The Ultimate Hunter Edition is a joke. I do not own it, and I will never own it, I have however seen plenty and plenty of screens and discussions about it, it fucking looks like a cartoon! Waxy as hell, just horrible. Zaranyzerak, do you have any opinion on the original blu-ray relase of Predator in terms of picture quality? not extras or lack there of, but actual picture quality? It keeps all of the grain in tact for one, which is something this ultimate hunter edition doesn't do.
Anyone who has the old predator blu ray that after watching this STILL wants to get the Ultimate edition, here's how you can have it for free: Go into your video settings, find Noise Reduction. Turn it up all the way. jack up the color saturation a few notches, as well. Shazaam, you've got it..
dam it already goten it thanks to my pc i wasnt able to see this vid but i did get it at a low price, its a dnr mine field out there and i steped on one and lost a toe.
As for how the ninja turtles cross over dvd special was done with the 80's 2000's and comic turtles. Fuck you dvd prducers give us the dam thing unabriged.
yet they can remake a movie from the 1960's about a killer flesh eating plant in the 1980s. But they can't tranfer predator onto blue ray. for the love of Audrey JR. Some on e fire these people.
@Zaranyzerak Proably but not if you state that your not the owner of the material your about too show & besides its nice too see somebody with the ball too stand up and point out how they take our money produce crap dvds with crap extras and expect us too sit there and take it keep it up!
i bought the ultimate hunter edition on blu-ray when it first came out, yes in the beginning the people do look like wax figures, but throughout the film there's a just a few scenes here and there which you ca tell that yes it was DNRed, but its not as bad as you think, the picture is Nice and the sound is amazing, talking about alien, i heard James Cameron had Aliens DNR as well to the same point as predator 100% film grain removed, yes i agree DNRing is not the answer
@MrFilmgamer Aliens had some processing done, but no it is nowhere near to the extent it was done with Predator. They used post-processing techniques properly, to bring out the best in the film image, not to scrub out all the detail like Predator. I won't encourage the studios to keep butchering films like this by purchasing faulty editions like that and giving them my money, I'll gladly hang on to my DVD until Predator gets a proper release.
@Zaranyzerak That is the same way I'll feel about Star Wars for different reasons. I'm done giving George Lucas any of my money so he can release butchered with versions of three awesome films. I'm hanging on to my 4:3 letterbox DVDs of the theatrical versions until they properly come out on Blu-Ray.
@MrFilmgamer Aliens looks great, I actually watched it last night. Skin textures and such were all there, no wax figures. The biggest complaint I've heard is speculation that Cameron altered the color timing, because if you look a past releases it does have a fairly different color scheme in places. Maybe all the past video releases had just been wrong though..idk
The video transfer on the PREDATOR Ultimate Hunter Edition Blu-ray looks fantastic! It's amazing how this elitist DNR IS BAD trend has continued, promoted by you and a small minority of so called videophiles who actually think they know what there talking about.
@Crow12345671 Learn what film actually looks like before shooting your mouth off about something you clearly know nothing about and attempting to insult those that do. The Predator transfer is shit. It was universally condemned by every review site out there as hands down one of the worst transfers ever to appears on the format. Don't believe me. Research it for yourself. Find ONE reputable review that actually praises that god awful transfer. I'll save you the trouble - one doesn't exist.
@Zaranyzerak i can understand the angry most fans have concerning video quality on blu rays but for me as long as i can see and hear the movie and a few special features im cool with it but anyways anybody can have their own opinion.
Zaranyzerak, I completely agree with you. I own the 2 Disc Collector's Edition, and I will keep that until FOX gets their shit together. Predator fans UNITE! :)
Did you see Paramount's filthy, DNR'd to Hell 'Gladiator' transfer? That was equally ridiculous. At least they put out a new - AMAZING - remaster. How I wish FOX would do the same for Predator.
