I don't think this is flatfoot technique...IT'S FLATFOOD WHICH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! No but really, Derek's a god but I always had a different definition of flatfoot.
Thank you Blairtoews for the upload. It has dispelled all doubts and fear of the mysticism shrouding Derek Roddy's drumming. Thank you again man you are awesome!!!
Oh here comes the trigger talk again. Triggers are only cheating if you use them to your advantage because of poor technique. Derek and George don't have bad technique but they need them because of the speeds they achieve. If any of you ever get to pro level death metal and play large arenas you'll have to use triggers eventually otherwise no bass drum to be heard for anyone.
@JTJUDAS Really, there isn't any "poor" technique with trigger. People shit on Inferno because of his pedal setup, but... it's a pedal config geared towards triggered playing. The fact is that without triggers, the beaters are moving so quickly that they won't hit the head full force. That's why Roddy said he's going going 200-220 now without triggers.
Both are good! I tend to prefer un-triggered because I dislike the SOUND of triggers, but I have no qualms with it.
Is he using any calf muscle or just hip-flexor? I find myself using a lot of calf muscle cuz i get more speed that way. Or am i just practicing wrong technique and should practice with only hip-flexors? I know that you dont use ankles but what muscles aside from hip flexors am i suppossed to play with, if any?
@UKrocketeer Yeah, but how can u lift your leg that fast using only hip flexor, I mean when i try to do it, by whole body shakes and that can't be right can it?
This is the sign of a real mucisian? When you're willing to learn something new and what I really enjoy about Derek Roddy is, he is a down to earth person!!! I have meet alot of mucisians out there with "EGO'S" the size of the earth!!! Not cool!!! Keep it real Derek!!!
@PositivelyBored oh yea, really easy, if that's so easy, lets see a video of you doing single strokes for 1 minute in speed of 290 bpm.. that should be like the easiest, right?
until then, go to your "real musicians club" and play an emotional basic rock beat.
p.s.: with practice comes speed, with practice comes experience, with experience comes feel..
when you practice only slow stuff for the sake of feel, you're good, ok you have feel but you and your wonderful feelings are limited to 200 bpm
I said EASIER. Did I say playing 290 bpm singles with your feet was easy to get down? That is your perception, not my intent.
Not sure where the emotional rock beat came about, but I play many many musical styles that your average "double bass shredder" would have have big trouble with. All I am saying is that speed is something only children who listen to metal awe over. Again, it's only a metal thing, not a music thing.
@PositivelyBored nah but Roddy himself says that he's not an amazing jazz drummer or anything, but he talks about telling metalhead students to go to Pat Metheny concerts, and for the jazzers to see Slayer.
@Blacklorigine Okay, but explain to me how that changes what I meant... AT ALL. Now, I understand the distinction between Slayer and Nile, but a Pat Metheny fan does not. The point stands.
@Theseventhknight It changes because slayer is very famous, so even a jazz fan can know it. Nile is underrated like every death metal bands, so only those who search a bit about metal would find it. That's a big difference.
@BlacklorigineI don't think that's the point at all. The definite point was that he wanted metal fans to listen to something very different from metal, and for jazz fans to listen to something very different than jazz. And yes, we can get into BTBAM and Atheist and blur the line between metal and jazz, but the distinction between Annihilation of the Wicked and South of Heaven is pretty small when all you listen to is Kind of Blue and Time Out.
Can I still reach over 200 BPM by just using heels up? And how would I no if I am doing it right? Will I just be in a alot of pain during and after I drum (cramps) and if I do practice heels up, do I just play 16th notes till I can do them fluidly, then move on to faster speed, and BPM?
You should never be in pain after playing the drums. You might feel your muscles burning from making a repetitive motion, but you shouldn't feel actual pain. If something hurts, something's wrong. You can definitely get over 200 bpm, it just takes time. The key is practicing everything on different speed levels. George Kollias has, in my opinion, the best way of actually getting faster in your playing. He has a really interesting take on that.
This guy is easily one of my favorite drummers as far as technique and style! He is a living drum god in these areas and he continues to be so humble and honest! Horns up to a true professional!
My practice session is playing until my legs burn, then you play a single stroke 10 min non stop and THEN the 30 minute endurance exercice of derek to let your legs breave 10 minute before playing still and still...
Wow. Pretty powerful, indeed. That doublebass at 1:49 sounds impressive, considering it comes without trigger-aid.
I don't harbor any hatred toward triggers. I understand why some drummers use them, just as a guitarist might use a compressor to get beyond the sustain limitations of the instrument.
