I was referring more to your comment regarding my analytical/skeptical nature or lack of. As if by analyzing my words and limited info on me you can come to understand what kind of person I am.
Just as we truly understand how the universe worked 4billion years ago, you understand me. Now you know... I'm sarcastic.
True perception is a direct observation or experience, not conjecture. That should help you to better understand my original point.
I find it interesting how you state it like you know me at all. People are often blind to what they haven't experienced. You are currently incapable of understanding where I'm coming from because you lack knowledge of what I understand and of my experiences. To claim otherwise, in all honesty, is arrogant.
you obviously have a problem with the concept of truth. it seem like you have to categorize religious truth as separate from scientific truth to somehow pose both as equal. that is BS and I think you know it!
Tupla- Actually I have no problem with the concept of truth. I have pointed out the obvious that the word 'truth' gets used in a variety of different ways.
yes you have, and in doing so you try to give them all equal merit, which is BS. this idea that truth needs somekind of framework in which to operate and without that framework truth is meaningless is wrong in so many ways. if we can say that the truth is that jesus was son of god within the framework of the bible then we can say that we all are occupied by thetans within the framework of dianetics. take away yhe framework and both claims loose all credibility.
okay, so your list of things that are CRAZY complicated is: truth, logic, reason, rationality and reality...?
to me the phrase CRAZY complicated brings up things like metaphysics, quantum theory and and spacetime,
and dont get me wrong, Im not posing as somekind of genius, I doubt that Im any brighter than you are. the thing is that I never spend time thinking of these CRAZY complicated things before I let go of my religious beliefs - something you haven´t yet done.
God is perfect, and we screw up, by all rights we should be left to suffer. I do think that most people of faith have seen God move on their behalf...even in bad times.
Indeed, but that's not my point. It's still claiming that none are true, in other words that your own position IS true.
I.E. it's flawed, because it' an absolute statement that attempts to disprove other absolute statements. Also, just because there are mutliple religions, does not mean none are true. Just because we have counterfeit money, does not mean we don't have real money.
That's where your view of what experience is, and mine, are quite different. Experience gives us the tools to perceive.
For an atheist who has "no evidence" of God, they have never observed or perceived things that they accept as evidence proving God's existence. I have experienced things that prove to me without a doubt that God exists. You and I come to different conclusions because of our differing experiences.
Relating experiences is how we as human beings perceive the world.
And I gather that a Sage of Science is a wise man that could be worshiping a tool or not realize this worship so as to not recognize how ignorant the tool of science is about what that tool has yet to acquire. Data is a known quantity yet how does one measure the data that is yet to be gathered? Science is often wrong but self correcting when given the correct data. Yet Science can't differentiate data that is good from the bad. See Godel's incompleteness theorems before u trust so deeply
Mankind seems to have a need to worship things or we would not have created so many idols as tools to explain our superstition. I don't care if you where responding to me. Science is a tool that can be worshiped. Science does seem to emerge as an object of worship for some. But God is no self invented tool when I consider the sage advice of one Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus came down to offer us a way to love others and even our enemies. Sage wisdom that has stood the test of time.
Right... Insert straw men like pink unicorns and teapot abstractions to attack to the man.
Do you think you employ logic or is it your way of biting at my ankles?
A Sage of Science might be worshiping mankind's own epistemic efforts but worshiping science will not help you find the loving God who I find to be so evident in the complexities all around us. I have a love for science my self but science is permanently provisional and often wrong. Mankind's ignorance is self evident in this way..
Jack, the fact that there's disagreement (even between Atheists) over the meaning of some terms... doesn't mean they don't have a definition.
What does it mean to be Christian? I bet you'll find as many, if not more, different answers to that.
More to the point, you try to pass off all the different cases of what is sometimes considered "Atheism" as merely being confusion (as though they can't all be Atheism).
Strong & Weak & "not believing and "believing not" are all examples of Atheism.
Interesting what you said about reality. I think in some ways it's hard to talk about truth and reality from an objective perspective. Most of what people perceive as truth is subjective, so it's hard to know what is exactly true about the world. Peace. :)
I think you touched on some very important points, especially with how we interpret things from one situation to another. The way I see it an individuals perception of anything is limited to the things they've experienced. If you haven't experienced something, you have no way to perceive or conceptualize accurately on that 'something'.
