Science will conquer religion. Religion causes nothing but hate, suffering and division. As for spirituality, personal spirituality, I see nothing wrong with it as long as people keep it to themselves.
@PartyAllSeason ""Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein"
First of all Einstein was not infallible and second, any man's personal belief in any kind of deity unsupported by evidence means nothing, even if he was an incredibly intelligent man.
@agog86 that is like saying that "race is a state of body and it has not done anything but created violence and fear"...in the name of religion, non believers have killed more than believers have, communists, marxists killed millions who believed in god, were they any different from those who did 9/11?
"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein
Every time I hear someone say this it annoys me - it is to fundamentally misunderstand the mechanistic approach. There is nothing science cannot explain, only what it has yet to explain.
science were very very popular in islam and im pretty sure the first school for science was islamic, anyways science can be incorporated in science (in islam anyways)
this movie is a peace of propaganda that attempts to separate the illuminati from the chatholic church when in fact the jesuits and the nights of malta have always been at the top of the pyramid controlling globalist think tanks
@GmRebelliousV Yes even if Science is still to be considered young this strikes me as similar to a child telling a teenager that he's too young to understand the profundity of the existence of monsters in the closet.
"Check out my YouTube channel/playlists and websites for present-truth materials, Three Angels' Messages and God's last-mercy warning to His people in these last days.
Papacy = Antichrist / Little Horn / Beast from the Sea
Roman Catholicism = Whore of Babylon
Investigative Judgement has commenced in 1844 (1st Angel’s Message)
Ellen G. White, 1827-1915 = End-time Prophet Sent of God
7th-day Sabbath = Seal of God
Sunday Worship to be Enforced as Mark of the Beast"
The film was really good. The book was better, very good entertainment... Science and Religon will always be a logger heads. Instead of fighting nature, work with it. What I mean is, instead of trying to outwit one another, work together for a conclusion. People will believe in God even if Science finds the anserws. I don't believe in God, but faith is needed, Faith in people, Faith in God or Faith in yourself. You are fighting a loosing battle when it comes to Science versus Religon.
People....science is fine and i am not agianst science at all. But religion and spiritualty is so beautiful and why? It teaches you who you are on the inside, what your life's purpose is and what your mission is on this earth everyday you live. it teaches you to care for each other and thank the greater power out there beyond yourself that created you. It can heal, love, and uplift human potentiality and purpose. Religion is philosophy and realizing one's true self. That's all.
@SudanCarib You don't need religion to learn about yourself, or to find purpose, or to love. And it often holds back human potential. Specific religions have not only held back humanity, but persecuted those who would seek their potential. And still do when they get the chance--see Texas School Board for a recent example. Or the Dover trial. Or any facist, bigoted laws that are constantly being pushed forward by the Christian right. Just sayin' . . .
@Swidhelm Religion wants nothing more than to be voices of compassion, meaning and purpose in a world spinning out of control. The world is already messed up as it is. I know sometimes people misuse religion as control and oppression but that is not what it's for. There were many famous scientist who believed in god like Issac Newton, Galileo etc. They didn't let science get in the way of their belief. They seen religion as another language of understanding the universe and existence.
@SudanCarib Religions doesn't want anything, it isn't a sentient being. And what each religion wants is different. The three Abrahamic religions generally want to dominate the world. Well, more so Christianity and Islam. And those religions also promote ignorance, frown on learning (the doctrines themselves) and have been a major stumbling block to progress for a very long time.
@Swidhelm Every religion is trying to understand the world in different ways and languages. Religion is a philosophy of life that people could live by. Jesus taught that we should love everybody. Buddha taught that we can deal with suffering in 4 ways. Krisha taught that we should first find ourselves first before we can expand ourselves. Muhammad taught that we should be more rational and practical. Look at the people who made the religion and learn from them.
@SudanCarib Some religions aren't particularly bothersome, like Buddhism. Some are a great stain on human history, most notably the Abrahamic ones--Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Christ may have been progressive for his time, but he still applied the laws of the OT which are barbaric at best, and promote ignorance. Love thy neighbor fine, provided he's a fellow worshiper of Yahweh. The bible is quite explicit one what to do to those that do not believe. And it is not loving.
@Swidhelm lol let's just say eastern religions are more safer and not bothersome than western religions. Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism and other spirituals are fine. They do not slain anybody. The western world doesn't know what Jesus and Muhammad taught and they are using rules of their own to control the world. like Osama bin laden and the Taliban. Jesus and Muhammad were just normal human beings who created a philosophy. Man created the bible to control people.
@SudanCarib Jesus was basically a hippie of his day, preaching against the doctrine of the established Jewish temple. Which earned him the ire of the priests. Mohammad was a war lord, and his teachings he used to control those around him from the get go. The fact that people followed him because of his "vision in a cave while alone" speaks volumes about the gullibility of the people in the region at the time. Because at that time Mohammad had no power.
@Swidhelm They were both normal humans sure. History showed that they was good philosophers and good teachers. Nothing divinity about them. They did teach about the spiritual reality to life. They both believe that there was life after death, and a higher power like God and Satan to interpret the world of good and evil.
@SudanCarib Mohammad was no philosopher, though Jesus may have been in a manner. Just because they believed in a god, or a devil or both, doesn't make what they believed valid or real. We live on a small planet in a nondescript solar system, amidst a vast galaxy with billions of stars, in a sea of billions upon billions of galaxies, each with billions of stars. I can't say there is not god, but I have seen no evidence for one, and certainly none worth worship. The Abrahamic gods are psychos.
@Swidhelm To me It's all about seeking a higher power or intelligence that is beyond just material universes and galaxies. God or gods, angels and demons, spiritual figures, mystics, priest, monks metaphysics etc etc are all part of that. Throughout the ages mystics have seen more than just the physical world....glimpses of other realities(afterlife, experiences). Just because atheist don't believe it doesn't make it untrue. We can't convince anybody. In the end its all about what they believe.
@SudanCarib Sure you can be spiritual without religion. As long as people have creativity, meaning and purpose and compassion then we would be okay.
I'm not assuming but when a materialist sees the universe he says: We are just a part of nature. We are not special at all. This is all just an accident. We are living on a small planet.
When a spiritualist sees the universe he says: This cant be no accident. There is a meaning for my existence. I'm meant to be here. There is something beyond.
@SudanCarib A spiritualist says no such thing. To have a spiritual experience is essentially an emotional high derived form something they are awed by or have a passion for. For me it's art, music, literature, nature, including the cosmos. I look at space and our little world and think "Man this is incredible. The odds were stacked against us, yet here we are, self aware and contemplating existence. We search our past, and look to the future." To be in awe of existence does not require god.
@Swidhelm We see our existence and self awareness in different ways. People who are polytheistic, monotheistic, spiritualistic and metaphysical see nature as a huge intelligence and look towards a higher power or other realities that is beyond space and time . People who are materialist, fundamentalist, reductionist see the world with a naturalistic perspective and can only see and believe what is in front of them. It's like Rene Descartes view and Spinoza's view.
@SudanCarib Max plank and Sir Arthur Eddington have evidence for something like that through quantum physics. Eddington was a scientist but also a mystic. Max Planck was a christian but the father of quantum theory. They both said that consciousness is behind all the reality we experience and see. So there has to be something beyond the so called physical world. Afterlife could be possible.
@SudanCarib And that's why science moves forward, and our understanding grows, while religion stagnates. And that's why things like the Dover trial occur. And why many theists fear science. The gaps of understanding that religion occupies are getting fewer and smaller.
@Swidhelm Like the video or the story said, Science and Religion are not enemies. They are telling the same story but in different languages. Science understands it the objective way and religion understands it the subjective way. Science can reveal alot of things. Famous scientist who were theist like Issac newton or Galileo don't fear science but they see it as a way of understanding god's work. who knows if we finish E=mc2 who knows what could it reveal....
@SudanCarib Why? Look around you, do you matter?, do life on earth and the whole universe matter? Is there something special within life and existence itself? could there be something beyond this that we can imagine? is our birth a gift from our intelligence? is our body structure, animals and plants and other sources of life are a product of an intelligence?
@SudanCarib If our bodies are a gift from intelligence they need a major recall and revamp before putting out such a faulty product again. Our bodies, designed as they are, are not particularity efficient. Bad knees, bad lower back, the problems women face during child birth because of such small hips, etc. Interconnecting our trachea and esophagus which often leads to choking when eating, and other problems. Using our bathroom bits for reproduction, etc. Heh. I could go on.
