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  • i think it would be over after the throat slice but he proceeds on for a further beatdown LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

  • First of all to all the haters , negative comments Patrick Strong is not in the clip at all only briefly . Rick Mitchell and Manami B . are doing the demo. So don't judge Pat by Rick or Manami. I am a long time student of Pats , and he is an authority on speed and power. I've trained with many many big wigs famous people . None of them are as fast as Pat. So please while his students may not have done the most impressive demo (Rick does need some work, ) don't judge Pat by this. Thank you.

  • iam laughin my head off while typing that last move was hysterical the way he taps after getting sliced up ha ha ha ha did not expect this comedy show when i clicked iam gonna show my mates this 1

  • from 0:37 to 0:47 is very funny! :-)))) first, cut his throat and then take him in a strangulation and immobilization...

  • just as bruce lee said, they are always taking to many steps before realy hitting the target spot.

    bruce would have already hit the guy in the middle of his face and called 911 before he could even strike with his stupid gaylord knife.

  • this guy need to find in the dictionary this worlds...SPEED AND POWER!

  • bull

  • this suks, we don't see any speed right here !

  • Sorry but this guy is NOT fast.

  • dont think this should be compared to bruce,would be an insult.this man im sure is very good but wasnt that fast i thought,just my opinion

  • loser

  • Many time wasters on you tube, here is one of them... misleading title etc.

    Read some facts about Bruce Lee before you dare to mention his name in here or compare him with any circus martial arts intended demonstration..!

  • This title is very misleading. You might as well have called the video "Big boobs free beer and money".

  • OH SHUTUP

  • @ICET100 Suck upon my cock.

  • title is misleading, this guy may of been trained by bruce but he is no lord of speed, however his reaction and timing are decent.

  • To shed some light on this...Pat called this series 'lord of speed' as a dedication to Bruce. Second,Pats really not in these clips as Rick M,Manami B ,his students are doing most of the techniques. Third Pat is moving slow and as a student of his as well as training with many first Generation students like Wong,Glover,lewis , NO ONE ,I mean NO ONE can move as quick as he can. Just my opinions.

  • my uncle has been trained by patrick and is very good. patrick is very good and my uncle often meets with him when he is in the uk. i wish i was half as good as them

  • :Oexelente video quisiere saber mas informes gracias

  • 0:38 is died :o assassin XD

  • Azz: Most, if not all, of the LEGITIMATE instructors of JKD have not garnered much coin from teaching Bruce Lee's art. The most successful JKD instructor is Dan Inosanto, yet most of his money is not made from teaching JKD. Downplaying the skill level of Bruce Lee's students has become a flavor of the month concept. Patrick Strong, Howard Williams, James DeMile, Jesse Glover, Dan Lee, and Bob Bremer are all quality representatives of Lee's art.

  • Those who take shots at Sifu Strong need to watch at least 1 of his 4 DVDs before making uneducated comments. The man is now in his 60's, yet the speed of his straight blast is awesome. Jesse Glover's comment is not meant to be taken literally. Sifu Glover last saw Bruce Lee in 1965 and JKD was not coined until 1966. Lee told Dan Inosanto, Ted Wong, and others that JKD classes should be small and that he did not want his art to be mass produced.

  • these stupid white boys think they are so tough, they live in their own world

  • No offense to Mr Strong but this is just another attempt at someone cashing in on Bruce's name. Bruce did not want ANYONE to carry on Jun Fan Gung Fu or JKD, because he knew that no one could do it the way he did. Dan Inosanto, Jerry Poteet, Patrick Strong, Ted Wong, Larry Hartsell, Tim Tackett etc. NONE of them should claim to teach what Bruce taught them, because Bruce didn't want it taught. He told Jesse Glover that he wanted to take JKD to the grave because it isn't meant for average people

  • 0:37 LOL the guy's throat is already slashed, just let him go

  • Sifu Patrick Strong was a Seattle Era student of Bruce Lee and began his training with Lee at the age of 17. The Seattle Era students of Bruce Lee were a group of people who nobody wanted to mess with. This included Jesse Glover, James DeMile, Leroy Garcia, Skip Ellsworth, Ed Hart, Doug Palmer, and Patrick Strong. DeMile, Garcia, and Hart were champion boxers in the service and Glover was a service champion in both judo and boxing. All of them were noted street fighters prior to meeting Lee.

