I'm glad everyone made it safely. Good job to the pilot whether he was in the dead man's curve or not, there are those that don't survive even the 'safest' height/velocity combinations.
From a poor video taken from the back seat some of you can make statements such as he didn't drop the "pole," that the helicopter was within the dead man's curve and even that it was fully loaded? Wow. Please don't ever sit on my jury. Internet experts. What would we do without you guys to tell the rest of us what we don't know? Thanks.
@Stickman53fe Amen to that and keep the turns up. Hey Stick, you must agree, it is fun stirring it up a bit by having some fun with the Flight Sim 2000 crowd. What would we do without them?
@aligerous Yeah, but I usually don't have to stir them up, they are already overspeeding their rotors on here well before I post. Sometimes it's not even worth the comments I post, though you stated it best previously though.
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It was Bell 206, the sound of it and by the glimpse of the shoulder harness attachment point. As for the crash, he never dropped the pole. He never reacted at all to the EF as you can tell my the nose left yaw. that he never bothered to correct. If he had of been trained on an R22, he would have instinctively dropped the pole (as any chopper pilot should). The fact that they survived was luck. It certainly wasn't from the pilot's flawless AR techinique.
@spidey692003 I dont really want to argue about this, but I have had an engine failure in an R44 with a long line on and under similar airspeed and height conditions. I still managed to land it safely.
R44 has much much more interia, more like the 206. Come on your not suggesting an R22 matches up to a 44 or 206 are you?
My comment was aimed at Jakethesnake, who was claiming if the pilot had trained in an R22 he would have landed this.
How can ANYONE make assumptions on this pilots flight training?!
As anyone who flies knows, theres lots of inertia in the 206, but much harder than a R22 to regain RRPM drop if does drop to low. Height is what was needed.
until you start making sensible statements that are actualy supported by something other then your own ego and arrogance, I won't be taking you seriously. By any chance are you a mustering pilot from Australia? By your foolery and the way you dropped a load of crap under this youtube video I suspect that you must be. Maybe if you had trained in the school of common sense then that would not have happend.
This was a bell 206....If he was trained in an r22 all his problems would be cured? Because the characterisitics of a piston powered eggbeater and turbine jetranger are that alike right? He was low and moving,if he had pulled back on the cyclic he ran the risk of reducing the rotor rpm to "drop like streamlined anvil" speed and yes he was flaring..maybe not enough..too soon to little but when the passengers ask a question after..Id say the landing was ok..
Who said it was an R44? lol. He was low. His engine quit suddenly. All I can say, is if this guy was trained in an R22 he would have had no problem landing. He was going fast enough to lower the collective and pull aft on the cyclic to restore rotor rpm. He didn't lower the collective. he didn't even flare. They are just all lucky they were in a heli with such high blade inertia. You can chop the throttle in an R44 from 0knots and 100 feet and not even hurt the heli.
It's easy to slag off the pilot if the auto is not by the book or the best auto ever. But if the engine dies and you walk away from the aircraft with your life and your limbs then that is a good auto!
The machine is designed to take the impact and protect the cargo.
Checking for fuel contamination is one of the pre flight checks. The pilot did well from such a low hight, not enough hight to regain the lost headspeed to auto down.
Looking at the video, they had quite a bit of speed, my guess is between 50 and 60 knots. They were low and climbing which is not good, however he ought to have been able to auto better than that. That helicopter has high inertia blades. You can hear them practically stalling out before impact. He flared it a little, but it was a bad auto. That sucks that someone would have screwed with the fuel, but he should have detected that in preflight anyway.
Little you can do in a climbout as the engine is usualy at max rating and blades near max pitch and the time you have to lower the collective is so small you hardly have time to react. On an R22 its less than 2 seconds reaction time and its so dangerous that you don't even practice it in a comercial cource.
I bet he didn't lower the collective fast enough. In 206's they encourage you not to slam it down like in the 22. He probably never flew a 22. If he had, I bet that helicopter would have faired better. At least they were ok. I've been throttle chopped at 40 knots on climb out. Not good, but do-able. You slam the collective, hold it level to about 40 feet and then crank the crap out of the cyclic. In a 206 you wouldn't even need to get crazy like that.
If you look at his altitude from the very beginning he can't be flying any higher than 500-700 ft AGL and at that altitude he didn't have much time to do much. Maybe pushed the collective down some and pushed the right pedal to the floor and he might have pulled back on the cyclic just a a little before they hit the ground. But it is obvious at that altitude there is not much time to do a proper auto rotation. At least everyone walked away from it.