@SudanCarib Science and religion aren't enemies per say, but around the world religion is constantly battling science. Most notable from a western stand point are the conflicts in the "bible belt" of America. They want creation "science" taught in classrooms, and evolution out if they could have their way. Most theists have very little understanding of what science even is, and how it works. Like when creationists claim that evolution is just a theory.
@Swidhelm Sure they do fight alot but it's not going to lead us nowhere. The western world is always like that. They think Christianity is the most important religion that it blocks every religion out. There is many religions out there. We can keep science in schools but religion is supposed to be a home thing. College religious studies for classes are OK but not to force kids to believe.
@SudanCarib I very much agree with you there. Religion should be taught in a religious environment. In college classes it is different. Normally, unless attending a religious college, it is taught in a more academic way, rather than a "believe this, this is our god" way. If you get my meaning. My only real issue with religion is when it gets in the way of progress. Like say gay marriage. But that's why religions should be kept out of state, and vice versa. Someone wants to believe in god, ~cont
@Swidhelm power to them. But don't try and force your religious edicts on me and mine. Anyways dude, it's been interesting. Hope I didn't piss you off or anything, not my intent. Cheers, and have a good day.
@Swidhelm It was nice talking to you too. Hey buddy, In the end with all this back and forth discussing, It's all about or the only thing that matters is what you believe and what I believe. In the deeper reality we don't really know...WE don't know everything and there is alot of things that we don't understand so we just have to do best with the knowledge we have. That's it.
@SudanCarib Why believe something that has no tangible evidence for its existence? Science has found no evidence suggesting an afterlife of any kind. We know what the brain does as the body shuts down when it's dying, the tunnel vision and such before blacking out, the synapses firing off chaotically sometimes. There might be an afterlife, but unless evidence is presented beyond anecdotes, there's nothing to go on. Do you believe in Odin?
@SudanCarib The bible (new testament), though initially not compiled to control people, but to offer people a "cannon" of who and what Jesus was. Lots was left out at Nicea. Some of the texts left out spoke of Jesus in a not so divine nature, but a mortal man who encouraged people. But the leaders wanted something that the persecuted people at the time could find some hope in, and that was the idea of the next life, or reward for their suffering after death.
@SudanCarib But as the western religions are centered around fear, it makes it very very easy to control a population if they believe in that fear. Has been done since the dawn of religion, especially ones that are fear centered. And we are seeing it right now with the republican party in the states. They couple the religious fear with words like communism, and socialism, and marxism to further their corporate capitalist agenda. Keep people stupid and afraid, and you can control them.
@Swidhelm I agree Fear is stronger than Love. The government is using fear to control the minds out there in politics and the media. Illuminati, Freemasons, communist, republicans, democrats all use fear to control. It's a sad thing. This is why people need spirituality....to follow and live in love rather than fear. What i see in this world right now is...Fear.
@SudanCarib spirituality is not synonymous with religion though. You can be spiritual without religion. Why be a slave to something that promotes fear, and ignorance? Those are shackles. Better to open your mind, question everything, learn, etc. And being a social species, love comes pretty easy, no need for religion their either. Just do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Pretty easy rule to live by.
An unfettered search for truth is necessary for all intelligent humans. The ultimate fruit of this sincere effort concludes that truth of true science and truth found in true (unadulterated) religion is not in conflict. The old religious control freaks is what gave the true religious impulse a bad name. Religion is like a tree. It lives, gives spiritual fruit and teachings, withers and dies. A new Tree appears, yielding fresh teachings which fit the times. The Baha'i Faith is such
@nicolebaresi True...But Faith teaches ethics and morality....Marxist Communism and Fascism teaches the oppression of thought. ..not to mention freedoms...one being the freedom of religion. Faith makes the world better...warts and all..if you want to see what the world would be like without religion go to North Korea or look at the old USSR. This movie was interesting...but total BS.
@MarkFFHH Faith makes the world better? I've nothing wrong with faith, but religion doesn't make the world better now, infact its more like the reverse, religion is having a largely negative effect on the world right now.
Not just politically, but in terms of human progression.
America is turning into what happened to Islam after the 11th (and going into the 12th) century.
@MarkFFHH Want to see a world dominated by religion? Visit the dark ages. You can have a world without religion, and not have dictators as well. They don't go hand in hand. Some dictators, depending on their method, find their people rally around religion and fight against them, so they stomp it out. Smart dictators use the religion and control through the already ingrained fear present in said religion. Look at countries like Sweden and Denmark.
firstly i suggest you find out what hypocrisy means
GOD's word the bible was indeed written by man who was inspired by GOD
out of all the books written by man it is the only one where divine inspiration is evident because if it had been written by man alone it would not show mistakes and weakenesses as man's nature is to never admit error
i have seen and experienced enough in my life to believe in superior design and divine intervention
@stephen22564 Lets see, what does Hypocrisy mean; hmm, maybe it's denying something because as you put it "unproven" but then believing in something that is...unproven.
Yep, that sounds a bit like hypocrisy to me.
Also "divine inspiration" heh, that must be why the bible has been changed so many times and why it contradicts itself so much.
I guess God was just having an off day then.
At the very least if a God does exist he's at the very least incompetetant with how fucked up the world is.
@stephen22564 Yes, Evolution has no evidence to back it up, apart from the 20-25 evolutionary links that have been found.
Yes, MAN changed the bible because MAN wrote it. Pretty simple eh?
And I have read the bible, it's my misfortune in being raised in a country that makes you learn that crap in school.
There is the schizophrenic aspect of God from the Old Testament to the New Testament with how different they are. I guess the writers decided it was easier to get people to like a "good" God.
@nicolebaresi would you care to share some of those links ?
strange how they are not common knowledge
from your statement about GOD you obviously haven't learnt anything from HIS word but then you don't learn anything from it without GOD'S help through prayer beforehand
i like the way you conveniently ignore my statement about man's effect on the planet
bit too near the truth for you ?
GOD has remained constant throughout history but man in his ignorance and arrogance has declined
@stephen22564 Not common knowledge? I really hope thats a joke, because these things have been common knowledge for about 50+ years. There are many many (last time I heard it was around 20) "links" in our evolutionary chain that have been discovered, and I can't link anything since you can't post links on youube anymore, so just google "the link between ape and man", then the rest is up to you, you can decide to remain in ignorance or not, it matters not to me either way.
@nicolebaresi ah yes the old man- ape theory . i thought that had been discredited years ago after the piltdown man fraud . it just goes to show that if people are told lies for long enough they will start to believe it . then again as the lord of lies rules this world it is quite understandable really
of course he has done a good job of persuading people of his non existance
well my friend you are welcome to parrot the ideas of others but i would rather place my trust in GOD
@nicolebaresi your statement shows how brainwashed YOU are when you are not prepared to accept anything other than what you have read . you know nothing of GOD's word but are ready to blame HIM for the ills of the world . you know nothing about me and from what you have said so far have nothing to teach me you live in a world based on lies and are a slave to it whereas i am free probably not aware that you are living in the 1st month of the year NOT the 4th ...go research
@stephen22564 I very much have a channel, its just not publically available since I actually value my privacy, and it sonly filled with videos I actually like/wanna watch over anyway, usually music so I fail to see how that would interest you.
@stephen22564 Also what about Man's effect on the Earth? I'm very well aware that Man is destroying the Earth, what has that got to do with anything? Unfortunately there is only so many characters you can use in a comment, so I can't answer everything.
You have a point here? What has Man's effect on the Earth got anything to do AT ALL with what we're discussing? Nothing.
@BlackTiger112 Scientific research is led by those who fund the research, i.e. corporations and government. This means they control various aspects of the method, which includes, what we want to observe, who observes it, interpretation of the data etc. A recent example would be the fake data the IPCC has been using to indicate a non existent trend in the sea level.
If you are truth seeking type in truthcontest on google click on the first link.Truth Contest Universal Truth of Life. this is a really good read keep and open mind, you will love it:D
@BrocK2026 The only help we got for religion is... to kill each other for stupid beliefs but you know we were damned by the consciousness and we had to create something to explain everything, but that went too far.
so in few words, religion is the basis of violence. (Sometimes could work but most of the time dont, the cool thing is you can control the masses if you know how to use it well.)
