This became 15 years later the "Dyna-Soar" in the US, with the separating-aft housing the rocket-engine. Interesting to see how the Dyna-Soar started its career as a Luftwaffe experimental plane, originally.
About tests of the Natter, it should be remembered, from historical sources, that :
Manned flights did take place, but these were engineless glider ones from altitude and, importantly, they prove that the plane behaved well at its operational speed.
It had no ailerons, everthing was controled from the tail (differential) the wing itself was just a one piece stick.
Yes, there was then only one powered test, which turned dramatic.
In spite, operational deployment was ordered but no target...
To be copmplete, it whould be said that several powered tests did take place, but pilotless (the thing was to be remote controled after all). Many successful.
The Natter always had a black aura in the world of aviation historians, and everybody goes on saying anything. It's a symbol of the crumbling Reich and also of the SS taking charge. So...
In fact raming was not intended in the later design stages, and the front canopy separated without the pilot, then a parachute..
And they did fly sevral of them in combat, the go model,and they with drew them as they had problems with the pilots burning thus the realy fancy gray suit.
@thegafferlives German policy was to win and finish the war with existing weapons and aircraft during the early to middle stages of the war. Wonder weapons / superior armaments were delayed, funding reduced or ordered cancelled.
Although this is once AGAIN contrary to popular historical theories about Nazi designs for world conquest , the Germans prepared and planned for a short war.
A contributing issue is that certain Nazi officials became more interested in Genocide than winnning the war.
@rampking1 Its not really contary to popular opinion though is it?,yes the Germans planned on a short war in the window of opportunity between Britain and France fully re-arming it was a gamble that nearly came of but ultimately failed,it doesnt contradict Hitler thirst for military conquest .
@iroscoe If you can show me any evidence of Germany striving for world* conquest, I am willing to listen and investigate. From the beginning the Germans wanted an English or French type empire, not the world.
Up until the their defeat in the Battle of Britain, Germany was mostly replacing lost aircraft more or less on a one to one basis. Albert Speer didn't crank up a military/war economy until after 1942 and the production numbers of panzers, aircraft, etc. reflects this.
@rampking1 We may be arguing over semantics...the sort of Greater Germany Hitler craved and for a time nearly achieved would of been in the running for the sort of 'world dominance' that the USA currently enjoys,so im not suggesting the Nazis wanted a physical control over every inch of the worlds surface as it wouldn't of been strictly necessary .
I undertand they did make some manned launches after Siebert's failed attempt. They had some Natters set up but Allied troops came close to the launch site and they destroyed their aircraft.
There were several manned test flights (don't remember if they were seven as said or five as written), but Sieber's was the first and only manned vertical take off. The other test pilots were towed.
By the way, the ramming attack couldn't possibly have worked after separation. It was an early concept for an attack mode (unsure if the pilot was supposed to survive it) but was eventually ruled out in favor of rockets.
But wasnt there a second armament option? I read somewhere that instead of the R4M rickets, it could be fitted with 'clusters' of Mk 108s. Maybe that was just an idea that was never worked on.
I searched the starting-points near Kirchheim-Teck 2 years ago, and found one of the three points. You can only see a concrete slab with a quadratic hole for the start-system, but i think none Natter was ever started or brought to Kirchheim.
Only in Nabern ner Kirchheim, parts of the Natter were built.
Yes, it should be one flight on 1.3.1954 in Stetten am kalten Markt with Lothar Sieber which endet deadly for him, and one towed-flight on 14.2.1945 with Hans Zübert in his BP20 M8 Natter where a free-flight was tested.
Ja, sorry hab mich damals verschrieben.Der Erstflug war 1945 natürlich!
Near Kirchheim Teck (beside Autobahn A8), you can visit 3 starting places of the Natter, which were built in 45, but never were used for starting the Natter! I have been there just some weeks ago....
At the Heuberg, this is German Military Area today, you aren't allowed to go there without permission.
hab mir scho gedacht ich hab n buch über die natter daher hab ich des alles ich fahr demnächst ma nach stetten und will mir den absturzort anschaun ....
ja, aber wie gesagt, das ist leider auf dem Truppenübungsplatz, man darf da nicht ohne Genehmigung drauf zu der Absturzstelle, aber vielleicht gibts da Möglichkeiten mit den Verwantowrtlichen mal zu reden... ich wünsch dir auf jeden Fall viel Glück dabei! mfg
The video narrative at the end is incorrect. There was only ONE attempt at a manned test flight, NOT Seven. The one manned attempt (on March 1st 1945 by Lothar Sieber)resulted in his death and the destruction of the aircraft.
