PT2 of 7 Reply to 10q for screwed people - Blaming Parents

[Courage78]

Epic fail.

You do assume to know why God does as he does.

Because you assume that they must have done something wrong to starve.

I reckon Job would have something to say about that.

[returnthesoapbox]

For some of the stuff it is apparent.

As far as Job, one must accept that Job is really a book of the bible and if you use the tests for idetifying whether there is a prophet writing it, it fails.

God has Deut 13 for testing if people love him. Why would he be making bets and injuring someone who loves him and someone he loves by repaying good with evil? Because of Satan's doubt?

Not likely. The story is a fraud and the starving people are not Job.

[NibbitsForLife]

In fact, not only did you create the conditions for this to happen... Since this specific angel is a creation of yours, you also created the way this angel makes decisions. You put the angel in a place where he would experience and learn in a matter, and in a way of YOUR PREDETERMINED choice.

Now.. this is just one issue.. I'm not going into the part where jahweh sends egyptions on dead horses racing after the jews.. That's not only contradictional, it's just scary...

[returnthesoapbox]

God did send the egyptians to their death. Everyday people are sent to their death and yes, God's evil is scary.

"If you do evil God will set you aside for evil" This si what the bible states. You see this in the news headlines everyday. You see it in the Jeffery Dahmers and Cho's of the world.

I suggest you finish watching my video series because I think you are not clear as to what page I am on. Jesus is a punsiher not a savior. God sent Satan. Satan inflicts God's punishment.

[NibbitsForLife]

And suffering because he loves you... Well, that's always better than because he hates you isn't it..

[returnthesoapbox]

God is not about making you suffer because of love for him. Jesus is a punisher of the people who follow him. Jesus came to collect the sinner only. He states he is here to burn up the chaf and bring war on these people and the world.

They were tested by Jesus to see if they loved the true God and instead these people proved to loved a false man god, namely Jesus himself. Read Deut13 and dwell on it. It should all come clear why Jesus causes suffering to the people who incorrctly worship him.

[lotanddaughters]

The bible is the explanation? Good informational material does not contradict itself, ramble on and on about useless information, contain wacky bullshit stories, need a bunch of crazy motherfuckers to explain it (all differently), nor does it make the author seem like some fucking lunatic asshole.

[returnthesoapbox]

"Good informational material does not contradict itself, ramble on and on about useless information...."

I agree! The fact is man corrupted the good information. So will you take the time to sort it out?

[lotanddaughters]

Muslims believe that Allah gave them the quran because the old and new testaments were corrupted by man. Their outlook is just as foolish as YOURS. The SIMPLE truth is that a smart and fair god would make "his word" uncorruptible. His word would also be complete and perfect from the beginning of its existence. If the message of the new testament is so important, then why did god come out with it hundreds of years AFTER Genesis. When you realize that it was written by idiots, it all makes sense.

[returnthesoapbox]

You make a point but you haven't thought it through. Why would God make a law in Deut that states you cannot add a word or subtract a word if the law could not be broken?

I agree that somewhere in the books and the methods provided in them that a person of integrity could sort them out.

"perfect from the beginning of its existence" This is incorrect. The words were not delivered at the beggining of existance. The news testament is the false prophet and forbidden additions. See video 5.

[NibbitsForLife]

Heheh, my bad with the posts I couldn't find :'), I was too quick for my own good.

[NibbitsForLife]

"Certainly God has no requirement other than those he puts on himself to answer to "demands" by anyone especially those he hates. "

So now god all of a sudden hates. Lets go step by step here. In the beginning, the alpowerful and almighty 'He' created everything, he noticed it was all good, then one of his creations got bad on him, which he didn't like and which was appearently 'good' since he noticed that very clearly in the beginning, and then he hates it. Don't you think thats just childish?

[NibbitsForLife]

I did a reaction on this video a while ago, but it's deleted I guess.. Can't find it anymore (??) so here's whats been said:

"No one should make or expect God to make excuses." I don't 'make god' to make excuses (what a weird sentence?) and I don't expect god to make exuces. I remember this fairytale where he blesses some family forever, and then comes back on his promise because he doesn't like something for some reason.

