Even though I disagree politcally, god damn, you make some great points. I hate when people blame Bush for everything, and I'm glad there are some smart liberals like yourself out there. I also totally agree that the parties are too "us against them". I'm a republican, but I don't believe in religion, support gay rights, and have a few other "liberal" tendencies. Fortunately, my generation of republicans seems a bit more open so hopefully we will have good candidates some day.
I dont get why you dont like (that much) Obama. He is pulling the troups out of iraq-and said he would get us out of afganistan-he also pushed for Healthcare reform. Furthermore, Bin Laden was hunted down and killled--oh and the waterbording thing has stopped. Basically these were all campian promisses and he delivered. BTW some reasons why people are so partisan -the media trives on contoversy-poeple dont think they just repeat what they hear in the media. Also the "moderates" R gone
I don't *dislike* him, but I don't think that he fights hard enough. He's made WAY too many concessions to the Republicans- not compromise. I don't think that he's a terrible President, but he gives up on certain things that he shouldn't.
What amazes me is people still think politicians will do what they said they would do during their campaigns...hilarious. All politicians, Democrat or Republican all fall in line with the American Empire/Agenda once elected. I honestly believe they have no choice. The president has no power.
I see your points. However, I won't be able to vote until 2016, when the next presidential race goes on. See, back when Kerry an Bush were running, my first grade class did a mock election. And looking back on it, I'm like really? When the kids are getting their ideas of Bush through their parents? But I lived in a really hickish part of Pennsylvania and that may have had some effect on it. Personally, I think Gore was the better candidate in 2000, but that's just my opinion.
Also, you bring up good observations about how when people bash Liberals, then it's no big deal. I mean, really have you seen the shit that's on this site lately? I mean look up a YouTube user by the name of DCCRA, think that's what its called, and you'll see what I mean. What I don't get is, how people who are extreme conservatives can bash the left-wing, and then think that all of their current candidates are actually intelligent and then blame the left for their mistakes.
Good point. I really wish the Republican party was good like it was back in like the 50s and earlier than that. But Obama's STU address was pretty impressive, in my opinion. I think Obama has a lot of potential and a lot of good ideas, but, like you said, his balls need to grow. He DID promise to get us out of Iraq, which was a promise he kept. Also, he kept the auto industry from going under and bailed out the banks, thus preventing even further economic troubles.
I think Obama's done some good things, and personally, I like him. However, I agree with you abaddon, that he does compromise too much with the Tea Party. I'm pretty sure that's where you're coming from. You do raise some good points as to why Obama isn't the best president we've ever had. However, I do like him. Even though he's passed things like NDAA, which sorta makes me lose respect for him, though. By the way, that was one funny-as-hell ending:)
Don't get me wrong: I do like the guy, but his balls need to grow. He tries too hard to compromise with idiots who won't budge. Had Republicans actually elected some better people, I think that the compromises would have been better.
by the way, this reminds me, Israel needs to be a jewish state because during ww2 , hitler teamed up with the muslims, and the jews had no country to defend themselves.
Well the problem with the Jewish people is that they had no state for a long time. They (up until recently) admitted that they killed Christ (by their laws, he was a false prophet), so they were an easy scape goat. What fucks me up is the fact that Germany had an easy side the blame for the embarrassment of WW1: The allies.
heh on the screwed up signs, while nothing violent, me and my dad walked past occupy victoria and they had a ton of signs up about chem trails and so on heh.
@wolfwing1 Your numbers are off because you create a false dichomotmy where a politician is either corrupt or cowardly. A politician can be both corrupt and cowardly.
I would calculate that the republicans are 99.9999% corrupt with only Ron Paul as the exception (I'm not a Ron Paul supporter btw) and the dems are 98% corrupt.
As far as cowardly I tend to think it is us the voters who are the cowards. We INSIST on remaining trapped in the false illusion of choice between 2 corrupt parties.
Also to elaborate on the neccessity of voting 3rd party. Voting 3rd party is a neccessary step towards building an actual viable alternative to our 1-party-with-2-heads corporatist democrapublican party.
It's not an immediate fix. Our system is far too broken for any immediate fixes. It's a long term solution.
That being said I still believe in the voting for democrats IN THE PRIMARIES to try and overturn any and all corrupt incumbents and if not successful then voting 3rd party.