@Dodo251 ajde ne seri mi. Šta se mozga tiče zanima me kakav je tvoj kad ti mišljenje temelji na pripovjedkama starim 2000 godina. Zarini si štap u svoje zategnuto guzicu. I pravi mi govori o toleranciji. Sječaš se križarskih ratova i svih ostalih? Čak i Hitler je mislio, da su arijci ob boga dana rasa. Serete o etici i moralu a od početka religije jih najviše kršite.idi pušit kurčinu u najbližju crkvu, mislim da neče imati ništa protiv i da jim je to normalno ili možda i nije ako si prestar
@doubleGi Ti si sramota ljudske rase, prvo pogledaj svoje manire ti izrode, a onda meni nešto reci. Da, ja vjerujem u Boga i baš zato se ne ponašam kao ti i ljudima drugog svjetonazora ne psujem kao zadnje smeće ovog planeta. Ti si neodgojeno govno i toplo ti preporučam da posjetiš najbližeg psihijatra jer si očito u mladosti bio napastovan od strane roditelja. Tvrdiš da imaš 28 godina, a ponašaš se kao prištava pubertetlija od najviše 18. Nisi dostojan zvati se čovjekom.
@Dodo251 "...zato se ne ponašam kao ti i ljudima drugog svjetonazora ne psujem...Ti si neodgojeno govno..."
ili imaš IQ 50 ili memoriju ko zlatna ribica. Izgleda da se ne sječaš šta napišeš prije nekoliko sekundi. I da se ne ponašaš isto? kakav komentar si pustio na moj prvi komentar? kakav na drugi? Ponašaš se isto ako si želiš priznati ili ne. Ali šta je još gore; meni zabranjuju takvo ponašanje samo društvene etičke norme i zakon a tebi i crkva ;) Ali... izgleda da se ti jebe i za vjeru
@Dodo251 i znaš šta se mi svidža... u toj bibliji imate toliko tog sranja o moralu i svi se imate za velike vjernike i dobre kristjane... ali prvi put kad vam netko baci kamen, pustite sve u pizdu materinu i se borite protiv vatre sa vatrom i spremni ste iči protiv svega šta vam piše u bibliji i šta vam je rekao kristus. Dvoličnost? Jeste... tipična kristjanska. Mislite da ste bolji jer idete u tu crkvu, ali izgleda da tikvani ništa ne naučite tamo.
@Dodo251 ajde idi pričaj bajke djeci i laži si dalje, onda pali tv i isto kao tu, okrivi i muslimane za sve zlo.
haha, koje dvolično sebično uzvišno smeče ste vjernici nevjerojatno.
Neznam baš kako če se Bogu svidjati kršenje zapovjedi koje vam je kristus dao! Ko zna... možda zbog tog odnosa na youtube: odgovori vatrom na vatru, i završiš i paklu! E to bi bila ironija hahaha!
@doubleGi im not here for fights. Im 58 and i have always beleived there is a god. You should too god will look after you & please dont use the word "cunt" son. Whatever it means it sounds horrendous. - Be calm, peaceful & look at an icon. peace be with you
You are correct. Consider this, to date EVERY mystery that we have solved regarding the nature of things, the answer has NEVER been God did it. Why do you think that those mysteries that we have yet to solve would be any different?
"Why are humans on the earth?"
Why isn't the right question, that presupposes a purpose. A better question and one which we are trying to solve is how.
@hawklord2001 Absolutely agree with that last statement on why we are here. So many people just assume that there has to be a reason that we are here and can't seem to comprehend the fact that not everything happens for a reason (a reason like they mean, I know that life here is the result of something).
@hawklord2001 The "why" is an excellent question, even if it presupposes a purpose. Presuppositions aren't bad, science is even based on presuppositions. Even the concept of Knowledge is based on presuppositions.
The only people trying to understand the Universe are scientists. Religion is teaching now what its taught thousands of years ago. Science is Progress, Religion is Ignorance.
Godlessness , the major factor in the downfall of empires ( Greece , Rome , Soviet Union) . And Jews ( Israel) , Muslims ( Mecca) and Christians ( Vatican City , Orthodox church ) are still here....
If science is credited for " creation" , what is left for god?
- "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16)
@Jeeepez Science is based on the Physical reality. It wasn't meant to explain anything outside of that. If you limit yourself to science, you limit yourself to this reality. Obviously there is more to existence than the Physical realm. Even science supports this. Not everything that is detected can be detected with physical mediums.
@influenztial Read it again. "Even science supports this." - That was the statement. And it does. Such as Dark Matter. If you had told mankind about this invisible force that makes up 85% of existence, 50years ago you would have been labeled as a quack. But today its somewhat proven by science. Although science can't fully explain it. My point is that there is much more to existence that what we are able to see through science. Science may only shows us the possibilities.
@oneworldkingdom That doesn't justify what you said in your previous comment. I would also encourage you to look into Dark Matter as it is the most widely disputed "theory" in science at the moment. Dark Matter is more of a term to throw in to the models to make the model work because we don't understand everything. So it is FAR from proven.
@influenztial Maybe you should recheck your sources. My sources says that Dark matter exist. Your source sounds old and dated. My point is not about dark When you rely on science, you are denying yourself knowledge. Science is only one part of a much larger picture.
@oneworldkingdom-- Obviously there is more to existence than the Physical realm Evidence ??? Science has unanswered questions, indeed. If you understand what science is all about, science will most probably never answer all the questions.
@tallliza Science is limited to the physical . It is not equipped for the spiritual. No tool can measure what cannot be seen or detected with the senses. Spiritual can only be detected with the mind. Humans have a sixth sense. But it exist with the mind.
@oneworldkingdom-- It wasn't meant to explain anything outside of that.-- Of course not, there is no evidence for anything outside of the physical realm . Give me an exemple of something physical that not detected with physical mediums.
@Jeeepez "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16)
Although there is some evidence(in Jewish history) about a man Joshua , condemned to death for rebellion, there is zero evidence for the salvation story.
church never persecuted scientists because they were scientists or because they had progressive ideas, this is a lie perpetrated by thinkers of enlightenment.
church persecuted heretics that spoke against theological truths.
after listening to a religiously neutral philosopher about Galileo for 2 semesters i came to these conclusions
short story
personal conflict between Galileo and the pope. It had nothing to do with science, or politics ,they were good friends before their fight , nobody actually knows what the fight was about but they insulted each other, galileo had a touch of arrogance, pope was the pope... If it was against the science Copernicus would be the one punished, not Galileo.
@niinja2 if you replace theological truths with the church i totally agree. How do you know that what the pope/church say is "truth" without facts to support their claims. I'm not saying religion is a lie. I believe that the word of jesus christ is the one truth and that he is the only son of god therefor the only truth. This movie portrays the illuminati as scientist trying to find the truth about life through science when it is much more than that. they have even infiltrated the church
It was the filthy Catholics who sacked Constantinople, at the time the richest city in the world...took all their treasures, slaughtered all the population, particularly the "innocent" French who eagerly were joyous doing it and returned it to the Vatican where to this it lays...all the glorious treasure that was stolen from every part of the globe. The Byzantine Empire later became Orthodox after the Schism not Catholic....why? Because it kept the original Church! That is why it was sacked!
How can any Catholic believe their Church is the original Church, yet their practices are far from that! Was it not in Jerusalem that Christ was born not Rome? Was it not Constantine I who made the Byzantine Empire? How can one claim that the Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire, yet it was not pagan, but Christian...it was the Venetians and the Western Catholics who sacked Constantinople...so why sack your own city? Because it's not.
The Catholic Church is a sin itself. What to me is funny is that the people who pushed EU to other countries are Catholic countries....the same countries who initiated NATO are Catholic countries. Germany, France, England and Italy are one of the most evil countries in the world because for the last 956 years (after they split from the Orthodox Church) have been doing nothing but imposing terror in Europe.
a persuit of logical process of elimination studies that provide us with all the healthcare and technology that got us out of loin cloths and drinking muddy disease ridden suage runoff out of the river
the begining of politics, controling the masses, keeping everyone in a a balance of good morals while providing guidelines to do so, weather it be true or not what is more logical than putting faith in something possitive you can only hope for to be true, but if simply believing something
@mourningmayanlovr420 "what is more logical than putting faith in something possitive"
The real question is, are the effect of religion in a modern era, where we're more capable of deterring crime via higher successful accurate conviction rates.
In an era where finding the real criminal may have been more difficult, instilling concern of an all seeing surveillance camera was great.
