i belive in the evolution stuff, i also believe in God... you would be a fool to believe that humans just magicaly appeared on earth with the flick of Gods fingers
"Primate fossil 'NOT an ancestor'" (BBC, October, 21 2009)
"Dr Erik Seiffert says that Ida belonged to a group more closely linked to lemurs than to monkeys, apes or us... [Dr Seiffert continues] "They are more closely related to lemurs and lorises than they are to tarsirs or monkeys, apes and humans. This study would effectively REMOVE Ida from our ancestry."
Also see: "Convergent evolution of anthropoid-like adaptations in Eocene adapiform primates" (Nature)
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I'm sorry to burst your bubbles, my Athiest and Darwinist friends. Once again this type of attempt to provide an evidence of the missing link, is debunked by Harun Yahya.
You haven't burst any bubbles, you prick. There is no missing link. There is more than enough evidence to prove that anyone who doesn't believe in evolution belongs with the flat earth society and those that think Harry Potter is real!
Harun Yahya is a moron just like that murdering pedophile, Mohamed!
no1 told me about Evolution, when I became an Adult I read and researched for myself. I learned what man had found out. Science is not an opinion it is Factual. I studied religion when I was 23 for 3 years with lessons 3 times per week, I read everyday. I did so to research for myself & find the truth. I did. at least for myself! I dont put people down who beleive in God, to me their like children who dont know who to cross the street yet(not meaning to be insulting)
when some1 has been told since birth that God is real what else would they think? Its brainwashing & if you ever listen to a preacher its powerful medicine! who wouldnt want to think there is a God that loves us! But we have to eventually Evolve in mental & spiritual ways that allow us to move forward as a species! It will be next to impossible! But Australopithecus & Homo Habilis would have thought flight impossible too!
When some1 has been told since birth that evolution is real what else would they think? It's brainwashing and if you ever listen to a scientist it's powerful medicine! Who wouldn't want to think that there is no God, no1 to hold us accountable for our sins! But we eventually are realize that we are sinners and acknowledge Jesus Christ as our LORD & Savior & move foward to become the men and women God intended us to be. With God all things are possible, but without Jesus you think God is mpsible
its pointless to argue faith. Science HAS proven Evolution is factual. We Have fossil records. Evolution is not an idea or an opinion but True factual Science! Some people Need faith, it keeps them in line & helps them have strength. The world needs to take care of their young & educate people to grow to be complete humans so they wont need religion to keep them in line or honest or afraid! but we have so Many bigger problems we are not addressing first... were all in trouble!
I beleive that "jesus" is a metaphor for something or someone else
the ancient sumerians beleive that we were created to be slaves to mine gold
and the Myans also somehow appeared with advanced technology. There seems to be a "jeseus" in almost every religion born from a virgin. I almost think that jesus is our Sun.
Nor as in Neither? So Jesus wasn't nor Horus? But a few posts earlier you used him as debate fodder?
And Jesus was proved, like I said earlier. Paul suggested to go talk to the eyewitnesses that saw it go down.
Just because you took a little class does not make you an expert...I know I know, you think you're smarter than us dumb christian sheep right? Please just "read" the bible, it won't hurt you... I promis.
// Please just "read" the bible, it won't hurt you... I promis. //
Please just read my bio. It may disturb you, however, as I am a former minister. Yes, you can possess multiple degrees. I went back for my science degree after leaving the pastoral position I held.
And no, I do not think I'm "smarter" than Christians. However, I would make the case that I'm far more well-read and studied in both fields (science and theology) than yourself. Certainly more logical.
rationalmuscle, you got owned. The protein laminin is pretty cool. And you seriously brought up Horus??...like that was going to help your case. Horus was never ever proved to have been killed then resurrected. However when Paul wrote ROMANS about 15-25years after Jesus' crucifixion he said If you don't believe me go ask the 500 people who saw him die, get put in a tomb, then rise from the dead. He said go ask the "eyewitnesses" they're still alive.
// you got owned. The protein laminin is pretty cool //
You are joking. Read my last comment. You're in way over your head.
