing any different? Disagreement is not evil - but the uncharitable actions of some people are. And that is what we are going after - pointing out a lack of charity is not uncharitable; it is in service to the truth.
My family and I were really saddened by the whole ordeal. I know many others are shedding tears over this dark story. I hope the man is innocent and if he isn't it's just even sadder. You know, I remember one of Corapi's talks when he was saying something along the words: no matter how horrible or terrible a man sins and acts, I never rejoice at seeing such a man in his turmoil. Unfortunately, many of these Schadenfreudists didn't listen to him then.
As a sinner & having my own sin. I cannot & will not judge Fr. Corapi. It is hurtful to see how he has been torn down. His worst enemies are those who are in the Church & most are leaders. I love the Holy Mother Catholic Church.They will defend the homosexual, but blast faithful priests. In the end GOD wins. Why would any young man would want to become a priest & serve the Church? Inside the Body of Christ unity has gone astray. Lord Have Mercy On Us all!!!
Why is it OK for you to constantly criticize the bishops, but when some people question the motives and decisions of a man who cast off the priesthood after a 3 month investigation they are bad? I really don't see the difference.
Fr Corapi is a priest, and as such deserves our respect. But when he trashes a Bishop or casts aspersions on the Church, we are not obliged to defend or follow him.
@SusanSucher Our criticisms are based on actual facts and things done or not done which are known to be done or not done. And perhaps if you had watched the video and read the blogs we are talking about, you would see i) we are not saying people can't criticise Fr. Corapi and ii) we are saying people should not be so vitriolic and vile towards him.
Certainly; we aren't obliged to follow or defend Fr. Corapi & we're not. That's the first thing we say in the video you obviously didn't watch.
@RealCatholicTV Wow, your last comment wasn't very nice. FTR, I make no money from being a Catholic, and am not a public figure, so a little charity in our discussion would be great.
I did watch the video - and Fr Corapi did decide to quit practicing the sacraments publicly, unless something really miraculous happens, forever. That is a public action which some good Catholics have had a lot to say about . The tone does need to be lowered - maybe this program is a good place to start.
@SusanSucher What's un-nice about assuming you didn't watch the video or read the blogs when your comment has NOTHING to do with the actual content? Your original comment asked why it was wrong to criticize Fr. Corapi - something which is completely irrelevant to this discussion because the vid is not about the rightness or wrongness of criticizing him. Certainly, criticizing him is fine - and we never say it is not. You seemed to assume we did; hence the questioning if you watched the vid.
@SusanSucher I don't recall anytime when Michael was glad at the sufferance of others, even if they had plotted against the Church. Michael says what he says, appropriately with tone, not to destroy individuals or to see them suffer (as some are doing with Corapi) but because he wants to see things change for the better. At least, that's what I have understood of what he's saying.
Fr. Corapi has been one of the most heroic Priests of our day. It's unfortunate as to what has transpired. No human whatever his state should be expected to be perfect. Bottom line, he has taken on the establishment and exposed it. It's not surprise that as soon as any weakness could be detected he would be taken out at the knees. I like his response in not giving up and going another route. He's a real man.
What about the actions of his defenders? they've been just as disgusting. I love Fr. Corapi but I've remained neutral in this...not wanting to judge the situation either way.
I absolutely agree with you. A reminder of LOVE FIRST and to let our judgements and criticisms die; that we may always allow God to be God. We really need to practice LOVE first if we really want to see Him one day. God Bless you to Michael; may Holy Spirit guide you and defend you against all evil.
lenalena79 4 months ago
@RealCatholicTV; I Absolutely and whole-heartedly agree w/ you.
CatholicCrusader2000 6 months ago
You are awesome thank you for this video!
ShadowWolf514 6 months ago
Love it! Well stated!! I see from the above posts that you offended some of the professional Catholics here. Good job!!
snootbox 6 months ago
Judge not Lest ye be judged. He who is with out sin cast the first stone. Amen I say unto you.
Prayers for all, Peace and Blessings.
AVE MARIA + + +
GalwayRose1 7 months ago
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Patricioverastegui 7 months ago
Make a difference. Fast for Father Corapi on August 14, 2011. Search "Fast for Father Corapi" on Facebook.