But I hope he reaches success in his endeavor to overcome the need for triggers. If nothing else, one less device to set up makes it that much easier to get straight into rockin' mode. ;)
with triggers he'll get a cleaner sound when at high speeds. like guitarists using that pedal that erases the annoying sound while not playing a tone. makes everything cleaner.
u can beat map triggers too, if ur playin a4 bar double bass beat and a couple hits were off u can scootch em over to the write spot to make it sound poifecto!
the skater shoe doesnt have tread like regular sneakers do thus you can feel your footing on the pedal easier then say a Nike running shoe with air bags in the soles LOL
Last week I watched Modern Drummer Festival 2008. There Derek shows his triggers in action. He played with triggers and without. No cheating, the same volume, the same velocity. Only sound become more readable, and in heavy music we have possibility to listen to bass drum. I think so.
im really sick of the whole triggers argument, all they do is make a sound. you still have to play the drums. yes, some people take advantage of that and they tap a lot, but it still has the same effect in a song as someone who takes the beaters 5 inches back from the head. saying its cheating is like saying ok, drummers shouldnt play faster than 230, because we cant hear it if its faster than that. at some point, you cant take the beaters back farther and keep speed. so stop bitching and play!
why can people never stop say you play faster with triggers its not true triggers are ment for a tighter sound from the double bass not to make you go faster
ican play the exackt same speed as without triggers the only thing that they do is that it give a more digital sound
i fully agree with what you re saying. BUT, some people (mainly noob drummers) use the fact that you barely need to touch the skin to make the trigger go off, to tap very fast, therefore getting to speeds up to 300bpm, without any REAL talent.
uhh, rhetorical question much? i never said anything was wrong with George Kollias using triggers, because he gets massive beater strokes while playing some insane tempos, the only thing wrong with using triggers if you use them and your cheating a.k.a tapping
I got douche chills when he ran to his drums to show off his "technique". Derek wants everyone to think he hits super hard and alllllllllways goes on about he doesn't "need" triggers blah blah blah. He uses shoter than average beaters and mics the inside and outside of his kick, how about some real "tips" Derek...
yes, and how does using a trigger make something fake? all it does basically is change the sound of what you are already doing, its not like he superimposed a sound into his video to make himself feel better. wow
if i hit my drums pathetically quiet, people would say i suck. if i hit quiet with triggers, noone would know, becaue of the humungous electronic thump the girly tap would activate.
if i played sometimes hard and sometimes weak, i would sound shit and out of control. if i used triggers, noone would know how shit i am.
dude, tell me why derek roddy wants to get rid of his triggers completely, which he says here at 2-15?
well of course he wants to quit using them, they help when you are playing that fast, but they dont make it fake... Its damn near impossible to be %100 accurate force-wise, especially during concerts.
oh so they make you sound like you are playing evenly when you aren't, but thats fine. just like its ok to sing out of tune, if you have a wee machine to fix it. ;)
you know, paul from cannibal corpse doesn't use triggers live, never has.
theres plenty of guys playing EVEN at high tempos, its just that they hit so weak that they would be useless without triggers.
what i don't get is, why bother with a bass drum at all - why not just have a wee keyboard that you play with your toe?
Pitch correction is entirely different, you can basically blow ass into the microphone and have it sound beautiful.
im sorry, i know cannibal corpse started alot of this style, but i think they are terrible...
and anyhow, my point was, sometime down the road, all of the players that use triggers will be able to stop once they are accurate enough. but that doesnt make them fake, or bad drummers
hey, at least paul from cannibal corpse can play a bass drum, instead of a foot-twitch activated electronic device!
do you drum yourself? bit light-footed on the bass drum? i play single kick but i can play those 32nd notes heavy as hell. you can hear MY bass drum at rehearsals, know what i'm saying?
yeah, i do, ive never used triggers tho, i play jazz, progressive metal, technical death metal, pretty much everything... ive recorded a couple of songs also from the band im in. You can listen to some of our ooolllldddd stuff on the myspace, band name is Anarchid
Whining about triggered kicks is like whining about electric guitars, just learn to play acoustic or gtfo relying on pedals and technology to do all the hard work.
Fast double bass (actually fast, not "fast because Joey Jordison's playing" fast) requires triggers in a live setting so it's not just a blur of noise, that's why they tend to go for a clicky sound. Paul from Cannibal Corpse is good, but doesn't play fast, and isn't really that technical, just solid with his timing and accuracy.
i know that chris adler is awesome and that derek knows that he is as good as he(okay derek is a bit better),but people are just to stupid to realize it that he just plays the guitar riffs. but if you check out the very first lamb of god album(new american gospel) or the burn the priests before then you'll hear a lot a of killer blast beats.seriously when i heard all that stuff it just blew me away.anyway derek is is awesome!
Like he said, you might have gotten used to the human kickstand, as he mentioned. I never noticed that until around the third time I came across this video.
As to countering it, what I did was would hold my left foot up as if it were resting on the pedal (about 3-4 inches off the floor) and play as I normally would with just my right foot actually on the pedal.
Concentrate on keeping an even center of balance on your throne, but at first 6 seconds of 200 bpm will be pretty draining =)
I tried to use this technique, but I find it impossible to lock my ankle, because there is always some movement in it, like 1 or two centimeters. How tight is the head supoposed to be? And spring tension? should it be really tight to bring the whole leg up or what? Should there be a lot of rebound from the head?
macwild1234 is right.... this technique uses too much energy and puts strain of the leg muscles. George Kollias uses his ankles instead.less tiring and more effective
k, maybe you should do some research. Kollias uses the flat foot, he got it from derek roddy. He also learned the swivel technique from derek roddy, derek roddy used to use the swivel technique but he only used it because his left foot was slower than his right and he had to swivel to keep it up. Now his left foot is plenty fast and he doesn't use it anymore. As for lang, lang does use the flat foot, and also he doesn't just play double strokes, you should watch his dvd's.
ok i watched the george kolias intense metal drumming vid on YT and he was doing some mixture of ankles and swivel and going really fast and smooth. Then i see Joey Jordison doing the flat foot and failing. Not comparing him to derek rodey, but thats how most people are gonna sound unless they have been doing it for like 15 years. Lifting your whole leg at 250bpm makes it almost impossible to do anything good with your hands
It's not like that actually, It's hard to explain but bascially the initial movement comes from the hip flexor/quadricep, but your are actually still using your ankles. It's kinda like a whip. At slow speeds derek plays further back on his pedals and his heels come up a little more. George uses the same technique but derek just lowers his heels a little further when playing fast. It does take a little getting used to, and it only takes about 6 months to really get used to it.
