Hm, i would have likened to hear an islamic creationist instead of an old-school christian one, as AJE is normally having a muslim audience. It would have been interesting to see, how a muslim creationist would have debated here.
Just about everything Dinesh D'souza says (including his book "What's so great about christianity?") brings to mind the old Pythonesque question "I'm sorry...this is irrelevant, isn't it?"
As an atheist, I believe we should teach ID. Let each camp have its say and teach critical thinking to children. Trust them to figure it out and sort it out for themselves. Evo-Devo has shown that there are a lot of problems with the reigning theory of evolution.
how do you teach science in a theistic way ? @4:47 he makes a leap into fantasy. Evolution doesnt discuss the origin of life , so what ? the theory of gravity doesnt explain how planets got there either , so what . No you have to start with a self replicating molocule, then work up from there.
wow, who's dumber? the interviewee here or those 'people on the street'. i believe in evolution, but not ''cause that's what i learned in school'. that guy's making us look bad
"The bible said god breed a soul into man" ...It also said that the first man was Adan and that was created from mud. The bible doesn´t even give a hint about evolution. Why dinesh d souza is admiting evolution theory and at the same time claims the literal authority of the bible. The bible or is the word of god or it is not. It can´t be both. It cannot be interpreted. Or you take it as it is or you don´t. If you do, how can you do this? Is there another holy book on how to interpret the bible?
"The bible said god breed a soul into man" ...It also said that the first man was Adan and that was created from mud. The bible doesn´t even give a hint about evolution. Why dinesh d souza is admiting evolution theory and at the same time claims the literal authority of the bible. The bible or is the word of god or it is not. It can´t be both. It cannot be interpreted. Or you take it as it is or you don´t. If you do, how can you do this? Is there another holy book on how to interpret the bible?
"The bible said god breed a soul into man"...It also said that the first man was Adan and that was created from mud. The bible doesn´t even give a hint about evolution. Why dinesh d souza is admiting the evolution theory and at the same time claims the literal authority of the bible. The bible or is the word of god or it is not. It can be both. It cannot be interpreted. Or you take it as it is or you don´t. If you do, how is it that you do this. Is there another holy book to interpret the bible?
@ZerqTM youre the weakling and youre lazy- you have not because you ask not- inother words your too lazy and indulgent to seek God with all your heart youd find him
Nobody is teaching Evolution in an 'Atheistic way' - Science is taught in agnostic way, without promoting any religion or non religion. If all creationists stop interfering with the education processes, scientists would have no problem. D'Souza is the one implying that God exists and then whining when he is getting slapped in the face by the atheists.
Intelligent viewpoint. I believe in ISlam though. ex-atheist, but naturally I understand Science as the way of understanding creation. And evolution as the mechanics by which new species arise --- in a supra-universal sense this corresponds to my view of the Will of God. Certainly, religious opposition to scientific discovery is superstition. However, none of the early arab scientists and evolutionary theorists (Al Jahiz, Ibn Miskywan) had a problem with evolution. Proper Islam doesn't either.
What is proper Islam? is that the one where everything can be re-evaluated to fit scientific principles, the one which is only metaphorical (in terms of Adam and Eve and Garden of Eden)?I know a great deal of Muslims who would beg to differ. Many Muslims don't even believe in Evolution, they will check right answers in a classroom, but don't really believe that evolution.occurred.
#1-Yes, many would. But the majority of people in the world do not have much knowledge of, nor care for science.
Like Al-Biruni and other philosophers, I agree with the viewpoint that the Quran is not subordinate to an everchanging science. Not many people outside the scientific process properly understand its greatest strengths and its limitations (in both the Scientific Method, and the peer-review process that promotes already established views over radical ones, regardless of the evidence).
The problem with many Muslims of the world is that they place undue faith in the so-called Hadiths (stories of the prophet) . The real problem with Islam and science lies here and not in the quran
However, the Quran can in principle be reconciled with that ever-changing science (in contrast to the Bible), and if we really look at the core tenets of Islam as presented in teh Quran - 1. Faith should be based on reason, 2. Truth and God are one, 3. the Evidence lies in nature, etc.
#3-what we see is that core spirit of science. In fact, the reason Muslim scientists invented the scientific method (all science before this point can thus be considered pre-scientific), is because of the spirit of the Quran. Empiricism is advocated in the Quran. Skepticism is advocated too, regardless of how contradictiory this sounds, because of the Quranic philosophy that faith without reason is either blind or under duress and therefore cannot truly be for the dedication to Truth -
#4-...and in the quran. God and truth are one. He is the final ultimate truth.
The Quranic God is also a supra-universal one that exists beyond all planes of existence, and not the petty tribal man-god of the Bible -- the God who lives in heaven that is in the sky.
#1-Muslim scientists came up with correct theories of evolution about a 1000 years before Darwin. as any scholar of medieval history knows, many such discoveries predated science in Europe, and ISlamic philosophers are credited with the development of the cornerstone of modern science (Epistemology, Scientific Skepticism (Al Ghazali in particular) & The Scientific Method (Ibn Al-Haytham)) -- contemporary Islamic views reconciling science with Islam have declined into ignorance and barbarity...
#2-And this lamentable trend is in most part to a senseless affirmation of literal creation among Muslims similar to the Old Testament view (regardless of the fact that literal creation is absent from the Quran)..
However, during the period immediately after Muhammad (roughly 7th century to 15th century), Islamic views and Arab science reached remarkable heights of "enlightenment" similar to currently held Western (or Global) scientific views.
D'Souza starts right off with an erroneous statement! Darwin didn't "come up with the theory of evolution". This idea had been around for quite a while and numerous other scientists had tried to figure out how to explain the evolution they recognized in the fossils and animals around them. It was Darwin who gave us the Theory of Evolution through Natural Selection, the correct theory. Do D'Souza needs to get his fundamental facts straight!
How much you want to bet if the multiverse is proven, theists will come around claiming that it's just more proof of God's greatness, that he's created multiple universes instead of just one?
This is a key point. D'Souza cannot accept that the universe just came from nothing. But he has no problem accepting his god was always there or came from nothing. Since there is no reason at all to assume a god, then atheism is the default position. God is too vague of a term, if there is a creator of the universe, we have no knowledge of it at all, and the anthropomorphic god really does seem quite naive. Atheism is the default, it's what we have to work with right now.
D'souza starts off being fairly rational but the only people I've seen claim that evolution refutes the gods are creationists. Then he descends into nonsense about "design" in the universe and a really fallacious (as always) cosmological argument.
If God doesn't need a beginning, why then does the universe? Perhaps it simply expands and contracts. As it gets to the end of expansion, it contracts until it cannot contract any further and explodes into another era of expansion.
If creationists can use that argument, so can others.
How convenient for you ;-) The problem is that you have not explained ANYTHING by addressing a god. God is just an other way of saying "I don't know".
Another problem is that if one can imagine a timeless eterenal god without a creator... then one can as easily imagine for example an eternal cycle of universes being born and extending into nothingness... Thereby time is only a property of our universe...In other universe the concept of time might be very different or perhaps nonexisting.
Once again Dinesh speaks with a fork tongue, he probably make a good snake oil peddler in the street of Mumbai, let alone debate the likes of Chris Hitchens.
Islam follows the creationist line. Arabs are 90 percent muslim. Islamic countries exercise strong religious censorship. For example, in a recent year only 65 nonreligious books were published (permitted to be published) in the whole Arabic world (and those mostly cookbooks, travelogues, etc). It is a simple deduction that censorhip was at work. Much of Youtube and the web is censored in Islamic countries. It is a simple conclusion, isn't it?
f you start reading thins you CANT stop .Once ther was a little girl named Cecilia.She was a little 7 year old who got strangled and raped by a man =.If you dont post this to 15 other videos you will see CCecilia standing at the end of your bed with a knife and she will kill you
You have to do this by midnight or you will be dead
ID is nothing more then intellectual laziness, the actual research being done in evolutionary biology is vary fascinating. a lot of the current medicines being produced and even current technology is largely being driven by the concepts behind evolution. Please don't take my word for it, actualy look into it and see for yourself.
Laziness quite possibly, but i'd call it intellectual manipulation because it makes lazy work look valid! ID is the worst idea I think man has ever had!