MilitisDei10 7 months ago
Please... as if Corapi is beyond reproach at this stage simply because all the facts are "unknown" presently? You're excoriating "professional Catholics" because of their "tone" when they criticize a celebrity priest for his pathological concern for his image, reputation, his failure to obey his religious superior and his walking away from his religious vocation, whether temporarily or for good simply because the path to Calvary has gotten (GASP) DIFFICULT???? Sorry Mr. Voris... beyond fail..
SuperMycole 7 months ago
@SuperMycole Beyond fail? So what does that make your post which completely fails to address the content of the video? We NEVER say Fr. Corapi is beyond reproach at this or any stage; we say the situation is complex (it has not become less so in the intervening time) and that we are not going to comment. Other people can (and have) commented - what we called for was politeness and charity towards him.
But you call asking for charity beyond fail? Wow.
RealCatholicTV 7 months ago
@SuperMycole To clarify (as I have done, like, loads of times); there are legitimate criticisms of Fr. Corapi. We choose to not talk about them, because we do not feel we can do them justice owing to a lack of information. Similarly, there are legitimate praises - ditto. People have made both points in the commen on the videos, and then failers fail to understand asking for charity is not the same as saying he is beyond reproach.
I guess failers are just gonna fail.
RealCatholicTV 7 months ago
@SuperMycole Just a note to everyone else; I check out (always) the profile for commenters. SuperMycole's profile shows him as a person who swears and wished painful death on others. So, it is obviously I have fallen victim to hunting the fail-troll. Alas! In any case, the answers are instructive for other commentators who are not living under a bridge and lacking win.
RealCatholicTV 7 months ago
It truly has not become a case of guilt or innocence for Fr. Corapi, yet one of Catholics attacking one of their own...From the "inside" as well as outside of the church.I pray that you and others will continue to bring forth to the public, the REAL crux of this "witch hunt"...on a faithful servant of God...Fr. John Corapi. Well done! May God Bless you.
MrsTricia6 7 months ago
Clap...clap...clap...clap...clap...clap...Standing ovation! clap...clap...Clap LOUDER!
Michael Voris S.T.B. I commend you on the succinct and wonderful commentary on FR. Corapi's current unfortunate situation. Thank you for stating what NEEDS to be said, and having the courage to do so.
MrsTricia6 7 months ago
@aquamarinemm1 Looking stupid? Why? Because SOLT came out and said Fr. Corapi has been found guilty? Were you too busy to watch the video and see that nothing in the video actually says "Corapi is innocent"? We were calling for CHARITY and niceness.
Not the use of thinly-veiled swearwords in comments.
RealCatholicTV 7 months ago
I agree with argaugrl. The glee with which they attacked that man made me sick to my stomach.
tjttzcspplt 7 months ago
A number of people have commented concerning the press release purporting to be from SOLT - just a note that we won't be commenting until that has all "shaken out".
Please check the SOLT website (easy found with a Google search) for their releases etc.
RealCatholicTV 7 months ago
Great Michael voris Needs all the support for his candid views
medjugorjemab 7 months ago
Excellent, thank you so much. As a convert, I was shocked at the response of these media Catholics to Father Corapi. He has not been the cause of my being disillusioned., but they certainly have been. Thank you for hitting the nail on the head.
arbaugrl 7 months ago
Unfortunate, but true. Too many Catholic figure heads behave like politicians rather than faithful leaders. I believe those with Jesus in their heart can clearly see this behavior of malice, rejection and gossip against Father Corapi's situation. In the same light we must pray for our brothers and sisters who have lost their way. And finally, we should be thankful for those who have remained steadfast in their faith with wisdom, respect and grace. Pray for Father Coropi! Jesus loves him too.
realityshowtime 7 months ago
I get sick of these professional Catholics, as well. They want you to buy their books and go their talks etc but they're too good to respond to your email.
ShiroJolou 7 months ago
@ShiroJolou To be fair, people are often very busy - they might not have time to respond to the hundreds of emails they get.
RealCatholicTV 7 months ago
Very well said Mr. Voris!!
Carattinij1 7 months ago
Who do you mean by "Professional Catholics on the Internet" who are part of "The Establishment"? There are certainly a few whose paychecks come from a parish or diocese, who are clergy or employed as catechists, etc. But most of the lay evangelists make a living from speaking engagements and media sales...just like you, Mr. Voris. Aren't you one of those Professional Catholics?