It didn't take george long to learn it either, less than a year. He used to play all heel up. Using flat foot technique actually gives your more control because your using more of your shin muscle and less calve. I use this technique as well, and I would never go back, believe it or not it takes a little less energy once you get used to it.
Everything takes more energy when you first start doing it, then it just gets easier the more you do it. That's just how things go. George uses the exact same technique as derek roddy, gene hoglan, pete sandoval, thomas lang, grant collins, and more. The initial movement comes from the hip flexor, then down to the ankle. It's like a chain reaction.
The ankle is not locked with flat foot, and he does use the same technique as derek. I've been a member on the roddy forum for 5 years. George is also a member on there, and he was on there before he ever even got the gig with nile, when he was with sickening horror when he was playing heel up. Then derek shared his technique and taught it to george, then got him the gig with nile.
my guess would be vans, ive always been more comfortable in a skate shoe myself. other guys like thinner shoes with little padding like pumas or converse but i occasionally get hit on the rebound of my beaters so the skate shoes with the big pillows tongues work awesome lol
this technique is just great i can get real fast and loud with my base drum!! like i always wanted :D forget about heel up or down and heel toe this one is great and loud, fuck off triggers!
he's short-legged thas easy for him to do i'm 2,30 metres and my dick is 23 cm and im 23 years old. no..im 32. and people: dont try that technique, it is bad for yor uncles, the ones who live downstairs...and roddick this is for you: your nothing, your technique is shit in comparison with federer's.
Thank you Derek for letting people know it's not necessarily about speed. It's about writting good songs. An unmusical display of speed, means zilch. From what I understand, someone like Virgil Donati, as crazy as he is, he's still not the fastest, but the control he has over his feet is plain ridiculous. The patterns he plays, Thomas Lang included, is absolutely awe inspiring. Control equals speed, if people can only grasp that. Which means cleaner notes.
hey dunaucca, I used to get up to 240 bpm on my dw5000's wearing Beer Store slippers cuz of the great grip it had. pool shoes work good too. before that, i played in barefeet but the sweat coming down the legs would make the pedals very slippery and noticed lil red dots all over heel bottom, broken capillaries. from the pattern on the pedals, hence the heels up technique, whereas I use my back muscles for these beats.
I was at 288 bpm back in 03, and I did it in Doc Martins - No joke! They were all worn out. I've unfortunately lost a lot of speed due to laziness..... In trying to get back on it, I'm wearing Pumas.
Flatfoot is a little different than heel-up. You use your whole leg for flatfoot, and you just use ankle motion for heel-up. It's called flatfoot because you keep your ankles locked horizontally, and your legs do all the work.
I don't think this is flatfoot technique...IT'S FLATFOOD WHICH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! No but really, Derek's a god but I always had a different definition of flatfoot.
ShittyMcPoopyBalls 1 week ago
Gotta try some of that flatfood!
napalmfred 4 months ago
does the feet need to be stiff...
Battossai3000 5 months ago
@Battossai3000 no, you want no muscle tension. Just takes years of practicing to get fast and loose muscles.
goodnamepending 3 months ago
Thank you Blairtoews for the upload. It has dispelled all doubts and fear of the mysticism shrouding Derek Roddy's drumming. Thank you again man you are awesome!!!
jerrylyngdoh2011 6 months ago
1:47 best intro ever !!
Gwendall666 6 months ago
That's not flatfoot because he is lifting the whole leg.
Villex93 9 months ago
Oh here comes the trigger talk again. Triggers are only cheating if you use them to your advantage because of poor technique. Derek and George don't have bad technique but they need them because of the speeds they achieve. If any of you ever get to pro level death metal and play large arenas you'll have to use triggers eventually otherwise no bass drum to be heard for anyone.
JTJUDAS 1 year ago 9
@JTJUDAS Precisely
GoreyAndKrookedOnes 1 year ago
@JTJUDAS Really, there isn't any "poor" technique with trigger. People shit on Inferno because of his pedal setup, but... it's a pedal config geared towards triggered playing. The fact is that without triggers, the beaters are moving so quickly that they won't hit the head full force. That's why Roddy said he's going going 200-220 now without triggers.
