Ancient "Greece" was pelasgian. Byzantinium was a half of a LATIN ROMAN empire. And todays greeks are a mixture of gypsies-turks and armenians who came from Asia Minor in lands of native Arvanites
I am saying that ancient hellenes had colonies in foreign lands, like Epirus. Read Strabo. Read Herodotus. They write about "Plakonia" who was the organization of Epirotes. Check translator about plak
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@REALmacedonianGR ....shshshshsh...be quite. You're comment is almost painful to read. It's not for nothing they say truth hurts. I agree with you. However, time has come that even "Greek Academia" has publicly accepted the truth. Pls, do me a favour, watch some other Greek documentaries about this on youtube. Bitch.
Marko Boçari was an orthodox Albanian. Ali Pasha was a muslim Albanian. There are no Greeks involved here. Greece begins only in Mesolongi. From there to the north is just orthodox Albanian (arvanite) and muslim Albanian (cham) land. The greeks know it. They are afraid to accept it. Otherwise the world would see the true lions who made the so called "greek" revolution were the albanian Boçari, Xhavella, Kollokotroni, Bubulina etc. I am Albanian orthodox too. And I say: glory to Albania.
@KRONOSELLAS I do not need to go in Dodona of Chameria to see what you suggest. Also I dont need to go to the village of BUTRINTI close to my birth-town of Lekuresi in what you call the "Northern Epirus" but which is the cradle of ALBANIAN brave men who have beaten greek-s asses in centuries each time you have attempted to take what belongs to us. Albania to Arta and Preveza. You will give back what you stole, one after another. Thieves. Long live to albanian-arvanites.
@sacrumillyricum do you know that the coins of king Tharipas and king Pirros and others Epirotan Kings were traced with Greek words, and Greek letters? What do you say?
@KRONOSELLAS Do you know that in 2000 years archaeologists will dig Athens and will discover there a MCDonalds fast food, will decide that english was the native language there?
@KRONOSELLAS Greek letters doesnt mean greek language. Homers writes that the sheeps of Zeus were bleating doing: "βή - βή". What, does it means that the ancient sheeps bleated vi-vi?
@KRONOSELLAS I don't know what "Vuthroto" is. If you mean the ancient epirotan city of βoutpint - I repeat you that according to the PELASGIAN writer Homer, β is not pronounced as "v".
@KRONOSELLAS And even if HELLENIC (attention, not greek) theatre was played in Butrint, so what. American movies are being played in Athens cinema's right now. It doesnt make Athens US.
@KRONOSELLAS Also, latin letters doesnt mean "latin language". We are writing in latin alphabet now. But it is english. The same with the so-called greek language of Epirus.
@KRONOSELLAS I say, In the European coins now, it is written the greek word "evro". What. Are the irish guys using it, greeks? Hellenes had colonies, ok. Even in Marseilles. But just that
@sacrumillyricum so, you say that ancient Albanians were watching only Greek tragedies and comedies in Greek, their inscriptions were only in Greek language , their coins were only with Greek letters and words
@KRONOSELLAS No, I am saying that today greeks have nothing to do with ancient hellenes. So, I do not understand your zeal on showing how developed were the ancestors of another nation.
@sacrumillyricum ANCIENT GREECE-BYZANTIUM- NEW GREECE STATE : the same language, the same writing, the same texts for study in school, THE SAME HISTORY
@KRONOSELLAS Albanians were writing in the HELLENIC alphabet which had nothing to do with todays greeks, who are a nation of thieves who came from Asia Minor.
@sacrumillyricum Greek Arvanites were the 20%-30% of the population of the small Greek Kingdom of 1830 (Peloponesos and Roumeli). Did you hear any revolution of Arvanites against Greek Kingdom? what do you think?
@sacrumillyricum Kolokotronis was not an Arvanites. Botsaris m Tzavelas, Bubuluna were Arvanites. Arvanites believe the their forefathers were ancient Greeks. Come to the archaeological museum of Athens in order to see the ascient Greek inscriptions of Dodoni (south Epiros). Then go to Vuthroto on north Epiros. Then think.....
What Greek heroes? Orthodox Albanians were fighting against muslim Albanians. That's the story. The byzantine orthodox church was (and still is) working against the interests of the Albanians, convincing the orthodox that they are something different (a.k.a. Greeks). And given they respect the priest of their church they go to kill their muslim brothers. The muslim Turkey was (and still is) working against Albanians. They are telling them that they are different (turks) and hence the bloodbath.
Hahaha it's nice to read all thes fascist ultranationalist Albanian comments!!!! I didn't know that there were so many stupid fascists in the world and Albania...Like it or not Souliots and Arvanites are part of Greek history simply cause they wanted to be apart of us....Arvanites have Greek national consiousness..EDES leader Napoleon Zervas was a Souliot (the guy who ordered the deportation of the Chams) the bigest percent of this partizan group was Arvanites true Greeks despite their origin..
@Jeffanos ...Hey buddy-boy!!...you couldn't have said it better in your own words. The Albanian speaking population, without using exclusive terminology such as; Arvanites, Alvanos, Turko-Alvanos etc, became subject of "devide and conquor" policies. There's no war which is worse than the one within the kind. At least, time has come for Greece to publicly admit the true origins of the Arvanites and their role in Greece's history.
@pelasgian3 Arvanites are a big part of our history this doesn't mean that is also a part of Albanian...They separate themshelfes when they gave oaths in Filiki Etereia (the secret Greek organisation that planed the rebelion) that they will serve their country Greece and their religion Greek Orthodox Christianity...
@Jeffanos you mean "serve" personal interests and in part national albanin interests! Arvanites were in effect mercenaries who couldnt speak a word of greek but used the opportunity to defeat the turks when time was ripe!
@Jeffanos When they say they will serve Greece they meant Orthodoxy. There is e huuuge difference between what it means today Greece with it meant 200 years ago.
@sacrumillyricum The name Greece is clear in their oath...Anyway u Albanians are too stupid to understand History i'm an Arvanite myshelf and i know where i came from and where i belong to..I;m Modern Greek to the bone and even if this is a product of propaganda (which is not but i repsect other people's opinion) let it be...My vision of restoring Byzantine Empire (Megali Idea) remains and Albania will be a province of this newly Byzantine Republic and the capital will be Costantinople..
Kta Shqiptar qe luftuan per vende te tjera dhe jo per Shqiperine e bene ate jo sepse i donin me te miren vendeve te tjera sesa Shqiperise por sepse ne Shqiperi populli ishte i percare dhe nuk arriti kurre te bashkohej dhe te luftonte kunder turqve !
Nje her qe u bashkua Shqiptari (Ne Kohe te Legjendarit Skenderbe ) ja theu hundet turkut !
@Axeldevil edhe kutjon ti se ishin me te vertet trojet e Shqiptarve ??? JOOOOOO ! e ke shum gabim !
Kufijt tan u zgjeruan shum sepse ishim aleat me turkun ! kurre ato troje skane qene tonat !
dhe po ta shikosh me vemendje ne cdo hart te vjeter , flas te lashtesis Epiri ( Cameria) eshte toke grekedhe jo Ilire ! Ndoshta ne kohe te Skenderbeut dhe me tej ka qene toke Shqiptare por ne lashtesi jo , e di mire !
Lexo mire dhe mos ja fut kot... Mos me bej qe te citoj Historianet e Lashte grek per popullsine jo greke te Epirit.... Tosket jane pasardhesit e Epiroteve..
@Axeldevil djali shum njerez e ndryshojn historin ne favor te tyre !
ka disa qe thon ishin Shqiptar ka disa te tjer qe thon ishin Grek !
emri EPIRUS eshte grek ! ky eshte FAKT !
ne lashtesi ata nuk ishin as Ilir dhe as Grek prandaj te thashe ndoshta ka qene zona e takimit te 2 kulturave !
Pastaj nje teori tjeter eshte qe me ardhjen e Sllaveve popullsia Shqiptare spostohej gjimon e me shum ne jug 1 pra ne ate kohe ndoshta kemi zene vend ne trojet e grekve !
@Axeldevil hahahahhaha !!! kur ju shoh te beni kshtu me duket vetja sikur po flas me serbet !
ore un ta thashe qe ndoshta nga shekulli i 7 pas Krishtit ato troje kan qene te banuara nga Shqiptaret , me kohe te Perandorise Osmane ishte i favorizuar edhe nje tip "kolonizimi" le te themi i atyre trojeve nga ana e Shqiptarve ! Por ne lashtesi Epiriotet nuk kan qene as Grek dhe as Ilir ! pse ateher Roma e lashte dhe Greket e lashte nuk i quanin Ilir ?? e di qe Greket i quanin barbar !