God Created the Primordial Sludge we pulled ourself out of it and started to Evolve with some help from God ID Intelligent Design ..Everyones a winner Job Done ...We can all go home now and try not to Blow eachother up 8 /
there no need to fight or blow each other up but we can discuss in a civilised manner who is right please watch my video - Fibonacci's Number Prove God
the white dude at the end is a bit doppy to be honest he believe it because he was taught that in skool, so if her was taught to put his hands in fire he would do that too. And dinasours not mentioned in the bible in JOb he talked about a beast which obviously does not exist today but it ate grass and was the size of huge dinasaur lol. so he is pretty stupid. not all atheist but him. the other to justified what they stood for he couldnt
Evolutionists claim we evolved from the simplest form of bacterial life to ever more complex forms of life. The most basic bacteria had less than 500 genes; man has over 22 thousand. In order for bacteria to evolve into man, organisms would have to be able to add genes. But there is no genetic mechanism that adds a gene. (Mutations change an existing gene but never add a gene.) This means there is no mechanism for Darwinian Evolution and this is a fatal flaw in the Theory of Evolution.
you should take a microbiology class before you actually spill stupid nonsense online. Bacteria can add new genes its called "transformation". Bacteria can take up naked DNA from other bacteria. This causes the recipient bacteria to encode for a NEW gene for a different protein or function, thus overtime can cause more genes to be introduced over and over. They can also use their pilus to transfer plasmids to one another.
There is no DNA research pointing to a connection between apes and humans as was supposed by the scientists and those who had financed them over the years. In fact, the barnyard pig is closer to humans in many aspects, than a monkey or a gorilla. Consider the fact, doctors use the skin from pigs to replace needed tissue on burn victims and the famous movie actor, John Wayne had a pig's heart valve installed in his own heart in a 1977 operation to save his life. It worked, too
Are you serious? you should read some scientific journals. There are greater than 95% similarities between human and chimp DNA. The reason why pigs are used for heart valve transplants is because their HLA molecules are easilier to eliminate than chimp organs. Also because certain diseases are more susceptible to be transfer from chimp to human.
Humans have 46 chromosomes. This chromosome count is a steady factor. This determines what is called the "fixity of species" because the chromosome count doesn't vary. People always give birth to people. Dogs always give birth to dogs, etc. The genes can produce variety within the species, but cannot result in a different species.
Genes allow for people to be short, tall, fat, thin, blond, brunette, etc., but they are still all human beings. The chromosomes make crossing of the species an un-crossable barrier. This certainly would hinder any evolution. Dogs cannot breed with cats. This fact stops evolution dead in its tracks.
woah! miles out there fella! Evolution does not depend on cross species reproduction. It depends on different characteristics being slowly distilled over time from a common ancestor into different species. Over time these become more specialist in their particular niche until they become a seperate species.
Darwin admitted that fossils of the transitional links between species would have tobe found in order to prove hisTheory of Evolution.We only find individual species.Evolutionists try to form these individual species into a link according to similar major features, such as wings or four legs,but this simply proves the Theory of Evolution to be a fraud.Darwin was hopeful that future fossils would prove his theory correct,but instead,the lack of transitional links has proven his theory to be wrong
To be honest, I'm not even sure where to start. It's barely even a debate as to whether evolution exists... in the developed world. Can you perhaps explain why there are these fossils at all it evolution never happend? There are transitionary species throughout the fossil evidence - you need look only at our own human ancestory in fossils. Spend some time reading a real scientific text book, you don't even need to read the origin of the species! just primary school biology should do it.
The presence of individual species actually proves they were not developed by an evolutionary process. If evolution were true, all plants, animals and insects would be in a continual state of change. No two creatures would be identical because they would not be separate species. All life forms would be a continual blend of characteristics, without a clear definition among the species. Everything would be changing and every animal, insect and plant would be different.
Charles Darwin had concern about his theory of natural selection. He knew that a failure to find the missing transitional links would seriously cripple his theory of evolution, but he was hopeful the missing links would be found some day. Well, guess what. He died not finding them. Evolutionists have never found the missing links.
I'm afraid that that's simply not true, huge numbers of fossils of transitional forms exist. Even the supposed "problematic" changes like whales (as continually quoted by creationists) have begun to appear in the last few years. Six transitional fossils between whales and land mammals now exist. Darwin may not have had all the facts at his disposal at the time, but we do now and almost everything that he predicted is absolutely true. That is, if you're interested in looking at facts and science.
I'm afraid that is not ture please do your own research stop using the word science as science state that you are created from a sperm drop. If you want to see the proof that fossils disprove evolution watch - FOSSILS HAVE DISCREDITED EVOLUTION (part1)
you didn't tell me why fossils exist? please reply on this point... I don't think i am created from a sperm drop, a disney movie i saw said it was a stork that carried me to my mother's arms. fossils don't disprove darwin, they back him up, they just don't tell the whole story because every fossil hasn't yet been found. What makes you think that evolution isn't true? bible, kuran, you must be religious...? I'm not being sarcstic, i genuinely want to know.
Fossils are the preserved remains or traces of animals, plants, and other organisms from the remote past. The totality of fossils, both discovered and undiscovered, and their placement in fossiliferous rock formations and sedimentary layers (strata) is known as the fossil record. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Well done and precisely right, most fossils come from a period of over 1 million years ago (disputed by god squaders). Why on earth would an intelligent designer design organisms which become extinct? Not all that intelligent to create 99% of all creatures and plants to die off before our appearance on the planet. It doesn't follow, you know it but you continue to kid yoursef. there is not one shred of evidence to support ID.
Look this is getting a bit silly now, I've just wasted eight minutes of my life watching that toss. This is really clutching at straws for proof of god! it's not exactly water to wine (substitute qu'ran story here). You're educated, you've sat in biology classes at school. What exactly did you think was going on?! Put down your antiquated storybook and read a text book. 21st centruy, western world here mate, wakey wakey.
"What is the matter with you, that you are not conscious of Allah's majesty, seeing that it is He Who has created you in diverse stages? See you not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another, and made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (glorious) lamp? And Allah has produced you from the earth, growing (gradually)" (71:13-17).
Can we stop with the mumbo jumbo and grow up? We're not all living in mud huts anymore, we don't still think the earth is flat, we've discovered that the earth isn't the centre of the solar system etc. It's just wierd.
The Quran has set a precedent 14 centuries before modern science, explaining in simple and direct terms about his "creation" of animals and their various functions and then assures us it is He who has the Power over everything. This statement includes the fact Allah can if He Wills, reshape and alter his creation as He Chooses. There is clear evidence within many species of alteration and changes within the species.
However, there is no concrete evidence to support a cross over in development from one type to another, such as reptiles turning into birds or alligators turning into cows. The statements made in Quran are quite clear when Allah tells us of having brought forth other life forms and then destroying or replacing them with others. This again, does not imply evolution in the sense of one type becoming or changing into another.
There is an awful lot of evidence to show evolution both in the fossil record and in continous observations. Allah tells us in a fairly sketchy account written 1400 years ago. you can't relate the quran to science, it doesn't work. the belief has to be kept seperate, as it is in law.
Darwin were aware of this problem with the fossil record some 150 years ago, but they believed that the fossil record had been insufficiently sampled up to that time. Their belief was that paleontological research in the future would more adequately sample the fossil record and show it to be more in line with evolutionary theory. They were wrong! Exactly the opposite happened. After a century and half of excavating fossils from the strata we have found the problem to be worsenot better
No there are thousands of fossils which show transitional forms. This is silly, we'e already been over this ground, you aren't interested in listening to sense, just reading your fairytales.
Ha ha, I've just been on your page thingy and you're english! you've made it mate, no need to keep pretending any more! Just chill out, have a beer and a bacon sandwich - you're in the western world! life's easy, we don't need imaginary friends to get ourseles through the daily toil anymore!
For the Muslim there is no need for separation between religion and science. It is understood from the Quran, revealed over 1,400 years ago, that there is both; "Creation" and "Evolution." And in both instances, it is only Allah who is "Able to do all things." In fact, it was the Muslim scientists, more than 1,000 years ago, who set the stage for the advancement of learning, technology and disciplines in science that we know today
Muslim science did indeed do a lot to influence modern science in the way you say. however, i don't think those scholars would have advocated sitting on their laurels from that point onward! so are you telling me that muslims now have no more to contribute to science after they were commited to writing 1400 years ago within a fairytale!? I know a lot of muslims who would strongly disagree with you there! in fact, every muslim that i know!