Lol... but let me be clear, when I say experience, I mean the ways in which we encounter aspects of our observation.... which probably makes less sense than it did before xD
When it gets down to how atheists define themselves it seems to devolve into a form of complex question logical fallacy. Atheists want to reject God. Atheists seem to thrive on absence of evidence being evidence of absence. God wants a relationship with us that is more important then doctrine or dogma. A genuine truth seeker will follow the clues to where verisimilitude can be found. If atheism was a genuine exercise in logic then there would be more unanimity. That is why atheism is empty
Atheist don't reject God. You cannot reject something that doesn't exist. There is no evidence that there is one or more than one god, so until you can find proof, there is no God.
P.S. Thanks for your completely wrong diagnosis of an atheist.
Atheists do reject God as God has communicated with us and can even convict your heart that a loving God is ready to offer a relationship that will be eternal. It's the self evident self interest of atheists to reject God so that they are the only god they know. My diagnosis is not wrong as there is no unanimity among atheists. Atheists don't need or have evidence for the absence of God. Emotion, rejection, and blind faith is what atheists lean on. Atheism is self refuting.
Umm, no they don't as you cannot reject something that doesn't exist. That's like rejecting the tooth fairy. Sorry, but your diagnosis is wrong so stop acting like you know everything about atheism cause you obviously don't.
My recent research indicates; early childhood abuse - physical and mental may be the greatest statistical factors in the formation of religious belief.
Did you experience abuse, Jack? I won't tell anyone.
So, if you allow that there IS a distinction between "truth" in the context of religion or Christianity, and "truth" in the context of everyday reality (I think that's what you said, but I'm not sure), doesn't that imply that it IS possible to have access to truth in a way that is independent of God--namely in the "everyday reality" version of truth?
Yeah were a pretty independent bunch but no more so then christians, there are tens of thousands of denominations of christianity so yeah... communication is a problem on this scale for everyone.
Definitions can be argued about all the time and not just by atheists. We ALL do this. We all disagree about what certain words mean. This is different in small groups like a church but its a major problem on the interwebs with such a large and varied community.
It isn't that we're intrigued by the term "atheist" -- it's simply the quickest way to convey our general stance. A consequence of generalizing is a loss of details.
When an I get any more detailed than saying "I'm an atheist" in daily conversation it requires a bunch of extra explanation that I feel is irrelevant. If I tell someone that I'm an agnostic atheist, the response I typically get is: "Huh, how can you be both?" Throwing all kinds of other terms in only makes it more complicated.
Hi I'm the bob version and your video sheds light upon the minds of the religious people.
The problem is I think how you separate your frameworks. Atheists would tend towards (not always achieve) a single framework, but in order to survive in a secular society, you would have to separate everything into two different worlds. It's the way you think that is different, I think.
The three great monotheistic religions say "good" means something different from its "secular meaning" (using your terms). This is just a straightforward confusion - and the first step on the path to madness. By "good", they mean ONLY AND EXACTLY "obedience to God". (God is perfectly good on this meaning, I'll grant, since He only does what God deems should be done. It's rather tautological, however.) Ex: Apologist JP Moreland said the 9-11 murderers were wrong BECAUSE their religion was wrong.
I'm not a theological mistake away from thinking the needless murder of thousands of innocents might be a good act, but Moreland apparently is. How else could it be for someone who takes religion seriously? To take religion seriously is to believe "good = obedience to God". Slavery = good. Dashing the little children on the rocks =good. Genocide of enemies = good. Sacrifice your own son if your delusions tell you to = good. This has nothing to do with good in the "inferior" secular sense
VeryEvilPettingZoo: Actually you might be surprised to find that there is a school of thought in Christianity that says that morality is separate from God and that God is 'absolutely good' because he fulfills this morality and that if 'absolute good' were a different standard, then God would be different.