1)E din ti qe prsh emri CAM vjen nga lumi i lashte Thesprote "Thiamis" dhe kete e pohojne edhe greket?
2)E din ti per nje far fisi ne greqine e lashte me emrin Liapithes ,, ashtu sic i quajne labet sot greket?
3)Perse pretendon atehere Skenderbeu ne letren e derguar tek prinici i Tarantos ne Itali qe shqipetaret jane pasardhesit e Epiroteve te lashte dhe Pirros se Epirit ?
4)Perse Pretendon Gjon Muzaka qe eshte nga dega familjare e Pirros dhe se mbiemri i veretet ishte Molosachi?
@Axeldevil nuk eshte se nuk dua te besoj por ka shum shum pak fakte ! problemi eshte qe nuk na beson as bota ! nje gje dua te them , e kaluara tregon edhe per popullin !
pse ky popull po vuan kaq shum dhe nuk pati kurre nje histori aq te madhe ???????
nje nder popujt me te vjeter ne europe qe nuk lulezoi kurre !
sic ta thashe me perpara kur nuk je i Zoti te shkrush per popullin tend mos prit gjera te mira nga te tjeret !
nuk e di ti sa shum i apasionuar jam un per historine e kombit tone dhe sa shum patriot qe jam , ty te falenderoj shum per videot sepse ke bere pun te shkelqyer .
Pellazget kan lene shkrime qe vetem ne Shqip perkthehen !
Populli me i vjeter ne Europe ! por me cudit fakti pse nuk luelzoi me Shqiptari kur paraarshist e tij paskan qene BABALLARET E CIVILIZIMIT EUROPIAN ????????
Sa per gjuhen e Pellazgeve nuk ka asnje shkrim nga ata...
Prandaj te themi qe gjuha jone eshte gjuha e pellazgeve eshte spekullim...
Sa per Civilizim ... Shiko pak sa Lidera kemi nxjerr vetem ketu ne Ballkan me te medhenjte!!!
Qe nga Perandoret me origjine ilire, Konstandini i Madh(themeluesi Bizantit) Justiniani(Kisha Shen Sofia Stanboll),Skenderbeu,Ali Pashe Tepelena,Muhamed Ali Pasha,Familja Gjika(Princerit e Rumanise) Ataturk .... dhe te tjere qe do vine.....
1)Etrusket mund te jene dege te Pellasgeve ... po deget ndryshojne nga trungu ... se atehere edhe greqishtja e lashte si dege e pellazgishtes duhet te ishte si shqip... apo jo ?
2)Ndergjegjja Kombetare, shtet-komb eshte ide dhe ndjenje e shekullit 19te
Ne ate kohe njerezit si shtet kishin Perandorine Osmane.dhe ata integroheshin dhe benin karriere ne ate
sistem.Qe ta kuptosh mendo USA dhe latinet ne USA.
3)Nuk thashe qe jane Heronj por thashe qe jane figura boterore te rraces tone
Ali Pashai hodhi themelet e Shtetit Grek (E thote dhe ne dokumentar1821) kish dhene shum fonde per te ha pur shkolla e kisha greke... Janina ne kohen e tij kishte arritur nivelin e qyteteve perendimore.... Ate qe donte ta bente Aliu nuk ja doli dot qellimit... se e braktisen si greket ashtu edhe shqiptaret... Ai i kish propozuar edhe Bushatllinjve te Shkodres per kryengritje por nuk e mbeshteten dhe i vetem u ngrit me ndihmen e suljoteve dhe te tjereve por humbi nga tradhetia..
Po te ishte ashtu edhe suljotet kurr nuk duhet te mbeshtesnin Aliun ...po ja qe e bene ... do ti quajme tradhetar tani dhe keta?qe te kuptosh duhet te vesh veten ne poziten e nje njeriu ne kohen e atehershme..
Disa zona Katolike te veriut te shqiperise ne vende te futura gezonin liri per shkak se benin ligjin vet....
por edhe Turku nuk u fut deri ne ato zona te thella se nuk mundej prandaj i dhane nje far autonomie...
Dihet prsh per mercenaret Mirditor qe leftonin mercenar per Ali Pashen.... Nje nga keta Mirditoret vrau edhe Marko Bocarin kur u fut ne cadren e tij....
@Axeldevil eshte e vertet , por i gjithe ballkani eshte mal , turku kisht mudesi te shkelte !
Mirditorve eshte per t'ju ul kapelen ! Bravo ju qofte qe i luftuan turqit ! ta thashe ka pasur edhe Katolik qe kan luftuar per myslimant kjo dihet !
Un vet jam me origjin prej Dukagjini ! kurre nuk do te kisha bashkpunu me ate qe me shkatrroi popullin tim ! ndoshta sepse ne andej jemi pak budallej , ndoshta sepse nderi nuk na e lejon por un po te kisha qene ne ate kohe do ti urreja turqit
@Axeldevil U TREGUA SHQIPTAR I VERTET ! Edhe pse ndoshta do te ja kishte bere mire qe nehej aleat me Turqit kunder Sllaveve ! por a qe e kishte zemren plot urrejtje ndaj asaj rrace dhe i luftoi sa ishte i gjalle !
@Axeldevil shembullin e patem , e pam se bashk mund ti shkatrronim turqit por ja qe shum SHQIPTAR JAN TRADHTAR ! PER 2 LEK E SHESIN VENDIN E TYRE , PER KTE SOT JEMI NE KTE GJENDJE !
@Axeldevil por ndonje her historia eshte shum e nderlikuar kur nuk je i zoti te shkruash per popullin tend ( flas per ne Shqiptaret ). Disa Grek quanin barbar edhe Maqedonsit e vjeter dhe disa te tjer i quanin Grek !
ne te vertet ata ishin Tribu Greke por pak me ndryshe se greket !
prandaj po te them qe ceshtja e Epirit ose Camerise eshte shum e nderlikuar !
ndersa per sa i perket trojeve ne veri ate e dim mire te gjithe qe jan tonat sepse ne ate zone jetonin Iliret !
@Axeldevil nuk eshte se un kapem vetem mbas emrit . fakit eshte qe ne ate kohe asnje popull nuk i quajti Epiriotet Ilir apo Grek ! prandaj te thashe ndoshta kan qene nja mix i popullit Ilir dhe Helen !
Ajo qe dua te them eshte se kur nuk je i Zoti te shkruash per veten dhe per popullin tend mos prit qe te tjeret te shkruajn te verteta mbi ty ! sot Kosovo/a eshte nje toke qe dikur kishte emrin e saj Shqiptar , Dardania ! Shqiptari kurre nuk u bashkua , gjithmon ndenji si kafshe mali !
Ashtu siç Leka i Madh nuk e tha kurrë që ishte një Grek,Ashtu siç edhe Pirroja i Ipërisë nuk e tha kurrë që ishte një Grek,Ashtu siç edhe të gjithë ne nuk e thamë kurrë që ishim Grekë,Gjithashtu,ju doni të bëni edhe Marko Boçarin një
As well as the Alexander the Great did not ever said it was a Grek,as well as Pyrrhus of Epirus not ever said it was a Greek,as we all do not ever said that we are Greeks,Also,you want to do even Marko Boçari a
Markos Botsaris was born into one of the leading clans of the Souliotes, in Epirus what are u tallking about giordanwhite? he was pure SOULIOTIS Marco Botsaris go down in history for his bravery and his important contribution to the struggle for the independence of the Greeks and is rightly regarded a national hero.We have a great istora that all peoples of envy but do not do Botsaris's bones cracking
Moqari and the Suliots fight with Ali Pasha, withe the Greeks and later thej fight for the France...and after the Greek Revolution ...thej Greece Govermend kill all Indipendet Fighter...bec this Group would be have self state..(many states) one group=one smale state...thej never fight for a "greece" state.
Poqueville and the other western bastards came only to stop the mighty Pelasgian territory that was being formed from Nis all the way down to Alexandria. We(Greeks(not the eastern turks) and Albanians(here there are Turks as well unfortunately) would have controlled all the routes of TRADE, we would have been the masters of the Mediterranean sea as ancient times. Turkey also didn't want this crap and infiltrated people like Kitsikis & Co with the bullshit Greco-Turk theory.
