The NWO Seen Through The Perspective of Sanity part 1/2

[thecooldirtrider]

You seem to be pretty smart. I have a question , what does this quote mean ''No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." david spanger

[dsglop]

@thecool I really don't know what that means. I do know that David Spangler is mostly noted as a spiritualist from the 70s, which is when that quote is from. CTers make it sound like he is high up in the UN and this quote is proof that the UN is satanic. But his Wiki page makes no note of him working for the UN. The UN is a huge angency, and Spangler has a minor affiliation with it at best. Also, Lucifer can mean many things. Albert Pike refered to Venus as L because the word means light bearer

[Paur]

Yes, it would be nice if people stopped immediately jumping to the most negative possibility when someone says NWO. The initial idea that Bush and co. are going to state their bid to take over the world ON TV for the hell of it, as if this is an episode of GI Joe, is ridiculous in the first place.

[yerk3]

@Paur I don't think a lot of conspiracy theorists have progressed beyond that stage. Some of them probably think COBRA is an actual organization.

[Urvy1A]

I think Alex Jones watches too many WCW reruns on tape featuring the New World Order. Would this New World Order hit people with baseball bats and spray paint "nWo" on people's backs?

[drudometkin]

I like your videos. Thanks

[scatcoitus1]

you should do a video on why the bavarian illuminati were not evil either and why they dont exist any more since they were banned and their founder was exiled

[dsglop]

A user by the name of Hochdorff has done a good series on Adam Weishaupt already.

[suspendmeassholes]

It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

-Henry Kissinger

I'd like to see you squirm your way around that definition of the NWO. Explain it.

[dsglop]

I would say that that quote is bull shit. It supposedly came from a super secret Bilderburg confrence but there is no evidence for it. Sorry, but you'll have to do better than bull shit.

[suspendmeassholes]

Ok. The EU is a very good example of the agenda. People in the EU were lied to that their standard of life would improve. Many Eastern European nations did not even want to join. The people were against it and those in power did it anyway. There is a trend lately for these kind of 'unions.' You can't deny that. You just believe that it's for our good. I don't. That's the difference between us. If you provide enough evidence, you can convince me otherwise. I will be watching your stuff.

[dsglop]

Many countrie entered the EU by reforendum. And the biggest difference between us is that you believe that this is all a big conspiracy while I know that it is just the natural evalution of the economy. For more on why it is beneficial, watch my North American Union vid for an explanation. It is a deleted scene from this two part series and is a vid reasponse to part 2.

[mclovin4131]

how does alex jones lie about statements goverment officials make when she posts clips of these people SAYING this stuff ?!! out of context ? .....you are soo misinformed and closed minded !! why dont you post a video telling us the true motivation of big goverment then.....please !!

[dsglop]

LOL!The perspective that you have been shown this through suggests that they want to kill most of us and you think I'm misinformed?That is hilarious.

[AbhijatX]

Thank you man.... Its nice to hear a sane perspective on this. I'm so tired of only hearing perspectives from people who believe everything alex jones says and Jesus freeks. Seriously.. Great vid. I need sanity right now.

[careersuicide23]

According to th U.N. forcing countries to take out 30% interest rate loans, that are impossible to pay back, and forcing them funnel their loans to American corporations, so more important countries can take all of their resources whilst the children of those countries all starve to death is working together.

[dsglop]

Actually the IMF offers zero interest loans to third world.

[brukaz73]

What a brain numbing 10 mins...You have to see the big picture, not pieces to understand, but hey good try.

[dsglop]

I agree.alex jones and company are only showing small pieces of a picture and tries to make it look like some nwo group is trying to create a crazy world government but when you look at all in context you see that the whole idea is stupid because the people quoted are saying completely different things.

[Krawnikal]

David Russo.

[dollarisdead]

watch obama deception

[warlord2080]

yea a documentary that has been released 3 months after the Obama Inauguration. Alex jones that said that the government is gay when in fact there is no gay rights in the government level. same person who believe that Moloch is an owl yet he is a bull, Godess Athena is the owl. same person who said that he got info on Occult experts decrypting the words but never talks about it something a real documentary would do. Same person who doesn't need a card to show he is a NWO member for the BG.

