@grannyvonng Sorry granny, I needed to form my question better because you like to misunderstand them on purpose. If god is not appeased what problem(s) does that cause for god? Insomnia?, anxiety attacks?, impotency? Clouded thinking or confusion? Loss of night vision? Seriously, if god goes unappeased what is the peril for HIM?
atheists push people away from faith ,in return they give the emptiness of heart and nothing .They think they are wise,pride ,and that they are owe everything of themselves ,that rose from nothing and later they will be nothing again :-)) ,,The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall .goodness and love ,wisdom does not come from nothingness. START from ,,The Divine Mercy Devotion? - EWTN ,, find it on google
@kongo4527 "atheists push people away from faith". If only it were that simple.
"in return they give the emptiness of heart and nothing". How do you know?
"They think they are wise,pride ,and that they are owe everything of themselves ,that rose from nothing and later they will be nothing again :-)) ". You put a smiley after a nonsense sentence. Bizarre!
"The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."" Quoting the Bible isn't compelling, you know.
Leaving religion, which is simply one particular superstition, let me remove the blinders. I now revel in the freedom to explore reality as it is rather than how my religion allows it. No more must I deny so many fundamental facts of science, or feel compelled to "convert" those around me.
Realizing there is no god, at least as described by religion, has been the most refreshing experience of my life!
Life is short, do you think you know everything?One day when your life will end,(Imagine simply, such a day )you will have? many questions and fears .search path of truth and life, now when you have time .Be smart !Eternal life is found only in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world .You can start searching truth :,,A DYING MANS LAST WORDS, A MESSAGE FROM GOD on you tube A Muslim's Conversion to Christianity - Part 2 .etc please search !!!
No thank you. From one superstition to another. I've noticed that Christians fear death as much as everybody else. That's not surprising--as a Christian, I feared death, too, mostly because I love life so much. Now that I realize Christianity's god is no more likely than Scientology's, my feelings of death are no different.
Ask yourself this simple question about your religion: is there sound, empirical evidence for it? That's what matters. Lets live in truth.
.. Divine Mercy Chaplet - 3 O'clock Prayer,, or ,, DIVINE MERCY MIRACLES. PT 1 OF 6,, Famous atheists last words before dying. ,, or ,,Disproving Atheists in 82 seconds ,, on you tube !!!!!check it
Atheism/Religion in the title of the video? Check. Pseudo-intellectuals engaging in pointless debates on the comments section? Check. One of those pseudo intellectuals are about to flame me for this comment? Check.
"In the beginning God created..." Now we are talking!
In other words, folks, he believes in magic. Nothing complicated -- that would require thought, and logic, and effort. Nope. "poof" is good enough for this religious ignoramus.
@peterpulpitpounder Clearly they must have more reasoning behind that one sentence, and if not then it doesn't matter. Even if we don't have a solid idea on what happened, it doesn't make your God any more believable.
What you're soughing off is comes from evidence and advanced math. It's the same science that puts rockets in orbit and cell phones in in hand yet you cast it aside in favor of you religious gibberish, devoid of any evidence whatsoever.
So sad.
You're the hick in the science lab "waz dis vacume, I don't belief if no vacume..."
Keep on regurgitating your ignorant bullshit and we'll happily keep laughing.
So let me get this straight. Because we don't yet have definitive answer to where it all came from, beyond the Big Bang, that somehow manages to twist your arm into believing that some unevidenced 'god' surely must be behind it?
Yet, you have no issues in believing that this god 'always was', but find it impossible for simpler things to have always been around in some form or another?
A shame your book of miracles doesn't delve so deeply into the explanation on *how* God went about creating everything. I wonder why?
Your Bible would be that much more reliable if it actually had such explanations. That would count as circumstantial evidence in favor of what it attempts to put forward. The fact that ti doesn't further suggest that the stories compiled in it are human invention.
No - just you. Somebody wrote it down - long ago and far away - and your ancestors fell for the Shell Game of the Stupid. End of Story. Schmuck Fail to the Max.
@peterpulpitpounder ""Dare wuz dis vacume, ware dare wuz nuttin"". You do realise that even in a vacuum, there is an enormous amount of activity going on, don't you?
THE PROOF OF THE AUTHENTICITY OF A PROPHET OF JESUS CHRIST IS WHEN THE PROPHET PROCLAIMS A VISION THAT " WILL " COME TO PASS AND IT DOES. CERTAIN VISIONS GIVEN TO A PROPHET OF THE LORD ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO OCCUR IF THE VISION INCLUDES THE WORDS " THE PEOPLE MUST REPENT OF ..." AND THE PEOPLE RESPOND IN REPENTANCE. ANYONE PREDICTING THE DAY OF THE RAPTURE ARE TO BE IGNORED BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST CLEARLY SAID NO ONE KNOWS THAT DAY EXCEPT GOD HIMSELF.
I don't see how it's *any* of your business to involve yourself between two consenting adults, and nor do I see that they owe you any explanation behind their homosexuality. Mind your own business.
That is purely an emotional response on your part, which is no more valid than insisting that turnips should be banned because you find their taste "gross"
@40something100 "if society defines morality then in effect there is no morality...".
Wrong. If religion has no authority on morals, than morality then becomes subjective. It's always been subjective. Christians, even diehard fundamentalists arbitrate between competing moral values, picking/choosing which preachment's to follow and which to disregard. Slavery and slave trading at one point was considered fine, now it's not. The principles tend to change and shift as society itself does.
Really? So you think homosexuality, if left alone, would result in the demise of our species?
The number of humans who exist on earth today exceeds that of seven billion. The contended number of homosexuals being in such a minority that they could not even have any effect on the collapse of humanity whatsoever. So your stand along with Pope Benedict's stance that the gay community will reduce the population so significantly that we'll face extinction is absolutely asinine.
@40something100 Consenting adults don't owe your opinion any consideration when their behavior behind closed doors, can't be shown by you, to be detrimental to others or to degrade the society so much that we would stoop to taking away the liberty of others to pursue their own happiness. It affects YOU so little and you are so impotent to change it to your preference you are coming off as nothing better than a bigot.
Most preachers would tell you that birth is a miracle, and this miracle of course occurs 358,192 times per day (quite common, obviously). Of course, these preachers and adherents of theism will say as such, because they stand by the assumption that a supernatural soul has taken corporeal form despite having no evidence of such. Do they also define infants born with deadly genetic abnormalities, in which they nor the parent can be at fault over also as a miracle? No. Of course not.
Technically speaking, birth is not a miracle, but a wondrous and glorious occurrence. I would say that "most" preachers, if dubbing it as such, apply the term very loosely. A miracle is when God suspends natural law and performs something supernatural, so as to confirm, substantiate or mark out something. Miracles have been the rarity over the course of human history.
What silly reasoning. Let me ask you this: If heaven is a place where people do not suffer, and it is a place of eternal happiness, are we then made into 'robots' in heaven? No. Christians will not only argue that our freewill remains intact in heaven, but even God possesses freewill. So there's no contradiction in saying that we *could* have been created with freewill, and also having no desire to commit a wrong simultaneously.
@peterpulpitpounder So it logically follows that if an omnipotent God can both preserve freewill and eliminate the problem of evil (i.e as he apparently does in heaven), and the fact that he chooses not to do so here, suggests to me that either this God does not exist, or, he is inherently sinister to a fault.
@peterpulpitpounder Humanity has thrived and gone a far ways out of our own prowess, and not because of a god. You can't give credit to God for all the good things that humankind benefits from, if you aren't prepared to also give credit to God for all that does not benefit us. The 'freewill' argument does nothing to explain nor justify why we suffer, and why reality is, more often than not, unkind to us (i.e, it's neutral).
@peterpulpitpounder "Technically speaking, birth is not a miracle, but a wondrous and glorious occurrence..."
And, not all births have a good story to it. Many births end up not happening, or, if fortunate enough, happen, but the infant that is born suffers from a genetic or congenital illness that either makes living incredibly challenging, or impossible. Children born with sickle-cell anemia often don't survive past the age of 5. Where and how does your god justify this?
@peterpulpitpounder "A miracle is when God suspends natural law and performs something supernatural.."
Which hasn't happened, since there hasn't been a single instance that we know of where the natural order of things were suspended. So according to your definition of what a "miracle" constitutes, it doesn't happen. Instead, you have testimonials from men who attest that such miraculous wonders did in fact occur. Let me ask you this: why are these events no longer happening?
Okay, so let me see how this works. Let's say you experience a legitimate miracle from God. Let's say you have a grossly oversize nose, which has caused you embarrassment since preschool, and God reshapes it instantly. Your whole family and community rejoice. A hundred years pass, and someone hears about what happened and says, "That's a fairy tale." Did it then not happen? Unfortunately, you did not live in the days of Christ, and were not an eyewitness of His power.
My answer would be simply that if someone truly experienced what you would call a "suspension" of natural law, and then testified to this, and if people doubted as such, then they're doubt is perfectly reasonable. A revelation was made not to them, but to someone else.
@peterpulpitpounder I did say that based on your rendition of what makes a "miracle" a miracle, the suspension of reality as far as we know it, hasn't happened. Odd how such miraculous wonders transpired thousands of years ago, and yet with the progression of science and innovation these miraculous wonders apparently, can no longer be seen. Why is that? That to me suggests that the miracles and testimonials of men during that age were likely exaggerated and embellished.
@peterpulpitpounder Furthermore, I'm not interested in the testimonials of people who converted to a religion, even if these converts before were atheists. Everyone has instances of weakness in which emotion overrides reason. So if you intend to try to convince me, why not begin by explaining what logic and evidence persuaded you to join in the first place. If you're unable to do this, then your testimony as well as those centuries/millennia removed will be ineffectual to me.
@peterpulpitpounder "...and God reshapes it instantly...Did it then not happen?"
No, because such features don't get reshaped instantly, except through natural forces such as motor accidents. Such reshaping doesn't usually result in desirable features.
"Unfortunately, you did not live in the days of Christ, and were not an eyewitness of His power". Strangely enough, I am yet to learn of a single reliable eyewitness to Christ.
There have been periods in history where academic advances have be stunted for long durations, or even reversed. The reason for that can usually be summed up with one word; religion.
While it would be completely sensible to assume there is no god, I don't, and nor do I need to. There simply is no reason to believe that a god exists. There has never been a single credible proponent of theism, because there has never been a single argument of evidence which would support any of the claims presented which would support their theism. The claims espoused, since antiquity, have been unsupportable and untestable, and remain so.
That's the most ridiculous, confined and unwarranted claim I've ever heard. The fingerprint of God is everywhere, starting with the very breath issuing forth from you mouth. And you want people to believe something came from nothing? I mean that's what atheism must affirm and accept, and it is a premise of the most ridiculous sort. Life cannot come from nothingness.