The problem is that we've almost always been a two party system. We've had a couple of third parties that had people elected, but we've basically fucked ourselves. I agree with you that we need to fix the system. It's pathetic that we have essentially 2 people to vote for. It sucks. But I'll say this: I would much rather Obama (whom I'm not entirely against) win rather than ANY of the Republican candidates.
@abaddon5 "I would much rather Obama (whom I'm not entirely against) win rather than ANY of the Republican candidates."
hmm... interesting. I disagree. I see obama as EXACTLY the same as any of the republicans. The only thing different about him in my perception is the lies he tells us his base. He tells liberal-sounding-lies. While the reps tell the righties a bunch of different lies. In the end they'll both do EXACTLY what they're told by the banks, lobbyists and military industrial complex.
@abaddon5 also (sorry for posting so much but you're interesting to debate) I would argue that obama being president is actually worse for us liberals.
And here's why: Because he ALWAYS gives in to republicans (it's almost as if he agrees with them! it's weird!) and then takes the blame for perpetuating their failed policies, liberals end up taking the blame for bush policies because liberals defend and minimize barry's capitulations (not all liberals but the huffpo crowd of obamabots).
First off, I wouldn't call this a "debate" as much as I would call it an interesting conversation. Second, feel free to post as much as you want. You're not being a dick about anything.
It's hard to argue with the logic on that point. He's trying to be TOO liberal by giving the other side a chance when they don't have shit to say.
I don't understand why you think you have to vote for obama. You don't. There is more than 2 parties in this country and frankly the reason why feel you have to stay within the lines of this 2 party false dichotomy is a result of brainwashing & propaganda. Bandwagon and the Lesser of 2 Evils propaganda to be specific.
You aren't doing anything good for our country if you insist on repeating the same mistakes because everyone else is and doing otherwise is "throwing your vote away"<-- Bandwagon!
Unfortunately, it IS throwing your vote away voting for a third party. They don't have enough money to campaign and even if they did get a decent amount of support, people just won't vote for them (Nader and Perot are good examples). We're just a two party system, and I think the only way to change it is to be able to have multiple candidates of the same party running.
@abaddon5 NO it's not throwing away your vote. Everything in your reply is outright propaganda. Look up Bandwagon propaganda if you doubt me.
Your vote counts just as much for 3rd party candidate as it does for a dem or rep. It counts for one vote. That's all.
"people just won't vote for them" yes and did you ever ask yourself why? Could it be because people like you continually say that doing so is "throwing away your vote". It's a self-fullfilling prophesy abaddon. A trap of propaganda.
No, it's not propaganda. Unfortunately, this country became a strictly two-party system long ago. I would have LOVED to vote for Nader, but that would have put one less vote for Obama on the board. Republicans will ONLY vote Republican (for the most part). Democrats are much more open to voting for someone else outside their party.
@abaddon5 Dude you asserting repeatedly that it is not propaganda does not make the fact that it is false. I mean cmon man I've told you exactly which propaganda types it is.
It IS Bandwagon and Lesser of 2 Evils propaganda.
They are common propaganda techniques and they have both been in use (along with others) for a very long time in our country but that doesn't make voting based on them anymore of a correct choice. It just makes you another lemming charging head first off the cliff face.
@WhirlingWolves ... and to continue... If you or I or anyone keeps repeating the same mistakes of the past simple because "well that's just how it been for a long time" when there is nothing, repeat NOTHING, stopping us from actual doing something different, such as the patient and hard work of building a viable 3rd party to this corrupt corporate nightmare then who is really to blame?
it's REAL fucking easy to blame others. Not so easy to blame ourselves. We get the government we deserve.
The problem is that the "Hollywood elite" tried to get people to vote for Nader, and it didn't work for multiple reasons. The easiest way to fix this is by reforming how elections are run (the way that the UK does- public funding).
@abaddon5 I'm all for public funding of elections. It's part of the reason I can't be a Ron Paul supporter. His view that politicians just won't take money and be influenced is fucking borderline retarded.
However if we actually want to affect a positive change in the world I think it is very foolish if we don't try EVERYTHING. So we need public campaign reform but we also need to fight for change from within the parties through primaries and pressure from outside the parties by 3rd parties.
