z'avez pas compris il a dit que l'avion était bon (pour résumer) mais que ce qui compte c le pilote comme ils ont été poutré sa voudrait dire qu'on a des bons avoins et es bons pilotes ^^
@lemonstre69 Le Rafale est meilleur que le Mirage 2000, ya pas photo, les principales différences sont que le Rafale peut faire tous les rôles, il a quelques caractéristiques de furtivité qui fait qu'il est difficile à repérer et dispose de plusieurs capteurs passifs qui permet de repérer un avion en détectant les émissions IR ou en détectant les ondes radar de l'ennemi sans utiliser le radar, ce qui permet d'éviter de se faire détecter et de rester le plus discret possible.
quels pretencieux ces americains (je dit pas quils sont pas bon) s'aurait eté les americians qui aurait gagner caurait été impressionant ... ils aurait venté leurs pilote et leurs avions pendant des siécles ... merci a nos excellent pilotes vous etes notre fierté quelqun pourrait me dire quel serait le meilleur avion entre le rafale et le f35 et le f22 raptor a pare que les avions americain sont furtifs euh ... pourriez vous me dire quels le meilleur ??
@lemonstre69 Pour le moment le Rafale et meilleur que le F-35 car il a pas mal de problème (il fait un peu mieux que le F-16 block 60 mais il est furtif), ensuite le Rafale est moins bon que le F-22 car il a un radar très puissant et il est furtif, mais en dogfight difficile à dire, le Rafale est petit et très maniable mais le F-22 arrive à suivre car il a de très puissants moteurs et a la poussée vectorielle. Donc pour moi ce serait F22>Rafale>F35
@neage59 Salut je te remercie beaucoup de m'avoir répondu , je te conseillerais de regarder "guerre du futur" (tape sur google jcrois quue y a 3 partie) , mais il me semble que le f35 est soit disant le meileur des meilleur imbatable...(le f35c) jai vu sur wikipedia mais bon je te crois plutot toi ^^ voila tout et je te remercie beaucoup :) encore une fois !! et 'oublie pas de regarder tu va adorer parce que a ce que jvois tu est un passioné d'aviation et un conesseur aller passe une bonne soire
@neage59 Pardon tu tape "vision du futur" sur google et tu va dans videos et il va y avoir une video et ca sera maruer (1/5) tu clique et apres tu continue et les autres partie moi je te le dit TU VA TE REGALER
@lemonstre69 J'ai regardé le documentaire et il est intéressant mais il y a quelques incohérences, ils ont pris les caractéristiques du F-35 écrit sur le papier mais il est encore loin d'être comme ça, enfin peut-être qu'en 2019 (date dite dans les vidéos) le F-35 sera comme ça. Mais au niveau du Rafale vs F-22 ça marche absolument pas, le Rafale a déjà une avionique de 5e génération comme le F-22
@lemonstre69 (suite) et il y a des chances qu'il soit furtif en 2019 (version F5 du Rafale je crois), ensuite ils disent qu'ils pourront voir le F-22 seulement à portée visuelle ce qui est totalement faux, le F-22 envoie des ondes radar et ses moteurs créent de la chaleurs donc le Rafale pourra le détecter à plus de 20km (si on prend en compte la date ou peut-être que c'est déjà le cas aujourd'hui).
@lemonstre69 (suite2) Ensuite pour le combat tournoyant, il ont un peu faux même s'ils pouvaient pas savoir car la rencontre F22 vs Rafale s'est fait quelques mois après la diffusion de la vidéo, c'est que la poussée vectorielle donne un certains avantage, mais en 2019 les Rafales auront surement une poussée de 90kn contre 75kn aujourd'hui contre 156kn pour le F22, alors qu'en 2009 en combat au canon sur 6 combat il y a eu 5 égalité et 1 touché en faveur du F22.
@lemonstre69 (suite3) après cette rencontre les pilotes français, ainsi que Dassault et la DGA ont jugé que le Rafale n'a absolument pas besoin de la poussée vectorielle car inutile et qu'il n'est pas urgent de mettre des moteurs plus puissants (le Rafale a le ou l'un des moteurs les moins puissants de sa génération). Ensuite pour le reste du documentaire il n'y a rien à dire j'ai aimé et je te remercie de me l'avoir montré.
@neage59 Salut je te remercie de m'avoir tous detailés et clairement !! pour la vvideo derien !! et si tu aime vraiment le avions regarde "le ailes de guerre" c'est plus anciens mais c'et veteran de 2 guerre mondiale ,guerre ... et les combats sonts technique astucieux et tous ça dans reproduction parfaite efin bref !! aller salut toi et je e remercie de tous ce que tu vien e m'apprendre !! merci beaucoup a plus !!
RAFALE capable of 5000 knot speed when retreating from battle with rearward firing AAM....easily destroying ANY combat aircraft in existance! VIVA LA FRANCE!!!
ça fais plaisir ce score mais le ricain a raison c'est l'experience du pilote qui est primordiale et puis confronter un rafale avec un f16 c'est gagné d'avance ,mais contre un f18 super hornet !là faut voir et je ne parle meme pas du f22 , vive la france quand meme!
@ctulluh50 Sa a deja etais fait contre le F-22 au Red-Frag Emirat 2009 ,sur 6 combat le F-22 na réussi a chouté le Rafale q'une seul fois ,les 5 autres combat se sont términé sur des égalités ,donc le F-22 n'est pas si supérieure a tout point d'vue
"de se mesurera la meilleur arme de l'air du monde" vraiment lol la blague compare le nombre d'avions perdu par la part des americain et le nombre d'avions perdu par les francais ?ouai....euh un peu beaucoup naive les ricains
@gjc82071 Oh yes, that's probably one of your most beautiful planes along with the F-14, even if the noise they make on the tarmac is just horrible. ^^
I just hate the F-22 or F-35, just some stealthish bad-looking planes...
@Bourinos02 The P-51 Mustang is a really graceful looking plane too. And I always had a thing for the look of an F-4 Phantom (it looks "mean"/scarey) & also the F-9 Panther. IMO, with the possible exception of maybe the "Flanker", I find most Russian planes to be kind of ugly looking. I do love the look of the Mirage 2000 & RAFALE though, & for some reason, the Super Etendard (I just like it). There's many other "cool" looking planes, but not necessarily graceful/beautiful.
@gjc82071 Oh, if we start with warbirds, I think that P-51 Mustang and F4U Corsair are definitely the best good looking planes and the F4U is the most impressive, when you see it, you can "feel" the power of that plane. Their classic shapes are really good looking, almost all warbirds are just jewels of airplane industry both technically and visually!
@Bourinos02 OK. Let's start with warbirds & move our way up through 1st -5th gen jets, bombers, etc. :-) You seem to know your planes pretty well. That is most cool! I have many books on assorted military hardware/vehicles. So...if we are talking "power", we must give mention to that beast called the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt! }:o) As for "looks", UK Spitfire. Very grateful. I never really liked the looks of any Jap & few Nazi warbirds. BTW w/about some French/USSR warbirds?
@gjc82071 Well, I saw one of the last Junker 52 and I must admit, it's a stunning aircraft. I was even with a soldier that jumped at Monte Casino in that kind of plane, VERY emotional! When engines start, the GROUND trembles! For other warbirds, well, excluding early designs, the D520 Dewoitine is the best and the Block MB152 is the weirdest one.Looks like a japanese/UK mix :D
For USSR planes, I really like the I-153, the I-16 is a fun one and the most beautiful one is the yakolev 1 definitely!
@Bourinos02 I'm American and I am proud to say out 4 decade old jet held up versus a beautiful 5th generation fighter. We lost one we killed one, hardly an ass whooping but I do have to say the French can build a mean aircraft. If I were a pilot I would have a bit of the jitters going up against it in a Viper. Don't paint everyone with a broad brush, makes you look like a fucking idiot...just some advice...from an American.
@ruger2275 Ok, next time, make sure you say the truth.(by checking other comments if you don't understand french)
1: it's 2 rafales vs 6 F16 not 1:1 ratio...
2: Rafale is a 4.5 (4+) gen fighter, NOT A 5 (first flight in 1986 you know? Only 12 years after F-16...)
3: Noone of theses aircraft is in "stock" configuration, they are probably modernized. Google said the F-16 are block 52: made 1995-2005 so exactly the SAME than Rafale.
Next time check what you say...Just dome advice...From a french.
@Bourinos02 Your right I do not understand or speak French. Also correct with the Rafael being a 4.5 generation aircraft, I'll chock that up to a simple type-O. Sorry. Correctamundo on the maiden flight date. Viper was in 1974 a whole 12 years earlier...big difference. Your correct about the block 52's as well but the difference is avionics and power plant...no major redesign of the airframe. The simple fact I am correcting myself is making your argument about Americans foolish.