Albanians and Greeks are fighting for no reason. Actually the fault is of the eastern element that Aristotle warned about. Another thing is the slavic element. Greeks don't understand that if Albania falls they will be taken over within 24 hours by the SlavoMongols. In any case, the Patriarch of the Orthodox Church of Greece is Albanian now, so slowly things will change. Once these two countries improve relations they will look for markets to expand, something that Europe and Russia areTERRIFIED
@realpanatha13 this not true...he never said that greec is..but he was so hard because he thinkit like albanian.....greks are to slims..but they miss braveheart..i m sorry...
@PavlosDionysus he didnt die for greece, he was pure albanian and he was living in the native albanian part wich in his time was in ''greek borders'' and of course this innocent albanian(arvanitas) guy thought that in order to protect his albanian house h ehas to protect greece cuz that part of ancient albania belonged to greece in markos time, and in marco bocari's story u can see how the ALBANIAN KILT was adopted by greeks!
The Souliotes were the inhabitants of Souli, a historic mountain settlement 73 km southeast of Igoumenitsa in Epirus in northwestern Greece. They established an autonomous association of villages resisting Ottoman rule. After their defeat in 1803, the Souliotes were forced to move to other parts of Greece, and many of them later became active in the Greek War of Independence starting in 1821, under leaders such as Markos Botsaris and Kitsos Tzavelas.
Markos Botsaris , c.1788-1823, Greek patriot. Exiled from his native Epirus in 1803, he joined Ali Pasha in 1820 and later was prominent in the Greek …
@dwarfc7 what langauge did he speak? it would be like Spain claiming Pancho Villa lol....he was a throughbred albanian just listen to what the greek old man has to say!
rofl.Are you retard? Greek,Roman and Albanian language had their own eras that used to be spoken by the most nations in balkans.Something like English of nowadays
Markos Botsaris (Μάρκος Μπότσαρης, c. 1788 - August 21, 1823) was a Greek klepht leader of Arvanite origin who played an important role in the War of Greek Independence.
@kokotselos Mate since the dawn of civilization the Hellenic (Greek in case you don't have a clue) language was the common language for all nations, especially in the Balkan peninsula. Even when Ottoman Empire rule that region about 90% of the nations used to speak Hellenic!!!
It is written and can be proved anytime...go to school and learn few things before you say anything!!!
re kolo fara egiptiane elina REALmacedonian gamoti mana sou re ke to soi sou kolo fara bine Den vlepis re karagiozi oti to kratiko sas kanali lei gia ton marko bocari Alvanos orthodoksos den vlepis oti iksere alvanika re fasistofara esis thelete tin sfera sto kefali binedhes gamoti fara sas pou sas genise milate ke olas eno sas ta lene sta moutra ta xratika sas kanalia gamotin fara sou bine.
Moron what is the Greek language, the only language that use to be in Greece before the gypsies arrived from Anatolia was the Language of the Gods, Arvanitika or Arbanitka.
RealmacedonianGreek? Moron beside the Bulgarian slavic language in Macedonia, the only real language spoken in Macedonia and traditions still since ancient times are the Albanians. Please please move out of here, and don't make an ass of yourself.
Marko Botsaris was killed in the battle of Karpenisi, from «Lleshi i Zi» (black-haired Alexander) a legendary Catholic Mirdite hero. The Greek popular songs lament the death of M. Botsaris
The brave Epirots, the Albanians of antiquity, clung with hereditary loyalty and fresh enthusiasm to the high-spirited youth -- the "eagle," as they called him. In the confusion that arose regarding the succession to the Macedonian throne after the death of Cassander (457), the Epirot extended his dominions: step by step he gained the regions on the Ambracian gulf with the important town of Ambracia, the island of Corcyra...
... and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of US(hear we can see that he was Albanian,the ''us'' refers to ''Albanese'' ) with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of ΜΥ(means Albanian) race.
O ειδιος ο Καστριοτι ελεγε οτι ηταν Αλβανος, ειποστιριζωντας την φυλη του... τα λογια των τρειτων ειναι περιτα λιπον.
The first known occurrence of the word Albani as the name of an Illyrian tribe in what is now north-central Albania goes back to 130 AD, in a work of Ptolemy, Albanopolis of the Albani is a place located on the map of Ptolemy
In the 2nd century BC, the History of the World written by Polybius, mentions a city named Arbon in present day central Albania. The people who lived there were called Arbanios or Arbanitai.
The Albanians are apparently the most ancient race in southeastern Europe. History and legend afford no record of their arrival in the Balkan Peninsula. They are probably the descendants of the earliest Aryan immigrants, who were represented in historical times by the kindred Illyrians, Macedonians and Epirots;
.......Macedonians and Epirots; the Macedonians and Epirots are believed by Hahn to have formed the core of the pre-Hellenic Tyrrheno-Pelasgian population which inhabited the southern portion of the peninsula and extended its limits to Thrace and Italy. The Illyrians were also "Pelasgian," but in a wider sense
Of these cognate races, which are described by the Greek writers as barbarous or non-Hellenic, the Illyrians and Epirots, he thinks, were respectively the progenitors of the Ghegs, or northern, and the Tosks, or southern, Albanians.
"My Forefathers were Epirotes , from which Pyrrhus rose who won the Romans"
Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. My elders were from Epirus, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro (Pyrrhus the Great), who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies.
I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, aspecies of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?
.........Having thus outstripped their pursuers and reached a place of safety, the fugitives betook themselves to Glaucias the king of the Illyrians; and finding him sitting at home with his wife, they put the little child down on the floor before them. Then the king began to reflect. He was in fear of Cassander, who was an enemy of Aeacides, and held his peace a long time as he took counsel with himself
These were called after him Pyrrhidae; for he had the surname of Pyrrhus in his boyhood, and of his legitimate children by Lanassa, the daughter of Cleodaeus the son of HYLLUS, one was named by him Pyrrhus. Consequently Achilles also obtained divine honours in Epeirus, under the native name of Aspetus.
Albania comprises part of Macedonia lllyria Chaonia and Epirus Iskander is the Turkish word for Alexander and the celebrated Scanderbeg Lord Alexander is alluded to in the third and fourth lines of the thirty eighth stanza I do not know whether I am correct in making Scandcrbeg the countryman of Alexander who was horn at Pella in Macedón but Mr Gibbon terms him so and adds Pyrrhus to the list in speaking of his exploits Of Albania
ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΥΣ δε χιλίους Χάονας, οι οποίοι, αβασίλευτοι όντες, είχαν αρχηγούς τον Φώτυον και τον Νικάνορα, οι οποίοι κατήγοντο από το αρχοντικόν γένος που ήσκει ενιαυσίως την αρχήν. Μαζί με τους Χάονας εξεστράτευσαν και οι θεσπρωτοί, οι οποίοι ήσαν επίσης αβασίλευτοι.
Δύναμις Μολοσσών και Ατιντάνων, εξ άλλου, ήτο υπό την αρχηγίαν του Σαβυλίνθου, επιτρόπου του βασιλέως Θαρύπου, ο οποίος ήτο ακόμη ανήλικος, και δύναμις Παραυαίων υπό την αρχηγίαν του βασιλέως Οροίδου.
Μαζί με τους Παραυαίους εξεστράτευσαν και χίλιοι Ορέσται, των οποίων βασιλεύς ήτο ο Αντίοχος, ο οποίος είχεν εμπιστευθή την αρχηγίαν των εις τον Όροιδον
The Greeks call those people Illyrians who occupy the region beyond Macedonia and Thrace from Chaonia and Thesprotia to the river Danube. This is the length of the country. Its breadth is from Macedonia and the mountains of Thrace to Pannonia and the Adriatic and the foothills of the Alps. Its breadth is five days' journey and its length thirty - so the Greek writers say. The Romans measured the country and found its length to be upward of 1,000 kilometers and its width about 220
Greece is held by the barbarians--Macedonia and certain parts of Thessaly by the thracians,and the parts above Acarnania and Aetolia by the Thesproti, the Cassopaei,the Amphilochi, the Molossi, and the Athamanes--Epeirotic tribes.
