Brazil air crash still not solved - 18 July 2008

[Decodondon]

There is now an air crash investigation episode on this crash

[Penguin5628]

How Did This Video Be Done The 17 2008 In July Since He Said the Crash has The 18! Pretty Fishy...

[jjd896]

Wait, how is it possible this video was uploaded July 17th when the title says "18 July"???

[Blastoiserulz]

I never said that... Plus, the 777&787 are OK

[archer49d]

@Blastoiserulz They're FBW equipment and I don't trust it, for more than one reason. A320 series forward and 777 series forward are not worth their mettle as aircraft, they're efficient, that's about it, they're not great "aircraft" per se.

[archer49d]

I'll solve it for you... it was an Airbus, case closed.

[Blastoiserulz]

@archer49d Boeings worse

[archer49d]

@Blastoiserulz In youre imaginary world I'm sure it is, but here in the real world their product is significantly better.

[Blastoiserulz]

@archer49d Then why have Boeing planes contributed to the worst air disasters 747 and why has the 737 killed more people than the entire Airbus range?

[archer49d]

@Blastoiserulz If you're trying to say that the Tenerife crash was due to bad design then you have no clue what you're talking about.

Let's see then about the 737, its been in service almost twice as longa s Airbus has been around, it's been through 3 generations where most Airbus designs have only seen one generation, and is flown commonly in parts of the world that are not known for good mx or pilot training. An Airbus is a computer with wings, Boeings are true airplane (excluding 777, 787)

[Blastoiserulz]

@archer49d If I do (hopefully) make an airline, Boeing will be on my list of carriers for my fleet(777,787)

[TheGuruNeversleeps]

definetly! I've flown recently with airbus A380 double decker plane and many other new series airbuses but none of them compare in flight comfort or assembly and research for eye friendly details such as boeing. and I'v been flying for 20 years now... flown DC10's , which have been the worlds most "deadly" aircrafts, dc-9 and relative newer versions such as md 80's, and so on you name it ! I simply feel more secure and at ease in boeings.

[snowfoxkillr]

WTH TITLES SAYS the (18th) u Listed this on the 17th

[rangelso]

It was solved long ago, similar accident happened to a320 lufthansa in warsaw 1993, well known fly-by-wire problem causing aircraft FMC system failure to deploy breaks on landing on wet runways in humid conditions. Decreased friction between wheels and the surface causes FMC to "think" the aircraft is still airborne as the wheels can easily skid in such conditions for significant amount of distance when it's to late to stop the plane before the end of the available runway.

[pedrorehm]

Wet runway and bad maintence of it! I landed 1 week after this happend there, I WAS RELLY AFRAID OF MY LIFE!!!

[Kingfordian22]

@pedrorehm

My father was onboard the first flight that landed after they re-opened the airport. He said that the plane was so quiet, you could hear a pin drop. And he looked out his window and saw the plane itself, with the smouldering TAM tail still at thee crash site.

[monkeyman1140]

Usually its the other way around, private industry is cutting corners and has bureaucracy, and government is the technically oriented regulatory body.

[nbabab3]

Fox news is a far right radical hate speeding TV in America

[roborob767]

@nbabab3 give an example...

[jstrahan2]

that the plane's manufacturer, Airbus, should have provided alarms warning the pilots that the braking system was failing; and that TAM failed to properly train its pilots, who did not act correctly in the emergency.

[Blastoiserulz]

@jstrahan2 Thank you. See, Archer 49d?

[jstrahan2]

Investigators last year determined the probable cause: That the pilots mistakenly retarded only the left engine to idle, because the right one had no thrust reverser working when in fact it was necessary to retard both engines in order for the spoilers to work. They also said that the airport should have been closed that night. because of heavy rains; that airport authorities shared the blame because the runway had not been properly constructed with grooves to drain away excess rainwater;

[archer49d]

@jstrahan2 There's plenty of ungrooved runways in the world, and there are aircraft performance manuals that give you landing figures and adjustments for every expected operating parameter. But the throttle lever design on Airbusses is atrocious at best, more than one accident has been caused by this. Most Boeing's on the other hand are "simple"; they do what you tell them to when you tell them to do it, not after you get the blessing from a computer for being a good "switch monkey".