[projekt81]

good video.

sure if you remember something from history classes you remember new world order is historical term.

i remember that one well

[dsglop]

I hope that one day truthers are tought about in history class to remind us that it is easy for people to get duped.

[Railroad1869]

Thank you for this dose of reality.  It's not warmly welcomed because it does damper some hopes that one might be part of a generation which fights against the greatest evils of all time. But, hopefully this revolutionary fervor can be focused on more humanitarian and scientific efforts.

[mtrman47]

Alex Jones didn't tell me about the NWO and the chip....the Bible did. (Rev. No one will be able to buy or sell without the mark) There will be no place to hide.

[dsglop]

And I don't care about that either.

[nekrad23]

If you talk about the Bushes, you should also mention that they've been important Hitler supporters.

And the J.D.Rockefellers III. was not just one of the major people behind the 1913 coup and, he's one of the MAJOR financiers of the Nazi regime and WW II.

Without that people, the mass slaughter on several hundred millions of innocent people couldnt have happened.

These are the *real* monsters - Hitler was just their puppet.

[dsglop]

Sorry but I have the documents jon buchannan quotes to prove Prescott was a Nazi and it turns out,surprise surprise,that jon is full of shit.I made a vid about it so I suggest you educate yourself before making such big claims.

[clancydave]

i dont know about the illuminati but its a fact that the elites want and are working towards a one world goverment. all the evidence is there if you look for it. the cfr admits it in there foreign affairs magazine, carol quigly admits it in his book tragedy and hope, paul warburg one of the creators of the cfr admits it, and the list goes on.

[dsglop]

And you don't understand wehat they are talking about.Watch part 2.

[exaqshun187]

yo ur not wrong, but ur not right

wat has history taught u man?

man is flawed, man obtains power, a thirst you can never quench.

[dsglop]

I am not sure what you are saying but I am sure that you don't know what I am saying.

[Jandlers]

""I am not sure what you are saying but I am sure that you don't know what I am saying.""

(dsglop to exaqshun187)

this is the most retarded response i've ever seen!

""Well hmm! I don't really know what you just said, but...I disagree! Hell I (dsglop) will disagree with anything because I'm GETTING PAID to shut people up about corruption and put them back to sleep!""

yup! he's getting paid! Most of you have probably seen that document by now

sincerely,

the boy who cried 'shill'..at dsglop!

[dsglop]

LOL!!

[andid]

Illuminati sounds like a bad Cirque du Soleil show.

And the N.W.O. was a group run by Hulk Hogan on WCW in the 90s.

But I have to tell you it's totally possible to have a low voice and sound nasal. Think Napoleon Dynamite. In fact, it's easier to be nasal with a low register. But don't worry about it, it's not very noticeable.

[dsglop]

Well I would call my voice more throaty than anything.I am not trying to claim that I have a beautiful voice or anything,quite the opposite in fact.I am just saying that calling me nasal is incorrect.

[andid]

Throaty and nasal is the same thing. Because the air isn't coming to the front of your mouth, some sound goes through the nose....it's a really stupid thing to know but I used to be a singer so we had to learn this shit.

And again, it's not noticeable at all.

[dsglop]

Well I stand corrected but it doesn't really matter because it is sdtill a complete non point.I get a kick out of it when these losers say things like I look or sound weird because it just shows how useless and irrelevant they are.

[chaztikov]

But then I realized I used a pint of gasoline to get there, so I chopped my hand off.

I couldn't stop feeling so awful for existing like a normal human being, I decided it was time to get the Chip, I've just taken far too much and not shown my true thanks to my wonderful leaders!

I got the implant, its ok that I don't feel love anymore, I don't deserve to.

What really matters is that I turned my whole family in for breathing too much, and now I'm helping build a great Pyramid for Dear Leader!

[dsglop]

LOL!That was silly.

[chaztikov]

I just thought I'd let dsglop know that, last night it was so damn hot out I wondered if I should just get a glass of delicious, healthy Fluoridated water (ooh that electronegativity, goes down so smooth) or if I should actually go to the beach.