Ancient "Greece" was pelasgian. Byzantinium was a half of a LATIN ROMAN empire. And todays greeks are a mixture of gypsies-turks and armenians who came from Asia Minor in lands of native Arvanites
sacrumillyricum 1 week ago
I am saying that ancient hellenes had colonies in foreign lands, like Epirus. Read Strabo. Read Herodotus. They write about "Plakonia" who was the organization of Epirotes. Check translator about plak
sacrumillyricum 1 week ago
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illyrianss001 3 months ago
@IbniVehbi hahaha funny
hekoka 6 months ago
schämmt euch ihr scheiss griechen hunde söhne,,,,,die albaner haben euch befreit
SuperAlbanesi 8 months ago
@REALmacedonianGR ....shshshshsh...be quite. You're comment is almost painful to read. It's not for nothing they say truth hurts. I agree with you. However, time has come that even "Greek Academia" has publicly accepted the truth. Pls, do me a favour, watch some other Greek documentaries about this on youtube. Bitch.
pelasgian3 10 months ago
Marko Boçari was an orthodox Albanian. Ali Pasha was a muslim Albanian. There are no Greeks involved here. Greece begins only in Mesolongi. From there to the north is just orthodox Albanian (arvanite) and muslim Albanian (cham) land. The greeks know it. They are afraid to accept it. Otherwise the world would see the true lions who made the so called "greek" revolution were the albanian Boçari, Xhavella, Kollokotroni, Bubulina etc. I am Albanian orthodox too. And I say: glory to Albania.
sacrumillyricum 10 months ago
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KRONOSELLAS 1 week ago
@KRONOSELLAS I do not need to go in Dodona of Chameria to see what you suggest. Also I dont need to go to the village of BUTRINTI close to my birth-town of Lekuresi in what you call the "Northern Epirus" but which is the cradle of ALBANIAN brave men who have beaten greek-s asses in centuries each time you have attempted to take what belongs to us. Albania to Arta and Preveza. You will give back what you stole, one after another. Thieves. Long live to albanian-arvanites.
sacrumillyricum 1 week ago
@sacrumillyricum do you know that the coins of king Tharipas and king Pirros and others Epirotan Kings were traced with Greek words, and Greek letters? What do you say?
KRONOSELLAS 1 week ago
@KRONOSELLAS Do you know that in 2000 years archaeologists will dig Athens and will discover there a MCDonalds fast food, will decide that english was the native language there?
sacrumillyricum 1 week ago
@KRONOSELLAS Greek letters doesnt mean greek language. Homers writes that the sheeps of Zeus were bleating doing: "βή - βή". What, does it means that the ancient sheeps bleated vi-vi?
sacrumillyricum 1 week ago
@sacrumillyricum In Vouthroto there is a ancient theatre eee? Do you know an ancient tragedy or comedy or an ancient Albanian writer?
KRONOSELLAS 1 week ago
@KRONOSELLAS I don't know what "Vuthroto" is. If you mean the ancient epirotan city of βoutpint - I repeat you that according to the PELASGIAN writer Homer, β is not pronounced as "v".
sacrumillyricum 1 week ago
@KRONOSELLAS And even if HELLENIC (attention, not greek) theatre was played in Butrint, so what. American movies are being played in Athens cinema's right now. It doesnt make Athens US.
sacrumillyricum 1 week ago
@KRONOSELLAS Also, latin letters doesnt mean "latin language". We are writing in latin alphabet now. But it is english. The same with the so-called greek language of Epirus.
sacrumillyricum 1 week ago
@sacrumillyricum there are not only Greek letters on tha coins of King Pyrros, but there are also Greek words. what do you say?
KRONOSELLAS 1 week ago
@KRONOSELLAS I say, In the European coins now, it is written the greek word "evro". What. Are the irish guys using it, greeks? Hellenes had colonies, ok. Even in Marseilles. But just that
sacrumillyricum 1 week ago
@sacrumillyricum so, you say that ancient Albanians were watching only Greek tragedies and comedies in Greek, their inscriptions were only in Greek language , their coins were only with Greek letters and words
KRONOSELLAS 1 week ago
@KRONOSELLAS No, I am saying that today greeks have nothing to do with ancient hellenes. So, I do not understand your zeal on showing how developed were the ancestors of another nation.
sacrumillyricum 1 week ago
@sacrumillyricum ANCIENT GREECE-BYZANTIUM- NEW GREECE STATE : the same language, the same writing, the same texts for study in school, THE SAME HISTORY
KRONOSELLAS 1 week ago
@sacrumillyricum All the world know that the word EUROPE is Greek
KRONOSELLAS 1 week ago
@sacrumillyricum where is the monuments of ancient Albanians? where is the ancient Albanian inscriptions?
KRONOSELLAS 1 week ago
@KRONOSELLAS Albanians were writing in the HELLENIC alphabet which had nothing to do with todays greeks, who are a nation of thieves who came from Asia Minor.
sacrumillyricum 1 week ago
@sacrumillyricum IF YOU ARE AN ORTHODOX ALBANIAN THEN THINK ABOUT ALL THAT. JUST THINK...
KRONOSELLAS 1 week ago
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@sacrumillyricum Greek Arvanites were the 20%-30% of the population of the small Greek Kingdom of 1830 (Peloponesos and Roumeli). Did you hear any revolution of Arvanites against Greek Kingdom? what do you think?
KRONOSELLAS 1 week ago
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@sacrumillyricum Kolokotronis was not an Arvanites. Botsaris m Tzavelas, Bubuluna were Arvanites. Arvanites believe the their forefathers were ancient Greeks. Come to the archaeological museum of Athens in order to see the ascient Greek inscriptions of Dodoni (south Epiros). Then go to Vuthroto on north Epiros. Then think.....
KRONOSELLAS 1 week ago
What Greek heroes? Orthodox Albanians were fighting against muslim Albanians. That's the story. The byzantine orthodox church was (and still is) working against the interests of the Albanians, convincing the orthodox that they are something different (a.k.a. Greeks). And given they respect the priest of their church they go to kill their muslim brothers. The muslim Turkey was (and still is) working against Albanians. They are telling them that they are different (turks) and hence the bloodbath.
sacrumillyricum 10 months ago
What? Marko Boçari spoke Greek for the first time in his life only when he was 20 years old? And the Greeks want him as their hero? Muahahahahah.
Greeks, say EFXARISTO to the Albanians.
sacrumillyricum 10 months ago
Thank you god for making me Albanian!
TheValmirZz 11 months ago 2
Hahaha it's nice to read all thes fascist ultranationalist Albanian comments!!!! I didn't know that there were so many stupid fascists in the world and Albania...Like it or not Souliots and Arvanites are part of Greek history simply cause they wanted to be apart of us....Arvanites have Greek national consiousness..EDES leader Napoleon Zervas was a Souliot (the guy who ordered the deportation of the Chams) the bigest percent of this partizan group was Arvanites true Greeks despite their origin..
Jeffanos 11 months ago
@Jeffanos ...Hey buddy-boy!!...you couldn't have said it better in your own words. The Albanian speaking population, without using exclusive terminology such as; Arvanites, Alvanos, Turko-Alvanos etc, became subject of "devide and conquor" policies. There's no war which is worse than the one within the kind. At least, time has come for Greece to publicly admit the true origins of the Arvanites and their role in Greece's history.
pelasgian3 10 months ago
@pelasgian3 Arvanites are a big part of our history this doesn't mean that is also a part of Albanian...They separate themshelfes when they gave oaths in Filiki Etereia (the secret Greek organisation that planed the rebelion) that they will serve their country Greece and their religion Greek Orthodox Christianity...
Jeffanos 9 months ago
@Jeffanos you mean "serve" personal interests and in part national albanin interests! Arvanites were in effect mercenaries who couldnt speak a word of greek but used the opportunity to defeat the turks when time was ripe!
hekoka 6 months ago
@Jeffanos When they say they will serve Greece they meant Orthodoxy. There is e huuuge difference between what it means today Greece with it meant 200 years ago.
sacrumillyricum 1 week ago
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KRONOSELLAS 1 week ago
@sacrumillyricum The name Greece is clear in their oath...Anyway u Albanians are too stupid to understand History i'm an Arvanite myshelf and i know where i came from and where i belong to..I;m Modern Greek to the bone and even if this is a product of propaganda (which is not but i repsect other people's opinion) let it be...My vision of restoring Byzantine Empire (Megali Idea) remains and Albania will be a province of this newly Byzantine Republic and the capital will be Costantinople..
Jeffanos 6 days ago
Albanians and those ancient greeks have the same root, pellasgians. But most of todays greeks are just turks!
ImperatoreAlbanicas 11 months ago
Kta Shqiptar qe luftuan per vende te tjera dhe jo per Shqiperine e bene ate jo sepse i donin me te miren vendeve te tjera sesa Shqiperise por sepse ne Shqiperi populli ishte i percare dhe nuk arriti kurre te bashkohej dhe te luftonte kunder turqve !
Nje her qe u bashkua Shqiptari (Ne Kohe te Legjendarit Skenderbe ) ja theu hundet turkut !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@IllyriPower
Kur kane luftuar suljotet ... Vendi i Tyre bashke me Camerine dhe pjese te Thessalise quheshin
LOWER ALBANIA --- pra Shqiperia e Poshtme.. mos harro se kufijt u ndane me 1912ten..