// Horus was never ever proved to have been killed then resurrected. //
Nor was Jesus.
// go ask the 500 people who saw him die //
Oh dear. Nary a mention of this fact in the Gospels. Nary a mention of the "dead saints" rising from their graves either -- not by "any" historian at the time.
And not one scholar places Romans prior to 52 BCE. Get your facts straight.
// The book of Isaiah that was found in the 1940's was dated before the birth Christ. The same Isaiah that people have used throughout the centuries. //
1. This is 'not' an original manuscript. This is a copy. Isaiah was self-dated to 800 BCE. The DSS copy is no older than 150 BCE.
2. My life is far from mundane. I'm a medical researcher and have the pleasure of saving lives for a living. And, might I add, of seeing the "design" of your god first-hand. You should see ebola under a microscope.
The belief that a cosmic jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... yeah, makes perfect sense....
Humans evolved from monkeys? That's fucking retarded. How could anyone possibly believe that?
So these few bones prove all of religion to be wrong! Now we can live our 80 or so years (if we're lucky) however we want then die with no hope of anything else!! Praise science!!!....Believing that evolution explains everything = No purpose of life, no prospect of anything but death. Enjoy your weekend, thats all that matters anyway right?
You seem to have trouble differentiating between what is true and what you would like to be true, if you need the comfort blanket of the "magic man" in the sky that's your business, just don't try convincing people who are comfortable with the truth, if you had a terminal illness would you want your doctor to tell you, or say "don't worry everything is fine" it's a direct analogy
Actually we do not need these bones to prove all of religion wrong. First off you christfags prove religion is bullshit every day by using it as an excuse to hate. Also on a more physical note there are some still living trees that are old enough to predate the beginning of the story of the bible which places the earth somewhere around 6-7 thousand years old. Other evidence is the ice records from the poles. So do some research don't just be an ideologue douche.
2,000 years of science and social evolution proves your religion wrong. While this does not "disprove" the concept of a god, or a mystical unicorn on Venus for that matter, every discovery from Copernicus to Ida keeps bashing down the door of the fairy tale of Genesis. And the Bible itself does a masterful job of discrediting its own; no sources, no original documents, contradictions, and outright evil condoned by Yahveh.
And thanks... I'll enjoy my weekend. You do the same.
I am sorry to say, but all year, the need to believe in something, I do not agree with the atheists, science will never explain everything, religion !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !, disk efficiency in the water close (i am speak italian, my englis very well " pezzoto "
down the science and living lareligione cristina Catolica, "God created the heavens and the earth and created man in his inmagine and likeness, then the chain of darwing and an invention of an idiot who invented this and cazata for Magyar,! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Science and religion of atheists like those who do not believe in religion and nesuna are searching for a plausible explanation for every phenomenon, and a cazzata, because man was created by god I am a Christian catolico, then I do not believe the bullshit the missing link in darwin, because for me culturally Darvin and a cartoon of Walt Disney darwing which is called the duck, which is a nice cardboard !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its not a rat, true as mammals we all share a common ancestor that was rat like, but what they have here is more of a prosimian, you know like Lemurs,
He's right! We didn't evolve...but God did! I have all the holy books to prove it too! Of course most of them were cut out of the Bible...silly Christians messing with God's word as though it were man's or something...they don't even know that God created Adam and Lillith, NOT Adam and Eve...well Eve came later...
Go ahead what do you mean that we didnt evolve but God did.
What are those books you speak of?
In Genesis there may be a mention of a woman before Eve. Book of Genesis and its dual creation accounts. Genesis 2:22 describes God's creation of Eve from Adam's rib, an earlier passage, 1:27 indicates that a woman had been made: The text places Lilith's creation after God's words in Genesis 2:18
However, if this is directed at Bart, then "one man" is a misnomer. There are hundreds upon hundreds of scholars who will attest to the same conclusions.
Question: Would you still be a Christian if all you had was the Epistles of Paul?
Can the word of one man be trusted?
(Answer: the earliest churches had ONLY the Pauline epistles, most written well before the Gospels.)