@ruger2275 I live in Australia and from my experience (hornet pilot at Williamtown) USAF and NAVY fighter pilots are inferior to other countries pilots. They often panic and do not co-operate as a cohesive group. For example we had some f16 pilots over for pitch black and they got defeated in every sortie by Malaysian f16s (inferior model) and our own hornets (less agile and bad fuel economy.
@daw162 O believe me they do not fair well at Red Flag - AZ, Red Flag - AK, or RIMPAC just as we get whooped when we come over there at times. Thing is this is just another kid with his head stuck in an Xbox and is all full of "facts".
@XshiftyshaneX Every pilot has a bad day bub and I am sorry I am not going to take what you say as truth until you produce some viable source. Im not going to take my countries pilots getting dogged out by a kid with a page full of MW3 videos....sorry. I love the Aussies, you have always been by our side and I'm proud to say that.Where is you information from? Please...and no my brothers second cousins uncle who is a Hornet driver shit. Thanks.
@ruger2275 I'm not saying that all american pilots are shit, But when i went on exchange to the states i just noticed that a majority of the pilots, especially the new ones were never taught proper aerial leadership skills and evasive maneuvers, they live way to much for the pilot to pick up, so i think what i should have said to make it clearer is that USAF pilots course while the most intense (up at 4 doing obstacle courses) it doesn't give good net results in terms of pilot skills.
@canals22 Rafael is a beautiful 5th generation multi-role fighter do of course it is going to eat an aircraft alive that has been in service since the 1970's! If it ain't worth a damn then why is it continually being upgraded, orders being made for new jets to this date, and it stood up to a fifth gen coming out EVEN 1 to 1? Hardly worthless to a rational person. You must be another America hater....
l'important c'est l'avion mais pas le pilote... Mon cul il a les boules de s'ètre fait torcher par un français ils sont mauvais joueurs ces américains...
@ironhide974 Hum c'est le contraitre, il a dit ''L'important c'est pas l'avion ses les capacités du pilote'' et je ne vois pas pourquoi il aurai les boules parce'que c'était un test ...
@mauricioalfredo83 the RAFALE is 5th gen in technology but 4.5th gen in design technology beetween the F22 . The USA know that and they don't like to put them F22 in contact with the RAFALE , the SPECTRA system of defence of the RAFALE is very fearsome .And the F22 never made missions in the world (afghanistan,iraq,libya etc..) it never made his prooves . that the reality . friendly
OMG the F-16 is a 37 years old fighter generation 4 and the RAFALE is a fighter generation 5 and is in service since 2000 the F-16 has been 1978 placed in service...So no wonder that the rafale is better than the F-16.....the rafale is a better fighter because it is new.....but the GOOD OLD VIPER kicks ass ask the Taliban
i am from iraq and iraq used to use the russian mig 29 against iran but was not effective becasue iran f14 so the iraqis bought dassult 2000 and mirage and it had big role to defeat iran force . in the gulf us used f18 superhornet which is more powerful than f16 to defeat the iraqis french aircraft's
@Samsun55 because the f-16 is lighter. the f-4 was a flying brick it was not that great...i love the f-14 but i dont know much about it so i cant say...and from wat i hear the f-35 isnt shaping up to be that great...btw check out the f-104 starfighter sound. its really old but it sounds like a frikking tai fighter from star wars
@rafwarrior realise the f-35 is a newer aircraft with a newer engine the f-16 and f-18 were built around the same time, so their engine tech is comparable
lets not judge by one dog fight ,,, the f16 is old and made with just a few parts ,,was not intended to be air superior ,, but it is one of the most beautiful planes out there ,,, the french also have a beauty in the mirage ,, the rafale is a superior fighter ,,but no were near as beautiful as the falcon or mirage ,, long live USA and viv la France
@ruger2275 on the real world buddy sorry but it's true compare the number of planes that france and the Us lost, well you know the answer to that, and i'm sorry but take a look at irak and a-stan how many bombs were dropped on civies, maybe the guys on the ground fucked up sometimes, but so did some of the pilots.
@TheJEANFB: Like i said, the F-16 was CR in 1978, the Mirage 2000 was in 1984. The newer F-16D's with AESA are superior in BVR-Combat to the Mirage 2000. However, french Fighters are still beastly. The F-16 isn't even a brilliant Jet, it wasn't built to dominate the Skies, they wanted a cheap, reliable Fighter which can be exported & mass produced. Compare it to the older F-15 which was Combat Ready in 1974.
@TankNutJohn89 Yes I know, Mirage 2000 production was halted in 2006 by Dassault dust is devoted solely to rafale . The mirage of the most aboutient with the best technology is to the UAE. Even though I know the French mirages must be updated on the basis of the Rafale
@TheJEANFB: There are also no F-16 in production anymore. The F-16's with the best Technology does have Israel & the UAE. I don't think our F-16 will get a update soon, they will be replaced by the F-35 in future.
@aldebaran899 mais arrété de cherché des éxcuse les américan les fait sont là vous avez perdu ! Et sa ne s'arrete pas au avion la France a aussi le meilleur chars au monde le Leclerc !
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but stop looking for excuses the American makes are there you lost! And does not stop the plane of France was also the best tanks in the world Leclerc!
@Srycko pour etre objectif il y a plus de 22 ans de difference entre les 2 avions, non seulement cela mais le F16 ne représente pas la puissance de l'arienne de l'armé americaine contrairement à son homologue français et pour finir le rafal coute plus de 4 fois que les F16s ...
Rafale is a bad ass plane.......when compared to the F-16. It's a good thing we retired the F-16. Place the Rafale against the F-22 Raptor, our(US) predominant airplane. By having the US fly F-16's against the French Rafale, is like having to fight you with our hands tied behind our backs. And we still dropped two of you. In all actuality, (no disrespect, just facts) France has a very little chance against the US when it comes to the skies.
@DewDewButter You haven't retired the F-16 and the F-22 isn't the predominant plane. It is the F-16 by far. F-22 is so few and grounded half the time, it hasn't even seen combat. F-16s of aggressor squadrons are flown by patch wearing IPs and Rafale got 6:1 against some of the best pilots in USAF.
Vous, je vous aime gendarmes même si les F16 ont été sympathiques et même si ils savent à qui ils ont à faire, on vous aime les USA et les F16 mais on vous la met quand même dans le cul la grosse quenelle.
I like the Rafale. For the most part, I believe that its strengths make up for its weaknesses. True it does have a small RCS stemming from a number of contributing factors, but where it makes its money is in the versatility (Omni-role vs multi-role) and its SPECTRA ew suite. Where it loses is the underpowered engines and short range and small MICA series missiles. Put an AIM-9X or a PYTHON 4 on the wings and a PL-11 or PL-12 from China, and you're in business. Oh yeah, and better engines.
@BessieRiggs Like Rafale over F16 AND F15. Did you know that S. Korea purchased 400 F15 after Currupt Lobbying Scandle? U.S. offer them overpriced for F15 at it's end of life cycle, along with "you may not modify or do any weapons maintainence, without U.S. Advisor" policy. French on the other hand offered heavly discounted latest models which would have ended up being nearly FREE after Tech Transfer and Cooperation!! Before that this "MOUNTAINOUS" coutry bought 100s of SINGLE-ENGINED F16.
@goodyshare Well that's easy. How can you argue against a country with purchasing fighters like the F-15 and F-15 that have proven and extremely effective results versus a new, unproven fighter that barely saw service in Afghanistan and just recently Libya? The only real combat experience the Rafale has is against benign ground targets. The two American jets you mention have seen both air and ground combat. We could even throw in the F-18 for good measure.
@BessieRiggs it"s no because a fighter have a longer combat experience that it's more effective.
Rafale is without a doubt the best multirole fighter on the market. f16 f15 and f18 are all outclassed concerning efficiency for multirole engagements.
Rafale doesn't need to have 25 years of combat engagement to prove his superiority.
@BessieRiggs You know that it's all GAMEs. I do know a little about flying. I fly RCs and we have Military Pilots come over on weekends, if we want to get "rid" of or old planes. Do you not smell crouption, cuz you are smelling jet fumes? Should the Swedes buy 30yr old F15cuz their Grippen never shot down an enemy fighter? Oh and the REAL question.. Does Crown Vic have near Perfect Rec cuz It's a better machine than BMW 328 or M3? Do you know what a mountainous country is? and it's req.?
@goodyshare F15E and F15SE has new bloc variants that are quite different from those variants that was released in the early days, the frames are more or less the same, but the electronics and the computer systems are quite different from then. They are pretty much just similar from skin. Just like the F16.
