That a proposition has been made is enough reason for some to believe in its truth. Philosophizing, while not needing special qualifications to pursue, is clearly not for everyone.
According to this syllogism when most people believed that the Earth was flat, that phenomenon itself indicates that it is more likely that the Earth is indeed flat. Furthermore this logic can be applied by any religious person on the planet and reach the same conclusion for any given deity; for example if we put the argument back to Ancient Greece where people believed in the Olympian Gods would that mean that those Gods are more likely to exist than not to?
@GmRebelliousV My words exactly. Just because you believe, it doesn't make whatever you believe in more real. The reason religion even exists is because for a long time people didn't have the means to be able to explain natural phenomena and therefore said it was caused by 'God' or the 'spirits'.
The reason religion continues is because of human fear and ego. People are scared of what will happen when they, and they desperately want for humans to be special. It's quite silly really
You can't say "Believing in God is more likely if God exists" because we simply do not know that to be true. However, We can confidently say that the existence of something is independent of the number of believers. Years ago many people were pagan but today many people believe in one Christian God. Who is right? Well according to your statement, neither believers of the pagan God's or believers of the Christian God are right. Both religions have/ had strong numbers of believers.
Surely they'd all believe in the same God, if this was the case. Not the thousands upon thousands of radically different concepts of God throughout history. Just my opinion.
Keep up the good work Venom! You're the best one man atheist factory I have ever seen! Oh, and disabling the ratings - isn't that bearing false witness? Y'know, it's in that book of yours?
I think most people believe in a deity because of culture and up bringing . Depending on where you live, usually prescribes the reason for your chosen religion. Americans are usually Christian, Arabs muslim, Indians..Hindus And seeks, Malaysians, Buddhists. If everyone believed in the same god you'r argument would have been better.
"If there are people who believe crazy conspiracies, it's more likely that the crazy conspiracies are making them believe it, and not something else like they are mistaken. That's how everything works. If people believe in it, it must be true. And the thing about god is we don't need to provide data to make that statement it's just OBVIOUS. I mean there are so many things that just don't make sense with god. Evolution is the devil herp derp."
@Laylow4now The Bible says that angels and fallen angels (demons) exist and interact with us, this explaining paranormal activity, including "ghosts", "ufos", and "aliens". The Bible explains them all as the interactions of beings that transcend our dimension with our own.
@Laylow4now Millions of people have also been diagnosed with mental illnesses, and millions more are simply liars who are either looking for attention of running scams. "Stating" something does not constitute proof. BTW, did I mention that I own the Brooklyn Bridge? (you know it's true, because I just stated it) Would you like to buy it? (what? you want to see proof of ownership?)
@Oracle195608 What you said is true. But the world-wide stories of encounters with the supernatural cross cultural, socio-economic and religious lines. They appear in great numbers in every culture. Now with our modern technology, we are seeing endless videos of such encounters. Mental illness and lying to get attention can not account for a global phenomenon that stretches over thousands of years.
@Laylow4now You said, "Now with our modern technology, we are seeing endless videos of such encounters." Is that evidence for the phemonena, or for the ability to manufacture it? Look at the special effects in any science fiction movie - are they proof of Klingons, Borg and starships? Of course not... but it sure does LOOK real! I highly recommend you watch the video "Michael Shermer: Why people believe strange things" here on YouTube. It may help you see things from a more rational perspective.
the belif in elves is not a good indications that elves exist. the reason for peoples belif in god is imagination when in the simplest of times things that were not explainable due to the fact the didnt have the science to explain were giving amazing explanations such as a man in theh sky or a pointy eard man in the forerst
1: Depends on how probably you think it is for a being like this, to even care enough to make itself known to human beings.
2: Why do you think this is the case? People have used God as an explanation for the unknown. So i would not agree that it could be considered to be anomaly for human beings to make up an explanation / say that a God has done something, as an explanation for the unknown.
These same arguments can be used for several other mythological / supernatural creatures.
No, it's not a "strange anomaly" that belief in God exists. Strange to you, perhaps, as you don't seem to be capable of critical thought. Most humans come to develop a need to find an answer to what isn't immediately apparent to them, and we often go for the answer that requires the least effort - "God did it".
It's no anomaly. We needed a crutch, and we found it.
This is a good try, VFX. However, I think it ignores psychology of the beings involved. People want to feel important, taken care of, want to be comforted when they see loved one pass away, and so forth. That is certainly natural. However, I will grant you that if God exists, belief in God is more likely than not. On the other hand, if God exists, then I would expect certain things to also be true that I do not see. As such, the best explanation with additional information is that God does not.
And just to clarify, that is presupposing that one is speaking of the philosophical, Tri-Omni definition of God. If one is talking about some other form of God, one that would not (for instance) fit into the Christian idea of God, then I would have to know what exactly you are talking about before I could accept it. A deistic deity would be a completely different analysis, for instance.
I have to say, out of all theist YouTubers, VenomFangX is certainly the most convincing.
But I keep coming back to what TheoreticalBS said, about how primitive cultures could have developed gods as, basically, a science, a way to explain things around them, and what he said about how it begs to reason that if there were a god, there would be no reason for any of these debates to happen, and it should be such that we just know beyond a shadow of a doubt. And yet, we have to speculate...
It does not increase the likelihood that God exists. There are many religions through the times of men, but the amount of people that believe in it lends no credibility to it's accuracy. I believe in Big Foot. I could be wrong. 1000 people believe in Nessie, 1000 people could be wrong. ALL theists/atheists claim God does/doesn't exist. ALL theists/atheists could be wrong. You have to evaluate the claim itself, not by the amount of people which believe in them.
@venomfangx Is it really so strange for people to believe in God? Our human brains are designed (through either creation or evolution) to survive. Is it really so unusual for a brain designed to survive to be interested in eternal life, and because of this belief, in God/Gods?
Oh and I'm not gonna be so arrogant as to presuppose "I'm right" in my question, I just want to hear other peoples honest opinions on this question thats all.
If God exists and wanted to hide his reality from people so that people were free to be who they really are in his absence, should this not be regarded as possible proof of the the existence of God by the scientific community? I mean seriously... can a creation outsmart an omnipotent, omniscient creator? If God honestly isn't real then why are so many people so concerned about him "maybe" being real?
"If god does not exist, it's an anomally that people would havs a notion of god"
Argument ad verecundiam or argument from majority rule. Majorities of populations believed many things that turned out to be falsehoods. The flat earth is a good example. God belief is popular, yes---(especially in primitive societies) because it's a panacea for all mysteries. A defining attribute of man is he doesn't like unsolved mysteries so he inserts the easiest answer he can come up with---god.
Exactly and the reason why people believe in god nowadays, is that they have been manipulated by their parents in their childhood. This manipulation built upa huge fence around the mind wich cannot be crossed, so it is nearly impossible for a theist to become an atheist. The other way around it s way more likely, because god gives people strengh hope and reduces the fear of dying, so weaker people with a leck of selfconfidence are more likely to become theists.
But how do you know which god to believe in? Even you have referred to people who believe in your god but in a different way "so-called Christians". So if belief in god is innate and caused by god, why have so many died and argued for centuries over which god is true? By your reasoning everyone would believe in the true god, whichever that one is.
@VenomFangX If I drank an invisibility potion. I would still be a white-skinned human, its just that my white skin would not be able to be perceived by sight.
Similarly, the unicorn is still pink despite its pinkness unable to be observed.
@VenomFangX they exude an aura of pinkness. It is evil pinkness though where the pinkness of the Invisible pink unicorn is entirely good. It is one of the GREAT MYSTERIES of the IPU and vampires.