In the end we are all forced to admit that there must be a God. You WILL admit this someday.
To the contrary, you guys invented your god, then cherry pick the world to find anything that would fit your unsupported paradigm, asserting that nature is proof of your god.
1. The "heavens" clearly indicate a non-planned theme, but instead a very NATURAL outcome of the Big Bang event.
2. If god planned our universe, then he not only made the cosmos vastly too large for just US, but made our planet and existence look very much like chance instead.
3. Explain to us why god needed to make BILLIONS of galaxies, just to house US
@AtheistToothFairy "3. Explain to us why god needed to make BILLIONS of galaxies, just to house US..."
He can't. And he's likely to provide an explanation which acts more as a diversionary tactic than attempting to actually address the question at hand. That's one of the things the late Hitchens discussed. Theists will always find *some* way to spin-doctor their religious beliefs, irrespective to reality. He called it "an infinitely elastic airbag".
@OmegaCause:"Theists will always find *some* way to spin-doctor their religious beliefs, irrespective to reality"
Reality is like this huge obstacle to their weak minds and they'll do anything to avoid addressing this obstacle, all while in pursuit of their sick fantasy and unholy book
@AtheistToothFairy I can understand why they cling to such stories. They simply want something to believe in - something beyond and above them. Their beliefs give them hope and provide them comfort in the face of imminent death.
However, when they openly discuss their beliefs, they should expect that many will disagree with them, and state their reasons for doing so.
@OmegaCause:"However, when they openly discuss their beliefs, they should expect that many will disagree with them"
In my many years of debunking wild (woo woo) claims, I've discovered that people have no shame in presenting these crazy-ass idea on the net, as if one puts it in writing in a public forum means it has to be true. Go Figure
@OmegaCause One day Earth will perish - so they will have the answer to their fear, everything they've built their irrational fear/life around.
This is like the 13 year old that doesn't have the spine to get out on the dance floor with the opposite sex and risk your ego. You stand on the sidelines and mock those that do. Theists employ this same tactic in their adult life and shield their pathetic existences from reality.
If you go out and grab life by the throat - they really hate you.
@AtheistToothFairy I also like how you referred to the Bible as an unholy book, lol. To call something unholy is to admit that there are things that are holy. You're so religious, and that means you have a weak and feeble mind. You are so easily manipulated. Wake up and realise that your imaginary god is a myth, you deranged psychotic theist.
@SuperQweertyuiop:"To call something unholy is to admit that there are things that are holy"
You're so typical a theist, in that you can't fathom how we can argue from within the context of your own dogma.
There is nothing 'holy' or 'unholy' in reality, but xtians assume god is 'holy' (whatever that means) which is totally wrong given his history with people and our planet.
i.e. The bible ASSUMES certain things are 'holy'. I take the opposite stance
@AtheistToothFairy Bad stoopid troll victim, bad! Smart people don't respond to trolls. Also, don't you remember me? I have like, 10+ pages devoted to trolling you and some others on this video. You people are too easy!
@peterpulpitpounder ...The fingerprint of God is everywhere, starting with the very breath issuing forth from you mouth...
And ending with 250,000 people having their heads and bodies bashed by a million tons of debris - allowing the lungs to expel the very last breath from their mouth - via His standing stupidly and silently by as a tsunami inundated 2,600 miles of coastline?
"I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you, This is not a message of hate -- this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor." – Pat Robertson, on "gay days" at Disneyworld
And you ascribe the credit to God for this, correct? Let me ask you this: what's stopping me from simply saying that the mechanics behind breathing (which in no way resemble I.D) resulted from by evolutionary means, and not by an intelligent designer?
Would you also rightly give credit to God for also allowing children to be born with Klinefelter Syndrome? Does that bear the mark of intelligent designing?
I would say you are one ignorant and unlearned soul, duped, deceived and deluded. A steady diet of empty humanism has impaired your cognitive functions.
@peterpulpitpounder "I would say you are one ignorant and unlearned soul.."
Do you really believe throwing out red herrings further advances your argument? It doesn't. It only proves how flimsy and lacking your foundation really is.
"A steady diet of empty humanism..."
What leads you to believe that those who are agnostic or atheist are empty of humanism? Atheists can learn to appreciate the world, respect people, and live life no differently than a theist.
@peterpulpitpounder "And you want people to believe something came from nothing?..."
That's a very common canard made by theists who intend to misrepresent what we actually think. Who is claiming that "everything" arose out of "nothing"? Certainly not I nor any theist on this forum has ever even so much as hinted this.
If anything, proponents of I.D and creationism are the one's who are really saying everything was just conjured up out of ex nihilo.
And once again, neither I nor any atheist/agnostic here on this forum is asserting this. So your attacking a strawman.
"there must be a God..."
Neither I nor you knows this. You've already demonstrated that your willing to overlook what dispenses with or contradicts the idea that intelligent design is prevalent.
"you have not been endowed with powers to summon or dismiss spirits"
You gotta laugh at this stuff. Self delusion exemplar. Invoking magical nonsense then caveating that only works through special people is no different than admitting that it doesn't exist at all.
Such religious nonsense is just as dismissible as that of the scientologists, the witches, the muslims, and on and one.
Fantasy makes a great movie, but it makes the religious look plain stupid.
Do you really think a stated claim itself is it's own evidence? It isn't. A claim requires evidence to support it for it to be consider valid. Otherwise, it remains but a claim.
So are you going to make the claim that matter always existed? Do you believe this? And if so, where did it come from? Why don't you humble yourself and admit that your cognitive capacity is very small, and that your statements are made in ignorance, and that what is really going on here is a refusal on your part to acknowledge and SUBMIT to God. "Men love darkness rather than light, because their deeds are evil" (John 3).
Yes. According to the First Law of Thermodynamics, matter and energy are equivocal; neither can be 'created' (as proponents of intelligent design and creationism will suggest) or destroyed. Thus, the idea that matter has always existed is quite defensible with evidence. The theory has yet to be falsified, but that's not to say that it's impossible to falsify. If it weren't, it wouldn't be a theory.
It's yet to be known. So far what we believe to have caused this is two brane worlds colliding with one and another. However, there is nothing about introducing an uncaused designer into the equation that solves the enigma of why we are here, and why everything exists. The "god did it" answer is just an ad hoc way of attempting (and failing miserably) to resolve this quandary, by relying on a bad explanation then none at all.
Once a mystery is called upon as an "explanation", you cannot, if you favor intellectual honesty, prevent your opponent from using the exact same tactic against you. If you think you are not required to explain how God can exist without an antecedent, and you chalk it up as being currently unknowable, atheists or agnostics alike can do the exact same thing with the universe, and say that the universe had no antecedent, and that we do not need to inquire nor question how.
Religion's position on gays is remarkably contradictory, to boot. Why would a supposedly all-powerful god allow any being to corrupt a person's primal desire? Please oh please enlighten us oh all-knowing one.
@AdoptReality Simple. It's their dissuasive excuse. They can't cope with the reality that homosexuality is prevalent both among humans and animals in nature, and they define it as a deadly sin yet bother not to question why a God who is so abject and opposed to it's practice would allow these species to be born, or even influenced by nature (whatever their beliefs are) to engage in homosexual tendencies.
Actually, homosexuality is the child of human rebellion and suppression of divine revelation (see Romans 1). Man stepped out of the context of dependence on God, and within the context of selfish independence & pride fostered all kinds of evils, especially within the sexual realm. Sex is a gift from God to be enjoyed within the realm of a heterosexual marriage, but this gift has been perverted. Man is to blame, not God who made His will clear.
@ClearingStoneProphet Handy to design a planet so perfectly that it is mostly covered with undrinkable water with a cooling cracking crust. Go figure, there are frequent earthquakes so that no one ever knows for sure which ones were punishments for gay sex. Mr Owuor is the guy to ask apparently after Harold Camping proved he isn't really chatting with God. He's a fraud. Mr. Owuor is the real deal.
"...Mr Owuor is the guy to ask apparently after Harold Camping proved he isn't really chatting with God. He's a fraud. Mr. Owuor is the real deal..."
THE VISION GIVEN TO PROPHET OWUOR ABOUT THE EARTH SHAKING DESTRUCTION COMING TO THE U.S.A. FROM THE EASTERN SEABOARD IS NOT GUARANTEED TO OCCUR IF THE PEOPLE REPENT OF THE SEXUAL WICKEDNESS AND THE SPIRITUAL BACKSLIDDEN CONDITION. DO WHAT YOU WILL. JESUS CHRIST SPOKE IN HIS HOLY WORD ABOUT THE DREADFUL WORLD SORROWS.
IF MY(JESUS CHRIST) PEOPLE, WHICH ARE CALLED BY MY NAME(JESUS CHRIST), SHALL HUMBLE THEMSELVES, AND PRAY, AND SEEK MY(JESUS CHRIST) FACE, AND TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS; THEN WILL I(JESUS CHRIST) HEAR FROM HEAVEN, AND WILL FORGIVE THEIR SIN, AND WILL HEAL THEIR LAND.(2 Chronicles 7:14)
@ClearingStoneProphet Writing in all CAPS doesn't make your dogma more convincing or true. It only shows that you're too lazy to remember to use the "Shift" key when appropriate.
"...Writing in all CAPS doesn't make your dogma more convincing or true. It only shows that you're too lazy to remember to use the "Shift" key when appropriate..."
SERIOUS WARNING SIGNS ARE ALWAYS EXPRESSED IN CAPITAL LETTERS SO NO ONE CAN SAY THEY DIDN'T SEE THE WARNING.
AND JESUS ANSWERED AND SAID UNTO THEM, TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECEIVE YOU. FOR MANY SHALL COME IN MY NAME, SAYING, I AM CHRIST; AND SHALL DECEIVE MANY. AND YE SHALL HEAR OF WARS AND RUMOURS OF WARS: SEE THAT YE BE NOT TROUBLED: FOR ALL THESE THINGS MUST COME TO PASS, BUT THE END IS NOT YET. FOR NATION SHALL RISE AGAINST NATION, AND KINGDOM AGAINST KINGDOM: AND THERE SHALL BE FAMINES, PESTILENCES, AND EARTHQUAKES, IN DIVERS PLACES. ALL THESE ARE THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS.(Matthew 24:4-8)
THE PROPHETIC VISION OF ANOTHER GREAT EARTHQUAKE ON THE EASTERN SEABOARD OF THE U.S.A. WAS PRONOUNCED BY GOD(JESUS CHRIST) TO PROPHET OWUOR IN AFRICA ON SEPTEMBER 16, 2011.