Both are good! I tend to prefer un-triggered because I dislike the SOUND of triggers, but I have no qualms with it.
zgates 9 months ago
Haha even without pedals he's fast
thecocreator88 1 year ago 17
You loose your dexterity bonus when flat-footed.^^
wildanS 1 year ago 2
wow this actually really helped and is way easier and better than the technique i was using...Thanks Derek!
bounty2444 1 year ago
wow. this is so awkward for me. lol i think im just gonna stick to my heel up, swivel, and heel toe
ameliorate2695 1 year ago
Is he using any calf muscle or just hip-flexor? I find myself using a lot of calf muscle cuz i get more speed that way. Or am i just practicing wrong technique and should practice with only hip-flexors? I know that you dont use ankles but what muscles aside from hip flexors am i suppossed to play with, if any?
letsago0 1 year ago
@letsago0 hip flexor, there is a vid of flat foot by bostic check it
UKrocketeer 1 year ago
@UKrocketeer Yeah, but how can u lift your leg that fast using only hip flexor, I mean when i try to do it, by whole body shakes and that can't be right can it?
letsago0 1 year ago
@letsago0 your not supposed to lift your whole leg. there is an in-depth explanation on the derek roddy forum check it out
UKrocketeer 1 year ago
@UKrocketeer Can u give me the link?
letsago0 1 year ago
@letsago0 just go on the forum and go to the technique section its a sticky
UKrocketeer 1 year ago
This is the sign of a real mucisian? When you're willing to learn something new and what I really enjoy about Derek Roddy is, he is a down to earth person!!! I have meet alot of mucisians out there with "EGO'S" the size of the earth!!! Not cool!!! Keep it real Derek!!!
orick20 1 year ago
Speed is the easiest thing to learn, entirely physical and "clad". Emotion, heart, soul, feel, etc....That is where real musicians come to play...
PositivelyBored 1 year ago
@PositivelyBored oh yea, really easy, if that's so easy, lets see a video of you doing single strokes for 1 minute in speed of 290 bpm.. that should be like the easiest, right?
until then, go to your "real musicians club" and play an emotional basic rock beat.
p.s.: with practice comes speed, with practice comes experience, with experience comes feel..
when you practice only slow stuff for the sake of feel, you're good, ok you have feel but you and your wonderful feelings are limited to 200 bpm
Molotok666 1 year ago
@Molotok666
I said EASIER. Did I say playing 290 bpm singles with your feet was easy to get down? That is your perception, not my intent.
Not sure where the emotional rock beat came about, but I play many many musical styles that your average "double bass shredder" would have have big trouble with. All I am saying is that speed is something only children who listen to metal awe over. Again, it's only a metal thing, not a music thing.
PositivelyBored 1 year ago
@PositivelyBored metal, you said? play this: Meshuggah-Bleed
Molotok666 1 year ago
@PositivelyBored nah but Roddy himself says that he's not an amazing jazz drummer or anything, but he talks about telling metalhead students to go to Pat Metheny concerts, and for the jazzers to see Slayer.
Theseventhknight 1 year ago
@Theseventhknight For the jazzers to see nile, he didn't talk about slayer...
Blacklorigine 1 year ago
@Blacklorigine Okay, but explain to me how that changes what I meant... AT ALL. Now, I understand the distinction between Slayer and Nile, but a Pat Metheny fan does not. The point stands.
Theseventhknight 1 year ago
@Theseventhknight It changes because slayer is very famous, so even a jazz fan can know it. Nile is underrated like every death metal bands, so only those who search a bit about metal would find it. That's a big difference.
Blacklorigine 1 year ago
@BlacklorigineI don't think that's the point at all. The definite point was that he wanted metal fans to listen to something very different from metal, and for jazz fans to listen to something very different than jazz. And yes, we can get into BTBAM and Atheist and blur the line between metal and jazz, but the distinction between Annihilation of the Wicked and South of Heaven is pretty small when all you listen to is Kind of Blue and Time Out.
Theseventhknight 1 year ago
what was the name of the cd, where he says he played with chris adler and jason bittner?
makingmayhem678 1 year ago
@makingmayhem678 ModernDrummer
TommyOwnzU 1 year ago
@makingmayhem678 no sorry! it was dumnation :)
TommyOwnzU 1 year ago
haha mark....i love how derek plays...he's just the perfect drummer
WOLVES4842 1 year ago
forget working out, do dereks workout every practice and you will stay in shape the rest of your life
MarkOfPower 1 year ago 2
so derek uses flat foot along with with the super tight spring tension ?
cristian2001 1 year ago
Can I still reach over 200 BPM by just using heels up? And how would I no if I am doing it right? Will I just be in a alot of pain during and after I drum (cramps) and if I do practice heels up, do I just play 16th notes till I can do them fluidly, then move on to faster speed, and BPM?
Godsmack0Believe 2 years ago
You should never be in pain after playing the drums. You might feel your muscles burning from making a repetitive motion, but you shouldn't feel actual pain. If something hurts, something's wrong. You can definitely get over 200 bpm, it just takes time. The key is practicing everything on different speed levels. George Kollias has, in my opinion, the best way of actually getting faster in your playing. He has a really interesting take on that.
MetalheadJC926 1 year ago
flatfood !! jjajajjajajajajajaja
PolloXdeth 2 years ago 2
This guy is easily one of my favorite drummers as far as technique and style! He is a living drum god in these areas and he continues to be so humble and honest! Horns up to a true professional!
seekingobscure 2 years ago 50
I love that technique, i play like this for eight month now and can play 200 with a mega power, it's awesome, practice on it !
Blacklorigine 2 years ago 2
when you FIRST started, was it hard to keep a steady beat? like did your thighs start to hurt a little bit after a while?
