C to C Kayak Roll Identifier

[MrBojangles431]

These are great videos speusa and a valuable tool I point my students towards before we go to the pool. I wonder if you would be willing to post a video dedicated to the hand roll. I know you demonstrate a hybrid hand roll in you last video in the series but a video specifically addressing the techniques for a basic hand roll would help out some of my students.

[chiloeleone]

Let me know how i can help

[nuggetrash]

everyone is diferent, im 16 years old ive been kayaking all my life bu i st cant get the roll very well any tips at all, its wen im under the water i cant get it i jst dont understand wat to do with my paddle :(

[speusa]

OH yes that is the comment of the day. IF the opposite knee does engage during the recovery it is the kiss of death. That is one of the most common reasons for roll failure.

[MatusMihely]

you do it wrong.. :D

[jhodg75]

Thanks so much for the video. Just accomplished the C to C as my first unassisted roll today!

[speusa]

Yes stick with your chosen one first. I suggest for a touring kayak the twist and slice roll or the back deck sweep. You go through that motion and it will work.

Chris

[2010jib]

Man i thought I had rolling mastered and yet there are so many techniques and so much to think about I seemed to have lost it again. Can't seem to do any of them now. I have a tourer - is it the same advice as for sea kayaks?

[theGnarlz]

rolling a kayak is just so easy...

[TheMolzymay]

I think the twist and slice roll helps me better thanks

[speusa]

Hey I think the twist and slice is the best for the sea kayak and you. It does not require super thigh hook outfitting and with your limited flexibility I would give it a try.

[arnomarten]

Hi what do you think is best roll technique for sea kayak. I am not super flexible due to a little accident.

Thanks

[suziedundas]

I recently started learning how to do this, but I think a problem I'm having is that I have a heavy and long torso and short little legs (I'm a girl) so those last few degrees to sit up are really hard. Any advice? I almost get it, and I think I'm up, and then the weight of my torso brings me back down. I'm not a big person, just oddly proportioned. Thanks!

[speusa]

@suziedundas If you can be very careful to stack the vertebrae as in the lower ones first up to the tippy top of the head which should be absolute last. The other thing is to not sit up by engaging your other knee on the opposite side of the kayak to get you up. That will instantly bring the boat over on top of you again as you fall into the water. Lastly I have never met a person that is oddly proportioned enough to make the roll fail. I think it is your technique. Flexibility is key.

[WiresAnSteel]

@speusa Hi, does that mean the opposite knee isn't engaged while doing the recovery?

[suziedundas]

I recenly started learning how to do this, but I think a problem I'm having is that I have a heavy and long torso and short little legs (I'm a girl) so those last few degrees to sit up are really hard. Any advice? I almost get it, and I think I'm up, and then the weight of my torso brings me back down. I'm not a big person, just oddly proportioned. Thanks!

[trikstadude3]

For someone who has kayaked before but not rolled, (ala, me :) ) can you give me any tips for rolling ? I can see myself panicking under water when we do this on monday.

Help me calm down ? ? ? D:

[speusa]

Hahh,,,,,,,make sure you can hold your breath and tap the bottom of your kayak for 10 second to 20 seconds first. Have your instructor lift you up. Always have something to focus ( the plan of action) on so your mind can not go nuts. Remember you are not the lone ranger. May feel a little wierd when they first go under. Stay focused.

[layzbk]

@trikstadude3

When i learnt how to do the C to C kayak roll (BTW, thats the easiest one in my opinion) i started by rolling upside down. Laying in the water ready to bail out of the kayal and just see that, theres no reason to panic. You can stay down there for a real long time.

[DavidPx]

@n1ck3o7 It looked like he was preventing her from jabbing him in the gut! I'm sure his assistant is a good paddler.

[girbedancin]

How do you roll without a nose plug?

[1cingSugar]

@girbedancin blow air out though your nose.

[tonyboysax]

thx for the vids

im,e just leaning the roll,havent got it nailed yet,only three succesful atempts so far.

went out today with two others in our sea kayaks

mine is an early valley nordkapp.found it very tippy at first,but am absolutely loving it now,very fast

[TheTruthHurtsYup]

Thanks for the vids. What brand and model yak do you like to use for big open water where takling good sized surf and having good speed and tracking on the open water is paramount? I've looked at surfskis, but I don't feel I'm at that level yet and their pricey, so kinda looking for a in between of performance and price(trying to keep it about $1500). My local place recommends eddyline(they primarily sell them) but I don't want to just get one places suggestions. Thanks for the info.