  • bruce lee was never ever trained by him! lee would kill him in one on one!

  • he didn't teach shit bruce lee did not get trained by this piece of shit

  • Yo, "Lord of speed"? I don't see any speed demonstrations here. It's mostly take downs & grappling. Sticks as weapons? Yo, nobody carries sticks in the streets anymore. (except for cops) peace!

  • the ol slit his throat then armbar him and put him in a rear naked choke trick??? thats the oldest trick in the book.

    BECAUSE its SOOOOO practical

  • in the real world that guy will get pwned if he tries any of that shit.

  • kind of exagerated

  • This is just showcasing techniques. Thats all. Patrick is the fastest and one of the most powerful punchers Ive ever seen, even at his age. Hes still faster than all of you, betcha.

  • For those talking shit you must be dumb. Of course any young person would have the advantage of taking this old timer, Patrick Strong is Og i mean jesus he trained with BRUCE LEE. Anyone who is 1st generation is old as hell. But go TOE TO TOE with a JKD fighter your age, i guarantee you'll get crushed. Don't think so? Message me.

  • Not really impressive...Not to be negative, but the victim never attempted to hit back.

    In order to control your opponent like that you must first disable him. His victim just stands there to be hit.

    Oh and...Lord of speed? You gotta be kidding me.

  • Like the moves, but after u slice his throat, why u need to put him down and choke him?

  • Aren't you a bunch of internet tough guys? Of course, any one of you can take him when you're sitting in front of your computer.

  • what a lot of crap

  • ROFL...i would pwn this jerkoff

  • in the words of bruce lee boards dont hit back

    rubbish video your man never attemped to hit back thats not real life

  • any lesson??

  • haha dude that last combo was over kill lol

  • LOL. The man would already have been dying at the slit throat part....there was no need to snap his neck and strangle hold him afterward HAHAH.

  • If I remember correctly, the directors had to ask bruce lee to slow down on several occasions so that they could film his moves...

    read several comments down here... I have a hard time believing that some people would doubt bruce lee, why do you guys think we still remember his name? Why do you think people can't stop comparing new and upcoming fighters with him? Because he was the bench mark for the ultimate fighter.

  • In an interview Jet Li accepted himself that Jackie Chan is better than he himself is. A long time ago Jackie Chan himself accepted that he wet his pants doing stunts with Bruce Lee.

    If you think Jet Li is good, you might want to scale what Bruce Lee was.

  • this is the gayest shit ever. and whats with the pokemon music?

  • porn music! lol

  • FAG

  • wtf does this fag have to do wit Bruce Lee, who made this fuckin stupid vid

  • I love Bruce, he was the best, although I keep hearing Rumors that there is a fighter that would destroy him in seconds, his name is Fedor Emelianenko. This guy is already considered the best fighter ever by many people. Only god knows if this is true.

  • Ah yes, the MMA god himself...Fedor.

  • turetor, yeah you can say whatever you want. But if you're going to say "Bruce Lee was a major pussy." then you're just making youself look like a ignorant little bitch.

    You just made it obvious that you don't know shit about combat.

    So why show-off your stupidity?

    GTFO.

    Bruce Lee was nothing short of incredible.

  • bruce lee could murder this guy!!!

  • Hahaha at the knife bit at the end he slits his throat then elabourates to a needless extent wtf!?! plus tbh didnt seem that fast

    FTL

  • Looks like heavy kali influence.

  • u stupid fukin cunt, like to see u say tht to somebodys face, hed the beat the shit outa u now, even if he is 6 feet under

  • this sucks

  • last part of you post is just sheer arrogance.

  • You can think what you want.You and your little myopic world would be shattered if you saw what we really do.I believe people are afraid of what they don't understand .Your teacher will never get it.He's stuck being some one else.You may not want to make the same mistake .Walkon.

  • Seems like you have a huge chip on your shoulder Raf. My world would be shattered? Again you are arrogant, you don't the first thing about me. Anyway before this gets anymore childish, I'd like to point out to you again I made no jab at Pat and I have no idea what you do yourself Raf so get off your high horse.

  • yes I do and for my time i've put in ,the fights i've been in ,dam straight i have a huge chip when it comes to monday morning quarterbacks like you.i'm sure your teacher dosen't have an ego ?i've wasted enough time on u.

