TF2 goes realistic??

[geoken3]

This is unforgivable. How can Valve allow such unrealistic game mechanics in their war sim.

[TheRoyalAquamaster]

>says FoN is more realistic

>forgets to account the fact that the Scout can defy gravity with ti

[alexadrian09]

idiot when scout reload he takes all of them srry for bad english

[assburgers95]

it's called magazine, not clip.

[GeIsTeRwEiSbRoT]

You know whats funny? He complains about the pistol, while the engy doesn't even fukcing take the clip out. He just stuffs in an endless supply of clips :D

[mingthegamer]

so is soda poper /_\

[cipinic]

Umm... nice video idea but I think everyone knows this already.

[Nicklovesgames]

Dude. Look at the reload animation. YOU TAKE OUT BOTH SHOTGUN SHELLS. HERP DERP.

[NicolasOwl]

You will be shocked, if you watch to another shooters like BattleField3

[Potatoman43]

who gives a damn about realism

[sunkaiiiii]

lol have u ever shot a shotgun mr realistic?

[XTGNecro]

Sure,TF2 is realistic with ubercharge and a infinite reloading sandvich that heals you.

[1BeastlyButterfly1]

WhAt did u expect? An Olympia?

[Pokemonminecraftdude]

Tf2 isnt realistic, the scout has a gun with a soda can attached that powers as he runs. Realistic my arrow through my knee.

[Broadcastermaster29]

TF2 is not deigned based upon realism, they don't use the magazine clip idea where you have about 10 mags and if you reload, even if you shoot one bullet 9 mags left. The reason they did this is because this is a fast paced multiplayer game, and most people would not like the idea. It was nice that you found it, but its irrelevant.

[9maxmoller]

You shut 2 tims

[sirroger11]

OMG AN UNREALISTIC VIDEO GAME? BLASPHEMY I SHALL RETURN TO STARING AT POST CARDS

[SuperEzekial99]

Reason for take 2 shells out of backup ammo for Force a nature apon reloading, even if 1 shot was fired.

1st of all, when you reload this thing, the scout takes 2 shells out of the gun, in order to stick to the bonuses that is said in the guns desc.

U know, the faster reload thing? besides, it would take pretty long to hold one shell in, load another and go.

As for the pistol, SMG and syringe....? I think valve just wanted to keep some ammo left over. so players don't run out THAT quickly.

[Guitar6943]

are you kidding me, that this is actually a video?

[keef920]

Holy shit somebody's obviously never played a single FPS in their life ever

[Madtrixr]

ah yes, a programming quirk means they're going "realistic"

nice job bro

[FalaUmNickAe]

NO SHIT SHERLOCK

[anhtien14]

if you wabt realsm, join the fucking army

[FreakyGrandpa]

@anhtien14 you just took the idea from MrGerolf

[JakesterVideo]

If all games were realistic.

There'd be no fat people.

Or good games.

[MTT563]

When the scout opens his FaN, both shells fly out. No time to pick up the spare, or to have an odd number of ammo. However,he can just keep the unemptied clip with him.

[xXMoLtEnMaStAXx]

''when you fire 2 shots , it takes 2 shots away from your ammo'' well fucking done einstein

[TheAwsome301]

@xXMoLtEnMaStAXx I Am Subscribing to you for that comment :)

[Omfgninjafollower]

@xXMoLtEnMaStAXx No, its "no shit sherlock" :D

[MrTdesupppii]

It's supposed to do that it does that in every fps other wise ud run out of amo really quic I reload after one shot as a habit so I'm glad it doesn't do that, idiot

[NickH787]

DUde valve cant even make new animations for the new weapons

[XxCodeHawkEyexX]

U drop 2 bullets out of the force-a-nature herp derp

[Warm1nator]

NO sh.t Sherlock

[drfiree]

It's better this way.

[FluffyJay1]

It does that because it is still considered a scattergun, because it is replacing scout's scattergun, and if one shell has been fired then the reload is quick, but if two shells have been fired than it is twice as long. However, Valve doesn't want the two shells to eject and have a super fast reload.