P.S. Excluding the various incarnations of the Torah and an OT prophet here and there, that is. But nothing of Jesus except the Pauline letters. Just to be clear. ; )
I entered into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ on my last day in Jerusalem while i was there to photograph the West Bank. I met Christians who tell me about the teachings of Jesus. After 30mins i accepted Him into my life & experienced something that i can only put down as coming from above. I was born again. Paul had a same relationship with Jesus Christ. So with Pauls accounts & my experience. I could with Faith believe in the 1 man Paul.
1. Do you accept that Muslims, Hindus, and indeed virtually every variety of "believer" on the planet has had similar conversion experiences? Since they cannot all be legitimate, would you therefore concede that it is "possible" to delude one's self?
2. My question was "could you believe based off of one man." Your story is backwards: believe 'then' Paul. I'm asking you to reconsider your logic: "Can the word of one man be trusted?"
Paul speaks of havin Salvation in Jesus. That is the message i heard. So i dont believe im workin backwards.
That event in Jerusalem was the end & a beginning of my life. Theres a long story leading up to that point i accepted Jesus & a whole new life began. As i said i felt something like never before & later on i believe God answered me
Not only having experienced 'good' i did exp 'bad' i meet someone 3 days before outside the Old City. Who offered/tempted me with things a man shouldnt. satan?
Because Christianity the only belief to have proven to have defeated death wit the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Jewish prophets told of a man who was divine who was to come to be our Saviour. Thousands of years before the birth of Christ. Jesus fulfilled the prophetic scriptures. The Book of Isaiah particularly & this O.T. book was found to be word for word perfect in the books that were found which became known as the Dead Sea Scrolls. Jesus's Words also brought down the pagan Roman empire
// Because Christianity the only belief to have proven to have defeated death wit the resurrection of Jesus Christ. //
I also submit to you the other resurrection messiah myths: Horus, Mithra, etc. Many resurrection tales David. Many pre-dating Christ (some around the same era... some eerie in similarity... let's do the math.)
Also, this does not address the question: How can you be sure you are not just a delusional as you believe all Hindus and Muslims to be?
I dont mind being challenged. But i have ended because your tone became aggressive. Your resorting to upper case to get your point across. You asked for one prophesy and ended that repeating your demand for One. Your tone is slightly a bit much for me at the moment and you started with me with an agenda. You can disagree on that its your choice.
But you should see Laminin under the mircoscope and recite Colossians 1:17
// Your resorting to upper case to get your point across. //
So, upper-case = hostile? I see. Then my original post was hostile as well as it contained upper-case letters. This is merely a point of "emphasis", much as those quotations.
// You asked for one prophesy and ended that repeating your demand for One. Your tone is slightly a bit much for me at the moment and you started with me with an agenda. //
No, I asked you to give me one non post-facto. You did not. And I have no agenda.
Do you need reading glasses? "Researcher". Moi. I was a part of the team re: 67-kDa laminin receptors originating from ribosomal protein from a dual function during evolution. Oh... "evolution"... yep. Laminin is a prime example of microscopic evolution.
Nonetheless, you cite upper-case as a criteria for being upset when you accuse myself and others of having "mundane lives."
What a standard.
David, I suggest you read up on ERVs, take two aspirin and YT me in the morning...
// God would come to earth and become a man. (Isaiah 9:6-7) O.T. //
Please read the question again. I asked for one prophecy that could not be fulfilled post-facto. This is about as post-facto as you get.
Second, the prophecy in Isaiah was concerning an 'earthly' ruler over the House of David (i.e. a liberator of Israel). Notice the words "government"...
// The Book of Isaiah particularly & this O.T. book was found to be word for word perfect in the books that were found which became known as the Dead Sea Scrolls. //
Wrong again. We have NO originals of ANY biblical texts. None.
// Jesus's Words also brought down the pagan Roman empire. //
Read much history? Not 'one thing' can be attributed to the fall of the Roman Empire. Even so, what of all the other "pagan" empires left standing? Rome was rebuilt as well.