[jstrahan2]

I'm just curious. Are you or are any of your friends or relatives Boeing employees? Thank you.

[archer49d]

@jstrahan2 Why would they be? I'm speaking from fist hand experience here, you should really look up how many accidents have been cause by "accidental" throttle advances in Airbusses and how many in Boeings. Start with the S7 airlines incident a few years back.

[jstrahan2]

Because, your complete ripping of Airbus and extolling of Boeing indicates a possible bias. I'm just trying to get the facts. For the record, no relatives or friends of mine are employees of either company. I am a current airline pilot flying the CRJ. I don't see that Airbus is much worse or better than Boeing. And, if so, if you have the evidence, present it to the authorities (FAA, etc.) If justified, certificate action would be taken. Until then, your statements are suspect.

[archer49d]

@jstrahan2 Notice I said "MOST BOEING'S", the 777 and 787 are not on my hot list, I have no faith in, and no desire to, ever fly an FBW aircraft. Have you flown (simulator or actual) either A or B equipment? I have, and the Airbus is an aircraft designed to be used by system operators (engineer), not pilots. Boeing products 707-767 are true "pilot's airplanes".

[jstrahan2]

I see that you have still not answered my question. Looking through your posts and your quite rude and outlandish reactions to others (especially micbaca who has been quite polite and tolerant, considering) I would advise others that your posts should be ignored, which I will do from now on. (My background is USAF pilot training and nearly 30 years experience flying, 23 in the airlines.)

[singapore7773]

@archer49d i agree with what u r saying. even though 777 is my favorite. i avoid airbus as much as possible

[poka4anu]

а не 2007 год ли?в углу справа вверху видео!

[billyboy31687]

july 07 u spa

[getplaning]

Bureaucracy did not cause this aircraft to overshoot its landing. But that doesn't stop people who want to privatize airports from taking advantage of this unfortunate accident to push their agenda.

[micbaca]

the reason they don't find some of the bodies is because they go through the turbines.....nothing is left but ash. Sort of like instant cremation.

[archer49d]

@micbaca How does it feel just making things up?

[micbaca]

So you get on a video about airplanes crashing and people dying and pull 6 or 7 comments out of your "I'm better than everyone else" ass in an effort to get the world to rotate around your inflated ego? Look up the definition for "troll" asshole and poop that in your ego blender.

[archer49d]

@micbaca I get the feeling your brain is made entirely of that "poop" you're talking about... Turbines causing "instant cremation", that would be one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time if it wasn't so stupid.

[micbaca]

The temperature for human creation is as high as 980 degrees celsius. Temperatures in plane crashes are estimated to be as high as 1200 degrees celsius. Combine this with the disintegrating effect of placing a human body in contact with a mechanical engine spinning at 15,000 rpm. Is that instant enough for you?

[archer49d]

@micbaca first off, the engine would have to be RUNNING to even have the possibility of that happening (they usually stop running during a crash), 2nd there is no way in which a human could pass through the compressor sections of the engine and into the burner cans for this to happen.

[micbaca]

2nd off, the engines are running while crashing dumbass. What is your planned flight procedure? "Were crashing, kill the engines"?????? The 1200 degree celsius is the temperature in the crash, not the burners. The number of reports of birds downing aircraft because they have been mulched by the engine indicates to me that yes, things can, and do fit into the front end of an engine.

[archer49d]

@micbaca By the time the fuselage is at a point where a human body can exit the airframe and from a crash such as this the engines are no longer running, that is for sure. Also, you seem to have no understanding of turbine engine construction. While it is possible for a bird to be minced by an engine and pass through the bypass portion of an engine I don't think one has ever passed through tbe compressors and burner cans. Also a bird weighs considerably less than a human.

[archer49d]

@micbaca So I reiterate... do you still enjoy just making things up?