[TheMastahBlastah]

>Not knowing the difference between a clip and a magazine

>2011

[vaxrave97]

reclaimed metal + wooden bat = fish  :l

[HankandOliver1]

cool story, bro

[nickcrash631]

dude it fires both of the bullets at the same time

[XTGNecro]

@nickcrash631 no it doesnt..you shot one bullet each time...

[someguy827]

I don't really care, but I would like to know what the name of the song you used was :3

[mertos2]

that just normal when u reload they want to be sure how much ammo they have and reloading 2 bullets just takes to dam long so they just change the clip :3 same as for the shotgun cause they have a natural move on the reload. its based on WAR so there is No time changing itty bitty bullets 1 after another. if u can get 6 bullets in just 2 seconds. good its a waste for your ammo but youl stay alive on battlefields.

[RobinOlsen2011]

Dude, you dont reload by putting some new bullets in.

[realLagMaster]

dude, the force of nature and the soda poper have this system

[StalkingTaka]

every game fucking does this

[rubikguyftw]

um, if you only fire one round, wouldn't it be more realistic to only reload one shell, because that's what you would do with a double barrel shotgun in real life?

[ilurius]

@rubikguyftw But isnt it faster to just drop both of them?

[rubikguyftw]

@ilurius but you waste ammo, what you're supposed to do is fire both barrels and then reload, but if you still have a live round, it's best to keep it in to conserve ammo

[misdekpkac]

OMG YOU ARE SO SMART *sarcasm...* i dont give half a shit

[Pauli997]

weapons take total ammo when you reload...INCREDIBLE!!!

[TheNiksa11]

it says on weapon desc..... FaN loses ammo 

[MrGerolf]

it's called a game.

If you want realism, go join the Military,

or go and get a life...

[MrAber28]

its just part of the penatly associated with the FoN

[pikachu7567]

Cod does this too, except the difference is that CoD claims to be realistic, this game does not



[falucho2332]

It's just like cod >_>

[Overebx]

Force-A-Nature reload is legit, cus the scout takes out 2 shotgun shells, even thou he didn't fire them both.

[TFCxAddict]

@Overebx WOAH WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK???

[InternetSettings]

Dude get over it.

[DarkGamerProject]

dude its so old..and call of duty and alot of other games have that same thing..

[Airrivalsgamer]

why got scouts pistol just 32 ammo and enginers pistol 200?

[IIGrayfoxII]

@Airrivalsgamer

Because scout is overpowered and can protect himslef by running and hidin'

Engie needs extra to get rid of the Sph sappin' mah sentry

[jhjh968]

@Airrivalsgamer Scout needs to be able to run quicker.

[takadox80]

tf2 realistic, nah! I'm gona blow that dumd look right of his stupid FACE! He is gona have a REAL BAD DAY!

[TFCxAddict]

WOAHHH SO FUCKING COOL dumbass

[foxmccould1]

FaN you took out both shells threw them away, pistol you still keep the magazines dumbass

[0felex01]

Music name?

[0felex01]

About reload SMG and pistol when you reload, you hold the clips that still have bullets and use them last and put bullets in one clip, amazing what you can do while jumping around like a shit kid.

[Kingitchi85]

nah man its real...why? because when u reload, both casing (either loaded or empty) gets taken away and two new bullets is then reloaded, that'z how sway-off shotgun works

[Skeletom10]

I AM FROM THE FUTURE! WE HAVE LASER GUNS AND SHIT! YOUR PUNY ARGUMENT IS INVALID!

[leoisforevercool]

i think you need complicated reload fps 2011, where reloads can take up to 5 minutes.

[thedancingtomato]

Pistols and handguns don't have "ammo-clips" dumbass. They have magazines.

[Intervention2500]

is a game

[TheDeg5555]

if TF2 had realism it wouldn´t be diferent from that COD shit >:I

[coolguy2191]

@TheDeg5555 CoD isn't realistic.

[r41d3n518]

no shit if you take 2 shells out of a shotgun it would make sence to lose 2 ammo. dumbass

[0kmet0]

Lol The ammo using SAME IN ALL GAMES you fucking retard

[Mario78718]

"A thing i've noticed about the scout's new weapon "Force-a-Nature".." I laughed and laughed. I know the video is old, but this is have been OOOOOOOOLLLLLDDDD old!