@ddxjon I grew up in Korea, and remember F16 test plane painted in red white and blue. Every boy had few plastic model of jet fighters. We really liked ANYTHING American. But more recently some Koreans are beginning to get tired of American Militarism. Have you seen my comments on this page about Rafale sale to Korea? U.S. forcing Korea to buy aged F15, no matter how upgraded, was like trying to sell 5000lb V8 Lincoln town car to a police dept, in the tightest area of tokyo.Check my channel
@goodyshare you know exactly nothing about fighter planes do you? Just because it comes in a new shape does not necessarily mean it's "aged". You cannot exactly compare that to a V8 Lincoln, the engine does not get updated, cars are not the same as airplanes. They're like F1 cars, they look similar but much has changed it's just hard to notice from a normal point of view, wingspans, flaps, wing angles are changed. Your channel is full of conspiracy bullshit. No thanks.
@ddxjon First Do YOU fly ANYTHING yourself? or are YOU the want to be? Second do YOU know anything about ARMs sale politics?Third Have you ever rebuilt a V8 with your OWN hands? Fourth Do you REALLY not understand the anology of 'FORCING" a "SALE" on someone, cuz v8 spins at 6K rpm and F1 engines spin at 18k+rpm, and you are nit picking autistic? Do you do nothing more than collect stats?? Comfi. So anything makin you uncomfi is wrong..gg and conspiracy?? Go collect barbie doll or something.
@goodyshare No I dont fly, but I am a BAE auronautics intern... and Im quite happy ot tell you talk bullshit. Every now and then pilots would come to the university to talk something about their experiences. America cant force buy 26 countries with F16. If they did to Korea, that does not mean they did to all those countries. Are you really that ignorant thinking. Tard i'ts nothing about performance difference im talking about here. Im talking about the F1 frames from the 90s to present. idiot
@ddxjon Are you kidding me? They let someone with filthy bias of a jew in the "Flying" program? Oh ya it's ME who lost the argument, cuz I was supposed to figure out your childhood history of F1 frames since 90s.. Oh and I have no other argument, so I use the dirty trix indigenous to me, and call the OTHER GUY idiot!! Oh I am starting to stink, maybe I will go on and on like the REAL idiot and come up wit anoda 3yr old argument. Buddy be HONEST. Am I right about your nature and background?
@goodyshare cant spell right, cant even structure the grammar right, all you could attempt is a petty insult that if anything, is just you insulting your own IQ, yes thats all you could say because you know exactly nothing about planes and even cars for this matter. what a dickhead. lol, you dont have to try to prove to yourself on the internet, the fact that you are useless in life. Oh, and if you were educated enough, you dont have to figure out your childhood, its called "research".
@goodyshare oh.. and who the fuck calls it "flying" program? Only some absolute uneducated retard would do so, clearly just supports how dumb and educated you are.
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@goodyshare cant structure grammar, cant spell right, and the best insult you have is calling someone a jew. Seriously, you're mentally ill... no need to talk to you.
@ddxjon Are jew kiddin me? Jew came back fo moa? Moa ass woopin?? This time even less than 3yr old antics? spellin gramma and sentansa??.. oh wow you REALLY EXPOSED JEWERSELF NOW!!! Come on it's jew who said "no need to talked to misspellin ones" besides It's me that gots no wits, I b so dumb all I do is call zem jew, so you can woop me ass. Do it, you b so stupido jew will, i bet money on it. Scrape bottom of the barrel!!! This a spell the barrel right? Please woop my ass.."FRENCHMAN"..
@goodyshare the only thing you're exposing is your own idiocy. I'm not even french. But really they sohuldnt really put apes on the internet... you ought to be back in the zoo.
@ddxjon do you know exactly why commercial airplanes hasnt drastically changed face since the early 80's? Do you know why they seem to look the same? What do you know about airplanes? You seem to know nothing about airplanes all you think is politics. There is a reason why 26 countries have F16's in their airforce and you dont even know this. youre only making stupid baseless assumptions. 4000 F16's have been delivered by 2010 and theres a good damn reason to it.
You come at me with noise that you fly RCs and see pilots on the weekends? Psh, dude, it's my job to study our aircraft as well as other countries' planes, training, and tactics. Does, say, Singapore buy our used F-15Es? No, they buy the SG. Brand new plane. How about the Saudis? They buy the SAs. The F-15 is proven and feared...end of story. The raw capability is only a small part of the story. Weapons and tactics are much more valuable than how hard a jet can turn or its radar range.
@BessieRiggs No I am not a female pilot who see pilots on "weekends" I am a retired one, who flys RC, now, cuz I don't own no Government, planes. C I am now older and have developed some additional skills. I can sniff cancer, like some dogs. I was called a 2nd K tiger... but. Dog be me, cuz I can sniff jew. So you have a 2nd Channel, Riggs, Are you a "dual citizen" of Israel? This is the keen skill of "RECOVERY" of a good EXERCISE. Don't come back. EVER!!!! I will REALLY WOOP your ASS!!!!
Though the Rafale is a great plane, it is significantly newer. Pitting it against the F-16 in a dogfight would be like placing the F-16 against the old Mirage 2000. The F-16 was a great fighter in it's prime, and still holds its own against many newer jets. But it is getting old. I think an excellent fighter like the Rafale needs to be put against newer fighters, like the F-22 and the F-35, to really test its capabilities. But that's just my opinion.
@cstarr3 I agree with you for the most part. But your analogy about the f-16 vs M2000 is WAY off. They are contemporaries and according to the Greeks the m2000 owned the f-16 above 25000ft. They should know, as they have them both. The f-16 was more versitile, especially in variety of armament. But the m2000 superior wing area would give it the edge in a dogfight at altitudes over 25k. Below that the f-16 was supposedly slightly better. M2000 just shoot it down in lookdown/shootdown mode.
rafale looks so weird its like a 70's design:P the obsolete tomcat is still way more goodlooking that this shit and i bet it can still kick its @ss too :P
@kintatzu333 - I don't think so. Yes, the Tomcat was a great looking plane. Arguably, the best ever - I'll give you that. But here's the point where you get a reality slap. The F-14 handled like shit - bled waaaayyy too much energy on a turn. It was extremely unreliable and horendously expensive to maintain and keep in the air. It's best and only asset, in my opinion, was the AIM-54 Phoenix missile. That's it. That's why you got rid of it. I wouldn't want to be in an F-14 in a dogfight. Fact.
@pakruy - No it's not. If it was, other countries would have bought it, wouldn't they? Nobody has bought and it's now out of date against the new 5t generation fighters. Just like the Eurofighter. Nice try.
@micou199619 the whole 4th and 5th gen thing was made up by Lockheed Martin as a selling pitch for the f-35. The rafale has a very low radar cross section, it is also made from a material that radar has issues locking on to. the biggest draw back is the missiles hanging from the wings. but that thing has a lot more then is told.
dont usually comment but I cant resist with this. The Rafale is an amazing fighter,but how are you going to compare it with an airframe that has been around for over 30 years. I know the F-16 has had many improvements over the years but its the principal that matters. Place it up against a newer fighter and I believe that would be a better performance comparison.
@pfcquinn22 you know this was just an exercice, france want to keep some rafale spe classified, as USAF on F22, that's why spectra 's offensive mode has never been used in international exercice, and that's why F22 don't use it's APG and EM sniffing capacity at full power
@heckatomb thats a F-16, now imagine a F-15 with more firepower, or a F-18, or a F-22, then you remember we have more numbers. we have better aircraft and more men, then you include that our pilots are in war more often so add experience to that!
@Gogeta181 Alright, well i wouldnt know much about the European planes, im not big on them, except for old WW2 era planes. Your english is fine dude, better than many Englishmen/Americans online. Alright, and the F-22 is a very good plane, stealth, all the payload is carried inside the plane to reduce drag, and the engines are made to reduce heat signiture i believe.
@TheMGOkilla ok, if you don't know Rafale's characteristics, I understand.
Yes, F22 is a very good stealth, but F22 was developed specially for air combat while Rafale was developed specially for multirole. Rafale is very good for air combat, and very good for bombing, attack on the ground (actualy wars)... Rafale is the best multirole fighter on the world, very complete (except stealth).
And It's not because i am French :P
Thanks for my english, it's very hard on this topic... lol
@TheMGOkilla Which experience do you have? Did the Iraqi or Afghani airforces put up any fight? The only thing the U.S airforce has done in those countries is bomb ground targets. So you have just as much experience as any airforce bombing ground targets at home, for practice. Any pilots who flew in Vietnam are now pushing age 60, so their experience counts for nothing. The U.S has not met any formidable adversaries in the air since WW2, so this 'experience' of yours is over estimated.