Axeldevil 11 months ago
@Axeldevil edhe kutjon ti se ishin me te vertet trojet e Shqiptarve ??? JOOOOOO ! e ke shum gabim !
Kufijt tan u zgjeruan shum sepse ishim aleat me turkun ! kurre ato troje skane qene tonat !
dhe po ta shikosh me vemendje ne cdo hart te vjeter , flas te lashtesis Epiri ( Cameria) eshte toke grekedhe jo Ilire ! Ndoshta ne kohe te Skenderbeut dhe me tej ka qene toke Shqiptare por ne lashtesi jo , e di mire !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@IllyriPower
Lexo mire dhe mos ja fut kot... Mos me bej qe te citoj Historianet e Lashte grek per popullsine jo greke te Epirit.... Tosket jane pasardhesit e Epiroteve..
Axeldevil 11 months ago
@Axeldevil jo djali nuk po ja fus kot un , po them ate qe e thote historia boterore , mos u beni si serbet tani !
sepse ndodh e njeta gje si me ata !
EPIRUS ! eshte emer grek ! ne hartat e lashtesise nuk ka qene toke ilire por toke greke !
ndoshta epiriotet nuk ishin grek por nuk ishin as Ilir ! ndoshta ka qene ven kyq per bashkimin e 2 kulturave , .
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@IllyriPower
A e din ti se si quhet libri i Barletit per Skenderbeun ? ta them une
HISTORIA E GESTIS EPIROTARUM PRINCIPIS
per me shume informacjone mbi kombesine shqiptare=epirote shiko ne forumin "arberiaonline"
Axeldevil 11 months ago
@Axeldevil djali shum njerez e ndryshojn historin ne favor te tyre !
ka disa qe thon ishin Shqiptar ka disa te tjer qe thon ishin Grek !
emri EPIRUS eshte grek ! ky eshte FAKT !
ne lashtesi ata nuk ishin as Ilir dhe as Grek prandaj te thashe ndoshta ka qene zona e takimit te 2 kulturave !
Pastaj nje teori tjeter eshte qe me ardhjen e Sllaveve popullsia Shqiptare spostohej gjimon e me shum ne jug 1 pra ne ate kohe ndoshta kemi zene vend ne trojet e grekve !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@IllyriPower
Epiri nga Thukidhidhi dhe Plutarku quhen si fise Barbare pra jo-greke...
Ne mesjete Epir=Arberi dhe Epirot=Shqiptar
per me shume hidhi sy Dictionarium Latino-Epiroticum i 1610es qe eshte fjalor Latinisht-Shqip
Axeldevil 11 months ago
@Axeldevil hahahahhaha !!! kur ju shoh te beni kshtu me duket vetja sikur po flas me serbet !
ore un ta thashe qe ndoshta nga shekulli i 7 pas Krishtit ato troje kan qene te banuara nga Shqiptaret , me kohe te Perandorise Osmane ishte i favorizuar edhe nje tip "kolonizimi" le te themi i atyre trojeve nga ana e Shqiptarve ! Por ne lashtesi Epiriotet nuk kan qene as Grek dhe as Ilir ! pse ateher Roma e lashte dhe Greket e lashte nuk i quanin Ilir ?? e di qe Greket i quanin barbar !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@IllyriPower
1)E din ti qe prsh emri CAM vjen nga lumi i lashte Thesprote "Thiamis" dhe kete e pohojne edhe greket?
2)E din ti per nje far fisi ne greqine e lashte me emrin Liapithes ,, ashtu sic i quajne labet sot greket?
3)Perse pretendon atehere Skenderbeu ne letren e derguar tek prinici i Tarantos ne Itali qe shqipetaret jane pasardhesit e Epiroteve te lashte dhe Pirros se Epirit ?
4)Perse Pretendon Gjon Muzaka qe eshte nga dega familjare e Pirros dhe se mbiemri i veretet ishte Molosachi?
Axeldevil 11 months ago
@Axeldevil ja pra e the vet - PRETENDIME ! Fakte ska sepse nuk mund te lej fakte bariu i maleve ( Shqiptari).
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@IllyriPower
Po ti po behesh si greket qe nuk duan te besojne!!!
Gjin Bue Shpata kishte ne emblemen heraldike te tij dhe simbolin e familjes mbreterore te Pirros se Epirit....
gje te cilen e kishin trasheguar brez pas brezi ... dhe po ti pyesesh greket nuk e dine kush ishte simboli....
Gjin Bue Shpata e kishte Principaten me kryeqender Angjelokastren ne Arta te Greqise se sotme
Axeldevil 11 months ago
@Axeldevil nuk eshte se nuk dua te besoj por ka shum shum pak fakte ! problemi eshte qe nuk na beson as bota ! nje gje dua te them , e kaluara tregon edhe per popullin !
pse ky popull po vuan kaq shum dhe nuk pati kurre nje histori aq te madhe ???????
nje nder popujt me te vjeter ne europe qe nuk lulezoi kurre !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
sic ta thashe me perpara kur nuk je i Zoti te shkrush per popullin tend mos prit gjera te mira nga te tjeret !
nuk e di ti sa shum i apasionuar jam un per historine e kombit tone dhe sa shum patriot qe jam , ty te falenderoj shum per videot sepse ke bere pun te shkelqyer .
Pellazget kan lene shkrime qe vetem ne Shqip perkthehen !
Populli me i vjeter ne Europe ! por me cudit fakti pse nuk luelzoi me Shqiptari kur paraarshist e tij paskan qene BABALLARET E CIVILIZIMIT EUROPIAN ????????
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@IllyriPower
Sa per gjuhen e Pellazgeve nuk ka asnje shkrim nga ata...
Prandaj te themi qe gjuha jone eshte gjuha e pellazgeve eshte spekullim...
Sa per Civilizim ... Shiko pak sa Lidera kemi nxjerr vetem ketu ne Ballkan me te medhenjte!!!
Qe nga Perandoret me origjine ilire, Konstandini i Madh(themeluesi Bizantit) Justiniani(Kisha Shen Sofia Stanboll),Skenderbeu,Ali Pashe Tepelena,Muhamed Ali Pasha,Familja Gjika(Princerit e Rumanise) Ataturk .... dhe te tjere qe do vine.....
Axeldevil 11 months ago
@Axeldevil shkrimet Pellazgo - Etruske ! eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee atje ku dua te dal un !
po pse per te tjeret dhe jo per vendin e tyre ??? ndoshta sepse nuk ishin Shqiptar ?????????
KTO JAN PYETJET QE ME MUNDOJN !
Sa te tjer ??? qe nga koha Skenderbeut nuk pati me NGA ATO TE MEDHEJT !
mos mi permend klyshet e turqise ! nuk i rradhis ne HEROJT e kombit ton por ne sherbetoret e Perandorise Osmane !
Ataturk nuk e di ne ka qene Shqiptar ! HERA PARE QE PO E DEGJOJ !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@IllyriPower
1)Etrusket mund te jene dege te Pellasgeve ... po deget ndryshojne nga trungu ... se atehere edhe greqishtja e lashte si dege e pellazgishtes duhet te ishte si shqip... apo jo ?
2)Ndergjegjja Kombetare, shtet-komb eshte ide dhe ndjenje e shekullit 19te
Ne ate kohe njerezit si shtet kishin Perandorine Osmane.dhe ata integroheshin dhe benin karriere ne ate
sistem.Qe ta kuptosh mendo USA dhe latinet ne USA.
3)Nuk thashe qe jane Heronj por thashe qe jane figura boterore te rraces tone
Axeldevil 11 months ago
@Axeldevil mua nuk me intereson se nje Shqiptar njihet ne tere boten si klysh i turqise !
Un e dua ate person qe ka luftura dhe ka dhene jeten per vendin e tij pa menduar per parat apo pushtetin !
Ali Pashain kurre nuk e kam pare si ndonje figure pozitive per Shqiperine !
un per ata qe nuk kan bere per Shqiperine ( kur kan pasur mundesi ) nuk dua te ja di fare ! le te jen legjenda !
PER MUA 1 MBETET ME I MADHI NE SHQIPERI DHE BESOJ SDO KET ME SI AI ! GJERGJ KASTRIOTI !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@IllyriPower
Ali Pashai hodhi themelet e Shtetit Grek (E thote dhe ne dokumentar1821) kish dhene shum fonde per te ha pur shkolla e kisha greke... Janina ne kohen e tij kishte arritur nivelin e qyteteve perendimore.... Ate qe donte ta bente Aliu nuk ja doli dot qellimit... se e braktisen si greket ashtu edhe shqiptaret... Ai i kish propozuar edhe Bushatllinjve te Shkodres per kryengritje por nuk e mbeshteten dhe i vetem u ngrit me ndihmen e suljoteve dhe te tjereve por humbi nga tradhetia..