All of this knowledge transferred from the Muslims to the Europeans was the vital raw material for the Scientific Revolution. Muslims not only passed on Greek classical works but also introduced new scientific theories, without which the European Renaissance could not have occurred. Thus even though many of the Islamic contributions go unacknowledged, they played an integral role in the European transformation.
I've already told you that I agree with you on this point, however I don't agree that now that that's all said and done and the limited scientific achievements of the day have been note in the quran that no future learning should be added to our intellectual repertoire.
People who believe in evolution have been brainwashed. Their main problem is not the arguments for and against evolution and creation. Their problem is they can't bring yourself to reject evolution, because they have already rejected God. Humans have a big mental fault. They are not able to admit they were wrong. Therefore, they are trapped in their previous decision of rejecting God.
No, a lot of poeple who believe in God also accept evolution, in fact I would say the vast majority of people. It is a small, but vocal minority that constantly bang their drum about this evolution "fraud" which simply does not exist. What has "brainwashed" us exactly? I dare say I could point out a few more examples of the quran or clerics having brainwashed people to sad ends, than any of darwin's works!
The Quran was revealed to Muhammad by the angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) from 610 CE to his death in 632 CE. The Quran was written down by Muhammad's companions while he was alive, although the prime method of transmission was oral.
Make your mind up now as death will reveal truth!!
I was dead for millions of years before my birth and it never inconvenienced me in the slightest! I know an angel called djibril too, but he's a footballer. If you had been born in thailand to a bhuddist family or in fiji or in chile do you think you'd still believe all this. it seems rather subjective to me.
Each person is born in a circumstance which is not of his own choosing. The religion of his family or the ideology of the state is thrust upon him from the very beginning of his existence in this world. By the time he reaches his teens, he is usually fully brain-washed into believing that the beliefs of his particular society are the correct beliefs that everyone should have. However, when some people are exposed to other belief-systems, they begin to question the validity of their own beliefs
God gave us all minds and intellects to enable us to make this crucial decision. It is the most important decision in the life of a human being. Upon it depends his future. Consequently, each and every one of us must examine dispassionately the evidence presented and choose what appears to be right until further evidence arises. There are several arguments which may be advanced to support Islam's claim to be the true religion of God.
To me no explanation is possible, to you, no explanation is necessary. you're not dispassionately looking at anything! you read and hear what you want to believe because it would open a few holes in your favourite text if you accepted evolution! It is impossible for you to look proportionally at something, that much you've made clear.
learnt about the Fibonacci numbers and the golden mean at collage when I was studying architecture, apparently the nature has the best balance design compare to what we human beings make eg buildings, cars, etc. Any thing that will work needs to be designed well as for nature it was designed and made by God look for signs its all around you, a sign is that God created you from a sperm drop you have 2 eyes, 2 lips, 2 hands and 2 legs a symmetry design
"god" created frogs and elephants and chimps a bit like that too din't he. one hell of a coincidence! we're not all primitive savages looking for meaning in things that we don't understand anymore, we've found many answers. no need to refer back to these ancient fairy tales anymore!
Everything around us is proving the existence of God, can any body imagine a building without constructor? Or a cake without a baker? A car without manufacturer? how then to accept the existence of the universe without a maker? simple logic and wisdom.
Haha, got me there! I give up, there is a God or Allah or a Vishnu, a buddha yadda yadda yadda. Jesus came back from the dead, walked on water, Mohammed chatted with angels, Thor creates thunder with a hammer and a monkey god invaded Sri Lanka. All perfectly feasible. I don't know why we've been arguing. I'm off to go and bake a cake, peace be upon me.
If there were many gods then one god would decide to create human beings the other might want to created aliens and other one might want to kill everything so there wouldnt be a balance and stable universe like it is now.
THERE IS ONLY ONE CREATOR that is ALLAH Lord of the Heavens and Earth
there is one truth and that is believe in a God as the creator of the heavens and the earth and submission to the will of God (Islam) is the only truth, so believe what you want its between you and your creator not me I am JUST REMINDING YOU.
You remind away mate, I think I'll ignore you regardless. Allow me to remind you that if all science is to believed the you get one shot at this short life, don't waste it wondering about whether you're upsetting someone that doesn't exist. Get pissed, have fun and screw because i'm afraid when it's all said and done you'll be worm food like the rest of us.
I know science is right not theories and I am not wasting my life I am enjoying my life in a right way mate. If your right I have nothing to loss except some alcoholic drinks etc but if I am right you are so dead!!!
What do you mean science is right, not theories? Science is completely made up of theories - that's the whole point. If you're right then I'm not dead, i'm eternally alive being whipped or something similar, or I'll be reincarnated as a cockroach? I forget which religion is which, they're all pretty much as ridiculous as one another! I think i'll take my chances and enjoy life, not waste my time praying and oppressing women.
Einstein has shown that time is the fourth dimension contiguous with space. In other words, we live in a world that is a space-time continuum.
The point is that Allah does not exist in the world unlike material objects or physical beings. Allah's existence transcends the world of space and time, as it is He Who has created not only all the objects and beings of the world, but also all the laws of space and time governing material and temporal existence.
Allah says in His Quran that He did not create all of this for any foolish purpose. He tells us that He created us for the purpose of worshiping Him, Alone and without any partners.There is not complusion in the way of "Islam." Whoever choses to worship Allah without partners will be admitted to paradise. Whoever denies God and choses some other way to worship or not to believe at all, for them there is an eternal punishment that is most horrible (Hell)
Allah is free of needs, He does need you to worship Him, it does not increase or decrease His power if you worship Him or not but its best for your to thank your creator by worshiping Him, as worship purify your and increase you spirituality
Allah is the creator and the Sustainer of the heaven and earth, it Allah that created you in your mothers womb and your death is the return to your Him
If he crafted me and the other 6-7 billion people on earth I do not think that he needs to be worshiped by me, it was be pointless, he would not appreciate it. Ill jusy say thanks on my return because God is free of needs so ill objectively live my life morally concording to societies ideas of what is moral without him because Allah he requires nothing of me personally. If he created me and is free o needs then it seem that he woulded me to xperience life before i am returned
Say: "Praise be to God. He will show you His Signs and you will recognize them. Your Lord is not heedless of anything you do." (Surat an-Naml: 93)
Man must think on how he came into being, what is the purpose of his life, why he will die and what awaits him after death. He must question how he himself and the whole universe came into existence and how they continue to exist. While doing this, he must relieve himself of all constraints and prejudices.
proof please! The Qu'ran is obviously a plagarised old/new testiment which in turn is written by men! Please please give me evidence that Koran was written by God!
By the way, not being able to correct false thinking is another blow against evolution. The theory of natural selection should conclude that humans should be able to easily correct false thinking, because it is the most beneficial approach, but they can't. People who have already rejected God cannot reprogram themselves. They are hopelessly lost forever --- doomed with a programmed brain that cannot be formatted like a computer hard drive and reprogrammed again.
This again sounds like recycled rhetoric. Perhaps the mental reprogramming needs to be done to those who believe in a 1400/ 2000 year old text? Just a thought. You're british, you don't even live in a part of the world for which this was intended, let alone the period of history! it is meaningless, utterly meaningless. All religious texts are spiteful, hateful, archaic, racist, fundamentalist, self richeous barriers to scientific knowledge.
For the Muslim there is no need for separation between religion and science.
Do we agree that this is a creation? Or do we accept that nothing came out of nothing to form this entire universe?
This is a very clear message from Allah, in the Quran. Something does not come out of nothing. So, there must be something in existence already which created all that we know to exist. And That creator needs to be called upon.
As Allah has said in His Book: "I only created you all to worship Me Alone."
so do you really think of allah and mohamed etc as being real and the things that are to be written in the quran to literal and true? or do you think its just a good set of morals by which to live one's life? rather egotistic of him that passage! It's not "for the muslim", it's for the muslim who is extremely devout.
Well then allah must have come from somewhere too? out of nothing? It explains nothing at all.