GreenHarpist 7 months ago
@GreenHarpist The term is used to mean those who get their money from the establishment Church, or get access, promotion etc. via the establishment Church - and so we aren't like that. We get nothing from the establishment Church in terms of support; we are supported directly and solely by laypeople giving donations.
RealCatholicTV 7 months ago
Amen to the "professional Catholics" spreading gossip... is not Catholic to do what they are doing... namely...
liammarcus 8 months ago
Would it not be fine though, to pray but sort of wait and see what happens? Fr. Corapi is the one who really got me to sit down and spend time with "our Mama in combat boots." It doesn't feel right to me to declare him 100% innocent or guilty. So is it okay if I stand a little off to the side in patience and prayer?
Gethsemaneful 8 months ago
God Bless Michael Voris he is exactly on target! The corrupt authorities church is gunning for him. The Bishop should be thinking about what they are doing.
PBXVIILY 8 months ago
God Bless you too Michael. I have to say that when I first heard that Fr. Corapi was leaving the priesthood my only emotion was one of deep sadness. I believe that he is completely innocent of the trumped up charges against him. I only pray that he will have a change of mind and not leave the priesthood. Hey Fr. John, if you happen to read this, remember that I'm praying for your. To me you will always be Fr. John.
irmatvep 8 months ago
REad Encyclicals on "Modernism"" written over 100 yrs ago &"Humane Vitae" written in the 60's & trashed by the American Bishops before it was even published! "Obedience" you say?
oldcelt1 8 months ago
Thank you Michael-it's refreshing to hear an objective opinion!
Pacer8 8 months ago
Michael thank you for your voice of reason!
bountycode 8 months ago
Amen Michael!
uxordepp 8 months ago
I agree with the need to be charitable. Father John and all involved have my daily prayers. But it is not charitable to avoid addressing the bold fact that Father is breaking the vows he took at his ordination. If Father John is 100% correct and the system to address his complaints is 100% flawed, it does not alter the fact that he made a vow that he is now breaking. His conduct is reminiscent of Martin Luther's, and out of charity for Father Corapi, he needs to be told that.
blackbetts 8 months ago
@blackbetts That is certainly a view - and one which many people have expressed. Some, however, have expressed it much less charitably than you have. Of course, there are other views - including the fact Fr. John's "breaking of the vow" might be more complex than that. We just don't know.
So, charity.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
@RealCatholicTV In Fr. Corapi's post, he tells the viewer he will no longer be called "Father" but rather "Black Sheep Dog". We all know that he is a priest forever, so even if certain people in the Church "want him gone", they can't take away what God has bestowed, and Father will always be "Father". Why is that "complex"? God called him to be a priest, and he answered the call. No human fumblings can take that away -a "black sheep dog's" message is never more important than Christ's. Pace.
blackbetts 8 months ago
@blackbetts He says he will no longer be called Father but, as you point out, he does not have the authority to leave the priesthood so the title no longer applies (and he says he is NOT leaving, and that his actions are ones done with the advice of his superior). He is choosing to not be CALLED Father, it seems. But exactly what is happening is very unclear - as shown by the repeated confusions and then clarifications from Fr. Corapi.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
@blackbetts Out of Charity, I tell you this,.study the history of the Church! Silence has prevailed for the past 40 yrs. in the American Catholic church! Silence enforced by Bishops who had a plan. To take over the "American CAtholic Church". Seminaries taken over by homosexuals & their 'supporters', Priests forced out of their parishes for teaching sound doctrine, not just by the bishops, but by DEMAND from the modernist laity! Falling structures are loud!
I've had to watch it for 40 yrs!
oldcelt1 8 months ago
@oldcelt1 I agree! I have studied the history of the Church; I am aware of the many Bishops who are responsible for conduct unworthy of their call - for reprehensible behavior at the expense of the many souls under their care. Indeed, is that not all the more reason why Father Corapi should seek to reform those problems from within? Luther found it necessary to cause schism to address the problems he saw within the Church. Could not Father Corapi work to effect changes form within?
blackbetts 8 months ago
Best summation of the situation I've seen so far...
spambeeify 8 months ago
This is the Best. Vortex. Ever.
