@soaringaegis I didnt say he did, I said all "Kung Fu" movies (or Wushu, I guess?) stars are just copies of Bruce Lee to me, regardless of fighting style or weaponry. I don't even like Jet Li or Jackie Chan, although the latter at least adds humor. No, indeed, the only movie I've seen with a Jian is Disney's Mulan.
I guess the Americanized ones are like that. Try real Chinese movies like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Or Fearless. Or Hero. Or Red Cliff. There's plenty out there that aren't just about some vengeful guy beating people's faces in with fists.
@mastercatx If she has a strong wrist, then she is not applying it at the crucial moment of initial acceleration, especially when moving from a vertical position to a thrust. many times the tip of the sword breaks a vital rule in jian play. When carrying the sword horizontally and close to the body, she would be at great risk of being cut by her own weapon with such an unstable directing of the wrist by the elbow ad upper arm.
@mastercatx i allowed that she may have a strong wrist, and never mentioned a tight grip as the solution. like your "bet" you are again making assumptions. But for your benefit, please point to the moments where you believe there is indication of a strong wrist? Then we can discuss this in comparison to sword methods in other schools, or in pure biomechanical terms if you prefer. I might agree that she is quite close to her father's technique of many years ago.
@19thlohan If one is strong enough to cause a real sword to wobble by cutting air, then the sword will be as useful as a wet wrapping paper tube when used for cutting or stabbing.
@LaRoza77 You obviously have no clue about spring steel and there for shouldn't be commenting. Everyone who knows anything about Chinese weapons now knows you're an idiot!
@19thlohan Spring steel is used for stage swords, not real swords.
Chinese sword making (for steel jian) did not involve the use of this. It is not effective for combat swords. Attacking me personally is not useful. If there is a facet of sword making that I am missing, then please state it. Jian are often made for practice or stage use and do not reflect the attributes of the actual historical weapon. One sees spring steel in movies and on stage for a reason.
@LaRoza77 First spring steel was used for real swords. There are different grades of it. There is combat spring steel and contemparary wushu spring steel and a whole range in between. The girl in the video was using combat spring steel and she still made it shake at the tip because of her excellent issueing of power.
Second the narrow blade jian was never a combat weapon, it was a status symbol for nobles and high ranking officers. It's only real use was for duels. It wasn't meant to go against armored opponents.In older times they had straight edged broad swords but the saber(dao) was considered a better combat weapon by Chinese culture so they faded away. The narrow blade sword doesn't shake or wobble when chopping, drawing or sliding which are it's main techniques .
@19thlohan The vibrating tip can help get deeper penetration on a stright thrust as it causes the sword to work it's way in deeper.
Third ask a good western sword play expert and they will tell you that the best rapiers are light and will beable to bend the tip down to touch the handle. Like the rapier the jians of the past couple hundred years are meant for quick precision sword work. It's useless to have a solid heavy sword if you have no intent to use hard blocks or power strokes with it.
@19thlohan Lastly you rarely see combat spring steel used for movies or demonstration because most people want you to think they have good fa jing (power) and the ability to transfer it through the weapon with out taking the time to actually develop that kind of power.
@19thlohan have you ever seen testing on anything approximating the density of a human body to validate this first claim?
there are many statements made within oriental martial arts circles, that when tested are proven to be wishful thinking. The twist of the karate punch was reputed to cause internal organs to explode; when it really just assists the biomechanics of the punch. Someone with a preexisting condition probably haemhorraged after being punched - the rest is history.
@kennybombxt Actual battle ready well made swords are very rigid. Differential hardening can get the best of both (soft and hard), but in the end, the sword must be hard on the outside. While a springy sword doesn't break very easily, it doesn't cut or stab very well either. While steel will bend to a degree, functional swords are always made of hard steel.
A razor sharp blade doesn't have to hit with force to do severe damage.... And all the moves in San Cai Jian are/have counters... it's fencing when you come down to it. Study the set with applications and you'll realize its utility.
thats why i like this sword (every time your opponent moves you can get in a vital cut to the wrist or sides) but is it useful againts none sword wepons and broad swords
The cool thing about this form is that the two halves can be broken up, and used together as a two person form-the first half attacks and the second half defends! Awesome, huh?
great skills, full command of the weapon. Is there anyway we can invite her to the upcoming Las Vegas Jianshu Tournament? I am sure she would be an awesome competitor.
Wow, its like a chinese Rapier. I didnt even know the Chinese had thrusting swords.
SpadaccinoLuciano 5 months ago
@SpadaccinoLuciano
Wow, really? You see them a lot in Chinese movies.
soaringaegis 3 months ago
@soaringaegis Dont watch Chinese movies, lol
SpadaccinoLuciano 3 months ago
@SpadaccinoLuciano
Why not? D:
soaringaegis 2 months ago
@soaringaegis Never really liked them, theyre all just wannabe Bruce Lees, now...