[speusa]

Well the older boats.......I think it is tough to go back to them. The thing that I did like about them was that they had some speed that you could use in the bigger water in getting around. But I think in general I feel more free and agile in the newer boats....but to a point....in the big water of the Futaleufu when we are not playing we tend to go with Diesels and Remixes. In the middle of the Throne or Zeta the advantages of a little play boat but are not likely to be used.

[speusa]

ches, can you rotate the wrist and hand back as if you are holding a small plate in the palm of your hand. If you can do that you could easyly have the inside hand on the sweep be your right control hand on the twist and slice roll. it is just controlling the angle of the blade...it lets all resistance or force go. The force is created by your torso.

[cheskybaba]

Thanks for the reply Chris. No I can't rotate the wrist over -right arm (was a terrible waiter). My left arm will be my forward arm. I'll try all the rolls. Chris - I saw that Niagara footage about two years ago and couldn't believe it - now I can't believe I'm talking to you. How do the older boats compare to todays? They seem more stable in the waves.

[speusa]

If I could really see the potential movement available in your wrist I could recommend which roll would be best. I agree left arm forward. A conventional sweep with hip snap might be the best in your case is what I am thinking. Thanks for the nice comments.

chris

[speusa]

Hmmm I would like to know more about the use of the arm that you have...how limited.....but remember in many of these rolls the arms are just an extension or a connection to the moving torso so you to not have to create much force from the arms............I would think the twist and slice or the back deck sweep roll might be the best for your situation. We do have roll classes in Patagonia if you ever make it that way. Thanks for the comment. OH if you have a very short torso then the boat

[cheskybaba]

Thanks for replying Chris. My right arm has limited mobility and strength. Can't fully extend it or rotate my wrist over, that's about the most limiting movement. I've been trying with friends, but I'll take a professional class too. Would love to get to Chile and run the stuff you do one day. I hope you'll still be kayaking then.

[cheskybaba]

I'm new to kayaking. I have a LL Jefe - is this a difficult boat to roll because of its high lg. volume bow? I have a birth defect in one arm and will most likely only roll on one side - what would be the easiest roll, in your opinion, that doesn't use much arm strength? Thanks for the videos, wish I could take a class with you.

[speusa]

can make a difference but usually if your techniqe is right the kayak is not stopping you from coming up.

[speusa]

Techno,

Thanks for the comments. Are you doing a twist and slice type of roll or are you rotating with in the hip snap or what we call the C to C motion? ( C to C is  what the upper body does to allow the hips to snap to their fullest) chris

[TechnoEngineer]

Rather than "dink" the head I prefer to rotate the body - going from facing up towards the surface (at set up) to facing down during the recovery.

[TheDuckOfOz]

Great video! The clearest one i could find by far. Hopefully i will be able to learn this fast. Thank you

[flyingace451]

I use a C to C and Sweep hyprid mainly. It works great for me, even in whitewater.

The main thing with this roll, as with any roll, is you are moving the kayak around your head. Not your head around the kayak. When learning this, if you concentrate on simply moving the boat upright with your hips, your head will naturally follow.

This is also the easiest roll to use when hand rolling IMO.

[speusa]

Thanks for the commment. Ineresting way to look at it. Their are lots of ways to look at it actually. I tend to foucus on (for beginners ) what their core and their spine needs to do ...RELATIVE to the kayak ...not relative to the surface .....up or down. Once they have that movement down...then I bring in other perspectives.

[flyingace451]

I'm an engineering student, so the perspective I mentioned was the one that actually made this roll "click" with me. Also practicing the "buddy rescue" and then basicly converting my friend's boat into my paddle blade, I got it pretty quickly. Thanks for the kind words, and keep up the videos. They're great for any paddler, beginner or not.

[speusa]

Yes we are working on the hand roll video

chris

[rshfn44]

took my first lesson today. I was being taught to roll upright without using the paddle. do ya have a video on that type of roll up ? it somewhat reminds me of the one ya call C to C !

[ta338012]

Really good video. The first C position is incredibly awkward to me . . . look at the position of her arm at :55; it almost covers up her face. The sweep seems so much simpler to me, but I realize everyone is different.