The thing I find with you Jack is that you misunderstand most of the people who comment on your vids. I am betting a LOT of people know where you are coming from because they have been there. They have rejected the biblical version of god for a reason. So you are trying to convert the unconvertible. Its a pointless exercise. Once you accept that, try and find that common ground and try and understand their reasons.
all you are showing here Jack is that some people are less informed about their positions than others. whether theist or not theist. The one thing we all share as human beings.......the inability to know all things.
If we didnt have a label like 'atheist' how else would we find the relevant videos on youtube ? LOL
LOL. good vid Jack. I was so lucky to not have any discussion with any atheist when i was a strong believing christian. Just to have your own basic observation of the world around you. ;Athesit' is simply the opposite of 'theist'. Imagine trying to group all religions under one label 'theist'. Imagine the confusion then. One theist says muhammod is from god, one says he isnt etc etc. Thats why its broken down to proper labels like christian, catholic, shitte, sunni, jew etc.
The problem is not that people aren't listening to you I fear that you are not listening to other people. Granted the same can be said of other Atheists but not all, I do my utmost not to repeat myself, in fact my "Tell us something new" series is designed to help me not to have to
atheism is a word that means nothing. to me its just something made up. atheism does offer you nothing or show you anything. you cant get anything out of it. just a word. there are alot of people who call themselves atheist and dont even know what it means. atheism doesnt offer any truth
Actually Atheism doesnt mean "nothing". There is a good definition on Wikipedia, look it up. Atheism in its truest nature is a non belief of a deity. Theism is a belief in a deity, the "A" in atheism means non. Theism and Atheism themselves do not offer anything directly, other than a label to express one's view on the belief of Deities. If you ask a Christian what does it mean to be a Theist, they would just say "a belief in God". They couldnt say anything else because Theism is so broad.
Theism and Atheism both claim truth, but that can be debatable. Neither Atheism nor Theism can irrefutably prove themselves to be true, for Theist claim that you can not test the spiritual world by the means of the material world.
You can't be Agnostic as a default, because there is no default. People have strong beliefs or non beliefs. Just claiming to be agnostic to avoid being wrong is just trying to dodge the issue. You can have a belief or a non belief, but if you claim truth, you are sadly mistaken.
I don't think the issue is that you repeat yourself; the issue is that you constantly ask questions for which you have been given perfectly legitimate answers. Example: you ask what atheism offers, and are informed in no uncertain terms from a number of people who describe themselves as "atheist:" 1. "Atheism" isn't required to offer anyone anything; it is not a coherent lifestyle ideology, nor does it mean the same thing to everyone who adheres to the label. 2. A number...
...of people who adhere to the label inform what they personally DO get from defining themselves as atheist, but you ignore the answers, don't seem to even consider them, and go on doggedly asking the same question. The automatic inference is that you aren't really asking anything: you don't care what the answers are, rather you are asking questions as a form of ideological assault; attempting to reinforce the legitimacy of your own beliefs or deflect criticism away from them by asserting...
...a seperate and redundant issue. The reason you get the same issues and questions coming up time and time again on my "atheist" channels is that, more often than not, the answers provided are spurious, diversionary, politicking and impertinent; there has never been a satisfactory answer as to why a purportedly omnipotent being would create something as ambiguous, contradictory and seemingly chance-driven as this reality, nor why it would create systems whereby living entities rely upon...
remeber Jack is reading a lot of comments by a lot of atheist. So no doubt he gets many conflicting replies given its from many different people. I think his problem is trying to form a consistent view of the 'atheism ideology' which of course does not exist
Jack;
Do all Christians agree upon the meaning of Christianity?
and do they all agree upon their understanding of truth, the afterlife, or even God?
Matchu80 2 years ago
@SageOfScience
I was referring more to your comment regarding my analytical/skeptical nature or lack of. As if by analyzing my words and limited info on me you can come to understand what kind of person I am.
Just as we truly understand how the universe worked 4billion years ago, you understand me. Now you know... I'm sarcastic.