Axeldevil 11 months ago
@Axeldevil masi hengri e piu mire ! vallaj ashtu trimash nuk du me i pa me sy !
atje ku ha nuk pshtyhet !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@IllyriPower
Po te ishte ashtu edhe suljotet kurr nuk duhet te mbeshtesnin Aliun ...po ja qe e bene ... do ti quajme tradhetar tani dhe keta?qe te kuptosh duhet te vesh veten ne poziten e nje njeriu ne kohen e atehershme..
Axeldevil 11 months ago
@Axeldevil un vihem ne poziten e te parve te mi ! nuk lan serb as turk me hi ! i themi ne nga anet tona !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@IllyriPower
Disa zona Katolike te veriut te shqiperise ne vende te futura gezonin liri per shkak se benin ligjin vet....
por edhe Turku nuk u fut deri ne ato zona te thella se nuk mundej prandaj i dhane nje far autonomie...
Dihet prsh per mercenaret Mirditor qe leftonin mercenar per Ali Pashen.... Nje nga keta Mirditoret vrau edhe Marko Bocarin kur u fut ne cadren e tij....
Axeldevil 11 months ago
@Axeldevil eshte e vertet , por i gjithe ballkani eshte mal , turku kisht mudesi te shkelte !
Mirditorve eshte per t'ju ul kapelen ! Bravo ju qofte qe i luftuan turqit ! ta thashe ka pasur edhe Katolik qe kan luftuar per myslimant kjo dihet !
Un vet jam me origjin prej Dukagjini ! kurre nuk do te kisha bashkpunu me ate qe me shkatrroi popullin tim ! ndoshta sepse ne andej jemi pak budallej , ndoshta sepse nderi nuk na e lejon por un po te kisha qene ne ate kohe do ti urreja turqit
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@Axeldevil me shum se cdo gje tjeter ne ket bote , edhe i urrej me shum se cdo popull tjeter !
nqs do kisha mundesine do ja u kishe bere me keq se Hitleri cifutve !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@Axeldevil U TREGUA SHQIPTAR I VERTET ! Edhe pse ndoshta do te ja kishte bere mire qe nehej aleat me Turqit kunder Sllaveve ! por a qe e kishte zemren plot urrejtje ndaj asaj rrace dhe i luftoi sa ishte i gjalle !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@Axeldevil shembullin e patem , e pam se bashk mund ti shkatrronim turqit por ja qe shum SHQIPTAR JAN TRADHTAR ! PER 2 LEK E SHESIN VENDIN E TYRE , PER KTE SOT JEMI NE KTE GJENDJE !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@Axeldevil shum te errta kemi ne historine e popullit tone !
zor se do zbulohen deri ne fund !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@Axeldevil por ndonje her historia eshte shum e nderlikuar kur nuk je i zoti te shkruash per popullin tend ( flas per ne Shqiptaret ). Disa Grek quanin barbar edhe Maqedonsit e vjeter dhe disa te tjer i quanin Grek !
ne te vertet ata ishin Tribu Greke por pak me ndryshe se greket !
prandaj po te them qe ceshtja e Epirit ose Camerise eshte shum e nderlikuar !
ndersa per sa i perket trojeve ne veri ate e dim mire te gjithe qe jan tonat sepse ne ate zone jetonin Iliret !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
@IllyriPower
Edhe Filipines adhe Filadelfia apo Indonesia jane emra grek mos jane valle grek keta?
Axeldevil 11 months ago
@Axeldevil nuk eshte se un kapem vetem mbas emrit . fakit eshte qe ne ate kohe asnje popull nuk i quajti Epiriotet Ilir apo Grek ! prandaj te thashe ndoshta kan qene nja mix i popullit Ilir dhe Helen !
Ajo qe dua te them eshte se kur nuk je i Zoti te shkruash per veten dhe per popullin tend mos prit qe te tjeret te shkruajn te verteta mbi ty ! sot Kosovo/a eshte nje toke qe dikur kishte emrin e saj Shqiptar , Dardania ! Shqiptari kurre nuk u bashkua , gjithmon ndenji si kafshe mali !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
Lum si ti Shqipri per djem qe nxorre
voli56 11 months ago
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Respect to Boqari and Suliotes....
There is an 1880 New York Times Article about their brave Albanian women.
It is very disrespectful how the Greeks look upon his bravery and the love of freedom but can't respect his true origin.
Bardh87 1 year ago
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Bardh87 1 year ago
Ashtu siç Leka i Madh nuk e tha kurrë që ishte një Grek,Ashtu siç edhe Pirroja i Ipërisë nuk e tha kurrë që ishte një Grek,Ashtu siç edhe të gjithë ne nuk e thamë kurrë që ishim Grekë,Gjithashtu,ju doni të bëni edhe Marko Boçarin një
Grek?
C'farë turpi për ju,Mashtruesë
RROFTË SHQIPËRIA ETNIKE
arbro1986 1 year ago
As well as the Alexander the Great did not ever said it was a Grek,as well as Pyrrhus of Epirus not ever said it was a Greek,as we all do not ever said that we are Greeks,Also,you want to do even Marko Boçari a
Greek?
What shame for you,Rogue
RROFTË SHQIPËRIA ETNIKE
arbro1986 1 year ago
markua luftoi per famljen dhe fshatin e tij. nuk luftoj as per fuckin greece as per shqiperin
MrKlodi75 1 year ago
Markos Botsaris was born into one of the leading clans of the Souliotes, in Epirus what are u tallking about giordanwhite? he was pure SOULIOTIS Marco Botsaris go down in history for his bravery and his important contribution to the struggle for the independence of the Greeks and is rightly regarded a national hero.We have a great istora that all peoples of envy but do not do Botsaris's bones cracking
89demonica 1 year ago
JU BYTH QIRA GREK MOS I ZINI ME GOJE ARVANITET,SE ATA JANE RRACA JONE SHQIPTARE
labtepelene1 1 year ago
Why the Greece Primeminister was killed from Arvanites? because thej wase enemys.
Ferizajcity 1 year ago
Moqari and the Suliots fight with Ali Pasha, withe the Greeks and later thej fight for the France...and after the Greek Revolution ...thej Greece Govermend kill all Indipendet Fighter...bec this Group would be have self state..(many states) one group=one smale state...thej never fight for a "greece" state.
Ferizajcity 1 year ago
It havent professional Historian in Greece? Its really amatuer what thej say..."we dont know what Boqari was"
But the World knows, only not Greece. really stupid.
Ferizajcity 1 year ago
kai autos alvanos htan re axaxaxaxaxaxax kai meta lete oti emeis oi alvanoi kanoume propaganda gamiseta eisaste........
andrianelezi 1 year ago
Poqueville and the other western bastards came only to stop the mighty Pelasgian territory that was being formed from Nis all the way down to Alexandria. We(Greeks(not the eastern turks) and Albanians(here there are Turks as well unfortunately) would have controlled all the routes of TRADE, we would have been the masters of the Mediterranean sea as ancient times. Turkey also didn't want this crap and infiltrated people like Kitsikis & Co with the bullshit Greco-Turk theory.
Pellazgu 1 year ago
Albanians and Greeks are fighting for no reason. Actually the fault is of the eastern element that Aristotle warned about. Another thing is the slavic element. Greeks don't understand that if Albania falls they will be taken over within 24 hours by the SlavoMongols. In any case, the Patriarch of the Orthodox Church of Greece is Albanian now, so slowly things will change. Once these two countries improve relations they will look for markets to expand, something that Europe and Russia areTERRIFIED
Pellazgu 1 year ago
albania dont need him......we have a lot markos in albania..still now...hahahahahah....all albanians are markos....
giordanwhite 1 year ago
Po ska nevoj se e pranon vet ky ne video qe Marko ishte Shqiptar 03:55.
Vetem se luftoi per grekerit pederasti dhe i griu tere vllezrit e vet Shqiptar-Came vetem pse ishin mysliman.
tatooo246 1 year ago
Po ska nevoj se e pranon vet ky ne video qe Marko ishte Shqiptar 03:55.
Vetem se luftoi per grekerit pederasti dhe i griu tere vllezrit e vet Shqiptar-Came vetem pse ishin mysliman.
tatooo246 1 year ago
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Marko Bocari ishte shqiptar nga Cameria
MsEmi2010 1 year ago
Marko Bocari ishte shqiptar nga Cameria
MsEmi2010 1 year ago
Marko Bocari ka familje ne Australi dhe ata thane se ne jena Shqiptare. Pra M.Bocari ishte Shqiptare.
