@NedMcPhie I see the problem - YouTube changed their text protocols so that the end parentheses are no longer read in a hyperlink...duh! Also, every URL of IMSLP linking to an individual work now ends with an end parenthesis. I've updated the text so that it links to the composer pages (and then you can look up the manuals alphabetically), but this is pretty silly of both YouTube and IMSLP.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge of these orchestration manuals. They'll be a good next step after my rather basic orchestration book from college.
You mentioned that some of these books were obsolete in places. Does that have to do with the transition from older instruments such as the serpent to our modern counterparts, less-drastic changes and improvements in construction, or other factors? I'd like to have a way to tell which advice is still applicable and which has gone by the wayside.
@gentrytunes Areas of obsolescence: range and construction of instruments; technical limitations; wind key systems, especially as applied to shakes and trills; brass valve and trigger developments; overall viewpoint and philosophy; some notation rules for winds and brass; inclusion of outdated instruments; blind spots for authors in the music of other countries current to first publication; and other details.
If your college book was too basic, get the Adler next. These books are no substitute.
Thank you for all these great videos you do, it really helps a lot. If you ever have the time one day, could you do one on how to copyright your works?
Aw, man! I bought all these books over the years. I only found your You Tube page today. Oh well, thanks for all you are doing. I look forward to watching your vids and learning a lot. :) I believe I'm a pretty good composer, I just know that my orchestration is not as "good" as it should be. Onward...
@composingchef Good on you for buying the books! Dover is a righteous reprint company, and they could use the support. But not only that, you can thumb through the books rather than fiddling around with a screen. I own all of these myself, and prefer hard copy - but how nice that the starving composer-in-training does not have to give up eating lunch for a day in order to read one of these tomes. See you on the next video!
I understand your point. Thanks for your answer. Translate the Koechlin's would a very big challenge. Surely you know the text of William Lovelock "The elements of orchestral arrangement", recently I made a spanish version. It deserves to be reprinted.
O para decirlo mejor en español. Me parecen excelentes sus videos, una pequeña observación, debería mencionar a Koechlin, aunque no esté en inglés. Es un tratado muy importante que comprende aspectos que no se encuentran en otros tratados. Quizás estimule a la gente de lengua inglesa a buscar el libro en las bibliotecas de los conservatorios. Felicitaciones por su trabajo. Disfruto mucho sus videos y me parece una muy generosa iniciativa.
@axellidenbrock Gracias por tu comentario. I have great respect and appreciation for the music and musicians of Venezuela. I understand your question - and if I had the time, the skills, and a publisher, I would translate the Koechlin myself. It stands equal to any other orchestration text, and has many unique features. Please understand - we who teach orchestration all know about this book, and we use many of its teachings, even if we are not able to assign it due to the language barrier.
@axellidenbrock Most American orchestration teachers, including myself, are fully aware of this book, and copies are in many conservatory libraries. Unfortunately, there is no English translation yet, and it is very expensive to purchase and import. Think of the practicalities - you are asking why a four-volume, exhaustive treatise is not well read in a country which speaks little French, and to which many shorter books in English are not just available, but assigned at university. That is why.
Hello Thomas, thank you very much to share your time and knowledge! I'm bass player and I compose for my jazz band here in Colombia. I'm from Switzerland but I live in Bogotá. I'm very interest to learn about orchestration and to write films scores. I think I've seen all your videos. Is this one the last? I'm looking for amore technical part of orchestration. I've been trying to by the Adler book but they don't send it to Colombia! Maby you have an idea how can I get it? My regards.Nathalie.
@ChiZ712 : Yes Mastroe Adler's manual does touch on it a little. I had the fortune to meet him back 1996 and even then he emphasized the need for further explorartion in this area. not so much rock band + orchestra ( as they have such a different reality) but amplifying other aspects of sound i.e. contact mics, treating instruments with fx combining performance with samples in the way another generation used tape.
@tonyvoid All due respect to Prof. Adler, I think it would take a whole separate book to cover the craft of crossover orchestration. I'll be making a series on this soon - have been delaying while awaiting approval on a project which could be incorporated as part of the series.
Most of these links aren't working anymore :(
NedMcPhie 7 months ago 2
@NedMcPhie Thanks for the heads-up, I will check these out and update soon.
OrchestrationOnline 7 months ago
@NedMcPhie I see the problem - YouTube changed their text protocols so that the end parentheses are no longer read in a hyperlink...duh! Also, every URL of IMSLP linking to an individual work now ends with an end parenthesis. I've updated the text so that it links to the composer pages (and then you can look up the manuals alphabetically), but this is pretty silly of both YouTube and IMSLP.
OrchestrationOnline 6 months ago
Thanks for sharing your knowledge of these orchestration manuals. They'll be a good next step after my rather basic orchestration book from college.