True perception is a direct observation or experience, not conjecture. That should help you to better understand my original point.
omegahunter9 2 years ago
I find it interesting how you state it like you know me at all. People are often blind to what they haven't experienced. You are currently incapable of understanding where I'm coming from because you lack knowledge of what I understand and of my experiences. To claim otherwise, in all honesty, is arrogant.
omegahunter9 2 years ago
you obviously have a problem with the concept of truth. it seem like you have to categorize religious truth as separate from scientific truth to somehow pose both as equal. that is BS and I think you know it!
TuplaPekka 2 years ago
Tupla- Actually I have no problem with the concept of truth. I have pointed out the obvious that the word 'truth' gets used in a variety of different ways.
TogetherForPeace 2 years ago
yes you have, and in doing so you try to give them all equal merit, which is BS. this idea that truth needs somekind of framework in which to operate and without that framework truth is meaningless is wrong in so many ways. if we can say that the truth is that jesus was son of god within the framework of the bible then we can say that we all are occupied by thetans within the framework of dianetics. take away yhe framework and both claims loose all credibility.
TuplaPekka 2 years ago
truth must be constant and independent from outside forces otherwise why call it a truth at all?
TuplaPekka 2 years ago
okay, so your list of things that are CRAZY complicated is: truth, logic, reason, rationality and reality...?
to me the phrase CRAZY complicated brings up things like metaphysics, quantum theory and and spacetime,
and dont get me wrong, Im not posing as somekind of genius, I doubt that Im any brighter than you are. the thing is that I never spend time thinking of these CRAZY complicated things before I let go of my religious beliefs - something you haven´t yet done.
TuplaPekka 2 years ago
I agree, bu the sad fact is Sin affects everyone. I.e A child whose father abuses him is more likely to abuse his son, etc.
But it also comes downto individual sin, everyone has sinned,(myself included) so no one is exempt from God's judgement.
I can sympathize with your position, I wrestled with that question a lot when I was younger.
Thanks and God bless.
Hethrin 2 years ago
Ah, well, in my belief that's because of sin.
God is perfect, and we screw up, by all rights we should be left to suffer. I do think that most people of faith have seen God move on their behalf...even in bad times.
But again, hank you for disagreeing peaceably.
Hethrin 2 years ago
Good point, thanks for being respectful :)
Hethrin 2 years ago
Indeed, but that's not my point. It's still claiming that none are true, in other words that your own position IS true.
I.E. it's flawed, because it' an absolute statement that attempts to disprove other absolute statements. Also, just because there are mutliple religions, does not mean none are true. Just because we have counterfeit money, does not mean we don't have real money.
Hethrin 2 years ago
That's where your view of what experience is, and mine, are quite different. Experience gives us the tools to perceive.
For an atheist who has "no evidence" of God, they have never observed or perceived things that they accept as evidence proving God's existence. I have experienced things that prove to me without a doubt that God exists. You and I come to different conclusions because of our differing experiences.
Relating experiences is how we as human beings perceive the world.
omegahunter9 2 years ago
People who say science disproves God, or Science can't prove God exists, are really stupid.
Science and God aren't even in the sam category..
Science has to do with the physical, which God obviously isn't.
Idiots..
xdairybastardx 2 years ago
I had a Geology professor introduce that concept to us. I have to say I really liked it.
KennyVaughan 2 years ago
And I gather that a Sage of Science is a wise man that could be worshiping a tool or not realize this worship so as to not recognize how ignorant the tool of science is about what that tool has yet to acquire. Data is a known quantity yet how does one measure the data that is yet to be gathered? Science is often wrong but self correcting when given the correct data. Yet Science can't differentiate data that is good from the bad. See Godel's incompleteness theorems before u trust so deeply
rusty2029 2 years ago
Mankind seems to have a need to worship things or we would not have created so many idols as tools to explain our superstition. I don't care if you where responding to me. Science is a tool that can be worshiped. Science does seem to emerge as an object of worship for some. But God is no self invented tool when I consider the sage advice of one Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus came down to offer us a way to love others and even our enemies. Sage wisdom that has stood the test of time.
rusty2029 2 years ago
Stating that instead of one religion being true, none are true is just as flawed. It still an assumption that one's position is right.
Hethrin 2 years ago
Right... Insert straw men like pink unicorns and teapot abstractions to attack to the man.