I've been completely bewildered by the spittle-flecked rants posted against Fr. Corapi by otherwise reasonable and sane people. They seem compelled to give his (few) words the worst possible interpretation. He seems quite capable of destroying himself without any help, thank you. How about suspending judgement until we see how this plays out?
wolskerj 8 months ago
Wow! You are so right!
ESLJUNKIE 8 months ago
All I know is that Father Corapi's sermons helped me when I went through some tough times in my life (They still help me whenever evils temptations are around me). I do not know if Corapi is guilty or not, yet that doesn't concern me and it shouldn't matter since God shall judge him for any supposed sin (Which can be forgiven if he asks of God's Mercy). All I can do is pray for his soul, and pray that Lord Jesus protect him and give him strength in these tough times.
RockyBalboa211 8 months ago
Awesome vid
OccasionalComments 8 months ago
GOD BE WITH YOU MICHAEL. GOOD SHOW AMEN
sasapienza 8 months ago
We should remember to judge not, lest we be judged ourselves. This is true especially since we don't know the whole story.
ginny40031 8 months ago
Wow! I was JUST having this very conversation with my husband about the vitriol and subtle (and not so subtle) rush to condemn Father Corapi.
Even if we WERE privy to all the facts and even if he WERE completely "in the wrong", what's going on is character assasination and it's wrong.
hiswife2002 8 months ago
So we can not be critical of Corapi's actions???
catholicpriest1 8 months ago
@catholicpriest1 Be as critical as you like; the point we are making is that people should be polite and charitable when they are doing so.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
@RealCatholicTV When Fr. Corapi is more "charitable and polite" when speaking of the Church hierachy, I will be "charitable and polite" when speaking of him.
catholicpriest1 8 months ago
@catholicpriest1 Ah! So two wrongs make a right? I see.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
Thank you, Michael. Regardless of whether Fr. Corapi is right or wrong, I think prayers for him are in order and perhaps the "professional Catholics" as well.
sjeanphillips 8 months ago
I remember not too long ago, I asked the pastoral associate what she thought about Fr. C. She said she didn't care for his type of Catholicism. OK, I thought, but then she said that as long as she is in her office at the parish, she would NEVER allow him to come to "her" church. THAT was what disturbed me the most. Yes, she is still in her office at the parish, and she is one of several that are "pushing" Fr. Rohr's newer heretical teachings. Go figure?
lauran08 8 months ago
***WELL SAID*** Michael, as always .. but in this particular case, this REALLY needed to be said. No matter WHAT Fr. Corapi did or didn't do, no one needs to bash him! As with all clergy and even those in formation; we need to PRAY & DO PENANCE, not persecute and delight in the controversy!!! THANK YOU and all your staff for hitting the important nails right on the head!
marywel 8 months ago
Regarding Fr. Corapi's situation, I've been MORE than incensed at certain statements made by various 'orthodox' Catholic people/organizations. I am quite pleased though (and not surprised) that RCTV is NOT among them.
As Mr. Voris said, I don't appreciate their 'tone' one darn bit. They all pretty much say the same thing: "While we wish Fr. Corapi the best, and admit that we do NOT have all the facts, WE CAN POINT OUT ..."
I think it would've been best if they had said nothing at all.
ChristianFirefighter 8 months ago
Like Michael Voris said, I really don't know enough of what is going on to make any judgement on this matter. All I do know is that Fr. Corapi is a faithful son of the Church devoted to saving souls. God knows what tactics and ferociousness the enemy is capable of in attacking those who have been so powerful in saving souls. May Fr. Corapi find peace in trusting in the Lord and strength in taking up his cross and following Christ.
zita1950 8 months ago
Thank you Michael, you have expressed what I thought exactly! God bless and keep Fr Corapi in this difficult time in his life.
nancymaka 8 months ago
The blogs I make a habit of reading are confining themselves to the specter of Father Corapi apparently going into lay evangelization and the credibility issues that this creates. People like Jimmy Akin, Jeff Miller, and the like. To be sure, some of their commenters are really being mean-spirited (talking about his ego, etc.) But I read and listened to Corapi's blog post, and it sounds like he is abandoning the priesthood. That's problematic.