You know, this comment really makes me want to do a video on that topic. I might later, but anyway:
The problem is that too many third parties exist. There are far too many to get on one ballot, let alone for us to be able to research them, campaign for them, and get them on the ballot. If certain parties combined their resources, it would make things easier.
My first point is that it's not always a question of lesser of two evils. I wouldn't call Obama "evil", but Gingrich and Romney (in my opinion) are. No one will ever find a candidate that perfectly suits them. I thought that the closest people to me in policy were Clinton, Edwards, and Clark. That being said, I just wished that Obama were more like Clinton part deux.
@abaddon5 Well the Lesser of 2 Evils is propaganda technique. It is very common and in widespread use this election cycle already. No one has be to "evil" for it to work. "Evil" can be understood to mean against your interests as a voter. You're picking a representative that you know won't represent you but won't be as bad (you hope) as the other choice.
But do you see what just happened there? In the end you just got tricked into voting against your own interests! It's a fear based trap.
@WhirlingWolves The Lesser of 2 Evils is especially bad now that we live in a country that is a usurped democracy.
Because both parties are utterly corrupt what constitutes the equation of which is the "lesser" of the 2 evils can always be framed so that the answer is in compliance with the agenda of the banks, lobbyists, and military industrial complex.
I mean look at us! We're picking between a bank-loving war-mongering 'democrat' who continued bush policies and in-fucking-sane republicans!
The only thing I'll disagree with you here is on the war-mongering thing. I don't Obama as a war-monger. He's at least willing to talk with people (unlike former Presidents that I won't name...).
In all honesty, I don't think that Obama is against my interests as a whole. While I think that certain things should happen, I know that he as President can't make them happen. Just like I didn't agree with everything Clinton did, I doubt I'll ever find a candidate that truly works for our self interests as working class people (fuck the rich).
@abaddon5 Well I was refering to how the democrats will never stand up for anything, alot of it is corruption, but alot of it is also cowardess, as soon as the republicans fight back they back down without even trying.
haha! Stupid right wingers crying like a bunch of little bitches about being called teabaggers. Tough shit. Get a helmet if you want to throw the mud around. Besides the Teabaggers WAS their orginal name. They changed it to the Tea Party after they figured out what teabagging meant.
Furthermore I've been called a commie many times in the last few years and for the most retarded reasons, such as I believe in public not privatized fire departments. So FUCK them if they don't being called nazis.
you really dont present a good argument at all. You react to the fake paradigm they create for you. dont think the talking heads on tv represent what people really think.
Search for ron pauls speeches and reasons why people are supporting him.
judge obama on his record, not his fake words. NDAA? "peace" president?
obama won because he was black and people who are racist voted for him, because he was black. it swings both ways.
democrats and republicans are both empire-builders.
Second, fuck Ron Paul. I'm tired of people acting as if he would somehow fix everything in this country. While some of his ideas are good, some of them are absolutely batshit crazy. Then again, I really don't think you paid much attention to the video or possibly didn't finish watching it.
@abaddon5 actually i saw your entire rant. you really dont give off anything positive. what is the difference between you ranting against "republicans" using the tv dolls like ann coultier or w/e that bitches name is. she is ment to divert attention.
most people want the same crap, but we are directed by different parts of society and we get presented as a part of a paradigm.
luckily i dont linve in your corrupt ass country, but their murderous actions hurt my personal friends.
Okay, didn't you see that I was trying to convey the message that we should be more positive? Instead of arguing over who the bigger asshole is, let's discuss our beliefs. Also, didn't I say that Coulter is being left behind by most Republicans? Yes, but she still considers herself part of the right.
See, we're in that classic "conspiracy theory" world now. :) What you have are people put into positions of power to break down the system that we thought worked for us so well. Everything we've been taught in school is revisionist history. The Education Act of '54 saw to it that books were taken out of publication with the truth by Ruppert Murdoch being in charge of the publishing company. We're being swindled by bastards that care nothing for what we think or do. They just want control.
@chop98 Want to know the truth? Can you handle it? Your mission, if you choose to accept it- read: Lies My Teacher Told Me, Major General Smedley Butler's War Is A Racket, and William Blum's Killing Hope.
I read this several years ago and see it now coming to pass. Like a bad bowel movement, it is the result of Communist tactics breaking down our "faith" in a representative government. Tptb want people so disenfranchised that they either just continue to pick the lesser of two evils or simply break out into violence. Either way... they win. Nazi is a combination of National Socialist and Zionists. It is not what we have been taught throughout history. Taxes? They go straight to the Queen.