You guys are misunderstanding his argument. This is INDUCTIVE not DEDUCTIVE, meaning he is not saying because people believe in it then it is true, what he is saying is that it's more likely to be the case that it is true because so many people believe in it which does have legitimate merit.
People used to believe in Elves and Fairies, yet now almost no one does. Same goes for all other mythical creatures, yet if God is mythical why is HE different?
@playerwithfaith Ironically, science stares at the face of God everyday. There's this stuff called energy which is the source of all power - omnipotence, creates things that abides by different rules than it does, which can only be done by personal decision - personal, personally created everything thus must be aware of its creation and care about its creation - omniscience and omnibenevolence.
-In the interest of space I didn't include it, as I thought it would be fairly intuitive. If God sees something in the future, then he has not the power to change it, otherwise he did not see what would happen correctly in the first place.
"All of matter is created from energy. All of matter can be destroyed with energy"
-Matter is energy. "matter" isn't created, it is just a reapropriation of energy into a different form.
@playerwithfaith Even assuming God doesn't have the power to change something in the future, that doesn't mean he's not omnipotent because the future is not an "existing" thing. To be omnipotent, one only needs enough power to have power over all things in existence. Omni = with regards to all, potent = power.
Matter and energy are not the same because one is condensed and the other is not. You've committed the fallacy of composition.
@playerwithfaith "And when the time comes to a situation God has already seen, he does not have the power to change it, or else he was wrong in his prediction."
If God changes the course of history, his future predictions will also change. Predictions are basically, if X then Y. So as long as X is a certain value, Y will also be a certain value. From God's standpoint, I'm pretty sure he's fully capable of predicting all possible results of Y based on all possible values of X.
@nazra7 God sees that Sally is going to eat cereal for breakfast tommorow. If God is all-knowing then he knows that without a doubt that this is what is really going to happen.
Now, if he uses his power to CHANGE what he has seen,(like remove all the cereal from Sally's house) then what he saw before.. was WRONG because if he really was all-knowing he would have already known that he was going to take all the cereal from Sally's house.
Either his power is restricted, or his knowledge is.
@playerwithfaith "If God is all-knowing then he knows that without a doubt that this is what is really going to happen."
That assumes that the future is static, which its not. That prediction also requires conditions. If God changed those conditions, his prediction would also change.
"Either his power is restricted, or his knowledge is."
Omnipotence is power over all things, omniscience is knowledge of all things.
@playerwithfaith "Things being "created" happen all the time without a personal decision from some mind."
Has nothing to do with my argument.
"It being aware of its creation doesn't imply it caring about it."
Which was never argued thus that was a strawman. Its the personal decision that is required for energy to be the cause of things that obey different laws than energy does that necessarily implies energy being aware of and caring about its effect.
@playerwithfaith "Things being "created" happen all the time without a personal decision from some mind."
Has nothing to do with my argument.
"It being aware of its creation doesn't imply it caring about it."
Which was never argued thus that was a strawman. Its the personal decision that is required for energy to be the cause of things that obey different laws than energy does that necessarily implies energy being aware of and caring about its effect.
@nazra7 Energy causing something that does not follow its own "laws"(very philosophically sloppy termonology) do not require a mind to come to a personal decision for it to happen.
Ex: In a combustion reaction, not having enough oxygen results in carbon monoxide being produced in place of some of the carbon dioxide that were normally be produced. No mind necessarily chose to reduce this amount of oxygen to change "the law" of the products that were produced.
@playerwithfaith You're right about that and I can think of a better example. You can accidentally create fire, but fire does not follow the same laws as your body does. My argument from energy mainly relies on the personal premise, but it proves to be quite the challenge to make that linkage.
@nazra7 I think the belief Elves and Fairies isn't prevalent because there are no big organizations that continue to claim their existence.
The idea presented in this video looks like an example of a fallacy of false dichotomy. If I imagine a world with god, the existence of a deity would be so apparent that there would be no need for debates about it.
Belief in aliens having visited this earth is not evidence that aliens have visited this earth. With the two options you gave me, the latter is true. I don't know how that's difficult for you to grasp. People believe things because we are curious, credulous and gullible. We need answers to questions, and we seem to by nature not mind if those answers don't make sense. But to a rational mind, belief in god existed because it's an answer to a difficult question. But it doesn't make it true.
@crazyinsane. You show your lack of understanding of the bible. Which is it. It came from god or it came from nothing? How can it be both like you asserted.
Primordial soup proven? Really so when did they decide to resurrect this from the no proof pile?
In the military, there's a well-known phrase -- "There are no atheists in foxholes!" -- because man has an inherent need to believe, when closely faced with his own mortality. It is only when we feel no pressure of time, that we become arrogant enough to think we're "all that there is ..."
This is pretty much a weak argument for God. But not surprising to see the so called 'free thinkers' hurling the abuse and stating claims based on their own Pre suppositions. Read the book "I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist." this will present you with some really good grounding. It all comes to this, bad science versus good science. Bottom line is, to believe something came from absolutely nothing, life from non life, morality from non morality, takes more faith than it does to believ
@sybenn Something came from absolutely nothing? Isn't that straight out of the bible, God just speaking things into existance from nothing?
As for life from non-life, the primordial soup model has been pretty much proven to produce basic proteins which formed the first cells(That didn't have DNA) from chemicals.
As for morality from non-morality, that is extremely vague. But Thunderf00t in WDPLAC 29 showed how living things have morality, so show an example of non-morality.
The analogy is only fit to a certain extent, example Santa has nothing to do with the origin of the universe whereas it's believed that God has by millions. God means master of something so who's the God of existance itself? Not making the assumption that there is definitely one by saying that but just illustrating that it's quite possible, whereas Santa we can conclude definitely that he isn't real for many reasons. God again very possible.
After reading your FAQ, the problem with your argument isn't the structure, it's that the premises are flawed/false. You haven't demonstrated that belief or non-belief in God is required for something to be true. Also, when you say that reasons for belief aren't scientific or historical it's a red herring, as well as false. If it were true then every deity who ever existed has equal validity to your own (which it does), but it also tries to shift the burden of proof off of the claimant.
@HoLOLcaust science believes an atom looks the way it does by the way they depict it.Yet there is proof that seeing an atom ever is NEVER going to happen.;),sorry
@axum3000 No, because the orignial argument was fallacious. I was using a reductio ad absurdum against his argument. In other words, I was excepting the validity of his argument so I could use the same logic to refute his position. This would put him into the position of either excepting the invalidity of the argument in the first place, or admitting that christianty is false.
Based upon his logic a jury cannot give a false verdict because if they all believe the same thing, they must be right
@ZenoKameno so you were trying to set him up?....um...yeah the first person to present his case always seems right until someone comes forward to challenge him. All he has to do is ignore you keep on posting videos proving the bible to be true.
Whoa! The new Venomfang intro is sooooo the coolest thing I have ever seen in my life! I just keep watching the intro over and over, smiling to myself. Who made that music for him? I love how the cross turns into an "X", nice touch. Vampires beware!!!!
Following your logic, since most kids believe in Santa Clause thus he exists. This is completely ridiculous. Even if all people thought that god existed, it doesn't mean he does. Not too long ago everybody thought the earth was flat.
@fx2py People learned that the earth was spherical in various parts of the world at different times. The Greeks learned that during the Classical period. Some other places got it only during the Hellenistic period, many years later. If you lived in the area and time the bible was being written, you'd be absolutely convinced the earth is flat. /watch?v=MS78uT8j3ok&playnext=1&list=PL5D00A212247F41DE
IF god exists... our belief or lack of belief wouldn't change what is... the outcome is not based on what we want unless it was made up by humans..., then we could change the story kinda like.... the new testament?
How about ancient peoples being unable to explain everyday happenings, not having the technology to figure out where they came from or how to explain their surroundings? The easy way out, the "happy safe place," that's what God is.