cllewis1 8 months ago
@cllewis1 As I have remarked elsewhere, Fr. Corapi has EXPLICITLY stated he is not abandoning the priesthoot.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
@RealCatholicTV It sounds like he's at least being laicized, based on what I see on his latest blog post. I get that this will free him to minister as a layman, outside the auspices of his order. How isn't that abandoning the priesthood for all practical purposes?
cllewis1 8 months ago
@cllewis1 I see absolutely nothing stating laicization in any of his blog posts; his blog post speaks against the issue by i) not mentioning it and ii) talking about how priests who (like him) do not minister publically are still priests.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
@RealCatholicTV Maybe I have a definition problem here. My understanding (flawed though it may be) is that when a priest has his faculties to administer the sacraments taken away, he is effectively laicized. Corapi clearly does refer to how he has had or will have his faculties stripped. In his original post his also talks about being "once called Father" which I think indicates he is no longer called Father. Isn't it correct that "laicized" and "stripped of faculties" are synonymous?
cllewis1 8 months ago
@cllewis1 No - laicization is a process by which is a priest is made (so far as is possible) not a priest. Stripped of faculties means he cannot publically offer sacraments or ministry. The two are different, although similar. Fr. Corapi's stripping of faculties was done as a suspension pending investigation, and his choice to not minister publically is his choice. One cannot laicize oneself.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
@RealCatholicTV Bishop Gracida said on his website that to the best of his knowledge, Father Corapi is not leaving the priesthood. However, since he has been suspended from public priestly ministry, he is not allowed to present himself to the public as a priest. As far as we know, he will remain a priest. My question is: Is he still allowed to celebrate Holy Mass in his own chapel while he is suspended from priestly ministry? I would appreciate it if someone has the answer.
JosephDeFauw 8 months ago
@RealCatholicTV That's reassuring, I didn't realize one could enter a state of still being in community with one's order (or living one's vocation) while unable to administer the sacraments. I suppose then as long as his superior says it's ok for him to minister as though he were a layperson, then no problem. Would he then no longer be called father?
cllewis1 8 months ago
@cllewis1 I think the "being called Father" is a choice he has made (most people are still calling him Father) - he is choosing to not use the title. The situation is very murky, as there is a lack of information on the details. However, based on what has been said, it is clear he is not being laicized in the formal sense - although what is happening is unclear. It is possible he is not in full community with his order (whatever that might mean).
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
So what is the process for a Fallen Father. Well lets see...repent (turn away from this stuff), confess to a Priest then apologize to the pilgrims he has hurt, Then get his "A" game back and return to his calling. As to the professional Catholic well they make Pontius Pilate look like a saint. You ask what is wrong with the Church today....Well here it is. Let he who hasn't sinned cast the first stone. Hypocrites...Professional Catholics hiding their sins with righteous condemnation....shame
8bluestone 8 months ago
Michael, we agree and we are praying for you. The forces of evil are saying, "One down and now..." We are praying for you. +God bless your ministry+ YOU hit the nail right on the head this time.
ktnsteve 8 months ago
Personally, I feel Father brought the criticism on himself by ranting about his accuser during his June 20 annoucement on theblacksheepdog.wordpress. His defensiveness shows his human nature rather than rising above it. I pray for our Lord's will be done to His beloved son John Corapi and our beloved priest!
susywilliams 8 months ago
@susywilliams Criticism is one thing (and, certainly, there are many people who are saying just as you are) but they present it in a much less charitable form than you do. And that is the point. Certainly, one can say Fr. Corapi was right or he was wrong, he can be criticised or lauded - but it must be done with charity and not as some people have done.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
THANK YOU Michael.
Everyone seems to miss the point - while judging Fr Corapi's actions.
1. they don't know the facts or the people involved, from Fr Corapi to the bishop to the accuser and everyone else
2. they don't know what really happened or how long Fr Corapi has been enduring these trials
3. most forget or don't know the rules of GOSSIP and fraternal charity
4. the accuser has influenced blogs and comments, so opinion is getting slanted - a few bloggers are her Facebook friends!
teenertuna 8 months ago
Michael,
I stand side by side with you on most issues but on this one I think you're wrong. He has publicly abandoned his bride and people are right for calling him out on it. Abandoning ones vows is not the way to become a saint, in my case my marriage vows in his religious vows. So I agree with many of the bloggers. Like you I wish they would come out with such vigor on other topics but on this topic they got it right. It's ok, brothers (in Christ) don't have to agree on everything.