Your tone is becomin more aggressive. I will be finishin this conversation. Jesus was a carpenters son from a distant Roman outpost of Nazareth. Put to death by this same Empire only for that Empire to embrace His Teachings & all done without even a battle. Thats the power that Christ's words have. It can change the most hardened of hearts & minds. & bring down Empires. It changed from a pagan to a Christian empire.
Im sorry u lost your faith but that doesnt mean that Christianity is false. Bye
In what way? I would like to hear if anyone else senses this aggressive tone. I would submit you do not like to be honestly challenged David.
// It changed from a pagan to a Christian empire. //
Yes, I did my masters thesis on this very subject (my doctorates was in theological philosophy). Christ's teachings most certainly played a part, but a small part. And you consider new Rome a "christian empire?" Oxymoron at its finest.
we were not created you idiot. Just because your mommy and daddy told you that and an ancient book says so doesn't make it so. Also Santa isn't real, sorry to break that to ya.
I have over 50 paleo videos on fossils / geology .New lectures every month from oldest fossil club in the USA .Check out my videos , new ones added monthly !
thats not prove of evilution, that prove of some bones. anyone beleaves that shet is a dam fool, it dont even look like no person, how hell is that spose to be are great great great great great great great great grandma when its really just the bones of a cat? yeah yeah, stupod ass evilutionionist, sure that is are great great great cat ancestor LOL, besides I thought we evalved from monkeys not no cats
this is gods country! if you dont like it, you coul go live on mars with your science shet
First ! Thanks for posting this will help clear up the misinformation about this .Missing link is a misnomer out dated term confused by sci. illiterate society .
i belive in the evolution stuff, i also believe in God... you would be a fool to believe that humans just magicaly appeared on earth with the flick of Gods fingers
alicadus 1 year ago
@alicadus amen lol
howler369 1 year ago
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Check your facts, Post!
"Primate fossil 'NOT an ancestor'" (BBC, October, 21 2009)
"Dr Erik Seiffert says that Ida belonged to a group more closely linked to lemurs than to monkeys, apes or us... [Dr Seiffert continues] "They are more closely related to lemurs and lorises than they are to tarsirs or monkeys, apes and humans. This study would effectively REMOVE Ida from our ancestry."
Also see: "Convergent evolution of anthropoid-like adaptations in Eocene adapiform primates" (Nature)
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
He s a little cheeky, but handsome indeed :)
eide97 2 years ago
It's an amazing find.
kdwormy 2 years ago
It may not be a direct link to humans but it sure has the bible packers upset.
They are all on IDE sites like it's a chat room.
gregrutz 2 years ago
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I'm sorry to burst your bubbles, my Athiest and Darwinist friends. Once again this type of attempt to provide an evidence of the missing link, is debunked by Harun Yahya.
Go to the first page of Harun Yahya's web site .
JohnHayward786 2 years ago
You haven't burst any bubbles, you prick. There is no missing link. There is more than enough evidence to prove that anyone who doesn't believe in evolution belongs with the flat earth society and those that think Harry Potter is real!
Harun Yahya is a moron just like that murdering pedophile, Mohamed!
If you believe in God then you're a disgrace!
moodini99 2 years ago 4
Do you really think anyone who doesn't believe in evolution will be convinced with MORE facts?
BinkieMcFartnuggets 2 years ago 4
no1 told me about Evolution, when I became an Adult I read and researched for myself. I learned what man had found out. Science is not an opinion it is Factual. I studied religion when I was 23 for 3 years with lessons 3 times per week, I read everyday. I did so to research for myself & find the truth. I did. at least for myself! I dont put people down who beleive in God, to me their like children who dont know who to cross the street yet(not meaning to be insulting)
bodyrocks1on1 2 years ago 3
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yyf147258 2 years ago
when some1 has been told since birth that God is real what else would they think? Its brainwashing & if you ever listen to a preacher its powerful medicine! who wouldnt want to think there is a God that loves us! But we have to eventually Evolve in mental & spiritual ways that allow us to move forward as a species! It will be next to impossible! But Australopithecus & Homo Habilis would have thought flight impossible too!