ASH HADU AN LAH ELLA ILAL ALLAH WA SHAHADU AN MOHAMMADAN RASUALLAH = I TESTIFY THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND THAT MOHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER. I would not swap my faith with all of Queen Elizabeths wealth as remembering my creator (Allah) brings peace and harmony to my life.
The following are only three of the most obvious.The first argument is based on the Divine origin of the names of the religion and the comprehensiveness of its meaning.The second deals with the unique and uncomplicated teachings concerning the relationship between God, man, and creation.The third argument derives from the fact that Islam is universally attainable by all men at all times.These are the three basic componentsandreason dictate for a religion to be considered the true religion of God
the name Islam (submission to God), is Islam's fundamental acknowledgement of the uniqueness of God and Islam's accessibility to all mankind at all times convincingly support Islam's claim that from the beginning of time in whatever language it was expressed, Islam alone has been and will be the true religion of God.
what about sickle-cell anemia, bacterial resistance to antibiotics, convergent evolution, dinosaur fossils, neanderthals and other hominid fossils, extinction...the list can go on for a while...
Also what about chemistry, biology and physics XDD no its all "Naturalistic" (WTF??)
When you combine the observations and know the sciences involved its OBVIOUS
Unscientific, uneducated , clowns should not talk LOL
Way to preach silly spiritualism to debate Darwin!
Oh, and did he say that evolution doesn't explain the origin of life?! LOL! Of course it doesn't! Abiogenesis does! It's like saying The Big Bang doesn't explain what exploded, when all that theory is meant for is what happened when that 'thing' exploded.
what an ignorant religious nutjob. the theory of evolution is one of the greatest accomplishments of the human mind in history, and explains all life on earth.
That last guy had a GREAT POINT..There is no mention of DHINOSAURS IN THE BIBLE..If as the creationist / ID People say the earth is only 6000 years old then there should be something about DHINOSAURS IN THE BIBLE ???? Where is the T REX in the bible ???? AHH THAT'S RIGHT The bible is FICTION !!!!!
Dinesh says "naturalistic explanations" shouldn't be the only explanations? If explanations can be supernatural, any five year old can invent a story for dark matter (the Blue Fairy turns her flash light off to confuse us) or other things needing explaining and these supernatural explanations would have validity, despite the impossibility of testing them.
You are going to hell in a hand basket, read the dead sea scrolls. If there is no God, What are we doing here? God did create all. You have to have morals and get to know God, he is waiting for you to come to him. Darwin can not even explain how we first got here, wonder where he is now?( in hell). God is in all control. Cause and effect is good to go on, but it is all Glory to God, he like to work miracles.
On the big points, I disagree with Dinesh D'Souza--I am on the "other" side. But Dinesh is informed and well-spoken. Where I labor to listen to many other believers for more than a few moments, Dinesh usually holds my attention longer/est. To the card-carrying atheists out there who are tired of so much blather, give this guy some time. He is sharp; never (NEVER!) off his guard; studied-to-the-nines...a gracious, civil, all-around good guy. His conversion would be a grand prize.
Hm, i would have likened to hear an islamic creationist instead of an old-school christian one, as AJE is normally having a muslim audience. It would have been interesting to see, how a muslim creationist would have debated here.
MardasMan 7 months ago
Just about everything Dinesh D'souza says (including his book "What's so great about christianity?") brings to mind the old Pythonesque question "I'm sorry...this is irrelevant, isn't it?"
hedersknyffeln 1 year ago
Al Jazira allows comments? No censorship this time? But stupid comments are inevitable so why the exception?
AthosAmo 1 year ago
As an atheist, I believe we should teach ID. Let each camp have its say and teach critical thinking to children. Trust them to figure it out and sort it out for themselves. Evo-Devo has shown that there are a lot of problems with the reigning theory of evolution.
misterkel10 1 year ago
how do you teach science in a theistic way ? @4:47 he makes a leap into fantasy. Evolution doesnt discuss the origin of life , so what ? the theory of gravity doesnt explain how planets got there either , so what . No you have to start with a self replicating molocule, then work up from there.
SqueakerAlpha 1 year ago
Religion is based on the fear of death, nothing else.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
wow, who's dumber? the interviewee here or those 'people on the street'. i believe in evolution, but not ''cause that's what i learned in school'. that guy's making us look bad
shnosmas 1 year ago
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"The bible said god breed a soul into man" ...It also said that the first man was Adan and that was created from mud. The bible doesn´t even give a hint about evolution. Why dinesh d souza is admiting evolution theory and at the same time claims the literal authority of the bible. The bible or is the word of god or it is not. It can´t be both. It cannot be interpreted. Or you take it as it is or you don´t. If you do, how can you do this? Is there another holy book on how to interpret the bible?
polito621mr 1 year ago
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"The bible said god breed a soul into man" ...It also said that the first man was Adan and that was created from mud. The bible doesn´t even give a hint about evolution. Why dinesh d souza is admiting evolution theory and at the same time claims the literal authority of the bible. The bible or is the word of god or it is not. It can´t be both. It cannot be interpreted. Or you take it as it is or you don´t. If you do, how can you do this? Is there another holy book on how to interpret the bible?
polito621mr 1 year ago
"The bible said god breed a soul into man"...It also said that the first man was Adan and that was created from mud. The bible doesn´t even give a hint about evolution. Why dinesh d souza is admiting the evolution theory and at the same time claims the literal authority of the bible. The bible or is the word of god or it is not. It can be both. It cannot be interpreted. Or you take it as it is or you don´t. If you do, how is it that you do this. Is there another holy book to interpret the bible?
polito621mr 1 year ago
D'souza rules!
Seigu007 1 year ago
Wow this took a lot of patience to listen to Dinesh continue rattling on his nonsense.
adknerr 1 year ago 3
lol
Denish is evolved into the way he looks and sound ...
good2freelance 1 year ago
the same thing goes for the universe causing itself...
the same things must be said for any religious idea...
magic is not a scientificaly valid excuse for anything...
we cant ever give up our curiosity because its hard to figure out!
thats for weaklings! like belivers!
sciense is a hard road to travel with lots of theory and hard to understand math but its the only road the gets us there in the end...
its whats given us microwave ovens, computers trains planes and binary wrist watches
ZerqTM 2 years ago
if you dont like it fuck off and become amish!
ZerqTM 2 years ago
@ZerqTM
Please, become literate before you propagate your garden variety atheism.
v01741r31 1 year ago
@ZerqTM youre the weakling and youre lazy- you have not because you ask not- inother words your too lazy and indulgent to seek God with all your heart youd find him
tonykeywest07 1 year ago
@tonykeywest07
Only the lazy make up stories instead of searching for the true version of history.
SlashFirestorm 1 year ago
11:18 there is nothing scientificaly wrong with saying something could have allways existed...
just because we are used to the idea of finite things does not mean they have to be.. thats wishfull thinking..
however if we propose that as a scientific theory we have to provide the evidence and the predictions to support it.
ZerqTM 2 years ago
Teaching evolution in an atheistic way???
Evolution says nothing about god or supreme beings. Its all about the creatures of this world and how they arise and speciate.
This Dinesh character is either a moron or a snake.
Redstick27 2 years ago
yes Dinesh, God didn't make man out of nothing. He made them out of dust. And women out of Adam's ribs.
Nades129 2 years ago
Nobody is teaching Evolution in an 'Atheistic way' - Science is taught in agnostic way, without promoting any religion or non religion. If all creationists stop interfering with the education processes, scientists would have no problem. D'Souza is the one implying that God exists and then whining when he is getting slapped in the face by the atheists.
dirtyhyde8 2 years ago
Intelligent viewpoint. I believe in ISlam though. ex-atheist, but naturally I understand Science as the way of understanding creation. And evolution as the mechanics by which new species arise --- in a supra-universal sense this corresponds to my view of the Will of God. Certainly, religious opposition to scientific discovery is superstition. However, none of the early arab scientists and evolutionary theorists (Al Jahiz, Ibn Miskywan) had a problem with evolution. Proper Islam doesn't either.
rlinfinity 2 years ago
What is proper Islam? is that the one where everything can be re-evaluated to fit scientific principles, the one which is only metaphorical (in terms of Adam and Eve and Garden of Eden)?I know a great deal of Muslims who would beg to differ. Many Muslims don't even believe in Evolution, they will check right answers in a classroom, but don't really believe that evolution.occurred.
dirtyhyde8 2 years ago
#1-Yes, many would. But the majority of people in the world do not have much knowledge of, nor care for science.