I decided on the beach, and even though it was midnight, I tell ya, that water was mighty fine in the dead of winter, with all this human-caused warming we're experiencing.

[edgell911]

look first off alex jones is a jesuit mocking bird point blank ...i quit watching your video when you started talking about george bush nwo speech like bush was the first to talk about the new world order...so i hope you take your sanity theory -n- do some more research on the nwo talk cause it is clear you didnt do your research...some conspiracy person must of pissed you off cause you cant keep an open mind about things..

[meansideys]

Perspective is indeed the issue. Bush-daddy's speech isn't the only instance of people calling for a new world order or a similar phrase that means integrated worldwide system. He also definately was outlining a new system & that system is the nwo. You just don't agree that it's a problem.

[schiffhashitthefan]

its idiots like this that are the reason canada still answers to the queen and the US doesnt. please type the narration for your next video. your constant sighing and nasally voice take away from any useful information you may present. the medical world has made wonderful advances in septomology. long live the queen.

[dsglop]

Calling a guy with a deep voice nasally is retarded.Please get a clue before saying such ridiculous things like that and we answer to the Queen.Have you ever heard of nominal power?

[schiffhashitthefan]

the word nasally in no way refers to the pitch of a voice, but to the passage of air through your nose while you talk. that describes your voice perfectly. secondly, nominal power refers directly to wattage and power output, and has nothing to do with canadas "constitutional" monarchy. i'll assume you were trying to say that the queen rules canada in name only, and has no real power. who does Michaëlle Jean work directly for? bottom line, try and tell the queen she has only nominal power.

[dsglop]

Wrong on all counts.

[schiffhashitthefan]

why dont you actually look up anything i said before declaring it wrong. for your videos and responses you usually at least pretend to do some research. maybe your sunken eyes have begun pushing on your cerebrum, causing your reasoning to dissipate. your optic nerve must be touching the back of your skull. and no hat next vid, i want to see how much hair you dont have. maybe your national healthcare can squeeze you in for a hair transplant, septomology, and blepharoplasty in the year 2016.

[dsglop]

I don't have time to waste on people who claim that the Queen has anything more than nominal power.

What is really funny about you is that even though I have said many times that I don't care about meaningless insults you keep trying.

[shiverstin02]

Have you listened to Aaron Russo's interview in regards to his conversation with Nicolas Rockefeller??

what motivation would Aaron Russo of had to lie??

[dsglop]

I don't know why he lied about that or that the 16th ammendment was snuck through congress or that the supreme court ruled it illegal or that income tax is illegal.He was just a big lying douche.

[mrcuda]

Who's Pete? :P

[addict1111]

You get caught lying ones...ok, twice, ok...3 times, you start asking questions....the only logical reason for why they would keep it secret is because it is not in the interress of the people. There is a very big problem with one world economics... Just look at the FED, they control evreything. You have to admit that to much power in to few hands is not a good idea.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed

[addict1111]

Look, if there plans were so wonderful, why would it be so secretive, the only reason Alex jones and the others talk about this stuff is because there finding out things that they dont tell the public, we find out that they keep secrets, dont we have the right to know what is going on, if they would be open about it, there woudnt be any alex jones...

[dustynapalm]

ok sir i've thought of this.

i quit looking into conspiricies. now i see it as black & white.

[dsglop]

Good.

[adriabear]

The fact that you start this entire video with a "I am more sane than you" "Alex Jones is a crazy person" "View this on my more accurate and correct perspective" Shows exactly why I don't need to go through more than 2 minutes of this video.

[dsglop]

You are complaining that my mind is already made up while showing that yours is just that.The difference is that I am right and alex jones is a retard.

[wunnybabbit]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

you need to practice taking your head out of your arse

naive uninformed

ha ha ha ha ha

[flatlinejc]

Just listen to this sheep talk. It sounds like he doesn't believe what he's saying, probably just wants to believe it.

[WarDogLRS]

You sir are truly Uninformed. The entire world all conveniently crashing at the same time is that normal?.

