Illyrian-albanian continuity. Still deny it? (Part I)

[bobanona]

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[FlankerVT]

i have yet to see any real proof that illyrians are albanians

[dominthem]

@FlankerVT

If yoy really want to see the proofs , then you've to come in Albania and around to see it, in wikipedia can't be.

[FlankerVT]

I did go to Albania, the ethnic albanians seem to have the same culture and dress, diet, and dance and music styles as many other balkan nations, such as serbian and macedonian, and greeks. The only difference was the language and the religion. Besides their language and muslim faith, nothing I have seen had distinguished the Albanians from other balkan people. Where is the connection to Illyria??? Just because a historian says there "Might" be a connection, does not make it true.

[ghosturick666]

Might???Might???Oh man you're so funny!The language is basically the same as it was 3000 years ago!Muslim faith entered before 300 years ago!There isn't only a historian there are many!We are just speaking in the name of history, you on the other side,through politics!Have slavs or greeks the lahuta,or polyphonic groups?"macedonian" are bulgarians, and bulgarians of a mongolic origin as turks, but they adopt the slavic language and the christian religion!Protobulgarian isn't even indoeuropean!

[bobanona]

What?? Are you stupid man? It's the same like the religion of the most albanians. The Albanians weren't moslems earlier. They were forced to convert to the islam by the Ottomans. Such things can change a lot, so that today nobody can 100% say if serb is serb, albanian is albanian and greek is greek. It's normal. Just the pre-educated countries like England can say it about their own roots and can talk about their ancestors. The balkan countries are different.

[ghosturick666]

The root of all explanations is the language!It is spoken for the same language! Illyrian=Albanian!I don't even know where are you from!Just tell me and i'll be glad to inform you about other facts!

[ethnikhart]

**** !

[PelasgicMoon]

ok, after seeing some posts maked by some peoples, maked my video, i posted it as an answer of this video, his name is "Albanology"

[PhDErvin]

Britannica is not the best source to refer to, but I'm not historian and I use it as an easy reference.

[Apokorwnioths1984]

But this article of Albania that Prifti signs, not only says this about Epirus, it also implies that "Cameria and Kosovo should be given to Albania" . What kind of historical article for encyclopedia is this!!! This is more a political article that concerns Albania..Anyway this contradicts the other article which isn't signed by a specific author.

[dominthem]

Do you consider Britanica a reliable source Apo..? Do you think that we can consider it like this? Because, I think that if Britanica put an article by someone, it take the responsability of signing it, is like telling to us : he did this work for me. Or not? Why you do not accept the Prifti's work, but some greek sources yes? I don't think like this anyway. If the arguments convince me, then doesn't matter if he's albanian, greek or alien. I accept it.

[dominthem]

And if I have something against his(her) theory, then I put down my arguments. Not telling that he(she) is greek, so I do not accept the theory. Anyway, sometimes is good to know what the neighbour think. Keep well.

[PhDErvin]

What do you mean by signing? Everything included in Britannica is written by humans not by robots. The article on Epirus could be contributed by a Greek as well. Give me an article that Britannica signs. The article on Albania can be referenced as:

"Albania." Encyclopædia Britannica. Ultimate Reference Suite. Chicago: Encyclopædia Britannica, 2008.

[Apokorwnioths1984]

You are wrong. Check out the article "Epirus". It doesn't include any name, neither it is signed by anyone (of course it is a product of humans and not by robots, but my point is that since it doesn't include any name it is the official article about Epirus of britannica).

The article Albania includes two names which is signed by : Peter Prifti (Albanian) , and Elez Biberaj (Albanian). Therefor it can't be considered neutral. I don't really think that any Albanian would write differently

[Apokorwnioths1984]

Britannica 2008: After the Mycenaean civilization declined, Epirus was the launching area of the Dorian invasions (1100--1000 BC) of Greece. The region's original inhabitants were driven southward by the Dorians, and out of the ensuing migrations three main clusters of Greek-speaking tribes emerged in Epirus: the Thesproti of southwestern Epirus, the Molossi of central Epirus, and the Chaones of northwestern Epirus.

[Apokorwnioths1984]

In the Neolithic period Epirus was populated by seafarers along the coast and by shepherds and hunters from the southwestern Balkans who brought with them the Greek language. These people buried their leaders in large mounds containing shaft graves. Similar burial chambers were subsequently used by the Mycenean civilization, suggesting that the founders of Mycenae may have come from Epirus and central Albania.

[dominthem]

Strabon is greek, no? Tell me one ancient greek who says clearly that epirotes are greeks (hellenes). Don't do it like nixter88 that here said that Alexander the Great says about himsel that itt was greek and in his profile he said to other friends that :Alexander the Great never said it, but he used these words to make people feel more the greekness. Please, we have to be a bit realists, not follow our feelings.

[PhDErvin]

Another extract from the same article on Epirus used by Apokroniotis:

"To the 5th-century historian Thucydides, the Epirotes were "barbarians." The only Epirotes regarded as Greek were the Aeacidae, who were members of the Molossian royal house and claimed descent from Achilles."