Michael29558 8 months ago
@Michael29558 "on this one I think you're wrong" Really? You think we are wrong for calling for charity and politeness? Wow ...
Oh! You think we actually made a statement about Fr. Corapi? We didn't - we specifically say we ARE NOT making any defence or condemnation of his actions. You can agree with (some of) the bloggers' views, but if you do so you aren't disagreeing with us. Only if you say people should be uncharitable are you disagreeing with us.
I don't think you meant that.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
@RealCatholicTV :) OK, let me rephrase my point. In your post entitled "The Senator" on 6/20 you said toward the end of the video that "it is the duty of Catholics, the obligation of Catholics to speak up and call a spade a spade when that needs to be done." The blogs that I read are doing that in what I believe to be a 'charitable' manner. Perhaps we read different blogs. So, based on the blogs I read I disagree with your position that the bloggers are too hard on Fr. C.
Michael29558 8 months ago
@Michael29558 Ok, maybe you should have said that first? Because we did not say people were wrong for calling him out, and you said we were wrong. What you are saying NOW (and didn't say first) is "I disagree the blogs are being uncharitable". Which is your right - but given the MASSIVE feedback we are getting, I think the balance is that many bloggers (maybe not the ones you read) are uncharitable.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
Perhaps you could give some specific "professional" Catholics as sources. Many bloggers not associated with the hierarchy have also questioned the actions of John Corapi, including Jimmy Akin and Tim Staples. Fr. Z has also done so. Yes, he is clergy, but he is certainly not liberal. I read a blog by a bishop who backs Corapi with his full support. I agree people must be charitable, but you seem to have reversed your usual tone. Normally you say people are too "charitable" & avoid the truth.
phil8888 8 months ago
@phil8888 I think you've missed the point (as have a number of commentators here); the point is not people who are questioned Fr. Corapi's actions (as I have said elsewhere, people can do that - and do. We choose not make any comment about it). The point is that, in doing so, some people have not been charitable.
People are too "charitable" - the quotemarks are important! - but never charitable enough.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
Bravo! Most critics know not of what they speak because of limited information, mediocre intellect and failure to understand the sociological forces at work in our society.
StevenRay119 8 months ago
Again. Spot on. I have lost more respect for the CelebraCatholics than I have for Corapi during this deal..
Sprice962 8 months ago
You are so right, Michael. You hit the nail on the head.
1600ny 8 months ago
Leave Fr Corapi alone! How dare you hypocrites chase him off from what is supposed to be the noblest of vocations on earth? "How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye? You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye.'" -Matthew 7:45
mfrazee 8 months ago
@mfrazee "chase him off from what is supposed to be the noblest of vocations on earth"
Chase him off? Didn't he quit? Correct me if I'm wrong, but all bloggers I've read are complaining because he's quitting.
ThisRestlessPilgrim 8 months ago
@ThisRestlessPilgrim I got the impression mfrazee was upbraiding those who had, in his view, "forced" Fr Corapi to take the action he did.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
@RealCatholicTV Even if that were the case, his quitting is appears to be the main complaint. The various negative comments he's made about those in authority, seem to be seen as secondary.
For me, "What counts as a 'valid' reason to leave the priesthood?" is the main issue. Corapi has been a superb force in the Church until now, but is "experiencing opposition", even if it's extreme, a good enough reason for leaving the priesthood? Or is it proof that he is needed now more than ever?
ThisRestlessPilgrim 8 months ago
@ThisRestlessPilgrim Fr. Corapi is certainly "quitting" something (he has said as much) but it is NOT the priesthood; he has made this VERY clear. He is still a priest, but simply not engaging in active ministry. What he does in the future will remain to be seen.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
@RealCatholicTV Put it this way - whatever he does next, it's not going to be in his ordained, sacramental capacity. He will no longer be subject to his community or the promises he made at his ordination.