@copehaha LOL yes the U.S Airforce fought the Iraqi Airforce in desert storm and the navy usually takes care of the bomb dropping, The success of the U.S Airforce made the f-15 even more famous when the over powered The Iraqi Airforce that were flying MiG-29s, MiG-25s, MiG-23s, MiG-21s, Su-25s, Su-22, Su-7, Mirage F1s, Il-76 cargo plane, Pilatus PC-9 trainer, and Mi-8 So my U.S Airforce is the only airforce to have modern day dog fighting combat.
@MrPhaselineAlpha : Yeah but would face Mirage 2000 in a fight sim the same way because we're tired of shooting picture of targets to be bombed with rafales.
@spriteofbones how can a Rafale go against an F-22 when you cant even detect an F-22 on radar lol plus how can a Rafael lock on an F-22 if it can't keep up with the F-22's maneuverability?? oh don't forget that the F-22 is much faster than the Rafale...hmm Don't think the Rafale has any chance of getting close to an F-22..
Have you done checking my research on google? It brings forth a link that counts how the rafale beat the F-22. Sorry to hurt your pride, but these are facts. There's no way around it.
The F-22 is America's top fighter...do you really think we would allow the pilots to show off it's true capabilities? Not to mention exercises with rules that limit the natural advantages of the F-22's superior technology makes for a one sided affair. Also take into account that allowing foreign aircraft to beat the F-22 may push politicians into funding more programs for DoD. You forget the political aspect of the games...
Sa c’est sur mauvais joueur et tricheur, Vive le Canada, Vive la France l’aisson faire c’est américains mauvais perdants HAHA.
Tidiable105 1 day ago
z'avez pas compris il a dit que l'avion était bon (pour résumer) mais que ce qui compte c le pilote comme ils ont été poutré sa voudrait dire qu'on a des bons avoins et es bons pilotes ^^
floflo008 2 days ago
Moi je dirais pas que c'est un mélange entre un excellent avion et des excellents pilotes ce qui donne forcement une belle victoire.
Et puis comme l'as dit M.Dassault :
"un bel avion est un avion qui vole bien"
ABArtBen 5 days ago
OUCH
niksarass 1 week ago
pff c dla merde, ma renault 5 est meilleur
ouzbad1 2 weeks ago
PAN! DANS LEUR GEULE
R0ckst4r0ck3r 2 weeks ago
et quels difference y a til entre le mirage 2000 et la rafale quels le meilleurs ?
lemonstre69 2 weeks ago
@lemonstre69 Le Rafale est meilleur que le Mirage 2000, ya pas photo, les principales différences sont que le Rafale peut faire tous les rôles, il a quelques caractéristiques de furtivité qui fait qu'il est difficile à repérer et dispose de plusieurs capteurs passifs qui permet de repérer un avion en détectant les émissions IR ou en détectant les ondes radar de l'ennemi sans utiliser le radar, ce qui permet d'éviter de se faire détecter et de rester le plus discret possible.
neage59 2 weeks ago
quels pretencieux ces americains (je dit pas quils sont pas bon) s'aurait eté les americians qui aurait gagner caurait été impressionant ... ils aurait venté leurs pilote et leurs avions pendant des siécles ... merci a nos excellent pilotes vous etes notre fierté quelqun pourrait me dire quel serait le meilleur avion entre le rafale et le f35 et le f22 raptor a pare que les avions americain sont furtifs euh ... pourriez vous me dire quels le meilleur ??
lemonstre69 2 weeks ago
@lemonstre69 Pour le moment le Rafale et meilleur que le F-35 car il a pas mal de problème (il fait un peu mieux que le F-16 block 60 mais il est furtif), ensuite le Rafale est moins bon que le F-22 car il a un radar très puissant et il est furtif, mais en dogfight difficile à dire, le Rafale est petit et très maniable mais le F-22 arrive à suivre car il a de très puissants moteurs et a la poussée vectorielle. Donc pour moi ce serait F22>Rafale>F35
neage59 2 weeks ago
@neage59 Salut je te remercie beaucoup de m'avoir répondu , je te conseillerais de regarder "guerre du futur" (tape sur google jcrois quue y a 3 partie) , mais il me semble que le f35 est soit disant le meileur des meilleur imbatable...(le f35c) jai vu sur wikipedia mais bon je te crois plutot toi ^^ voila tout et je te remercie beaucoup :) encore une fois !! et 'oublie pas de regarder tu va adorer parce que a ce que jvois tu est un passioné d'aviation et un conesseur aller passe une bonne soire
lemonstre69 2 weeks ago
@neage59 Pardon tu tape "vision du futur" sur google et tu va dans videos et il va y avoir une video et ca sera maruer (1/5) tu clique et apres tu continue et les autres partie moi je te le dit TU VA TE REGALER
lemonstre69 2 weeks ago
@lemonstre69 J'ai regardé le documentaire et il est intéressant mais il y a quelques incohérences, ils ont pris les caractéristiques du F-35 écrit sur le papier mais il est encore loin d'être comme ça, enfin peut-être qu'en 2019 (date dite dans les vidéos) le F-35 sera comme ça. Mais au niveau du Rafale vs F-22 ça marche absolument pas, le Rafale a déjà une avionique de 5e génération comme le F-22
neage59 2 weeks ago
@lemonstre69 (suite) et il y a des chances qu'il soit furtif en 2019 (version F5 du Rafale je crois), ensuite ils disent qu'ils pourront voir le F-22 seulement à portée visuelle ce qui est totalement faux, le F-22 envoie des ondes radar et ses moteurs créent de la chaleurs donc le Rafale pourra le détecter à plus de 20km (si on prend en compte la date ou peut-être que c'est déjà le cas aujourd'hui).
neage59 2 weeks ago
@lemonstre69 (suite2) Ensuite pour le combat tournoyant, il ont un peu faux même s'ils pouvaient pas savoir car la rencontre F22 vs Rafale s'est fait quelques mois après la diffusion de la vidéo, c'est que la poussée vectorielle donne un certains avantage, mais en 2019 les Rafales auront surement une poussée de 90kn contre 75kn aujourd'hui contre 156kn pour le F22, alors qu'en 2009 en combat au canon sur 6 combat il y a eu 5 égalité et 1 touché en faveur du F22.
neage59 2 weeks ago
@lemonstre69 (suite3) après cette rencontre les pilotes français, ainsi que Dassault et la DGA ont jugé que le Rafale n'a absolument pas besoin de la poussée vectorielle car inutile et qu'il n'est pas urgent de mettre des moteurs plus puissants (le Rafale a le ou l'un des moteurs les moins puissants de sa génération). Ensuite pour le reste du documentaire il n'y a rien à dire j'ai aimé et je te remercie de me l'avoir montré.
neage59 2 weeks ago
@neage59 Salut je te remercie de m'avoir tous detailés et clairement !! pour la vvideo derien !! et si tu aime vraiment le avions regarde "le ailes de guerre" c'est plus anciens mais c'et veteran de 2 guerre mondiale ,guerre ... et les combats sonts technique astucieux et tous ça dans reproduction parfaite efin bref !! aller salut toi et je e remercie de tous ce que tu vien e m'apprendre !! merci beaucoup a plus !!
lemonstre69 2 weeks ago
@neage59 ca sera marquer S2 ep18 ;) aller a plus
lemonstre69 2 weeks ago
RAFALE capable of 5000 knot speed when retreating from battle with rearward firing AAM....easily destroying ANY combat aircraft in existance! VIVA LA FRANCE!!!
Oso1G 2 weeks ago
Bravo l'escadron de chasse Provence !
cyrilconnection 3 weeks ago
raffaela 'the best aircraft in only french's dream' ahhahaha:D one dogfight does not prove anything
05356158259 3 weeks ago
ça fais plaisir ce score mais le ricain a raison c'est l'experience du pilote qui est primordiale et puis confronter un rafale avec un f16 c'est gagné d'avance ,mais contre un f18 super hornet !là faut voir et je ne parle meme pas du f22 , vive la france quand meme!
ctulluh50 3 weeks ago 2
@ctulluh50 Sa a deja etais fait contre le F-22 au Red-Frag Emirat 2009 ,sur 6 combat le F-22 na réussi a chouté le Rafale q'une seul fois ,les 5 autres combat se sont términé sur des égalités ,donc le F-22 n'est pas si supérieure a tout point d'vue
yodadagoba360 3 weeks ago
@yodadagoba360 6 combats un touché face au f22 , je m'incline aec plaisir dans ce cas, de toute façon a basse altitude c'est le meilleur au monde
ctulluh50 3 weeks ago
@ctulluh50 Exact c'est un beau bébé
J'me suie tromper pour l'anné c'etait plus tôt 2010 je croie
yodadagoba360 3 weeks ago
ils se sont prit une belle branlée, après évidement bla bla bla , c'est dure de voir que les autres sont meilleurs quand on croit l'ètre .