SpadaccinoLuciano 2 months ago
@SpadaccinoLuciano
Obviously you haven't seen very many, if you've never seen this type of sword before. :/ Which begs the point. Bruce Lee doesn't even use swords.
soaringaegis 2 months ago
@soaringaegis I didnt say he did, I said all "Kung Fu" movies (or Wushu, I guess?) stars are just copies of Bruce Lee to me, regardless of fighting style or weaponry. I don't even like Jet Li or Jackie Chan, although the latter at least adds humor. No, indeed, the only movie I've seen with a Jian is Disney's Mulan.
SpadaccinoLuciano 2 months ago
@SpadaccinoLuciano
I guess the Americanized ones are like that. Try real Chinese movies like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Or Fearless. Or Hero. Or Red Cliff. There's plenty out there that aren't just about some vengeful guy beating people's faces in with fists.
soaringaegis 2 months ago
@soaringaegis Then they truely practice a martial "art". I might give them a try, then.
SpadaccinoLuciano 2 months ago
She has a strong wrist. Very good.
mastercatx 1 year ago
@mastercatx If she has a strong wrist, then she is not applying it at the crucial moment of initial acceleration, especially when moving from a vertical position to a thrust. many times the tip of the sword breaks a vital rule in jian play. When carrying the sword horizontally and close to the body, she would be at great risk of being cut by her own weapon with such an unstable directing of the wrist by the elbow ad upper arm.
mantiskf2003 11 months ago
@mantiskf2003
Whatever. I bet I could easily disarm you.
mastercatx 11 months ago
@mastercatx wow, what a mature and technical response! what exactly would you bet? we all dream of glorious victory, but some of us grow up.
mantiskf2003 11 months ago
@mantiskf2003
You should have simply asked asked what I meant about wrist strength. Strong wrist does not equal tight grip.
mastercatx 11 months ago
@mastercatx i allowed that she may have a strong wrist, and never mentioned a tight grip as the solution. like your "bet" you are again making assumptions. But for your benefit, please point to the moments where you believe there is indication of a strong wrist? Then we can discuss this in comparison to sword methods in other schools, or in pure biomechanical terms if you prefer. I might agree that she is quite close to her father's technique of many years ago.
mantiskf2003 11 months ago
great form, and she is cute
Tianshanwarrior 1 year ago
Beautiful and impressive. Where is this school?
engurrand 1 year ago
very solid. nice.
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ey2860ey 1 year ago
very good form
9988Eckschmidt 1 year ago
Fabulous! Thank you!
vbywrde 1 year ago
wow! i should use that in saber fencing!! except for all the crossovers...i should cut all that out.
ShuyuKoukin 1 year ago
Didn't mean any offence, I find her to be a wonderful swordsmen.
Lediv7 2 years ago
i wonder who her teacher is? very nice sword
piguahand 2 years ago
@piguahand Her father, Dr Yang Jwing Ming
19thlohan 2 years ago
Her sword is wobbling.
Lediv7 2 years ago
@Lediv7 That's what happens when you have good power and a spring steel sword
19thlohan 2 years ago
@19thlohan If one is strong enough to cause a real sword to wobble by cutting air, then the sword will be as useful as a wet wrapping paper tube when used for cutting or stabbing.
LaRoza77 1 year ago
@LaRoza77 You obviously have no clue about spring steel and there for shouldn't be commenting. Everyone who knows anything about Chinese weapons now knows you're an idiot!
19thlohan 1 year ago
@19thlohan Spring steel is used for stage swords, not real swords.
Chinese sword making (for steel jian) did not involve the use of this. It is not effective for combat swords. Attacking me personally is not useful. If there is a facet of sword making that I am missing, then please state it. Jian are often made for practice or stage use and do not reflect the attributes of the actual historical weapon. One sees spring steel in movies and on stage for a reason.
LaRoza77 1 year ago
@LaRoza77 First spring steel was used for real swords. There are different grades of it. There is combat spring steel and contemparary wushu spring steel and a whole range in between. The girl in the video was using combat spring steel and she still made it shake at the tip because of her excellent issueing of power.
19thlohan 1 year ago
@19thlohan
Second the narrow blade jian was never a combat weapon, it was a status symbol for nobles and high ranking officers. It's only real use was for duels. It wasn't meant to go against armored opponents.In older times they had straight edged broad swords but the saber(dao) was considered a better combat weapon by Chinese culture so they faded away. The narrow blade sword doesn't shake or wobble when chopping, drawing or sliding which are it's main techniques .