More power to you venomfangx, I don't want to guess you've seen transcripts and videos of top christian apologists debating current top atheists icons, but if you haven't please do it will help you further. You can just google these:
I would believe in God even if he didn't exist...I just can't imagine a world without God. That's what I've heard Hell is like. Everything within me knows He is alive and true. Even if I do not always do things the way he would like, I cannot deny his existence. I just know there will be a reckoning for everything. I think everyone feels that. Makes me no better than a demon...
@voldmerot So your saying that in order to have a meaning to your life and have a purpose the only way you can do it is with God? (watch?v=mXjyThnpHLE) We assign our own purpose and meaning.
@NightHawkBomber001 I would be lying if I told you God defines my life. One can hope, though....But I guess what I'm trying to say is that he's always on my mind (sometimes on the back of my mind), but still on my mind.
what evidence leads you to believe that a god is more likely to exist in a world where people believe in god than in a world where people do not? you provided no proof, just stated that this is the case without support. and also, the reason why people believe in god is because it gives easy answers to the troubling questions of life (what happens when we die, whats the meaning of life, how to the world come to be, etc). humans, greedy for answers, cannot except the truthful answer: WE DONT KNOW
@p13skate that being said, through science we can work to find the answers to these questions, the answers that are reality rather than what people just wish to be true (heaven and such).
Ah, no. Disregards the historical context. I mean, if there were no such thing as history, you might have a point. Nice intro, btw. Stylin'. Doesn't quite seem in line with the humility of the Christ, but who knows what kinda youtube channel Jesus would be rockin'?
@FiverBeyond Then that would make atheism false. However, there are more people today who believe in one God only so that would make polytheist religions wrong.
You can use this to "prove" literally anything that's popular. You could use it back when people thought that the world was the center of the universe. This proof is not logically problematic, but the givens (belief in a God is an anomaly and highly unlikely in a world where God does not exist) have no basis.
When you say "You only have two options," that's where you go wrong. There are so many ways of looking at the question of origins. Consider pantheism or the idea of a universal consciousness, etc. This is not a black and white issue. And even if we do draw the conclusion that "God" is a personal being, the next question is which God is the real God, or are all ideas of God just approximations of some infinite unknowable source? Even the big bang singularity is a reference to the infinite.
@Venomfangx's written words "The issue is that if there is no God, then there is nothing that should logically give rise to the belief in it."
Incomplete understanding of the world give rise to belief in gods as simple explanations. This has been observed in the cases of Zeus, Horus, Thor, etc... Since we know people exist, and we know that people have created gods as simple explanations, this explanation is much more reasonable for the existence of belief in your god.
a bad (one might even go as far as saying, a false) dichotomy, if you ask me.
first, there are reasons to believe in god, even if there is no god (the need for a father figure, the need for an "ok" from someone, the fear of being alone, the fear of death)
second, the majoraty of the people on earth do not believe in the same god, which basiclly transtales to: for any definetion of god, there is a large majoraty that does not believe in it.
It's a strawman. The reason why there are so many people believing in God, is because in the past people didn't understand how the world works and all the natural events in it. But later, as religion became institutional, the leaders of it must've seemed infallible, thus show, that every word the Pope, and the Bible says is true and valid. This is the way you behave too. And it is extremely cowardly. You're not an evil person, but not a good one eighter. You should be more honest to yourself!
@TheJesusKey i really hope you're not in ANY political power positions or ever will be........i dont have to explain myself why you're a narrow minded fool, just reading your comment shows it
People want to know certain answers to questions like... Why am I here? What is my purpose? WHo made this or that? When the answers aren't intuitive we create an answer.....God-the almighty being that can do anything. All religions are based on the supernatural answering our questions
That argument would also mean that it is highly probable that the world is flat, Jews are dirty and should all be eliminated, and our bodies are vessels for the souls of ancient dead aliens from a far off planet; just because some people believe it.
If vfx's God created belief in God, why would he create something that would send such a large portion of his children to eternal hell? If he created the tendency to believe in supernatural being(s), then more people than not ... usually good people ... have used that creation to believe in other being(s) than vfx's God, which will inevitably doom the vast majority of them to the hell he created especially for them. I agree with you on one point, vfx ... belief is an anomaly.
This is textbook appeal to belief fallacy, and vfx's argument fails in that it implies vfx's christian god as the logical result. Only 1/3 of the world is christian including all its various sects, 1/5 of the world is islamic, 14% is Hindu, 6% is Buddhist ... and it just goes on from there. A lot of people believe in all those other gods, therefore their gods caused their belief as well, according to vfx. 16% of the world is nonreligious, therefore a lack of a god caused their non-belief.
This might be vfx's worst video ever - and I'm not talking about just the production quality of the new intro. The entire "logical" argument is premised on the assumption that, if there were no god, it's "highly unlikely" that people would have a belief in a god. Where are the citations ... evidence? The only fact we know for sure is that a lot of people believe in a supernatural being or multiple supernatural beings. Among theists, there is certainly no consensus, which vfx's argument implies.
@Alvinladen It was the New International version. But Haven't you ever wondered why there are so many different bibles? However, even if the word if was in there. It's still saying the same. "IF" you beat your slave and he dies, you will be punished. "IF" he lives after a day or 2 you will not be punished since he is your "PROPERTY" IS THE PREMISS OF WHICH EVER VERSION YOU READ. Figurative, symbolic, or whatever, the text is clear. It's always figurative to you when it's evil. Continued....
yes. IF, that is why you must not kill your servant, but you can punish a servant for his wrong doings. the bible uses a figurative speech of punishing by including "beat w/ a rod". you can punish a servant to discipline him but you must not kill him.
@Alvinladen The argument is that the bible says you can have slaves. And why are you justifying any type of physical discipline. Would you allow you boss to hit your ass??? And "beat with a rod" sounds pretty specific. And where in the bible does it say to take anything figuratively??? Like I said, Why can't we take the virgin birth, Son of god, and resurrection figuratively??
read again those verses you gave me, tell me where did you read a word "slave" in it. if i am a boss, will i hit my servant? yes. just like when a parent hit his kid, to discipline him. did i say you should take anything from the bible figuratively? no.
@Alvinladen But when it talks about man not laying with another man, when it mentions the only way to eternal life is through Jesus, born of a virgin, son of God, Hell, resurrection of Jesus, demons, the anti-christ, the second coming of jesus, and/ or (especially) creation in 6 days with Adam and Eve. No thats part's not figurative. You claim that's exactly what the words means. But buying, selling, or beating slaves, that's not words mean. Continued....
you really believe the creation was just created in 6 literal 24hrs a day? read again. selling was originally "to give up" or "handover" but its original meaning died in the 14th century. the bible was written 2-3k years ago.
@Alvinladen No! I don't believe in creation at all, let alone being created in 6 days. I'm not foolish enough to believe only a book no one knows who wrote. If the original meaning died in the 14th century then how do you even know there was an original meaning. If it died we wouldn't know about it.
again, the bible didnt state that creation was just done in 6 literal 24hrs/day. how can you say the bible has no author? it clearly states its author. how do if know there was an original version? of course every copied or variated book has an original version.
@Alvinladen You say Sell meant to "give up" back then, or to "render service." That's a bunch of bullshit of the worse kind. You dodge all the things that make your book sound evil. You see how many different versions this stupid book has and you're hung up on the word "Sell" which may not be in every version. But the biggest thing you forget is "sell" isn't even in the original version. There actually isn't an original version if you think about it. (continued...)