MrFoxy51 3 weeks ago
"de se mesurera la meilleur arme de l'air du monde" vraiment lol la blague compare le nombre d'avions perdu par la part des americain et le nombre d'avions perdu par les francais ?ouai....euh un peu beaucoup naive les ricains
NSWPJ 3 weeks ago
We dont understand shit
waranish 3 weeks ago
I still find the F-16 to be one of the sleekest & most graceful look planes to every fly.
gjc82071 4 weeks ago
@gjc82071 Oh yes, that's probably one of your most beautiful planes along with the F-14, even if the noise they make on the tarmac is just horrible. ^^
I just hate the F-22 or F-35, just some stealthish bad-looking planes...
Bourinos02 3 weeks ago
@Bourinos02 The P-51 Mustang is a really graceful looking plane too. And I always had a thing for the look of an F-4 Phantom (it looks "mean"/scarey) & also the F-9 Panther. IMO, with the possible exception of maybe the "Flanker", I find most Russian planes to be kind of ugly looking. I do love the look of the Mirage 2000 & RAFALE though, & for some reason, the Super Etendard (I just like it). There's many other "cool" looking planes, but not necessarily graceful/beautiful.
gjc82071 3 weeks ago
@gjc82071 Oh, if we start with warbirds, I think that P-51 Mustang and F4U Corsair are definitely the best good looking planes and the F4U is the most impressive, when you see it, you can "feel" the power of that plane. Their classic shapes are really good looking, almost all warbirds are just jewels of airplane industry both technically and visually!
Bourinos02 3 weeks ago
@Bourinos02 OK. Let's start with warbirds & move our way up through 1st -5th gen jets, bombers, etc. :-) You seem to know your planes pretty well. That is most cool! I have many books on assorted military hardware/vehicles. So...if we are talking "power", we must give mention to that beast called the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt! }:o) As for "looks", UK Spitfire. Very grateful. I never really liked the looks of any Jap & few Nazi warbirds. BTW w/about some French/USSR warbirds?
gjc82071 3 weeks ago
@gjc82071 Well, I saw one of the last Junker 52 and I must admit, it's a stunning aircraft. I was even with a soldier that jumped at Monte Casino in that kind of plane, VERY emotional! When engines start, the GROUND trembles! For other warbirds, well, excluding early designs, the D520 Dewoitine is the best and the Block MB152 is the weirdest one.Looks like a japanese/UK mix :D
For USSR planes, I really like the I-153, the I-16 is a fun one and the most beautiful one is the yakolev 1 definitely!
Bourinos02 3 weeks ago
I love how hard it is for americans to try to accept that they got asskicked. And patriotism have nothing to do with that...
Bourinos02 4 weeks ago
@Bourinos02 I'm American and I am proud to say out 4 decade old jet held up versus a beautiful 5th generation fighter. We lost one we killed one, hardly an ass whooping but I do have to say the French can build a mean aircraft. If I were a pilot I would have a bit of the jitters going up against it in a Viper. Don't paint everyone with a broad brush, makes you look like a fucking idiot...just some advice...from an American.
ruger2275 3 weeks ago
@ruger2275 Ok, next time, make sure you say the truth.(by checking other comments if you don't understand french)
1: it's 2 rafales vs 6 F16 not 1:1 ratio...
2: Rafale is a 4.5 (4+) gen fighter, NOT A 5 (first flight in 1986 you know? Only 12 years after F-16...)
3: Noone of theses aircraft is in "stock" configuration, they are probably modernized. Google said the F-16 are block 52: made 1995-2005 so exactly the SAME than Rafale.
Next time check what you say...Just dome advice...From a french.
Bourinos02 3 weeks ago
@Bourinos02 Your right I do not understand or speak French. Also correct with the Rafael being a 4.5 generation aircraft, I'll chock that up to a simple type-O. Sorry. Correctamundo on the maiden flight date. Viper was in 1974 a whole 12 years earlier...big difference. Your correct about the block 52's as well but the difference is avionics and power plant...no major redesign of the airframe. The simple fact I am correcting myself is making your argument about Americans foolish.
ruger2275 3 weeks ago
@ruger2275 I live in Australia and from my experience (hornet pilot at Williamtown) USAF and NAVY fighter pilots are inferior to other countries pilots. They often panic and do not co-operate as a cohesive group. For example we had some f16 pilots over for pitch black and they got defeated in every sortie by Malaysian f16s (inferior model) and our own hornets (less agile and bad fuel economy.
XshiftyshaneX 1 month ago
@XshiftyshaneX I wonder how you and the malaysians would do in a war game that the american pilots were familiar with and you were not.
daw162 1 month ago
@daw162 O believe me they do not fair well at Red Flag - AZ, Red Flag - AK, or RIMPAC just as we get whooped when we come over there at times. Thing is this is just another kid with his head stuck in an Xbox and is all full of "facts".
ruger2275 3 weeks ago
@XshiftyshaneX Every pilot has a bad day bub and I am sorry I am not going to take what you say as truth until you produce some viable source. Im not going to take my countries pilots getting dogged out by a kid with a page full of MW3 videos....sorry. I love the Aussies, you have always been by our side and I'm proud to say that.Where is you information from? Please...and no my brothers second cousins uncle who is a Hornet driver shit. Thanks.
ruger2275 3 weeks ago
@ruger2275 I'm not saying that all american pilots are shit, But when i went on exchange to the states i just noticed that a majority of the pilots, especially the new ones were never taught proper aerial leadership skills and evasive maneuvers, they live way to much for the pilot to pick up, so i think what i should have said to make it clearer is that USAF pilots course while the most intense (up at 4 doing obstacle courses) it doesn't give good net results in terms of pilot skills.
XshiftyshaneX 2 weeks ago
let me tell it in english : the F-16 "ain't worth a damm"...
canals22 1 month ago
@canals22 Rafael is a beautiful 5th generation multi-role fighter do of course it is going to eat an aircraft alive that has been in service since the 1970's! If it ain't worth a damn then why is it continually being upgraded, orders being made for new jets to this date, and it stood up to a fifth gen coming out EVEN 1 to 1? Hardly worthless to a rational person. You must be another America hater....
ruger2275 3 weeks ago
l'important c'est l'avion mais pas le pilote... Mon cul il a les boules de s'ètre fait torcher par un français ils sont mauvais joueurs ces américains...
ironhide974 1 month ago 10
@ironhide974 Euh, je crois qu'il dit l'inverse "l'important c'est pas l'avion mais la qualité du pilote"....
mouais, vous vous êtes fait plumer par nos Rafale quoi ! ;) c'est pas grave, on vous en veut pas ! XD
TiboPilote 4 weeks ago
@ironhide974 ouai sauf qu il a dit exactement le contraire......il a dit que le plus important c est la qualité du pilote
kawada22000 3 weeks ago
@ironhide974 Hum c'est le contraitre, il a dit ''L'important c'est pas l'avion ses les capacités du pilote'' et je ne vois pas pourquoi il aurai les boules parce'que c'était un test ...
MehdiSkillZ 3 weeks ago
@ironhide974 je suis d'accord avec toi mais c'est l'inverse qu'il a dit "c'est pas l'avion l'important, mais le pilote"
punker91360 1 week ago 5
@ironhide974 Non il a raison, l'important ce sont les pilotes et c'est pour ça qu'on leur a mis 2 à 6. :)
MrHikachou 1 week ago
@ironhide974 t'a écouter ce qu'il a dit ?
Gueko91 5 hours ago
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France should investigate its own "dirty and bloody history instead of other nations!!
edcboatman 1 month ago
Dassault Neuron = 6 generation !
samados969 1 month ago
rafale HAVE NEVER been 5th gen fighter...plus f16n have soo many upgrdes, they must be even
mauricioalfredo83 1 month ago
@mauricioalfredo83 the RAFALE is 5th gen in technology but 4.5th gen in design technology beetween the F22 . The USA know that and they don't like to put them F22 in contact with the RAFALE , the SPECTRA system of defence of the RAFALE is very fearsome .And the F22 never made missions in the world (afghanistan,iraq,libya etc..) it never made his prooves . that the reality . friendly
esprit83990 4 weeks ago
OMG the F-16 is a 37 years old fighter generation 4 and the RAFALE is a fighter generation 5 and is in service since 2000 the F-16 has been 1978 placed in service...So no wonder that the rafale is better than the F-16.....the rafale is a better fighter because it is new.....but the GOOD OLD VIPER kicks ass ask the Taliban
187bloodgangsta 1 month ago
@187bloodgangsta
Rafale = 4.5 generation ;D
Rafale FTW
samados969 1 month ago
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187bloodgangsta 1 month ago
Rafael is way better than shitty F 16
xiexie711 1 month ago
de toute facon les f-16 et les rafale sont fort les deux
army71def 1 month ago
"C'est à la France que le monde doit ses ailes"
2 Rafales/ 6 F16
Merci aux pilotes d'avoir mit une claque à ces prétentieux!