[speusa]

Yes everyone is different...and depending on your body type you may find your body more able to do one of the rolls more than the other.......but the overwhelming reason for roll failure is technique ( like pulling your head up to soon) not body flexibility. But C to C requires major flexiblity.

chris

[reingelegt]

very wet shorty good quality

[speusa]

yes it could be. take a look at the back deck roll......which is a little more of a standup position. Also take a look at the twist and slice roll.

[kyaker123]

can you do a hand rolling vid please!

[clarebear2402]

oh if only it were that simple! Is it because i am older and less supple that i find the curving hard?!

[kyaker123]

When is the hand roll vid coming on Chris? P.S - Been kayaking anywhere nice lately? Finally, when is that futaleilfu river thing coming to discovery channel i've been dying to see it!

[kyaker123]

key moments at 1:18 be sure to watch the rest of the vid if its your first time though!

[speusa]

Now you are getting it. Now it is hard to do that because it is counterintuitive in the water but that is what you want to do.

chris

[kyaker123]

ive done 1 but havent tried another yet!

[speusa]

I hope it serves you well. Thanks for the thanks

chris

[kyaker123]

oh i forgot to say, when i tried that c to c on land thing, you can really feel the power and of how that would quite easily work in water with minimal support!

[Scodge08]

After a short bit of practice at keeping my body and head in the water for as long as possible I did the roll in the pool a few weeks back, then confidently in the lake last week all thanks to this video! Thanks very much!

[kyaker123]

ive realsied she nearly wacked you in the head with the paddle, i just saw that. for anyone that looks, its after the roll!

[gotdavid14]

thanks so much for these videos, i can roll my new play boat now and am looking forward to running little river canyon. Again, thank you, i have been very sick of being the only one on a sit on top kayak when we go down the river.

[sovietdragon99]

speusa im a friend of kayaker 123 and want to really thank you cause i find it alot easier to understand the roll now

[speusa]

Hahhh....you are right You should go smoothly but agressively. Do that on the dry land and you will feel the knee and the waist muscle come into play( what is usually described as hips) Their is one reason why over time have left the term "hip snap" because it is not descriptive enough. Though at times it works. I am asking to drive your hips up as you drive your head down.  ( the c to c action) IT IS WAY more than just a hip snap in a sense it is the entire spine.

[kyaker123]

Speusa if you have a proper email or summat i can write by then plz send it me in a private message so tlkin is easier for me! thanks!

[speusa]

Yes it is the hips and the knee. Exactly it is even more than the hip an knee...it is the entire spine Starting with the hip and knee. NOW next time you are in a kayak on dry land go from the C on one side hard and fast to the C on the other side. You will realize the only to do that is use the knee and muscles around your hip. In a sense the way I teach it is to trick you into a hips snap by following exacttly what the video says. Try it dry and let me know what you think.

[kyaker123]

well i have done 1 in water but i left it at that, im back in tommorow so ill be replying at about 10 pm english time (about 4 in america) i think. Ill reply to you nd if you wud read it then (if possible) then immediate feedback or discussion cud mean we get to go into proper detail. Or, have you got an email adress so i dont have to send so many comments? but the trick you said you do, it doesn't really work because you go from 1 c to another much to slowly if you follow the vid like i did!!!!

[kyaker123]

but i still wudn hav got it without this so thanks!

[speusa]

Sure I can give some help.

chris

[kyaker123]

Ok, i did the roll (Once on my last go!) before getting out because i went cold nearly dying again.. that aside, i did it after a 5 minute talk from an instructor or just someone who helped me because he saw me struggling. After 5 minutes of him talking i got it. What i've found this video didn't emphasise enough for me is that the work is done with the hips more than anything and that the paddle is just like a sort of er platform! EMPHASISE THE HIPS AND KNEE!

[kyaker123]

i managed to get half way up with this roll, so ill concentrate on this 1

[speusa]

mmm we need you to commit to one of these rolls and really go for it till you get it. Let me know what is your plan? Are you flexible? What age? whitewater sea kayak?

[kyaker123]

Im flexible as i do karate. Im 13 soon to be 14. around 6 ft tall and the kayaks we use are not sea kayaks but not play boats either. ill try to find out the exact name but they can be used on white water and are fairly stable too. Not for playboating nor sea kayaking. I want to learn the easier roll first but with the c to c i found the paddle movement practice above water impossible, i didn't know what to do not because the video is unclear i just well cant get it right!