HBDEMON 2 years ago
@Blacklorigine Thats awesome dude! Hard work pays off :)
Think I'm gonna try and get into this technique too
itssti 1 year ago
My practice session is playing until my legs burn, then you play a single stroke 10 min non stop and THEN the 30 minute endurance exercice of derek to let your legs breave 10 minute before playing still and still...
Blacklorigine 1 year ago
@Blacklorigine Alright cool man, tnx for that! Guess I got some hard work in front of me then :)
itssti 1 year ago
Man just seeing that Sonor SQ2 makes me drool.
KneedeepUranium 2 years ago 3
hell ya derick roddy is awsome i know i misspelled it
deathmetalfan91 2 years ago
like full leg motion ?¿??
cristian2001 2 years ago
Wow. Pretty powerful, indeed. That doublebass at 1:49 sounds impressive, considering it comes without trigger-aid.
I don't harbor any hatred toward triggers. I understand why some drummers use them, just as a guitarist might use a compressor to get beyond the sustain limitations of the instrument.
But I hope he reaches success in his endeavor to overcome the need for triggers. If nothing else, one less device to set up makes it that much easier to get straight into rockin' mode. ;)
DeadAmaranth 2 years ago
with triggers he'll get a cleaner sound when at high speeds. like guitarists using that pedal that erases the annoying sound while not playing a tone. makes everything cleaner.
shumped 2 years ago
noise gate!
u can beat map triggers too, if ur playin a4 bar double bass beat and a couple hits were off u can scootch em over to the write spot to make it sound poifecto!
SyqLAWL 2 years ago
@SyqLAWL doesn't sound legit bro. i would say do another take.
vdopower66 1 year ago
@vdopower66 ya i've never used triggers and i dont think i ever will.
SyqLAWL 1 year ago
@SyqLAWL hell no, me either dude, i have more respect for people who dont trigger
SyqLAWL 1 year ago
@vdopower66 ya i would never use triggers, nor qould i quantize either, i was just sayin lol
SyqLAWL 1 year ago
i think he gave up, it just didnt work in a live situation, everything just blurred into a mush.
RedOnChrome 2 years ago
ya you cant really do this technique if you have big feet like me, 13's
nitsuj1231 2 years ago
same problem...
Azgtatoth 2 years ago
Buy longboard foot pedals in my opinion...but do what ever works for you
WoodsBalla7 2 years ago
i wonder what its like having derek roddy look at you... mr. camera man is so freaken lucky!
pearlbanger1995 2 years ago
id probably cum my pants
Drumzzz22 2 years ago
HAHAHA! NICE ONE DUDE!
pearlbanger1995 2 years ago
yo pig!! jejeje no man its pretty good! (drumming) XD
infirmusisdrums 2 years ago
what kind of shoes does he wear
typan1995 2 years ago
skater type shoes... best for drumming you can feel the pedal better
wickerman45 2 years ago 2
And there really flat.
bon2bonn 2 years ago 2
how? just asking
Dethtallica73 2 years ago
the skater shoe doesnt have tread like regular sneakers do thus you can feel your footing on the pedal easier then say a Nike running shoe with air bags in the soles LOL
wickerman45 2 years ago 3
haha flatfood
Thegoodgikgik 2 years ago 80
Last week I watched Modern Drummer Festival 2008. There Derek shows his triggers in action. He played with triggers and without. No cheating, the same volume, the same velocity. Only sound become more readable, and in heavy music we have possibility to listen to bass drum. I think so.
LeechUltimata 2 years ago 4
i see Bosticman...
Drummerthatismetal 2 years ago
when he got up i thought he was gonna beat the shit outa some1 for a sec lol.great video though.helped me alot
nightfoxteam 2 years ago
hahahahaha! u're right man!!!he could throw that throne straight in the head of some guy!!!hehe!
ordoadchao 2 years ago
his foot tech has changed so much since this Lolz I still use this tech its not flyin but it gives me some power
derekpharms17 2 years ago
verdammt wen mein englisch jetzt nicht so verdammt schlecht wär, dann würd ich da auch mal was verstehn was der sagen :'(
(will doch wissen wie der das macht)
Ju34lian 2 years ago
hey, musst doch nich unbedingt verstehn, was der sagt, guck einfach genau hin WIE ers macht...;-) cheers
dindrummer92 2 years ago
der Fuss soll gerade auf das Pedal treffen.Ohne bewegung im Fussgelenk. Viel mehr sagt er nicht^^
ind3c3nt 2 years ago
dereck roddy la concha de tu hermana!!!!!!!! como carajo haces esooo!!!!
loco sos mi idolo!!!
sos diooooooos!!!!!
sos increible!!!!
tinchosure 2 years ago
god dammit u lucky mainlanders!! no one ever clinics in hawaii!!! and derek roddy kiks ass...
owaaaa984 2 years ago 2
kick ass
metarocks81 2 years ago
im really sick of the whole triggers argument, all they do is make a sound. you still have to play the drums. yes, some people take advantage of that and they tap a lot, but it still has the same effect in a song as someone who takes the beaters 5 inches back from the head. saying its cheating is like saying ok, drummers shouldnt play faster than 230, because we cant hear it if its faster than that. at some point, you cant take the beaters back farther and keep speed. so stop bitching and play!