BECAUSE OF THE OVERWHELMING SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY, GAY MARRIAGE, EVIL, AND COMPROMISING MONEY GRUBBING CROWD PLEASING PASTORS ALL OVER AMERICA IN HER CHURCHES.
UNLESS THERE IS A NATIONAL TURNBACK IN REPENTANCE TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST THIS PROPHETIC VISION OF DISASTER SHALL STRIKE THE U.S.A. EAST COAST. BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
Said by a theist: "".It's gross. Two men in the same bed? Yuck!"
A homosexual has no more control over their preference than you do over yours. Denying that fact is no different than denying any other well established fact of science. Sad, though, since it's the enlightenment of science that has furthered humanity so much.
"A homosexual has no more control over their preference than you do over yours."
Really? And who poisoned you with this line of thinking? If someone was nurtured in a particular vice or evil, does it make it right? Are you going to soften you stance against that vice, condone or accept it? Gay is gross, unnatural, against nature, and, most importantly, against God's original design and will.
@peterpulpitpounder "If someone was nurtured in a particular vice or evil, does it make it right?" No. However, it's clearly NOT 'evil'. It happens to be a sexual preference and should be none of your concern unless you're a homosexual.
It's really that simple.
"Gay is gross" ...don't do it, then.
"unnatural, against nature"...Wrong again. It seems that many, MANY species have homosexual relationships. In fact, some birds form lifelong monogamous homosexual pair bonds.
@AlanIsHarmony and the male lion kills all the cubs in a pride of lionesses he has just won from a rival male. i guess you think it would be ok for someone to kill the his stepchild. using the animal kingdom to get your moral standards is not the best place to get them.
@40something100 No. But he said it's unnatural and clearly it's not. Nor does it affect him or me. So what people do in the privacy of theor own homes is of no consequence.
Now, have I suggested anywhere that the animal kingdom is the place from which to get morals? You do realise that we didn't get our morals from the Bible, don't you?
@AlanIsHarmony but their activities have affected you and i, are you going to deny that it is through the hopmosexual community that the aids epidemic spread not that the disease was spawned by them but that it was spread by them. aids was almost exclusively a homosexual disease until it spread into the drug community and then into the hetrosexual world, which affects us all let alone the money we spend fighting the disease.how can you say it doesn't affect you or me.
@40something100 No, their activities don't affect me. I'm not a homosexual, so I run no risk of contracting AIDS. There are a number of diseases that spread by body fluids. However, it's utterly immoral to suggest that something they do, that brings them pleasure and is done with a consenting adult should be abstained from because it's in some way "immoral". That's the point and trying to derail the discussion by bringing in the cost of treatment shows your contemptible view.
@AlanIsHarmony so it's immoral to suggest that i should deem an activity inappropriate just because it brings pleasure to consenting adults, and who are you to tell me what is or isn't immoral? do you get to decide morality, no is it a popularity contest whereby morals are determined by consent of society? no.
@40something100 But the fact is that society has always and will always define morality. Your lack of morality revolves around the fact that you have an idea that you should be allowed to dictate who should have sex with whom.
@AlanIsHarmony if society defines morality then in effect there is no morality, only what is acceptale for now, it is constantly changing, and is being that is moraly bankrupt. i don't define morals i follow a predescribed set of values which is never changing, and not subject to societies views.
@40something100 "if society defines morality then in effect there is no morality". Precisely. As it always has been, but we design laws to produce the kind of society we desire. Always have.
"i follow a predescribed set of values ". Specifically, you follow a set of values that were made up by bronze age scribes, who were trying to instruct their own people on where their own morality originated. That alone should tell you how preposterous a concept it is.
@40something100 "it is constantly changing, and is being that is moraly bankrupt."
How so? Codes of ethics have *always* been changing and shifting. Not everything across cultures or even in the same neighborhood will be perceived in the same way. That's why even as of today laws are arbitrated. That's why slavery is no longer considered morally acceptable in most societies. Ethical dilemmas are never black-and-white and are very subjective, depending on an individual's perception of an issue.
Morals are a contract & agreement between 2 or more people about how to least trample on the others needs. Morals are a social construction. Societies make morals in order to maintain themselves. They COME from our shared physicality & facts about our nature like being vulnerable to physical harm either through direct attack to our body or to an attack to our peripheral support mechanisms (family property,etc) & what we can reasonably expect as compromise to avoid such harm.
@40something100 Incidentally, due to the suspected origins of the disease, it was initially spread by heterosexuals. So we'd still need to spend money to fight the disease.
Homosexuals have the same options as everyone else, which is to use protection.
It's against nature. You are suppressing the truth. A nut and bolt go together, not two bolts, if you get my drift. It's plain to see that your mind is so stained with filth, and your heart so encrusted with perversion, that you love what is evil and hate what is good. The Bible talks about people like you, who put light for darkness and darkness for light. I'd work on getting your head realigned, because it is seriously disjointed.
Okay - lets roll out the hit parade on suppressing the truth: Galileo under house arrest for 14 years, Salem "witches" being hung for making soap, and your brother in the faith Rev. Phelps mocking dead soldiers?
Truth is - would you - if you had the power - silence all paleontologists and subscribers (like me) to the theory of evolution and imprison those of differing sexual values?
@peterpulpitpounder "It's against nature". No it's not. I've explained quite clearly why you're wrong and just ignoring the explanation won't change the fact of the matter.
Homosexuality is widespread in the animal kingdom. Humans are animals. Get over it.
@peterpulpitpounder "The Bible talks about people like you...". But what the Bible says has no more relevance to me than does the Qur'an, nor the Baghavad Gita.
in short, the authors of the bible had no fucking clue, but were of their time. It is a book written for JEWS of the TIME. Not for non-Jews 3,000 years later.
You refuse to believe that one's attraction to the same sex is inherent is some people, solely because you think your god wouldn't make someone in a determinant manner to be attracted to the same sex, so it doesn't fit your twisted world view.
Deny it all you wish, but nature itself shows that you're dead wrong, but don't look outside your god-bubble, because reality is SCARY SHIT huh?
"And who poisoned you with this line of thinking?"
Science and sound research. Oh yeah, you believe religious text over science.
Forget the science, do you REALLY think that someone would CHOOSE being different in that way? How do you explain the majority of gays not even admitting it?
This repressive attitude is why such pompous, arrogant, science-denying effort must be fought for free civilization to ever advance beyond its barbaric roots.
So, if someone is born with a bent to steal, or with a bent toward incest, or with a bent toward child molestation, than these acts are okay? What is someone says, "I was born this way, and you are blaming me for desires that are part of my essence and nature." I mean, how are you going to answer this? Guess what? You don't have a good answer, and it's because atheism has no moral foundation. You are forced to admit that anything goes in this life.
@peterpulpitpounder "if someone is born with a bent to steal, or with a bent toward incest, or with a bent toward child molestation, than these acts are okay". No. Because we, as a society, define what we want of a society and deem these things unlawful.
The things you mention are a direct infringement on the rights of other individuals, so you're not comparing like with like.
"...anything goes in this life". It could do, but as a society, we don't let "anything go".
@peterpulpitpounder ...and, most importantly, against God's original design and will...
Like foreskin? Like the human appendix? Vestigial human ear muscles? (boy - that was a great creation, oh Lord!)
In-as-much as humans designed God and that image only held power though obedience and slavery to human ideals - the whole subject smells like a backed up and over flowing cesspool.
Again - fuck all religion and those that enforce it.
@MrTubetown Communism practiced anti-theism as a practical matter of it's survival. We often use the word atheism when we are more accurate to say ant-theism. Lack of belief in the claims of theists is not a philosophy that informs communism. Communism is an artificial social construct that requires "buy in" and if not, subservience and obedience.
"Spiritualy dead and inept beings like yourself need to worry about the dead"
I've invited one of your supposedly powerful spirits to do SOMETHING to me that is obviously caused by the spirit and nothing EVER happens. Hmmm. Just like these spirits don't exist. In fact, during my 30 years of praying for things I finally came out of my blind stupor and realized that the reason these prayers never affected anything was that the whole thing is pure, non-evidenced superstition!
@AdoptReality: Re: "I inviged one of your supposedly powerful spirits to do SOMETHING...."
Dearie, you have not been endowed with powers to summon or dismiss anyone or anything in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Simon the sorcerer also nursed such lofty ideals and was denied. He was rebuked and unlike you, repented. You are an blaspheming apostate. You should've stayed in Church.
Invoking your magical nonsense then saying it only works through special people is no different than admitting that it doesn't exist at all.
So thanks for fessing up what we know all along, your religious nonsense is just as dismissible as that of the scientologists, the witches, the muslims, and on and one.
Fantasy makes a great movie, but it makes you just look plain stupid. Sorry dear.
Lionel, who said spiritual gifts don't work?Not I, for sure! Spiritual gifts cannot be sought or grasped; they are divinely bestowed and not to magnify the individual possessing the gift but to enhance the ministry - for the edification of the Church.You are devil's advocate and as such, not endowed with any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit bestowed upon the Church of Jesus Christ.You have forsaken and abused the Church. Ungrateful!
Ah yes. The "gift" of being absent in the face of a killer epidemic resulting in millions of deaths, and even a greater number of families torn. Let's give thanks to God for staying true to his asinine and pointless "plan" of redemption.
How can that be, when neither he nor I believe in the devil?
"not endowed with any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit..."
What "gifts"? The gift of complete obfuscation between the thousands of Christian groups who can't seem to come to an agreement on which group holds the superior rendering of God's one, unalterable and amenable word?
@OmegaCause:"The gift of complete obfuscation between the thousands of Christian groups who can't seem to come to an agreement........God's one, unalterable and amenable word?
This response is way off base; it's irrelevant to the subject matter. Try again.
Yes, and He created you, giving you the liberty to spout of mockery and evil without "immediate" consequences. So your point is well taken, unto your own favor. Now I suggest you repent BEFORE facing the same end as those who in history mocked their Creator.
@peterpulpitpounder "Yes, and He created you...". Evidence of his existence, please?
This is fantastic, because now, you can sure MrTubetown just why many atheists think that the likes of you are idiots.
"Now I suggest you repent BEFORE facing the same end as those who in history mocked their Creator". What? Dead you mean? Like we are all going to be?
@Iconoclast444: 'Will there be the "free will" to sin in heaven or will you be as granny said, "God's robot"?'
Once more desperation has set in! Youve resorted to spin and outright lying again! Lying has become a habit to you. Your motto seems to be: "When I'm stumped and all else fails - lie like hell". Phony!
@Iconoclast444: "....he creates beings that can sin and then blames them when they do."