@Alvinladen The bible has no original version only because it was only told by word of mouth for several decades. You christians say there were 1st hand witness of the claims it made but fail to realize it's all hearsay a billion times over. Just like you can't testify to what someone else said in court, why would you believe what some else heard from someone else who heard from someone else times a 1,000. then written down after that. You don't think they embellished a little (a lot)!
its not proven that the bible is just a bunch of hearsays. how can you claim its just a collection of hearsay if it fulfills a prophecy after a thousand years?
@Alvinladen (continued from below) Every single word in that fake book was past as word of mouth from generation to generation for several decades before it got written on paper. Ever play telephone at school where the story always ends extraordinary from the original text? Even still the word "sell" as you describe it, "give up" or render service" was still not used because the original language was in HEBREW before it was translated and edited several times. Sorry dude, it says SLAVES...
do you know what a slave means? do you give salary to a slave? do you free a slave after a period of time? do you take care of your slave? no. research more.
@mcluna2 I see where you went wrong. This is just an old way of promoting multiculturalism. The buying from overseas and those around you is merely saying that they will all provide work which can help you and it is implied you in turn can help them. It is encouraging a civilised community where all people have a skill to offer.
Mankind has always been fascinated with the unknown; it's an inherent trait of our species. The unknown has taken many forms throughout our existence: when we were barely able to walk it was the sun, the moon and the stars; when we began cultivating our crops and building rudimentary settlements along rivers it was a different god for every strange aspect of the world around us (animals, storms, oceans, etc.). Now, the only unknown left is death, and it is death that all major religions focus.
That a proposition has been made is enough reason for some to believe in its truth. Philosophizing, while not needing special qualifications to pursue, is clearly not for everyone.
LoquaciousApe 2 days ago
haha you believe in god!
NovemDecem 2 days ago
because theyre taught it at an early age........
pretty basic
bl4h1 1 week ago
According to this syllogism when most people believed that the Earth was flat, that phenomenon itself indicates that it is more likely that the Earth is indeed flat. Furthermore this logic can be applied by any religious person on the planet and reach the same conclusion for any given deity; for example if we put the argument back to Ancient Greece where people believed in the Olympian Gods would that mean that those Gods are more likely to exist than not to?
GmRebelliousV 3 weeks ago
@GmRebelliousV My words exactly. Just because you believe, it doesn't make whatever you believe in more real. The reason religion even exists is because for a long time people didn't have the means to be able to explain natural phenomena and therefore said it was caused by 'God' or the 'spirits'.
The reason religion continues is because of human fear and ego. People are scared of what will happen when they, and they desperately want for humans to be special. It's quite silly really
NoRoomForMrCockup 3 weeks ago
@NoRoomForMrCockup yeap ;P
GmRebelliousV 3 weeks ago
You can't say "Believing in God is more likely if God exists" because we simply do not know that to be true. However, We can confidently say that the existence of something is independent of the number of believers. Years ago many people were pagan but today many people believe in one Christian God. Who is right? Well according to your statement, neither believers of the pagan God's or believers of the Christian God are right. Both religions have/ had strong numbers of believers.
uru301 4 weeks ago
Surely they'd all believe in the same God, if this was the case. Not the thousands upon thousands of radically different concepts of God throughout history. Just my opinion.
ReptoidBoffin 1 month ago
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Keep up the good work Venom! You're the best one man atheist factory I have ever seen! Oh, and disabling the ratings - isn't that bearing false witness? Y'know, it's in that book of yours?
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missusgumby 2 months ago
I think most people believe in a deity because of culture and up bringing . Depending on where you live, usually prescribes the reason for your chosen religion. Americans are usually Christian, Arabs muslim, Indians..Hindus And seeks, Malaysians, Buddhists. If everyone believed in the same god you'r argument would have been better.
ElManoNegro 3 months ago
you are sexy!
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A. Matt. 1:23. Bethulah. Sign Performed.
Like a glove!
PrinceWalter 4 months ago
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PrinceWalter 4 months ago
Slick.
Stupid, and slick.
hairyreasoner 4 months ago
"If there are people who believe crazy conspiracies, it's more likely that the crazy conspiracies are making them believe it, and not something else like they are mistaken. That's how everything works. If people believe in it, it must be true. And the thing about god is we don't need to provide data to make that statement it's just OBVIOUS. I mean there are so many things that just don't make sense with god. Evolution is the devil herp derp."
Dieromantic777 4 months ago
Exactly !!!!! Millions of people state that they have encountered spirits, demons, angels, UFOs and a whole bunch of other paranormal activity....
Regardless of your worldview or religion, how do you explain that?
Laylow4now 4 months ago
@Laylow4now The Bible says that angels and fallen angels (demons) exist and interact with us, this explaining paranormal activity, including "ghosts", "ufos", and "aliens". The Bible explains them all as the interactions of beings that transcend our dimension with our own.
VenomFangX 4 months ago
@VenomFangX .....Yes, I believe the Bible to be completely accurate. But evolutionists NEVER address the issue of such paranormal activity.
Across all cultures and religions, there are tons of reports of such activity.
Laylow4now 4 months ago
@Laylow4now Millions of people have also been diagnosed with mental illnesses, and millions more are simply liars who are either looking for attention of running scams. "Stating" something does not constitute proof. BTW, did I mention that I own the Brooklyn Bridge? (you know it's true, because I just stated it) Would you like to buy it? (what? you want to see proof of ownership?)
Oracle195608 4 months ago
@Oracle195608 What you said is true. But the world-wide stories of encounters with the supernatural cross cultural, socio-economic and religious lines. They appear in great numbers in every culture. Now with our modern technology, we are seeing endless videos of such encounters. Mental illness and lying to get attention can not account for a global phenomenon that stretches over thousands of years.
Laylow4now 4 months ago
@Laylow4now You said, "Now with our modern technology, we are seeing endless videos of such encounters." Is that evidence for the phemonena, or for the ability to manufacture it? Look at the special effects in any science fiction movie - are they proof of Klingons, Borg and starships? Of course not... but it sure does LOOK real! I highly recommend you watch the video "Michael Shermer: Why people believe strange things" here on YouTube. It may help you see things from a more rational perspective.
Oracle195608 4 months ago
Lots of people believe in aliens. That seems like a strange things to believe in if aliens do not exist. Therefore aliens probably exist.
crzyprplmnky 4 months ago
the belif in elves is not a good indications that elves exist. the reason for peoples belif in god is imagination when in the simplest of times things that were not explainable due to the fact the didnt have the science to explain were giving amazing explanations such as a man in theh sky or a pointy eard man in the forerst
TheCoolKidsSoAwesome 5 months ago
Meh.
1: Depends on how probably you think it is for a being like this, to even care enough to make itself known to human beings.
2: Why do you think this is the case? People have used God as an explanation for the unknown. So i would not agree that it could be considered to be anomaly for human beings to make up an explanation / say that a God has done something, as an explanation for the unknown.
These same arguments can be used for several other mythological / supernatural creatures.
Turha101 5 months ago
No, it's not a "strange anomaly" that belief in God exists. Strange to you, perhaps, as you don't seem to be capable of critical thought. Most humans come to develop a need to find an answer to what isn't immediately apparent to them, and we often go for the answer that requires the least effort - "God did it".
It's no anomaly. We needed a crutch, and we found it.
davethehostage 5 months ago
@venomfang the end of the video made no sense what so ever, all you said was the belief in god.
thatalienthing3 5 months ago
This is a good try, VFX. However, I think it ignores psychology of the beings involved. People want to feel important, taken care of, want to be comforted when they see loved one pass away, and so forth. That is certainly natural. However, I will grant you that if God exists, belief in God is more likely than not. On the other hand, if God exists, then I would expect certain things to also be true that I do not see. As such, the best explanation with additional information is that God does not.
balanceseeker 6 months ago
And just to clarify, that is presupposing that one is speaking of the philosophical, Tri-Omni definition of God. If one is talking about some other form of God, one that would not (for instance) fit into the Christian idea of God, then I would have to know what exactly you are talking about before I could accept it. A deistic deity would be a completely different analysis, for instance.
balanceseeker 6 months ago
I have to say, out of all theist YouTubers, VenomFangX is certainly the most convincing.