MetalheadJC926 2 years ago 5
it is so sweet to finally hear someone else saying it.
Flakum 2 years ago
i totally agree but Kollias still rips everyone a new one when he plays 300 without triggers... THAT is insane
somos999 2 years ago
why can people never stop say you play faster with triggers its not true triggers are ment for a tighter sound from the double bass not to make you go faster
ican play the exackt same speed as without triggers the only thing that they do is that it give a more digital sound
from the drums, and there by gives a tight sound.
bagera93 2 years ago
i fully agree with what you re saying. BUT, some people (mainly noob drummers) use the fact that you barely need to touch the skin to make the trigger go off, to tap very fast, therefore getting to speeds up to 300bpm, without any REAL talent.
THAT is my point
somos999 2 years ago
george kollias can play faster with one foot than most ppl can with two feet on double bass
xdyingfetusx69 2 years ago
George kollias can play 150 bpm 16th note with one foot.I think everybody can play faster with both feet...
Blacklorigine 2 years ago
he plays with triggers, most of the time
UKrocketeer 2 years ago 2
and?
LeechUltimata 2 years ago
uhh, rhetorical question much? i never said anything was wrong with George Kollias using triggers, because he gets massive beater strokes while playing some insane tempos, the only thing wrong with using triggers if you use them and your cheating a.k.a tapping
UKrocketeer 2 years ago
Hey look at the guy with the beard right beside Roddy. It's BOSTICMAN:P
NicholasJamesWells 2 years ago
I got douche chills when he ran to his drums to show off his "technique". Derek wants everyone to think he hits super hard and alllllllllways goes on about he doesn't "need" triggers blah blah blah. He uses shoter than average beaters and mics the inside and outside of his kick, how about some real "tips" Derek...
neongreen5 2 years ago
Flatfood rules!
hebronsawyers 2 years ago 2
if i watch this,,,the whole [age is upside down:s xd
metal4lifeslipknot 2 years ago
fake, he used triggers for this clip
rrrickflair 2 years ago
what are you fucking saying???
pollaminus 2 years ago
when he is stamping on the floor really fast, he's using triggers. fake.
NB - joke
rrrickflair 2 years ago 2
do you know what a trigger is? rofl
pocketfiend36 2 years ago
yes. do you know what a joke is?
*R*O*F*L*
rrrickflair 2 years ago
yes, and how does using a trigger make something fake? all it does basically is change the sound of what you are already doing, its not like he superimposed a sound into his video to make himself feel better. wow
pocketfiend36 2 years ago
if i hit my drums pathetically quiet, people would say i suck. if i hit quiet with triggers, noone would know, becaue of the humungous electronic thump the girly tap would activate.
if i played sometimes hard and sometimes weak, i would sound shit and out of control. if i used triggers, noone would know how shit i am.
dude, tell me why derek roddy wants to get rid of his triggers completely, which he says here at 2-15?
rrrickflair 2 years ago
well of course he wants to quit using them, they help when you are playing that fast, but they dont make it fake... Its damn near impossible to be %100 accurate force-wise, especially during concerts.
pocketfiend36 2 years ago
oh so they make you sound like you are playing evenly when you aren't, but thats fine. just like its ok to sing out of tune, if you have a wee machine to fix it. ;)
you know, paul from cannibal corpse doesn't use triggers live, never has.
theres plenty of guys playing EVEN at high tempos, its just that they hit so weak that they would be useless without triggers.
what i don't get is, why bother with a bass drum at all - why not just have a wee keyboard that you play with your toe?
rrrickflair 2 years ago
Pitch correction is entirely different, you can basically blow ass into the microphone and have it sound beautiful.
im sorry, i know cannibal corpse started alot of this style, but i think they are terrible...
and anyhow, my point was, sometime down the road, all of the players that use triggers will be able to stop once they are accurate enough. but that doesnt make them fake, or bad drummers
pocketfiend36 2 years ago
hey, at least paul from cannibal corpse can play a bass drum, instead of a foot-twitch activated electronic device!
do you drum yourself? bit light-footed on the bass drum? i play single kick but i can play those 32nd notes heavy as hell. you can hear MY bass drum at rehearsals, know what i'm saying?
rrrickflair 2 years ago
yeah, i do, ive never used triggers tho, i play jazz, progressive metal, technical death metal, pretty much everything... ive recorded a couple of songs also from the band im in. You can listen to some of our ooolllldddd stuff on the myspace, band name is Anarchid
pocketfiend36 2 years ago
Whining about triggered kicks is like whining about electric guitars, just learn to play acoustic or gtfo relying on pedals and technology to do all the hard work.
Fast double bass (actually fast, not "fast because Joey Jordison's playing" fast) requires triggers in a live setting so it's not just a blur of noise, that's why they tend to go for a clicky sound. Paul from Cannibal Corpse is good, but doesn't play fast, and isn't really that technical, just solid with his timing and accuracy.