A question is, are the effects of that indoctrination, good as a whole, while excluding irrelevant features.
so positive is true, and causes you to help your fellow neighbor and live an honest life, is that not what we need as a society in times of prosporus hoarding and greed? yes the catholics killed hundreds of thousands of people durring the times of copurnicus and galeleio for defying the churches word for word bible and their currpt as can be occasionaly but thats the flaw of man ,. is that truely the subject of debate here?
the flaws of men in no way effect the bottom line of religion being a good moral code to live by and science being a persuit of better and less primitive less nieve less biast less lazy, less IGNORANT form of culture and time period to live in ,.. catch up and get an education, stop drinking the coolaid and study practically provable theories that are right in front of your face, not to mention the churches
tyranical rain over th public for the last sevral millenia (religion is the basis of almost all wars and cultural differences to this day, and theyre all saying the SAME THING ((with the exception of the quaran)) persue the study of bettering the human beings life expectancy technology and understanding of the physical elements and undersrand that no matter how deep we get down the rabbit whole of physics and the deepest most complex forms of
science were not going to find a unified feild theory of "everything" were only going to discover at best what we can visualy see on the visual spectrum of our universe,... you have nothing to loose by being religous or spiritual:putting trust in something you cant understand with the faith that its realy there and 2 science isnt the anti christ its
not a bunch of devil worshiping hocus pocus witchcraft athieistic bull shit its the pursuit of growing more intelligent and aware with each generation were fortunate to be on the verge of the next intelligance revolution be a part of it and get your nose out of a book thatsd been re worte 1000 times in the last 3000 years thank for reading this whole thing i feel better
i can only wonder how this world would be nowadays if faith had never existed. 4 out of 5 wars would not have happened, we would be 500+ years further technological developed, there would be no poorness, no corruption. And every disease you can imagine could be cured by the press of a button. the average lifetime would probably be 100+ years. imagine that.
Look at what science has done for the world. Everything you have, your home, your
possessions, your computer, and even your life you owe to science. If you want to know what religion has done, look up the dark ages. Science has helped and will help the world far more than religion ever will.
@zaser555 I think that having fewer false beliefs is more important than having more true beliefs. For instance I would rather accept that I don't have enough evidence to support a belief of the orign of the universe, than hold a totally unsupported belief on faith that could interfere with eventually finding evidence. Any intellectual will tell you that the null hypothesis is best. Faith as belief despite or without evidence is not only unnecessary, but often harmful to us to in my opinion.
Science and religion have their negatives and positives. Science isn't perfect. Even religion. And if i recall there were people in BCE that were religious and scientists. Science fucked up our world too. With medicine and shots that have weird substances in them. I can go on but i have limited characters here. And religion has been going on and problematic for way more years than science. What im trying to say both subjects have their pros and cons. Neither one is perfect.
@FinsterIsAnIdiot You act like no one that believes in God works in science..I work in R & D and I am a Roman Catholic..this movie was an insult to the Church..they act like they are living in the dark ages..I might remind you that it was the Vaticans Academy of Sciences under Pope Gregory VI in the 1580's that established the modern Calendar (Gregorian Calendar) that you use today and figured the length of a year to a fraction of a second. This movie is even an insult to science.
Science will conquer religion. Religion causes nothing but hate, suffering and division. As for spirituality, personal spirituality, I see nothing wrong with it as long as people keep it to themselves.
JorEl7771 6 days ago
"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein
PartyAllSeason 1 week ago
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@PartyAllSeason ""Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein"
First of all Einstein was not infallible and second, any man's personal belief in any kind of deity unsupported by evidence means nothing, even if he was an incredibly intelligent man.
hawklord2001 1 week ago
religion is a state of mind and it done nothing but create violence and fear.
agog86 1 week ago
@agog86 that is like saying that "race is a state of body and it has not done anything but created violence and fear"...in the name of religion, non believers have killed more than believers have, communists, marxists killed millions who believed in god, were they any different from those who did 9/11?
"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein
PartyAllSeason 1 week ago
"Science can't explain everything".
Every time I hear someone say this it annoys me - it is to fundamentally misunderstand the mechanistic approach. There is nothing science cannot explain, only what it has yet to explain.
ajnode 3 weeks ago
science were very very popular in islam and im pretty sure the first school for science was islamic, anyways science can be incorporated in science (in islam anyways)
RonaldoSoccerPwnz 3 weeks ago
There are infinite truths. Particles and waves have nothing to do with my perception.
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sarapeak 2 months ago
science and religion cannot be linked. no ifs or buts there guys
MrBrisbaneman1994 3 months ago
this movie is a peace of propaganda that attempts to separate the illuminati from the chatholic church when in fact the jesuits and the nights of malta have always been at the top of the pyramid controlling globalist think tanks
waltermatthewberg 4 months ago
Movie tries to show religion in good light. In other words, pure bullcrap, trying to unite science with religion. Pure bullcrap.
rycka1983 4 months ago 5
"There are simply some things science is too young to understand" this is one of the STUPIDEST lines EVER.
GmRebelliousV 6 months ago 7
@GmRebelliousV Yes even if Science is still to be considered young this strikes me as similar to a child telling a teenager that he's too young to understand the profundity of the existence of monsters in the closet.
Nemesis000000 6 months ago
@GmRebelliousV lol true, or just think about it like this. "There as some things religion is too old to understand".....
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youneekk 6 months ago
fuck religion SCIENCE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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rock3tcat 6 months ago
"Science will win...because it works!" -- Steven Hawking
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Science makes you fly to the moon.
Religion makes you fly into a building.
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SeventhDayRemnant 7 months ago
Religion is the greatest evil ever invented, and science is its' destroyer. Hail science.
Ryakki 7 months ago
I have read angels and demons and ill have to say this. Science and Religion are both idiots! They are both dumb. They need eachother.
SudanCarib 7 months ago
The film was really good. The book was better, very good entertainment... Science and Religon will always be a logger heads. Instead of fighting nature, work with it. What I mean is, instead of trying to outwit one another, work together for a conclusion. People will believe in God even if Science finds the anserws. I don't believe in God, but faith is needed, Faith in people, Faith in God or Faith in yourself. You are fighting a loosing battle when it comes to Science versus Religon.
FilmTrailersChannel 8 months ago
never been a buddhist dictator
chattooga51 8 months ago
People....science is fine and i am not agianst science at all. But religion and spiritualty is so beautiful and why? It teaches you who you are on the inside, what your life's purpose is and what your mission is on this earth everyday you live. it teaches you to care for each other and thank the greater power out there beyond yourself that created you. It can heal, love, and uplift human potentiality and purpose. Religion is philosophy and realizing one's true self. That's all.
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib You don't need religion to learn about yourself, or to find purpose, or to love. And it often holds back human potential. Specific religions have not only held back humanity, but persecuted those who would seek their potential. And still do when they get the chance--see Texas School Board for a recent example. Or the Dover trial. Or any facist, bigoted laws that are constantly being pushed forward by the Christian right. Just sayin' . . .
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@Swidhelm Religion wants nothing more than to be voices of compassion, meaning and purpose in a world spinning out of control. The world is already messed up as it is. I know sometimes people misuse religion as control and oppression but that is not what it's for. There were many famous scientist who believed in god like Issac Newton, Galileo etc. They didn't let science get in the way of their belief. They seen religion as another language of understanding the universe and existence.
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib Religions doesn't want anything, it isn't a sentient being. And what each religion wants is different. The three Abrahamic religions generally want to dominate the world. Well, more so Christianity and Islam. And those religions also promote ignorance, frown on learning (the doctrines themselves) and have been a major stumbling block to progress for a very long time.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@Swidhelm Every religion is trying to understand the world in different ways and languages. Religion is a philosophy of life that people could live by. Jesus taught that we should love everybody. Buddha taught that we can deal with suffering in 4 ways. Krisha taught that we should first find ourselves first before we can expand ourselves. Muhammad taught that we should be more rational and practical. Look at the people who made the religion and learn from them.
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib Some religions aren't particularly bothersome, like Buddhism. Some are a great stain on human history, most notably the Abrahamic ones--Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Christ may have been progressive for his time, but he still applied the laws of the OT which are barbaric at best, and promote ignorance. Love thy neighbor fine, provided he's a fellow worshiper of Yahweh. The bible is quite explicit one what to do to those that do not believe. And it is not loving.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@Swidhelm lol let's just say eastern religions are more safer and not bothersome than western religions. Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism and other spirituals are fine. They do not slain anybody. The western world doesn't know what Jesus and Muhammad taught and they are using rules of their own to control the world. like Osama bin laden and the Taliban. Jesus and Muhammad were just normal human beings who created a philosophy. Man created the bible to control people.