But I keep coming back to what TheoreticalBS said, about how primitive cultures could have developed gods as, basically, a science, a way to explain things around them, and what he said about how it begs to reason that if there were a god, there would be no reason for any of these debates to happen, and it should be such that we just know beyond a shadow of a doubt. And yet, we have to speculate...
ProfessorJoke 7 months ago
It does not increase the likelihood that God exists. There are many religions through the times of men, but the amount of people that believe in it lends no credibility to it's accuracy. I believe in Big Foot. I could be wrong. 1000 people believe in Nessie, 1000 people could be wrong. ALL theists/atheists claim God does/doesn't exist. ALL theists/atheists could be wrong. You have to evaluate the claim itself, not by the amount of people which believe in them.
ImAnotherZang 7 months ago
@venomfangx Is it really so strange for people to believe in God? Our human brains are designed (through either creation or evolution) to survive. Is it really so unusual for a brain designed to survive to be interested in eternal life, and because of this belief, in God/Gods?
spook79 7 months ago
@spook79 Exactly! Believing in an afterlife is the only "way out" of the certainty of death - real, or not.
Oracle195608 4 months ago
Oh and I'm not gonna be so arrogant as to presuppose "I'm right" in my question, I just want to hear other peoples honest opinions on this question thats all.
spook79 7 months ago
If God exists and wanted to hide his reality from people so that people were free to be who they really are in his absence, should this not be regarded as possible proof of the the existence of God by the scientific community? I mean seriously... can a creation outsmart an omnipotent, omniscient creator? If God honestly isn't real then why are so many people so concerned about him "maybe" being real?
spook79 7 months ago
Well, I have to say, I haven't watched a video of yours in awhile and wow, you have a neat intro. That is all.
InuitInua 8 months ago
which god does this argument work for?
nateW24 8 months ago
"If god does not exist, it's an anomally that people would havs a notion of god"
Argument ad verecundiam or argument from majority rule. Majorities of populations believed many things that turned out to be falsehoods. The flat earth is a good example. God belief is popular, yes---(especially in primitive societies) because it's a panacea for all mysteries. A defining attribute of man is he doesn't like unsolved mysteries so he inserts the easiest answer he can come up with---god.
sweetsweatyfeet 8 months ago
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Argumentum Ad Populum. Epic fail.
ProofPleez 9 months ago
"Belief in God is highly likely in a world where God exists"
An assertion without a basis in fact until you can show it to be true.
GalapagosPete 9 months ago
Maybe people believe in God because they want there to be something beyond this life because it comforts them?
So irregardless of God existing, for some people, a higher entity is a contingent placebo to walk around without a care in the world.
Razevok 9 months ago
@lefayad1991
Exactly and the reason why people believe in god nowadays, is that they have been manipulated by their parents in their childhood. This manipulation built upa huge fence around the mind wich cannot be crossed, so it is nearly impossible for a theist to become an atheist. The other way around it s way more likely, because god gives people strengh hope and reduces the fear of dying, so weaker people with a leck of selfconfidence are more likely to become theists.
DieNeuePhilosophie 9 months ago
But how do you know which god to believe in? Even you have referred to people who believe in your god but in a different way "so-called Christians". So if belief in god is innate and caused by god, why have so many died and argued for centuries over which god is true? By your reasoning everyone would believe in the true god, whichever that one is.
MsCrazyCuckoo 9 months ago
@MsCrazyCuckoo exactly, but it's not impossible. It can be done. It happened to me ;)
lefayad1991 9 months ago
@lefayad1991 Good to hear from you. I heard you'd been arrested!
MsCrazyCuckoo 9 months ago
The best explanation for why people have a disposition to believe in invisible-pink-vampires, is that invisible-pink-vampires exist?
ApocaIypseNow0I2 9 months ago 5
@ApocaIypseNow0I2 Does anyone believe in invisible pink vampires? If they are invisible, how can they be pink?
VenomFangX 9 months ago
@VenomFangX Amen. Typical ignorant atheist once again.
ReconciledSinner 8 months ago
@VenomFangX If I drank an invisibility potion. I would still be a white-skinned human, its just that my white skin would not be able to be perceived by sight.
Similarly, the unicorn is still pink despite its pinkness unable to be observed.
playerwithfaith 5 months ago
@VenomFangX they exude an aura of pinkness. It is evil pinkness though where the pinkness of the Invisible pink unicorn is entirely good. It is one of the GREAT MYSTERIES of the IPU and vampires.
SqueakerAlpha 3 months ago
You guys are misunderstanding his argument. This is INDUCTIVE not DEDUCTIVE, meaning he is not saying because people believe in it then it is true, what he is saying is that it's more likely to be the case that it is true because so many people believe in it which does have legitimate merit.
People used to believe in Elves and Fairies, yet now almost no one does. Same goes for all other mythical creatures, yet if God is mythical why is HE different?
nazra7 9 months ago
@nazra7 Exactly. Thank you.
VenomFangX 9 months ago
@nazra7 "yet if God is mythical why is HE different"
-Because people colonized the world and looked in the "magical elf forest" and found out that there weren't any keebler elves living in the trees.
You see, there was this thing called science that happened.
God is different because you can't go into his magical elf forest and check whether or not he lives in the trees.
playerwithfaith 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith Ironically, science stares at the face of God everyday. There's this stuff called energy which is the source of all power - omnipotence, creates things that abides by different rules than it does, which can only be done by personal decision - personal, personally created everything thus must be aware of its creation and care about its creation - omniscience and omnibenevolence.
nazra7 5 months ago
@nazra7 So next up is you loosely trying to imply a creator?
1.) One cannot be omnipotent and omnicient
2.) "this stuff" called energy does not create or destroy.
3.) Things being "created" happen all the time without a personal decision from some mind.
4.) It being aware of its creation doesn't imply it caring about it.
Sounded like a Glen Beck rant where he tries to tie things together because the things HE decides to pair share a similar word between them.
playerwithfaith 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith "So next up is you loosely trying to imply a creator?"
That's your perspective which is limited to your understanding of my argument. The following message you provided proves just that:
"One cannot be omnipotent and omnicient"
Basically the NUH-HUH!!! rebuttal.
"energy does not create or destroy"
All of matter is created from energy. All of matter can be destroyed with energy.
Continued...
nazra7 5 months ago
@nazra7 "Basically the NUH-HUH!!! rebuttal"
-In the interest of space I didn't include it, as I thought it would be fairly intuitive. If God sees something in the future, then he has not the power to change it, otherwise he did not see what would happen correctly in the first place.
"All of matter is created from energy. All of matter can be destroyed with energy"
-Matter is energy. "matter" isn't created, it is just a reapropriation of energy into a different form.
playerwithfaith 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith Even assuming God doesn't have the power to change something in the future, that doesn't mean he's not omnipotent because the future is not an "existing" thing. To be omnipotent, one only needs enough power to have power over all things in existence. Omni = with regards to all, potent = power.
Matter and energy are not the same because one is condensed and the other is not. You've committed the fallacy of composition.
nazra7 5 months ago
@nazra7 "To be omnipotent, one only needs enough power to have power over all things in existence"
-And when the time comes to a situation God has already seen, he does not have the power to change it, or else he was wrong in his prediction.
"Matter and energy are not the same"
-Well yes they are in the context we are talking about. You can convert matter to energy and energy to matter.
