Public Health Care vs Private Health Insurers' Theft Industry

[nym8600]

so whats your point...profit is still the process by which unproductive capitalist bosses extract wealth from the men and women who actually produce the goods and services. profit is a tax on those workers who are granted permission to use the means of production.

[mn8aol]

Vladmir Lenin said the same thing. He and Stalin and others murdered millions so people could have even LESS of the fruits of their labor every day!

[mn8aol]

NO ONE STEALS LIKE THE GOVERNMENT!

[nym8600]

except for corporations which rake in trillions every year in profits...profits=theft

[Entropy137]

Profits can come through theft. It can also come through work, production, and efficiency.

[nym8600]

no a profit is money taken from laborers by capitalist for allowing workers to temp. use the means of production...anyone who contributes with their blood, sweat and tears to a product or service cannot profit from it. He/she is merely reaping the fruits of their labor, unlike capitalist pigs who exploit productive members of society and push money around to live without really working

[Entropy137]

Profit can also come from capital. e.g.machines. If there existed a machine that could produce without someone managing it, it would still produce a capital while zero people are working, so your assertion isn't true. The fair wage for a particular job is determined by the labor market. Supply and demand.

[mn8aol]

How much in profits did the Soviet Union rake in through their slave labor camps? Tell me what entity government or private does not profit?

[nym8600]

workers don't profit. In fact they are robbed of the fruits of their labor every day by the elite few who have the power or capital to exploit them

[Entropy137]

Workers can obtain capital too. e.g. stocks.