thats fine to a point. there is such a thing as staying in the airplane, despite the spotter, you do have eyes and can judge for yourself. getting out of the airplane was only issue #1.
if you are landing out, you need to constantly be looking for hazards, looking for power poles is a huge one. even if you missed seeing them, how about once D hit the lines? why didnt you make any alteration in your course? you had a ridiculous amount of time to change.
that all leads up to the knee jerk reaction of toggle whipping at the end which alone should have killed you, and isn't anything close to what you should do if you ever encounter powerlines.
@tribecalledquestlove I didn't see the lines until I heard D yelling and they were 10 feet in front of me . D didn't see the lines until he actually hit them. They were thin gray lines that were almost impossible to see from a distance, especially when we're focused on the ground 50 feet in front. I literally had a second to react, and my instinct told me that even a low turn is better than laying myself out on top of several power lines.
@tribecalledquestlove I could have flared, but I don't have enough experience to know whether I'd actually fly over the lines or not. Another option would have been to cutaway, but then I'd still have dropped the 30ft. What would you have done?
@tribecalledquestlove Whether it was from inexperience or ignorance, I didn't realize D had hit powerlines. I just saw him collapse to the ground and wanted to get to him ASAP. Jean, who also saw the flash, also didn't make the connection. It's easy to look back on it now and ask myself what I was thinking, but my mind just didn't realize what it was, and at that moment I was more concerned for D and making sure he was ok.
I knew the spot we had and knew exactly where the drop zone was when exiting the aircraft. I assumed if I pulled a great deal higher I would be able to make it back. I did pull higher but because of a long deployment process...almost cut away...I was farther away from the drop zone than i hoped. I might have been able to make it back but I have learned from skydiving that you don't want to force anything and I would have been better off
if I found a place around where I was to land. I did see power lines go up along the sides of the field but did not see any going along the middle of the field. I did not see anything until the point that I actually made contact with the lines and then I completely knew. The main mistake here that will keep this from happening again is being 100% positive that I could make it back to the dropzone...and not relying on landing out
every single thing in this video could have been prevented. its not like people weren't watching out for you(including on the airplane prior to this jump) or trying to give good useful info to you either. i know both of you personally. why, at that damn drop zone, do people not listen, and it take an incident such as this, where both of you could have lost your lives, for people to wake up. i love both of you, and dont want to see any more of my friends dead. god i hope you learned something
@tribecalledquestlove We were told there was going to be an offset on the jump prior, and we were right over the landing field. This jump we were told the same thing, and D spotted something through the clouds that he thought WAS our landing field. we did pull at least 1k higher than we usually do, but D's canopy took a really long time to open, and I wasn't going to let him land out by himself.
@tribecalledquestlove Even Jean, who pulled higher than we did, had to land in the same field we did (she also didn't see the powerlines but luckily landed closer than we did and avoided them). Our biggest mistake was not seeing the powerlines, and me not realizing that that's what D had hit. There'll always be times when something will go wrong (malfunction, etc.) and it'll be necessary to land out, but we now know to avoid landing between ANY kind of towers (even if we don't see the lines).
@tribecalledquestlove I know you mean well, but there's only so much you can see of what happened in the video, and it's easy to talk about it after the fact. We did listen to the warning about the spot on the airplane, but by no means were we expecting to be THAT far from our LZ. D and I are both new to the sport, but given our limited knowledge and experience we reacted to the situations thrown at us in the best ways we could have. We did learn a lot, and we're grateful to still be here.
You guys are both so F**king lucky. Unfortunately, this is not the type of activity were you can rely on luck. Please, for the sake of all who see this, do tell what you learned from this experience. Without that, the only thing good about this video is the rainbow! 0:28 Oh and I'm glad you are both ok...