Great Victoria Jackson voice btw! I agree with you 100% that demonizing opponents is getting us nowhere and sadly both parties have been hijacked since Clinton, the Republicans by the neo-cons and tea party and the Democrats by the so called 'progressives.' I think that a lot of the problems began with the 2000 election since it was such a mess.
Of the Republican field I am currently supporting Newt since he was a big part of the 90's collaboration with Clinton.
I don't want to unite this country because we have differences of opinion and we have to grit our teeth and bear shit decisions made by the government if we are going to live in a democratic republic. I really think making such a government accountable is important but even then I know that the government is going to go against me but that's fine.
Even though I disagree politcally, god damn, you make some great points. I hate when people blame Bush for everything, and I'm glad there are some smart liberals like yourself out there. I also totally agree that the parties are too "us against them". I'm a republican, but I don't believe in religion, support gay rights, and have a few other "liberal" tendencies. Fortunately, my generation of republicans seems a bit more open so hopefully we will have good candidates some day.
NothingSpecialMusic1 3 weeks ago
I dont get why you dont like (that much) Obama. He is pulling the troups out of iraq-and said he would get us out of afganistan-he also pushed for Healthcare reform. Furthermore, Bin Laden was hunted down and killled--oh and the waterbording thing has stopped. Basically these were all campian promisses and he delivered. BTW some reasons why people are so partisan -the media trives on contoversy-poeple dont think they just repeat what they hear in the media. Also the "moderates" R gone
ScrapGoldBass 3 weeks ago
@ScrapGoldBass
I don't *dislike* him, but I don't think that he fights hard enough. He's made WAY too many concessions to the Republicans- not compromise. I don't think that he's a terrible President, but he gives up on certain things that he shouldn't.
abaddon5 3 weeks ago
What amazes me is people still think politicians will do what they said they would do during their campaigns...hilarious. All politicians, Democrat or Republican all fall in line with the American Empire/Agenda once elected. I honestly believe they have no choice. The president has no power.
Shoregrey 3 weeks ago
It puzzels me that anyone will call leftwing people nazis.? Don´t those idiots know that nazis are rightwing-extremists?
kirafan68 1 month ago
@abaddon5
I see your points. However, I won't be able to vote until 2016, when the next presidential race goes on. See, back when Kerry an Bush were running, my first grade class did a mock election. And looking back on it, I'm like really? When the kids are getting their ideas of Bush through their parents? But I lived in a really hickish part of Pennsylvania and that may have had some effect on it. Personally, I think Gore was the better candidate in 2000, but that's just my opinion.
MrThereptilian96 1 month ago
@abaddon5
Also, you bring up good observations about how when people bash Liberals, then it's no big deal. I mean, really have you seen the shit that's on this site lately? I mean look up a YouTube user by the name of DCCRA, think that's what its called, and you'll see what I mean. What I don't get is, how people who are extreme conservatives can bash the left-wing, and then think that all of their current candidates are actually intelligent and then blame the left for their mistakes.
MrThereptilian96 1 month ago
@abaddon5
Good point. I really wish the Republican party was good like it was back in like the 50s and earlier than that. But Obama's STU address was pretty impressive, in my opinion. I think Obama has a lot of potential and a lot of good ideas, but, like you said, his balls need to grow. He DID promise to get us out of Iraq, which was a promise he kept. Also, he kept the auto industry from going under and bailed out the banks, thus preventing even further economic troubles.
MrThereptilian96 1 month ago
I think Obama's done some good things, and personally, I like him. However, I agree with you abaddon, that he does compromise too much with the Tea Party. I'm pretty sure that's where you're coming from. You do raise some good points as to why Obama isn't the best president we've ever had. However, I do like him. Even though he's passed things like NDAA, which sorta makes me lose respect for him, though. By the way, that was one funny-as-hell ending:)
MrThereptilian96 1 month ago
@MrThereptilian96
Don't get me wrong: I do like the guy, but his balls need to grow. He tries too hard to compromise with idiots who won't budge. Had Republicans actually elected some better people, I think that the compromises would have been better.
abaddon5 1 month ago
Raising taxes is better then putting it on the unlimited credit limit credit card the white house has.
flammamancer 1 month ago
by the way, this reminds me, Israel needs to be a jewish state because during ww2 , hitler teamed up with the muslims, and the jews had no country to defend themselves.