[toSTONEiGO]

dosnt everyone know about this? it dosnt need a video... its not like you every run out of ammo with the FAN anyways. the real problem with the scout is that the shortstop and pistol use the same ammo pool.

[shutupisaprayer]

this was fixed, and the pistol behaviour is the same in all source gaemz

[lolwutscout]

THE FORCE OF NATURE IS A DOUBLEBARREL SO THATS WHY IT FIRES 2 BULLETS AT A TIME

[NekoHunterx3]

@lolwutscout 2 bullets? that is a major fail they are pellets :|

[Textrosity]

I'm afraid you're the only one who cares...

[TheTimestopper]

and not a single fuck was given that day...

[Raoul1311]

in almost every game its like that idiot

[MK7896]

Did i need to know any of this shit?????????

[Starioshka]

Force a nature was bugged now its fixed.

[ChintzyFobGames]

well yeah its not gonna take some of ur ammo for reloading a not empty clip

[viliussmproductions]

he drops out both bullets so it makes sence

[TheGuyThirteen]

You lost two shots from the Force-A-Nature because the Scout takes both shells out. It would've been more realistic if the Scout only replaced one shell.

[sh4d0w4rri0r]

yeah don't forget double and triple jumping is realistic too!

[guypersonresidents]

you know you can put bullets in/ take bullets out of a clip right?

[bobbybob1471]

an old episode of "Is It A Good Idea To Microwave This" popped up in the suggestion box. This reminded me that the show has ended and now i am the sad :(

[chimpanzee243]

Dude who gives a shit?

[MrSlayer543]

@chimpanzee243 me

[bendikn]

lol, none of you know what a clip is.

[SumRandomRem]

On a game with ubercharges rocket jumps and fish weapons it's ludicrous to talk about realism in the first place



[Bapkiller28]

@SumRandomRem and making hat with metal :P

[sli908]

@SumRandomRem not to mention flawless disguises, invis watches, dispensers, teleporters, and medi guns (and the payload bomb dispenser thing)

[davpd]

And the engineer did'nt take the clip out >:(

[PootisGuy123]

deal with it.

[222oree]

you're only a kid who does not know anything about weapons!scout might catch the ammo and used it later!!

[TheCheetosGuy]

I think the game is better like this.

[baikoleda1]

well if you look at the animation you will se why

[KydDragon]

The FAN sucks anyway, good scrap metal though.

[smak64]

Makes sense. with the force-a-nature, he loses 2 shots because he empties both cases from the chamber, but he doesn't take the shot that was loaded. All he did was take both shots out without thinking of keeping the one he DIDN'T use.

[MrWafflesthefish]

@smak64 Would take TF2 time to make scout reload 1 when you fired 1 shot and reload 2 if you fired them both, you need to apply a lot to the files and scripts then.

[darthvadersaprentise]

you know how long it would take to take a clip out of a gun just to put 2 bullets in it? when its takes 2 seconds to just reload the whole thing...

[sporister]

Yea...you know. Cause aiming at the ground to gain height is so realistic...

[OokamitheMusicalWolf]

I basically see it as more of a programing thing. Think of the sniper in DODs. Both are able to be reloaded with loose ammo, however even if you only take 1 shot you still push 5 bullets into the thing. Reason being 5 different reload animations would be unnecessarily large and having a one bullet reload would be aggravating when your not actually in combat.

[TheEvalButterfree]

@OokamitheMusicalWolf no the end if code could be used...basicly it wouldent have t be like that

[ndelta6xxx]

Let's see.........I know 17 different fps were they do the same thing

[IdiotNoJutsu]

what I'd love to see is that Heavy would have a reload on his minigun any of them

[CAMECAZI232]

can you get the force a nature on tf2 for the xbox360?

[lordbryanz]

@CAMECAZI232 no, at consoles there arent unlockables

[DrMopZodiac]

as seen in every video game ever

[Dryerlintproduction]

personal opinion if magazines and ammo usage and reloading style bothers you don't play games go do the real thing in the military cause this is a game if you want real go do real just saying

[Eddii3]

@Dryerlintproduction Not wanting real or anything but that is a shitty argument. In "real" you don't respawn, thus some may want realistic games.