ChainsawGutsFuck 2 years ago 2
he said to revolutionize
and he doesn't really care about speed
he wants to write good songs
efrenjh 2 years ago
chris adler is not that good compared to derek roddy
clemshetfield 2 years ago
i know that chris adler is awesome and that derek knows that he is as good as he(okay derek is a bit better),but people are just to stupid to realize it that he just plays the guitar riffs. but if you check out the very first lamb of god album(new american gospel) or the burn the priests before then you'll hear a lot a of killer blast beats.seriously when i heard all that stuff it just blew me away.anyway derek is is awesome!
BAAH4000 2 years ago
I see Bosticman71 to the right!!!
fizzlebug 3 years ago
lol that guy love's roddy
kaosM914 3 years ago
They're good friends.
TheAnnihilator12 3 years ago
flat FOOD?
midihc 3 years ago 3
Yeah haha
22edp 2 years ago
fodsdocaralho!
walmerdrums 3 years ago
mabye I have fat legs but this seems like it takes alot of energy in the legs.i wipe out doing this after like 6 secs.
sonicblast123 3 years ago
Like he said, you might have gotten used to the human kickstand, as he mentioned. I never noticed that until around the third time I came across this video.
As to countering it, what I did was would hold my left foot up as if it were resting on the pedal (about 3-4 inches off the floor) and play as I normally would with just my right foot actually on the pedal.
Concentrate on keeping an even center of balance on your throne, but at first 6 seconds of 200 bpm will be pretty draining =)
Alucard1310 3 years ago 2
thats for the translation lol. i can do about 200bpm 2minuites long now
sonicblast123 2 years ago
what song is he talking about around 2:23-2:30?
metalpony101 3 years ago
i feel it to be easier at like 150+ bpm using flatfoot
Shaujia 3 years ago
a technique involving pancakes...interesting.
boilingbubbles 3 years ago 4
I tried to use this technique, but I find it impossible to lock my ankle, because there is always some movement in it, like 1 or two centimeters. How tight is the head supoposed to be? And spring tension? should it be really tight to bring the whole leg up or what? Should there be a lot of rebound from the head?
avail99 3 years ago
flatfood haha i love typos
MrFreeman420 3 years ago 3
this guy still works a day job??? What the hell man?
tribal1790 3 years ago
He did. I'm not sure if he still does know, But i don't think so.
He worked at a Drum store in Ft. Lauderdale Florida called Drums Resurrection, He's the one that sold me my snare.
Super nice dude, Every time you came in the drum store he was always playing the drums haha
Trivmvirate 3 years ago 3
Dude, your lucky as hell. A drum god gave you your snare!
ScorpioX19 3 years ago
Hahaha yeah bro, Feels pretty fucking cool.
Trivmvirate 3 years ago
haha george kollias's place is like 35 minutes away from where i live (greece) xD
somos999 3 years ago
nah man, places have famous people like this come and teach lessons. i know some of the guys from these online lesson places have done it before.
Ryoubreathingnow 3 years ago
he still has his snake farm
infernaltorturedotde 3 years ago
macwild1234 is right.... this technique uses too much energy and puts strain of the leg muscles. George Kollias uses his ankles instead.less tiring and more effective
barnaby718 3 years ago
i hate the flatfoot...it wastes energy so fast and its really clumsy and bad.
macwild1234 3 years ago
clumsy? take a listen to gene hoglan, pete sandoval, derek roddy, george kollias. Their kicks are dead on. Thomas lang uses flat floot as well.
vinniepearl 3 years ago
kolias swivels
macwild1234 3 years ago
Thomas lang double strokes
macwild1234 3 years ago
k, maybe you should do some research. Kollias uses the flat foot, he got it from derek roddy. He also learned the swivel technique from derek roddy, derek roddy used to use the swivel technique but he only used it because his left foot was slower than his right and he had to swivel to keep it up. Now his left foot is plenty fast and he doesn't use it anymore. As for lang, lang does use the flat foot, and also he doesn't just play double strokes, you should watch his dvd's.
vinniepearl 3 years ago
ok i watched the george kolias intense metal drumming vid on YT and he was doing some mixture of ankles and swivel and going really fast and smooth. Then i see Joey Jordison doing the flat foot and failing. Not comparing him to derek rodey, but thats how most people are gonna sound unless they have been doing it for like 15 years. Lifting your whole leg at 250bpm makes it almost impossible to do anything good with your hands
macwild1234 3 years ago
It's not like that actually, It's hard to explain but bascially the initial movement comes from the hip flexor/quadricep, but your are actually still using your ankles. It's kinda like a whip. At slow speeds derek plays further back on his pedals and his heels come up a little more. George uses the same technique but derek just lowers his heels a little further when playing fast. It does take a little getting used to, and it only takes about 6 months to really get used to it.
vinniepearl 3 years ago
It didn't take george long to learn it either, less than a year. He used to play all heel up. Using flat foot technique actually gives your more control because your using more of your shin muscle and less calve. I use this technique as well, and I would never go back, believe it or not it takes a little less energy once you get used to it.
vinniepearl 3 years ago
if you watch george kollias foot technique video he explains his technique
macwild1234 is right he does use ankles whilst swiveling
callum0123456 3 years ago
Everything takes more energy when you first start doing it, then it just gets easier the more you do it. That's just how things go. George uses the exact same technique as derek roddy, gene hoglan, pete sandoval, thomas lang, grant collins, and more. The initial movement comes from the hip flexor, then down to the ankle. It's like a chain reaction.