Only a fool would ignore the truth. Alex Jones makes you think and has a good perceptive and if you don't see it it's because your mind excepts it with out question and thats a bad thing.

What you are really saying is.

Silence Freedom

Silence to dissenters

Silence the Constitution

Silence Liberty

Silence the bill of right's

Silence them so as to allow only Government

to take care of us

[gasttheplast]

R  U HI !!!!

[borat443]

THIS DUDE IS NAIVE.

[alltheotherpigs]

you work for obama!

[alltheotherpigs]

u retard....

just google "NEW WORLD ORDER" and then click on "NEWS" and u will have at you fingers tips

over 58,000 news reports saying there is a new world order coming.

just STFU u probably work for the government.

what a freaking loser,

i hope a cop bashes your head in....

[JonathanClement140]

The second you accuse someone of working for the government, you lose ALL your credibility.

[islandwide3338]

Oh, and all of the mainstream media claim that 9/11 was done by Osama bin Laden yet you fail to believe that. Come on, you're full of hypocrisy and bullshit.

[alltheotherpigs]

look tard im not the one who believes the media's lies but u do! so why are they saying new world order is here? u work for for the government

[dsglop]

I titled this vid peter schiff is a loser because I thought it would be funny to watch all the petey parrots complain about me calling a crappy economist who needs to go on the alex jones show and YouTube in general to find fans.

I was right.

[dsglop]

It should come as no surprise that the one economist who alex strongly agrees with is willing to try and find some fans on his show.And pete knows his ideas are appealling to paranoid morons so in trying to get some fans he is giving alex a false sense of credibility with his meaningless rhetoric so whether or not he believes in the nwo he is supporting the retarded idea.

[jeremyemilio]

I'm not an Alex Jones fan or an NWO conspiracist but you, sir, are a naive buffoon. Throughout your video you continually say that all anyone wants is for the nations of the world to work together. Fine. But in whose interests? These people want the world to be governed by the US, and the US to be governed by themselves. That's no conspiracy; that's what power does; that's how power works. People like Rockefeller and Kissinger are power players. You really believe they don't want it that way?

[dsglop]

And you are a deaf moron because I said at the end that Kissinger wants the States to be the leaders of the world.I also said at the beginning that the US wants their ideoligy to dominate the world.Sorry if my rather neutral esplanation of peoples believes wasn't exciting as alex jones' NWO or your favourite episode of 24 or whatever you watch.

[jeremyemilio]

As I stated above, I don't listen to Alex Jones, or any other conspiracy theorists. However, the claim that your "esplanation" is neutral is laughable. You're an apologist for power. The US wants to control geopolitics, and a few select power players want to control the US... and YOU'RE OK WITH IT. Of COURSE these guys have no intention of "micro-chipping" everyone. They don't HAVE to; they have people like YOU to defend their grasping for ever increasing power as though it were benign.

[dsglop]

No it is a neutral explanation because I do talk about them wanting power.All your assumptions regarding my believes are laughable because I am quite against giving corporations absolute power.I talk about the UN in a much more positive light so please try and be more rational and thorough when judging someone's opinions.

[rahuntrealty]

dumb vid. get a clue nwo has brainwashed you. once you grow up you may become conscious of the facts you will realize your usa constitution is in jeopardy......................­..

[islandwide3338]

What proof do you have to back up your ridiculous claim that the Constitution is in jeopardy? What kind of jeopardy is it even in? Will they suspend it? Doing that in a country like this would not be a good idea. I remember people saying that Bush was going to declare martial law in November to stop the elections and all this nonsense and guess what, he's no longer our president. So, get a life or get some evidence.

[tickhound]

After further review I have figured the video out.... The author believes that anyone "ignorant" enough to suggest that our mighty economy could tank, must therefore be a 9/11 hoaxer, anti-American or NWO freedom fighter (whether NWO is phony or alive and well is irrelevant to Peter Schiff) Peter Schiff simply tells of an impending and yes, unfortunate, doom of our financial system based on facts and trends difficult to ignore. NWO doesn't trump math. You have no business making videos.