[finalfantasy50]

@Eddii3 Well, if a game is too realistic, you dont respawn. Ever. You die once in a game. And you are dead...

[Eddii3]

@finalfantasy50 Generally, no. People want realism to a certain point. Not actual reality.

[finalfantasy50]

@Eddii3 :P

[oopsIdidasuper]

@Dryerlintproduction so dumb it hurts.

[xDL0V3h0us3xD]

They did it just for this gun wvry other shooter like cod has the same with the pistols and stuff what they make with shotguns while opening the shotgun one finger stays on the bullett so it dont get lost whitch makes no sence because the pistol changes the hole clip

[Kinjry]

"ammo-clip"

It's a magazine you dolt

[skorpion1298]

uhmm.... i think this is normal... what you show on there? on every shooter game i played is this like you said it on the video... but good that you have seen this too... after a loong time =)

[balisong0286]

nah, pistol is a exeption, with the conditions some ppl talk about of ppl reloading the magazine with clips by his fingers, that's HORRIBLY underpowered, considering pistols are OG weps and therefore suitable to the vast percentage of ppl who play tf2. FaN is definitely the worst primary for a scout, even making it worse by the clip ineffeciency, coz a slower-firing scattergun has the same ammo carried.

[jellywillreturn]

Its great to see this intelligent ballad is available in 1080p.

[warhero40000]

Well engies clip never comes out he puts more in xD

[janis7111]

thats valves fail they should make when svout shoot one bullet and relodes scout need to push bullet with hes finger and at same time put new bullet for other side 

SRY IF U DONT UNDERSTAND I GOT BAD ENGLISH

[EegrasStudios]

Clips go into magazines, magazines go into guns. With rare exception do clips go into guns.

[MasterOfWin7]

If you look in the items_game.txt file in tf2 the fan has a hidden attribute that makes it do that. but i have only seen this attribute on the fan.

[TheLemonGrenade]

Oh well.

It's not like anyone's ever been strategic with their shots using the FaN.

That thing is not a pic-your-shots weapon.

Not by a long shot

[Jjayd1st]

May I be the first to say Tl;dr

If not, then I said it anyways, the video probably had a point to be made, but I'm not that bothered about the ammo consumption of a Scout, possibly others will find this video helpful.

<3

[shinoobido]

NOOOO! Now i must save my ammo

[laconic151]

DUDE. The shells of the Force of Nature hit the ground. The pistol clip is pocketed for later. That's why the total ammo doesn't go down. When you are almost completely out of ammo, this will show up.

[PlayitLoudRAWR]

@laconic151 you are completely right. real soldiers do the same. If theres a clip on an automatic and you fired a lot of rounds, and theres a dull in the batlle, one would reload. but he doesnt throw away that ammo. he might still need it later. thats why if you dont pick up ammo packs in tf2, you might have 11 bullets in a clip left. that isnt to realistic anyways cuz it could have been three clips with 5 4 and 2 instead. with the fan, you load shells. and its a slow reload so he doesnt pocket.

[RawrNinjaBurgers]

HOLY SHIT I DIDNT NOTICED THAT!!!

oh wait YES I DID! moron i want my minute and 14 seconds back!

[kaneangel2012]

i dont understand why this needs a video

[xArktisFlamex]

I actually didn't notice that. Good eye

[TTGxLolibox]

Yeah, cuz if you fire with a pistol you still only loose the shots u fired

but on the scattergun or whatever it takes 2 shots no-matter-what

[orkzrokkin]

Yeah, never understood why even if the character drops the magasine, he keeps the ammo in it :S

[kevinmarquez19]

So Valve makes ALL these update, new maps, etc. but they cant put an extra animation for a double barreled shotgun with one shell in it? pretty stupid.