Ex: While ice and water are in different states, they are still made of the same thing.
playerwithfaith 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith "And when the time comes to a situation God has already seen, he does not have the power to change it, or else he was wrong in his prediction."
If God changes the course of history, his future predictions will also change. Predictions are basically, if X then Y. So as long as X is a certain value, Y will also be a certain value. From God's standpoint, I'm pretty sure he's fully capable of predicting all possible results of Y based on all possible values of X.
nazra7 5 months ago
@nazra7 God sees that Sally is going to eat cereal for breakfast tommorow. If God is all-knowing then he knows that without a doubt that this is what is really going to happen.
Now, if he uses his power to CHANGE what he has seen,(like remove all the cereal from Sally's house) then what he saw before.. was WRONG because if he really was all-knowing he would have already known that he was going to take all the cereal from Sally's house.
Either his power is restricted, or his knowledge is.
playerwithfaith 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith "If God is all-knowing then he knows that without a doubt that this is what is really going to happen."
That assumes that the future is static, which its not. That prediction also requires conditions. If God changed those conditions, his prediction would also change.
"Either his power is restricted, or his knowledge is."
Omnipotence is power over all things, omniscience is knowledge of all things.
nazra7 5 months ago
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@nazra7 "That assumes that the future is static,"
-No. I'm assuming that God knows EVERYTHING. If he knows everything then he knows EXACTLY every event in history is going to play out.
Are you saying that God does not know the future?
If he doesn't, then he is not all-knowing.
playerwithfaith 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith "Things being "created" happen all the time without a personal decision from some mind."
Has nothing to do with my argument.
"It being aware of its creation doesn't imply it caring about it."
Which was never argued thus that was a strawman. Its the personal decision that is required for energy to be the cause of things that obey different laws than energy does that necessarily implies energy being aware of and caring about its effect.
nazra7 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith "Things being "created" happen all the time without a personal decision from some mind."
Has nothing to do with my argument.
"It being aware of its creation doesn't imply it caring about it."
Which was never argued thus that was a strawman. Its the personal decision that is required for energy to be the cause of things that obey different laws than energy does that necessarily implies energy being aware of and caring about its effect.
nazra7 5 months ago
@nazra7 Energy causing something that does not follow its own "laws"(very philosophically sloppy termonology) do not require a mind to come to a personal decision for it to happen.
Ex: In a combustion reaction, not having enough oxygen results in carbon monoxide being produced in place of some of the carbon dioxide that were normally be produced. No mind necessarily chose to reduce this amount of oxygen to change "the law" of the products that were produced.
playerwithfaith 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith You're right about that and I can think of a better example. You can accidentally create fire, but fire does not follow the same laws as your body does. My argument from energy mainly relies on the personal premise, but it proves to be quite the challenge to make that linkage.
nazra7 5 months ago
@nazra7 I think the belief Elves and Fairies isn't prevalent because there are no big organizations that continue to claim their existence.
The idea presented in this video looks like an example of a fallacy of false dichotomy. If I imagine a world with god, the existence of a deity would be so apparent that there would be no need for debates about it.
MrHaxed77 4 months ago
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@MrHaxed77 "I think the belief Elves and Fairies isn't prevalent because there are no big organizations that continue to claim their existence."
There never was any big organization that proposed the existence of elves and fairies.
nazra7 4 months ago
Belief in aliens having visited this earth is not evidence that aliens have visited this earth. With the two options you gave me, the latter is true. I don't know how that's difficult for you to grasp. People believe things because we are curious, credulous and gullible. We need answers to questions, and we seem to by nature not mind if those answers don't make sense. But to a rational mind, belief in god existed because it's an answer to a difficult question. But it doesn't make it true.
Quarantine7 10 months ago
@crazyinsane. You show your lack of understanding of the bible. Which is it. It came from god or it came from nothing? How can it be both like you asserted.
Primordial soup proven? Really so when did they decide to resurrect this from the no proof pile?
sybenn 10 months ago
In the military, there's a well-known phrase -- "There are no atheists in foxholes!" -- because man has an inherent need to believe, when closely faced with his own mortality. It is only when we feel no pressure of time, that we become arrogant enough to think we're "all that there is ..."
ShadowShip1 10 months ago
This is pretty much a weak argument for God. But not surprising to see the so called 'free thinkers' hurling the abuse and stating claims based on their own Pre suppositions. Read the book "I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist." this will present you with some really good grounding. It all comes to this, bad science versus good science. Bottom line is, to believe something came from absolutely nothing, life from non life, morality from non morality, takes more faith than it does to believ
sybenn 10 months ago
@sybenn Something came from absolutely nothing? Isn't that straight out of the bible, God just speaking things into existance from nothing?
As for life from non-life, the primordial soup model has been pretty much proven to produce basic proteins which formed the first cells(That didn't have DNA) from chemicals.
As for morality from non-morality, that is extremely vague. But Thunderf00t in WDPLAC 29 showed how living things have morality, so show an example of non-morality.
crazyinsane500 10 months ago
@ZenoKameno Santa Syndrome.
ThePuppyTurtle 10 months ago
@ThePuppyTurtle
And why exactly is the mechanic of popular belief in santa an unfit analogy for for the mechanic of popular belief in god?
xSirSaucex 10 months ago
@xSirSaucex
The analogy is only fit to a certain extent, example Santa has nothing to do with the origin of the universe whereas it's believed that God has by millions. God means master of something so who's the God of existance itself? Not making the assumption that there is definitely one by saying that but just illustrating that it's quite possible, whereas Santa we can conclude definitely that he isn't real for many reasons. God again very possible.
100pjp001 10 months ago
but there are many gods.. which one are you talking abt. You cant possibly be talking only about the christian god could u ?
religionfub 10 months ago
Not dirty, deity, auto text correction
shoop2346 10 months ago
Your god is based on a ancient dirty named Yahweh do your research dude.
shoop2346 10 months ago
After reading your FAQ, the problem with your argument isn't the structure, it's that the premises are flawed/false. You haven't demonstrated that belief or non-belief in God is required for something to be true. Also, when you say that reasons for belief aren't scientific or historical it's a red herring, as well as false. If it were true then every deity who ever existed has equal validity to your own (which it does), but it also tries to shift the burden of proof off of the claimant.
MrSchnuffs 11 months ago
hahah.People using Santa Claus analogies.It is so pathetic.
urbman29 11 months ago
@urbman29 Why ?
religionfub 10 months ago
Many people believe that if you take ammonia and bleach and pour it into a bucket it makes crystals. Doesn't make it true.
HoLOLcaust 11 months ago
@HoLOLcaust science believes an atom looks the way it does by the way they depict it.Yet there is proof that seeing an atom ever is NEVER going to happen.;),sorry
urbman29 11 months ago
@ZenoKameno but the are over a 1.8 billion muslims....and i think about 1 bllion Buddhist..dont you think there is something supernatural?
axum3000 11 months ago
@axum3000 No, because the orignial argument was fallacious. I was using a reductio ad absurdum against his argument. In other words, I was excepting the validity of his argument so I could use the same logic to refute his position. This would put him into the position of either excepting the invalidity of the argument in the first place, or admitting that christianty is false.
Based upon his logic a jury cannot give a false verdict because if they all believe the same thing, they must be right
ZenoKameno 11 months ago 15
@ZenoKameno so you were trying to set him up?....um...yeah the first person to present his case always seems right until someone comes forward to challenge him. All he has to do is ignore you keep on posting videos proving the bible to be true.
Epoch03 10 months ago
Whoa! The new Venomfang intro is sooooo the coolest thing I have ever seen in my life! I just keep watching the intro over and over, smiling to myself. Who made that music for him? I love how the cross turns into an "X", nice touch. Vampires beware!!!!