[Hierophant2]

Well at least you have something right. The Jesus prophesies are odd. A fictional character that fails to fulfill every single stinking prophecy he is said to fulfill. Every prophecy has a screw up somewhere. The prophecy screw ups are one of a few types or of several types ie. Past Expiration date, Wasn't a prophecy to begin with, Cross translation errors, Subtle prophecy changes, incomplete fulfillment, Out of context prophecies, etc.

[returnthesoapbox]

Kepp checking and you'll find I have the rest of it right too. The world is full of proofs.

[lowpockets]

god is imaginary, so I don't expect him to make excuses at all. You can fight the truth all you want in this life, and after that it won't matter, you'll be dead. I'll admit, the thought of an eternal life in a beautiful place is luring, but it's not real, and no matter how much faith you put into it, that isn't going to change. You can choose to enjoy life and be a good person, or you can continue being a blind christian with unwarranted pity for people that aren't as delusional as you.

[returnthesoapbox]

Think about your science. Atoms are whiling energy. You are a mini fusion organic being. But what is that organic but whirling invisible energy.

If beings can be energy-based and not limited to organic or decaying structures, eternal life can be possible.

[lowpockets]

and three days later it starts moving north. Bringing longer days, summer, warmth.The light of the world, the savior of mankind, the SUN. The same sun thet pagans worshiped before the christians stole their holiday and called it christmas before killing of the pagans. ...how christ-like. Well, in all sincerity, it is christ like.

[returnthesoapbox]

The sun can also kill you. Jesus however did not come to bring a light of salvation, rather to test and he clearly states he came to bring war. If it is a light, it is a death light.

[wtf379]

We say he does acts of righteousness and judgement, because that is what we assume it is. We cannot speak for our God, like I said, and like what is mentioned in the video. jUst like someone cant speak on your behalf. You could, you know, pray to God to answer your questions, but because your so hateful you probably wont get an answer. Tell me, why do you rquire everything to have an answer? Why cant you just shut up, leave everything be, and let the world work?

[returnthesoapbox]

If you read the bible, the prophets state God is righteous.

[wtf379]

That statement, science was around thousands of years before the bible was, sounds like utter crap. Ok then, scientists. Tell me, what is science? Is it like your own religion? Your study of how things should work according to your assumptions? Thats not how the world works. Because until you explain to me why you wouldnt hurt a little child or kill a kitten due ot moralization, you cannot prove everything scientifically. If you watched the entire vid, we cannot speak for our God. {Continued}

[returnthesoapbox]

You mention morality but you ignore the mosters that do these sort of things. You fail to niotice the FBI profile that these types are almost always "religious". They say they are Jesus.

Jeffrey Dahmer was the son of a cooky creationist Christian. Blessing are for 1000 generations. Curses 3 & 4

He blamed his athiesm for his lack of morality, but in truth he was driven by some unknow freakish desire as a child. Only when he started going to church with Grandma, did he start mass murdering.

[wtf379]

What I mean is the sins of your past life are the curses you have now. Ever shoplift in a store and get caught? If you go to the sotre again, you will be either supervised closely or thrown out because you shoplifted before. Same applies to having a new life. No, I dont mean you die and are born again instantly. I mean you die, wait, and slowly but surely, through events of many people. come back to the world again, as a child, to have another chance at fulfilling your lifes purpose.{Continued}

[returnthesoapbox]

Concentrate on this life. Chose life. Are you not surrounded by symblos of death that you chose?

Is not a cross a death penalty device. Is not a dead man - dead. Is not living for the after life, the same thing egyptians did who worshipped from the book of the dead. Is not praying to dead saints and dead parents- afterlife worshipping of the dead.

Open your eyes. Chose again.