VaeVictisF1 1 month ago 33
@VaeVictisF1 bien dit ^^
ironhide974 1 month ago
i am from iraq and iraq used to use the russian mig 29 against iran but was not effective becasue iran f14 so the iraqis bought dassult 2000 and mirage and it had big role to defeat iran force . in the gulf us used f18 superhornet which is more powerful than f16 to defeat the iraqis french aircraft's
MegaSasoky 1 month ago
@MegaSasoky Okay for the mirage but now we are talking about the Rafale try to beat that plane. This shit is a fucking beast
mehd92i 1 month ago
@MegaSasoky In which way is the F18 powerful than the F16...?
Samsun55 1 month ago
@Samsun55 it has one more engine than the f-16
rafwarrior 1 month ago
@rafwarrior So? F35 has too only one engine...the F14 or the F4 has too 2 engine and still the F16 is superior to both of them.
Samsun55 1 month ago
@Samsun55 because the f-16 is lighter. the f-4 was a flying brick it was not that great...i love the f-14 but i dont know much about it so i cant say...and from wat i hear the f-35 isnt shaping up to be that great...btw check out the f-104 starfighter sound. its really old but it sounds like a frikking tai fighter from star wars
rafwarrior 1 month ago
@rafwarrior realise the f-35 is a newer aircraft with a newer engine the f-16 and f-18 were built around the same time, so their engine tech is comparable
rafwarrior 1 month ago
@MegaSasoky iraqis mirage were outdated in term of electronic warfare and avionics.
eikkkN 1 month ago
F16 or Rafale = great planes to be watched flying :)
ex59neo53 1 month ago
Airplanes: The Rafale rules. Helicopters: The Tiger is The Best.. Tank: The Leclerc is the most efficient. Point.
Boutdumonde1 2 months ago
Ok, its true the Rafale, is a great great plane. Congrats you guys made a real super plane. You should be proud, no doubts.
bobmorane2030 2 months ago
les francais sonts les milleurs
jmbellat 2 months ago
no 22 years , F16 , first flight : 02/02/1974 , RAFALE , first flight : 07/04/1986 , 12 years later !!!!!!!!
TheLolo51140 2 months ago
@TheLolo51140 so what ?
Rafale ( 1986 ) >>>>>>> Typhoon ( 1994 )
ThePiouuuuu 2 months ago
lets not judge by one dog fight ,,, the f16 is old and made with just a few parts ,,was not intended to be air superior ,, but it is one of the most beautiful planes out there ,,, the french also have a beauty in the mirage ,, the rafale is a superior fighter ,,but no were near as beautiful as the falcon or mirage ,, long live USA and viv la France
heettreet 3 months ago
Every knows that the difference in aircraft is negligible, it comes down to the pilots and America trains the worst of them.
XshiftyshaneX 3 months ago
@XshiftyshaneX The "worst" of them....What delusional world are you living in buddy?
ruger2275 1 month ago
@ruger2275 on the real world buddy sorry but it's true compare the number of planes that france and the Us lost, well you know the answer to that, and i'm sorry but take a look at irak and a-stan how many bombs were dropped on civies, maybe the guys on the ground fucked up sometimes, but so did some of the pilots.
just my 2 cents
NSWPJ 3 weeks ago
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vive la France.
Dassault Rafale , The best fighter aircraft in the world.
david87758 3 months ago
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david87758 3 months ago
The F-16 was CR in 1978, the Rafale was in 2000, that's 22 Years later, do i need to tell you something again?
TankNutJohn89 3 months ago
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TheJEANFB 3 months ago
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TheJEANFB 3 months ago
@TankNutJohn89 Ok you are right then type on youtube "Mirage 2000 vs F16: Dogfight"
TheJEANFB 3 months ago
@TheJEANFB: Like i said, the F-16 was CR in 1978, the Mirage 2000 was in 1984. The newer F-16D's with AESA are superior in BVR-Combat to the Mirage 2000. However, french Fighters are still beastly. The F-16 isn't even a brilliant Jet, it wasn't built to dominate the Skies, they wanted a cheap, reliable Fighter which can be exported & mass produced. Compare it to the older F-15 which was Combat Ready in 1974.
TankNutJohn89 3 months ago
@TankNutJohn89 Yes I know, Mirage 2000 production was halted in 2006 by Dassault dust is devoted solely to rafale . The mirage of the most aboutient with the best technology is to the UAE. Even though I know the French mirages must be updated on the basis of the Rafale
TheJEANFB 3 months ago
@TheJEANFB: There are also no F-16 in production anymore. The F-16's with the best Technology does have Israel & the UAE. I don't think our F-16 will get a update soon, they will be replaced by the F-35 in future.
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aldebaran899 3 months ago
@aldebaran899 in a real dogfight, if a rafale meets a f16, he'll fight against the f16, same type or not ^^'
aston20100 3 months ago
@aldebaran899 mais arrété de cherché des éxcuse les américan les fait sont là vous avez perdu ! Et sa ne s'arrete pas au avion la France a aussi le meilleur chars au monde le Leclerc !
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but stop looking for excuses the American makes are there you lost! And does not stop the plane of France was also the best tanks in the world Leclerc!
Srycko 3 months ago
@Srycko pour etre objectif il y a plus de 22 ans de difference entre les 2 avions, non seulement cela mais le F16 ne représente pas la puissance de l'arienne de l'armé americaine contrairement à son homologue français et pour finir le rafal coute plus de 4 fois que les F16s ...
InitialDAmine 3 months ago
@InitialDAmine quel F16 ? le block 60 ? le F16IN ? Quel rafale ? le F1 ? le F3 ?
bingofioul 2 months ago
Rafale is a bad ass plane.......when compared to the F-16. It's a good thing we retired the F-16. Place the Rafale against the F-22 Raptor, our(US) predominant airplane. By having the US fly F-16's against the French Rafale, is like having to fight you with our hands tied behind our backs. And we still dropped two of you. In all actuality, (no disrespect, just facts) France has a very little chance against the US when it comes to the skies.
DewDewButter 3 months ago
@DewDewButter You haven't retired the F-16 and the F-22 isn't the predominant plane. It is the F-16 by far. F-22 is so few and grounded half the time, it hasn't even seen combat. F-16s of aggressor squadrons are flown by patch wearing IPs and Rafale got 6:1 against some of the best pilots in USAF.
stalkingalizee 3 months ago
Vous, je vous aime gendarmes même si les F16 ont été sympathiques et même si ils savent à qui ils ont à faire, on vous aime les USA et les F16 mais on vous la met quand même dans le cul la grosse quenelle.
TheArnaud720 4 months ago
I like the Rafale. For the most part, I believe that its strengths make up for its weaknesses. True it does have a small RCS stemming from a number of contributing factors, but where it makes its money is in the versatility (Omni-role vs multi-role) and its SPECTRA ew suite. Where it loses is the underpowered engines and short range and small MICA series missiles. Put an AIM-9X or a PYTHON 4 on the wings and a PL-11 or PL-12 from China, and you're in business. Oh yeah, and better engines.
BessieRiggs 4 months ago
@BessieRiggs Like Rafale over F16 AND F15. Did you know that S. Korea purchased 400 F15 after Currupt Lobbying Scandle? U.S. offer them overpriced for F15 at it's end of life cycle, along with "you may not modify or do any weapons maintainence, without U.S. Advisor" policy. French on the other hand offered heavly discounted latest models which would have ended up being nearly FREE after Tech Transfer and Cooperation!! Before that this "MOUNTAINOUS" coutry bought 100s of SINGLE-ENGINED F16.
goodyshare 4 months ago
@goodyshare Well that's easy. How can you argue against a country with purchasing fighters like the F-15 and F-15 that have proven and extremely effective results versus a new, unproven fighter that barely saw service in Afghanistan and just recently Libya? The only real combat experience the Rafale has is against benign ground targets. The two American jets you mention have seen both air and ground combat. We could even throw in the F-18 for good measure.
BessieRiggs 4 months ago
@BessieRiggs it"s no because a fighter have a longer combat experience that it's more effective.
Rafale is without a doubt the best multirole fighter on the market. f16 f15 and f18 are all outclassed concerning efficiency for multirole engagements.