Oh the dignity and privilege of having choice! You seem unable to assimilate the concept of "free choice". God could have made us automatons like the programmed robots we idolize and rave about on the screens (satan's diabolical imitations of man). We are free-willed beings with knowledge of the consequences of our choices. Life or death.
Nope. Sin entered the world via Adam's transgression. His failed headship brought these detriment of the sin nature upon his posterity. We see many examples of this today, especially in the physical realm. A father smokes around his children, and they get asthma, or even cancer. He swears and displays lack of self-control, and his children grow up adopting the same. Our action have consequences. Ever thought about this? You should.
@peterpulpitpounder "Our action have consequences. Ever thought about this?"
I don't drink, smoke, use drugs, or habitual use "profanities" (only on youtube at an occasional so-called Christian). I only have a couple of traffic tickets from 40 years of driving, I've never cheated on my wife in 35 years of marriage, not because of your god/bible but because of thinking about consequences. BUT I guess will go to hell because I don't believe the bible's outrageous story eh?
@peterpulpitpounder how does an asshole 6000 years ago eating a fruit make it so that all animals have to die or eat eachother or suffer disease etc. Bullshit.
Evolution explains death disease and deformity perfectly well with no need to say children deserve to die because of some stupid curse god put on them because of their great^32 grandfather.
My judgement is not based on human reason or fleshly impulses, but upon the expressed standard of God. You sound just like the warped and ungodly construction workers I used to work with years ago, who perverted and warped everything. Their minds were clouded. To them nothing was pure. They made a dirty joke out of everything. Yup, they were atheists too, real outstanding citizens!
So in God's "standard," it's perfectly reasonable to sit on his hands and be conspicuously absent while millions of his devout followers die agonizing deaths, due to having to cope with a deadly epidemic (i.e, the Black Death); many crying out to their lord to aid them and spare their families, all of whom were subsequently ignored?
It's all part of his elaborate, unnecessary "plan," right? Boy, I can't wait!
@peterpulpitpounder "My judgement is not based on human reason or fleshly impulses"
Then why did you say "yuck"?
You can't tell me you don't have desires Peter.... If you're a heterosexual male you will naturally on occasion "check out" or think about various attractive females. Even though the Jesus character forbid you not to lust after another person "in you heart" you still do because you can't help it.
Even if it is gross or "yuck", any person with an ounce of decency, could not come up with a compelling justification, why such behavior should earn the people engaging in it, a societally codified death penalty. Could anyone, outside of the context of a religion, feel that this is a just consequence?
@yankinCanada Could anyone, outside of the context of a religion, feel that this is a just consequence?
Not even close. As in Iran (a country stuck in the 9th Cen.) it's easy. And really, isn't that the core of the argument in this forum? Atheists: tolerant of the unusual and appreciative of some fairly outrageous art & music forms, and Theists: trying desperately to maintain that old time religion and the pure glee that comes with watching someone burn at the stake and that odd chicken smell.
Why won't ppp be disgusted about two women performing the abominables? When we speak of homosexuality it's in reference to this unnatural practice by both genders.
You mentioned earlier that after 35 years of marriage you've never "looked" at another woman. That's odd - unless you're blind in both eyes or gay. How many men have you ogled lecherously? Iconoclast - the Gay Advocate.
@grannyvonng I guess you've never ogled another man the whole time you were married huh? Regardless of what Matthew 5:27 -28 says, there's still a lot of difference between checking out, looking at another woman/man and actually going all the way,
@grannyvonng Peterpulpitpounder typed: "Two men in one bed yuck" and I responded with: "You only feel that way because you're heterosexual. I bet you wouldn't be as disgusted with two women."
@AtheistToothFairy Sure, there is one part of Satan that even the most hardcore Atheist can SEE. That is EVIL. The Evil that drives Murders to Kill, Destroy. The Evil in Child-Molesters and Killers. This TANGIBLE EVIL WITNESS by many is driven by Satan. Also, if you want more... "Accidental" tragic Death is also caused by Him. -Hosea 4:6 That knowledge is How to prologue your natural life to its fullest by Resiting the Devil/Evil Forces.
@ExtantFrodo2 That torture is from Satan's Demons who are led by Satan. In the end Satan will be cast to Hell, right now he rules the world, this is because he took the authority frm Adam - Those who reject GOD are doing the very thing Satan did, and those who Do Evil are doing the everything Satan does. This world's Justice System punishes only
@grannyvonng Sorry granny, I needed to form my question better because you like to misunderstand them on purpose. If god is not appeased what problem(s) does that cause for god? Insomnia?, anxiety attacks?, impotency? Clouded thinking or confusion? Loss of night vision? Seriously, if god goes unappeased what is the peril for HIM?
yankinCanada 45 minutes ago
atheists push people away from faith ,in return they give the emptiness of heart and nothing .They think they are wise,pride ,and that they are owe everything of themselves ,that rose from nothing and later they will be nothing again :-)) ,,The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall .goodness and love ,wisdom does not come from nothingness. START from ,,The Divine Mercy Devotion? - EWTN ,, find it on google
kongo4527 3 hours ago
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@kongo4527 "atheists push people away from faith". If only it were that simple.
"in return they give the emptiness of heart and nothing". How do you know?
"They think they are wise,pride ,and that they are owe everything of themselves ,that rose from nothing and later they will be nothing again :-)) ". You put a smiley after a nonsense sentence. Bizarre!
"The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."" Quoting the Bible isn't compelling, you know.
AlanIsHarmony 2 hours ago
@kongo4527
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Leaving religion, which is simply one particular superstition, let me remove the blinders. I now revel in the freedom to explore reality as it is rather than how my religion allows it. No more must I deny so many fundamental facts of science, or feel compelled to "convert" those around me.
Realizing there is no god, at least as described by religion, has been the most refreshing experience of my life!
AdoptReality 1 hour ago
Life is short, do you think you know everything?One day when your life will end,(Imagine simply, such a day )you will have? many questions and fears .search path of truth and life, now when you have time .Be smart !Eternal life is found only in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world .You can start searching truth :,,A DYING MANS LAST WORDS, A MESSAGE FROM GOD on you tube A Muslim's Conversion to Christianity - Part 2 .etc please search !!!
kongo4527 3 hours ago
@kongo4527 "do you think you know everything". No, that seems to be the view held by the religious.
"One day when your life will end". We know.
"Eternal life is found only in the Lord Jesus Christ". Who?
"A Muslim's Conversion to Christianity - Part 2 .etc please search ". Why?
AlanIsHarmony 2 hours ago
@kongo4527
No thank you. From one superstition to another. I've noticed that Christians fear death as much as everybody else. That's not surprising--as a Christian, I feared death, too, mostly because I love life so much. Now that I realize Christianity's god is no more likely than Scientology's, my feelings of death are no different.
Ask yourself this simple question about your religion: is there sound, empirical evidence for it? That's what matters. Lets live in truth.
AdoptReality 1 hour ago
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.. Divine Mercy Chaplet - 3 O'clock Prayer,, or ,, DIVINE MERCY MIRACLES. PT 1 OF 6,, Famous atheists last words before dying. ,, or ,,Disproving Atheists in 82 seconds ,, on you tube !!!!!check it
kongo4527 3 hours ago
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SuperQweertyuiop 13 hours ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
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AtheistToothFairy 12 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy Congrats on being the one person stupid enough to respond to an obvious troll :)
SuperQweertyuiop 12 hours ago
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@SuperQweertyuiop
"Congrats on being the one person stupid enough to respond to an obvious troll"
Congrats on being stupid enough to be a troll.
FourDeuce01 9 hours ago 2
"In the beginning God created..." Now we are talking!
In other words, folks, he believes in magic. Nothing complicated -- that would require thought, and logic, and effort. Nope. "poof" is good enough for this religious ignoramus.
AdoptReality 14 hours ago
Here's a quote from a so called "intelligent" atheist:
"The transition nothing-to-something is a natural one, not requiring any external agent."
Wow, if this isn't the epitome of absolute human stupidity and ignorance, I don't know what is.
"Dare wuz dis vacume, ware dare wuz nuttin, and den dare waz all of sudden sumtin, and dat my fwends is dah buety of it awl."
"In the beginning God created..." Now we are talking!
peterpulpitpounder 14 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder Clearly they must have more reasoning behind that one sentence, and if not then it doesn't matter. Even if we don't have a solid idea on what happened, it doesn't make your God any more believable.
misterhat144 14 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder
What you're soughing off is comes from evidence and advanced math. It's the same science that puts rockets in orbit and cell phones in in hand yet you cast it aside in favor of you religious gibberish, devoid of any evidence whatsoever.
So sad.
You're the hick in the science lab "waz dis vacume, I don't belief if no vacume..."
Keep on regurgitating your ignorant bullshit and we'll happily keep laughing.
AdoptReality 14 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder
So let me get this straight. Because we don't yet have definitive answer to where it all came from, beyond the Big Bang, that somehow manages to twist your arm into believing that some unevidenced 'god' surely must be behind it?
Yet, you have no issues in believing that this god 'always was', but find it impossible for simpler things to have always been around in some form or another?
RIGHT!!
AtheistToothFairy 14 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy ...that somehow manages to twist your arm into believing that some unevidenced 'god' surely must be behind it?...
That's the legacy of the easily led.
One of the cylinders of the religious engine. And if one of it's pistons has a hole in it - the Theist eternal engine won't run.
Fear.
Obedience.
Soft Headedness.
Limited Questioning.
Pointless Tithing.
(The other cylinders of their very meek engine for Jesus.)
DarwinsFriend 11 hours ago
@DarwinsFriend:"Fear.
Obedience.
Soft Headedness.
Limited Questioning.
Pointless Tithing.
(The other cylinders of their very meek engine for Jesus.)"
Very good!
p.s. It was marked as spam :(
AtheistToothFairy 8 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "In the beginning God created..." Now we are talking!"
A shame your book of miracles doesn't delve so deeply into the explanation on *how* God went about creating everything. I wonder why?
Your Bible would be that much more reliable if it actually had such explanations. That would count as circumstantial evidence in favor of what it attempts to put forward. The fact that ti doesn't further suggest that the stories compiled in it are human invention.
OmegaCause 13 hours ago
@OmegaCause *it
OmegaCause 13 hours ago
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@peterpulpitpounder ...Now we are talking!...
No - just you. Somebody wrote it down - long ago and far away - and your ancestors fell for the Shell Game of the Stupid. End of Story. Schmuck Fail to the Max.
DarwinsFriend 11 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder ""Dare wuz dis vacume, ware dare wuz nuttin"". You do realise that even in a vacuum, there is an enormous amount of activity going on, don't you?