[wtf379]

Nibbits and lowpockets, you fail to understand that not everything from God is punishment. Things like starvation are either punishment, or tests. Tests that test a persons faith. If you give up, you lose. Have you also ever head the concept of a human soul, the very one that gives us feeling and morality? Would you kill a little kittne for no reason? No, because you have some decency in you. This very soul, your own unique one, like a fingerprint, moves from many bodies.{Continued in next post}

[returnthesoapbox]

God has curses too. It even states in the curses that people will muster their strength to continue their rebelion until they are utterly destroyed. Jesus by no means matches Messiah prophecy and in no ways is built on the Old Testament.

It is a fabrication. Show me one messiah prophecy that matches.

[lowpockets]

"scientists that haven't done their research ...but I did my research, it's right here in the bible" -one important thing about "research" is the source of information, your 1600 year old plagiarized book about a fictional character is hardly a legitimate source of "research".

[returnthesoapbox]

That is where you're wrong. You assume because it is old it is inaccurate.

The truth is that the bible disclosed many things before science did.

The bible states that man is made of earthly materials. The bible tells of travelers coming from the sky and we now travel ourselves going out that same door.

The bible tells of multiple planets (seven heavens earth being one of them).

The bible tells of a planet destroyed by waters. Mars is now being discovery as a once flooded planet. Etc.

[lowpockets]

Oh. Sorry, um ...which version of the bible are you using? I'd just like to reference those verses but I'm not sure which bible you're reading from. You'd think that an all powerful god could at least keep his story straight, but I guess we'll just bounce from copy to copy finding the stuff that suits us. Hell if that doesn't work we can always interpret it differently, right? Genesis maybe? ...oh, never mind that might be over your head. Why would anyone want alter the meaning of that one?

[lowpockets]

Science was around thousands of years before the bible. The bible disclosed nothing original, and nothing inspired of a god.

[returnthesoapbox]

That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

The bible was not a book about inspiration? It was not about what God told Moses? LOL

What science book was written before the bible?

[lowpockets]

What science book was written before the bible? You're an idiot. There was about a thousand civilizations prior to the bible many of which very in tune with science and LOGIC. Shang dynasty,Egyptians,Greeks, Romans,Sinics,Sumerians. All of which very intune with science and are responsible for how advanced we are today. There isn't even proof that the bible was even around 1600 years ago. This was supposed to be the greatest man that ever lived and the only record of his

[lowpockets]

life shows up 500 years after he died? Come on. god told moses absolutely nothing. He didn't exist. The story of your jesus is a stolen story passed down from civilization to civilization. It was the personification of the events in the sky. You are worshiping nothing more than the SUN, not the "son" of god. jesus didn't die on the cross to be resurrected three days later, the SUN stops moving south while it is in the Crux constellation (a cross, formed by stars)

[returnthesoapbox]

I don't believe Jesus is god. Paganism exists. What is your point?

Before you criticize you should watch all the videos especially #5.

[returnthesoapbox]

" very in tune with scienc"

Lame silver tongue lies. "Science" not "in-tune with science". Monkeys are in-tune with science when they used rocks to crack nuts?

Get real.

[returnthesoapbox]

Think about what your saying about the copies. What do we know about mankind.

A superior being would know that it would be corrupted so there must be a way to trim out the lies.

Only one book is true and there is only one way to find that, love, honesty and truth.

[lowpockets]

...I love how he starts of by contradicting himself and manages to drag it through the duration of the video. Nice excuse for starvation, "gods law is that the sins of the father are the sins of the next 3 or 4 generations". Really, this sounds like a great religion, how do I join? Where do I leave my brain when I sign up?

[returnthesoapbox]

"? Where do I leave my brain when I sign up?"

You have to have one first.

Please spell out the counterdiction if your going to make a claim. Also support how it is a counterdiction in scientific terms.

[lowpockets]

Sorry, did you say that I needed a brain, and then misspell contradiction twice within a 2 sentence response? Classy.

[returnthesoapbox]

Oh you got me on a spelling. I guess everything else in the world evaporated. zzzzzzzzzzzz!