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tribecalledquestlove 3 months ago
@contract25
thats fine to a point. there is such a thing as staying in the airplane, despite the spotter, you do have eyes and can judge for yourself. getting out of the airplane was only issue #1.
if you are landing out, you need to constantly be looking for hazards, looking for power poles is a huge one. even if you missed seeing them, how about once D hit the lines? why didnt you make any alteration in your course? you had a ridiculous amount of time to change.
tribecalledquestlove 3 months ago
that all leads up to the knee jerk reaction of toggle whipping at the end which alone should have killed you, and isn't anything close to what you should do if you ever encounter powerlines.
tribecalledquestlove 3 months ago
@tribecalledquestlove I didn't see the lines until I heard D yelling and they were 10 feet in front of me . D didn't see the lines until he actually hit them. They were thin gray lines that were almost impossible to see from a distance, especially when we're focused on the ground 50 feet in front. I literally had a second to react, and my instinct told me that even a low turn is better than laying myself out on top of several power lines.
contract25 3 months ago
@tribecalledquestlove I could have flared, but I don't have enough experience to know whether I'd actually fly over the lines or not. Another option would have been to cutaway, but then I'd still have dropped the 30ft. What would you have done?
contract25 3 months ago
@tribecalledquestlove Whether it was from inexperience or ignorance, I didn't realize D had hit powerlines. I just saw him collapse to the ground and wanted to get to him ASAP. Jean, who also saw the flash, also didn't make the connection. It's easy to look back on it now and ask myself what I was thinking, but my mind just didn't realize what it was, and at that moment I was more concerned for D and making sure he was ok.
contract25 3 months ago
@tribecalledquestlove
issue #1 bad spot
I knew the spot we had and knew exactly where the drop zone was when exiting the aircraft. I assumed if I pulled a great deal higher I would be able to make it back. I did pull higher but because of a long deployment process...almost cut away...I was farther away from the drop zone than i hoped. I might have been able to make it back but I have learned from skydiving that you don't want to force anything and I would have been better off
tbone3939 3 months ago
@tribecalledquestlove
if I found a place around where I was to land. I did see power lines go up along the sides of the field but did not see any going along the middle of the field. I did not see anything until the point that I actually made contact with the lines and then I completely knew. The main mistake here that will keep this from happening again is being 100% positive that I could make it back to the dropzone...and not relying on landing out
tbone3939 3 months ago
every single thing in this video could have been prevented. its not like people weren't watching out for you(including on the airplane prior to this jump) or trying to give good useful info to you either. i know both of you personally. why, at that damn drop zone, do people not listen, and it take an incident such as this, where both of you could have lost your lives, for people to wake up. i love both of you, and dont want to see any more of my friends dead. god i hope you learned something
tribecalledquestlove 3 months ago
@tribecalledquestlove We were told there was going to be an offset on the jump prior, and we were right over the landing field. This jump we were told the same thing, and D spotted something through the clouds that he thought WAS our landing field. we did pull at least 1k higher than we usually do, but D's canopy took a really long time to open, and I wasn't going to let him land out by himself.
contract25 3 months ago
@tribecalledquestlove Even Jean, who pulled higher than we did, had to land in the same field we did (she also didn't see the powerlines but luckily landed closer than we did and avoided them). Our biggest mistake was not seeing the powerlines, and me not realizing that that's what D had hit. There'll always be times when something will go wrong (malfunction, etc.) and it'll be necessary to land out, but we now know to avoid landing between ANY kind of towers (even if we don't see the lines).
contract25 3 months ago
@tribecalledquestlove I know you mean well, but there's only so much you can see of what happened in the video, and it's easy to talk about it after the fact. We did listen to the warning about the spot on the airplane, but by no means were we expecting to be THAT far from our LZ. D and I are both new to the sport, but given our limited knowledge and experience we reacted to the situations thrown at us in the best ways we could have. We did learn a lot, and we're grateful to still be here.
contract25 3 months ago
You guys are both so F**king lucky. Unfortunately, this is not the type of activity were you can rely on luck. Please, for the sake of all who see this, do tell what you learned from this experience. Without that, the only thing good about this video is the rainbow! 0:28 Oh and I'm glad you are both ok...
EchoSkunk 3 months ago