Do you think you employ logic or is it your way of biting at my ankles?
A Sage of Science might be worshiping mankind's own epistemic efforts but worshiping science will not help you find the loving God who I find to be so evident in the complexities all around us. I have a love for science my self but science is permanently provisional and often wrong. Mankind's ignorance is self evident in this way..
rusty2029 2 years ago
Jack, the fact that there's disagreement (even between Atheists) over the meaning of some terms... doesn't mean they don't have a definition.
What does it mean to be Christian? I bet you'll find as many, if not more, different answers to that.
More to the point, you try to pass off all the different cases of what is sometimes considered "Atheism" as merely being confusion (as though they can't all be Atheism).
Strong & Weak & "not believing and "believing not" are all examples of Atheism.
CharBroiled04 2 years ago
I'll give you 5* for the beard...it looks awesome :o)
wonderpope 2 years ago
So, you want a unified atheist philosophy and political movement? THAT's your real request?
Don't worry. We're working on that. Soon we'll be 25% of the U.S. population; it's coming...
psychoholicmike 2 years ago
I understand the lack of consistency among atheists, but among Christians and other religions, it's much, much worse.
Islam and Christianity are both spin-offs of Judaism. Catholics rail against polygamy; mormons embrace it.
All religions state (in total contradiction to all others) that they are the unquestionable, revealed TRUTH.
The only rational reaction to this situation is skepticism - agnostic atheism, the assumption (barring EXTRAORDINARY evidence) that all are untrue.
psychoholicmike 2 years ago
@Jack
I thought you were going on hiatus or something Jack? Not only have you not left YouTube, you've actually INCREASED your video output.
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
Dhor--nope things changed. it ebbs and flows. btw thnx for the 2 stars :)
TogetherForPeace 2 years ago
Interesting what you said about reality. I think in some ways it's hard to talk about truth and reality from an objective perspective. Most of what people perceive as truth is subjective, so it's hard to know what is exactly true about the world. Peace. :)
HaleyMary 2 years ago
I like the thick beard look lol.
I think you touched on some very important points, especially with how we interpret things from one situation to another. The way I see it an individuals perception of anything is limited to the things they've experienced. If you haven't experienced something, you have no way to perceive or conceptualize accurately on that 'something'.
Anyways, keep up the videos :P
omegahunter9 2 years ago
Lol... but let me be clear, when I say experience, I mean the ways in which we encounter aspects of our observation.... which probably makes less sense than it did before xD
omegahunter9 2 years ago
When it gets down to how atheists define themselves it seems to devolve into a form of complex question logical fallacy. Atheists want to reject God. Atheists seem to thrive on absence of evidence being evidence of absence. God wants a relationship with us that is more important then doctrine or dogma. A genuine truth seeker will follow the clues to where verisimilitude can be found. If atheism was a genuine exercise in logic then there would be more unanimity. That is why atheism is empty
rusty2029 2 years ago
Atheist don't reject God. You cannot reject something that doesn't exist. There is no evidence that there is one or more than one god, so until you can find proof, there is no God.
P.S. Thanks for your completely wrong diagnosis of an atheist.
bcraig5 2 years ago
@bcraig5
What's up Brad. How you been? Did you delete some of my comments on your page?
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
I'm doing fine. PM me.
bcraig5 2 years ago
Atheists do reject God as God has communicated with us and can even convict your heart that a loving God is ready to offer a relationship that will be eternal. It's the self evident self interest of atheists to reject God so that they are the only god they know. My diagnosis is not wrong as there is no unanimity among atheists. Atheists don't need or have evidence for the absence of God. Emotion, rejection, and blind faith is what atheists lean on. Atheism is self refuting.
rusty2029 2 years ago
Umm, no they don't as you cannot reject something that doesn't exist. That's like rejecting the tooth fairy. Sorry, but your diagnosis is wrong so stop acting like you know everything about atheism cause you obviously don't.
bcraig5 2 years ago
One more thing: using blind faith & emotion is more of your thing than it is mine. It must be opposite day where you're from.
bcraig5 2 years ago
"you people"!!! WTF that's supposed to mean Jack? :)
tooltime9901 2 years ago
He means, "yall peoples"
cguevara12 2 years ago
Jack, Have you ever tried being honest with yourself. You cant have any personal growth if you're not honest with yourself.
mrkurt13 2 years ago
My recent research indicates; early childhood abuse - physical and mental may be the greatest statistical factors in the formation of religious belief.