The ramming attack mentioned in the video was dropped from the plans also.
There were actually a few successful unmanned test flights prior to the disasterous manned flight. Eric Bachem the creator, would end up designing camper trailers after the war.
My sources agree with the seven manned flights statement. Of 36 complete airframes, 25 were flown (manned and unmanned) including a single B-model flight and Oberleutnant Siebert's February 28th fatal launch. 10 A-models were operationally tasked at Kircheim in April of 1945, but were destroyed on their launchers to prevent capture when Allied armored units arrived in the area.
On the other hand, the idea that the aircraft would maintain an accurate trajectory and strike a bomber after separation of the forward section is patently absurd. This was planned when the Ba 349 was to be equipped with an ejection seat.
Designer H. Bethbeder concluded this idea was impossible as the cockpit area proved too small for such a device and the aircraft was redesigned with the detachable forward section. The original Bachem ramming concept had the pilot eject and the rear section (containing the rocket motors) detach for parachute recovery.
What are your sources for these other 6 manned flights? Where were they launched from and when? The only manned test flights I have ever seen mentioned anywhere are the initial glider tests (NO rocket propulsion used) when the Natter was carried to altitude and released in the air by an HE-111 bomber.
The evidence of the 10 Natters being "operationally tasked" at Kircheim is sketchy at best.
I'd love for you to show me sources of proof of a successful manned flight by a Natter that was launched from it's tower under rocket power, reached it's operational altitude and completed it's flight plan with safe return of the pilot to the ground via parachute..
When I said "the only manned test flights I have ever seen mentioned anywhere are the initial glider tests", I mean, besides the Lothar Sieber flight. I had initially read that Lothar was killed on Feb 28th, but I've seen a video of his tombstone and it shows his death being on March 1st 1945..
this means my boy in dari
khisrow456 2 months ago
7 Test flights, they were close to production
tsns1 3 months ago
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tsns1 3 months ago
:45 the head looks like the Millinium Falcon.
godstomper 4 months ago
It did succeed, but 25 years later. Today we know it as the space shuttle.
NorceCodine 4 months ago
It's awesome how above and beyond over any nation Germans have gone. They fought till the end and never given up.
TransAmDrifter 7 months ago
Idiot Germans
MyAccount4TrollingU 8 months ago
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@MyAccount4TrollingU think of it if you die as a stupid person
Aerobix 6 months ago
ahh die schöne natta
jopollmann 8 months ago
The most mental plane ever designed.
tobias89 8 months ago
Ya know, alot of people talk about how crazy or desperate the Germans were in World War 2, but at least THEIR kamikazes were supposed to bail out!
greenseaships 10 months ago
Dear Santa.......
ZackMyslinski 11 months ago
@ZackMyslinski yeah you go enjoy fucking killing yourself in that suicidal contraption
Bobisawesome100 10 months ago
This became 15 years later the "Dyna-Soar" in the US, with the separating-aft housing the rocket-engine. Interesting to see how the Dyna-Soar started its career as a Luftwaffe experimental plane, originally.
NorceCodine 1 year ago
Just more a wwII flying Grave... Several forms of suicide...
adauto3000 1 year ago
That guy is building it in his shed
moogug 1 year ago
It is really the strangest German plane built due to desperation...
Glikodin 1 year ago
Desperation.
49bobbyk 1 year ago
The strangest "plane",ever
mateuslcr 1 year ago
@mateuslcr Its pretty much a missle with a pilot in it!
CmdrWOLF 1 year ago
About tests of the Natter, it should be remembered, from historical sources, that :
Manned flights did take place, but these were engineless glider ones from altitude and, importantly, they prove that the plane behaved well at its operational speed.
It had no ailerons, everthing was controled from the tail (differential) the wing itself was just a one piece stick.
Yes, there was then only one powered test, which turned dramatic.