[kyaker123]

hey, ill tell you if i manage the roll today, if not then will you be able to give me any further advice? If not it doesn't matter as this vid is detailed so...

[kyaker123]

just like the twist and slice roll i completely failed doing this please give advice

[charlzie94]

amazin, very helpful, cheers a lot, amazin

[j53iliff2]

why is this better than the Twist and Slice roll?

It looks easier. Are there other reasons?

[kyaker123]

Well your right, i've found this to be easier but really there doesn't seem to be any other reason, it might be that it's more reliable but i don't know. Try them both and when you do them decide for your self, that's what im gonna do!

[markshark72]

1:20 bookmark =]

[yusthavinfun]

this is the first roll we use to learn the kids in my club.

its a good eazy and ecpeccialy a very reliable one. since it works in both big and small kayjacks.

[DreadEarth]

this was the first roll i learned

that was 15 years ago and its still the roll i use most often

[kyaker123]

i cnt wait to do this roll, but when is the hand roll video coming because ive looked but havent found it. ive looked at other videos but you explain everything so well etc that it would be better to watch one of yours. Please put a hand roll vid on your vids are amazing and this is one roll i think is very important! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!

[seank077]

Yeah your right I just did my C to C roll after watching this video. took me a few trys but I got there.

[TCXJWAGONEER]

I have been paddling for 2 years now and This video was my start into rolling. I watched in over and over again. Went out with a friend and practiced. It is very well done and now I use this video to teach others how to roll. I also used the rodeo roll video to learn that for my playboating. GREAT VIDEOS!!!! YOU SHOULD PUT OUT MORE!!!!

[soleary0339]

I must thankyou for my first year's success. I watched these videos hundreds of times. i am confident in still water %100 for the c to c and the slice rolls. I am still having a difficulty in class 3 water rolling. I think it is a mental block. Is there any technique for overcoming this obstacle?

[ShortGrumpyKayaker]

Just keep calm underwater

(easier said than done i know).

Remember your body and paddle postion and go for it.

Find some deep moving water, like a wave train, paddle into it and throw yourself over. then roll back up.

It helps get you used to the sensation of moving water. It helped me and my friends a lot.

[drumhead95]

can you not go over to the way the paddle is?

[speusa]

sure, that would be the next step in the transition to doing the roll all on their own. It is a little less likely to be confused by what is going on with this step in there.

[speusa]

IN my humble opinion I agree to an extent....many rolls work when done right, certainly more than just the C to C. However if one gets back to air by lifting their head or pushing their paddle down, it may be one of the quickest routes up, but their may unintended consequences to their shoulder joint.

[nucklejam]

that he once got in a kayak. love to see his vid, its a nice demo but he does support her.

[FoleyTheBeast]

Thats not a C to C roll. Its a slightly different to that.

[speusa]

Pray tell

[unicinctus]

i really hate how easy she makes that look.lol I have to put a lot of concentration and effort into getting it right.

[Kuviasuktok]

Agreed, if you look in slo-mo you can see that she's not using the paddle to get up but rather using the paddle as support for the hip flick - thereby avoiding possible shoulder injury. Great demo!

[nucklejam]

you also see him support the kayak and the paddle as she flicks

[Kuviasuktok]

I don't see it. He certainly doesn't support the kayak to assist the roll. I trust this guy not to pull a fast one like that.

[nucklejam]

he supports it coming back, but its not so much the kayak during the roll, its the paddle he supports to help her slow it down, im not critiquing, i admire this guys instruction.

[moh2o]

Ok Dude You seem to by some sort of master roller, so why don't you EXPLAIN exactly what this guy is teaching wrong? That looks like a pretty good C to C to me.

[stupidpaddler]

thes best roll is coming up in an aggresive postiion so when you're gettin a can o woopass in a hole you face doesnt meet a rock

[moh2o]

I have a friend that does a hybrid roll and he always comes up in a face forward aggressive position.

[Tibarus]

What that I know a shitty roll when i see one?

[theracingrhino]

LMAO dude you obviously don't know who this guy is...

[unicinctus]

had my first ever attempt at rolling last week (thought i could jsut do it because it looked so easy lol) failed miserably. Last night, after watching this clip about 30 times in slow motion i went to the beach and had a go and it worked first time. its effortless if you concentrate on what you are doing. Brilliant video, well explained. cheers Speusa.