You mentioned that some of these books were obsolete in places. Does that have to do with the transition from older instruments such as the serpent to our modern counterparts, less-drastic changes and improvements in construction, or other factors? I'd like to have a way to tell which advice is still applicable and which has gone by the wayside.
gentrytunes 11 months ago
@gentrytunes Areas of obsolescence: range and construction of instruments; technical limitations; wind key systems, especially as applied to shakes and trills; brass valve and trigger developments; overall viewpoint and philosophy; some notation rules for winds and brass; inclusion of outdated instruments; blind spots for authors in the music of other countries current to first publication; and other details.
If your college book was too basic, get the Adler next. These books are no substitute.
OrchestrationOnline 11 months ago
Thank you for all these great videos you do, it really helps a lot. If you ever have the time one day, could you do one on how to copyright your works?
Hauris 11 months ago
Aw, man! I bought all these books over the years. I only found your You Tube page today. Oh well, thanks for all you are doing. I look forward to watching your vids and learning a lot. :) I believe I'm a pretty good composer, I just know that my orchestration is not as "good" as it should be. Onward...
composingchef 1 year ago
@composingchef Good on you for buying the books! Dover is a righteous reprint company, and they could use the support. But not only that, you can thumb through the books rather than fiddling around with a screen. I own all of these myself, and prefer hard copy - but how nice that the starving composer-in-training does not have to give up eating lunch for a day in order to read one of these tomes. See you on the next video!
OrchestrationOnline 1 year ago
I understand your point. Thanks for your answer. Translate the Koechlin's would a very big challenge. Surely you know the text of William Lovelock "The elements of orchestral arrangement", recently I made a spanish version. It deserves to be reprinted.
axellidenbrock 1 year ago
@axellidenbrock
this is amazing you translated it!!!
tonytrilex 1 month ago
O para decirlo mejor en español. Me parecen excelentes sus videos, una pequeña observación, debería mencionar a Koechlin, aunque no esté en inglés. Es un tratado muy importante que comprende aspectos que no se encuentran en otros tratados. Quizás estimule a la gente de lengua inglesa a buscar el libro en las bibliotecas de los conservatorios. Felicitaciones por su trabajo. Disfruto mucho sus videos y me parece una muy generosa iniciativa.
axellidenbrock 1 year ago
@axellidenbrock Gracias por tu comentario. I have great respect and appreciation for the music and musicians of Venezuela. I understand your question - and if I had the time, the skills, and a publisher, I would translate the Koechlin myself. It stands equal to any other orchestration text, and has many unique features. Please understand - we who teach orchestration all know about this book, and we use many of its teachings, even if we are not able to assign it due to the language barrier.
OrchestrationOnline 1 year ago
@axellidenbrock Most American orchestration teachers, including myself, are fully aware of this book, and copies are in many conservatory libraries. Unfortunately, there is no English translation yet, and it is very expensive to purchase and import. Think of the practicalities - you are asking why a four-volume, exhaustive treatise is not well read in a country which speaks little French, and to which many shorter books in English are not just available, but assigned at university. That is why.
OrchestrationOnline 1 year ago
Thank you for the time and the effort that has gone into this video. It is much appreciated and I'm sure everyone else feels the same way. :) thanks.
johnyprestige 1 year ago
Hello Thomas, thank you very much to share your time and knowledge! I'm bass player and I compose for my jazz band here in Colombia. I'm from Switzerland but I live in Bogotá. I'm very interest to learn about orchestration and to write films scores. I think I've seen all your videos. Is this one the last? I'm looking for amore technical part of orchestration. I've been trying to by the Adler book but they don't send it to Colombia! Maby you have an idea how can I get it? My regards.Nathalie.
gamperin 1 year ago
@ChiZ712 : Yes Mastroe Adler's manual does touch on it a little. I had the fortune to meet him back 1996 and even then he emphasized the need for further explorartion in this area. not so much rock band + orchestra ( as they have such a different reality) but amplifying other aspects of sound i.e. contact mics, treating instruments with fx combining performance with samples in the way another generation used tape.
tonyvoid 1 year ago
@tonyvoid All due respect to Prof. Adler, I think it would take a whole separate book to cover the craft of crossover orchestration. I'll be making a series on this soon - have been delaying while awaiting approval on a project which could be incorporated as part of the series.
OrchestrationOnline 1 year ago
Awesome!
M0rganstudios 1 year ago
a great gift! thanks soo much for making this video!
Thediegmyster 1 year ago
Great, Wonderful Material to Study from, thanks.
MarkoRuzinOfficial 1 year ago
I wonder if anyone will tackle the subject of electronic or amplified instruments in orchestal arrangements in a future orchestration manuel.
tonyvoid 1 year ago
@tonyvoid samuel adler briefly discussed the synthesizer in his manual, and it's a matter of time before the electric guitar is put into a book.
ChiZ712 1 year ago
Hey Thomas, what kind of monitor are you using? The vertical one, I mean.
miiwiiplay 1 year ago
Thanks for going over these texts briefly- I might come back to them once I've finished reading my Adler book on orchestration. Thanks again!
Composer1992 1 year ago