Like Al-Biruni and other philosophers, I agree with the viewpoint that the Quran is not subordinate to an everchanging science. Not many people outside the scientific process properly understand its greatest strengths and its limitations (in both the Scientific Method, and the peer-review process that promotes already established views over radical ones, regardless of the evidence).
rlinfinity 2 years ago
The problem with many Muslims of the world is that they place undue faith in the so-called Hadiths (stories of the prophet) . The real problem with Islam and science lies here and not in the quran
However, the Quran can in principle be reconciled with that ever-changing science (in contrast to the Bible), and if we really look at the core tenets of Islam as presented in teh Quran - 1. Faith should be based on reason, 2. Truth and God are one, 3. the Evidence lies in nature, etc.
rlinfinity 2 years ago
#3-what we see is that core spirit of science. In fact, the reason Muslim scientists invented the scientific method (all science before this point can thus be considered pre-scientific), is because of the spirit of the Quran. Empiricism is advocated in the Quran. Skepticism is advocated too, regardless of how contradictiory this sounds, because of the Quranic philosophy that faith without reason is either blind or under duress and therefore cannot truly be for the dedication to Truth -
rlinfinity 2 years ago
#4-...and in the quran. God and truth are one. He is the final ultimate truth.
The Quranic God is also a supra-universal one that exists beyond all planes of existence, and not the petty tribal man-god of the Bible -- the God who lives in heaven that is in the sky.
rlinfinity 2 years ago
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rlinfinity 2 years ago
you are very much correct
ygustavo 2 years ago
What, I wonder, is the muslim view on DNA? I would love to hear from any religious person on this subject.
SteveArpo 2 years ago
I am an ex-muslim and as far as I know Muslims believe that DNA is another "Wonder" of God's creation since its so 'complex'.
dirtyhyde8 2 years ago
@dirtyhyde8 me too ex muslim and muslims try to islamise everything
idriss0007 8 months ago
#1-Muslim scientists came up with correct theories of evolution about a 1000 years before Darwin. as any scholar of medieval history knows, many such discoveries predated science in Europe, and ISlamic philosophers are credited with the development of the cornerstone of modern science (Epistemology, Scientific Skepticism (Al Ghazali in particular) & The Scientific Method (Ibn Al-Haytham)) -- contemporary Islamic views reconciling science with Islam have declined into ignorance and barbarity...
rlinfinity 2 years ago
#2-And this lamentable trend is in most part to a senseless affirmation of literal creation among Muslims similar to the Old Testament view (regardless of the fact that literal creation is absent from the Quran)..
However, during the period immediately after Muhammad (roughly 7th century to 15th century), Islamic views and Arab science reached remarkable heights of "enlightenment" similar to currently held Western (or Global) scientific views.
rlinfinity 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAA
D
D'souza is very very DUMB.
Atheistic way????????
wow, just wow
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
ata boy!
gglorius 2 years ago
D'Souza starts right off with an erroneous statement! Darwin didn't "come up with the theory of evolution". This idea had been around for quite a while and numerous other scientists had tried to figure out how to explain the evolution they recognized in the fossils and animals around them. It was Darwin who gave us the Theory of Evolution through Natural Selection, the correct theory. Do D'Souza needs to get his fundamental facts straight!
thebackendofabus 2 years ago
if the universe created by god ? yes
who created god? forever
why not save a step and say tha universe is here from orever? UNHUN
MULTIVERSE THEORY will/ is be the last nail in the coffin of religon.
rikci1 2 years ago
How much you want to bet if the multiverse is proven, theists will come around claiming that it's just more proof of God's greatness, that he's created multiple universes instead of just one?
ThePsychoguy 2 years ago
of course, they are already doing it because some religious texts mention "other worlds", they key to prophecies is being vague.
dirtyhyde8 2 years ago
I'm god!!!!!!!!!!
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
D'Souza is the man! One of the sharpest and most sensible guys in the world!
ChiefClickClack 2 years ago
this guy actually makes some sense to me....
blacklight019 2 years ago
This is a key point. D'Souza cannot accept that the universe just came from nothing. But he has no problem accepting his god was always there or came from nothing. Since there is no reason at all to assume a god, then atheism is the default position. God is too vague of a term, if there is a creator of the universe, we have no knowledge of it at all, and the anthropomorphic god really does seem quite naive. Atheism is the default, it's what we have to work with right now.
hrmIwonder 2 years ago 3
Well said.
nattt23 2 years ago
D'souza starts off being fairly rational but the only people I've seen claim that evolution refutes the gods are creationists. Then he descends into nonsense about "design" in the universe and a really fallacious (as always) cosmological argument.
majorvoltage 2 years ago
why does this guy have a book published?
oligiscool1 2 years ago
CHEETAH'S CHASING RABBITS?? Says it all.
TightfittingUnderpan 2 years ago
I guess human will become vegetarian because its evil to feed on animals?
dirtyhyde8 2 years ago
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Where did the cells/proteins etc..initially come from? God is the Creator. Let all the people get saved in Jesus' Name. Amen!
RockedbytheRock 2 years ago
go shoot yourself, and join your moronic Jesus?
What? Too scared to join him? retard....
Salmo77 2 years ago
dinesh is a complete and utter spanner..
nickyact1 2 years ago
Evolution makes god concepts unnecessary and foolish.
grubelsucht 2 years ago 2
If God doesn't need a beginning, why then does the universe? Perhaps it simply expands and contracts. As it gets to the end of expansion, it contracts until it cannot contract any further and explodes into another era of expansion.
If creationists can use that argument, so can others.
Onodera1980 2 years ago 4
Also, what is an atheistic theory? Atheism has no dogma; it's not a relgion; another FAIL by the creationist...
Onodera1980 2 years ago 2
You CAN teach a cheetah not to chase a rabbit... The survey says: FAIL
Onodera1980 2 years ago
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Notice that Richard Dawkins never answered how nothing made everything, but rather just complained about God.
Repenttrust 2 years ago
Notice how Evolution isn't Abiogenesis.
Darahcos 2 years ago 12
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Who said it was? please see Creation (dot) com
Repenttrust 2 years ago
please note how retarded you are.
Salmo77 2 years ago 3
okay well, if the universe needed a creator, a designer, then who created "God"? It would be also preposterous to say God always existed.
JoseEatsAirplane 2 years ago 17
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God exists outside of time and space, and if He is the Creator of time and space, He obviously was not created!
KiwiRulez 2 years ago
How convenient for you ;-) The problem is that you have not explained ANYTHING by addressing a god. God is just an other way of saying "I don't know".
Another problem is that if one can imagine a timeless eterenal god without a creator... then one can as easily imagine for example an eternal cycle of universes being born and extending into nothingness... Thereby time is only a property of our universe...In other universe the concept of time might be very different or perhaps nonexisting.
buugiman78 2 years ago 4
hmm god existing outside space and time.. thats just another way of saying he/she/it does not exist...
JoseEatsAirplane 2 years ago 2
Glad you used the word "if", there, kiwibrain.
If god exists, may he kill me now.
AernoutMJC 2 years ago
God exists, denying this won't change the obvious.
Metsada007 2 years ago
@JoseEatsAirplane WHY is is preposterous dimwit
tonykeywest07 1 year ago
@JoseEatsAirplane /watch?v=2rSJ1qpQ0Kk :)
firoz85 1 year ago
@JoseEatsAirplane
No, no it wouldn't.
trenton9 2 months ago
Once again Dinesh speaks with a fork tongue, he probably make a good snake oil peddler in the street of Mumbai, let alone debate the likes of Chris Hitchens.