I've read somewhere that the crash was caused because someone sabotaged the helicopter by putting dirt in the fuel tanks, the locals were uspset the helicopter had been operating with some people that were there to do somekind of mining or drilling, it took place on an indian reservation.
True, but if there were dirt in the tank, it would clog the pump and injectors almost instantly and shut the engine down pretty damn quick. Just an idea, glad everyone was ok though.
yeah, and he was low, so he could use his blades still spinning like wings to glide down and, well, hope for the best when he hit. Still, he flew it nicely
It was indeed a Bell 206 Jet Ranger. For the type of situation that occurred in this video, it turned out alright with minimal damage and injury to the occupants.
i love it how everyone on youtube is a fully qualified pilot.
MrSeancoffey93 3 months ago
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MrSeancoffey93 3 months ago
no autorotation procedure?
JeeOnFire 6 months ago
was it transforming at the end?
Spyderi07 6 months ago 2
@Spyderi07 Probably a Decepticon.
spellcheckforyou 1 week ago
Scary how quick it all happens! Would have imagined the time from engine failure to the aircraft stopping would be much longer!
andyrik 7 months ago
What was the NTSB report?
helopilot08 7 months ago
@helopilot08 Nevermind I didnt read the whole explanation. Excuse my ignorance!
helopilot08 7 months ago
any landing you can reuse the aircraft again is a great one
206range 1 year ago
Wonder where the needle was hanging out on the Rotor RPM gauge..
motokid032 1 year ago
Nobody even screamed at all?
mannhorn34 1 year ago
Haunting sounds
ELX222 1 year ago
omg i'm so glad everyone is okay. that was a damn fast reaction by the pilot.
sfsoundhound 2 years ago
I'm glad everyone made it safely. Good job to the pilot whether he was in the dead man's curve or not, there are those that don't survive even the 'safest' height/velocity combinations.
nocarsgo23 2 years ago
harsh
twobazzar 2 years ago
From a poor video taken from the back seat some of you can make statements such as he didn't drop the "pole," that the helicopter was within the dead man's curve and even that it was fully loaded? Wow. Please don't ever sit on my jury. Internet experts. What would we do without you guys to tell the rest of us what we don't know? Thanks.
aligerous 2 years ago 23
@aligerous Makes me happy that I fly and these "experts" don't.
Stickman53fe 1 year ago 3
@Stickman53fe Amen to that and keep the turns up. Hey Stick, you must agree, it is fun stirring it up a bit by having some fun with the Flight Sim 2000 crowd. What would we do without them?
aligerous 1 year ago
@aligerous Yeah, but I usually don't have to stir them up, they are already overspeeding their rotors on here well before I post. Sometimes it's not even worth the comments I post, though you stated it best previously though.
Stickman53fe 1 year ago
@aligerous sooo true.
kade6 11 months ago
Lucky to walk away indeed!, thats a sound I never want to hear.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago 2
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It was Bell 206, the sound of it and by the glimpse of the shoulder harness attachment point. As for the crash, he never dropped the pole. He never reacted at all to the EF as you can tell my the nose left yaw. that he never bothered to correct. If he had of been trained on an R22, he would have instinctively dropped the pole (as any chopper pilot should). The fact that they survived was luck. It certainly wasn't from the pilot's flawless AR techinique.
MacGyver112673 2 years ago
How can you make an assumption on this pilots training?
This is in dead mans curve, if you did this in an R22 you would be dead.
spidey692003 2 years ago
@spidey692003 I dont really want to argue about this, but I have had an engine failure in an R44 with a long line on and under similar airspeed and height conditions. I still managed to land it safely.
MacGyver112673 2 years ago
Thats an R44 though, I said R22.
R44 has much much more interia, more like the 206. Come on your not suggesting an R22 matches up to a 44 or 206 are you?
My comment was aimed at Jakethesnake, who was claiming if the pilot had trained in an R22 he would have landed this.
How can ANYONE make assumptions on this pilots flight training?!