  • "wannabe bruce clone teacher!" u say that like this video isnt tryin to sell pat usin bruce lees name..

    not sayin anythin against patrick.. just pointin out ur hipocracy.. and its fun to wind u up :P

  • your so moronic.I believe this series is 10 years old. I'm not sure you can order it.If Pat wanted to make money off Bruce he'd do alot more series .BTW he dosen't charge a fee for teaching seminars ,only travel expenses.Its no sin if he demos what Bruce taught him,cause he really knew Bruce! Camel seems like a jealous no one.Again camel boy,wheres your clip?u have 2 much time on your hands.

  • i dont think any1 who made a comment about this vid has anythin against patrick but they r more bothered about the video itself.. u really can stop defendin him

    maybe u could read what i said instead of what u want me to be sayin and i wouldnt have to waste my massive amount of time talkin to u..

  • zzzzzzz

  • lmao if the throat slice wasnt enough...

  • (Bruce Lee) Funniest vid (Bruce Lee) ive seen allday (Bruce Lee).

    Did I mention Bruce Lee...

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    Bruce Lee!!!

  • the nerve of some of you numbnuts.Larson,practice more ,comment less you suck. None of you fags would last 10 seconds with Pat.Fn star trek groupies.

  • Raf I have complete respect for Pat, I've seen him post on many forums and has always been really generous with his information and informative. But this video is just too much, Bruce Lee's name wizzing round, what else are you to make of this seriously...

  • you do not know anything about the man.He only does a couple of sec. of de mo time on the clip.Pat is his own person,expreses his martial art his way.He's not a cheap clone,imitator of Bruce. He moves much much quicker then the demo.You have a problem with the students performance as Pat is hardly in the clip.

  • And if your who I think you are,hes quicker more explosive then your wannabe bruce clone teacher! There is film where they compare and its not even close,would be embarrassing for your teacher if he let

    it out .My advice take it or leave it is train more or find a new teacher .Hes not doing a good job.

  • Raf you should know who I am I'm not hiding anything hear man, if it is you from the brotherhood. Anyway I have no issue with Pat, you mentioned him I did not. I was just laughing at the way Bruce Lee's name appears, it appears so much its like a bud advert, you can blame poor editing.

    As for Tommy being a Bruce Lee clone (i know you are talking about him lol) I think you will find its everyone else but him that compares him to the great man.

  • i attened one of his seminars its was so boaring i fell asleep, absolute rubbish and nothing to do with bruce lee at all ,he met him so what i met stallone but that doesnt make me a fucking movie star

  • not practical you cannot go around carrying a stick

  • hahahahaha

  • 100$ he get his ass kicked in ufc

  • This guy's an embarassment. Why put Bruce Lees name in it?

  • lol his name is flying everywhere for no reason, just massive letters filling up the screen

  • 69chevy68 is a retard!!!69chevy68 is a retard!!!69chevy68 is a retard!!!69chevy68 is a retard!!!69chevy68 is a retard!!!69chevy68 is a retard!!!69chevy68 is a retard!!!69chevy68 is a retard!!!

  • Its true

  • like to see him grab a big heavyweight fighter like that..lolololo.he'd be broken in half by a big 250 poungd mma fighter.kimbo would ko him one shot.

  • Hey numbnuts‚how many cage figts you been in? Stupid fuck. Don't hate faggotts

  • Hey fuck head how many have you been in?iv'e never been in one..but i have fought amature boxing.and if he grabed a big heavyweight fighter like in the vid he would be smashed.

  • lets see your clips then homo. Anytime u want to show your awesome skills to us your welcomed to come down and get your gay hating ass kicked in 20 different ways. I Train with Patrick BTW. Who the fuck do U? STFU

  • I train with no body dick head..man your defensive and angry..i just simply stated a fact that the moves on a vid are not like the real thing and i wanted to know if the guy ever fought pro..and that it would not be as easy as the vid if the guy was a heavyweight..get a life ass hole..

  • you train..do you fight for real?as in pro? have you ever faced a pro opponent? bet it would not go like training.

  • hey ass wipe i never claimed to be an expert..and im not fat 6'3" 228..lets see you hit a 200 pund heavybag tough guy..