RayWilliamJohansen 1 month ago
@RayWilliamJohansen
Well the problem with the Jewish people is that they had no state for a long time. They (up until recently) admitted that they killed Christ (by their laws, he was a false prophet), so they were an easy scape goat. What fucks me up is the fact that Germany had an easy side the blame for the embarrassment of WW1: The allies.
abaddon5 1 month ago
I HATE IT WHEN people compare someone they disagree with to hitler, ANYONE who uses it is a fucking moron.
RayWilliamJohansen 1 month ago
heh on the screwed up signs, while nothing violent, me and my dad walked past occupy victoria and they had a ton of signs up about chem trails and so on heh.
wolfwing1 1 month ago
problem with americans is you get republicans 80% corrupt, 20% cowardly, democrats, 40% corrupt, 60% cowardly.
wolfwing1 1 month ago
@wolfwing1 Your numbers are off because you create a false dichomotmy where a politician is either corrupt or cowardly. A politician can be both corrupt and cowardly.
I would calculate that the republicans are 99.9999% corrupt with only Ron Paul as the exception (I'm not a Ron Paul supporter btw) and the dems are 98% corrupt.
As far as cowardly I tend to think it is us the voters who are the cowards. We INSIST on remaining trapped in the false illusion of choice between 2 corrupt parties.
WhirlingWolves 1 month ago
Also to elaborate on the neccessity of voting 3rd party. Voting 3rd party is a neccessary step towards building an actual viable alternative to our 1-party-with-2-heads corporatist democrapublican party.
It's not an immediate fix. Our system is far too broken for any immediate fixes. It's a long term solution.
That being said I still believe in the voting for democrats IN THE PRIMARIES to try and overturn any and all corrupt incumbents and if not successful then voting 3rd party.
WhirlingWolves 1 month ago
@WhirlingWolves
The problem is that we've almost always been a two party system. We've had a couple of third parties that had people elected, but we've basically fucked ourselves. I agree with you that we need to fix the system. It's pathetic that we have essentially 2 people to vote for. It sucks. But I'll say this: I would much rather Obama (whom I'm not entirely against) win rather than ANY of the Republican candidates.
abaddon5 1 month ago
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@abaddon5 "I would much rather Obama (whom I'm not entirely against) win rather than ANY of the Republican candidates."
hmm... interesting. I disagree. I see obama as EXACTLY the same as any of the republicans. The only thing different about him in my perception is the lies he tells us his base. He tells liberal-sounding-lies. While the reps tell the righties a bunch of different lies. In the end they'll both do EXACTLY what they're told by the banks, lobbyists and military industrial complex.
WhirlingWolves 1 month ago
@abaddon5 also (sorry for posting so much but you're interesting to debate) I would argue that obama being president is actually worse for us liberals.
And here's why: Because he ALWAYS gives in to republicans (it's almost as if he agrees with them! it's weird!) and then takes the blame for perpetuating their failed policies, liberals end up taking the blame for bush policies because liberals defend and minimize barry's capitulations (not all liberals but the huffpo crowd of obamabots).
WhirlingWolves 1 month ago
@WhirlingWolves
First off, I wouldn't call this a "debate" as much as I would call it an interesting conversation. Second, feel free to post as much as you want. You're not being a dick about anything.
It's hard to argue with the logic on that point. He's trying to be TOO liberal by giving the other side a chance when they don't have shit to say.
abaddon5 1 month ago
I don't understand why you think you have to vote for obama. You don't. There is more than 2 parties in this country and frankly the reason why feel you have to stay within the lines of this 2 party false dichotomy is a result of brainwashing & propaganda. Bandwagon and the Lesser of 2 Evils propaganda to be specific.
You aren't doing anything good for our country if you insist on repeating the same mistakes because everyone else is and doing otherwise is "throwing your vote away"<-- Bandwagon!
WhirlingWolves 1 month ago
@WhirlingWolves
Unfortunately, it IS throwing your vote away voting for a third party. They don't have enough money to campaign and even if they did get a decent amount of support, people just won't vote for them (Nader and Perot are good examples). We're just a two party system, and I think the only way to change it is to be able to have multiple candidates of the same party running.
abaddon5 1 month ago
@abaddon5 NO it's not throwing away your vote. Everything in your reply is outright propaganda. Look up Bandwagon propaganda if you doubt me.