As anyone who flies knows, theres lots of inertia in the 206, but much harder than a R22 to regain RRPM drop if does drop to low. Height is what was needed.
spidey692003 2 years ago
@MacGyver112673
you're and idiot
jtully79 2 years ago
Thanks bud, when you have had half as much life experience as I have, then I will take your "you're and idiot" comment seriously
MacGyver112673 2 years ago
@MacGyver112673
until you start making sensible statements that are actualy supported by something other then your own ego and arrogance, I won't be taking you seriously. By any chance are you a mustering pilot from Australia? By your foolery and the way you dropped a load of crap under this youtube video I suspect that you must be. Maybe if you had trained in the school of common sense then that would not have happend.
jtully79 2 years ago
judging by your quickwitted personal insults, you must be from the states no doubt.
MacGyver112673 2 years ago 2
@MacGyver112673
wrong again... same make as you by the looks... just not as full of myslef
jtully79 2 years ago
imagine the feeling you get when you relize your going to crash, the adrenelin would be pumping
they were very lucky tho
tfelsemanon 2 years ago
JetRanger for sheezy.
motokid032 2 years ago
Any landing u walk away from is a good one.
andgate2000 2 years ago 22
@andgate2000 Stupid comment.
toutatis12 9 months ago
Dropped like a rock.
toutatis12 9 months ago
@andgate2000 No... It's not.
toutatis12 2 months ago
this is brilliant
shipsim2k8 2 years ago
dead man's curve is a bitch.
slurrpychillifries 2 years ago 3
jet ranger failure...
DHUNT571 2 years ago
Jetranger 206 defo !
mrjoneswales 2 years ago
This was a bell 206....If he was trained in an r22 all his problems would be cured? Because the characterisitics of a piston powered eggbeater and turbine jetranger are that alike right? He was low and moving,if he had pulled back on the cyclic he ran the risk of reducing the rotor rpm to "drop like streamlined anvil" speed and yes he was flaring..maybe not enough..too soon to little but when the passengers ask a question after..Id say the landing was ok..
Overstated1 3 years ago 4
Who said it was an R44? lol. He was low. His engine quit suddenly. All I can say, is if this guy was trained in an R22 he would have had no problem landing. He was going fast enough to lower the collective and pull aft on the cyclic to restore rotor rpm. He didn't lower the collective. he didn't even flare. They are just all lucky they were in a heli with such high blade inertia. You can chop the throttle in an R44 from 0knots and 100 feet and not even hurt the heli.
Jakethesnake1977 3 years ago
It's in the tags... so is R22. (?) Damn, they were lucky though.
Beric87 3 years ago
R-22 and R-44s are piston powered helicopters...this is clearly a turbine powered aircraft judging by the sound alone.
DeskFlyer 3 years ago 4
he did a pretty damn good job though, everyone walked
royaltonrotors08 3 years ago
why is this tagged as a Robinson crash? lmao
HeliRy 3 years ago
It's easy to slag off the pilot if the auto is not by the book or the best auto ever. But if the engine dies and you walk away from the aircraft with your life and your limbs then that is a good auto!
The machine is designed to take the impact and protect the cargo.
jonathane1976 3 years ago
No cursing -- I can't believe it.
"Shall we get out?" -- what a lame ass question.
WOODRUFFAPTS 3 years ago
Damn you're stupid.
fatal9er 3 years ago
that's crazy. lol.
davecoolsdf 3 years ago
when te engine turns off, the blades stop very quickly?
sdrfgvrfgvsfravgdsvS 3 years ago
No, Push down the lever on your left side (collective) soon enough and they keep spinning and continue to give you beneficial lift
kennimer 3 years ago
No, they auto rotate to significantly slow decent.
Steveg20001 3 years ago
Checking for fuel contamination is one of the pre flight checks. The pilot did well from such a low hight, not enough hight to regain the lost headspeed to auto down.
davidaearthy 3 years ago
Looking at the video, they had quite a bit of speed, my guess is between 50 and 60 knots. They were low and climbing which is not good, however he ought to have been able to auto better than that. That helicopter has high inertia blades. You can hear them practically stalling out before impact. He flared it a little, but it was a bad auto. That sucks that someone would have screwed with the fuel, but he should have detected that in preflight anyway.