ThisRestlessPilgrim 8 months ago
@ThisRestlessPilgrim Again, incorrect. He WILL be subject to the promises made at his ordination because he is STILL ordained. He can break promises (but he - or any priest - could have done than whenever the mood took him) but there will be consequences for such things. As for the community, I don't believe he has stated he is leaving it. What he has said (and, really, that is all we have to go on) is that he is not going to minister publically. That's it. Anything else is rank speculation.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
@RealCatholicTV From his blog: "The only thing I know for sure is that I’m not going to disobey the Church and attempt to 'minister' as a priest, and I’m not going to lay down and die... I am not going to be involved in public ministry as a priest any longer"
ThisRestlessPilgrim 8 months ago
@ThisRestlessPilgrim And NOT from his blog; "I will be a priest no longer, and will not be ordained and acting sacramentally". That quote states what I said, NOT what you did. You said he would be acting in an ordained, sacramental capacity - which is clearly incorrect, as his own blog makes out in a clarification message you do not quote. His words are too long to quote fully, but "Once a man is ordained a priest he remains a priest for all eternity" from his post dated the 23rd.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
@RealCatholicTV I think we may have our wires crossed. You wrote "You said he would be acting in an ordained, sacramental capacity". I actually said the opposite: "Put it this way - whatever he does next, it's **not** going to be in his ordained, sacramental capacity" (emphasis added). You seem to be under the impression that I deny that he will still "be" a priest - I don't - even if he is now just John Corapi, "formerly father".
ThisRestlessPilgrim 8 months ago
Amen. Have done battle with the folks that U mention. One fellow in particular accused Fr.C of a 'passive agressive' attack on the CHURCH (for of all things, the use of the corporate logos of 'facebook & YouTube'). IMHO it was the writer that was launching the P.A. attack on Corapi. Is it any wonder that the pews in the N.O. Church R becoming VACANT SPACE? Oh, & by the way, Mike- -extremely well said- -good vid, but, the professional Catholics care for nothing except maintaining their grip. :-(
GriffinElliot 8 months ago
this whole thing is weird but I don't know him or anything about why this is going on.
theluellen 8 months ago
And I'm very disappointed & sad on him leaving. My all-time favorite quote of his: "if you think you've got hell inside you, go to confession. Confession evicts hell." I hope & pray Corapi IS following Gods plan. I really do. It would be such a waste of Gods talent if he just shrivels up all together. A slap in the face at best. Fr Jason worthey did a beautiful job "Oppressor De Libor" for Corapi in April on YouTube for him. It's pretty incredible.
theholychic 8 months ago
I have watched Fr Corapi for a number of years and heavily have promoted his quotes/YouTube talks to all on FB because I believe in what he taught and how he taught. A guy like this and a guy like you, Voris, are not liked by people who do not want to hear the truth. Plain & simple. What ticks me off is the lack of charity as you spoke of toward him.
theholychic 8 months ago
I don't know Fr.Corapi or anything about the story other than what he has stated in his two videos, but it is clear that he is disturbed to the point where Satan can take advantage of him, even if he is completely innocent. He needs our prayers. From what I see, there are two types of critical bloggers. The 1st comments once or twice and then moves on. The 2nd have gone on a gleeful witch hunt on all details of his life to find fault. This is sick. The 2nd need to read Catechism 2477-2479.
anilwang 8 months ago
Well said! I defend Father Corapi and I would defend any priest unjustly accused. Pax et Bonum
DaughterofStFrancis 8 months ago
I am not a professional Catholic. I am not getting any money from anybody in the Church. I would say that my "tone" matches that of the bloggers you complain about. It's not some big, dark conspiracy. I just have my opinions.
dumbartonyankee 8 months ago
@dumbartonyankee If your tone is the same as these people, then you need to start being more charitable. If you just have opinions and disagree with someone, fine.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
Thank you so much Michael. I agree with your comment about the tone of the Catholic media. I especially find the blogs, at the very least to be a near occasion of sin ,if not an occasion of sin. In reading replies, I find gossip, calumny, and yes even slander.I too am a sinner, but I refuse to judge Fr.Corapi..
I knew when Fr. Corapi talked about scandal in the church he would be targeted. However ,he did so with truth and without malice, while praying for the bishops whose jobs are difficult.
marcygoosie 8 months ago
Brilliant video. This needed to be said openly about the "professional catholic" bloggers. The Catholic blogosphere is disgraceful and out of control - even before the Fr. Corapi situation.
thegreenacre 8 months ago
I am so glad to see this presentation! I trust in Christ's Church - not so much in any of the bloggers (even the good ones) because they can't resolve this.
jassuz15 8 months ago
This entire situation makes me sad. But, it gives me more reasons to pray.