bodyrocks1on1 2 years ago 4
When some1 has been told since birth that evolution is real what else would they think? It's brainwashing and if you ever listen to a scientist it's powerful medicine! Who wouldn't want to think that there is no God, no1 to hold us accountable for our sins! But we eventually are realize that we are sinners and acknowledge Jesus Christ as our LORD & Savior & move foward to become the men and women God intended us to be. With God all things are possible, but without Jesus you think God is mpsible
722marine 2 years ago
the Jesuit said... "Give me the child when he is 7, and I will show you the man"
You're suggesting people are indoctrinated into evolution?
Schools barely touch on the subject in first year bio classes in HS.
I was, as others, told about Jesus, and God from a VERY early age. Ever since I can remember I was told about god.
However... it's difficult to argue against evolution... It's not however difficult to argue against any religion.
Sorry man, indoctrination is a religious trend.
chyrd 2 years ago 5
its pointless to argue faith. Science HAS proven Evolution is factual. We Have fossil records. Evolution is not an idea or an opinion but True factual Science! Some people Need faith, it keeps them in line & helps them have strength. The world needs to take care of their young & educate people to grow to be complete humans so they wont need religion to keep them in line or honest or afraid! but we have so Many bigger problems we are not addressing first... were all in trouble!
bodyrocks1on1 2 years ago 2
I beleive that "jesus" is a metaphor for something or someone else
the ancient sumerians beleive that we were created to be slaves to mine gold
and the Myans also somehow appeared with advanced technology. There seems to be a "jeseus" in almost every religion born from a virgin. I almost think that jesus is our Sun.
jdusty77 2 years ago
This video must scare the shit out of Creationists
xIntoThePitx 2 years ago
ha ha, oh but my facts are straight little one.
Nor was Jesus.
Nor as in Neither? So Jesus wasn't nor Horus? But a few posts earlier you used him as debate fodder?
And Jesus was proved, like I said earlier. Paul suggested to go talk to the eyewitnesses that saw it go down.
Just because you took a little class does not make you an expert...I know I know, you think you're smarter than us dumb christian sheep right? Please just "read" the bible, it won't hurt you... I promis.
sevenavenger 2 years ago
// ha ha, oh but my facts are straight little one. //
You cannot grasp the irony of the analogy, so I'll break it down for you:
1. David suggested that his faith was the 'real one' because of a resurrected messiah.
2. I gave Horus as one of MANY others making the same claim.
3. I believe them both to be false. Do you understand now? Do you care to address The Big M as well?
// Just because you took a little class...//
I'm a PhD and was part of that study team. Hardly "a class". Read my bio.
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
// Please just "read" the bible, it won't hurt you... I promis. //
Please just read my bio. It may disturb you, however, as I am a former minister. Yes, you can possess multiple degrees. I went back for my science degree after leaving the pastoral position I held.
And no, I do not think I'm "smarter" than Christians. However, I would make the case that I'm far more well-read and studied in both fields (science and theology) than yourself. Certainly more logical.
And a better speller.
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
anything is possible no point in debating theories or faiths we are just pond life in a big big world.
ufoools 2 years ago
rationalmuscle, you got owned. The protein laminin is pretty cool. And you seriously brought up Horus??...like that was going to help your case. Horus was never ever proved to have been killed then resurrected. However when Paul wrote ROMANS about 15-25years after Jesus' crucifixion he said If you don't believe me go ask the 500 people who saw him die, get put in a tomb, then rise from the dead. He said go ask the "eyewitnesses" they're still alive.
sevenavenger 2 years ago
// you got owned. The protein laminin is pretty cool //
You are joking. Read my last comment. You're in way over your head.
// Horus was never ever proved to have been killed then resurrected. //
Nor was Jesus.
// go ask the 500 people who saw him die //
Oh dear. Nary a mention of this fact in the Gospels. Nary a mention of the "dead saints" rising from their graves either -- not by "any" historian at the time.