[tickhound]

Truly a very amateur 10min history lesson completely disjunct from the title. As far as Peter Schiff? Ive been out of the market since 03/08, dumped a house while a profit was still left to be made, and gold rose $40 bucks today to close just under $900 (one day after this video posted). Our economy? Even Ray Charles can see what's in store for us. When government asks its people to borrow, spend, and dive further into debt in a futile effort to meet obligations... Its time to turn your back.

[sniper6081]

What does this have to do with economics and how does this discredit Schiff's economic predictions that have been dead on right?

[sniper6081]

Have you ever heard of Agenda 21? It's right on the UNs website. Go to the documents section and look it up. In the forty chapters of the document there is talk of depopulation and the elimination of private property. All under the authority of the UN. It's right there. Go check it out.

[FoxviewTerrace]

haha alex jones says some good stuff but im positive he working for the gov..but they are putting it in our face with alex jones..they no we really can't do shit. it goes a lot deeper than what you tried to explain in your vid. i giv you props for tryin to explain it but i think you might be biased and u seem sarcastic.

[AshillaBeige]

There should be a line of pencils dedicated to Friedman...

[kermitcintronsucks]

you don't have to kill people to install a new FREE order.

[kermitcintronsucks]

This user is a proponent of the NWO? It's a shame that he decides to go on to the dark side.

[zorbacci]

I like how this guy arrogantly assigns insane and sane charastics to people like lollypops, to discredit and credit those in the simplistic world-view he sculpts.

But Bush ran the country into the ground, so this guy is screaming in a puddle of shit he's trying to glorify, claiming it isn't there. It's so deep most won't hear his voice.

[Atom299]

I've been all through this on all sides and I agree with you about the NWO. I've already posted many comments to other videos to that effect.

However I don't really see what it's got to do with Peter Schiff. I do and have disagreed with him on a few important issues but when it comes to the fundamentals i.e. Consumption V Production he's right on the money.

There's no Keynesian way around that.

[justgetsome]

man you suck. and stop using words you don't know the meaning of.

You couldn't 'show' anyone the door loser.

[kermitcintronsucks]

The jews are trying to instill world government. Everybody knows that already.

[AshillaBeige]

Your idiocy is mind numbing.

[kermitcintronsucks]

What? They run all the banks and are responsible for 9/11

[ukjw2]

your an idiot, i dont even believe this conspiracy shit, but man get the facts str8 and stop being a fucking clown

[alexmax69]

total bs

[arnejess]

There is a NWO agenda, but Peter doesnt agree on it, so I dont know what your problem is?

[Gonzo707]

lol Have you ever actually heard/seen any of the numerous interviews where Peter Schiff is questioned about an NWO or a global banking conspiracy?

He CONSISTENTLY says that he believes these people are simply misguided, not that they are deliberately formulating a big plan or evil scheme.

Before you make a 10 video condemning people for subscribing to conspiracy theories and calling them liars, you might want to get your own facts straight and stop telling lies yourself.

[farhadcoyote]

I don't believe in any world wide conspiracy, but I like Peter Schiff. He is intelligent, and successful (therefore not a looser), and he has been right in his predictions, and simply put he makes sense. I have never heard him saying anything about the nonsense you are talking about.. You are a fucking waste of time dude. So, below is my response to your video.

[farhadcoyote]

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[Foolsaeon]

wow, I guess there are still some people (like this guy who made this movie) who don't want to wake up from the long winter sleep. I care less about Alex Jones but I don't understand why he puts Peter Schiff in this vid. I think this guy has not yet read up on Austrian Economics. Sit down and read some books before wasting your time on this senseless vid.

[raygunsben]

blow me dsglop. And please do your research before arbitrarily making a video using words as "constitute" to appear that you are this person that brings such great knowledge to us. Your confidence is ill-received.