Did you experience abuse, Jack? I won't tell anyone.
thruthem 2 years ago
Really? I find it's usually the complete opposite.
LinkGrayX2 2 years ago
Are you really complaining about the 2 or 3 types of atheism while there are over 33,000 christian denominations?
IS this a joke?
thruthem 2 years ago 2
btw atheism makes no positivbe claims while the christians slaughtered each other for hundreds of years over theirs.
How can you EVER defend that perverted insanity?????????? ?
thruthem 2 years ago
So, if you allow that there IS a distinction between "truth" in the context of religion or Christianity, and "truth" in the context of everyday reality (I think that's what you said, but I'm not sure), doesn't that imply that it IS possible to have access to truth in a way that is independent of God--namely in the "everyday reality" version of truth?
RayBobb 2 years ago
great vlog
iToyRobot 2 years ago
Yeah were a pretty independent bunch but no more so then christians, there are tens of thousands of denominations of christianity so yeah... communication is a problem on this scale for everyone.
Definitions can be argued about all the time and not just by atheists. We ALL do this. We all disagree about what certain words mean. This is different in small groups like a church but its a major problem on the interwebs with such a large and varied community.
SamNoble89 2 years ago
It isn't that we're intrigued by the term "atheist" -- it's simply the quickest way to convey our general stance. A consequence of generalizing is a loss of details.
When an I get any more detailed than saying "I'm an atheist" in daily conversation it requires a bunch of extra explanation that I feel is irrelevant. If I tell someone that I'm an agnostic atheist, the response I typically get is: "Huh, how can you be both?" Throwing all kinds of other terms in only makes it more complicated.
EternalAlert 2 years ago
It was long but I really enjoyed it. I hope somebody's gonna respond you, this is an interesting issue.
LetLoveRule91 2 years ago
I really enjoyed this video brother. Maybe you should think about doing more unscripted vlogs on your channel. 5 stars
xmikeandlaurenx 2 years ago
Hi I'm the bob version and your video sheds light upon the minds of the religious people.
The problem is I think how you separate your frameworks. Atheists would tend towards (not always achieve) a single framework, but in order to survive in a secular society, you would have to separate everything into two different worlds. It's the way you think that is different, I think.
teenspirit1 2 years ago
The three great monotheistic religions say "good" means something different from its "secular meaning" (using your terms). This is just a straightforward confusion - and the first step on the path to madness. By "good", they mean ONLY AND EXACTLY "obedience to God". (God is perfectly good on this meaning, I'll grant, since He only does what God deems should be done. It's rather tautological, however.) Ex: Apologist JP Moreland said the 9-11 murderers were wrong BECAUSE their religion was wrong.
VeryEvilPettingZoo 2 years ago
(cont)
I'm not a theological mistake away from thinking the needless murder of thousands of innocents might be a good act, but Moreland apparently is. How else could it be for someone who takes religion seriously? To take religion seriously is to believe "good = obedience to God". Slavery = good. Dashing the little children on the rocks =good. Genocide of enemies = good. Sacrifice your own son if your delusions tell you to = good. This has nothing to do with good in the "inferior" secular sense
VeryEvilPettingZoo 2 years ago
VeryEvilPettingZoo: Actually you might be surprised to find that there is a school of thought in Christianity that says that morality is separate from God and that God is 'absolutely good' because he fulfills this morality and that if 'absolute good' were a different standard, then God would be different.
damianGray 2 years ago
The truth is...no one know the truth.
The thing I find with you Jack is that you misunderstand most of the people who comment on your vids. I am betting a LOT of people know where you are coming from because they have been there. They have rejected the biblical version of god for a reason. So you are trying to convert the unconvertible. Its a pointless exercise. Once you accept that, try and find that common ground and try and understand their reasons.
squirrly001 2 years ago 2
all you are showing here Jack is that some people are less informed about their positions than others. whether theist or not theist. The one thing we all share as human beings.......the inability to know all things.