AlanIsHarmony 4 hours ago
THE PROOF OF THE AUTHENTICITY OF A PROPHET OF JESUS CHRIST IS WHEN THE PROPHET PROCLAIMS A VISION THAT " WILL " COME TO PASS AND IT DOES. CERTAIN VISIONS GIVEN TO A PROPHET OF THE LORD ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO OCCUR IF THE VISION INCLUDES THE WORDS " THE PEOPLE MUST REPENT OF ..." AND THE PEOPLE RESPOND IN REPENTANCE. ANYONE PREDICTING THE DAY OF THE RAPTURE ARE TO BE IGNORED BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST CLEARLY SAID NO ONE KNOWS THAT DAY EXCEPT GOD HIMSELF.
ClearingStoneProphet 17 hours ago
@40something100
I don't see how it's *any* of your business to involve yourself between two consenting adults, and nor do I see that they owe you any explanation behind their homosexuality. Mind your own business.
OmegaCause 20 hours ago
@OmegaCause
It's gross, plain and simple.
peterpulpitpounder 17 hours ago
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@peterpulpitpounder ...It's gross, plain and simple...
Well (and to your credit) you got the last word right.
DarwinsFriend 17 hours ago
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@peterpulpitpounder:"It's gross, plain and simple."
That is purely an emotional response on your part, which is no more valid than insisting that turnips should be banned because you find their taste "gross"
AtheistToothFairy 17 hours ago 3
@40something100 "if society defines morality then in effect there is no morality...".
Wrong. If religion has no authority on morals, than morality then becomes subjective. It's always been subjective. Christians, even diehard fundamentalists arbitrate between competing moral values, picking/choosing which preachment's to follow and which to disregard. Slavery and slave trading at one point was considered fine, now it's not. The principles tend to change and shift as society itself does.
OmegaCause 20 hours ago
@grannyvonng
Really? So you think homosexuality, if left alone, would result in the demise of our species?
The number of humans who exist on earth today exceeds that of seven billion. The contended number of homosexuals being in such a minority that they could not even have any effect on the collapse of humanity whatsoever. So your stand along with Pope Benedict's stance that the gay community will reduce the population so significantly that we'll face extinction is absolutely asinine.
OmegaCause 20 hours ago
@OmegaCause ...So you think homosexuality, if left alone, would result in the demise of our species?...
No more than oral and anal sex has between heterosexuals.
DarwinsFriend 17 hours ago
@40something100 Consenting adults don't owe your opinion any consideration when their behavior behind closed doors, can't be shown by you, to be detrimental to others or to degrade the society so much that we would stoop to taking away the liberty of others to pursue their own happiness. It affects YOU so little and you are so impotent to change it to your preference you are coming off as nothing better than a bigot.
yankinCanada 20 hours ago
@grannyvonng
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Most preachers would tell you that birth is a miracle, and this miracle of course occurs 358,192 times per day (quite common, obviously). Of course, these preachers and adherents of theism will say as such, because they stand by the assumption that a supernatural soul has taken corporeal form despite having no evidence of such. Do they also define infants born with deadly genetic abnormalities, in which they nor the parent can be at fault over also as a miracle? No. Of course not.
OmegaCause 20 hours ago
@OmegaCause
Technically speaking, birth is not a miracle, but a wondrous and glorious occurrence. I would say that "most" preachers, if dubbing it as such, apply the term very loosely. A miracle is when God suspends natural law and performs something supernatural, so as to confirm, substantiate or mark out something. Miracles have been the rarity over the course of human history.
peterpulpitpounder 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder:"birth is not a miracle, but a wondrous and glorious occurrence"
How is a birth, which is so COMMON, something to be considered "glorious"???
AtheistToothFairy 17 hours ago
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@peterpulpitpounder
What silly reasoning. Let me ask you this: If heaven is a place where people do not suffer, and it is a place of eternal happiness, are we then made into 'robots' in heaven? No. Christians will not only argue that our freewill remains intact in heaven, but even God possesses freewill. So there's no contradiction in saying that we *could* have been created with freewill, and also having no desire to commit a wrong simultaneously.
OmegaCause 16 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder So it logically follows that if an omnipotent God can both preserve freewill and eliminate the problem of evil (i.e as he apparently does in heaven), and the fact that he chooses not to do so here, suggests to me that either this God does not exist, or, he is inherently sinister to a fault.
So, which side do you veer towards?
OmegaCause 16 hours ago
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@peterpulpitpounder Humanity has thrived and gone a far ways out of our own prowess, and not because of a god. You can't give credit to God for all the good things that humankind benefits from, if you aren't prepared to also give credit to God for all that does not benefit us. The 'freewill' argument does nothing to explain nor justify why we suffer, and why reality is, more often than not, unkind to us (i.e, it's neutral).
OmegaCause 16 hours ago
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@peterpulpitpounder "Technically speaking, birth is not a miracle, but a wondrous and glorious occurrence..."
And, not all births have a good story to it. Many births end up not happening, or, if fortunate enough, happen, but the infant that is born suffers from a genetic or congenital illness that either makes living incredibly challenging, or impossible. Children born with sickle-cell anemia often don't survive past the age of 5. Where and how does your god justify this?
OmegaCause 16 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "A miracle is when God suspends natural law and performs something supernatural.."
Which hasn't happened, since there hasn't been a single instance that we know of where the natural order of things were suspended. So according to your definition of what a "miracle" constitutes, it doesn't happen. Instead, you have testimonials from men who attest that such miraculous wonders did in fact occur. Let me ask you this: why are these events no longer happening?
OmegaCause 16 hours ago
@OmegaCause
Okay, so let me see how this works. Let's say you experience a legitimate miracle from God. Let's say you have a grossly oversize nose, which has caused you embarrassment since preschool, and God reshapes it instantly. Your whole family and community rejoice. A hundred years pass, and someone hears about what happened and says, "That's a fairy tale." Did it then not happen? Unfortunately, you did not live in the days of Christ, and were not an eyewitness of His power.
peterpulpitpounder 15 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder
My answer would be simply that if someone truly experienced what you would call a "suspension" of natural law, and then testified to this, and if people doubted as such, then they're doubt is perfectly reasonable. A revelation was made not to them, but to someone else.
OmegaCause 13 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder I did say that based on your rendition of what makes a "miracle" a miracle, the suspension of reality as far as we know it, hasn't happened. Odd how such miraculous wonders transpired thousands of years ago, and yet with the progression of science and innovation these miraculous wonders apparently, can no longer be seen. Why is that? That to me suggests that the miracles and testimonials of men during that age were likely exaggerated and embellished.
OmegaCause 13 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder Furthermore, I'm not interested in the testimonials of people who converted to a religion, even if these converts before were atheists. Everyone has instances of weakness in which emotion overrides reason. So if you intend to try to convince me, why not begin by explaining what logic and evidence persuaded you to join in the first place. If you're unable to do this, then your testimony as well as those centuries/millennia removed will be ineffectual to me.
OmegaCause 13 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "...and God reshapes it instantly...Did it then not happen?"
No, because such features don't get reshaped instantly, except through natural forces such as motor accidents. Such reshaping doesn't usually result in desirable features.
"Unfortunately, you did not live in the days of Christ, and were not an eyewitness of His power". Strangely enough, I am yet to learn of a single reliable eyewitness to Christ.
AlanIsHarmony 4 hours ago
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@grannyvonng
There have been periods in history where academic advances have be stunted for long durations, or even reversed. The reason for that can usually be summed up with one word; religion.
OmegaCause 20 hours ago 3
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DarwinsFriend 16 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder
While it would be completely sensible to assume there is no god, I don't, and nor do I need to. There simply is no reason to believe that a god exists. There has never been a single credible proponent of theism, because there has never been a single argument of evidence which would support any of the claims presented which would support their theism. The claims espoused, since antiquity, have been unsupportable and untestable, and remain so.
OmegaCause 20 hours ago
@OmegaCause
That's the most ridiculous, confined and unwarranted claim I've ever heard. The fingerprint of God is everywhere, starting with the very breath issuing forth from you mouth. And you want people to believe something came from nothing? I mean that's what atheism must affirm and accept, and it is a premise of the most ridiculous sort. Life cannot come from nothingness.
In the end we are all forced to admit that there must be a God. You WILL admit this someday.
peterpulpitpounder 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder:"The fingerprint of God is everywhere"
To the contrary, you guys invented your god, then cherry pick the world to find anything that would fit your unsupported paradigm, asserting that nature is proof of your god.
Talk about doing things totally ass-backwards
AtheistToothFairy 17 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy
The heavens declare his glory.
peterpulpitpounder 15 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder:"The heavens declare his glory"
1. The "heavens" clearly indicate a non-planned theme, but instead a very NATURAL outcome of the Big Bang event.
2. If god planned our universe, then he not only made the cosmos vastly too large for just US, but made our planet and existence look very much like chance instead.
3. Explain to us why god needed to make BILLIONS of galaxies, just to house US
AtheistToothFairy 14 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy "3. Explain to us why god needed to make BILLIONS of galaxies, just to house US..."
He can't. And he's likely to provide an explanation which acts more as a diversionary tactic than attempting to actually address the question at hand. That's one of the things the late Hitchens discussed. Theists will always find *some* way to spin-doctor their religious beliefs, irrespective to reality. He called it "an infinitely elastic airbag".
OmegaCause 13 hours ago
@OmegaCause:"Theists will always find *some* way to spin-doctor their religious beliefs, irrespective to reality"
Reality is like this huge obstacle to their weak minds and they'll do anything to avoid addressing this obstacle, all while in pursuit of their sick fantasy and unholy book
AtheistToothFairy 13 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy I can understand why they cling to such stories. They simply want something to believe in - something beyond and above them. Their beliefs give them hope and provide them comfort in the face of imminent death.
However, when they openly discuss their beliefs, they should expect that many will disagree with them, and state their reasons for doing so.
OmegaCause 13 hours ago
@OmegaCause:"However, when they openly discuss their beliefs, they should expect that many will disagree with them"
In my many years of debunking wild (woo woo) claims, I've discovered that people have no shame in presenting these crazy-ass idea on the net, as if one puts it in writing in a public forum means it has to be true. Go Figure
AtheistToothFairy 13 hours ago
@OmegaCause One day Earth will perish - so they will have the answer to their fear, everything they've built their irrational fear/life around.
This is like the 13 year old that doesn't have the spine to get out on the dance floor with the opposite sex and risk your ego. You stand on the sidelines and mock those that do. Theists employ this same tactic in their adult life and shield their pathetic existences from reality.
If you go out and grab life by the throat - they really hate you.