Barebossi 2 years ago 2
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Marko Bocari ishte shqiptar nga Cameria
MsEmi2010 1 year ago
Mono ellines einai toso magkes!! giauto itan ellinas!! kai episis oi alvanoi einai tsirakia ton tourkwn!
realpanatha13 2 years ago
Μαρκος Μποτσαρης το καμαρι της Αρβανιτιας!ΕΛΛΑΣ
ilisia13 2 years ago
ΑΝ ΤΟ ΚΑΤΑΛΑΒΑΤΕ ΕΚΕΙ ΠΑΝΩ ΣΤΗΝ ΑΛΒΑΝΙΑ ΕΧΕΙ ΚΑΛΩΣ....ΣΤΑ ΚΙΝΕΖΙΚΑ ΔΕΝ ΞΕΡΩ ΝΑ ΣΑΣ ΤΟ ΕΞΗΓΗΣΩ.
STELIOSHROAS 2 years ago
ΕΙΜΑΣΤΕ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΓΙΑΤΙ ΕΙΜΑΣΤΕ ΧΡΙΣΤΙΑΝΟΙ
STELIOSHROAS 2 years ago
MARKO BOCARI THE GREAT ALBANIAN.....
giordanwhite 2 years ago 17
but marcos bocaris sead that he is greek!!! Why;;;;
realpanatha13 2 years ago
@realpanatha13 this not true...he never said that greec is..but he was so hard because he thinkit like albanian.....greks are to slims..but they miss braveheart..i m sorry...
giordanwhite 2 years ago
What the fuck are you on dickhead? HE DIED FOR GREECE IDIOT!
was it called the "albanian war of independance"? fuck your dumb get your own history useless peasant
PavlosDionysus 1 year ago
@PavlosDionysus he died 4 freedom asshole.
kapo1821 1 year ago
@PavlosDionysus he didnt die for greece, he was pure albanian and he was living in the native albanian part wich in his time was in ''greek borders'' and of course this innocent albanian(arvanitas) guy thought that in order to protect his albanian house h ehas to protect greece cuz that part of ancient albania belonged to greece in markos time, and in marco bocari's story u can see how the ALBANIAN KILT was adopted by greeks!
dardanoilir 1 year ago 11
@dardanoilir
The Souliotes were the inhabitants of Souli, a historic mountain settlement 73 km southeast of Igoumenitsa in Epirus in northwestern Greece. They established an autonomous association of villages resisting Ottoman rule. After their defeat in 1803, the Souliotes were forced to move to other parts of Greece, and many of them later became active in the Greek War of Independence starting in 1821, under leaders such as Markos Botsaris and Kitsos Tzavelas.
FROM REFERENCE . COM
POTIS1 1 year ago
@realpanatha13 so did luan shabani (leonidas), jorgo xhelili etc etc etc
streetracervti 1 year ago
@giordanwhite
Markos Botsaris , c.1788-1823, Greek patriot. Exiled from his native Epirus in 1803, he joined Ali Pasha in 1820 and later was prominent in the Greek …
ENCYCLOPEDIA COLUMBIA.....
POTIS1 1 year ago
@giordanwhite MARKOS BOTSARIS THE GREAT GREEK!
dwarfc7 8 months ago
@dwarfc7 what langauge did he speak? it would be like Spain claiming Pancho Villa lol....he was a throughbred albanian just listen to what the greek old man has to say!
hekoka 6 months ago
Germans used the same arguments when they tried to purport the Kaszuby as Germans and not Poles
IanHunedoara8 2 years ago
Albainan language those days was common for almost all slaved nations.Its like ancient Greek and Roman of their eras
kokotselos 2 years ago
bullshit ......... can you bring references ? if not shut up...
Axeldevil 2 years ago
rofl.Are you retard? Greek,Roman and Albanian language had their own eras that used to be spoken by the most nations in balkans.Something like English of nowadays
kokotselos 2 years ago
Man u are really retard ........ since when was albanian like latin ? ahahahaahah
bring some references or else your claims will be deleted.. since are only science fiction stories.
Axeldevil 2 years ago
@Axeldevil
Markos Botsaris (Μάρκος Μπότσαρης, c. 1788 - August 21, 1823) was a Greek klepht leader of Arvanite origin who played an important role in the War of Greek Independence.
Born in the region of Souli in Epirus...
FROM REFERENCE . COM
POTIS1 1 year ago
@kokotselos Mate since the dawn of civilization the Hellenic (Greek in case you don't have a clue) language was the common language for all nations, especially in the Balkan peninsula. Even when Ottoman Empire rule that region about 90% of the nations used to speak Hellenic!!!
It is written and can be proved anytime...go to school and learn few things before you say anything!!!
adamkaimaras 1 year ago
elinika den iksere o marko bocari re touvllooooo
ApolloniaUltras 2 years ago
sta paparia mas ti iksere o bocari
sixameleon 2 years ago
re kolo fara egiptiane elina REALmacedonian gamoti mana sou re ke to soi sou kolo fara bine Den vlepis re karagiozi oti to kratiko sas kanali lei gia ton marko bocari Alvanos orthodoksos den vlepis oti iksere alvanika re fasistofara esis thelete tin sfera sto kefali binedhes gamoti fara sas pou sas genise milate ke olas eno sas ta lene sta moutra ta xratika sas kanalia gamotin fara sou bine.
kristiAlbania 2 years ago
Moron what is the Greek language, the only language that use to be in Greece before the gypsies arrived from Anatolia was the Language of the Gods, Arvanitika or Arbanitka.
You are the most idiot person in the world.
topallia 2 years ago
RealmacedonianGreek? Moron beside the Bulgarian slavic language in Macedonia, the only real language spoken in Macedonia and traditions still since ancient times are the Albanians. Please please move out of here, and don't make an ass of yourself.
topallia 2 years ago
Enas LATINOS to skyli, to her' pou na to pesi,
pikro toufeki errhipse stou Markou to kefali!
A LATIN dog, may his hand perish,
discharged a bitter riffle on the head of Marko.
Marko Botsaris was killed in the battle of Karpenisi, from «Lleshi i Zi» (black-haired Alexander) a legendary Catholic Mirdite hero. The Greek popular songs lament the death of M. Botsaris
Guildenrich 2 years ago
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same like ethiopia -ethioponis kakis negros its so called "greek" to!
ILLYRICUMSACRUM 2 years ago
The Quotes posted 2nd time in a row will be deleted . since are published earlier....
in previous posts.....
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Theodor Mommsen - History of Rome
Book II Chapter 7
The brave Epirots, the Albanians of antiquity, clung with hereditary loyalty and fresh enthusiasm to the high-spirited youth -- the "eagle," as they called him. In the confusion that arose regarding the succession to the Macedonian throne after the death of Cassander (457), the Epirot extended his dominions: step by step he gained the regions on the Ambracian gulf with the important town of Ambracia, the island of Corcyra...
Axeldevil 2 years ago
h t t p : //ancienthistory.about . com / library/bl/bl_text_mommsen_2_7_3 .htm
Axeldevil 2 years ago
... and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of US(hear we can see that he was Albanian,the ''us'' refers to ''Albanese'' ) with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of ΜΥ(means Albanian) race.
O ειδιος ο Καστριοτι ελεγε οτι ηταν Αλβανος, ειποστιριζωντας την φυλη του... τα λογια των τρειτων ειναι περιτα λιπον.
ILIRIA11111111111111 2 years ago
The first known occurrence of the word Albani as the name of an Illyrian tribe in what is now north-central Albania goes back to 130 AD, in a work of Ptolemy, Albanopolis of the Albani is a place located on the map of Ptolemy
ILIRIA11111111111111 2 years ago
In the 2nd century BC, the History of the World written by Polybius, mentions a city named Arbon in present day central Albania. The people who lived there were called Arbanios or Arbanitai.
ILIRIA11111111111111 2 years ago
Romans=Ρωμιοι=Ελληνες
ILIRIA11111111111111 2 years ago
We are not Slavs to deal so easy....