Jakethesnake1977 3 years ago
Little you can do in a climbout as the engine is usualy at max rating and blades near max pitch and the time you have to lower the collective is so small you hardly have time to react. On an R22 its less than 2 seconds reaction time and its so dangerous that you don't even practice it in a comercial cource.
davidaearthy 3 years ago
In fact, you can hear the time between the engine failure and the low rotor RPM horn is very short. Less than a second.
davidaearthy 3 years ago
I bet he didn't lower the collective fast enough. In 206's they encourage you not to slam it down like in the 22. He probably never flew a 22. If he had, I bet that helicopter would have faired better. At least they were ok. I've been throttle chopped at 40 knots on climb out. Not good, but do-able. You slam the collective, hold it level to about 40 feet and then crank the crap out of the cyclic. In a 206 you wouldn't even need to get crazy like that.
Jakethesnake1977 3 years ago
If you look at his altitude from the very beginning he can't be flying any higher than 500-700 ft AGL and at that altitude he didn't have much time to do much. Maybe pushed the collective down some and pushed the right pedal to the floor and he might have pulled back on the cyclic just a a little before they hit the ground. But it is obvious at that altitude there is not much time to do a proper auto rotation. At least everyone walked away from it.
greg8698 3 years ago
I don't think its a 22. 22's are two-seaters and you can tell this is a 4. It's a Robinson R44. But same idea with the autorotation though.
HeatherCopter007 3 years ago
There sure are alot of people here that think it's a teeny Robinson.. From the blades and engine it sounds like a fully loaded jetranger.
BrassAxe 2 years ago 3
I would so fly a helicopter with sabotaged fuel, It would be exciting and scary.
Patriotfrosh15 3 years ago 4
autoroattions are not just difficult from certain heights they are physically impossible dude
dutto75man 3 years ago
well that was some great flying on the part of the pilot responding so well.
stuga 3 years ago
I've read somewhere that the crash was caused because someone sabotaged the helicopter by putting dirt in the fuel tanks, the locals were uspset the helicopter had been operating with some people that were there to do somekind of mining or drilling, it took place on an indian reservation.
BlenderPilot 3 years ago 2
Doesnt sound like the fuel was the problem, the engine shut down pretty damn quick. If it was the fuel it would sputter alot.
pfcmarine0311 3 years ago
True, but if there were dirt in the tank, it would clog the pump and injectors almost instantly and shut the engine down pretty damn quick. Just an idea, glad everyone was ok though.
tellmem3 3 years ago
omg they will be hurt though?
Daniel01465 3 years ago
omg they will be hurt though?
Daniel01465 3 years ago
and at the end they entered the matrix
Dougman7777 3 years ago
If thats how fast the rpm drops in a Jet Ranger, imagine what a Robinson is like.
- Note to self, never fly a Robinson again!!!!
obese1konobe 3 years ago
that sucks.. right on take-off, those are the worst engine failures.
Obelix6 4 years ago
damn that was the first time I heard and saw a crash from the cockpit. Sounds like the engine just quit.
calstate 4 years ago
i wouldve said: ''FUCK!''
datapad 4 years ago
I'm thankful all the occupants escaped unharmed. That was a bit too scary!
Howrualldoing 4 years ago
It is a bell 206b2 jetranger, its on the helicopter pilots safety brief forum.
Everyone walked away but he was just to low to enter autorotaion properly. THe helicopter was a write off.
spidey692003 4 years ago
yeah, and he was low, so he could use his blades still spinning like wings to glide down and, well, hope for the best when he hit. Still, he flew it nicely
OMGRedHat 4 years ago
autorotations are very difficult from such a low height.
pineappleboy1 3 years ago
THE BEEP HURT MY EARS..
arthuro13 4 years ago
It was indeed a Bell 206 Jet Ranger. For the type of situation that occurred in this video, it turned out alright with minimal damage and injury to the occupants.
Good thing that the insurance was up to date!
Classic63EType 4 years ago
I'd say an AS350 but the engine sounded like a Bell so my bet is u are right.
Mockeraina 4 years ago
Wow, bled off those RPMs in no time, ain't? Dead silent.
bumblechicken69 4 years ago
Sweet save!
gallows24 4 years ago
Low flying, short time reaction, lucky to fly a Jet-Ranger, no?
srefondini 4 years ago
I was thinking the same. A little too high but not high enough. Probably airspeed saved the day. How do you know it's a JetRanger though?
bumblechicken69 4 years ago
Stop the image at the very end of the issue, you
will see the shoulder harness system ...which is
to me very Jet-Ranger like, isn't it ?
srefondini 4 years ago
WOW when did this happened?
drhugobr 4 years ago
Not to sure when it happened but had the footage now for at least 5 years.
simpson6025 4 years ago