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  • why not shoot one down and then we will see...

  • @fairhillnorrie they can't they've already tried in battle for L.A

  • "The negative claims of pseudo-skeptics who offer facile explanations must themselves be subject to criticism. If a competent witness reports having seen something tens of degrees of arc in size (as happens) and the scoffer, who of course was not there -- offers Venus or a high altitude weather balloon as an explanation, the requirement of extraordinary proof for an extraordinary claim falls on the proffered negative claim as well."

    ~ Bernard Haisch, Astrophysicist.

  • "The evidence that there are objects which have been seen in our atmosphere, and even on terra firma, that cannot be accounted for either as man-made objects or as any physical force or effect known to our scientists, seems to me to be overwhelming... A very large number of sightings have been vouched for by persons whose credentials seem to me unimpeachable."

    ~ Lord Hill-Norton, Chief of Defense Staff, Ministry of Defense, U.K., 1973

  • Just another piece of food for UFO crazies. Remember, they ask never after circumstances, proofs - and other nasty things that could dull their beliefs into alien spaceships.

    ;-))

  • You`re clearly a serious researcher on the topic, especially if you dismiss evidence and accounts contrary to your views as "food for UFO crazies".

  • williamwilson666, where is evidence for what and what accounts? UFO is a technical acronym for an unidentified airborne object, an observer can't explain. Upon sufficient data, a particular sighting can be explained. Unfortunately, nobody wants to do that: UFO-crazies want to believe in holy ETs providing salvation, doom (or both), conspiracy-writers want to sell their books and DVDs and military is very happy, since the ET-belief save them a lot of expenses for security measures.

    ;-))

  • With sufficient data, anything can be explained.

    What is never the case is that debunkers like yourself- though, admittedly, your hodge-podge collection of cod-psychology, name-calling and school girl real politik is especially weak, even by the standards of those whose positions you share- is that they carry out thorough research into said cases. Certainly, where this has been done and satisfactory evidence against not found, a series of logical fallicies invariably paper over the cracks.

  • williamwilson666, what do you want from me? If you agree, with sufficient data (at least most of) UAP could be explained, then I can't see a problem. Remember, humans are stupid as cows. They believe, images or radar tracks would provide them a proof. In the best case, they have a proof, something was there. To answer the what- and who-question, in vivo-investigations with multiband-spectrum analyzers, gravi- and magnotometric records, 3D-LIDAR scans, etc. were required.

    ;-))

  • Im going to assume that English is not your first language, and therefore have limited grasp of elementary linguistic truisms. For, if this is not the case, you appear little more than a simpleton, since you cannot understand the content or implications of your own comments let alone mine. If I have to spend my time explaining how language works,or how simple logistics work, before we can move on to analyse the MASSIVE quantity of available evidence, then the discussion is deeply unworthy of me.

  • williamwilson666, not the quantity of claims, popularity of a hypothesis or the strenghts of beliefs, but *ONE* single tangible proof could do it.

    If you felt, you had such an accessible, verifyable and unambigous proof, alien visitation ever took place on earth or elsewhere in our solar system, feel free to share it with us.

    Maybe it's a small step for you, but it would be a huge leap for the YT-community.

    ;-))

  • There is a wealth of evidence already available,though I can't decypher the pidgin-English of the rest of your post so that will have to remain unanswered.

    I suggest, if you are actually interested- and i doubt you are beyond ignorant adolescent cynicism- there are multifarious examples of what on balance of probability are either extra-terrestrial, dimensional or temporal craft in our atmosphere if you are willing to do some work. Research is the only remedy, I'm afraid- and that is up to you.

  • williamwilson666, somehow, you mix up things thoroughly: The link between a hypothesis (or probability, if you want) and a fact is termed proof (or evidence). As somebody, who claims or advocates a particular hypothesis, the burden of proof is on you. Until know, I've read from you an overwhelming amount of empty words - but I haven't seen yet a tangible proof for alien visitation from you. I am humble. One single proof were enough for me.

    ;-))

  • I will not engage you further as you are unable to distinguish between both evidence and proof, purely on a semantic level is sufficient to convince me your ignorance and disingenuity prohibits worthwhile discussion. I will just refer you to my original posts and ask that you- a little more honestly- comprehend both its content and implications.