[Kuviasuktok]

I've learned to sweep roll on either side and plan to get the C to C down this year. One of the advantages of the C2C I've read is that you can roll in more confined spaces and that its more head protective. It seems to me that you need just about the same room to sweep as to C2C. I might be wrong but I'll find out this summer. At least now I know what C's in C2C mean, thanks.

[nakedbullwinkle]

wow..the light went off in my head with the demonstration with her above water...her paddle went along for the ride and the body moved the paddle,,there was no deliberate manipulation of the paddle and her torso controlled the paddle the whole time..when seeing when someone is capsized, it looks like they move the paddle and pop up but the body is doing all the work and the paddle is just an extension of it....I understand...ding goes the bell in my head.

[speusa]

You got it now. If you want to put more power into do it with the movement of the torso or (ear torwards hip fast and full) That is where the power is...just an extension of the body movement.

[MoOnLiTwOlF]

Thanks for posting and creating this. Its really interesting to watch - I hope this helps tomorrow night! However all the names seem a little confusing.. C to C.. Sweep... Is it best to not try to focus on movements with a particular name when starting out?

[kirkway33]

cheers thats great i can carry out all ur rolls but back deck, just cant get the fluid motion of the paddle

well done

[Junebugberry]

The Inuk forward sweep roll is also a great first roll to learn. There's a vid of it at blueheresothere

[ManiaCop100]

its easyer doing it in a swimming pool, because ......... Its not COLD, when I capzied in the river, I tuck me a min to get my breath back because how cold it was.

[methusula9]

Your videos on rolling are excellent. Thanks for taking the time to do them.

[credenda700]

This is a great help for someone trying to master the C to C. (me) I notice that she is very flexible and has long arms.She can keep her set-up position almost completely out of the water. Can this roll be done sucessfully by a short-armed gal with less than youthful flexion? Thanks for the video!

[speusa]

Yes it can be done by short people.  However you did make some valid observations.

Often I change a person that is not very flexible to the Twist and slice roll. Send me a video file of your roll and I can give you some advice.

chris

[credenda700]

Chris, thanks for your help. I have given up on the C to C and have gone to the sweep roll. If this doesn't work out, I'll definately be in touch!

[clax1771]

It bogels the mind why simple minded idiots always go out of there way to open their yaps and let shit tumble out. I mean if you're that stupid, just realize it and shut up! This guy has went out of his way to help people and for thanx he gets ignorant comments. Well, I want to say thankyou.  Your vids will help my friends learn the roll and get them motivated. cheers.

[speusa]

Thanks, there is tons of time, cost and love of the sport into this production. Profit motive is not there. I really love to teach. Thanks for your comment.

[framed0000]

can't wait to try this

[andypandypudinapie]

thanks its a great help my roll is a long time coming

[knutove1]

Great video. Im looking at it over and over again while i follow the moves now, and are heading out to try it in a few hours. Just gotta build me a strong mental picture of the tecnique. Hope i get it this time, so i can begin to follow my girlfriends in the river :)

Thanks for producing and posting it. Greetings from Norway.

[Malcolm400]

Well I think the video is a great help - just hope I can put it into practise

[88mjolnir88]

Great success for Karen!

[speusa]

Thank you for your comment. I am so confused why someone would bother making nasty comments...I thought maybe his slang was actually reverse for something positive.  Any how the information is there for you to really improve the roll. Remember do not try to get up but try to complete the technique 100 percent and you will find yourself up.

[akobilis]

Very good video. Thanks for posting this. I'm having some trouble with mine, and this demo certainly helped a lot. Pay no attention to the hateful comments, they're extremely common on youtube. Apparently people have nothing better to do with their time than watch things that they don't enjoy.

[moibt]

outstanding!!

[speusa]

Is your comment a negative comment or a postive comment on the technique demonstrated. ???

[stovedale]

that girl cheated, and fake

[speusa]

are you kidding???

[theoneandonly690]

how the hell can you cheat?

[RodeoTom]

thats just a normal front deck roll that everyone does

[speusa]

I hope you are kidding. A front deck roll comes up on the front deck as its name suggests.

[denismarcio]

Excelente!! Paraéns pela iniciativa.

[calpulli115]

buen video, felicidades

[calpulli115]

muy didactico el video,