Rafale doesn't need to have 25 years of combat engagement to prove his superiority.
technical datas speak about themselves.
xenomorphelv426 4 months ago
@BessieRiggs You know that it's all GAMEs. I do know a little about flying. I fly RCs and we have Military Pilots come over on weekends, if we want to get "rid" of or old planes. Do you not smell crouption, cuz you are smelling jet fumes? Should the Swedes buy 30yr old F15cuz their Grippen never shot down an enemy fighter? Oh and the REAL question.. Does Crown Vic have near Perfect Rec cuz It's a better machine than BMW 328 or M3? Do you know what a mountainous country is? and it's req.?
goodyshare 4 months ago
@goodyshare F15E and F15SE has new bloc variants that are quite different from those variants that was released in the early days, the frames are more or less the same, but the electronics and the computer systems are quite different from then. They are pretty much just similar from skin. Just like the F16.
ddxjon 4 months ago
@ddxjon I grew up in Korea, and remember F16 test plane painted in red white and blue. Every boy had few plastic model of jet fighters. We really liked ANYTHING American. But more recently some Koreans are beginning to get tired of American Militarism. Have you seen my comments on this page about Rafale sale to Korea? U.S. forcing Korea to buy aged F15, no matter how upgraded, was like trying to sell 5000lb V8 Lincoln town car to a police dept, in the tightest area of tokyo.Check my channel
goodyshare 4 months ago
@goodyshare you know exactly nothing about fighter planes do you? Just because it comes in a new shape does not necessarily mean it's "aged". You cannot exactly compare that to a V8 Lincoln, the engine does not get updated, cars are not the same as airplanes. They're like F1 cars, they look similar but much has changed it's just hard to notice from a normal point of view, wingspans, flaps, wing angles are changed. Your channel is full of conspiracy bullshit. No thanks.
ddxjon 4 months ago
@ddxjon First Do YOU fly ANYTHING yourself? or are YOU the want to be? Second do YOU know anything about ARMs sale politics?Third Have you ever rebuilt a V8 with your OWN hands? Fourth Do you REALLY not understand the anology of 'FORCING" a "SALE" on someone, cuz v8 spins at 6K rpm and F1 engines spin at 18k+rpm, and you are nit picking autistic? Do you do nothing more than collect stats?? Comfi. So anything makin you uncomfi is wrong..gg and conspiracy?? Go collect barbie doll or something.
goodyshare 3 months ago
@goodyshare No I dont fly, but I am a BAE auronautics intern... and Im quite happy ot tell you talk bullshit. Every now and then pilots would come to the university to talk something about their experiences. America cant force buy 26 countries with F16. If they did to Korea, that does not mean they did to all those countries. Are you really that ignorant thinking. Tard i'ts nothing about performance difference im talking about here. Im talking about the F1 frames from the 90s to present. idiot
ddxjon 3 months ago
@ddxjon Are you kidding me? They let someone with filthy bias of a jew in the "Flying" program? Oh ya it's ME who lost the argument, cuz I was supposed to figure out your childhood history of F1 frames since 90s.. Oh and I have no other argument, so I use the dirty trix indigenous to me, and call the OTHER GUY idiot!! Oh I am starting to stink, maybe I will go on and on like the REAL idiot and come up wit anoda 3yr old argument. Buddy be HONEST. Am I right about your nature and background?
goodyshare 3 months ago
@goodyshare cant spell right, cant even structure the grammar right, all you could attempt is a petty insult that if anything, is just you insulting your own IQ, yes thats all you could say because you know exactly nothing about planes and even cars for this matter. what a dickhead. lol, you dont have to try to prove to yourself on the internet, the fact that you are useless in life. Oh, and if you were educated enough, you dont have to figure out your childhood, its called "research".
ddxjon 3 months ago
@goodyshare oh.. and who the fuck calls it "flying" program? Only some absolute uneducated retard would do so, clearly just supports how dumb and educated you are.
ddxjon 3 months ago
@ddxjon OMG JEW just answered thousand question I had about you.. i mean jew.. with that idot "flyin" pogram.. zis and zat... dumb fuck I gotts no logical argumentz so I gots to scrape the bottom of the barrel and spew out all the idiot dumb and what not.. I know if it talks like a duck, if it thinks like a duck, if it types like a duck, it's JEW!! Idiot!!!! Idot!!!! uneducated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha I am 3yr old and can spell these words and made the best usery.. I win I win I win.......Flyin!!!
goodyshare 3 months ago
@goodyshare cant structure grammar, cant spell right, and the best insult you have is calling someone a jew. Seriously, you're mentally ill... no need to talk to you.
ddxjon 3 months ago
@ddxjon Are jew kiddin me? Jew came back fo moa? Moa ass woopin?? This time even less than 3yr old antics? spellin gramma and sentansa??.. oh wow you REALLY EXPOSED JEWERSELF NOW!!! Come on it's jew who said "no need to talked to misspellin ones" besides It's me that gots no wits, I b so dumb all I do is call zem jew, so you can woop me ass. Do it, you b so stupido jew will, i bet money on it. Scrape bottom of the barrel!!! This a spell the barrel right? Please woop my ass.."FRENCHMAN"..
goodyshare 3 months ago
@goodyshare the only thing you're exposing is your own idiocy. I'm not even french. But really they sohuldnt really put apes on the internet... you ought to be back in the zoo.
ddxjon 3 months ago
@ddxjon do you know exactly why commercial airplanes hasnt drastically changed face since the early 80's? Do you know why they seem to look the same? What do you know about airplanes? You seem to know nothing about airplanes all you think is politics. There is a reason why 26 countries have F16's in their airforce and you dont even know this. youre only making stupid baseless assumptions. 4000 F16's have been delivered by 2010 and theres a good damn reason to it.
ddxjon 4 months ago
You come at me with noise that you fly RCs and see pilots on the weekends? Psh, dude, it's my job to study our aircraft as well as other countries' planes, training, and tactics. Does, say, Singapore buy our used F-15Es? No, they buy the SG. Brand new plane. How about the Saudis? They buy the SAs. The F-15 is proven and feared...end of story. The raw capability is only a small part of the story. Weapons and tactics are much more valuable than how hard a jet can turn or its radar range.
BessieRiggs 3 months ago
@BessieRiggs No I am not a female pilot who see pilots on "weekends" I am a retired one, who flys RC, now, cuz I don't own no Government, planes. C I am now older and have developed some additional skills. I can sniff cancer, like some dogs. I was called a 2nd K tiger... but. Dog be me, cuz I can sniff jew. So you have a 2nd Channel, Riggs, Are you a "dual citizen" of Israel? This is the keen skill of "RECOVERY" of a good EXERCISE. Don't come back. EVER!!!! I will REALLY WOOP your ASS!!!!
goodyshare 3 months ago
ils ont enfin compris qu'elle est la véritable meilleur armé au monde vive la France
Daxtueur72210 4 months ago
@Daxtueur72210 f-16 a été mise en servie il y'a 30ans ! Rafale en 2001 ?!
tu vois ce que je veux dire ? vous pouvez pas comparez ces deux avions car chacune est d'une génération même si F-16 a été modernisé plusieurs fois..
ose comparez ton Rafale avec le f-22 !!
PatoWiNNERS 4 months ago
@Daxtueur72210 tu regardes trop TF1
yaglourt 3 months ago
F-22 = Beautiful jet Fighters for Hollywood movies , Airshow , To pretend USA are the best , totaly waste of money
94rainbowx33 5 months ago
lol I shoot down F16's, Rafales all the time on my xbox 360!
tk291100 5 months ago
Though the Rafale is a great plane, it is significantly newer. Pitting it against the F-16 in a dogfight would be like placing the F-16 against the old Mirage 2000. The F-16 was a great fighter in it's prime, and still holds its own against many newer jets. But it is getting old. I think an excellent fighter like the Rafale needs to be put against newer fighters, like the F-22 and the F-35, to really test its capabilities. But that's just my opinion.
cstarr3 5 months ago
@cstarr3 I agree with you for the most part. But your analogy about the f-16 vs M2000 is WAY off. They are contemporaries and according to the Greeks the m2000 owned the f-16 above 25000ft. They should know, as they have them both. The f-16 was more versitile, especially in variety of armament. But the m2000 superior wing area would give it the edge in a dogfight at altitudes over 25k. Below that the f-16 was supposedly slightly better. M2000 just shoot it down in lookdown/shootdown mode.
gibbsrg 5 months ago
rafale looks so weird its like a 70's design:P the obsolete tomcat is still way more goodlooking that this shit and i bet it can still kick its @ss too :P
kintatzu333 5 months ago
@kintatzu333 it's a joke ? Rafale is a beautiful and elegant airplane !