0orangepeel0 2 years ago 5
I wonder how widely this show was broadcast in the islamic world. I suspect it was mostly censored.
grubelsucht 2 years ago 4
ironic considering it's a Arabic program. Also ironic that you just had to bring up Islam when this program has nothing to do with it. Why?
mmoraln10ion 2 years ago
Islam follows the creationist line. Arabs are 90 percent muslim. Islamic countries exercise strong religious censorship. For example, in a recent year only 65 nonreligious books were published (permitted to be published) in the whole Arabic world (and those mostly cookbooks, travelogues, etc). It is a simple deduction that censorhip was at work. Much of Youtube and the web is censored in Islamic countries. It is a simple conclusion, isn't it?
grubelsucht 2 years ago
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309095503 2 years ago
Dinesh is certainty the heaviest hitting Theist- I saw him basiclaly draw with hitchens!!!
kksf1979 2 years ago
Dinesh is a potentially brilliant man who willingly compromises his intellectually capacities.
lilliansmart 2 years ago
ID is nothing more then intellectual laziness, the actual research being done in evolutionary biology is vary fascinating. a lot of the current medicines being produced and even current technology is largely being driven by the concepts behind evolution. Please don't take my word for it, actualy look into it and see for yourself.
magnito6696 2 years ago
Laziness quite possibly, but i'd call it intellectual manipulation because it makes lazy work look valid! ID is the worst idea I think man has ever had!
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
well although I don't agree with all of what D'souza says, thats the first time I've seen him speak without him making me anoyed.
theREALshafan 2 years ago
God Created the Primordial Sludge we pulled ourself out of it and started to Evolve with some help from God ID Intelligent Design ..Everyones a winner Job Done ...We can all go home now and try not to Blow eachother up 8 /
2QBUFF 3 years ago
there no need to fight or blow each other up but we can discuss in a civilised manner who is right please watch my video - Fibonacci's Number Prove God
wallidjan 3 years ago
the white dude at the end is a bit doppy to be honest he believe it because he was taught that in skool, so if her was taught to put his hands in fire he would do that too. And dinasours not mentioned in the bible in JOb he talked about a beast which obviously does not exist today but it ate grass and was the size of huge dinasaur lol. so he is pretty stupid. not all atheist but him. the other to justified what they stood for he couldnt
sguardian870 3 years ago
Evolutionists claim we evolved from the simplest form of bacterial life to ever more complex forms of life. The most basic bacteria had less than 500 genes; man has over 22 thousand. In order for bacteria to evolve into man, organisms would have to be able to add genes. But there is no genetic mechanism that adds a gene. (Mutations change an existing gene but never add a gene.) This means there is no mechanism for Darwinian Evolution and this is a fatal flaw in the Theory of Evolution.
wallidjan 3 years ago
you should take a microbiology class before you actually spill stupid nonsense online. Bacteria can add new genes its called "transformation". Bacteria can take up naked DNA from other bacteria. This causes the recipient bacteria to encode for a NEW gene for a different protein or function, thus overtime can cause more genes to be introduced over and over. They can also use their pilus to transfer plasmids to one another.
binlyx 3 years ago
There is no DNA research pointing to a connection between apes and humans as was supposed by the scientists and those who had financed them over the years. In fact, the barnyard pig is closer to humans in many aspects, than a monkey or a gorilla. Consider the fact, doctors use the skin from pigs to replace needed tissue on burn victims and the famous movie actor, John Wayne had a pig's heart valve installed in his own heart in a 1977 operation to save his life. It worked, too
wallidjan 3 years ago
Are you serious? you should read some scientific journals. There are greater than 95% similarities between human and chimp DNA. The reason why pigs are used for heart valve transplants is because their HLA molecules are easilier to eliminate than chimp organs. Also because certain diseases are more susceptible to be transfer from chimp to human.
binlyx 3 years ago 2
Humans have 46 chromosomes. This chromosome count is a steady factor. This determines what is called the "fixity of species" because the chromosome count doesn't vary. People always give birth to people. Dogs always give birth to dogs, etc. The genes can produce variety within the species, but cannot result in a different species.
wallidjan 3 years ago
Genes allow for people to be short, tall, fat, thin, blond, brunette, etc., but they are still all human beings. The chromosomes make crossing of the species an un-crossable barrier. This certainly would hinder any evolution. Dogs cannot breed with cats. This fact stops evolution dead in its tracks.
wallidjan 3 years ago
woah! miles out there fella! Evolution does not depend on cross species reproduction. It depends on different characteristics being slowly distilled over time from a common ancestor into different species. Over time these become more specialist in their particular niche until they become a seperate species.
andywaggott 3 years ago
Darwin admitted that fossils of the transitional links between species would have tobe found in order to prove hisTheory of Evolution.We only find individual species.Evolutionists try to form these individual species into a link according to similar major features, such as wings or four legs,but this simply proves the Theory of Evolution to be a fraud.Darwin was hopeful that future fossils would prove his theory correct,but instead,the lack of transitional links has proven his theory to be wrong
wallidjan 3 years ago
To be honest, I'm not even sure where to start. It's barely even a debate as to whether evolution exists... in the developed world. Can you perhaps explain why there are these fossils at all it evolution never happend? There are transitionary species throughout the fossil evidence - you need look only at our own human ancestory in fossils. Spend some time reading a real scientific text book, you don't even need to read the origin of the species! just primary school biology should do it.
andywaggott 3 years ago
The presence of individual species actually proves they were not developed by an evolutionary process. If evolution were true, all plants, animals and insects would be in a continual state of change. No two creatures would be identical because they would not be separate species. All life forms would be a continual blend of characteristics, without a clear definition among the species. Everything would be changing and every animal, insect and plant would be different.
wallidjan 3 years ago
ok, then tell me why fossils exist?
andywaggott 3 years ago
Charles Darwin had concern about his theory of natural selection. He knew that a failure to find the missing transitional links would seriously cripple his theory of evolution, but he was hopeful the missing links would be found some day. Well, guess what. He died not finding them. Evolutionists have never found the missing links.
wallidjan 3 years ago
I'm afraid that that's simply not true, huge numbers of fossils of transitional forms exist. Even the supposed "problematic" changes like whales (as continually quoted by creationists) have begun to appear in the last few years. Six transitional fossils between whales and land mammals now exist. Darwin may not have had all the facts at his disposal at the time, but we do now and almost everything that he predicted is absolutely true. That is, if you're interested in looking at facts and science.
andywaggott 3 years ago
I'm afraid that is not ture please do your own research stop using the word science as science state that you are created from a sperm drop. If you want to see the proof that fossils disprove evolution watch - FOSSILS HAVE DISCREDITED EVOLUTION (part1)
wallidjan 3 years ago
you didn't tell me why fossils exist? please reply on this point... I don't think i am created from a sperm drop, a disney movie i saw said it was a stork that carried me to my mother's arms. fossils don't disprove darwin, they back him up, they just don't tell the whole story because every fossil hasn't yet been found. What makes you think that evolution isn't true? bible, kuran, you must be religious...? I'm not being sarcstic, i genuinely want to know.
andywaggott 2 years ago
Fossils are the preserved remains or traces of animals, plants, and other organisms from the remote past. The totality of fossils, both discovered and undiscovered, and their placement in fossiliferous rock formations and sedimentary layers (strata) is known as the fossil record. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
wallidjan 2 years ago
Well done and precisely right, most fossils come from a period of over 1 million years ago (disputed by god squaders). Why on earth would an intelligent designer design organisms which become extinct? Not all that intelligent to create 99% of all creatures and plants to die off before our appearance on the planet. It doesn't follow, you know it but you continue to kid yoursef. there is not one shred of evidence to support ID.
andywaggott 2 years ago 2
you don't have clue about your creator so use the brain your creator given to get to the truth - watch Fibonacci's number proves God wallidjan videos
wallidjan 2 years ago
Look this is getting a bit silly now, I've just wasted eight minutes of my life watching that toss. This is really clutching at straws for proof of god! it's not exactly water to wine (substitute qu'ran story here). You're educated, you've sat in biology classes at school. What exactly did you think was going on?! Put down your antiquated storybook and read a text book. 21st centruy, western world here mate, wakey wakey.
andywaggott 2 years ago
"What is the matter with you, that you are not conscious of Allah's majesty, seeing that it is He Who has created you in diverse stages? See you not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another, and made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (glorious) lamp? And Allah has produced you from the earth, growing (gradually)" (71:13-17).
wallidjan 2 years ago
Can we stop with the mumbo jumbo and grow up? We're not all living in mud huts anymore, we don't still think the earth is flat, we've discovered that the earth isn't the centre of the solar system etc. It's just wierd.