  • hey rafa38 im dying to see you skills in a real fight(not practice or sparring in a gym under controlled circumstances)please send me some footage to verify your claims..

  • how many cage fights has patric strong been in? has he fought pro? is there any footage?thats about all i was asking in the first place and you got all up tight...

  • Hes 65 you moron! He trained with Bruce lee. And you suck! Come down to southern california and talk your shit slappy. Lets see your pro fights homo. Anytime faggot. Your gay pasty ugly and get a tan homo .

  • i told you dumb ass im not pro..where do you come up with this stuff..your an angre man..im still waiting for your vids...tough guy.

  • trained with lee..another myth..lee was never a pro fighter only 14 amature fight...I love bruce lee but i was disapointed to learn that lee never actually fought against pro opponents in real fights..probably like you.

  • I just have one question..how old are you? im guessing between 17 to 25 right..and im not gay im straight..southern california,lololo i grew up there.you talk alot of shit..usually means a guy is insecure and not a tough guy..must also be homo phobic the way your alwasy refering to gay's and faggots...lolololo..

  • look who came in talking shit? You did! listen don't come in talking shit about my teacher and dear friend! TO answe your?s I´VE BEEN training in martial arts likeJKD,MMA,BJJ,THAI BOXING AS WELLasWESTERN BOXING for over 20 years. I CAN show u whatI know in person. We look the same age. I´M A HEAVYWEIGHT.BTWthats Not A 200lb bag your hitting .I Know what a200 # bag is.

  • 200 pound ringside bag buddy sand filled in center look it up on ringside web sight to verify.

  • if anyone is insecure  look at how many posts u made?LOL

  • so you have trained for twenty years?thats great but have you ever fought for real?training not the same.or are you like bruce lee who never fought pro or fought world class opponents..lee had 14 amature fights and some "street fights" which are unverifiable..not the same as competing on a pro level vs other pro fighters..

  • 69's a fatass

  • so do you have any vids of your awsome skills..come on tough guy im sure your better than me hell im just a guy in his back yard.dont be afraid to post them i was'nt. i never claimed anything like you have..so i have nothing to prove or hide..but you on the other hand..with your mma training and all that..well lets see slappy.oh and im not a redneck or gay,man i hope your not my age..i would be embarrased for you.

  • l don't need to post lame clips like yours.how many fights youve been in? l´ve sparred trained with world class.Who are u again? N OT A 200lb bag sorry.Ican show u my skills in person .lm cofedent u wouldn't be a problem. let me know.

  • its funny how other poster here have left comments on your imaturaty and lack of video posts,apparently other have wanted to see your skills but you have refused(fishy)..guess they see the same thing i see...see yah kid.

  • look your obviously a kid or an adult with some serious insecurities..and issues. your not worth my time,tough guy..see yah

  • I would like to see that guy in a real ufc fight or mma fight..anyone know of any real fights the guy has been in? any footage of pro fights?

  • funny how none of those moves or exercise's go as smothly in a real fight..never seen any mma fights look like the moves in a gym.they look great in exhabitions but never happen in a real fight.

  • MR EGO THIS IS SO GAY!

  • how pathetic,people cant understand there is only one Bruce Lee, your poor imitations only rises the master and make you looks like a fool...

  • pathetic video

  • between 35 and 40 that was all he needed to do what is the point of slitting someones throat and then continue beating them and trying to choke them out when they are about to die anyway.

  • the asian guy swung the wooden sword so girly...no offence that all i know how to say something for weak

  • I want to see personally how you ganna take a stick away from an arnis/ escrima mester. good luck hope you've got good health insurance...

  • Bruce Lee is alive loool

  • If you're gonna post "lord of speed" then U best live up to it. You weren't fast at all, just very economical. You wanna see SPEED? type in "Wing chun fast hands". THAT's speed. 00:30 you got a great move. And I like how profficient and practical U are.

  • nice vid!!! real techique JKD is very much Judo based I think

  • whoa!

    he's doing more then trying to disarming someone!

    he's practically raping the poor guy!

  • lol wtf?