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib Jesus was basically a hippie of his day, preaching against the doctrine of the established Jewish temple. Which earned him the ire of the priests. Mohammad was a war lord, and his teachings he used to control those around him from the get go. The fact that people followed him because of his "vision in a cave while alone" speaks volumes about the gullibility of the people in the region at the time. Because at that time Mohammad had no power.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@Swidhelm They were both normal humans sure. History showed that they was good philosophers and good teachers. Nothing divinity about them. They did teach about the spiritual reality to life. They both believe that there was life after death, and a higher power like God and Satan to interpret the world of good and evil.
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib Mohammad was no philosopher, though Jesus may have been in a manner. Just because they believed in a god, or a devil or both, doesn't make what they believed valid or real. We live on a small planet in a nondescript solar system, amidst a vast galaxy with billions of stars, in a sea of billions upon billions of galaxies, each with billions of stars. I can't say there is not god, but I have seen no evidence for one, and certainly none worth worship. The Abrahamic gods are psychos.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@Swidhelm To me It's all about seeking a higher power or intelligence that is beyond just material universes and galaxies. God or gods, angels and demons, spiritual figures, mystics, priest, monks metaphysics etc etc are all part of that. Throughout the ages mystics have seen more than just the physical world....glimpses of other realities(afterlife, experiences). Just because atheist don't believe it doesn't make it untrue. We can't convince anybody. In the end its all about what they believe.
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib Sure you can be spiritual without religion. As long as people have creativity, meaning and purpose and compassion then we would be okay.
I'm not assuming but when a materialist sees the universe he says: We are just a part of nature. We are not special at all. This is all just an accident. We are living on a small planet.
When a spiritualist sees the universe he says: This cant be no accident. There is a meaning for my existence. I'm meant to be here. There is something beyond.
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib A spiritualist says no such thing. To have a spiritual experience is essentially an emotional high derived form something they are awed by or have a passion for. For me it's art, music, literature, nature, including the cosmos. I look at space and our little world and think "Man this is incredible. The odds were stacked against us, yet here we are, self aware and contemplating existence. We search our past, and look to the future." To be in awe of existence does not require god.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@Swidhelm We see our existence and self awareness in different ways. People who are polytheistic, monotheistic, spiritualistic and metaphysical see nature as a huge intelligence and look towards a higher power or other realities that is beyond space and time . People who are materialist, fundamentalist, reductionist see the world with a naturalistic perspective and can only see and believe what is in front of them. It's like Rene Descartes view and Spinoza's view.
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib Max plank and Sir Arthur Eddington have evidence for something like that through quantum physics. Eddington was a scientist but also a mystic. Max Planck was a christian but the father of quantum theory. They both said that consciousness is behind all the reality we experience and see. So there has to be something beyond the so called physical world. Afterlife could be possible.
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib Why?
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@SudanCarib And that's why science moves forward, and our understanding grows, while religion stagnates. And that's why things like the Dover trial occur. And why many theists fear science. The gaps of understanding that religion occupies are getting fewer and smaller.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@Swidhelm Like the video or the story said, Science and Religion are not enemies. They are telling the same story but in different languages. Science understands it the objective way and religion understands it the subjective way. Science can reveal alot of things. Famous scientist who were theist like Issac newton or Galileo don't fear science but they see it as a way of understanding god's work. who knows if we finish E=mc2 who knows what could it reveal....
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib Why? Look around you, do you matter?, do life on earth and the whole universe matter? Is there something special within life and existence itself? could there be something beyond this that we can imagine? is our birth a gift from our intelligence? is our body structure, animals and plants and other sources of life are a product of an intelligence?
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib If our bodies are a gift from intelligence they need a major recall and revamp before putting out such a faulty product again. Our bodies, designed as they are, are not particularity efficient. Bad knees, bad lower back, the problems women face during child birth because of such small hips, etc. Interconnecting our trachea and esophagus which often leads to choking when eating, and other problems. Using our bathroom bits for reproduction, etc. Heh. I could go on.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@SudanCarib Science and religion aren't enemies per say, but around the world religion is constantly battling science. Most notable from a western stand point are the conflicts in the "bible belt" of America. They want creation "science" taught in classrooms, and evolution out if they could have their way. Most theists have very little understanding of what science even is, and how it works. Like when creationists claim that evolution is just a theory.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@Swidhelm Sure they do fight alot but it's not going to lead us nowhere. The western world is always like that. They think Christianity is the most important religion that it blocks every religion out. There is many religions out there. We can keep science in schools but religion is supposed to be a home thing. College religious studies for classes are OK but not to force kids to believe.
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib I very much agree with you there. Religion should be taught in a religious environment. In college classes it is different. Normally, unless attending a religious college, it is taught in a more academic way, rather than a "believe this, this is our god" way. If you get my meaning. My only real issue with religion is when it gets in the way of progress. Like say gay marriage. But that's why religions should be kept out of state, and vice versa. Someone wants to believe in god, ~cont
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@Swidhelm power to them. But don't try and force your religious edicts on me and mine. Anyways dude, it's been interesting. Hope I didn't piss you off or anything, not my intent. Cheers, and have a good day.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@Swidhelm It was nice talking to you too. Hey buddy, In the end with all this back and forth discussing, It's all about or the only thing that matters is what you believe and what I believe. In the deeper reality we don't really know...WE don't know everything and there is alot of things that we don't understand so we just have to do best with the knowledge we have. That's it.
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib Very true. As much as we do know, it barely scratches the surface I'd imagine. Lots of questions, lots of looking. Peace dude.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@SudanCarib Why believe something that has no tangible evidence for its existence? Science has found no evidence suggesting an afterlife of any kind. We know what the brain does as the body shuts down when it's dying, the tunnel vision and such before blacking out, the synapses firing off chaotically sometimes. There might be an afterlife, but unless evidence is presented beyond anecdotes, there's nothing to go on. Do you believe in Odin?
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@SudanCarib The bible (new testament), though initially not compiled to control people, but to offer people a "cannon" of who and what Jesus was. Lots was left out at Nicea. Some of the texts left out spoke of Jesus in a not so divine nature, but a mortal man who encouraged people. But the leaders wanted something that the persecuted people at the time could find some hope in, and that was the idea of the next life, or reward for their suffering after death.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@SudanCarib But as the western religions are centered around fear, it makes it very very easy to control a population if they believe in that fear. Has been done since the dawn of religion, especially ones that are fear centered. And we are seeing it right now with the republican party in the states. They couple the religious fear with words like communism, and socialism, and marxism to further their corporate capitalist agenda. Keep people stupid and afraid, and you can control them.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@Swidhelm I agree Fear is stronger than Love. The government is using fear to control the minds out there in politics and the media. Illuminati, Freemasons, communist, republicans, democrats all use fear to control. It's a sad thing. This is why people need spirituality....to follow and live in love rather than fear. What i see in this world right now is...Fear.
SudanCarib 8 months ago
@SudanCarib spirituality is not synonymous with religion though. You can be spiritual without religion. Why be a slave to something that promotes fear, and ignorance? Those are shackles. Better to open your mind, question everything, learn, etc. And being a social species, love comes pretty easy, no need for religion their either. Just do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Pretty easy rule to live by.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
An unfettered search for truth is necessary for all intelligent humans. The ultimate fruit of this sincere effort concludes that truth of true science and truth found in true (unadulterated) religion is not in conflict. The old religious control freaks is what gave the true religious impulse a bad name. Religion is like a tree. It lives, gives spiritual fruit and teachings, withers and dies. A new Tree appears, yielding fresh teachings which fit the times. The Baha'i Faith is such
fsmtdaler 9 months ago
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stephen22564 9 months ago
you blamed GOD for the state of the world
you then admit that man is to blame
and now you are in denial ???
stephen22564 9 months ago
I don't fuck around in church or go because I'm scared those damn priests will brain wash me
EthernalExhile 9 months ago
both science and religion are man made concepts that ignore what GOD requires of us
most of mankind wants to put thier faith in these concepts than do what GOD requires
soon they will find they have made the wrong choices
stephen22564 9 months ago
@stephen22564 Thats because "God" is also a man-made concept.
nicolebaresi 9 months ago
@nicolebaresi
on what do you base that statement ?
your statement is as shallow as the evolution doctrine which has NO scientific evidence
it was and still is a theory which remains unproven
stephen22564 9 months ago
@stephen22564 The fact that everything "written" by God was infact written by man?
The bible and going into other religions, the qur'an and so forth.