    It is you, not I, that appears muddled.

    I also suggest you would do well to refer to the above and below quotes from

    lllwindrunner.

  • williamwilson666, we can change to German if you prefered it.

    However neither empty words, nor theatralic ad hominem attacks nor rhetorics can circumvent the proof (or even an evidence) with that you have to come forward, since you advocate a particular hypothesis.

    Illwindrunner is a well known missionary of the ET-cult, who litters many YT-sites with his quotes. So I don't take him for more serious than a scientology follower, who quotes from L. Ron Hubbard's 'Dianetics' book.

    ;-))

  • I cannot speak German, just as you cannot speak English. So an exchange in that language would be similairly if not more futile.

    Is there a German equivalent for the word "hypocrite"?

    I suggest you reference it then try to comperehend why the credibility of your first paragraph- feeble though it may be at best- is eviscerated by the second.

  • If you could explain HOW this video came out and is not an Internet hoax it would go a long way toward establishing its credibility.

  • Okay, if that was a real "UFO" or so you say, then how did the HUD get a lock on the bogie?

  • Why wouldn't the radar lock on dumbass?

  • Why would the "aliens" want a US issue radar locking onto them, not to mention you usualy need a heat signal. Also why would the UFO use a conventional engine if they were really aliens, don't forget that they supposedly have technology far beyond that of ours, so a conventional engine does seem a little off.

  • Infrared is not the only type of sensor used on a jet fighter. They also use RADAR. It looks like the gun camera is sensitive to IR, which makes sense, and infrared is heat sensitive, but radar works by bouncing radio signals off of an object. UFO's have been showing up on radar for years.

    Remember UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object, which is what this thing is. UFO does not mean that it is alien technology, just unidentified.

  • Well, yes this I can understand. But why is the combat HUD even on let alone radar?

  • I cannot see any reason why any radar equipped airplane would not have its radar active. Also the HUD provides info other that tactical information, such as pitch, roll and yaw rates, rate of climb, altitude, etc.

    UFO does not mean Alien.

  • Well, that's true too, I guess you win this debate, congrats. Anyway the alien part is what this video is trying to insist on, that's why I brought it up.

  • very good UFOs

  • It's probably a bug on the front of the sensor. Look at the way it slid off. Betcha if you went out to take a look at the FLIR you'd find bug guts...

  • @OtisButler why did the radar lock onto it??? come on bug guts boy

  • I'm utterly sceptic for many reasons. One: There's a million of close videos. Two: Why would a alien aircraft necessarily look like the most retarded piece of shit?

  • HAHA i love your second reason! exactly what i think

  • Every time they ran the SR-71-75s penetrators to mach 2.5 our little buddys would come take a look, scared the shit outa most, but they became familiar with them, calling them Foo Fighter's, most just balls of light, others 35ft disc's. they would come watch the old dogfights taking place in every war fought with aircraft:)

  • Nice work gentelmen ~V~ How do you think the these ifo work, scalar magnetics or some other stardrive PDWE, Wave engines would be too loud,leaving donuts on a rope chemtrail behind it, and sky quakes. The Tactical Recon-Tri Astra's are for the most part silent, they dont pull any electricity out of your car or cellphone, everything still work well, unlike are little buddys craft.

  • Click on my namefor more ufo vids.

  • exactly, FLIR helps pilots see at night instead of using those large NVGs, FLIR can be displayed in the HUD (heads-up display) and/or MFDs (multi- Funtional display), if you're a pilot you will understand

  • yeah true, but flir cant track targets, and since the tag says F-4, it must be the IR-targeting system on the F-4. Pretty spooky stuff. Ive heard this recording of a british F15 and some other airplanes which had seen a weird blip on his radar of something traveling unreal fast. Ofcourse, this video might as well be some normal plane filmed from behind.

  • Fighter Jet radar, OMG!!! looks real!

    Tx for sharing!

  • not radar, FLIR

  • wat?,in blak an wite?oh diese ufo vivs sr so unreal. just stick a coin on a glass and film it on a bad camara so it looks real.ppppsssst....

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