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Encyclopedia Britannica 1911
The Albanians are apparently the most ancient race in southeastern Europe. History and legend afford no record of their arrival in the Balkan Peninsula. They are probably the descendants of the earliest Aryan immigrants, who were represented in historical times by the kindred Illyrians, Macedonians and Epirots;
Axeldevil 2 years ago
.......Macedonians and Epirots; the Macedonians and Epirots are believed by Hahn to have formed the core of the pre-Hellenic Tyrrheno-Pelasgian population which inhabited the southern portion of the peninsula and extended its limits to Thrace and Italy. The Illyrians were also "Pelasgian," but in a wider sense
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Of these cognate races, which are described by the Greek writers as barbarous or non-Hellenic, the Illyrians and Epirots, he thinks, were respectively the progenitors of the Ghegs, or northern, and the Tosks, or southern, Albanians.
Axeldevil 2 years ago
........... Auto katalaves esi ? ahahahahahaha
re magka ksereis agglika ?
Axeldevil 2 years ago
now let's see in the
Dictionarium Latino - Epiroticum of 1635
Albani = Arbeni (page 3)
Epirus= Arbeni (page 22)
see the words and tell me is it a latin-Greek dictionary or Latin-Albanian ?
google it , it's on google books
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Scanderbeg...
"My Forefathers were Epirotes , from which Pyrrhus rose who won the Romans"
Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. My elders were from Epirus, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro (Pyrrhus the Great), who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies.
Axeldevil 2 years ago
I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, aspecies of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Plutarch, The Parallel Lives
p348 The Life of Pyrrhus
.........Having thus outstripped their pursuers and reached a place of safety, the fugitives betook themselves to Glaucias the king of the Illyrians; and finding him sitting at home with his wife, they put the little child down on the floor before them. Then the king began to reflect. He was in fear of Cassander, who was an enemy of Aeacides, and held his peace a long time as he took counsel with himself
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Nomizw sou eipa gia ton kastrioti .. na milas me quotes...
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Plutarch, The Parallel Lives
These were called after him Pyrrhidae; for he had the surname of Pyrrhus in his boyhood, and of his legitimate children by Lanassa, the daughter of Cleodaeus the son of HYLLUS, one was named by him Pyrrhus. Consequently Achilles also obtained divine honours in Epeirus, under the native name of Aspetus.
Axeldevil 2 years ago
who gives a fuk about Macedonia .......
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Milane kai oi Pontioi tora.......
Axeldevil 2 years ago
re mlk nomizeis oti pas na ta vgaleis pera efkola opos me tous Slavous ?
Pou pas re karamitro ?
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Catholic Encyclopedia of 1900....
Albania
The ancient Epirus and Illyria, is the most western land occupied by the Turks in Europe.
Its extreme length is about 290 miles, and its breadth from forty to ninety miles.
On the west and southwest it is bounded by the Adriatic and the Ionian seas.
It is generally divided into three regions: Upper Albania, from the Montenegrin
frontier to the river Shkumbi; Lower Albania, or Epirus, from the Shkumbi to the Gulf of Arta;
and Eastern Albania...........
Axeldevil 2 years ago
who sais that ? u ?
get out of here.........
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Stefanos Skyloudis (letter to Greek foreign minister in 18/02/1877)
" .....Albanians without a writing language ,undeveloped education , without a definite religion ,
will not preserve for to long time their nationality , they will gradually assimilated from the Greeks of Epirus"
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Pou iste re magka mou ? apo ta arxaia xronia ,meseona ... mexri tis meres mas , mono alvanous vlepw stin Hpeiro.........
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Golubinski
The most famous and most learned champion of these reforms was
Maximus the Greek, born at Arta, in Albania, and educated in Italy. He entered
monastic life on Mount Athos, and in 1518 repaired to Russia.........
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Sathos (Greek Historian)
"In Middle ages Thesprotia is referred as being inhabited by Albanian population"
Axeldevil 2 years ago
KARL MARX (The Eastern Question , p.18)
With Constantinople, she stands on the threshold of the Mediterranean; with
Durazzo and the Albanian coast from Antivari to Arta, she is in the very center ....
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Lord Byron ....
Albania comprises part of Macedonia lllyria Chaonia and Epirus Iskander is the Turkish word for Alexander and the celebrated Scanderbeg Lord Alexander is alluded to in the third and fourth lines of the thirty eighth stanza I do not know whether I am correct in making Scandcrbeg the countryman of Alexander who was horn at Pella in Macedón but Mr Gibbon terms him so and adds Pyrrhus to the list in speaking of his exploits Of Albania
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Preliubvic is a greek Name ?
ahahahahaahaha
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Lord Byron (Childe Harold's)
XLII
Morn dawns; and with it stern Albania's hills,
Dark Suli's rocks, and Pindus' inland peak,
Tambourgi! Tambourgi! thy 'larum afar
Gives hope to the valiant, and promise of war;
All the sons of the mountains arise at the note,
Chimariot, Illyrian, and dark Suliote!
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Mihal Ducasnantari (Byzantine Cronist of XIV century)
"The ruler of Janina Thomas Preliubovic , the so called "ALBANOKTONOS" (albanians killer) ,
was Clearing Janina from Albanians , in a way that , he was sending Gjin Bua shpata Baskets with Albanian Eyes
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Leon the Clever ( X century a.d)
The inhabitants of Epirus are Albanians...
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Ephores
"The Head(start) of Hellas, is Akarnania from the West,because it is the first that contacts with the Epirots tribes"
Axeldevil 2 years ago
PAS MI ELLIN BARBAROS.....
Axeldevil 2 years ago
proti fora to akouw auto oti barbaros tha pei ellinas.....
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Θουκιδίδης ......
Ο στρατός του περιελάμβανεν
Έλληνας μεν Αμπρακιώτας και Λευκαδίους, και Ανακτόρους και τους χιλίους Πελοποννησίους, επι κεφαλής των οποίων είχεν έλθει ο ίδιος,
Axeldevil 2 years ago
ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΥΣ δε χιλίους Χάονας, οι οποίοι, αβασίλευτοι όντες, είχαν αρχηγούς τον Φώτυον και τον Νικάνορα, οι οποίοι κατήγοντο από το αρχοντικόν γένος που ήσκει ενιαυσίως την αρχήν. Μαζί με τους Χάονας εξεστράτευσαν και οι θεσπρωτοί, οι οποίοι ήσαν επίσης αβασίλευτοι.
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Δύναμις Μολοσσών και Ατιντάνων, εξ άλλου, ήτο υπό την αρχηγίαν του Σαβυλίνθου, επιτρόπου του βασιλέως Θαρύπου, ο οποίος ήτο ακόμη ανήλικος, και δύναμις Παραυαίων υπό την αρχηγίαν του βασιλέως Οροίδου.
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Μαζί με τους Παραυαίους εξεστράτευσαν και χίλιοι Ορέσται, των οποίων βασιλεύς ήτο ο Αντίοχος, ο οποίος είχεν εμπιστευθή την αρχηγίαν των εις τον Όροιδον
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Appianus
The Greeks call those people Illyrians who occupy the region beyond Macedonia and Thrace from Chaonia and Thesprotia to the river Danube. This is the length of the country. Its breadth is from Macedonia and the mountains of Thrace to Pannonia and the Adriatic and the foothills of the Alps. Its breadth is five days' journey and its length thirty - so the Greek writers say. The Romans measured the country and found its length to be upward of 1,000 kilometers and its width about 220
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Strabo book VII
Greece is held by the barbarians--Macedonia and certain parts of Thessaly by the thracians,and the parts above Acarnania and Aetolia by the Thesproti, the Cassopaei,the Amphilochi, the Molossi, and the Athamanes--Epeirotic tribes.
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Hpeirotis Vasilias einai o Pyrros , oxi ellinas...
Epirus = Arbeni
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Ellinou Vasilia Pyrrou? ahaahahaahaha
apo pote einai Ellinas Vasileias o Pyrros?
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Ma kala den vlepeis tis exw grapsei panw ?
Den eipa gia ton Pyrro re .... gia ton M .Aleksandro
Oso gia ton Pyrro ............ den xreiazonte eksigiseis..... leei apo monos tou o Kastriotis oti Oi Alvanoi einai Apogonoi tou Pyrrou....
kai pou gia 2ri fora katevenei stratos Epirotikos stis aktes tis Italias... gia polemo
nomizw den to exeis empedosei to keimeno tou Kastrioti....
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Sou apediksa eidi oti Epirus = Alvania ti den katalavaineis ?
den leei oti einai apogonos tou M Aleksandrou
alla leei oti "peirame meros stin ekstratia tou M.Aleksandrou" kai einai fisiko giati poli illiroiis
ipoxreothikan na metexoun sto stratevma tou M Alexandrou meta tin itta tou Stratigou Kleitou..
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Mipos theleis metafrasi sta Ellinika gia na to empedoseis kalitera ?
Axeldevil 2 years ago