The firefighters and police sold out to Meg Whitman. She said "no change in your pensions for your support." They gave it. Jerry Brown refused to give the deal - this is what triggered the political whore remark. While nasty, it's true. Everyone knows that the pension system will have to change, but now all of the savings must come from teachers and nurses (state bureaucrats will slip through probably).
ALL OF YOU THAT DISAGREE DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON, THE BACKS OF HARD WORKING INDIVIDUALS, MANY DIED ON THE JOB BEFORE THERE WERE UNIONS. FAMILIES WHO LOST LOVED ONES HAD NO MEANS OF INCOME TO SUPPORT THERE FAMILIES, BUT ITS OK FOR COMPANIES TO REAP THE REWARDS.ALSO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DONT KNOW, ALL MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES DO NOT GET SOCIAL SECURITY. GO UNION EMPLOYEES !!! ENOUGH OF THESE COMPANIES SCREWING THE WORKERS AND TAX PAYERS, YOU CAN BLAME THE ROTTEN POLITICIANS
@READYROCKS Unions need to be destroyed. They served a purpose at one point and now they are doing nothing but destroying our country. (GM, or unfireable teachers anyone?). Boo hoo about their not receiving social security, they didnt have to pay a dime into it did they? If a family of 40k a year got to invest that 15% social security stole at 5% compounded annually they would get 8k a month @67 instead of 3k for the rest of their lives and still have a sizable chunk to leave to their family.
32 hours of overtime A WEEK is a distortion. OT is typically a function of staffing issues related to illness or injury. IF this were an actual situation, I'd be upset too. You're not presenting the factual reality of the vast majority of fire departments. Are you against public art, too? Do you expect a magical army of volunteers to landscape and maintain your parks? Fare well, and I hope you never have that bad day that requires you to call 9-1-1 (it might change your mind about this).
There have always been firefighters who felt entitled, just as there have always been citizens who resented paying their wages. These are two extremes used as devices to make a certain point. Small and/or rural departments often have great difficulty finding enough volunteers to fill a roster. Those volunteers are typically motivated to get experience commesurate to qualifying for hiring. The commitment, as a volunteer, is a fraction of the time invested by the professional firefighter.
How much is your health & safety worth? I would rather pay the men that are saving lives a higher salery, then give it to city managers that steal millions. You get what you pay for. Buy American and turn this ship around! Put America back to work with good paying jobs and everyone will profit.
The rhetoric sounds good, but it will not work when those jobs are all government jobs. The last time that was tried it did not work out so well. You do remember the Soviet Union.
@buffdiggy But then we wouldn't be paying 150k a year per firefighter with taxpayer money. You would actually get competition in the market where the best service for the best price gets the job.
Is your dad a retired firefighting fat cat or something? You either must be really stupid or really brainwashed by corruption.
@buffdiggy Sounds like you have no clue on what "market value" is or how economics works. The workers themselves, the policies, the employers, and many other factors dictate "market value". Many stifling taxpayer dollars go to the fat paychecks of these firefighters. I just mentioned earlier that you have MANY people who would VOLUNTEER to be firefighters FOR FREE.
That sounds like a lot of job creation for small businesses to me.
@buffdiggy Did you know that there are tens of thousands of individuals who are willing to VOLUNTEER to be firefighters? That is not acceptable because the unions shuts it down. So please do realize that your brainwashed parrot talk is all bullshit. If we privatize firefighters and they are paid accordingly to the market value, how would their service be any worse? It would only get better!
People are like you are totally clueless. Your parents and teachers did a horrible job. You're stupid!
@buffdiggy At some point the public unions will run out of other peoples money to spend. Sorry bud. I'm glad they all have jobs but the gig is up. Out with all public unions. Period.
@buzz60016 I feel that peoples retirement should come from the companys that they devote thier lives to. As for me, the Union Isthe way because any Union Co. I work for has to pay into it.Everyone should be entitled to that if they work.
FIrst off, you need to elaborate more on your comment. We are talking about public unions here, big difference between private unions. Second you were also entitled to a public education. Pull out the math text books and tell me how we are supposed to pay for all these obligations. I'll save you the time. We can't without horrible inflation. If you want horrible inflation, then get out the history books and tell me how that has worked out over for other sovereigns.
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The day of reconning for the Unions is coming soon,
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mohamedtowelhead 1 year ago
Wow I really don't know ANY firefighters around here how make money like that.
MedicPatriot 1 year ago
The firefighters and police sold out to Meg Whitman. She said "no change in your pensions for your support." They gave it. Jerry Brown refused to give the deal - this is what triggered the political whore remark. While nasty, it's true. Everyone knows that the pension system will have to change, but now all of the savings must come from teachers and nurses (state bureaucrats will slip through probably).
dashendorf 1 year ago
ALL OF YOU THAT DISAGREE DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON, THE BACKS OF HARD WORKING INDIVIDUALS, MANY DIED ON THE JOB BEFORE THERE WERE UNIONS. FAMILIES WHO LOST LOVED ONES HAD NO MEANS OF INCOME TO SUPPORT THERE FAMILIES, BUT ITS OK FOR COMPANIES TO REAP THE REWARDS.ALSO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DONT KNOW, ALL MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES DO NOT GET SOCIAL SECURITY. GO UNION EMPLOYEES !!! ENOUGH OF THESE COMPANIES SCREWING THE WORKERS AND TAX PAYERS, YOU CAN BLAME THE ROTTEN POLITICIANS
READYROCKS 1 year ago
@READYROCKS Unions need to be destroyed. They served a purpose at one point and now they are doing nothing but destroying our country. (GM, or unfireable teachers anyone?). Boo hoo about their not receiving social security, they didnt have to pay a dime into it did they? If a family of 40k a year got to invest that 15% social security stole at 5% compounded annually they would get 8k a month @67 instead of 3k for the rest of their lives and still have a sizable chunk to leave to their family.
peoplsrepublcOcali 1 year ago
32 hours of overtime A WEEK is a distortion. OT is typically a function of staffing issues related to illness or injury. IF this were an actual situation, I'd be upset too. You're not presenting the factual reality of the vast majority of fire departments. Are you against public art, too? Do you expect a magical army of volunteers to landscape and maintain your parks? Fare well, and I hope you never have that bad day that requires you to call 9-1-1 (it might change your mind about this).