And not one scholar places Romans prior to 52 BCE. Get your facts straight.
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
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The book of Isaiah that was found in the 1940's was dated before the birth Christ. The same Isaiah that people have used throughout the centuries.
If thats not proof of original text.
Then people! you must live the most safest, mundane of life's.
ImagesByDavid 2 years ago
The book of Isaiah that was found in the 1940's was dated before the birth Christ. The same Isaiah that people have used throughout the centuries.
If thats not proof of original text.
Then people! you must live the most safest, mundane of life's.
ImagesByDavid 2 years ago
// The book of Isaiah that was found in the 1940's was dated before the birth Christ. The same Isaiah that people have used throughout the centuries. //
1. This is 'not' an original manuscript. This is a copy. Isaiah was self-dated to 800 BCE. The DSS copy is no older than 150 BCE.
2. My life is far from mundane. I'm a medical researcher and have the pleasure of saving lives for a living. And, might I add, of seeing the "design" of your god first-hand. You should see ebola under a microscope.
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
Christianity.
The belief that a cosmic jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... yeah, makes perfect sense....
Humans evolved from monkeys? That's fucking retarded. How could anyone possibly believe that?
MetaliKamp 2 years ago
So these few bones prove all of religion to be wrong! Now we can live our 80 or so years (if we're lucky) however we want then die with no hope of anything else!! Praise science!!!....Believing that evolution explains everything = No purpose of life, no prospect of anything but death. Enjoy your weekend, thats all that matters anyway right?
JoeyK85 2 years ago
You seem to have trouble differentiating between what is true and what you would like to be true, if you need the comfort blanket of the "magic man" in the sky that's your business, just don't try convincing people who are comfortable with the truth, if you had a terminal illness would you want your doctor to tell you, or say "don't worry everything is fine" it's a direct analogy
WaIterEgo 2 years ago 2
Actually we do not need these bones to prove all of religion wrong. First off you christfags prove religion is bullshit every day by using it as an excuse to hate. Also on a more physical note there are some still living trees that are old enough to predate the beginning of the story of the bible which places the earth somewhere around 6-7 thousand years old. Other evidence is the ice records from the poles. So do some research don't just be an ideologue douche.
tehsmythe 2 years ago
whos the one hating
KAMMM3 2 years ago
No Joey.
2,000 years of science and social evolution proves your religion wrong. While this does not "disprove" the concept of a god, or a mystical unicorn on Venus for that matter, every discovery from Copernicus to Ida keeps bashing down the door of the fairy tale of Genesis. And the Bible itself does a masterful job of discrediting its own; no sources, no original documents, contradictions, and outright evil condoned by Yahveh.
And thanks... I'll enjoy my weekend. You do the same.
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
the biggest truth of the world and fuck the rest are all balls LOL, !!!!!!!!
contedaculaz 2 years ago
I am sorry to say, but all year, the need to believe in something, I do not agree with the atheists, science will never explain everything, religion !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !, disk efficiency in the water close (i am speak italian, my englis very well " pezzoto "
contedaculaz 2 years ago
down the science and living lareligione cristina Catolica, "God created the heavens and the earth and created man in his inmagine and likeness, then the chain of darwing and an invention of an idiot who invented this and cazata for Magyar,! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
contedaculaz 2 years ago
Science and religion of atheists like those who do not believe in religion and nesuna are searching for a plausible explanation for every phenomenon, and a cazzata, because man was created by god I am a Christian catolico, then I do not believe the bullshit the missing link in darwin, because for me culturally Darvin and a cartoon of Walt Disney darwing which is called the duck, which is a nice cardboard !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
contedaculaz 2 years ago
its not a rat, true as mammals we all share a common ancestor that was rat like, but what they have here is more of a prosimian, you know like Lemurs,
Tallacus 2 years ago
all it proves is that they found what they assume to be an old rat
philblunt420 2 years ago
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Freakin Idiots!!!! This is no Human link!!!!! We did not evolve Morons we where created!! Missing link my ass!!!!