[thatweirdgamerguy]

well its probably because vavle didn't want a scout to have only 1 shot in the gun

[teen3564]

Spy sappin mah ammo

[cyborgtroy]

VALVE IS STEALING ALL OF MY BULLETS

[accelerANDos]

its like that in most games, mw2:rangers do the same thing (double barrel shotgun)

the only reason why its like that is because there's only 2 shots. Also there not going to make the game with actually animation of puting in 1 bullet, too much time

[sonikku70]

The Force-A-Nature pisses me off a bit. Like once, I shot a scout with 2 force-a-nature shots POINT BLANK. He doesn't die. He shoots me with 1 force-a-nature shot POINT BLANK and I die. How "realistic" is that?

[MaxRideWizardLord]

WoW! I just had read other comments for this video... Look's like people has about 10 years (not over it) or IQ 40 if they post those total pointless comments. This video show the fact about fan, and about other reloads of weapons. So I watch, think about what I watch, and make output + my own openion includes. No one made me post this comment, and I do this because it's - FREEDOM, like make video like this.

[MaxRideWizardLord]

They do this because valve too lazy to make alternative animation for one ammo reload. But still, they didn't show how they reload ammo with guns like SMG, they just do it behind a HUD, while when scout reloads fan you see, how 2 huge bullets drops away. :P

[UshiromiyaReiji]

OP, this is how it SHOULD be.All weapons should use the FaN's reload system.

Not like in real life you can fire two bullets from a, let's say, 30 bullets clip, reload and expect the other 28 bullets you just wasted by changing the clip before emptying it to magically reappear in your total ammo so you can use them.

[moonylunar]

@UshiromiyaReiji you do realize you can use a clip twice even if you fire 1 bullet and change the clip if you save it shotgun shells are the same but the scout doesn't catch the ejected shells

[UshiromiyaReiji]

@moonylunar

IF YOU SAVE IT.

No class in TF2 saves the clip when they reload.

[moonylunar]

@UshiromiyaReiji true unless you count the snipers smg seeing as he pulls it down and brings a different one up but really you can be healed by magic medic beams and thats realistic?

[UshiromiyaReiji]

@moonylunar

...

No.I never said that was realistic.

I ONLY said that the way Scout reloads FaN is realistic and therefore every weapon should reload the same way (i.e. if you haven't emptied the clip, you waste ammo by reloading before it's empty)

[scottscaler]

its just animation no need to argue about it

[Qldroarfan94]

Why don't you have a cry about people respawning and not dying and how scouts can double jump and sollies can rocket jump and pyros can air blast. Get over it its a game.

[MarikBentusi]

Erecting a facepalm.

[eliassexton]

Wow, you've been watching small stuff like this way to long. Just play the game and enjoy the experience rather than just focusing on something so small. Plus who just fires just one shot from the Force-a-Nature?

[qwerty222999]

@ForeverGamingTF2 Agreed. I also wanted the Sentry not able to be built under water, but TF2 are not realistic.

[tomatoto64]

@ForeverGamingTF2 don't you know there's a function in the option mode called "reloading after firing ;)

[Cybertoco]

@ForeverGamingTF2 Well, you lose one ammo if you only fire one ammo.

[blackzach9]

@ForeverGamingTF2 Dude it says on the website that this happens on purpose.

[angonbing]

congratulations captain obvious.... on a related note, i found just recently if you press the left mouse button you fire your weapon! Bet not too many people out there have discovered that one either! keep up the good work!

[Alex4815162342ify]

do i really care about this?at least the music`s fine...

[rjashton2]

lol, thanks for pointing out the obvious dude.

[theawsomedude777]

Can you hear The-Force-A-Nature sounds? I cant, and I need help D:

[rasarioninja155]

because you throw away two of the shots when you reload!

[FR33DOMx33]

also when the engineer reloads his gun u didn't take out the magazine he jus put in the clip

[Omegarawr1]

It's because as the animation shows, it dispenses 2 shells, even though one is usable.

[Soakedboy]

Well...the fan is a bitch and sucks dick, so that's why it steals your ammo.

[86108610]

FAN gay

[Zohaib1]

horrible vid

[ForeverGamingTF2]

hahaha, no one forced you to watch the video right? so why bitch about so much ;)

[marianoxlomas]

lol if only you could tell what's the video about before watching it...

[Kiroswan]

@ForeverGamingTF2 ppl cant know if a video blows until actually viewing it. that's common sense.