DarwinsFriend 11 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy I also like how you referred to the Bible as an unholy book, lol. To call something unholy is to admit that there are things that are holy. You're so religious, and that means you have a weak and feeble mind. You are so easily manipulated. Wake up and realise that your imaginary god is a myth, you deranged psychotic theist.
SuperQweertyuiop 11 hours ago
@SuperQweertyuiop:"To call something unholy is to admit that there are things that are holy"
You're so typical a theist, in that you can't fathom how we can argue from within the context of your own dogma.
There is nothing 'holy' or 'unholy' in reality, but xtians assume god is 'holy' (whatever that means) which is totally wrong given his history with people and our planet.
i.e. The bible ASSUMES certain things are 'holy'. I take the opposite stance
AtheistToothFairy 11 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy You are an idiot. I was trolling you. I even admitted to trolling you. Why are you still responding? lol
SuperQweertyuiop 10 hours ago
@SuperQweertyuiop:"I even admitted to trolling you. Why are you still responding?"
Just because you're an obvious troll, doesn't mean a Fundie wouldn't take make some of the same stupid arguments that you, the troll did
AtheistToothFairy 8 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy Bad stoopid troll victim, bad! Smart people don't respond to trolls. Also, don't you remember me? I have like, 10+ pages devoted to trolling you and some others on this video. You people are too easy!
SuperQweertyuiop 7 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder ...The fingerprint of God is everywhere, starting with the very breath issuing forth from you mouth...
And ending with 250,000 people having their heads and bodies bashed by a million tons of debris - allowing the lungs to expel the very last breath from their mouth - via His standing stupidly and silently by as a tsunami inundated 2,600 miles of coastline?
DarwinsFriend 16 hours ago
@DarwinsFriend God evidently knows where wicked people choose to vacation.
AlanIsHarmony 16 hours ago
@AlanIsHarmony Yeah - Pat thinks so too.
"I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you, This is not a message of hate -- this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor." – Pat Robertson, on "gay days" at Disneyworld
DarwinsFriend 16 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "The fingerprint of God is everywhere.."
If what I say can be dismissed as being ridiculous, then show me how.
OmegaCause 15 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "starting with the very breath..."
And you ascribe the credit to God for this, correct? Let me ask you this: what's stopping me from simply saying that the mechanics behind breathing (which in no way resemble I.D) resulted from by evolutionary means, and not by an intelligent designer?
Would you also rightly give credit to God for also allowing children to be born with Klinefelter Syndrome? Does that bear the mark of intelligent designing?
OmegaCause 15 hours ago
@OmegaCause
I would say you are one ignorant and unlearned soul, duped, deceived and deluded. A steady diet of empty humanism has impaired your cognitive functions.
peterpulpitpounder 15 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "I would say you are one ignorant and unlearned soul.."
Do you really believe throwing out red herrings further advances your argument? It doesn't. It only proves how flimsy and lacking your foundation really is.
"A steady diet of empty humanism..."
What leads you to believe that those who are agnostic or atheist are empty of humanism? Atheists can learn to appreciate the world, respect people, and live life no differently than a theist.
OmegaCause 13 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "And you want people to believe something came from nothing?..."
That's a very common canard made by theists who intend to misrepresent what we actually think. Who is claiming that "everything" arose out of "nothing"? Certainly not I nor any theist on this forum has ever even so much as hinted this.
If anything, proponents of I.D and creationism are the one's who are really saying everything was just conjured up out of ex nihilo.
OmegaCause 15 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "Life cannot come from nothingness..."
And once again, neither I nor any atheist/agnostic here on this forum is asserting this. So your attacking a strawman.
"there must be a God..."
Neither I nor you knows this. You've already demonstrated that your willing to overlook what dispenses with or contradicts the idea that intelligent design is prevalent.
"You WILL admit this someday..."
Apparently, you know me better than I do.
OmegaCause 15 hours ago
@OmegaCause
If there is no God, no Creator, why is there something rather than nothing?
peterpulpitpounder 15 hours ago
"you have not been endowed with powers to summon or dismiss spirits"
You gotta laugh at this stuff. Self delusion exemplar. Invoking magical nonsense then caveating that only works through special people is no different than admitting that it doesn't exist at all.
Such religious nonsense is just as dismissible as that of the scientologists, the witches, the muslims, and on and one.
Fantasy makes a great movie, but it makes the religious look plain stupid.
AdoptReality 20 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "Yes, and He created you...".
Do you really think a stated claim itself is it's own evidence? It isn't. A claim requires evidence to support it for it to be consider valid. Otherwise, it remains but a claim.
OmegaCause 20 hours ago
@OmegaCause
So are you going to make the claim that matter always existed? Do you believe this? And if so, where did it come from? Why don't you humble yourself and admit that your cognitive capacity is very small, and that your statements are made in ignorance, and that what is really going on here is a refusal on your part to acknowledge and SUBMIT to God. "Men love darkness rather than light, because their deeds are evil" (John 3).
You love darkness. That much is clear.
peterpulpitpounder 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder:"are you going to make the claim that matter always existed?"
Matter itself.....Not necessarily, but something very elemental that started the process of matter forming.
This is far more reasonable, than some super complex creator coming out of nowhere
AtheistToothFairy 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "matter always existed?"
Yes. According to the First Law of Thermodynamics, matter and energy are equivocal; neither can be 'created' (as proponents of intelligent design and creationism will suggest) or destroyed. Thus, the idea that matter has always existed is quite defensible with evidence. The theory has yet to be falsified, but that's not to say that it's impossible to falsify. If it weren't, it wouldn't be a theory.
OmegaCause 15 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "where did it come from?"
It's yet to be known. So far what we believe to have caused this is two brane worlds colliding with one and another. However, there is nothing about introducing an uncaused designer into the equation that solves the enigma of why we are here, and why everything exists. The "god did it" answer is just an ad hoc way of attempting (and failing miserably) to resolve this quandary, by relying on a bad explanation then none at all.
OmegaCause 15 hours ago
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Once a mystery is called upon as an "explanation", you cannot, if you favor intellectual honesty, prevent your opponent from using the exact same tactic against you. If you think you are not required to explain how God can exist without an antecedent, and you chalk it up as being currently unknowable, atheists or agnostics alike can do the exact same thing with the universe, and say that the universe had no antecedent, and that we do not need to inquire nor question how.
OmegaCause 15 hours ago
Religion's position on gays is remarkably contradictory, to boot. Why would a supposedly all-powerful god allow any being to corrupt a person's primal desire? Please oh please enlighten us oh all-knowing one.
AdoptReality 20 hours ago
@AdoptReality Simple. It's their dissuasive excuse. They can't cope with the reality that homosexuality is prevalent both among humans and animals in nature, and they define it as a deadly sin yet bother not to question why a God who is so abject and opposed to it's practice would allow these species to be born, or even influenced by nature (whatever their beliefs are) to engage in homosexual tendencies.
OmegaCause 20 hours ago
@AdoptReality
Actually, homosexuality is the child of human rebellion and suppression of divine revelation (see Romans 1). Man stepped out of the context of dependence on God, and within the context of selfish independence & pride fostered all kinds of evils, especially within the sexual realm. Sex is a gift from God to be enjoyed within the realm of a heterosexual marriage, but this gift has been perverted. Man is to blame, not God who made His will clear.
peterpulpitpounder 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder:" Sex is a gift from God"
Quite the opposite, as sex is the tool nature uses to ensure that a species keeps going
AtheistToothFairy 17 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy And if it was a gift - women wouldn't have diamonds and 14 pairs of black shoes.
DarwinsFriend 16 hours ago
@DarwinsFriend:"And if it was a gift - women wouldn't have diamonds and 14 pairs of black shoes"
Not to mention a giant closet full of clothes that only get wore ONCE ;)
AtheistToothFairy 16 hours ago
@ClearingStoneProphet Handy to design a planet so perfectly that it is mostly covered with undrinkable water with a cooling cracking crust. Go figure, there are frequent earthquakes so that no one ever knows for sure which ones were punishments for gay sex. Mr Owuor is the guy to ask apparently after Harold Camping proved he isn't really chatting with God. He's a fraud. Mr. Owuor is the real deal.
yankinCanada 21 hours ago
@yankinCanada Mr. Owuor is the real deal.
Well, of course!
AlanIsHarmony 20 hours ago
@yankinCanada
"...Mr Owuor is the guy to ask apparently after Harold Camping proved he isn't really chatting with God. He's a fraud. Mr. Owuor is the real deal..."
THE VISION GIVEN TO PROPHET OWUOR ABOUT THE EARTH SHAKING DESTRUCTION COMING TO THE U.S.A. FROM THE EASTERN SEABOARD IS NOT GUARANTEED TO OCCUR IF THE PEOPLE REPENT OF THE SEXUAL WICKEDNESS AND THE SPIRITUAL BACKSLIDDEN CONDITION. DO WHAT YOU WILL. JESUS CHRIST SPOKE IN HIS HOLY WORD ABOUT THE DREADFUL WORLD SORROWS.
ClearingStoneProphet 17 hours ago
IF MY(JESUS CHRIST) PEOPLE, WHICH ARE CALLED BY MY NAME(JESUS CHRIST), SHALL HUMBLE THEMSELVES, AND PRAY, AND SEEK MY(JESUS CHRIST) FACE, AND TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS; THEN WILL I(JESUS CHRIST) HEAR FROM HEAVEN, AND WILL FORGIVE THEIR SIN, AND WILL HEAL THEIR LAND.(2 Chronicles 7:14)
ClearingStoneProphet 21 hours ago
@ClearingStoneProphet Writing in all CAPS doesn't make your dogma more convincing or true. It only shows that you're too lazy to remember to use the "Shift" key when appropriate.
coyoteself 21 hours ago in playlist Atheism/Religion
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"...Writing in all CAPS doesn't make your dogma more convincing or true. It only shows that you're too lazy to remember to use the "Shift" key when appropriate..."
SERIOUS WARNING SIGNS ARE ALWAYS EXPRESSED IN CAPITAL LETTERS SO NO ONE CAN SAY THEY DIDN'T SEE THE WARNING.
ClearingStoneProphet 21 hours ago
AND JESUS ANSWERED AND SAID UNTO THEM, TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECEIVE YOU. FOR MANY SHALL COME IN MY NAME, SAYING, I AM CHRIST; AND SHALL DECEIVE MANY. AND YE SHALL HEAR OF WARS AND RUMOURS OF WARS: SEE THAT YE BE NOT TROUBLED: FOR ALL THESE THINGS MUST COME TO PASS, BUT THE END IS NOT YET. FOR NATION SHALL RISE AGAINST NATION, AND KINGDOM AGAINST KINGDOM: AND THERE SHALL BE FAMINES, PESTILENCES, AND EARTHQUAKES, IN DIVERS PLACES. ALL THESE ARE THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS.(Matthew 24:4-8)
ClearingStoneProphet 22 hours ago
THE PROPHETIC VISION OF ANOTHER GREAT EARTHQUAKE ON THE EASTERN SEABOARD OF THE U.S.A. WAS PRONOUNCED BY GOD(JESUS CHRIST) TO PROPHET OWUOR IN AFRICA ON SEPTEMBER 16, 2011.