If we didnt have a label like 'atheist' how else would we find the relevant videos on youtube ? LOL
I think this vid is good.
cjunk351 2 years ago
Yes.
theowarner 2 years ago
LOL. good vid Jack. I was so lucky to not have any discussion with any atheist when i was a strong believing christian. Just to have your own basic observation of the world around you. ;Athesit' is simply the opposite of 'theist'. Imagine trying to group all religions under one label 'theist'. Imagine the confusion then. One theist says muhammod is from god, one says he isnt etc etc. Thats why its broken down to proper labels like christian, catholic, shitte, sunni, jew etc.
cjunk351 2 years ago
Well, I'm glad you admitted you were wrong.
antybu86 2 years ago 2
The problem is not that people aren't listening to you I fear that you are not listening to other people. Granted the same can be said of other Atheists but not all, I do my utmost not to repeat myself, in fact my "Tell us something new" series is designed to help me not to have to
AsheIsTheRaven 2 years ago
atheism is a word that means nothing. to me its just something made up. atheism does offer you nothing or show you anything. you cant get anything out of it. just a word. there are alot of people who call themselves atheist and dont even know what it means. atheism doesnt offer any truth
Q5ify 2 years ago
Actually Atheism doesnt mean "nothing". There is a good definition on Wikipedia, look it up. Atheism in its truest nature is a non belief of a deity. Theism is a belief in a deity, the "A" in atheism means non. Theism and Atheism themselves do not offer anything directly, other than a label to express one's view on the belief of Deities. If you ask a Christian what does it mean to be a Theist, they would just say "a belief in God". They couldnt say anything else because Theism is so broad.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Theism and Atheism both claim truth, but that can be debatable. Neither Atheism nor Theism can irrefutably prove themselves to be true, for Theist claim that you can not test the spiritual world by the means of the material world.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
So does that not prove we should all be agnostic?
Espinozaize 2 years ago
You can't be Agnostic as a default, because there is no default. People have strong beliefs or non beliefs. Just claiming to be agnostic to avoid being wrong is just trying to dodge the issue. You can have a belief or a non belief, but if you claim truth, you are sadly mistaken.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Christians aren't the minority. You're the minority.
theowarner 2 years ago
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ohbucki53 2 years ago
You should have left the original post up. The speedy movements made it look more 'ranty'.
oh well.
riversonthemoon 2 years ago
Hey there Jack,
I don't think the issue is that you repeat yourself; the issue is that you constantly ask questions for which you have been given perfectly legitimate answers. Example: you ask what atheism offers, and are informed in no uncertain terms from a number of people who describe themselves as "atheist:" 1. "Atheism" isn't required to offer anyone anything; it is not a coherent lifestyle ideology, nor does it mean the same thing to everyone who adheres to the label. 2. A number...
ExaggeratedElegy 2 years ago 5
...of people who adhere to the label inform what they personally DO get from defining themselves as atheist, but you ignore the answers, don't seem to even consider them, and go on doggedly asking the same question. The automatic inference is that you aren't really asking anything: you don't care what the answers are, rather you are asking questions as a form of ideological assault; attempting to reinforce the legitimacy of your own beliefs or deflect criticism away from them by asserting...
ExaggeratedElegy 2 years ago 6
...a seperate and redundant issue. The reason you get the same issues and questions coming up time and time again on my "atheist" channels is that, more often than not, the answers provided are spurious, diversionary, politicking and impertinent; there has never been a satisfactory answer as to why a purportedly omnipotent being would create something as ambiguous, contradictory and seemingly chance-driven as this reality, nor why it would create systems whereby living entities rely upon...
ExaggeratedElegy 2 years ago 6
...the suffering and death of other entities for their existence, and so on and so forth.
ExaggeratedElegy 2 years ago 5
remeber Jack is reading a lot of comments by a lot of atheist. So no doubt he gets many conflicting replies given its from many different people. I think his problem is trying to form a consistent view of the 'atheism ideology' which of course does not exist
cjunk351 2 years ago 2