So what was the counterdiction or are you that insecure as to make claims you can't backup. (That's three mispellings)

[lowpockets]

Your video starts by saying that no one makes excuses for god. Throughout your entire video you make excuses for god. Now don't come back and say that your just reading what he said in the bible. First off, the bible is crap with hardly a shred of truth. And second, you're giving it your own interpretation -again making excuses for god. If god had a problem with my preaching, he'd put a stop to it. Instead he's ensuring that I live a very comfortable life spreading the truth -that he's a farce.

[returnthesoapbox]

Would you like that I talk to God about the grace you have been recieveing and ask him to revoke it? You seem to be upset that the ax hasn't fallen on you yet.

I agree that most of the bible is crap. The entire NT can be throw away and most of the Old Testament too. Deuteronomy is the most important book and the only one written in the first person by Moses.

[lowpockets]

Yes, please ask god to smite me.

It's good to see that you have some of your wits about you. but still, you assume that moses exsisted.

But now that you and I have established that we think a good chunk of the bible is worthy of a recycling bin; What is wrong with taking the good morals and standards laid out in the bible and applying it to our lives without a mythological deity? What's wrong with being a good person because you think it's the right thing to do, rather than out of fear?

[returnthesoapbox]

I asked him.

There is nothing moral about spitting in the face of the one that gave you everything and can give you so much more.

There is nothing moral in chosing a curse for yourself and your society.

Most people haven't the foggiest clue what good is. This is why so many "good" people are suffering curses. Have U heard the phrase "only the good die young". There is a curse that says God will take your best and you brightest.

If you chose this for the children? R U moral?

[lowpockets]

Still waiting for the smites I have in store. If the raise I just got 15 minutes ago was the smite, ask him to smite me harder.

But back to reality here. The fact that people are still suffering, starving, or being bombarded by natural disasters has less to do with an imaginary god, and more to do with the fact that they haven't done anything to change their environment. These people are not sinners being punished by a man in the sky.

[returnthesoapbox]

Let us know how you make out this week.

[lowpockets]

Tired and busy. Sorry if I'm not meeting my post quota. I contribute to society for a living, I don't leach off of other peoples income telling them it's going to god's purpose, while feeding them lies. You know, honest money, honest work. ..well maybe you don't know.

[returnthesoapbox]

Yes it is true alll religions do that. If they didn't tell lies it would be better.

I work for a living, this is not a source of income for me.

[returnthesoapbox]

You need to undertsand the meaning of an excuse.

If a person sticks their hand in a grinder and loses it and someone asks what excuse did the grinder have for doing that, it would be comparable to the claim I am making up excuses.

The whole concept of an excuse for God is that God is given an exemption from judgement and rules. If God is acting in accordance to the laws he has agreed to follow, then an excuse is not needed.

God righteously does what he said he would.

[NibbitsForLife]

Your not using science, why should he?? lol.

[Hierophant2]

And I thought Pat Robertson was bad.

[returnthesoapbox]

..don't worry he still is. ..and get stuffed.

[NibbitsForLife]

In my last post I suggest you believe in hel, and that's because you're so fond of the old testament, so I think I might satisfy in my presumption on that. If you don't believe in hel, please put me right. But from the things you have told me about yourself, through your faith, I think you might be a person, fond on revenge ('rightiousness', in your gods words) I don't think I'm wrong.

Also, you presumption that there is a god and such, logical facts are automagicaly devine actions.

[returnthesoapbox]

Logical facts may or maynot be devine actions. Much of what happens does serve the devine good and evil within the plan template laid out by the bible.

Is it a devine action when a sequence of unikely events happen and a plane falls from the sky. Is it a devine action that before the plane crashes in the swamp a baby is sucked out the window and lands at high speed unscathed in a marsh land.

Is it a devine action that if I put my hand in a grinder I lose it. Free will and running systems?!

[NibbitsForLife]

Devine actions are all in the eye of the beholder. If I would suggest the pink unicorn and the flying theepot are arguing about terrictory, and therefore created pictured figments 'allah' and 'jahweh' and put them in the heads of people, how are you going to prove me wrong? If you can do this, you will automaticaly provide yourself with the reasoning and evidence why your own god is just as much of a figment as the flying theepot. Therefore, I wish you the very best of luck doing so.