XyklusII 11 months ago
Following your logic, since most kids believe in Santa Clause thus he exists. This is completely ridiculous. Even if all people thought that god existed, it doesn't mean he does. Not too long ago everybody thought the earth was flat.
AtheismTV 11 months ago
@AtheismTV When and where did "everybody" think the world was flat? In medieval Europe it was commonly believed that the world is spherical.
fx2py 8 months ago
@fx2py People learned that the earth was spherical in various parts of the world at different times. The Greeks learned that during the Classical period. Some other places got it only during the Hellenistic period, many years later. If you lived in the area and time the bible was being written, you'd be absolutely convinced the earth is flat. /watch?v=MS78uT8j3ok&playnext=1&list=PL5D00A212247F41DE
AtheismTV 8 months ago
Without God - no life. dont be fool
heaton916 11 months ago
Sigh.....facepsalm (not facePALM).
alienlifeform11 11 months ago
IF god exists... our belief or lack of belief wouldn't change what is... the outcome is not based on what we want unless it was made up by humans..., then we could change the story kinda like.... the new testament?
L3G3NDizAtheist 11 months ago
How about ancient peoples being unable to explain everyday happenings, not having the technology to figure out where they came from or how to explain their surroundings? The easy way out, the "happy safe place," that's what God is.
MES0746 11 months ago
@Coons1600 oh look another big,what makes you think he is worthless?that is mere opinion!no evidence SIR
urbman29 11 months ago
@FiverBeyond then nothing is right?
urbman29 11 months ago
your intro is soooooooo lame. embarrassing
lamb4067 11 months ago
or maybe 'god' is a personification of things unknown to us as a civilization. just saying.
PinkChinaPanda27 11 months ago
More power to you venomfangx, I don't want to guess you've seen transcripts and videos of top christian apologists debating current top atheists icons, but if you haven't please do it will help you further. You can just google these:
William Lane Craig vs. Christopher Hitchens
John Lennox vs. Richard Dawkins
Rick Warren vs. Sam Harris
mavrickiii 11 months ago
I would believe in God even if he didn't exist...I just can't imagine a world without God. That's what I've heard Hell is like. Everything within me knows He is alive and true. Even if I do not always do things the way he would like, I cannot deny his existence. I just know there will be a reckoning for everything. I think everyone feels that. Makes me no better than a demon...
voldmerot 11 months ago
@voldmerot So your saying that in order to have a meaning to your life and have a purpose the only way you can do it is with God? (watch?v=mXjyThnpHLE) We assign our own purpose and meaning.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 I would be lying if I told you God defines my life. One can hope, though....But I guess what I'm trying to say is that he's always on my mind (sometimes on the back of my mind), but still on my mind.
voldmerot 11 months ago
@voldmerot So God, is an influence. Not the definer, but part of the definition.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 no. he is the definer. but i do not always let him do the defining.
voldmerot 11 months ago
@FiverBeyond christians don't like "evidence".
spamuela 11 months ago
what evidence leads you to believe that a god is more likely to exist in a world where people believe in god than in a world where people do not? you provided no proof, just stated that this is the case without support. and also, the reason why people believe in god is because it gives easy answers to the troubling questions of life (what happens when we die, whats the meaning of life, how to the world come to be, etc). humans, greedy for answers, cannot except the truthful answer: WE DONT KNOW
p13skate 11 months ago
@p13skate that being said, through science we can work to find the answers to these questions, the answers that are reality rather than what people just wish to be true (heaven and such).
p13skate 11 months ago
Ah, no. Disregards the historical context. I mean, if there were no such thing as history, you might have a point. Nice intro, btw. Stylin'. Doesn't quite seem in line with the humility of the Christ, but who knows what kinda youtube channel Jesus would be rockin'?
ellenjanuary 11 months ago
@FiverBeyond Then that would make atheism false. However, there are more people today who believe in one God only so that would make polytheist religions wrong.
flameboy1236 11 months ago
god is not that abstract of an idea. an entity, with very human characteristics; a creator. he is a representation of our own self ideals.
dumbtrumm 11 months ago
You can use this to "prove" literally anything that's popular. You could use it back when people thought that the world was the center of the universe. This proof is not logically problematic, but the givens (belief in a God is an anomaly and highly unlikely in a world where God does not exist) have no basis.
whatthellman 11 months ago
Why exactly do I have only two options?
ThePickyNancy 11 months ago 11
When you say "You only have two options," that's where you go wrong. There are so many ways of looking at the question of origins. Consider pantheism or the idea of a universal consciousness, etc. This is not a black and white issue. And even if we do draw the conclusion that "God" is a personal being, the next question is which God is the real God, or are all ideas of God just approximations of some infinite unknowable source? Even the big bang singularity is a reference to the infinite.
darrylsloan 11 months ago
@Venomfangx's written words "The issue is that if there is no God, then there is nothing that should logically give rise to the belief in it."
Incomplete understanding of the world give rise to belief in gods as simple explanations. This has been observed in the cases of Zeus, Horus, Thor, etc... Since we know people exist, and we know that people have created gods as simple explanations, this explanation is much more reasonable for the existence of belief in your god.
loveofphysics 11 months ago
a bad (one might even go as far as saying, a false) dichotomy, if you ask me.
first, there are reasons to believe in god, even if there is no god (the need for a father figure, the need for an "ok" from someone, the fear of being alone, the fear of death)
second, the majoraty of the people on earth do not believe in the same god, which basiclly transtales to: for any definetion of god, there is a large majoraty that does not believe in it.
there for, by your logic, there is no god.
eyallev 11 months ago
Hmm... the problem is that following the logic...magic and shamanism is true aswell!
By the way, saying "atheism is(or is not) accurate/true" doesn't really work as a phrase. The right sentence would be "if atheism is logic/unlogic"
rolingpingu 11 months ago
It's a strawman. The reason why there are so many people believing in God, is because in the past people didn't understand how the world works and all the natural events in it. But later, as religion became institutional, the leaders of it must've seemed infallible, thus show, that every word the Pope, and the Bible says is true and valid. This is the way you behave too. And it is extremely cowardly. You're not an evil person, but not a good one eighter. You should be more honest to yourself!
Kraftwerkification 11 months ago
@TheJesusKey i really hope you're not in ANY political power positions or ever will be........i dont have to explain myself why you're a narrow minded fool, just reading your comment shows it
utsawin09 11 months ago
It is not very strange actually to believe in a deity, because it makes a person feel better.
Rhinomachine 11 months ago
You know what... Like with that earthquake girl, would be funny if VFX came out as a troll
sukablianah2 11 months ago
People want to know certain answers to questions like... Why am I here? What is my purpose? WHo made this or that? When the answers aren't intuitive we create an answer.....God-the almighty being that can do anything. All religions are based on the supernatural answering our questions
Da55Moose 11 months ago
1:39 Which God would be the cause of the belief in god?
adam3251 11 months ago
@adam3251 Vishnu. Obviously
lesbianmilk 11 months ago
@lesbianmilk The IPU laughs at you Vishnu.
adam3251 11 months ago
@adam3251 You laughter angers Vishnu. Prepare to suffer a world of perceived consequences...
lesbianmilk 11 months ago
What does Venomfang X = ?
TJae1 11 months ago
@raphanon maybe u sud read carefully b4 commenting, ok?
i said, they use similar terminology.
bye, bye
leviMichealathan 11 months ago
That argument would also mean that it is highly probable that the world is flat, Jews are dirty and should all be eliminated, and our bodies are vessels for the souls of ancient dead aliens from a far off planet; just because some people believe it.
Vix847 11 months ago
"(The lack of) God causes belief in God" is a false dichotomy. There are other options.