minhounou 5 months ago
@kintatzu333 - I don't think so. Yes, the Tomcat was a great looking plane. Arguably, the best ever - I'll give you that. But here's the point where you get a reality slap. The F-14 handled like shit - bled waaaayyy too much energy on a turn. It was extremely unreliable and horendously expensive to maintain and keep in the air. It's best and only asset, in my opinion, was the AIM-54 Phoenix missile. That's it. That's why you got rid of it. I wouldn't want to be in an F-14 in a dogfight. Fact.
smeary10 5 months ago
@smeary10 Tome Cruse would. ;)
WhiteNinjainblack 5 months ago
Rafale is officialy the best fighter in the world.
pakruy 5 months ago
@pakruy - No it's not. If it was, other countries would have bought it, wouldn't they? Nobody has bought and it's now out of date against the new 5t generation fighters. Just like the Eurofighter. Nice try.
smeary10 5 months ago
@smeary10 a lot of contry can't aford 5th gen so 4th gen is stil in the market
micou199619 4 months ago
@micou199619 the whole 4th and 5th gen thing was made up by Lockheed Martin as a selling pitch for the f-35. The rafale has a very low radar cross section, it is also made from a material that radar has issues locking on to. the biggest draw back is the missiles hanging from the wings. but that thing has a lot more then is told.
Baseshocks 4 months ago
hmm...how old is the f-16 compared to this rafale? f-16 really rocks!!!
TolitsDterrible 6 months ago
Buy a french car, then you really have a problem!
MrTimodon 6 months ago
qui c'est les plus fort c'est bibiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii !! xD
il a trop l'air deg le ricain à la fin ^^
schtroumpfdoviK 6 months ago
Si, après les USA.
carrotyellowcake 6 months ago
Excusez moi mais c'est pas la france qui est la meilleur armée de l'air du monde
pluidefeux06 6 months ago
dont usually comment but I cant resist with this. The Rafale is an amazing fighter,but how are you going to compare it with an airframe that has been around for over 30 years. I know the F-16 has had many improvements over the years but its the principal that matters. Place it up against a newer fighter and I believe that would be a better performance comparison.
pfcquinn22 6 months ago
@pfcquinn22 you know this was just an exercice, france want to keep some rafale spe classified, as USAF on F22, that's why spectra 's offensive mode has never been used in international exercice, and that's why F22 don't use it's APG and EM sniffing capacity at full power
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edgar0001 6 months ago
yes because f-22 raptor is only made to hunt but it can't drop bomb so is better to hunt. (sorry I don't speack english correctly)
heckatomb 6 months ago
@heckatomb can hold 2x 2000lb JDAM or 16x SDBs... Can carry same as F-35, just with the addition of 2 sidewinders.
F-35 A2A = 6xAMRAAM - F-22 A2A = 6xAMRAAM 2xAim-9
F-35 A2G = 2xAMRAAM 2x2000lb JDAM - F-22 A2G = 2x AMRAAM 2x 2000lb JDAM 2x Aim-9
MilitaryAircraft101 6 months ago
who win the fight?
razor11079 6 months ago
@razor11079
France win the fight
frenches kill six F-16 and americans kill two rafales
we are the winners vive la france ^^
heckatomb 6 months ago 22
@heckatomb wow nice
razor11079 6 months ago
@heckatomb did f-22 can bring down this rafaeL?
razor11079 6 months ago
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@razor11079
yes because f-22 raptor is only made to hunt but it can't drop bomb so is better to hunt. (sorry I don't speack english correctly)
heckatomb 6 months ago
@heckatomb its ok
razor11079 6 months ago
@razor11079 USAF shot down 2 rafales, French pilot shot 6 f-16 down. I wonder if your f-35 JSF can beat the shit out of one of our Mirage 2000N.
ApoNapo4 6 months ago
@heckatomb non mais quelle arrogance...
oldies90s 4 months ago
@oldies90s
lol!
heckatomb 4 months ago
@heckatomb thats a F-16, now imagine a F-15 with more firepower, or a F-18, or a F-22, then you remember we have more numbers. we have better aircraft and more men, then you include that our pilots are in war more often so add experience to that!
TheMGOkilla 4 months ago
@TheMGOkilla The only aircraft who can to rival with Rafale is the F22.
Moreover, there was a demonstration of fight between F22 and Rafale (6 battles at Emirate).
Results :1 victory for F22, and 5 equality... (the rest being secret-defense because of thermal signatures)
And for the experience of pilots, The Rafale is in operation in Afghanistan with your aircraft...
(sorry if my english is bad)
Gogeta181 4 months ago
@Gogeta181 Alright, well i wouldnt know much about the European planes, im not big on them, except for old WW2 era planes. Your english is fine dude, better than many Englishmen/Americans online. Alright, and the F-22 is a very good plane, stealth, all the payload is carried inside the plane to reduce drag, and the engines are made to reduce heat signiture i believe.
TheMGOkilla 4 months ago
@TheMGOkilla ok, if you don't know Rafale's characteristics, I understand.
Yes, F22 is a very good stealth, but F22 was developed specially for air combat while Rafale was developed specially for multirole. Rafale is very good for air combat, and very good for bombing, attack on the ground (actualy wars)... Rafale is the best multirole fighter on the world, very complete (except stealth).
And It's not because i am French :P
Thanks for my english, it's very hard on this topic... lol
Gogeta181 4 months ago
@Gogeta181 Lol, most French act better than me and like total asses. so thanks for proving me wrong! :D
TheMGOkilla 4 months ago
@TheMGOkilla Which experience do you have? Did the Iraqi or Afghani airforces put up any fight? The only thing the U.S airforce has done in those countries is bomb ground targets. So you have just as much experience as any airforce bombing ground targets at home, for practice. Any pilots who flew in Vietnam are now pushing age 60, so their experience counts for nothing. The U.S has not met any formidable adversaries in the air since WW2, so this 'experience' of yours is over estimated.
copehaha 3 months ago
@copehaha LOL yes the U.S Airforce fought the Iraqi Airforce in desert storm and the navy usually takes care of the bomb dropping, The success of the U.S Airforce made the f-15 even more famous when the over powered The Iraqi Airforce that were flying MiG-29s, MiG-25s, MiG-23s, MiG-21s, Su-25s, Su-22, Su-7, Mirage F1s, Il-76 cargo plane, Pilatus PC-9 trainer, and Mi-8 So my U.S Airforce is the only airforce to have modern day dog fighting combat.
TH7596 2 months ago
vive la france ces les meilleur ^^
67100Meinau 7 months ago
The US is now using the F-22 Raptor and F-35 JSF just because kicking ass with the F-15 F-18 and F-16 got fucking boring
MrPhaselineAlpha 7 months ago
@MrPhaselineAlpha : Yeah but would face Mirage 2000 in a fight sim the same way because we're tired of shooting picture of targets to be bombed with rafales.
ApoNapo4 6 months ago
fucking french cant learn english
murrayisthebest 7 months ago
@murrayisthebest This is the French TV. Why would we speak english in our TV shows ??
BeChucky 7 months ago
Et vive la France
aquaman290 7 months ago
40 year old jet design vs 5 year old jet design?
put the rafale against the f-22 or f-35, lets see those results.
EmergencyVehiclesAu 7 months ago
@EmergencyVehiclesAu
actually...
Rafale beats F-35 & F-22 in Flight International (check on google with this)
spriteofbones 7 months ago
@spriteofbones F-35 has VSTOL and VTOL, as well As Radar Deflection Traits, the f-22 is full Stealth and can Carry larger bomb loads.
The rafale can take off and land on a ship, and almost instantly gets detected by radar.
EmergencyVehiclesAu 7 months ago
@spriteofbones how can a Rafale go against an F-22 when you cant even detect an F-22 on radar lol plus how can a Rafael lock on an F-22 if it can't keep up with the F-22's maneuverability?? oh don't forget that the F-22 is much faster than the Rafale...hmm Don't think the Rafale has any chance of getting close to an F-22..
that's my take on it...
arvince99 7 months ago
@arvince99 the F-22 is Grounded.....
francepatriote1 7 months ago
@arvince99
Have you done checking my research on google? It brings forth a link that counts how the rafale beat the F-22. Sorry to hurt your pride, but these are facts. There's no way around it.
spriteofbones 7 months ago
@spriteofbones
The F-22 is America's top fighter...do you really think we would allow the pilots to show off it's true capabilities? Not to mention exercises with rules that limit the natural advantages of the F-22's superior technology makes for a one sided affair. Also take into account that allowing foreign aircraft to beat the F-22 may push politicians into funding more programs for DoD. You forget the political aspect of the games...
rpenri 7 months ago