[NibbitsForLife]

Now to jump from one subject to the next. Inherit sin brings me to the subject of being created in the likeness of god. A person is created by god, the looks, body odeur, haircolour, hobbies, playing chess, jiu shin kai karate, swimming, but also the way a person annalyses things, and in the extention of that, makes decisions. Now, in the extention of thát, god creates people who he manufactured to choose to go to hel. I wonder how you would rationalize this to sell me your faith.

[returnthesoapbox]

I am not with the Cristian religion view point of hell.

Every behavioral scientist is familiar with postive and negative conditioning. We do much the same with software. If you do something wrong a Pavlov sound beeps and a nasty prompt conditions you to not leave a field blank.

God creates "blessings" and "curses" to condition some of the "manufactured" to pass QA. To learn to love God. The whole OT is a plan of upgrading the people who pass the tests.

[NibbitsForLife]

Very nice. Christians at least have a purpose for suffering. So you just say god created everything, then it was ok, then it wasn't all of a sudden because of some angel he made to dislike him which he then turned into a snake, and because of this event, which he didn't like too much, people all of a sudden acted against his will, in this creation he noticed was 'good', so he drowned everybody, hunted a few people through some desert, made war, etc etc. just for fun? Man.. *turns red of shame*..

[returnthesoapbox]

The snake of Gan Eden didn't betray God, Adam and Eve did.

That sin was paid for by the curses. One curse was lifted after the flood.

You don't know enough about the Old Testament to really argue it.

[returnthesoapbox]

"he snake of Gan Eden didn't betray God,"

I take that back. He did and that is why he was cursed also.

[NibbitsForLife]

heheh lol =')

So God created something which turned against him.

Does that suffice as an epic fail or doesn't it??

[returnthesoapbox]

"epic fail" The idea of postive and negative reward systems is imbedded design.

That single lesson is learned by billions and billions of people over the centuries.

The failure of something given free will to fail is part of the overall design.

In fact Moses predcited the nation would indeed fail and they would be humilited for their choice of chose death when peoples epic failure was exposed.

Jesus is that epic fail as he said he came to kill those who followed him..

[NibbitsForLife]

There isn't very much to argue about.. it's a bit of a sad and silly story which doesn't make sence and that's about all there is.

Btw, if you decide that the snake didn't betray God than this only adds up to the fact that god wanted adam and eve to disobey. They really never had a real choice in the first place. But that's all part of the story isn't it =)

Have fun with it.

[returnthesoapbox]

NibbitsForLife did it ever occur to you that this life you experience is nothing more than an extension of that lesson.

The tree of knowlege beared that looked good, tasted good, and offered wisdom and knowlege, yet all that belief in knowledge and all that understanding of evil and good is what our societies suffer with this very day.

In the quest of Eve to be like Gods, we entered into a hell on earth where we all can experience evil curses of God first hand. One hell of an edcuation.

[NibbitsForLife]

No it didn't because I don't look at life through religious but practical eyes. So it did ocur to me that you are not a pragmatist or a practical person...

If you're god and you create something which goes bad you can't just say 'oh well look I gave it free choice so, not my bad'. The thing with creating EVERYTHING is that you dicate EVERYTHING. If you create an angel which decides to turn against you, you created the conditions for that choice to be made.

[returnthesoapbox]

"You dictate EVERYTHING"

No not really. The ideas of christianity that Satan battles God is fanatasy.

However, God did not set mankind in motion and leave failure on the table. The reality that I am trying to show you is that the positive and negative rewards not only exist, but that we as a society are living in a declining perpetual state of chosing the negative rewards.

Sooner or later people will wake up.

[NibbitsForLife]

So, I followed your rationalization of, we have a nice word for that in dutch 'erfzonde', sin passed from parent to child, litteraly translated 'inherit-sin'. You compare genetic deficiency from which a mental problem derives, with sin, and also with a bad upbringing. Of course, these three things are very different and while you try to bridge the likenesses of these subjects a smart person would also consider, together with the likenesses, the differences.