In spite, operational deployment was ordered but no target...
lOmnivoreSobriquet 2 years ago
@lOmnivoreSobriquet
To be copmplete, it whould be said that several powered tests did take place, but pilotless (the thing was to be remote controled after all). Many successful.
The Natter always had a black aura in the world of aviation historians, and everybody goes on saying anything. It's a symbol of the crumbling Reich and also of the SS taking charge. So...
In fact raming was not intended in the later design stages, and the front canopy separated without the pilot, then a parachute..
lOmnivoreSobriquet 2 years ago
And they did fly sevral of them in combat, the go model,and they with drew them as they had problems with the pilots burning thus the realy fancy gray suit.
TheBattleWagon 2 years ago
How did they ever lose?
thegafferlives 2 years ago
@thegafferlives mostly because of the incompetence and/or ignorance of those in charge, believing that thay knew more than the ones who actually did.
TheSV3 1 year ago
@thegafferlives German policy was to win and finish the war with existing weapons and aircraft during the early to middle stages of the war. Wonder weapons / superior armaments were delayed, funding reduced or ordered cancelled.
Although this is once AGAIN contrary to popular historical theories about Nazi designs for world conquest , the Germans prepared and planned for a short war.
A contributing issue is that certain Nazi officials became more interested in Genocide than winnning the war.
rampking1 1 year ago
@rampking1 Its not really contary to popular opinion though is it?,yes the Germans planned on a short war in the window of opportunity between Britain and France fully re-arming it was a gamble that nearly came of but ultimately failed,it doesnt contradict Hitler thirst for military conquest .
iroscoe 1 year ago
@iroscoe If you can show me any evidence of Germany striving for world* conquest, I am willing to listen and investigate. From the beginning the Germans wanted an English or French type empire, not the world.
Up until the their defeat in the Battle of Britain, Germany was mostly replacing lost aircraft more or less on a one to one basis. Albert Speer didn't crank up a military/war economy until after 1942 and the production numbers of panzers, aircraft, etc. reflects this.
rampking1 1 year ago
@rampking1 We may be arguing over semantics...the sort of Greater Germany Hitler craved and for a time nearly achieved would of been in the running for the sort of 'world dominance' that the USA currently enjoys,so im not suggesting the Nazis wanted a physical control over every inch of the worlds surface as it wouldn't of been strictly necessary .
iroscoe 1 year ago
I undertand they did make some manned launches after Siebert's failed attempt. They had some Natters set up but Allied troops came close to the launch site and they destroyed their aircraft.
Alembic25 2 years ago
There were several manned test flights (don't remember if they were seven as said or five as written), but Sieber's was the first and only manned vertical take off. The other test pilots were towed.
By the way, the ramming attack couldn't possibly have worked after separation. It was an early concept for an attack mode (unsure if the pilot was supposed to survive it) but was eventually ruled out in favor of rockets.
0xMaster 2 years ago
I heard the plane flew only once manned and the pilot was killed but the narrator says seven times.I like learning thanks for posting this video.
yunklestiltskin 2 years ago 2
Yeah he went off and crashed, apprently the engine got set on fire. my
Airbornerock 2 years ago
as it went off the canopy did the same,killing the pilot,as far as i know
jetaddicted 2 years ago
I read that there was only one manned flight as well, and that this test flight broke the pilots neck from the G-force.
craigscott68 2 years ago
The RAF Mosqito was build as wood too......One of the fastest Bomber in WWII
actionfritz 3 years ago
it wasnt a bomber it should just make photos
sk88ball 2 years ago
it's nose was filled with rockets though...
jetaddicted 2 years ago
its name is Bachem Natter
Hohenstaufen90 3 years ago 2
very intresting plane!
Messerschmitt262a2a 3 years ago
rofl in the description box
fighterace2688 3 years ago
Great little video.
But wasnt there a second armament option? I read somewhere that instead of the R4M rickets, it could be fitted with 'clusters' of Mk 108s. Maybe that was just an idea that was never worked on.
Hanglands 3 years ago
there were r4m rockets and other air-air rockets wich were smaller
sk88ball 2 years ago
Man, it looks like a Manatee that's frozen stiff. Poor ugly thing.
bubu7774 3 years ago
Good observation!! Very funny!! I think there was no time, to refine the design a little bit...