ChromeDove 2 years ago
lol Dumbass keep telling yourself that. Silly creationist. Now run along and read you big book of Fairy Tales.
AristotleP 2 years ago 3
ChromeDove, that's your best argument?
Yikes......
Snoots 2 years ago
he's probably one of those people who doesn't like science because they had to take it as a academic requirement in school
Tallacus 2 years ago
He's right! We didn't evolve...but God did! I have all the holy books to prove it too! Of course most of them were cut out of the Bible...silly Christians messing with God's word as though it were man's or something...they don't even know that God created Adam and Lillith, NOT Adam and Eve...well Eve came later...
WolfSyndrome 2 years ago
Go ahead what do you mean that we didnt evolve but God did.
What are those books you speak of?
In Genesis there may be a mention of a woman before Eve. Book of Genesis and its dual creation accounts. Genesis 2:22 describes God's creation of Eve from Adam's rib, an earlier passage, 1:27 indicates that a woman had been made: The text places Lilith's creation after God's words in Genesis 2:18
ImagesByDavid 2 years ago 2
that first part was a joke...
WolfSyndrome 2 years ago
And the books that you mentioned?
Im a bible believing Christian. I be interested as to what u got.
ImagesByDavid 2 years ago
check out Misquoting Jesus by Bart D. Ehrman...that book sums up the evolution of the Bible quite nicely.
WolfSyndrome 2 years ago
But can the word of 1 man be trusted?
ImagesByDavid 2 years ago
Interesting point David... I would say no.
However, if this is directed at Bart, then "one man" is a misnomer. There are hundreds upon hundreds of scholars who will attest to the same conclusions.
Question: Would you still be a Christian if all you had was the Epistles of Paul?
Can the word of one man be trusted?
(Answer: the earliest churches had ONLY the Pauline epistles, most written well before the Gospels.)
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
P.S. Excluding the various incarnations of the Torah and an OT prophet here and there, that is. But nothing of Jesus except the Pauline letters. Just to be clear. ; )
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
I entered into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ on my last day in Jerusalem while i was there to photograph the West Bank. I met Christians who tell me about the teachings of Jesus. After 30mins i accepted Him into my life & experienced something that i can only put down as coming from above. I was born again. Paul had a same relationship with Jesus Christ. So with Pauls accounts & my experience. I could with Faith believe in the 1 man Paul.
ImagesByDavid 2 years ago
Hi David,
Just two quick questions:
1. Do you accept that Muslims, Hindus, and indeed virtually every variety of "believer" on the planet has had similar conversion experiences? Since they cannot all be legitimate, would you therefore concede that it is "possible" to delude one's self?
2. My question was "could you believe based off of one man." Your story is backwards: believe 'then' Paul. I'm asking you to reconsider your logic: "Can the word of one man be trusted?"
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
Paul speaks of havin Salvation in Jesus. That is the message i heard. So i dont believe im workin backwards.
That event in Jerusalem was the end & a beginning of my life. Theres a long story leading up to that point i accepted Jesus & a whole new life began. As i said i felt something like never before & later on i believe God answered me
Not only having experienced 'good' i did exp 'bad' i meet someone 3 days before outside the Old City. Who offered/tempted me with things a man shouldnt. satan?
ImagesByDavid 2 years ago
I believe in the supernatural. Some people experience that supernatural be it from false gods or God.
ImagesByDavid 2 years ago
// I believe in the supernatural. Some people experience that supernatural be it from false gods or God. //
And how do you know yours was not from a false god?
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
Because Christianity the only belief to have proven to have defeated death wit the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Jewish prophets told of a man who was divine who was to come to be our Saviour. Thousands of years before the birth of Christ. Jesus fulfilled the prophetic scriptures. The Book of Isaiah particularly & this O.T. book was found to be word for word perfect in the books that were found which became known as the Dead Sea Scrolls. Jesus's Words also brought down the pagan Roman empire
ImagesByDavid 2 years ago
// Because Christianity the only belief to have proven to have defeated death wit the resurrection of Jesus Christ. //
This is not "proven" in any way.