BECAUSE OF THE OVERWHELMING SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY, GAY MARRIAGE, EVIL, AND COMPROMISING MONEY GRUBBING CROWD PLEASING PASTORS ALL OVER AMERICA IN HER CHURCHES.
UNLESS THERE IS A NATIONAL TURNBACK IN REPENTANCE TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST THIS PROPHETIC VISION OF DISASTER SHALL STRIKE THE U.S.A. EAST COAST. BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
ClearingStoneProphet 22 hours ago
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"it is impossible for God to sin"
It's impossible for the Thetans of scientology to leave you alone without auditing, too. What? You don't believe in Thetans? Oh you are doomed!
AdoptReality 23 hours ago
Said by a theist: "".It's gross. Two men in the same bed? Yuck!"
A homosexual has no more control over their preference than you do over yours. Denying that fact is no different than denying any other well established fact of science. Sad, though, since it's the enlightenment of science that has furthered humanity so much.
AdoptReality 23 hours ago
@AdoptReality
"A homosexual has no more control over their preference than you do over yours."
Really? And who poisoned you with this line of thinking? If someone was nurtured in a particular vice or evil, does it make it right? Are you going to soften you stance against that vice, condone or accept it? Gay is gross, unnatural, against nature, and, most importantly, against God's original design and will.
peterpulpitpounder 23 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "If someone was nurtured in a particular vice or evil, does it make it right?" No. However, it's clearly NOT 'evil'. It happens to be a sexual preference and should be none of your concern unless you're a homosexual.
It's really that simple.
"Gay is gross" ...don't do it, then.
"unnatural, against nature"...Wrong again. It seems that many, MANY species have homosexual relationships. In fact, some birds form lifelong monogamous homosexual pair bonds.
AlanIsHarmony 22 hours ago
@AlanIsHarmony and the male lion kills all the cubs in a pride of lionesses he has just won from a rival male. i guess you think it would be ok for someone to kill the his stepchild. using the animal kingdom to get your moral standards is not the best place to get them.
40something100 21 hours ago
@40something100 No. But he said it's unnatural and clearly it's not. Nor does it affect him or me. So what people do in the privacy of theor own homes is of no consequence.
Now, have I suggested anywhere that the animal kingdom is the place from which to get morals? You do realise that we didn't get our morals from the Bible, don't you?
AlanIsHarmony 21 hours ago
@AlanIsHarmony but their activities have affected you and i, are you going to deny that it is through the hopmosexual community that the aids epidemic spread not that the disease was spawned by them but that it was spread by them. aids was almost exclusively a homosexual disease until it spread into the drug community and then into the hetrosexual world, which affects us all let alone the money we spend fighting the disease.how can you say it doesn't affect you or me.
40something100 21 hours ago
@40something100 No, their activities don't affect me. I'm not a homosexual, so I run no risk of contracting AIDS. There are a number of diseases that spread by body fluids. However, it's utterly immoral to suggest that something they do, that brings them pleasure and is done with a consenting adult should be abstained from because it's in some way "immoral". That's the point and trying to derail the discussion by bringing in the cost of treatment shows your contemptible view.
AlanIsHarmony 21 hours ago
@AlanIsHarmony so it's immoral to suggest that i should deem an activity inappropriate just because it brings pleasure to consenting adults, and who are you to tell me what is or isn't immoral? do you get to decide morality, no is it a popularity contest whereby morals are determined by consent of society? no.
40something100 20 hours ago
@40something100 But the fact is that society has always and will always define morality. Your lack of morality revolves around the fact that you have an idea that you should be allowed to dictate who should have sex with whom.
It's morally bankrupt.
AlanIsHarmony 20 hours ago
@AlanIsHarmony if society defines morality then in effect there is no morality, only what is acceptale for now, it is constantly changing, and is being that is moraly bankrupt. i don't define morals i follow a predescribed set of values which is never changing, and not subject to societies views.
40something100 20 hours ago
@40something100 "if society defines morality then in effect there is no morality". Precisely. As it always has been, but we design laws to produce the kind of society we desire. Always have.
"i follow a predescribed set of values ". Specifically, you follow a set of values that were made up by bronze age scribes, who were trying to instruct their own people on where their own morality originated. That alone should tell you how preposterous a concept it is.
AlanIsHarmony 20 hours ago
@40something100 "it is constantly changing, and is being that is moraly bankrupt."
How so? Codes of ethics have *always* been changing and shifting. Not everything across cultures or even in the same neighborhood will be perceived in the same way. That's why even as of today laws are arbitrated. That's why slavery is no longer considered morally acceptable in most societies. Ethical dilemmas are never black-and-white and are very subjective, depending on an individual's perception of an issue.
OmegaCause 20 hours ago
Morals are a contract & agreement between 2 or more people about how to least trample on the others needs. Morals are a social construction. Societies make morals in order to maintain themselves. They COME from our shared physicality & facts about our nature like being vulnerable to physical harm either through direct attack to our body or to an attack to our peripheral support mechanisms (family property,etc) & what we can reasonably expect as compromise to avoid such harm.
ExtantFrodo2 18 hours ago
@40something100 Incidentally, due to the suspected origins of the disease, it was initially spread by heterosexuals. So we'd still need to spend money to fight the disease.
Homosexuals have the same options as everyone else, which is to use protection.
AlanIsHarmony 21 hours ago
@40something100 Nice try at putting words in my mouth, though.
AlanIsHarmony 21 hours ago
@AlanIsHarmony
It's against nature. You are suppressing the truth. A nut and bolt go together, not two bolts, if you get my drift. It's plain to see that your mind is so stained with filth, and your heart so encrusted with perversion, that you love what is evil and hate what is good. The Bible talks about people like you, who put light for darkness and darkness for light. I'd work on getting your head realigned, because it is seriously disjointed.
peterpulpitpounder 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder ...You are suppressing the truth...
Okay - lets roll out the hit parade on suppressing the truth: Galileo under house arrest for 14 years, Salem "witches" being hung for making soap, and your brother in the faith Rev. Phelps mocking dead soldiers?
Truth is - would you - if you had the power - silence all paleontologists and subscribers (like me) to the theory of evolution and imprison those of differing sexual values?
Come on - fess up. The truth shall set you free.
DarwinsFriend 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "It's against nature". No it's not. I've explained quite clearly why you're wrong and just ignoring the explanation won't change the fact of the matter.
Homosexuality is widespread in the animal kingdom. Humans are animals. Get over it.
AlanIsHarmony 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "The Bible talks about people like you...". But what the Bible says has no more relevance to me than does the Qur'an, nor the Baghavad Gita.
in short, the authors of the bible had no fucking clue, but were of their time. It is a book written for JEWS of the TIME. Not for non-Jews 3,000 years later.
AlanIsHarmony 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder
You refuse to believe that one's attraction to the same sex is inherent is some people, solely because you think your god wouldn't make someone in a determinant manner to be attracted to the same sex, so it doesn't fit your twisted world view.
Deny it all you wish, but nature itself shows that you're dead wrong, but don't look outside your god-bubble, because reality is SCARY SHIT huh?
AtheistToothFairy 21 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder
"And who poisoned you with this line of thinking?"
Science and sound research. Oh yeah, you believe religious text over science.
Forget the science, do you REALLY think that someone would CHOOSE being different in that way? How do you explain the majority of gays not even admitting it?
This repressive attitude is why such pompous, arrogant, science-denying effort must be fought for free civilization to ever advance beyond its barbaric roots.
AdoptReality 21 hours ago
@AdoptReality
So, if someone is born with a bent to steal, or with a bent toward incest, or with a bent toward child molestation, than these acts are okay? What is someone says, "I was born this way, and you are blaming me for desires that are part of my essence and nature." I mean, how are you going to answer this? Guess what? You don't have a good answer, and it's because atheism has no moral foundation. You are forced to admit that anything goes in this life.
peterpulpitpounder 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "if someone is born with a bent to steal, or with a bent toward incest, or with a bent toward child molestation, than these acts are okay". No. Because we, as a society, define what we want of a society and deem these things unlawful.
The things you mention are a direct infringement on the rights of other individuals, so you're not comparing like with like.
"...anything goes in this life". It could do, but as a society, we don't let "anything go".
AlanIsHarmony 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder ...and, most importantly, against God's original design and will...
Like foreskin? Like the human appendix? Vestigial human ear muscles? (boy - that was a great creation, oh Lord!)
In-as-much as humans designed God and that image only held power though obedience and slavery to human ideals - the whole subject smells like a backed up and over flowing cesspool.
Again - fuck all religion and those that enforce it.
DarwinsFriend 17 hours ago
@MrTubetown Communism practiced anti-theism as a practical matter of it's survival. We often use the word atheism when we are more accurate to say ant-theism. Lack of belief in the claims of theists is not a philosophy that informs communism. Communism is an artificial social construct that requires "buy in" and if not, subservience and obedience.
yankinCanada 1 day ago
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"Spiritualy dead and inept beings like yourself need to worry about the dead"
I've invited one of your supposedly powerful spirits to do SOMETHING to me that is obviously caused by the spirit and nothing EVER happens. Hmmm. Just like these spirits don't exist. In fact, during my 30 years of praying for things I finally came out of my blind stupor and realized that the reason these prayers never affected anything was that the whole thing is pure, non-evidenced superstition!
Move on folks.
AdoptReality 1 day ago
@AdoptReality: Re: "I inviged one of your supposedly powerful spirits to do SOMETHING...."
Dearie, you have not been endowed with powers to summon or dismiss anyone or anything in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Simon the sorcerer also nursed such lofty ideals and was denied. He was rebuked and unlike you, repented. You are an blaspheming apostate. You should've stayed in Church.
grannyvonng 22 hours ago
@grannyvonng
Dearie, neither have you.
Invoking your magical nonsense then saying it only works through special people is no different than admitting that it doesn't exist at all.
So thanks for fessing up what we know all along, your religious nonsense is just as dismissible as that of the scientologists, the witches, the muslims, and on and one.
Fantasy makes a great movie, but it makes you just look plain stupid. Sorry dear.
AdoptReality 20 hours ago
@AdoptReality: "..thanks for fessing up.."