[Jangaboo]

Peter Schiff has nothing to do with Alex Jones other than appearing on the Alex Jones show as a guest 1 or 2 times

During that Show Schiff laughed at Alex Jones whenever he mentioned the crap Alex Jones usually talks about

If you listen to Peter Schiff own radio show he doesn't even believe in half the stuff Alex Jones discusses and he himself calls those things Conspiracies

[LordVigeous666999]

Peter Schiff does not believe in NWO, Peter has said over and over again, that he does not believe in any conspiracy, he thinks these people are just very stupid

[Eggy0]

btw : on your vid title : a lot of people are starting to listen to PS now because what he has been saying in the past has turned out to be right. In comparison, snide personal comments have no credibility and seem a little pathetic.

[pugnaciousserf]

I'd much rather have Schiff's portfolio versus Mike Norman's, pull your keester our of your posterier. Lame video, lame points, lame.

[Eggy0]

You and the NWO people are both giving your interpretation of what other people 'really mean'. I wouldnt like to have to choose between those two interpretations right now, but looking at current world events I'd not be totally dismissive of the plutocratic power-grabbing ideas.

[nscipione]

Both Alex Jones and Peter Schiff agree with Friedman...how the heck did you start going off on a tangent defending him?

[StillSmallVoices]

I admit that guys like Jones are extremist, but you can't deny that facts about the federal reserve , the CFR, what the facts about what the government is doing along with England, France and Germany.

Widen your horizon sir, search for truth, not to debunk things that don't have hard proof right now.

[stewart0312]

Gold at $877. Peter Schiff right again. Your video sucks :)

[burningstar2112]

While you do have reasonable arguments within the video, I don't get the title. I'm failing to see the Peter Schiff connection here.

[DoctorJohnJGibbons]

Guilt by association

You, sir, are a philistine.

[LordVigeous666999]

yeah, guilt by association, I had that for my 2

[zzzDiamondzzz]

peter schiff doesn't support this.....listen to his radio show when conspiracy theorist call in.

[lymaeQ]

I second that statement. He just tells those people to get the hell off the line and stop wasting his airtime for that crap again, only much more politely.

But then, Peter should know all too well that about the only reason Alex keeps inviting him to his show is because it's easy for him to tweak Peter's view to support his own.

[anilomd]

Thanks for providing some alternative views in a cogent, succinct manner.

[AshillaBeige]

Ever find it funny that so many of these conspiracy nuts are all "DON'T TRUST THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA BLAAARGH!!!" and whenever you use a common FACT they just go "FKJDLSFLKDS you watch the mainstream media!!!" and yet they WORHIP Keith Olbermann. That man IS the mainstream media. Look at how biased he is and how he propagandizes everyone. The hypocrisy is just mind numbing...

[PolitikalJunkie]

Wow, you think one man "IS" [sic] the mainstream media and you're claling other people 'nuts'?

[AshillaBeige]

How is that wrong. He's the perfect representation of the mainstream media.

Only paranoid nuts and idiots (as if there's a difference...) take obvious instances of hyprbole as literal.

[PolitikalJunkie]

Someone being a representation and someone actually being something, are two different things. To say that Keith represents the MSM ignores all those who do not hold the same views as he does but can be included in the CTists "MSM": Townhall, Fox News commentators, Mark Levin, Weekly Standard, Mike Gallagher, etc.

[kilmarnock63]

Beige,

Your KO statement is fair because you qualified it appropriately. You said Olberman "IS the mainstream media", but you ALSO said "Look at how biased he is and how he propagandizes everyone." The second quote is the common denominator amongst Keith and the fools at Fox etc. It doesn't matter if they're peddling liberal shit or conservative shit, they "report" with blatent bias. Therefore, you're right, Keith IS the MSM because he embodies the "game" of American MSM reporting.

[AshillaBeige]

That.. was... my point, but thank you for picking up on my sentiment. It wasn't as clear as it could have been.

As to the Jew bit, I strongly disagree (especially with the second part). My major issue with Truthers isn't actually the blatant lack of skepticism and inability to construct a logical argument, it's the fact that they really miss the point.