HealingMercy 8 months ago
Why don't you just name the Professional Catholics you are talking about? How is what you just did in this video to them any different? In my opinion your tone is just as bad. This situation is bringing out the worst in the Family of God.
gloriapatri1 8 months ago
@gloriapatri1 And by saying our tone is just as bad, how is what you are doing any different? Disagreement is not evil - but the uncharitable actions of some people are. And that is what we are going after - pointing out a lack of charity is not uncharitable; it is in service to the truth.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
My family and I were really saddened by the whole ordeal. I know many others are shedding tears over this dark story. I hope the man is innocent and if he isn't it's just even sadder. You know, I remember one of Corapi's talks when he was saying something along the words: no matter how horrible or terrible a man sins and acts, I never rejoice at seeing such a man in his turmoil. Unfortunately, many of these Schadenfreudists didn't listen to him then.
I hate everything about this.
equitemcroce 8 months ago
As a sinner & having my own sin. I cannot & will not judge Fr. Corapi. It is hurtful to see how he has been torn down. His worst enemies are those who are in the Church & most are leaders. I love the Holy Mother Catholic Church.They will defend the homosexual, but blast faithful priests. In the end GOD wins. Why would any young man would want to become a priest & serve the Church? Inside the Body of Christ unity has gone astray. Lord Have Mercy On Us all!!!
36maxkolbe 8 months ago
Why is it OK for you to constantly criticize the bishops, but when some people question the motives and decisions of a man who cast off the priesthood after a 3 month investigation they are bad? I really don't see the difference.
Fr Corapi is a priest, and as such deserves our respect. But when he trashes a Bishop or casts aspersions on the Church, we are not obliged to defend or follow him.
SusanSucher 8 months ago
@SusanSucher Our criticisms are based on actual facts and things done or not done which are known to be done or not done. And perhaps if you had watched the video and read the blogs we are talking about, you would see i) we are not saying people can't criticise Fr. Corapi and ii) we are saying people should not be so vitriolic and vile towards him.
Certainly; we aren't obliged to follow or defend Fr. Corapi & we're not. That's the first thing we say in the video you obviously didn't watch.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
@RealCatholicTV Wow, your last comment wasn't very nice. FTR, I make no money from being a Catholic, and am not a public figure, so a little charity in our discussion would be great.
I did watch the video - and Fr Corapi did decide to quit practicing the sacraments publicly, unless something really miraculous happens, forever. That is a public action which some good Catholics have had a lot to say about . The tone does need to be lowered - maybe this program is a good place to start.
SusanSucher 8 months ago
@SusanSucher What's un-nice about assuming you didn't watch the video or read the blogs when your comment has NOTHING to do with the actual content? Your original comment asked why it was wrong to criticize Fr. Corapi - something which is completely irrelevant to this discussion because the vid is not about the rightness or wrongness of criticizing him. Certainly, criticizing him is fine - and we never say it is not. You seemed to assume we did; hence the questioning if you watched the vid.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago
@SusanSucher I don't recall anytime when Michael was glad at the sufferance of others, even if they had plotted against the Church. Michael says what he says, appropriately with tone, not to destroy individuals or to see them suffer (as some are doing with Corapi) but because he wants to see things change for the better. At least, that's what I have understood of what he's saying.
equitemcroce 8 months ago
I think "The Anchoress" (for example) was very fair with her coverage, even if some attacked her for it.
FrancisJoseph76 8 months ago
it is a sad afffair for sure
totustuus333 8 months ago
Watered down catholic's are many now a days.
BeantownJim 8 months ago
Fr. Corapi has been one of the most heroic Priests of our day. It's unfortunate as to what has transpired. No human whatever his state should be expected to be perfect. Bottom line, he has taken on the establishment and exposed it. It's not surprise that as soon as any weakness could be detected he would be taken out at the knees. I like his response in not giving up and going another route. He's a real man.
citadelcatholicmedia 8 months ago
What about the actions of his defenders? they've been just as disgusting. I love Fr. Corapi but I've remained neutral in this...not wanting to judge the situation either way.
Luap7772 8 months ago
@Luap7772 Very few people have behaved well in this instance.
RealCatholicTV 8 months ago