Lionel, who said spiritual gifts don't work?Not I, for sure! Spiritual gifts cannot be sought or grasped; they are divinely bestowed and not to magnify the individual possessing the gift but to enhance the ministry - for the edification of the Church.You are devil's advocate and as such, not endowed with any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit bestowed upon the Church of Jesus Christ.You have forsaken and abused the Church. Ungrateful!
grannyvonng 20 hours ago
@grannyvonng "You have forsaken and abused the Church".
Well, given the amount of abuse that's come from some churches, it's about time they got some payback.
AlanIsHarmony 20 hours ago
@grannyvonng "; they are divinely bestowed..."
Ah yes. The "gift" of being absent in the face of a killer epidemic resulting in millions of deaths, and even a greater number of families torn. Let's give thanks to God for staying true to his asinine and pointless "plan" of redemption.
OmegaCause 20 hours ago
@grannyvonng "You are devil's advocate..."
How can that be, when neither he nor I believe in the devil?
"not endowed with any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit..."
What "gifts"? The gift of complete obfuscation between the thousands of Christian groups who can't seem to come to an agreement on which group holds the superior rendering of God's one, unalterable and amenable word?
OmegaCause 20 hours ago
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@OmegaCause:"The gift of complete obfuscation between the thousands of Christian groups who can't seem to come to an agreement........God's one, unalterable and amenable word?
This response is way off base; it's irrelevant to the subject matter. Try again.
grannyvonng 9 hours ago
@grannyvonng ...Spiritual gifts cannot be sought or grasped...
Sounds like the definition of a rotten crouched island woman's fart.
DarwinsFriend 19 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "it is impossible for God to sin"
BUT..... even though it is supposedly impossible for Yahweh to sin he creates beings that can sin and then blames them when they do.
Iconoclast444 1 day ago
@Iconoclast444
Yes, and He created you, giving you the liberty to spout of mockery and evil without "immediate" consequences. So your point is well taken, unto your own favor. Now I suggest you repent BEFORE facing the same end as those who in history mocked their Creator.
peterpulpitpounder 23 hours ago
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@peterpulpitpounder "Yes, and He created you...". Evidence of his existence, please?
This is fantastic, because now, you can sure MrTubetown just why many atheists think that the likes of you are idiots.
"Now I suggest you repent BEFORE facing the same end as those who in history mocked their Creator". What? Dead you mean? Like we are all going to be?
Scary!!! Sorry...I meant 'infantile'.
AlanIsHarmony 22 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "He created you, giving you the liberty to spout of mockery and evil without "immediate" consequences."
I'll ask you the same question that I asked granny. Will there be the "free will" to sin in heaven or will you be as granny said, "God's robot"?
Iconoclast444 17 hours ago
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@Iconoclast444: 'Will there be the "free will" to sin in heaven or will you be as granny said, "God's robot"?'
Once more desperation has set in! Youve resorted to spin and outright lying again! Lying has become a habit to you. Your motto seems to be: "When I'm stumped and all else fails - lie like hell". Phony!
grannyvonng 9 hours ago
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@Iconoclast444: "....he creates beings that can sin and then blames them when they do."
Oh the dignity and privilege of having choice! You seem unable to assimilate the concept of "free choice". God could have made us automatons like the programmed robots we idolize and rave about on the screens (satan's diabolical imitations of man). We are free-willed beings with knowledge of the consequences of our choices. Life or death.
grannyvonng 21 hours ago
@grannyvonng "you seem unable to assimilate the concept of "free choice". God could have made us automatons...."
So there will there be redeemed people "sinning" and getting thrown out of in your supposed future heaven? Or will they be as you say.....robots.
Iconoclast444 18 hours ago
@grannyvonng Please discard the extra "there" grannyhag.
Iconoclast444 18 hours ago
@Iconoclast444
Nope. Sin entered the world via Adam's transgression. His failed headship brought these detriment of the sin nature upon his posterity. We see many examples of this today, especially in the physical realm. A father smokes around his children, and they get asthma, or even cancer. He swears and displays lack of self-control, and his children grow up adopting the same. Our action have consequences. Ever thought about this? You should.
peterpulpitpounder 17 hours ago
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@peterpulpitpounder "Sin entered the world via Adam's transgression"
Because your god created him less than perfect.
Iconoclast444 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder ...His failed headship brought these detriment of the sin nature upon his posterity...
head·ship (hdshp) n.
1. The position or office of a head or leader; primacy or command.
2. Chiefly British The position of a headmaster or headmistress.
Gee - that's quite a load to put on the first human - ever. Again, the O/T Lord was the ultimate prick.
DarwinsFriend 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "His failed headship brought these detriment of the sin nature upon his posterity."
Fuck a duck! I've seen some shit typed on this site, but that fucker takes the biscuit.
AlanIsHarmony 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "Our action have consequences. Ever thought about this?"
I don't drink, smoke, use drugs, or habitual use "profanities" (only on youtube at an occasional so-called Christian). I only have a couple of traffic tickets from 40 years of driving, I've never cheated on my wife in 35 years of marriage, not because of your god/bible but because of thinking about consequences. BUT I guess will go to hell because I don't believe the bible's outrageous story eh?
Iconoclast444 16 hours ago
@Iconoclast444
Self-righteousness will not take you to heaven.
grannyvonng 9 hours ago
@grannyvonng "Self righteousness will not take you to heaven."
Silly woman, even if your heaven did exist I wouldn't want to go there.
Iconoclast444 8 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder how does an asshole 6000 years ago eating a fruit make it so that all animals have to die or eat eachother or suffer disease etc. Bullshit.
Evolution explains death disease and deformity perfectly well with no need to say children deserve to die because of some stupid curse god put on them because of their great^32 grandfather.
ExtantFrodo2 16 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder ".It's gross. Two men in the same bed? Yuck!"
You only feel that way because you're heterosexual. I bet you wouldn't be as disgusted with two women.
Iconoclast444 1 day ago
@Iconoclast444
My judgement is not based on human reason or fleshly impulses, but upon the expressed standard of God. You sound just like the warped and ungodly construction workers I used to work with years ago, who perverted and warped everything. Their minds were clouded. To them nothing was pure. They made a dirty joke out of everything. Yup, they were atheists too, real outstanding citizens!
peterpulpitpounder 22 hours ago
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@peterpulpitpounder "but upon the expressed standard of God...."
So in God's "standard," it's perfectly reasonable to sit on his hands and be conspicuously absent while millions of his devout followers die agonizing deaths, due to having to cope with a deadly epidemic (i.e, the Black Death); many crying out to their lord to aid them and spare their families, all of whom were subsequently ignored?
It's all part of his elaborate, unnecessary "plan," right? Boy, I can't wait!
OmegaCause 20 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder "My judgement is not based on human reason or fleshly impulses"
Then why did you say "yuck"?
You can't tell me you don't have desires Peter.... If you're a heterosexual male you will naturally on occasion "check out" or think about various attractive females. Even though the Jesus character forbid you not to lust after another person "in you heart" you still do because you can't help it.
Iconoclast444 17 hours ago
@Iconoclast444
God says, "Yuck," and yuck it is.
peterpulpitpounder 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder God says "Yuck and yuck it is."
Don't lie peter, it was your idea.
Iconoclast444 17 hours ago
@peterpulpitpounder
Even if it is gross or "yuck", any person with an ounce of decency, could not come up with a compelling justification, why such behavior should earn the people engaging in it, a societally codified death penalty. Could anyone, outside of the context of a religion, feel that this is a just consequence?
yankinCanada 16 hours ago
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@yankinCanada Could anyone, outside of the context of a religion, feel that this is a just consequence?
Not even close. As in Iran (a country stuck in the 9th Cen.) it's easy. And really, isn't that the core of the argument in this forum? Atheists: tolerant of the unusual and appreciative of some fairly outrageous art & music forms, and Theists: trying desperately to maintain that old time religion and the pure glee that comes with watching someone burn at the stake and that odd chicken smell.
DarwinsFriend 16 hours ago
@Iconoclast444
Why won't ppp be disgusted about two women performing the abominables? When we speak of homosexuality it's in reference to this unnatural practice by both genders.
You mentioned earlier that after 35 years of marriage you've never "looked" at another woman. That's odd - unless you're blind in both eyes or gay. How many men have you ogled lecherously? Iconoclast - the Gay Advocate.
grannyvonng 9 hours ago
@grannyvonng "You mentioned earlier that after 35 years of marriage you've never "looked" at another woman."
Uh no, granny, I didn't say that.
Iconoclast444 8 hours ago
@Iconoclast444
Whether "cheated" or "looked" - whatever! My comment stands the same.
grannyvonng 8 hours ago
@grannyvonng I guess you've never ogled another man the whole time you were married huh? Regardless of what Matthew 5:27 -28 says, there's still a lot of difference between checking out, looking at another woman/man and actually going all the way,
Iconoclast444 8 hours ago
@grannyvonng "Why won't ppp be disgusted about two women performing the abominables?"
You're reading comprehension sucks. I meant heterosexual men, not people in general.
"How many men have you ogled lecherously?" None, I'm 100% hetero.
Iconoclast444 8 hours ago
@Iconoclast444: Re: "Your reading comprehension sucks.I meant heterosexual men, not people in general"
HERE'S WHAT YOU WROTE: "You only feel that way because you're heterosexual. I bet you wouldn't be as disgusted with two women."
The above comment is ambiguous. Elucidate by adding a little more depth to your thoughts.
grannyvonng 4 hours ago
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@grannyvonng Peterpulpitpounder typed: "Two men in one bed yuck" and I responded with: "You only feel that way because you're heterosexual. I bet you wouldn't be as disgusted with two women."
Is that so hard to figure out?
Iconoclast444 3 hours ago
@grannyvonng Correction: "Your" not "you're".
Iconoclast444 8 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy Sure, there is one part of Satan that even the most hardcore Atheist can SEE. That is EVIL. The Evil that drives Murders to Kill, Destroy. The Evil in Child-Molesters and Killers. This TANGIBLE EVIL WITNESS by many is driven by Satan. Also, if you want more... "Accidental" tragic Death is also caused by Him. -Hosea 4:6 That knowledge is How to prologue your natural life to its fullest by Resiting the Devil/Evil Forces.
SpiritWorldBlog 1 day ago
@SpiritWorldBlog none of that is as evil as torturing someone forever.
ExtantFrodo2 1 day ago
@ExtantFrodo2 That torture is from Satan's Demons who are led by Satan. In the end Satan will be cast to Hell, right now he rules the world, this is because he took the authority frm Adam - Those who reject GOD are doing the very thing Satan did, and those who Do Evil are doing the everything Satan does. This world's Justice System punishes only