Religion is just a system of control much in the same way as Democracy, Communism, Facism and so on.
nicolebaresi 9 months ago
@nicolebaresi True...But Faith teaches ethics and morality....Marxist Communism and Fascism teaches the oppression of thought. ..not to mention freedoms...one being the freedom of religion. Faith makes the world better...warts and all..if you want to see what the world would be like without religion go to North Korea or look at the old USSR. This movie was interesting...but total BS.
MarkFFHH 9 months ago
@MarkFFHH Faith makes the world better? I've nothing wrong with faith, but religion doesn't make the world better now, infact its more like the reverse, religion is having a largely negative effect on the world right now.
Not just politically, but in terms of human progression.
America is turning into what happened to Islam after the 11th (and going into the 12th) century.
nicolebaresi 9 months ago
@MarkFFHH Want to see a world dominated by religion? Visit the dark ages. You can have a world without religion, and not have dictators as well. They don't go hand in hand. Some dictators, depending on their method, find their people rally around religion and fight against them, so they stomp it out. Smart dictators use the religion and control through the already ingrained fear present in said religion. Look at countries like Sweden and Denmark.
Swidhelm 8 months ago
@stephen22564 And yet God has never been proven either.
Yet, you still believe in him, sounds like your just a little bit of a hypocrite.
nicolebaresi 9 months ago
@nicolebaresi
firstly i suggest you find out what hypocrisy means
GOD's word the bible was indeed written by man who was inspired by GOD
out of all the books written by man it is the only one where divine inspiration is evident because if it had been written by man alone it would not show mistakes and weakenesses as man's nature is to never admit error
i have seen and experienced enough in my life to believe in superior design and divine intervention
stephen22564 9 months ago
@stephen22564 Lets see, what does Hypocrisy mean; hmm, maybe it's denying something because as you put it "unproven" but then believing in something that is...unproven.
Yep, that sounds a bit like hypocrisy to me.
Also "divine inspiration" heh, that must be why the bible has been changed so many times and why it contradicts itself so much.
I guess God was just having an off day then.
At the very least if a God does exist he's at the very least incompetetant with how fucked up the world is.
nicolebaresi 9 months ago
@nicolebaresi i stated that evolution is a theory that has no evidence to back it up
MAN has changed GOD's word the bible for his own selfish gain and the perpetrators will face judgement
MAN is the one who has created the state that the world is in through greed and selfishness NOT GOD
if you read the bible you would find it does NOT contradict itself [ where diid you read THAT statement ? ]
people love to just quote others rather than find out for themselves
stephen22564 9 months ago
@stephen22564 Yes, Evolution has no evidence to back it up, apart from the 20-25 evolutionary links that have been found.
Yes, MAN changed the bible because MAN wrote it. Pretty simple eh?
And I have read the bible, it's my misfortune in being raised in a country that makes you learn that crap in school.
There is the schizophrenic aspect of God from the Old Testament to the New Testament with how different they are. I guess the writers decided it was easier to get people to like a "good" God.
nicolebaresi 9 months ago
@nicolebaresi would you care to share some of those links ?
strange how they are not common knowledge
from your statement about GOD you obviously haven't learnt anything from HIS word but then you don't learn anything from it without GOD'S help through prayer beforehand
i like the way you conveniently ignore my statement about man's effect on the planet
bit too near the truth for you ?
GOD has remained constant throughout history but man in his ignorance and arrogance has declined
stephen22564 9 months ago
@stephen22564 Not common knowledge? I really hope thats a joke, because these things have been common knowledge for about 50+ years. There are many many (last time I heard it was around 20) "links" in our evolutionary chain that have been discovered, and I can't link anything since you can't post links on youube anymore, so just google "the link between ape and man", then the rest is up to you, you can decide to remain in ignorance or not, it matters not to me either way.
nicolebaresi 9 months ago
@nicolebaresi ah yes the old man- ape theory . i thought that had been discredited years ago after the piltdown man fraud . it just goes to show that if people are told lies for long enough they will start to believe it . then again as the lord of lies rules this world it is quite understandable really
of course he has done a good job of persuading people of his non existance
well my friend you are welcome to parrot the ideas of others but i would rather place my trust in GOD
stephen22564 9 months ago
@stephen22564 Wow I gotta admit, you're the most brainwashed person I've ever come across lmao.
I imagine people like you would of been much happier if you were born in the Dark Ages, where your views belong.
I'm done with trying to teach a brick wall.
nicolebaresi 9 months ago
@nicolebaresi your statement shows how brainwashed YOU are when you are not prepared to accept anything other than what you have read . you know nothing of GOD's word but are ready to blame HIM for the ills of the world . you know nothing about me and from what you have said so far have nothing to teach me you live in a world based on lies and are a slave to it whereas i am free probably not aware that you are living in the 1st month of the year NOT the 4th ...go research
stephen22564 9 months ago
@nicolebaresi i find it interesting that you have no channel to visit yet you post on here
are you a government shill ???
stephen22564 9 months ago
@stephen22564 I very much have a channel, its just not publically available since I actually value my privacy, and it sonly filled with videos I actually like/wanna watch over anyway, usually music so I fail to see how that would interest you.
nicolebaresi 9 months ago
@nicolebaresi my channel too is filled with things that interest me and i enjoy but i don't hide behind it and make it exclusive to me
i consider you tube to be a site for sharing as i'm sure most do
you are extremely naive if you think you have privacy
our every move is monitored on the net so there is no such thing as privacy
i'm sure you are aware that the net was originally a network of military computers and although the public has gained access it still remains as such
stephen22564 9 months ago
@stephen22564 Also what about Man's effect on the Earth? I'm very well aware that Man is destroying the Earth, what has that got to do with anything? Unfortunately there is only so many characters you can use in a comment, so I can't answer everything.
You have a point here? What has Man's effect on the Earth got anything to do AT ALL with what we're discussing? Nothing.
nicolebaresi 9 months ago
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85ninja 10 months ago
Religion is the thing that has slowed down the evolving of mankind.
BlackTiger112 10 months ago 21
@BlackTiger112 Um no... assuming man has evolved, politics would be what has slowed down the evolution of man.
IfUrGivingIn 3 months ago
@IfUrGivingIn How are politics hindering scientific research?
BlackTiger112 3 months ago
@BlackTiger112 Scientific research is led by those who fund the research, i.e. corporations and government. This means they control various aspects of the method, which includes, what we want to observe, who observes it, interpretation of the data etc. A recent example would be the fake data the IPCC has been using to indicate a non existent trend in the sea level.
IfUrGivingIn 3 months ago
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Conciousnow1983 11 months ago
hello
Conciousnow1983 11 months ago
dsfs
Conciousnow1983 11 months ago
Science is the research that will help us in the future.
Religion is the research of the irrelevant past that will never help us take the next step in life.
If there were no Scientists we would know nothing for sure, and still be living in the stone age, with no certainties and no knowledge of anything.
BrocK2026 1 year ago
@BrocK2026 The only help we got for religion is... to kill each other for stupid beliefs but you know we were damned by the consciousness and we had to create something to explain everything, but that went too far.
so in few words, religion is the basis of violence. (Sometimes could work but most of the time dont, the cool thing is you can control the masses if you know how to use it well.)
olaokolaok 1 year ago
Hi, I'm here for internet fights
Let me "throw the first rock":
Suck my dick religious cunts. You're all a bunch of dumb idiots believing in a fairy tales! Grow the fuck up.
doubleGi 1 year ago 16
@doubleGi Mighty tolerant of you. Just goes to show what sort of brain and personal manners you atheist liberals harvest. Disgusting.
Dodo251 1 year ago
@Dodo251 ajde ne seri mi. Šta se mozga tiče zanima me kakav je tvoj kad ti mišljenje temelji na pripovjedkama starim 2000 godina. Zarini si štap u svoje zategnuto guzicu. I pravi mi govori o toleranciji. Sječaš se križarskih ratova i svih ostalih? Čak i Hitler je mislio, da su arijci ob boga dana rasa. Serete o etici i moralu a od početka religije jih najviše kršite.idi pušit kurčinu u najbližju crkvu, mislim da neče imati ništa protiv i da jim je to normalno ili možda i nije ako si prestar
doubleGi 1 year ago
@doubleGi Ti si sramota ljudske rase, prvo pogledaj svoje manire ti izrode, a onda meni nešto reci. Da, ja vjerujem u Boga i baš zato se ne ponašam kao ti i ljudima drugog svjetonazora ne psujem kao zadnje smeće ovog planeta. Ti si neodgojeno govno i toplo ti preporučam da posjetiš najbližeg psihijatra jer si očito u mladosti bio napastovan od strane roditelja. Tvrdiš da imaš 28 godina, a ponašaš se kao prištava pubertetlija od najviše 18. Nisi dostojan zvati se čovjekom.