Though it would be easier to lay a smack down to the neocons if one found out about an "inside job", we have a perfect opportunity to (cont'd)

[kilmarnock63]

Beige, I replied to your earlier post because P-Junkie implied it was innacurate. As I said, your statement was fair. But I have NO idea why you responded to me by talking about Jews; I never said anything about Jews! However, since YOU've brought it up, I do agree that twoofers are a distraction. Ironically, they do EXACTLY what the government wants. As Chomsky notes, the government LOVES it when "activists" waste time on futile causes that discredit other real arguments...con't

[kilmarnock63]

con't.....against government corruption and other aspects of the status quo. When people scream about inside jobby job nonsense, the spotlight gets taken off of the real instances of corruption. More importantly, twoofers taint the image of other "activists" who are trying to spread awareness about real issues. Not everybody complaining about the gov is crazy, but twoofers make it hard for the general public to distinguish between the looney tunes and the informed "activists".

[PolitikalJunkie]

No, Keith is not the whole of the mainstream media as Biege implied. Olbermann may be part of it but that is all.

If you're going to argue with me, do it directly and not by proxy.

[kilmarnock63]

1.) *eye rolls* First off, did you only read the one post in which I mention your name, or did you read all three posts I made? My initial reply to Beige pointed out that I thought she qualified her cliam appropriately. You came up when I was clarifying why I was replying to her. But there are other posts that explained why I thought her claim was fair. Yes, I disagree with you. I think you were interpreting things too literally, and just looking for reasons to argue with Beige. Con't in #2

[PolitikalJunkie]

Re: 1.)

You act as if I shought out Beige just to argue with that user. She could have said it a hundred different ways, but the method she used caused me to disagree with her. Her attempts to smooth over her point was not as good as your attempt, which does lend more credbility to her claim.

[kilmarnock63]

#2 When you first started arguing with Beige, YOU made the case that the MSM is comprised of more VIEWS than Olbermann espouses. However, that was OBVIOUSLY not her point. She was referring to the STYLE and METHODOLOGY of the MSM, not the political views. That is born out in the second part of Beige's initial statement. You know, the statement in which she refers to "bias" and "propagandizing". By raising those points, she was highlighting the common denominator amongst Fox and MSNBC. see #3

[PolitikalJunkie]

Re; #2

The political view had everything to do with her point, as KO's 'bias' commentary is used by those who attempt to sway political opinions about the so-called NWO by what he reports on, i.e. poltics.

[kilmarnock63]

#3 You can't properly understand her point about the "IS", without also taking into consideration her comments about Keith being bias and propaganzing everyone. I think her statement could have been phrased better, I'd agree with you on that, but Beige still made a lot of sense. The American MSM outlets are bias, and they use sensational tactics in order to increase ratings. Again, that's the common denominator she is referring to, NOT Keith's political views. Get it yet? see #4

[PolitikalJunkie]

Re: #3

I don't understand what you mean when you say 'propaganzing everyone [sic]'. That phrase doesn't make sense to me. It can't NOT be political if the very subject that KO is propagandizing is political in itself. I can see the larger picture of Beige and yourself coming into focus, however.

[kilmarnock63]

#4 PJ, for someone who writes so well, you have a surprising amount of difficulty ascertaining what other people are trying to communicate. Seriously, this isn't the first time, bro. You pulled this garbage with Slimebuster. One of two things happened in these incidents. Either you genuinely didn't know what Beige and Slime were saying, or you were aware of the other possible interpretations but ignored them in favor of picking fights. So which is it? Is it the former or the latter? see #5

[kilmarnock63]

#5 If it is the former, then that is ironic on a couple of levels. First, because you act like you're smarter than everyone. Second, because you're commenting on a video about different perspectives. LOL If it's the latter, then I'm even more annoyed. You know, I find it telling that you replied to me by using the term "argue", rather than "disagree". Perhaps I disagreed with you, without wanting to argue? Well, you wanted an argument, so I guess you got one now, eh?

[PolitikalJunkie]

I do not 'act like [I'm] smarter than everyone else'. That's a shitty attack and something I'd expect at a Gamefaqs forum user.

One definition of argue, according to Merriam-Webster, is "to contend or disagree in words"; that is to dispute what I was saying. Words have more than one meaning, you know.