Your vote counts just as much for 3rd party candidate as it does for a dem or rep. It counts for one vote. That's all.
"people just won't vote for them" yes and did you ever ask yourself why? Could it be because people like you continually say that doing so is "throwing away your vote". It's a self-fullfilling prophesy abaddon. A trap of propaganda.
WhirlingWolves 1 month ago
@WhirlingWolves
No, it's not propaganda. Unfortunately, this country became a strictly two-party system long ago. I would have LOVED to vote for Nader, but that would have put one less vote for Obama on the board. Republicans will ONLY vote Republican (for the most part). Democrats are much more open to voting for someone else outside their party.
abaddon5 1 month ago
@abaddon5 Dude you asserting repeatedly that it is not propaganda does not make the fact that it is false. I mean cmon man I've told you exactly which propaganda types it is.
It IS Bandwagon and Lesser of 2 Evils propaganda.
They are common propaganda techniques and they have both been in use (along with others) for a very long time in our country but that doesn't make voting based on them anymore of a correct choice. It just makes you another lemming charging head first off the cliff face.
WhirlingWolves 1 month ago
@WhirlingWolves ... and to continue... If you or I or anyone keeps repeating the same mistakes of the past simple because "well that's just how it been for a long time" when there is nothing, repeat NOTHING, stopping us from actual doing something different, such as the patient and hard work of building a viable 3rd party to this corrupt corporate nightmare then who is really to blame?
it's REAL fucking easy to blame others. Not so easy to blame ourselves. We get the government we deserve.
WhirlingWolves 1 month ago
@WhirlingWolves
The problem is that the "Hollywood elite" tried to get people to vote for Nader, and it didn't work for multiple reasons. The easiest way to fix this is by reforming how elections are run (the way that the UK does- public funding).
abaddon5 1 month ago
@abaddon5 I'm all for public funding of elections. It's part of the reason I can't be a Ron Paul supporter. His view that politicians just won't take money and be influenced is fucking borderline retarded.
However if we actually want to affect a positive change in the world I think it is very foolish if we don't try EVERYTHING. So we need public campaign reform but we also need to fight for change from within the parties through primaries and pressure from outside the parties by 3rd parties.
WhirlingWolves 4 weeks ago
@WhirlingWolves
You know, this comment really makes me want to do a video on that topic. I might later, but anyway:
The problem is that too many third parties exist. There are far too many to get on one ballot, let alone for us to be able to research them, campaign for them, and get them on the ballot. If certain parties combined their resources, it would make things easier.
abaddon5 4 weeks ago
@WhirlingWolves
My first point is that it's not always a question of lesser of two evils. I wouldn't call Obama "evil", but Gingrich and Romney (in my opinion) are. No one will ever find a candidate that perfectly suits them. I thought that the closest people to me in policy were Clinton, Edwards, and Clark. That being said, I just wished that Obama were more like Clinton part deux.
abaddon5 1 month ago
@abaddon5 Well the Lesser of 2 Evils is propaganda technique. It is very common and in widespread use this election cycle already. No one has be to "evil" for it to work. "Evil" can be understood to mean against your interests as a voter. You're picking a representative that you know won't represent you but won't be as bad (you hope) as the other choice.
But do you see what just happened there? In the end you just got tricked into voting against your own interests! It's a fear based trap.
WhirlingWolves 4 weeks ago
@WhirlingWolves The Lesser of 2 Evils is especially bad now that we live in a country that is a usurped democracy.
Because both parties are utterly corrupt what constitutes the equation of which is the "lesser" of the 2 evils can always be framed so that the answer is in compliance with the agenda of the banks, lobbyists, and military industrial complex.
I mean look at us! We're picking between a bank-loving war-mongering 'democrat' who continued bush policies and in-fucking-sane republicans!