andywaggott 2 years ago
The Quran has set a precedent 14 centuries before modern science, explaining in simple and direct terms about his "creation" of animals and their various functions and then assures us it is He who has the Power over everything. This statement includes the fact Allah can if He Wills, reshape and alter his creation as He Chooses. There is clear evidence within many species of alteration and changes within the species.
wallidjan 2 years ago
However, there is no concrete evidence to support a cross over in development from one type to another, such as reptiles turning into birds or alligators turning into cows. The statements made in Quran are quite clear when Allah tells us of having brought forth other life forms and then destroying or replacing them with others. This again, does not imply evolution in the sense of one type becoming or changing into another.
wallidjan 2 years ago
There is an awful lot of evidence to show evolution both in the fossil record and in continous observations. Allah tells us in a fairly sketchy account written 1400 years ago. you can't relate the quran to science, it doesn't work. the belief has to be kept seperate, as it is in law.
andywaggott 2 years ago
Darwin were aware of this problem with the fossil record some 150 years ago, but they believed that the fossil record had been insufficiently sampled up to that time. Their belief was that paleontological research in the future would more adequately sample the fossil record and show it to be more in line with evolutionary theory. They were wrong! Exactly the opposite happened. After a century and half of excavating fossils from the strata we have found the problem to be worsenot better
wallidjan 2 years ago
No there are thousands of fossils which show transitional forms. This is silly, we'e already been over this ground, you aren't interested in listening to sense, just reading your fairytales.
andywaggott 2 years ago
Ha ha, I've just been on your page thingy and you're english! you've made it mate, no need to keep pretending any more! Just chill out, have a beer and a bacon sandwich - you're in the western world! life's easy, we don't need imaginary friends to get ourseles through the daily toil anymore!
andywaggott 2 years ago
For the Muslim there is no need for separation between religion and science. It is understood from the Quran, revealed over 1,400 years ago, that there is both; "Creation" and "Evolution." And in both instances, it is only Allah who is "Able to do all things." In fact, it was the Muslim scientists, more than 1,000 years ago, who set the stage for the advancement of learning, technology and disciplines in science that we know today
wallidjan 2 years ago
Muslim science did indeed do a lot to influence modern science in the way you say. however, i don't think those scholars would have advocated sitting on their laurels from that point onward! so are you telling me that muslims now have no more to contribute to science after they were commited to writing 1400 years ago within a fairytale!? I know a lot of muslims who would strongly disagree with you there! in fact, every muslim that i know!
andywaggott 2 years ago
All of this knowledge transferred from the Muslims to the Europeans was the vital raw material for the Scientific Revolution. Muslims not only passed on Greek classical works but also introduced new scientific theories, without which the European Renaissance could not have occurred. Thus even though many of the Islamic contributions go unacknowledged, they played an integral role in the European transformation.
wallidjan 2 years ago
I've already told you that I agree with you on this point, however I don't agree that now that that's all said and done and the limited scientific achievements of the day have been note in the quran that no future learning should be added to our intellectual repertoire.
andywaggott 2 years ago
People who believe in evolution have been brainwashed. Their main problem is not the arguments for and against evolution and creation. Their problem is they can't bring yourself to reject evolution, because they have already rejected God. Humans have a big mental fault. They are not able to admit they were wrong. Therefore, they are trapped in their previous decision of rejecting God.
wallidjan 2 years ago
No, a lot of poeple who believe in God also accept evolution, in fact I would say the vast majority of people. It is a small, but vocal minority that constantly bang their drum about this evolution "fraud" which simply does not exist. What has "brainwashed" us exactly? I dare say I could point out a few more examples of the quran or clerics having brainwashed people to sad ends, than any of darwin's works!
andywaggott 2 years ago
The Quran was revealed to Muhammad by the angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) from 610 CE to his death in 632 CE. The Quran was written down by Muhammad's companions while he was alive, although the prime method of transmission was oral.
Make your mind up now as death will reveal truth!!
wallidjan 2 years ago
I was dead for millions of years before my birth and it never inconvenienced me in the slightest! I know an angel called djibril too, but he's a footballer. If you had been born in thailand to a bhuddist family or in fiji or in chile do you think you'd still believe all this. it seems rather subjective to me.
andywaggott 2 years ago
Each person is born in a circumstance which is not of his own choosing. The religion of his family or the ideology of the state is thrust upon him from the very beginning of his existence in this world. By the time he reaches his teens, he is usually fully brain-washed into believing that the beliefs of his particular society are the correct beliefs that everyone should have. However, when some people are exposed to other belief-systems, they begin to question the validity of their own beliefs
wallidjan 2 years ago
God gave us all minds and intellects to enable us to make this crucial decision. It is the most important decision in the life of a human being. Upon it depends his future. Consequently, each and every one of us must examine dispassionately the evidence presented and choose what appears to be right until further evidence arises. There are several arguments which may be advanced to support Islam's claim to be the true religion of God.
wallidjan 2 years ago
To me no explanation is possible, to you, no explanation is necessary. you're not dispassionately looking at anything! you read and hear what you want to believe because it would open a few holes in your favourite text if you accepted evolution! It is impossible for you to look proportionally at something, that much you've made clear.
andywaggott 2 years ago
learnt about the Fibonacci numbers and the golden mean at collage when I was studying architecture, apparently the nature has the best balance design compare to what we human beings make eg buildings, cars, etc. Any thing that will work needs to be designed well as for nature it was designed and made by God look for signs its all around you, a sign is that God created you from a sperm drop you have 2 eyes, 2 lips, 2 hands and 2 legs a symmetry design
wallidjan 2 years ago
"god" created frogs and elephants and chimps a bit like that too din't he. one hell of a coincidence! we're not all primitive savages looking for meaning in things that we don't understand anymore, we've found many answers. no need to refer back to these ancient fairy tales anymore!
andywaggott 2 years ago
Everything around us is proving the existence of God, can any body imagine a building without constructor? Or a cake without a baker? A car without manufacturer? how then to accept the existence of the universe without a maker? simple logic and wisdom.
wallidjan 2 years ago
Haha, got me there! I give up, there is a God or Allah or a Vishnu, a buddha yadda yadda yadda. Jesus came back from the dead, walked on water, Mohammed chatted with angels, Thor creates thunder with a hammer and a monkey god invaded Sri Lanka. All perfectly feasible. I don't know why we've been arguing. I'm off to go and bake a cake, peace be upon me.
andywaggott 2 years ago
If there were many gods then one god would decide to create human beings the other might want to created aliens and other one might want to kill everything so there wouldnt be a balance and stable universe like it is now.
THERE IS ONLY ONE CREATOR that is ALLAH Lord of the Heavens and Earth
wallidjan 2 years ago
boring
andywaggott 2 years ago
there is one truth and that is believe in a God as the creator of the heavens and the earth and submission to the will of God (Islam) is the only truth, so believe what you want its between you and your creator not me I am JUST REMINDING YOU.
wallidjan 2 years ago
You remind away mate, I think I'll ignore you regardless. Allow me to remind you that if all science is to believed the you get one shot at this short life, don't waste it wondering about whether you're upsetting someone that doesn't exist. Get pissed, have fun and screw because i'm afraid when it's all said and done you'll be worm food like the rest of us.
andywaggott 2 years ago
I know science is right not theories and I am not wasting my life I am enjoying my life in a right way mate. If your right I have nothing to loss except some alcoholic drinks etc but if I am right you are so dead!!!
wallidjan 2 years ago
What do you mean science is right, not theories? Science is completely made up of theories - that's the whole point. If you're right then I'm not dead, i'm eternally alive being whipped or something similar, or I'll be reincarnated as a cockroach? I forget which religion is which, they're all pretty much as ridiculous as one another! I think i'll take my chances and enjoy life, not waste my time praying and oppressing women.
andywaggott 2 years ago
Einstein has shown that time is the fourth dimension contiguous with space. In other words, we live in a world that is a space-time continuum.
The point is that Allah does not exist in the world unlike material objects or physical beings. Allah's existence transcends the world of space and time, as it is He Who has created not only all the objects and beings of the world, but also all the laws of space and time governing material and temporal existence.
wallidjan 2 years ago
@wallidjan How ?
SqueakerAlpha 1 year ago
I'm tired of hearing Pascal's Wager over and over again!!!