// The Jewish prophets told of a man who was divine who was to come to be our Saviour. //
No. They foretold of a "messiah" to save Israel from the hands of the Roman Empire. The rest was read into the text post-facto.
// Jesus fulfilled the prophetic scriptures. //
Name "one" that could not be interpreted post-facto by followers. One.
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
// Because Christianity the only belief to have proven to have defeated death wit the resurrection of Jesus Christ. //
I also submit to you the other resurrection messiah myths: Horus, Mithra, etc. Many resurrection tales David. Many pre-dating Christ (some around the same era... some eerie in similarity... let's do the math.)
Also, this does not address the question: How can you be sure you are not just a delusional as you believe all Hindus and Muslims to be?
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
I dont mind being challenged. But i have ended because your tone became aggressive. Your resorting to upper case to get your point across. You asked for one prophesy and ended that repeating your demand for One. Your tone is slightly a bit much for me at the moment and you started with me with an agenda. You can disagree on that its your choice.
But you should see Laminin under the mircoscope and recite Colossians 1:17
Goodnight and God bless
ImagesByDavid 2 years ago
// Your resorting to upper case to get your point across. //
So, upper-case = hostile? I see. Then my original post was hostile as well as it contained upper-case letters. This is merely a point of "emphasis", much as those quotations.
// You asked for one prophesy and ended that repeating your demand for One. Your tone is slightly a bit much for me at the moment and you started with me with an agenda. //
No, I asked you to give me one non post-facto. You did not. And I have no agenda.
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
Do you need reading glasses? "Researcher". Moi. I was a part of the team re: 67-kDa laminin receptors originating from ribosomal protein from a dual function during evolution. Oh... "evolution"... yep. Laminin is a prime example of microscopic evolution.
Nonetheless, you cite upper-case as a criteria for being upset when you accuse myself and others of having "mundane lives."
What a standard.
David, I suggest you read up on ERVs, take two aspirin and YT me in the morning...
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
God would come to earth and become a man. (Isaiah 9:6-7) O.T.
Fulfilled
John (1:1-3), ( 14) N.T.
ImagesByDavid 2 years ago
// God would come to earth and become a man. (Isaiah 9:6-7) O.T. //
Please read the question again. I asked for one prophecy that could not be fulfilled post-facto. This is about as post-facto as you get.
Second, the prophecy in Isaiah was concerning an 'earthly' ruler over the House of David (i.e. a liberator of Israel). Notice the words "government"...
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
// The Book of Isaiah particularly & this O.T. book was found to be word for word perfect in the books that were found which became known as the Dead Sea Scrolls. //
Wrong again. We have NO originals of ANY biblical texts. None.
// Jesus's Words also brought down the pagan Roman empire. //
Read much history? Not 'one thing' can be attributed to the fall of the Roman Empire. Even so, what of all the other "pagan" empires left standing? Rome was rebuilt as well.
Your logic sir is lacking.
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
Your tone is becomin more aggressive. I will be finishin this conversation. Jesus was a carpenters son from a distant Roman outpost of Nazareth. Put to death by this same Empire only for that Empire to embrace His Teachings & all done without even a battle. Thats the power that Christ's words have. It can change the most hardened of hearts & minds. & bring down Empires. It changed from a pagan to a Christian empire.
Im sorry u lost your faith but that doesnt mean that Christianity is false. Bye
ImagesByDavid 2 years ago
// Your tone is becomin more aggressive. //
In what way? I would like to hear if anyone else senses this aggressive tone. I would submit you do not like to be honestly challenged David.
// It changed from a pagan to a Christian empire. //
Yes, I did my masters thesis on this very subject (my doctorates was in theological philosophy). Christ's teachings most certainly played a part, but a small part. And you consider new Rome a "christian empire?" Oxymoron at its finest.
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
we were not created you idiot. Just because your mommy and daddy told you that and an ancient book says so doesn't make it so. Also Santa isn't real, sorry to break that to ya.
PathofReason 2 years ago
I agree with you...but that wasn't very convincing. T_T
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flyingscience 2 years ago