KronprinzAdam 3 years ago
...and after the war he build ...
german Wohnwagen. (ERIBA)
mannekkenpiss 3 years ago
Where cain I download the whole video?
andresrodrigoescobar 4 years ago
Get the 5 Star Movie Saver in the Internet and you can save all Videos from Youtube.
Marbach1878 4 years ago
I searched the starting-points near Kirchheim-Teck 2 years ago, and found one of the three points. You can only see a concrete slab with a quadratic hole for the start-system, but i think none Natter was ever started or brought to Kirchheim.
Only in Nabern ner Kirchheim, parts of the Natter were built.
quarkser 4 years ago
Yes, it should be one flight on 1.3.1954 in Stetten am kalten Markt with Lothar Sieber which endet deadly for him, and one towed-flight on 14.2.1945 with Hans Zübert in his BP20 M8 Natter where a free-flight was tested.
quarkser 4 years ago
the only flight was with lothar sieber but in 1945
sk88ball 2 years ago
Ja, sorry hab mich damals verschrieben.Der Erstflug war 1945 natürlich!
Near Kirchheim Teck (beside Autobahn A8), you can visit 3 starting places of the Natter, which were built in 45, but never were used for starting the Natter! I have been there just some weeks ago....
At the Heuberg, this is German Military Area today, you aren't allowed to go there without permission.
quarkser 2 years ago
hab mir scho gedacht ich hab n buch über die natter daher hab ich des alles ich fahr demnächst ma nach stetten und will mir den absturzort anschaun ....
sk88ball 2 years ago
ja, aber wie gesagt, das ist leider auf dem Truppenübungsplatz, man darf da nicht ohne Genehmigung drauf zu der Absturzstelle, aber vielleicht gibts da Möglichkeiten mit den Verwantowrtlichen mal zu reden... ich wünsch dir auf jeden Fall viel Glück dabei! mfg
quarkser 2 years ago
The video narrative at the end is incorrect. There was only ONE attempt at a manned test flight, NOT Seven. The one manned attempt (on March 1st 1945 by Lothar Sieber)resulted in his death and the destruction of the aircraft.
The ramming attack mentioned in the video was dropped from the plans also.
There were actually a few successful unmanned test flights prior to the disasterous manned flight. Eric Bachem the creator, would end up designing camper trailers after the war.
Komet163B 5 years ago
My sources agree with the seven manned flights statement. Of 36 complete airframes, 25 were flown (manned and unmanned) including a single B-model flight and Oberleutnant Siebert's February 28th fatal launch. 10 A-models were operationally tasked at Kircheim in April of 1945, but were destroyed on their launchers to prevent capture when Allied armored units arrived in the area.
TsurugiJiri 5 years ago
On the other hand, the idea that the aircraft would maintain an accurate trajectory and strike a bomber after separation of the forward section is patently absurd. This was planned when the Ba 349 was to be equipped with an ejection seat.
TsurugiJiri 5 years ago
Designer H. Bethbeder concluded this idea was impossible as the cockpit area proved too small for such a device and the aircraft was redesigned with the detachable forward section. The original Bachem ramming concept had the pilot eject and the rear section (containing the rocket motors) detach for parachute recovery.
TsurugiJiri 5 years ago
What are your sources for these other 6 manned flights? Where were they launched from and when? The only manned test flights I have ever seen mentioned anywhere are the initial glider tests (NO rocket propulsion used) when the Natter was carried to altitude and released in the air by an HE-111 bomber.
The evidence of the 10 Natters being "operationally tasked" at Kircheim is sketchy at best.
Komet163B 5 years ago
I'd love for you to show me sources of proof of a successful manned flight by a Natter that was launched from it's tower under rocket power, reached it's operational altitude and completed it's flight plan with safe return of the pilot to the ground via parachute..
Komet163B 5 years ago
When I said "the only manned test flights I have ever seen mentioned anywhere are the initial glider tests", I mean, besides the Lothar Sieber flight. I had initially read that Lothar was killed on Feb 28th, but I've seen a video of his tombstone and it shows his death being on March 1st 1945..
Komet163B 5 years ago
That is crazeeee!
flightsuit 5 years ago