WhirlingWolves 4 weeks ago
@WhirlingWolves
The only thing I'll disagree with you here is on the war-mongering thing. I don't Obama as a war-monger. He's at least willing to talk with people (unlike former Presidents that I won't name...).
abaddon5 4 weeks ago
@WhirlingWolves
In all honesty, I don't think that Obama is against my interests as a whole. While I think that certain things should happen, I know that he as President can't make them happen. Just like I didn't agree with everything Clinton did, I doubt I'll ever find a candidate that truly works for our self interests as working class people (fuck the rich).
abaddon5 4 weeks ago
@abaddon5 Well I was refering to how the democrats will never stand up for anything, alot of it is corruption, but alot of it is also cowardess, as soon as the republicans fight back they back down without even trying.
wolfwing1 1 month ago
haha! Stupid right wingers crying like a bunch of little bitches about being called teabaggers. Tough shit. Get a helmet if you want to throw the mud around. Besides the Teabaggers WAS their orginal name. They changed it to the Tea Party after they figured out what teabagging meant.
Furthermore I've been called a commie many times in the last few years and for the most retarded reasons, such as I believe in public not privatized fire departments. So FUCK them if they don't being called nazis.
WhirlingWolves 1 month ago
Bush & Hitler? LMAO Some of Bush's speeches used parts from Hitler's speeches.. as in copied, word for word....
nightmathzombieethan 1 month ago
I think you really nailed it....the more you know how this country REALLY works, the more pissed of you get.
nightmathzombieethan 1 month ago
you really dont present a good argument at all. You react to the fake paradigm they create for you. dont think the talking heads on tv represent what people really think.
Search for ron pauls speeches and reasons why people are supporting him.
judge obama on his record, not his fake words. NDAA? "peace" president?
obama won because he was black and people who are racist voted for him, because he was black. it swings both ways.
democrats and republicans are both empire-builders.
br0dskalk 1 month ago
@br0dskalk
First off, who did I mention from TV?
Second, fuck Ron Paul. I'm tired of people acting as if he would somehow fix everything in this country. While some of his ideas are good, some of them are absolutely batshit crazy. Then again, I really don't think you paid much attention to the video or possibly didn't finish watching it.
abaddon5 1 month ago
@abaddon5 actually i saw your entire rant. you really dont give off anything positive. what is the difference between you ranting against "republicans" using the tv dolls like ann coultier or w/e that bitches name is. she is ment to divert attention.
most people want the same crap, but we are directed by different parts of society and we get presented as a part of a paradigm.
luckily i dont linve in your corrupt ass country, but their murderous actions hurt my personal friends.
br0dskalk 1 month ago
@br0dskalk
Okay, didn't you see that I was trying to convey the message that we should be more positive? Instead of arguing over who the bigger asshole is, let's discuss our beliefs. Also, didn't I say that Coulter is being left behind by most Republicans? Yes, but she still considers herself part of the right.
abaddon5 1 month ago
See, we're in that classic "conspiracy theory" world now. :) What you have are people put into positions of power to break down the system that we thought worked for us so well. Everything we've been taught in school is revisionist history. The Education Act of '54 saw to it that books were taken out of publication with the truth by Ruppert Murdoch being in charge of the publishing company. We're being swindled by bastards that care nothing for what we think or do. They just want control.
chop98 1 month ago 2
@chop98 Want to know the truth? Can you handle it? Your mission, if you choose to accept it- read: Lies My Teacher Told Me, Major General Smedley Butler's War Is A Racket, and William Blum's Killing Hope.
bamboo4tameshigiri 1 month ago
I read this several years ago and see it now coming to pass. Like a bad bowel movement, it is the result of Communist tactics breaking down our "faith" in a representative government. Tptb want people so disenfranchised that they either just continue to pick the lesser of two evils or simply break out into violence. Either way... they win. Nazi is a combination of National Socialist and Zionists. It is not what we have been taught throughout history. Taxes? They go straight to the Queen.
chop98 1 month ago
Great Victoria Jackson voice btw! I agree with you 100% that demonizing opponents is getting us nowhere and sadly both parties have been hijacked since Clinton, the Republicans by the neo-cons and tea party and the Democrats by the so called 'progressives.' I think that a lot of the problems began with the 2000 election since it was such a mess.
Of the Republican field I am currently supporting Newt since he was a big part of the 90's collaboration with Clinton.
RationalRoundtable 1 month ago
I don't want to unite this country because we have differences of opinion and we have to grit our teeth and bear shit decisions made by the government if we are going to live in a democratic republic. I really think making such a government accountable is important but even then I know that the government is going to go against me but that's fine.
TheRepublicOfUngeria 1 month ago