[micbaca]

I'm not making it up. Even you have acknowledged that engines aren't performing normally during an impact. Oxygen + jet fuel +spark + mixing bowl of metal parts = people disintegrating. You sitting in front of a big ass engine on the rear end of a plane that is about to pin you between the ground and soon to be broken engine parts = you being ash.

[archer49d]

@micbaca The "equation" you put together there sounds good on paper, but it doesn't work in reality. You're delusions amuse me to say the least.

[micbaca]

First off, or, sorry umm....3rd off your entire argument is based on assumptions that people do not disintegrate in an airplane crash because they can't "fit" into an engine. I'm saying flight crash dynamics are complex and a person ending up in an impacting engine is not an impossibility. Pretty simple to most. I guess it just takes some common sense. Something you apparently lost the day you inflated your self image from Cesna stewardess to flight simulator trainee.

[archer49d]

@micbaca You're a clueless pile of trash and I suggest you keep your opinions and ideas to yourself as you are so out of touch with reality it's more infuriating than funny at this point (though I have to admit, you're lack of intelligence was funny for a great while).

[pelagic6]

The people on the 737 in Jamaica got lucky, this is horrible.

[narutofanz4]

wow they sayd Osama Bin Laden is a massive killer?Look at these planes!They kill like 300 people in 1 flight!! FUCK THAT!

[archer49d]

@narutofanz4 Yeah dude, just ignore the millions of flights that go by without incident.

[xjustlikeux]

i sooooooo dont want to be an air hostess =S

[adalbertomodesusa]

It's amazing how countries point their fingers to anothers when they have their own problems. Air traffic is a big problem for any developing country, even United States have a big problem with out of date equipment and lack of experienced professionals. Accidents happen, they just do. It does not take much to a plane to crash. Brazil is a serious country, with a president that cares and a wonderfull people. Stop talking about this already.

[GuiPedra1212]

@adalbertomodesusa TOTALLY AGREEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dexteros123]

al jazeera es un canal como la cnn ok no por el nombre es algo malo asi que no especulen sobre su nombre

[ideitbawx]

al-jazeera? hmm, they seem more fair & balanced than fox news. or at least in this clip

[whb1965]

@ideitbawx or even the commie news network..lol

[GKart64]

wow....

[brodog94]

it was raining the run way was wet things happen and in this case the runway was wet and the plane didnt have any friction to fully stop. its not that hard t find out when they say "it was raining". that and if this was july 18th... then how did you add this the 17th of july?

[marko071988]

I'm sure investigators are aware of that, and other planes landed during the hour before the crash without actually crashing... there's more to this crash than a simple overrunning of the runway due to bad weather condition (human error, brake malfunctioning?...). And he made a mistake, the crash occurred in 2007 and not in 2008.

[UAL4ever]

It`s not entirely the fault of the runway. Some blame also goes to the pilots. If the pilots brought the plane in at the appropriate speed and land at or near the touch down mark would have been fine.

[smeagol1414]

That's what happens when fucking reds control dumb people

[lucasdaudt22]

maybe

[smeagol1414]

@lucasdaudt22 lol my coment is like 1 year old, wtf

[yiotispan]

If birds caused the Hudson River incident, they could have affected a Boeing, too, spyromatt.

[humanrights4all]

the aircraft was coming to a halt on the runway and over-ran it. Also, it was at night. So, the bird theory doesnt really apply here.

[RDFpokemon]

IT SKITED OF THE RUNWAY U IDIOT

[spyromatt]

A320 in the news again just the start of the yr. last was that emergency landing in the Hudson river and now this. tragic! Knowing i recently flew in one just last Dec.

[technoairplaneman]

just a coincidence, you know...

[Matty231]

FUCK IT.

[djalma122]

happen yes, all turned piece of news here in the brasil!!!

[InnSewerAnts]

I can.... Because simply... there are dozens of tiny to medium quakes every day on the planet.

(You can find the trackers that monitor tremors live 24/7 using google. it updates every few minutes.)

As for false prophets, to believe in a prophet false or otherwise you need to be religious, not excluding more out there I'm not religious and definitely not regarding any man, even the pope, who pretends to know what god is supposedly saying. Belief in god is fine, don't trust the middlemen... ever.