Dodo251 1 year ago
@Dodo251 "...zato se ne ponašam kao ti i ljudima drugog svjetonazora ne psujem...Ti si neodgojeno govno..."
ili imaš IQ 50 ili memoriju ko zlatna ribica. Izgleda da se ne sječaš šta napišeš prije nekoliko sekundi. I da se ne ponašaš isto? kakav komentar si pustio na moj prvi komentar? kakav na drugi? Ponašaš se isto ako si želiš priznati ili ne. Ali šta je još gore; meni zabranjuju takvo ponašanje samo društvene etičke norme i zakon a tebi i crkva ;) Ali... izgleda da se ti jebe i za vjeru
doubleGi 1 year ago
@Dodo251 i znaš šta se mi svidža... u toj bibliji imate toliko tog sranja o moralu i svi se imate za velike vjernike i dobre kristjane... ali prvi put kad vam netko baci kamen, pustite sve u pizdu materinu i se borite protiv vatre sa vatrom i spremni ste iči protiv svega šta vam piše u bibliji i šta vam je rekao kristus. Dvoličnost? Jeste... tipična kristjanska. Mislite da ste bolji jer idete u tu crkvu, ali izgleda da tikvani ništa ne naučite tamo.
doubleGi 1 year ago
@doubleGi Ti si ogorčen čovjek pun mržnje koji je izgubio kontakt sa stvarnošću i stoga ću te blokirati jer ne želim imati posla sa sotoninim okotom.
Dodo251 1 year ago
@Dodo251 ajde idi pričaj bajke djeci i laži si dalje, onda pali tv i isto kao tu, okrivi i muslimane za sve zlo.
haha, koje dvolično sebično uzvišno smeče ste vjernici nevjerojatno.
Neznam baš kako če se Bogu svidjati kršenje zapovjedi koje vam je kristus dao! Ko zna... možda zbog tog odnosa na youtube: odgovori vatrom na vatru, i završiš i paklu! E to bi bila ironija hahaha!
doubleGi 1 year ago
@doubleGi HELL YEAH! Science will always win my friend! Their stupidity and irrationality will not last long!
RichtoffenRoach 7 months ago
@doubleGi im not here for fights. Im 58 and i have always beleived there is a god. You should too god will look after you & please dont use the word "cunt" son. Whatever it means it sounds horrendous. - Be calm, peaceful & look at an icon. peace be with you
gaelicrox 7 months ago
@gaelicrox "Im 58 and i have always beleived there is a god.'
Why?
hawklord2001 6 months ago
@hawklord2001 i have faith and a few things have happened which are unexplained. Science cant explain everything. Why are humans on the earth?
gaelicrox 6 months ago
@gaelicrox "Science cant explain everything."
You are correct. Consider this, to date EVERY mystery that we have solved regarding the nature of things, the answer has NEVER been God did it. Why do you think that those mysteries that we have yet to solve would be any different?
"Why are humans on the earth?"
Why isn't the right question, that presupposes a purpose. A better question and one which we are trying to solve is how.
hawklord2001 6 months ago 49
@hawklord2001 Absolutely agree with that last statement on why we are here. So many people just assume that there has to be a reason that we are here and can't seem to comprehend the fact that not everything happens for a reason (a reason like they mean, I know that life here is the result of something).
jacob3800 3 months ago
@hawklord2001 The "why" is an excellent question, even if it presupposes a purpose. Presuppositions aren't bad, science is even based on presuppositions. Even the concept of Knowledge is based on presuppositions.
IfUrGivingIn 3 months ago
@IfUrGivingIn " Presuppositions aren't bad, science is even based on presuppositions. Even the concept of Knowledge is based on presuppositions."
Yes but then it is necessary for us to find evidence to support those presuppositions.
hawklord2001 3 months ago
@hawklord2001 "Yes but then it is necessary for us to find evidence to support those presuppositions."
That's not true. The presuppositions we hold can't be supported with any evidence, hence why they are presuppositions. Examples:
Give me evidence that the universe wasn't created 10 minutes ago with an appearance of age.
Give me evidence that math and logic exists.
Give me evidence that this existence isn't just a simulation.
You can't...
IfUrGivingIn 3 months ago
@IfUrGivingIn Very good. :)
hawklord2001 3 months ago
@gaelicrox humans are on earth because there was right circumstances for us to develop
loveaction12 3 months ago
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rock3tcat 6 months ago
The only people trying to understand the Universe are scientists. Religion is teaching now what its taught thousands of years ago. Science is Progress, Religion is Ignorance.
meflyhigh 1 year ago
Godlessness , the major factor in the downfall of empires ( Greece , Rome , Soviet Union) . And Jews ( Israel) , Muslims ( Mecca) and Christians ( Vatican City , Orthodox church ) are still here....
If science is credited for " creation" , what is left for god?
- "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16)
Jeeepez 1 year ago
@Jeeepez Science is based on the Physical reality. It wasn't meant to explain anything outside of that. If you limit yourself to science, you limit yourself to this reality. Obviously there is more to existence than the Physical realm. Even science supports this. Not everything that is detected can be detected with physical mediums.
oneworldkingdom 1 year ago
@oneworldkingdom Nice logic there. Science can only explain the physical reality, but there's more than physical reality as evidenced by science...
See anything wrong there?
influenztial 1 year ago
@influenztial Read it again. "Even science supports this." - That was the statement. And it does. Such as Dark Matter. If you had told mankind about this invisible force that makes up 85% of existence, 50years ago you would have been labeled as a quack. But today its somewhat proven by science. Although science can't fully explain it. My point is that there is much more to existence that what we are able to see through science. Science may only shows us the possibilities.
oneworldkingdom 1 year ago
@oneworldkingdom That doesn't justify what you said in your previous comment. I would also encourage you to look into Dark Matter as it is the most widely disputed "theory" in science at the moment. Dark Matter is more of a term to throw in to the models to make the model work because we don't understand everything. So it is FAR from proven.
influenztial 1 year ago
@influenztial Maybe you should recheck your sources. My sources says that Dark matter exist. Your source sounds old and dated. My point is not about dark When you rely on science, you are denying yourself knowledge. Science is only one part of a much larger picture.
oneworldkingdom 1 year ago
@oneworldkingdom And you have evidence of this larger picture, yes? Just because you want something to be true doesn't mean it is.
influenztial 1 year ago
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@oneworldkingdom-- Obviously there is more to existence than the Physical realm Evidence ??? Science has unanswered questions, indeed. If you understand what science is all about, science will most probably never answer all the questions.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza Science is limited to the physical . It is not equipped for the spiritual. No tool can measure what cannot be seen or detected with the senses. Spiritual can only be detected with the mind. Humans have a sixth sense. But it exist with the mind.
oneworldkingdom 1 year ago
@oneworldkingdom Humans have a sixth sense, Which one is that ? Humans have a lot of fantasy and imagination.
tallliza 1 year ago
@oneworldkingdom-- It wasn't meant to explain anything outside of that.-- Of course not, there is no evidence for anything outside of the physical realm . Give me an exemple of something physical that not detected with physical mediums.
tallliza 1 year ago
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@Jeeepez "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16)
Although there is some evidence(in Jewish history) about a man Joshua , condemned to death for rebellion, there is zero evidence for the salvation story.
tallliza 1 year ago
check out "an atheist's argument for the existance of god" at antiskeptic ointment at blogspot for insight about religion and science.
AntisKepticOintment 1 year ago
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Greenwithevil 1 year ago
church never persecuted scientists because they were scientists or because they had progressive ideas, this is a lie perpetrated by thinkers of enlightenment.
church persecuted heretics that spoke against theological truths.
niinja2 1 year ago
it is a great injustice towards the truth to blame the church for stopping progress when its exactly the opposite
and people who claim to be critical intelligent and objective are not worthy of those titles if they believe this bullshit.
niinja2 1 year ago
@niinja2 but why did they do it to Galileo? I'm just curious to understand your viewpoint here.
kly45 1 year ago
@kly45
after listening to a religiously neutral philosopher about Galileo for 2 semesters i came to these conclusions
short story
personal conflict between Galileo and the pope. It had nothing to do with science, or politics ,they were good friends before their fight , nobody actually knows what the fight was about but they insulted each other, galileo had a touch of arrogance, pope was the pope... If it was against the science Copernicus would be the one punished, not Galileo.
niinja2 1 year ago
@niinja2 if you replace theological truths with the church i totally agree. How do you know that what the pope/church say is "truth" without facts to support their claims. I'm not saying religion is a lie. I believe that the word of jesus christ is the one truth and that he is the only son of god therefor the only truth. This movie portrays the illuminati as scientist trying to find the truth about life through science when it is much more than that. they have even infiltrated the church
inlinesk8r 1 year ago
Nonsense on stilts!!!