I'm only re-Dawkins-ing now, ok, but basically, it goes like this :
- things aren't not understandable by our ancestors : they invent God(s)
- children are tought to believe in / to fear God by the authority figure.
- children who listen to their parents are more likely to survive than those who don't (evolution-wise)
- It becomes natural in children, in all humans to believe in the supernatural.
SolDeSaBelle 11 months ago
If vfx's God created belief in God, why would he create something that would send such a large portion of his children to eternal hell? If he created the tendency to believe in supernatural being(s), then more people than not ... usually good people ... have used that creation to believe in other being(s) than vfx's God, which will inevitably doom the vast majority of them to the hell he created especially for them. I agree with you on one point, vfx ... belief is an anomaly.
iobjectlikewhoa 11 months ago
This is textbook appeal to belief fallacy, and vfx's argument fails in that it implies vfx's christian god as the logical result. Only 1/3 of the world is christian including all its various sects, 1/5 of the world is islamic, 14% is Hindu, 6% is Buddhist ... and it just goes on from there. A lot of people believe in all those other gods, therefore their gods caused their belief as well, according to vfx. 16% of the world is nonreligious, therefore a lack of a god caused their non-belief.
iobjectlikewhoa 11 months ago
This might be vfx's worst video ever - and I'm not talking about just the production quality of the new intro. The entire "logical" argument is premised on the assumption that, if there were no god, it's "highly unlikely" that people would have a belief in a god. Where are the citations ... evidence? The only fact we know for sure is that a lot of people believe in a supernatural being or multiple supernatural beings. Among theists, there is certainly no consensus, which vfx's argument implies.
iobjectlikewhoa 11 months ago
Cool intro, very manly
/sarcasm
vkyle52 11 months ago
@Frosti2008 "Works" as in "matches reality" or as in "makes me happy"?
Mithcoriel 11 months ago
@mcluna2
the old meaning of "sell" is to give up. selling also means to render services. check merriam-webster dictionary and word history.
Alvinladen 11 months ago
@Alvinladen It was the New International version. But Haven't you ever wondered why there are so many different bibles? However, even if the word if was in there. It's still saying the same. "IF" you beat your slave and he dies, you will be punished. "IF" he lives after a day or 2 you will not be punished since he is your "PROPERTY" IS THE PREMISS OF WHICH EVER VERSION YOU READ. Figurative, symbolic, or whatever, the text is clear. It's always figurative to you when it's evil. Continued....
mcluna2 11 months ago
@mcluna2
yes. IF, that is why you must not kill your servant, but you can punish a servant for his wrong doings. the bible uses a figurative speech of punishing by including "beat w/ a rod". you can punish a servant to discipline him but you must not kill him.
Alvinladen 11 months ago
@Alvinladen The argument is that the bible says you can have slaves. And why are you justifying any type of physical discipline. Would you allow you boss to hit your ass??? And "beat with a rod" sounds pretty specific. And where in the bible does it say to take anything figuratively??? Like I said, Why can't we take the virgin birth, Son of god, and resurrection figuratively??
mcluna2 11 months ago
@mcluna2
read again those verses you gave me, tell me where did you read a word "slave" in it. if i am a boss, will i hit my servant? yes. just like when a parent hit his kid, to discipline him. did i say you should take anything from the bible figuratively? no.
Alvinladen 11 months ago
@Alvinladen But when it talks about man not laying with another man, when it mentions the only way to eternal life is through Jesus, born of a virgin, son of God, Hell, resurrection of Jesus, demons, the anti-christ, the second coming of jesus, and/ or (especially) creation in 6 days with Adam and Eve. No thats part's not figurative. You claim that's exactly what the words means. But buying, selling, or beating slaves, that's not words mean. Continued....
mcluna2 11 months ago
@mcluna2
you really believe the creation was just created in 6 literal 24hrs a day? read again. selling was originally "to give up" or "handover" but its original meaning died in the 14th century. the bible was written 2-3k years ago.
word-origins. com/definition/sell. html
Alvinladen 11 months ago
@Alvinladen No! I don't believe in creation at all, let alone being created in 6 days. I'm not foolish enough to believe only a book no one knows who wrote. If the original meaning died in the 14th century then how do you even know there was an original meaning. If it died we wouldn't know about it.
mcluna2 11 months ago
@mcluna2
again, the bible didnt state that creation was just done in 6 literal 24hrs/day. how can you say the bible has no author? it clearly states its author. how do if know there was an original version? of course every copied or variated book has an original version.
Alvinladen 11 months ago
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mcluna2 11 months ago
@Alvinladen You say Sell meant to "give up" back then, or to "render service." That's a bunch of bullshit of the worse kind. You dodge all the things that make your book sound evil. You see how many different versions this stupid book has and you're hung up on the word "Sell" which may not be in every version. But the biggest thing you forget is "sell" isn't even in the original version. There actually isn't an original version if you think about it. (continued...)
mcluna2 11 months ago
@mcluna2
im not dodging it, the dictionary and word origins agrees w/ me. the bible has no original version? i think you lack research.
Alvinladen 11 months ago
@Alvinladen The bible has no original version only because it was only told by word of mouth for several decades. You christians say there were 1st hand witness of the claims it made but fail to realize it's all hearsay a billion times over. Just like you can't testify to what someone else said in court, why would you believe what some else heard from someone else who heard from someone else times a 1,000. then written down after that. You don't think they embellished a little (a lot)!
mcluna2 11 months ago
@mcluna2
its not proven that the bible is just a bunch of hearsays. how can you claim its just a collection of hearsay if it fulfills a prophecy after a thousand years?
Alvinladen 11 months ago
@Alvinladen (continued from below) Every single word in that fake book was past as word of mouth from generation to generation for several decades before it got written on paper. Ever play telephone at school where the story always ends extraordinary from the original text? Even still the word "sell" as you describe it, "give up" or render service" was still not used because the original language was in HEBREW before it was translated and edited several times. Sorry dude, it says SLAVES...
mcluna2 11 months ago
@mcluna2
do you know what a slave means? do you give salary to a slave? do you free a slave after a period of time? do you take care of your slave? no. research more.
Alvinladen 11 months ago
@mcluna2 I see where you went wrong. This is just an old way of promoting multiculturalism. The buying from overseas and those around you is merely saying that they will all provide work which can help you and it is implied you in turn can help them. It is encouraging a civilised community where all people have a skill to offer.
2Addicted2YT 11 months ago
Do you believe in any mythological creatures? Unicorns? Leprechauns?
Do you believe that the best explanation for the notion of these creatures is that they actually exist?
Diognetus 11 months ago
Exodus 21:20 Do not poo in a blanket and leave it behind the sofa
spentmoney 11 months ago
Great intro!
ybbob57 11 months ago
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You've reached a NEW level of stupidity.
mslewp 11 months ago
Mankind has always been fascinated with the unknown; it's an inherent trait of our species. The unknown has taken many forms throughout our existence: when we were barely able to walk it was the sun, the moon and the stars; when we began cultivating our crops and building rudimentary settlements along rivers it was a different god for every strange aspect of the world around us (animals, storms, oceans, etc.). Now, the only unknown left is death, and it is death that all major religions focus.
SpiritAscent 11 months ago
AMEN! God bless you:) good word and thought
beachtides24 11 months ago
Perhaps the most simple-minded false dichotomy ever? Methinks, yes!
EHSEagleVideos 11 months ago
You can apply your argument to santa claus, bigfoot, loch ness monster, aliens, unicorns or whatever, to see it's invalid :S
phpeni 11 months ago
At least he threw on his robe ;)
(just messin' with ya, VFX)
LordWhorfinX2 11 months ago
intro is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen
LobsterPotsticker 11 months ago
God didnt condone slavery. read again those verses and check your comprehension.