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I'm not a historian but this extract makes it clear that he Epirotes, except Aeacidae, were not regarded as Greek.

[Apokorwnioths1984]

This article says nothing about links of Epirtoes to Albanians (or Illyrians). It says that Epirotes were regarded as barbarians from the rest of the Greeks because they were living in clusters in small villages.

It clearly states that the three Epirote tribes (Molossians, Chaones, Thesproties) were Greek speaking.

[Apokorwnioths1984]

It wasn't about nationality but about their way of living and their cultural level.

[PhDErvin]

This article does not say that, but the previous article does bring the LINKS:

"The Illyrians were not a uniform body of people but a conglomeration of many tribes that inhabited the western part of the Balkans, from what is now Slovenia in the northwest to (and including) the region of EPIRUS, which extends about halfway down the mainland of modern Greece."

[Apokorwnioths1984]

Yes the article written by Peter R. Prifti!!!!

Please give me a break.

[Apokorwnioths1984]

Prifti is an Albanian surname. Someone doesn't need to be a genius to understand it. this is in article "ALBANIA" in britannica. All these are not nor in the article of Epirus , neither in the article of Illyria.

[dominthem]

Where Encyclopedia Britanica says it Apo..? Could you, please provide us the link where it says these words? I'm asking it because, if you remember, some time ago we had a discussion about. And you said to me more or less: Your source isn't viable, because it was the Brittanica of the year 1911. And it change every year". Or not? I have checked Britanica and there isn't any line who says: Epirus was greek. Who is the personality who said it?

[Apokorwnioths1984]

dominthem britannica1911 is another thing (published in 1911 from a different publisher than the next versions, that's why the online version exists, as a reference to that era) and the contemporary britannica's such as britannica 2008 different, and reflect more to the present.

Your fellow Albanian used britannica 2008 as a source, and i remember in another video he was arguing about the non-Greekness of Epirotes. A bit contradictive.

[Apokorwnioths1984]

It says this about Epirus (the new britannica):

Ancient country, northwestern Greece.

It was bounded by Illyria, Macedonia, Thessaly, Aetolia, Acarnania, and the Ionian Sea. In the Neolithic Period Epirus was populated by peoples from the southwestern Balkans, who brought with them the Greek language and who may have been among the founders of Mycenae.

[Apokorwnioths1984]

This article of Britannica that PhDErvin is referred at is not signed by britannica but by a guy named "Peter R. Prifti" , and it is included in britannica. The surname Prifti dominthem can it be Albanian?!? Because this article of britannica seems TOO MUCH pro Albanian.

[dominthem]

The surname Prifti is albanian yes, and it means Priest. But Peter Prifti is not the same with that other guy who signed the other article and defending the theory of : Epirus was greek or something like this? Because someone have to write in Britanica and after we, the others will quote it. Do you want to say that he is of albanian origin and he cannot be a scolar? Open the book 7 chapter 7 of Strabon. What he says exactly about Epirus?

[dominthem]

He says:"When britannica says clearly that Epirus was Greek , you don't like it albos and don't accept it ha? When it suits you then suddenly britannica becomes a trustful source. By the way this article of britannica is signed by a specific person unlike the majority of articles, and it is part of article "Albania". In the article about Illyrians it says "Some scholars believe Albanians are descendants of Illyrians".

[dominthem]

By my mistake, I deleted one replay of Apokorwnioths1984 directed to PhDErvin. By chance I had the video responses, so I did the copy of that message who was the following:

[patrioti2]

Thanks for the video. I would like to suggest one thing, if you can change the title of the video from "Still deny it ?" to something like Illyrian-Albanians. The reason I am suggesting you is that, it is very hard to find this video by searching. Have a good day. Keep up the good work.

[x16anita16x]

nice 1 bro

[dominthem]

Thank you acer... But when history is mixed up with political interests, then probably there will be a problem. See today's Balcans. P.s. You send me some wonderful videos, thank you for sharing.

[acerb45666555]

all history is valuable!! 5*****

[dominthem]

1decembrie1918.

I'll remove this message, cause you are insulting other people there. But, before, I would like to be correct with you, so I beg you to corrige your message. If you don't do it in 2 hours, I will remove the mssg without more.

Thank you for understanding it.

[PhDErvin]

Extract from Encyclopedia Brittanica: "But the Slavs, who started their incursions into the Balkan Peninsula in the 6th century, had by the end of the 7th century transformed the ethnic structure of all the Illyrian-speaking territories. Croatia, Serbia, Dalmatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, and parts of Macedonia lost their Illyrian language and were thoroughly Slavonized, so that only the Albanians remain as direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians."

[ethnikhart]

Thanks!

[PhDErvin]

Thank you, this is an unbiased video that gives good facts I hadn't known.

This gives a lesson to "politicians" who sell themselves as competent and mess with the history, this is the job of archeologists, linguists, and historians.