  • este tipo si es rapido pero por favor solo hubo un maestro y ese era Bruce

  • this has nothing to do with bruce lee moron

  • Your to stupid to not see it has all to do with Bruce Lee. Fucking dumb ass know it all. How the fuck does it have nothing to do with Bruce Lee? Explain this to me you fucking numbnuts? Why do you do TRUE JKD? Dumb ass

  • That was excessively profane, which didn't at all help prove any point whatsoever. It just made you look stupid.

  • this clip follows alot of bruce lee's principle of trapping, something that bruce hadn't openly taught to anyone, and reason is that, why teach someone something that they could beat you with, only a few in bruce's inner circle have picked up a few moves of his trapping technique, that he uses in his fights all the time.

  • Well it is all good doing that on someone who is letting you pull & push him about. Now try it on someone who is attacking you for real. I have had fights with black belts & higher. Still they seem to go down in the first punch i give them.....Strange ah!

  • LORD of speed??? :-(

  • Patrick states in the series Bruce Lee was the lord of speed he refers too. You shouldn't assume.

  • I haven't seen anyone faster than bruce lee, but prove us wrong.

  • Well come train with us then. Yes your right. For sure no one shows their faster then Bruce. In person you may be surprised . Bruce was great . Thats for sure.

  • response for mncooper26.

    Funny how all these guys with negative comments about the clips are all experts. Geez we have a million masters giving their advise! Wow! Thanks internet masters! And before any haters write anything, I didn't come in here critiqing the clips like their some expert. And I will not post clips. After all why should I show you how to beat me? If you wanna see me , come train with me internet masters.

  • While I would agree that his Techniques don't share much or anything in common with Bruce lee's style he is still very good. He actually has a lot in common with Hapkido, It's a lot of disarming the opposite and braking limbs. Hapkido is all about how to use self defense and to react to an opponent. This guy should not put Bruce lee in the title if it doesn't have anything to do with him, but it is a good video.

  • :37 - end....ummm that may be a little overkill

  • The internet is fulled of self experts , wannabe masters and Bruce lee mind readers. Again for all the negative posters, lets see your stuff? If not STFO.

  • and it all stems from petty jealousy

  • wow, how disapointin, with all the negative comments and generally bein an fool i was expectin a large amount of videos from rafa..

  • Am I the one dissing the clips dumb ass? Lets see your clips henry the camel? I personaly know and train with these people while you don't know jack shit about them. Lets see your clips dumb ass. Why should I make clips so you can jack off to them? hahhah

  • hmm thats what i would call a negative comment rofl.

    did i say "i can take this guy" or "this guy is shit".. no, i was simply pointin out how ur talkin out ur ass, there no need for me to post a clip. and why are u so angry lol

  • sry for multiple posts but my comps blowin up :P

    if ur gonna respond plz do so with some form of logic and not 5 year old insults, ur meant to be 37 and a disiplined martial artist. all u are doin is embarrasing the guy ur tryin to defend by associating urself and this imaturity with him.

  • thats what i would call a negative post lol.. dont be such a hipocrit.

    iv said nothin like "this guy is shit" or "im better than him" ect.. i have simply pointed out how u talk out ur ass, thus i dont need to post a clip.

    lol the only reason i think u should post a clip is because of ur own oppinions regardin negative posts.

    if im wrong plz, tell me so with some form of logic and not 5 year old insults, ur meant to be 37 and a diciplined martial artist..

  • arg lol ffs.. i post the first 1, refreshed to see if it was there, and it wasnt. then did the third post, refreshed it, just the 1st was there. so i did the 2nd, to add to the first, refreshed and 1st and 2nd r there. now i come back and all 3 r there :P

    so basically just ignore the 3rd post.

    and im sry if i offended u, but u r very negative and theres just no need for it.

  • Are you having conversations with yourself? Eh , I have put out clips. I know and train with these men. Its easy to be an arm chair critiqer. Think what you want. I don't care. lol

  • Was meant for this henry the camel know it all. (the comments above.) He is so high and mighty and beyond such immature things such as my post but yet he posts 2000 posts (insecure). Pat is a someone(ORIGIONAL BRUCE LEE STUDENT WHO TRAINED WITH THE LATE GREAT BRUCE LEE IN SEATTLE) . Your not . LOL

  • Yeah camel, where are your posts? Thats my sifu you moron(Pat)

  • u love takin the piss outta somethin then doin it urself dont ya.. multiple posts r annoyin, altho i appoligised and said y i did it.

    iv said this before but ill have to say it again, i got no problem with the guy in the vid, i was only commentin on ur level of imaturity. so who uv trained with or how good u think u r really means nothin to me and is irrelivent to what im sayin.