[kilmarnock63]

#6 I have several comments to make, so I suggest we move this to a PM soon. But for now, I will concede a point. When I brought up disagree vs. argue, I wasn't as clear as I could have been. What I was suggesting was that I initially disagreed with you, but had no interest in engaging in an argument with you. I was just telling Beige that I agreed with her. Whereas you used the word argue, which implied that you wanted to debate the issue or "disagree in words". That was my point.

[PolitikalJunkie]

I think the issue has been resolved for the most part.

[kilmarnock63]

7# If you truly did not understand Beige and Slime, than I am completely out of line for making accusations. Sorry. However, bear in mind, what they were saying made sense to not only me, but others as well. Thus, I was baffled when you had a problem with their statements. Since you are smart, it seemed more logical that you were picking a fight, rather than not understanding them, especially since others understood their remarks. I was not the only one who understood Beige and Slime.

[PolitikalJunkie]

Who else understood Beige? I can see where you'd make that comment about Slime, but no one -aside from us- replied one way or the other to Beige's statement.

[kilmarnock63]

PJ, go to page 3 of the comments, DS said this to Beige:

"Yeah I got what you were saying the first time and I thought it was a good point. Whether or not you like Keith many of them do love him and he is biased. And they only love him even though it goes against their general mainstream media hatred because he says things that agree with them in an extremely vague way."

See, bias is the MSM common denominator, and truthers are hypocrites for not acknowledging that Keith is mainstream.

[PolitikalJunkie]

When I read that it was disconnected from Beige's original comment.

I hate YouTube's coding. With a passion.

[kilmarnock63]

PJ, that's fair enough, the coding may have made it difficult for you to figure out who was replying. But now that you've seen that comment, you probably have a better sense of why I thought you were picking a fight, and why I initially had no interest in debating this issue. Yes, Beige could have phrased things better, we agree on that, but her overall point wasn't that drastic. Since you are intelligent, I honestly thought you were nitpicking, rather than simply being confused by her claim.

[PolitikalJunkie]

I really thought she was referring to Keith just to vent about her beliefs regarding his politics.

[kilmarnock63]

Ok, let's just try to remember this incident so something similar doesn't happen in the future. For my part, I will refrain from making unfounded accusations, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in situations like this. However, if I disagree with you on something, don't assume it's always worthy of debate. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, my agreement with Beige was a really minor issue. You and I are aligned on most of the major issues that matter.

[PolitikalJunkie]

Your accusations were based on the legitiimate belief that I was either A) honestly misunderstanding Beige's point or B) Trying to pick a fight with Beige. Nothing 'unfounded' about them.

[kilmarnock63]

I was referring to my accusation that you thought you were smarter than everyone. Based on premise B), that accusation was not "unfounded" today. However, it was still incorrect. So what I was saying is, in the future, I will refrain from accusing you of trying to show people up, because premise B) was proven invalid today. Therefore, that type of accusation would be "unfounded" in the future. You trying to point out why my accusations were not unfounded is a little strange. LOL

[PolitikalJunkie]

Ah, that 'accusation'. I see now, lawlz.

[PolitikalJunkie]

Slime was a completely different incident as my snarky rejoinder was not fully understood. I was genuinely asking why we should discount the beliefs amongst a few 9/11 vicitim families regarding a new investigation and some who favor the continued operation of Gitmo. I was wrong but the resulting attacks against me was unwarranted.

[dsglop]

Yeah I got what you were saying the first time and thought it was a good point.Whether or not you like Keith many of them do love him and he is biased.And they only love him even though it goes against their general mainstream media hatred because he says things that agree with them in an extremely vague way.

[AshillaBeige]

... do something anyway against all corrupt government. The Declaration of Independance orders the people to overturn the sitting government if it isn't upholding the Constitution. I'm sure you're aware.

I'm a classical liberal, so you probably know my position of government's role. We hate the government yet refuse to rule with a liberated fist. They're OUR employees. You agree?

The whole Jew thing is a distraction and unjustified. The problem is much larger than zionism: it's a whole mindset.

[2TheDeath]

Hard, dull facts are too boring for conspiratards. More fun to invent giant paranoid fantasies and rave about them to your friends.

[larma7]

What's with the title??? lol