Schlemmerwood 1 year ago
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Schlemmerwood 1 year ago
There have always been firefighters who felt entitled, just as there have always been citizens who resented paying their wages. These are two extremes used as devices to make a certain point. Small and/or rural departments often have great difficulty finding enough volunteers to fill a roster. Those volunteers are typically motivated to get experience commesurate to qualifying for hiring. The commitment, as a volunteer, is a fraction of the time invested by the professional firefighter.
Schlemmerwood 1 year ago
Can I have a thumbs up from anyone who would agree that any company IS A UNION.
buffdiggy 1 year ago
How much is your health & safety worth? I would rather pay the men that are saving lives a higher salery, then give it to city managers that steal millions. You get what you pay for. Buy American and turn this ship around! Put America back to work with good paying jobs and everyone will profit.
buffdiggy 1 year ago
@buffdiggy
The rhetoric sounds good, but it will not work when those jobs are all government jobs. The last time that was tried it did not work out so well. You do remember the Soviet Union.
stopthemaddnessnow 1 year ago
@stopthemaddnessnow No I don't. What happend?
buffdiggy 1 year ago
@stopthemaddnessnow Labor Unions were outlawed in Soviet Russia dipshit.
Next time read a history book before posting stupid comments and stupid videos.
MsZeitgeist85 1 year ago
@buffdiggy LOL at "buy American and turn this ship around". Anyone remember Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act? Of course you don't; you're an idiot.
grapplerke 1 year ago
@grapplerke Even if you privatize the fire dept. the Goverment will still get there cut.
buffdiggy 1 year ago
@buffdiggy But then we wouldn't be paying 150k a year per firefighter with taxpayer money. You would actually get competition in the market where the best service for the best price gets the job.
Is your dad a retired firefighting fat cat or something? You either must be really stupid or really brainwashed by corruption.
grapplerke 1 year ago
@grapplerke Who will decide the market value of firefighters, the private companys that hire volunteers? Sounds like many more unemployed to me.
buffdiggy 1 year ago
@buffdiggy Sounds like you have no clue on what "market value" is or how economics works. The workers themselves, the policies, the employers, and many other factors dictate "market value". Many stifling taxpayer dollars go to the fat paychecks of these firefighters. I just mentioned earlier that you have MANY people who would VOLUNTEER to be firefighters FOR FREE.
That sounds like a lot of job creation for small businesses to me.
grapplerke 1 year ago
@buffdiggy Did you know that there are tens of thousands of individuals who are willing to VOLUNTEER to be firefighters? That is not acceptable because the unions shuts it down. So please do realize that your brainwashed parrot talk is all bullshit. If we privatize firefighters and they are paid accordingly to the market value, how would their service be any worse? It would only get better!
People are like you are totally clueless. Your parents and teachers did a horrible job. You're stupid!
grapplerke 1 year ago
@grapplerke Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.
buffdiggy 1 year ago
@buffdiggy At some point the public unions will run out of other peoples money to spend. Sorry bud. I'm glad they all have jobs but the gig is up. Out with all public unions. Period.
toylex11 1 year ago
When municipalities go bankrupt, and cannot pay for retirement obligations.
Who will pay?
How much higher can real estate taxes go?
This is true for all police, teachers, firemen, and government workers.
It is a huge problem.
This will effect millions of people, both working and retired.
buzz60016 1 year ago
@buzz60016 I feel that peoples retirement should come from the companys that they devote thier lives to. As for me, the Union Isthe way because any Union Co. I work for has to pay into it.Everyone should be entitled to that if they work.
buffdiggy 1 year ago
@buffdiggy
FIrst off, you need to elaborate more on your comment. We are talking about public unions here, big difference between private unions. Second you were also entitled to a public education. Pull out the math text books and tell me how we are supposed to pay for all these obligations. I'll save you the time. We can't without horrible inflation. If you want horrible inflation, then get out the history books and tell me how that has worked out over for other sovereigns.
stopthemaddnessnow 1 year ago
This is great. The ones with cussing, not so much.
ToddYarling 1 year ago 4
@ToddYarling
Thanks, the profanity laced one is meant to get the attention of the younger generation, who is all to unaware of what is going on in this country.
stopthemaddnessnow 1 year ago
@stopthemaddnessnow They sure do.
buffdiggy 1 year ago
@buffdiggy .
buffdiggy 1 year ago
@stopthemaddnessnow That is a real intelligent way to reach a child. But I think not.
Remember I'm the un educated one here.
buffdiggy 1 year ago
@stopthemaddnessnow
your a douche bag I hope that you dont ever need the fire department or police but lucky for you they have to help the scum of the world like you
dolfanandlakerfan 8 months ago
@ToddYarling Glad someone agrees with me. Thanks.
buffdiggy 1 year ago