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hungarylnnjsd 1 year ago
-note to self- Hollywood is still retarded. But maybe if I watch this I can get the putrid taste of Constantine out of my mind.
EATgodCRACKERS 1 year ago
BORAT IS GOD!
MrFuckability 1 year ago
It was the filthy Catholics who sacked Constantinople, at the time the richest city in the world...took all their treasures, slaughtered all the population, particularly the "innocent" French who eagerly were joyous doing it and returned it to the Vatican where to this it lays...all the glorious treasure that was stolen from every part of the globe. The Byzantine Empire later became Orthodox after the Schism not Catholic....why? Because it kept the original Church! That is why it was sacked!
Neso1991 1 year ago
How can any Catholic believe their Church is the original Church, yet their practices are far from that! Was it not in Jerusalem that Christ was born not Rome? Was it not Constantine I who made the Byzantine Empire? How can one claim that the Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire, yet it was not pagan, but Christian...it was the Venetians and the Western Catholics who sacked Constantinople...so why sack your own city? Because it's not.
Neso1991 1 year ago
The Catholic Church is a sin itself. What to me is funny is that the people who pushed EU to other countries are Catholic countries....the same countries who initiated NATO are Catholic countries. Germany, France, England and Italy are one of the most evil countries in the world because for the last 956 years (after they split from the Orthodox Church) have been doing nothing but imposing terror in Europe.
Neso1991 1 year ago
This movie looks fairly antiscience...
is this an accurate perspective of the movies intended appearance?
ArtificialSouls 1 year ago
@ArtificialSouls Explaining to you would involve spoiling the plot
chiffmonkey 1 year ago
@chiffmonkey To spoil the plot, assumes that I'm interested in seeing the movie.
TBH, I'm not, and if what you're still concerned about is spoiling it for comment readers, then pm me please.
Thank you...
ArtificialSouls 1 year ago
@ArtificialSouls Nah this is youtube, spoilers ahoy :P
Camerlengo is the illuminati ringleader.
chiffmonkey 1 year ago
@chiffmonkey So, illuminati=Evil, and Camerlengo being the ringleader AND the popes assistant... THAT MEANS IT'S AUTOMATICALLY ANTIRELIGION!!!!
Seriously though, I'm getting sick of popcultures idea of what science is.
Honestly, IMO, few films seem to at least portray scientists as normal people.
Then again I doubt film portrays most professions accurately.
ArtificialSouls 1 year ago
science=how
a persuit of logical process of elimination studies that provide us with all the healthcare and technology that got us out of loin cloths and drinking muddy disease ridden suage runoff out of the river
mourningmayanlovr420 1 year ago
religion =who
the begining of politics, controling the masses, keeping everyone in a a balance of good morals while providing guidelines to do so, weather it be true or not what is more logical than putting faith in something possitive you can only hope for to be true, but if simply believing something
mourningmayanlovr420 1 year ago
@mourningmayanlovr420 "what is more logical than putting faith in something possitive"
The real question is, are the effect of religion in a modern era, where we're more capable of deterring crime via higher successful accurate conviction rates.
In an era where finding the real criminal may have been more difficult, instilling concern of an all seeing surveillance camera was great.
A question is, are the effects of that indoctrination, good as a whole, while excluding irrelevant features.
ArtificialSouls 1 year ago
so positive is true, and causes you to help your fellow neighbor and live an honest life, is that not what we need as a society in times of prosporus hoarding and greed? yes the catholics killed hundreds of thousands of people durring the times of copurnicus and galeleio for defying the churches word for word bible and their currpt as can be occasionaly but thats the flaw of man ,. is that truely the subject of debate here?
mourningmayanlovr420 1 year ago
the flaws of men in no way effect the bottom line of religion being a good moral code to live by and science being a persuit of better and less primitive less nieve less biast less lazy, less IGNORANT form of culture and time period to live in ,.. catch up and get an education, stop drinking the coolaid and study practically provable theories that are right in front of your face, not to mention the churches
mourningmayanlovr420 1 year ago
tyranical rain over th public for the last sevral millenia (religion is the basis of almost all wars and cultural differences to this day, and theyre all saying the SAME THING ((with the exception of the quaran)) persue the study of bettering the human beings life expectancy technology and understanding of the physical elements and undersrand that no matter how deep we get down the rabbit whole of physics and the deepest most complex forms of
mourningmayanlovr420 1 year ago
@mourningmayanlovr420 "religion is the basis of almost all wars and cultural differences to this day".
Can you prove it? No, U can't. You just repeat lies. Pathetic.
mcfunthomas 1 year ago
science were not going to find a unified feild theory of "everything" were only going to discover at best what we can visualy see on the visual spectrum of our universe,... you have nothing to loose by being religous or spiritual:putting trust in something you cant understand with the faith that its realy there and 2 science isnt the anti christ its
mourningmayanlovr420 1 year ago
not a bunch of devil worshiping hocus pocus witchcraft athieistic bull shit its the pursuit of growing more intelligent and aware with each generation were fortunate to be on the verge of the next intelligance revolution be a part of it and get your nose out of a book thatsd been re worte 1000 times in the last 3000 years thank for reading this whole thing i feel better
mourningmayanlovr420 1 year ago
i can only wonder how this world would be nowadays if faith had never existed. 4 out of 5 wars would not have happened, we would be 500+ years further technological developed, there would be no poorness, no corruption. And every disease you can imagine could be cured by the press of a button. the average lifetime would probably be 100+ years. imagine that.
filmforlifeordie 1 year ago
Look at what science has done for the world. Everything you have, your home, your
possessions, your computer, and even your life you owe to science. If you want to know what religion has done, look up the dark ages. Science has helped and will help the world far more than religion ever will.
FinsterIsAnIdiot 1 year ago 23
@FinsterIsAnIdiot Definitely, look at the main weak points off religion and the strong points of science. Great ethics buddy.
Luvcupramen 1 year ago
@FinsterIsAnIdiot "Look at what science has done for the world. [...] If you want to know what religion has done, look up the dark ages. "
Is fallacious, narrow-minded thinking your best way of convincing ppl? LOL. You've got some morons on your side, thumbing you up. :)
mcfunthomas 1 year ago
@FinsterIsAnIdiot science has technology yes, but we need faith and belief more
zaser555 11 months ago
@zaser555 why?
elchapetas 11 months ago
@zaser555 I think that having fewer false beliefs is more important than having more true beliefs. For instance I would rather accept that I don't have enough evidence to support a belief of the orign of the universe, than hold a totally unsupported belief on faith that could interfere with eventually finding evidence. Any intellectual will tell you that the null hypothesis is best. Faith as belief despite or without evidence is not only unnecessary, but often harmful to us to in my opinion.
kyebean 11 months ago
@FinsterIsAnIdiot the religion may be dark, and have lots of flws, but faith, isnt
nfsmohpsp 11 months ago
@FinsterIsAnIdiot
you really think that CERN will prove that there was a big bang?
DrHouse2006 10 months ago
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SpiritDetectiveJr 9 months ago
Science and religion have their negatives and positives. Science isn't perfect. Even religion. And if i recall there were people in BCE that were religious and scientists. Science fucked up our world too. With medicine and shots that have weird substances in them. I can go on but i have limited characters here. And religion has been going on and problematic for way more years than science. What im trying to say both subjects have their pros and cons. Neither one is perfect.
SpiritDetectiveJr 9 months ago
@FinsterIsAnIdiot You act like no one that believes in God works in science..I work in R & D and I am a Roman Catholic..this movie was an insult to the Church..they act like they are living in the dark ages..I might remind you that it was the Vaticans Academy of Sciences under Pope Gregory VI in the 1580's that established the modern Calendar (Gregorian Calendar) that you use today and figured the length of a year to a fraction of a second. This movie is even an insult to science.
MarkFFHH 9 months ago
@FinsterIsAnIdiot I agree....where would we be today without the Nuclear Bomb.
MarkFFHH 9 months ago
@FinsterIsAnIdiot I agree...I mean where would we be today without the Nuclear Bomb
MarkFFHH 9 months ago