vinniepearl 3 years ago
not according to his foot technique video
even if you just watch him playing you can see his ankles moving
flatfoot keeps the ankle completely locked and not moving and all the motion comes from the hip flexor
callum0123456 3 years ago
The ankle is not locked with flat foot, and he does use the same technique as derek. I've been a member on the roddy forum for 5 years. George is also a member on there, and he was on there before he ever even got the gig with nile, when he was with sickening horror when he was playing heel up. Then derek shared his technique and taught it to george, then got him the gig with nile.
vinniepearl 3 years ago
I really like that technique and it works, but I also like using heel-toe and a couple of others for dynamics.
maya60778 3 years ago
Do i need to stretch the muscles in my legs or is unstretched legs faster`?
marcus6665 3 years ago
Yeh you would need to stretch to avoid cramp. Just a few short stretching exercises.
maya60778 3 years ago
Does anybody know the exact type of shoes he's wearing? ^_^
Ninjuggla 3 years ago
my guess would be vans, ive always been more comfortable in a skate shoe myself. other guys like thinner shoes with little padding like pumas or converse but i occasionally get hit on the rebound of my beaters so the skate shoes with the big pillows tongues work awesome lol
tg10cards 3 years ago
That's what I thought. Thank you.
Ninjuggla 3 years ago
this technique is just great i can get real fast and loud with my base drum!! like i always wanted :D forget about heel up or down and heel toe this one is great and loud, fuck off triggers!
Paracoccidio 3 years ago
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he's short-legged thas easy for him to do i'm 2,30 metres and my dick is 23 cm and im 23 years old. no..im 32. and people: dont try that technique, it is bad for yor uncles, the ones who live downstairs...and roddick this is for you: your nothing, your technique is shit in comparison with federer's.
toyoutoyou 3 years ago
Are flat bottomed shoes best for kick drums or is it a personal preference?
ducky811 3 years ago
Preference. I like converse for flatfoot, heel down and heel toe. Skate shoes are nice for heel up.
AkiThePirate 3 years ago
ok but the question of the million dollars...... which muscle you supose to use for this technique?.
Paracoccidio 3 years ago
All your leg. When you train this at first you'll feel the burn specially in your ankle muscle, but in all your leg too
Lordmaelstrom 3 years ago
That food is definately flat.
bendrummin 3 years ago 2
you mean foot!!??
7caesar7 3 years ago 2
Sarcasm ftw
bendrummin 3 years ago
Thank you Derek for letting people know it's not necessarily about speed. It's about writting good songs. An unmusical display of speed, means zilch. From what I understand, someone like Virgil Donati, as crazy as he is, he's still not the fastest, but the control he has over his feet is plain ridiculous. The patterns he plays, Thomas Lang included, is absolutely awe inspiring. Control equals speed, if people can only grasp that. Which means cleaner notes.
nakedeyez 3 years ago
im gonna try that technique,i use a mix between that and heel-up,my legs do all the work but my ankles are locked horizontally.
Kounnas 3 years ago
is this technique effective? won't our legs get tired??
frdd90 3 years ago
they will at first. but thats y u practice :D i still cant do it for shit though
terrorist772 3 years ago
seems to be the complete opposite of what george kollias is doing ^^
Morgorroth 3 years ago
dude has leperchaun feet.. sooo fast
meownoob 3 years ago 3
lawl ^^
Jabberwockee 3 years ago
flat food?
midihc 3 years ago 4
fat foot
miercodas 3 years ago
fast food and fast foot
TheBurzums 3 years ago
dam thats fast i cant do it...
kkmmi 3 years ago
hey dunaucca, I used to get up to 240 bpm on my dw5000's wearing Beer Store slippers cuz of the great grip it had. pool shoes work good too. before that, i played in barefeet but the sweat coming down the legs would make the pedals very slippery and noticed lil red dots all over heel bottom, broken capillaries. from the pattern on the pedals, hence the heels up technique, whereas I use my back muscles for these beats.
mortmortmuort 3 years ago
I was at 288 bpm back in 03, and I did it in Doc Martins - No joke! They were all worn out. I've unfortunately lost a lot of speed due to laziness..... In trying to get back on it, I'm wearing Pumas.
danlc95 3 years ago
lmao
NYGSD 3 years ago
I don't really understand this flatfoot technique... I mean, isn't it a normal bassdrum technique ( heel up ), just at a higher tempo ?
I mean I think that I use the same technique, but I I've never heard about this technique just about heel down, heel up, ankle motion, heel-toe..
I mean, what kind of technique are using the other drummers ? at 200bpm for example and no ankles.. ?
Bosticman explains it as well, but what's the difference between this and a normal heel up ?
dunaucca 3 years ago
Flatfoot is a little different than heel-up. You use your whole leg for flatfoot, and you just use ankle motion for heel-up. It's called flatfoot because you keep your ankles locked horizontally, and your legs do all the work.
SlayerFan1993 3 years ago 4
This video totally rocks!!! Derek R. is soooo profesional (y)
MetalArmyMx 3 years ago
"im sitting at work" lol
TecLogik 3 years ago
Hey is it me, or is the guy with the beard beside the monitor Ramon Ochoa (Bosticman)? I really think it's him.
NicholasJamesWells 3 years ago 3