[returnthesoapbox]

All other forms of passed undesirables are ok with you, but if God designed you this way, you are bothered. Why is the orgin of such design a sticking point for you?

If you swapped the name God for scientific animal traininer and imagine us as an experiment by superior beings, does that make you consider the possibility you were created in the same manner we create genitic mutations with our infantile science. We have only been at it for a few decades. What will be in 1000 years?

[NibbitsForLife]

It's not a sticking point for me because it isn't real. I just asked you to also

concider the differences. 'Sin' is an emotional/theological 'appointment' (dutch,

don't know the right word, not 'explenation, because it doesn't explain anything,

just within the borders of it's own religious context), while for example the

down syndrome is a DNA deficiency and the only way YOU can glue them together

is by sticking every piece of existence under the concept of 'god'.

[NibbitsForLife]

The problem with the excuse you give for god in this example, the problem of regional femin, is probably because you still try to make an excuse, for god. And it doesn't matter in which way you do this. Femin is explained in a simple logical manner. It ocures when you have a place which is deprived of means to obtain food, with allot of people who may have no knowledge of how to grow or get (enough) food from a place within a reasonable distance.

[returnthesoapbox]

How many days have you gone without food. Are you familiar with the dust bowl history.

If you think about the world as random according to the most prevalant atheist perceptions, then certainly there is an unexplained imbalance in why you have always been able to grab a bite. Certainly there should be random days when events do not permit you food.

God has been carrying your ass, that's why.

[NibbitsForLife]

I think it's funny how you bridge random with atheism. I never bridged 'religion' with 'purpose' before. No, wait. When I was a child, I was brainwashed to do so, but now I'm a free mind, I know 'purpose' is human, as human as god, and that the way of 'reason and consequence' is a more mature way of looking at life and the universe.

The god in the bible (and every other god) exists only as a pictured figment in a book which was written a couple of thousands of years ago.

[NibbitsForLife]

Not everybody makes excuses for god? Mozes was the only one entitled to then? I read other 'profets' do it. Believers seem to have a hand of following their example and so inteligent design came to be. Stop trying to rationalize your rationalization of your faith =P lol. Oh and the reason nobody is making excuses for the things you do, in this context, is that you're not a god, but something real, and so people don't believe in you, but trust in you as a person.

[returnthesoapbox]

Moses never made excuses for God. Moses simply gave the people what God told him to.

No one should make or expect God to make excuses. There is a pecking order and one does not barge into the office of a mafia king pin and demand an answer. Certainly God has no requirement other than those he puts on himself to answer to "demands" by anyone especially those he hates.

[onotheo]

Oh yes, Phail. Weak arguments. lol

[returnthesoapbox]

Why the LOL. Seems like nervous laughter. You really don't know anything about the bible do you? Phail back at you.

[onotheo]

Hmm ... true. Compared to others who have memorized chapters of the bible, even as an ex-seminarian ex-catholic who used to read the bible every day, I still don't know much. There are many other books I'm more interested with.

[returnthesoapbox]

The fact that you did not discover Jesus was the punisher and false prophet of deut 13 only shows that your reading comprehension sucks.

I mean really, how could you not notice that Jesus did not match a single prophecy of the Messiah or that he said himself he was not the messiah?

How could you miss so much and still speak on the subject? How could you make a career out of learning additions to Torah when Moses forbids it? Didn't it strike you as odd - all the excuse making?

[Smoove7182954]

u arent answering his questions ur just dissing them

FAIL

[returnthesoapbox]

BS.

What question did I not answer?

[JustATrick]

u should rename it 10 Questions Answered for Atheists or sumthing - God Bless

[returnthesoapbox]

Thanks for the suggestion, but if you look at the number 5 video you will see something you will never learn in church.

That video and my playlist gives insight into why the title is what its is. Your own favorites shows several screwed people.

It is time we wake up and push back from the table that feed us lies.