  • So you somehow can connect and know the mind of the late Bruce Lee , and communicate with the dead? Are you Bruce Lee's spokesperson? Or are you just an idiot? Go back to smoking dope , dope.

  • erm, if u hadnt notised, this guy in the vid appears to be sellin himself usin bruce lees name, sayin he knows the "secret" of bruce's teachins. he can communicate with the dead? or are most ppl just full of shit..

    also postin a video boastin about ur superior speed, then showin pretty adverage stuff, is obviously gonna get bad comments

  • Ah stfu. Another noone expert who thinks they know something. Lets see your clips.

  • rofl i love the way u argue a point that can, quite easily, be used against u

  • i don't think bruce lee would have approved of any of this with his name on it...because that's not what he was about. He wasn't about teaching a method at all...his principles were to have none.

    Also if Bruce saw this video he'd probably say you used way too many complicated techniques to subdue someone...really unnecessarily large amounts when a few strikes could have done the job.

  • completly agree with you

  • BTW Pat is going really slow in the clip . He is not showing his true speed. He is much quicker then that. He is demonstrating flow rather then speed .

  • who ever says Pat is not fast enough does not know what the hell their talking about. I've met no one faster and I've been training over 20 years and met a who or who is MA. And the 'tie' to BL is under the skin so to speak. It's what powers the 'technique(internal structure)which is the connection to Bl rather then petty techs you can by from a cd.

  • well choreographed - just like "dancing with the stars". Where is the tie in to BL? More importantly most martial artist's would tell u to run like hell after disarming your assailant. This man coninutes to roll around with the badguy in the knife scene - espscially after taking away and then slicing the badguy's throat - WTF? Maybe he missed ;) ? and had to do all that gropping...umh. Seriously folks - search out Bas Ruten for serious to the point, no bullshit, nasty self defense.

  • patrick has techniches,but frankly he isn't fast enough, he seems to be lacking agility with the moves, when doing a move you have to be lose, not stiff.

  • Guys who make negative comments , lets see your clips and how its done? If not shut the fuck up . Bunch of faggots.

  • why u not on the ufc lmao.  ..THE FADGE..

  • not fast enough

  • At least this isn't labeled "JEET KUNE DO BRUCE LEE EXTREME FIGHTING MARTIAL ART BRUCE LEE JKD MOVES ATTACK"

  • i could kick his arse HOW DARE YOU put bruce lees name on this crap

  • Bruce would bitchslap that faggot.

  • omfg this guy is such a fucking fag douche bag xDD

  • it's not fluid like whhen bruce lee kicks and punches, bruce lees kicks are fast and look as if they aren't stiff to make a huge impact.

  • The guy attacking is ridiculously slow and his attacks are VERY deliberate. A 4 year old can predict his movements. But Patrick does have some cool moves.

  • please tluly exples youlself

  • BL was the best fighter the public have ever known. His wisdom of martial is at a 10 dang level. There was a great secret fight between him and a Shaoolin martial artist that they both said they won. After that BL revised his JKD, saying that fights should not drag out too long. For a guy whose born and breathe Martial Art every second and was at that level. I dont think anyone could have truly beat him in his prime. Much like Jordan, if you were good, he'll just be better.

  • In my view, there were guys then, as today, who were better than Bruce. However, I had the chance to talk about BL with one of his original students, and BL was a "bad dude" who you would not want to run into in a dark alley. BTW there are quite a few bouncers or bodyguards who can "street fight" but have never fought as pro's, same with cops.

  • Steven Segal's bodyguard kicked his ass after Segal put out a challenge to anyone who wants to fight him.

  • I have personally trained with some of Bruce Lee's former students (including Mr. Strong) and would just like to say that if you get a chance to train with him, count yourself blessed and pay attention!!

  • Bruce Lee would not approve.

  • I've personally trained with this guy.  Nicest man you would ever meet, and lightning fast hands.

  • you vs bruce lee= your head is off

  • Play along ? How are they supposed to demo the moves ? No one is going to buy a tape with a sloppy demo. Trust me , they can put that on you if you want to'play along' or not. Either way.