I can't be bothered to reply for the thousandth time to Pascal's Wager - why don't you Google it.
LeftAtheist 2 years ago
But God is forgiving so he would not mind I did not believe in him.
kksf1979 2 years ago
Allah says in His Quran that He did not create all of this for any foolish purpose. He tells us that He created us for the purpose of worshiping Him, Alone and without any partners.There is not complusion in the way of "Islam." Whoever choses to worship Allah without partners will be admitted to paradise. Whoever denies God and choses some other way to worship or not to believe at all, for them there is an eternal punishment that is most horrible (Hell)
wallidjan 2 years ago
Why does Allah need to be worshipped? Is he really vain?
kksf1979 2 years ago
Allah is free of needs, He does need you to worship Him, it does not increase or decrease His power if you worship Him or not but its best for your to thank your creator by worshiping Him, as worship purify your and increase you spirituality
Allah is the creator and the Sustainer of the heaven and earth, it Allah that created you in your mothers womb and your death is the return to your Him
wallidjan 2 years ago
If he crafted me and the other 6-7 billion people on earth I do not think that he needs to be worshiped by me, it was be pointless, he would not appreciate it. Ill jusy say thanks on my return because God is free of needs so ill objectively live my life morally concording to societies ideas of what is moral without him because Allah he requires nothing of me personally. If he created me and is free o needs then it seem that he woulded me to xperience life before i am returned
kksf1979 2 years ago
i gotta link on my channal scientificly refuting
darwinism.
sepasgozaram 2 years ago
THE ABILITY TO SEE THE SIGNS OF GOD
Say: "Praise be to God. He will show you His Signs and you will recognize them. Your Lord is not heedless of anything you do." (Surat an-Naml: 93)
Man must think on how he came into being, what is the purpose of his life, why he will die and what awaits him after death. He must question how he himself and the whole universe came into existence and how they continue to exist. While doing this, he must relieve himself of all constraints and prejudices.
wallidjan 2 years ago
@wallidjan
So then why the does he force you to pray 5 times a day?
Redstick27 2 years ago
@wallidjan cno ompulsion , but worship me or I will torture you for eternity ? Certainly no compulsion there 8(
SqueakerAlpha 1 year ago
proof please! The Qu'ran is obviously a plagarised old/new testiment which in turn is written by men! Please please give me evidence that Koran was written by God!
kksf1979 2 years ago
By the way, not being able to correct false thinking is another blow against evolution. The theory of natural selection should conclude that humans should be able to easily correct false thinking, because it is the most beneficial approach, but they can't. People who have already rejected God cannot reprogram themselves. They are hopelessly lost forever --- doomed with a programmed brain that cannot be formatted like a computer hard drive and reprogrammed again.
wallidjan 2 years ago
This again sounds like recycled rhetoric. Perhaps the mental reprogramming needs to be done to those who believe in a 1400/ 2000 year old text? Just a thought. You're british, you don't even live in a part of the world for which this was intended, let alone the period of history! it is meaningless, utterly meaningless. All religious texts are spiteful, hateful, archaic, racist, fundamentalist, self richeous barriers to scientific knowledge.
andywaggott 2 years ago
For the Muslim there is no need for separation between religion and science.
Do we agree that this is a creation? Or do we accept that nothing came out of nothing to form this entire universe?
This is a very clear message from Allah, in the Quran. Something does not come out of nothing. So, there must be something in existence already which created all that we know to exist. And That creator needs to be called upon.
As Allah has said in His Book: "I only created you all to worship Me Alone."
wallidjan 2 years ago
so do you really think of allah and mohamed etc as being real and the things that are to be written in the quran to literal and true? or do you think its just a good set of morals by which to live one's life? rather egotistic of him that passage! It's not "for the muslim", it's for the muslim who is extremely devout.
Well then allah must have come from somewhere too? out of nothing? It explains nothing at all.
andywaggott 2 years ago
ASH HADU AN LAH ELLA ILAL ALLAH WA SHAHADU AN MOHAMMADAN RASUALLAH = I TESTIFY THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND THAT MOHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER. I would not swap my faith with all of Queen Elizabeths wealth as remembering my creator (Allah) brings peace and harmony to my life.
wallidjan 2 years ago
The following are only three of the most obvious.The first argument is based on the Divine origin of the names of the religion and the comprehensiveness of its meaning.The second deals with the unique and uncomplicated teachings concerning the relationship between God, man, and creation.The third argument derives from the fact that Islam is universally attainable by all men at all times.These are the three basic componentsandreason dictate for a religion to be considered the true religion of God
wallidjan 2 years ago
the name Islam (submission to God), is Islam's fundamental acknowledgement of the uniqueness of God and Islam's accessibility to all mankind at all times convincingly support Islam's claim that from the beginning of time in whatever language it was expressed, Islam alone has been and will be the true religion of God.
wallidjan 2 years ago
Dinesh De Sousa is an example of cherry Picking at its best. :) very scientific... lol
kennydaluz 3 years ago
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Imat00l 3 years ago
WTF does "Naturalistic" mean!?!?
what about sickle-cell anemia, bacterial resistance to antibiotics, convergent evolution, dinosaur fossils, neanderthals and other hominid fossils, extinction...the list can go on for a while...
Also what about chemistry, biology and physics XDD no its all "Naturalistic" (WTF??)
When you combine the observations and know the sciences involved its OBVIOUS
Unscientific, uneducated , clowns should not talk LOL
Way to preach silly spiritualism to debate Darwin!
micahgee 3 years ago
Oh, and did he say that evolution doesn't explain the origin of life?! LOL! Of course it doesn't! Abiogenesis does! It's like saying The Big Bang doesn't explain what exploded, when all that theory is meant for is what happened when that 'thing' exploded.
harshm2u 3 years ago
D'Souza accepts evolution as a scientific "IDEA!?!" Give me a break!
harshm2u 3 years ago
yea just look at bacterial resistance to antibiotics...
God is changing the bacteria....riiiiiiight....
Evolution matters because it affects our lives!!!
Too bad its misunderstood and seen as a logical, linear and step-by-step progression from bacteria to humans.
The guy on first is such an idiot, WTF, you can't define morality, plus he puts such a straw man argument about "origins of the universe",
Evolution is so powerful, complex and misunderstood.
micahgee 3 years ago
evolution doesnt go far d'souza??
what an ignorant religious nutjob. the theory of evolution is one of the greatest accomplishments of the human mind in history, and explains all life on earth.
eddieindahouse 3 years ago
That last guy had a GREAT POINT..There is no mention of DHINOSAURS IN THE BIBLE..If as the creationist / ID People say the earth is only 6000 years old then there should be something about DHINOSAURS IN THE BIBLE ???? Where is the T REX in the bible ???? AHH THAT'S RIGHT The bible is FICTION !!!!!
vince38curious2 3 years ago
Morality to some degree exists in all social animals.
soulinite 3 years ago
Science makes no comment on the supernatural silly. You are violating the philosophy of science.
soulinite 3 years ago
Dinesh says "naturalistic explanations" shouldn't be the only explanations? If explanations can be supernatural, any five year old can invent a story for dark matter (the Blue Fairy turns her flash light off to confuse us) or other things needing explaining and these supernatural explanations would have validity, despite the impossibility of testing them.
Francise05 3 years ago 2
You are going to hell in a hand basket, read the dead sea scrolls. If there is no God, What are we doing here? God did create all. You have to have morals and get to know God, he is waiting for you to come to him. Darwin can not even explain how we first got here, wonder where he is now?( in hell). God is in all control. Cause and effect is good to go on, but it is all Glory to God, he like to work miracles.
KaraStyler 3 years ago
On the big points, I disagree with Dinesh D'Souza--I am on the "other" side. But Dinesh is informed and well-spoken. Where I labor to listen to many other believers for more than a few moments, Dinesh usually holds my attention longer/est. To the card-carrying atheists out there who are tired of so much blather, give this guy some time. He is sharp; never (NEVER!) off his guard; studied-to-the-nines...a gracious, civil, all-around good guy. His conversion would be a grand prize.
8saturn9 3 years ago
As long as we aren't pushing creationism into schools, it's good enough for me. D'Souza isn't lying.
vwr0527 3 years ago
But I'm betting that abiogensis will become a full fledged theory soon.
vwr0527 3 years ago