19thlohan 1 year ago
@19thlohan The vibrating tip can help get deeper penetration on a stright thrust as it causes the sword to work it's way in deeper.
Third ask a good western sword play expert and they will tell you that the best rapiers are light and will beable to bend the tip down to touch the handle. Like the rapier the jians of the past couple hundred years are meant for quick precision sword work. It's useless to have a solid heavy sword if you have no intent to use hard blocks or power strokes with it.
19thlohan 1 year ago
@19thlohan Lastly you rarely see combat spring steel used for movies or demonstration because most people want you to think they have good fa jing (power) and the ability to transfer it through the weapon with out taking the time to actually develop that kind of power.
19thlohan 1 year ago
@19thlohan have you ever seen testing on anything approximating the density of a human body to validate this first claim?
there are many statements made within oriental martial arts circles, that when tested are proven to be wishful thinking. The twist of the karate punch was reputed to cause internal organs to explode; when it really just assists the biomechanics of the punch. Someone with a preexisting condition probably haemhorraged after being punched - the rest is history.
mantiskf2003 11 months ago
@Lediv7
ALL swords "wobble". If they didn't they would crack. ;-)
kennybombxt 1 year ago 2
@kennybombxt Now that would be something to see! :)
GOE7Song 1 year ago
@kennybombxt Strange, no antique Jian wobbles, no high end custom jian wobbles. Not one of them cracks either.
Wobbly swords are pretty theater swords and train bad habits.
SsehKalai 1 year ago
@kennybombxt Actual battle ready well made swords are very rigid. Differential hardening can get the best of both (soft and hard), but in the end, the sword must be hard on the outside. While a springy sword doesn't break very easily, it doesn't cut or stab very well either. While steel will bend to a degree, functional swords are always made of hard steel.
LaRoza77 1 year ago
Well, practically you wouldn't be walking around the streets with a sword.
RogueWorgen 2 years ago
There are a lot of things that approximate swords in everyday life.... That said not many are as sharp. :-)
SpiritsVisceral 2 years ago
@RogueWorgen: You'd be surprised :P
VorpalDrake 2 years ago
can you actually use those skills in a practical aplication
jinnd319 2 years ago
A razor sharp blade doesn't have to hit with force to do severe damage.... And all the moves in San Cai Jian are/have counters... it's fencing when you come down to it. Study the set with applications and you'll realize its utility.
SpiritsVisceral 2 years ago
thats why i like this sword (every time your opponent moves you can get in a vital cut to the wrist or sides) but is it useful againts none sword wepons and broad swords
jinnd319 2 years ago
this weapon seems ideal for the silent assassin or the warrior who prefers discretion
malevolenceXXXensues 2 years ago
Hao Jian!
wudanpai 2 years ago
wow her technique is so clean !! is this cha quan?
ambucias 2 years ago
Very clean! Hard to make look good without a tassel.
nagexingqisi 2 years ago
Superb. Relaxed, balanced, great timing. Swordplay one should aspire to emulate.
daoistviewer 2 years ago
Agreed, great speed, footwork, and manipulation. Though I think she needs to relax her right wrist just a bit more on her "dian".
TonyPstunts 2 years ago
excellent.
sirg31 2 years ago
This is amazing!
Is there a mantis style to this?
Rainfire11559 3 years ago
yes there is i do mantis but i dont know the form but my si fu does i could ask him
MarmarAkaSeiryu 2 years ago
The cool thing about this form is that the two halves can be broken up, and used together as a two person form-the first half attacks and the second half defends! Awesome, huh?
WinthropCMA 3 years ago
That's really good. Very functional, yet nice to watch.
BritishRacingGreen 3 years ago
who is she dr daughter?
pathologie101 3 years ago
who is she?
pathologie101 3 years ago
great skills, full command of the weapon. Is there anyway we can invite her to the upcoming Las Vegas Jianshu Tournament? I am sure she would be an awesome competitor.
WJLadmin 3 years ago
Very nicely done. It is the same way that I am learning it. Thanks for sharing. I have used it as a reference in my practice.
pyro161616 3 years ago
Awesome!!!!!!
Mantisdude 4 years ago
One word for your San Cai Jian Demo. POWERFUL ! How long have you being practicing ???
satoh59 4 years ago
Ah, so glad that I found this video. I've done this form, but I'd forgotten one part. This video did an excellent job at refreshing my memory.
And of course, compliments on a well done form!
BobiusBobman 4 years ago
very impressive...makes me a little sad, though, after struggling through a straight sword form this morning with one of my sihings=(
drchango 4 years ago
super kewl. Where/when did you get those, 19thLohan?
darth8freak 5 years ago
so powerful...XD
you can try to give more force in the end of sword at "dian jian".
errantknight 5 years ago