Glad that i watched this video, and for your answer yesterday, about this edition. So, the actors looks like wax figures and the picture looks like a pixar movie, then my question is, will we ever get the chance to be satisfied and happy with a right transfer of this film, guess not. If there`s already two versions out there on blu-ray, and both of them are terrible, then im starting to lose some hope here. As a movie fan, i care for films, and it`s seems like you do to, so this bothers me.
HAHAHAHAHA... You fuckin crack me up man! Great review and thanks for the recommendation to NOT. BUT, I do love my Sci-Fi like you so ill netflix it and watch it to say to myself i have seen it and didnt like it.
The scene where you notice DNR the most is at the start of the film!! when Arnold goes to see the general! I would say thats the worst scene, they really do look plastic-like :)
@shakermakerman Well, you're in the minority then. Every other review out there agrees that the transfer was total crap. So bad, in fact, that it is widely considered to be one of the worst transfers in the history of the format. It's not how the movies looks, and not how it should look. You might want to get some information about what film is supposed to look like, because this ain't it.
@shakermakerman As discussed previously, I have seen enough to know I don't need to see more. I don't do ANY video unless I am properly informed on the subject matter. Making a lame attempt to discredit me simply because my viewpoint does not equal yours is pointless and silly.
@Zaranyzerak why dont you record it yourself from VHS to Blu-ray, that way see you can see all the silly mistake's in the movie Like Dillons arm and Blains chest pluss all the crappy grain.
@shakermakerman That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Artifacting due to lower resolution is not even remotely the same thing as film grain. You cannot see film grain on VHS or DVD, neither has the resolution to reproduce it. Again, learn what film grain actually IS and what film is supposed to look like. This string of comments is only making you look more foolish with each response.
you might already seen it, but im telling you that the screenshot of all 4 alien movie is out, and aliens look so FUCKING good, i think you'll be very happy to hear that along with the resolution of your recent ordeal. so congratulations !!!!
I thought the "Predator: Ultimate Edition" looked great! One of the best Blu Rays I've seen, in fact; the picture just popped! Have you seen it, by the way, or just parroting the opinion of others?
I hate grain. Human eyes don't see grain in real life, it's just an artifact of crappy film. The DNR fixed the problem and made the movie look almost as good as movies like "Dark Knight"!
Frankly, I hope the Alien anthology (and every other old movie) uses the process if it makes films look so good!
@boulderbum7 Yes, I've seen more than enough of it to know that it looks like complete and utter shit. Don't make lame attempts to discredit me, it won't work.
Film is not SUPPOSED to be "how the human eye" sees things. Film is composed of grain. It is not an "artifact." Any Blu-ray transferred FROM film should have visible grain. The process used for this edition is an abomination and no one should be wasting their money on crap like this. Fortunately, releases like this are in the minority.
@Zaranyzerak Your answer makes it sound like you haven't watched the whole movie. Are you basing your opinion on some screenshots from people who rant about DNR?
The fact is that when you see the movie in motion, it looks gorgeous. Long live DNR!
Also, film IS supposed to reflect what we see. It was invented to capture a realistic moving image. You can add lighting & effects to make the image more interesting, but grain doesn't: it's just an artifact of older film technology.
@boulderbum7 Again, spare me the lame attempts to discredit me. I already answered your accusation. No, film is NOT supposed to represent what we see. That would be the evening news. Film is an INTERPRETATION of what we see, filtered through the artistic vision of the director and cinematographer. If grain is such an undesirable "artifact," then why do so many filmmakers ADD grain in post production to give it a more "film-like" look? Your view of grain is is based on a fallacy.
@Zaranyzerak Actually, you didn't answer my question directly. Have you watched the whole "Ultimate Hunter" Blu Ray?
"why do so many filmmakers ADD grain in post production"
The same reason some filmmakers still shoot in black and white: nostalgia. Actually, your argument is a lot like the people who used to whine about silent movies gaining sound or black and white movies moving to color.
Technology helps us create a crisper, more interesting image. See "Avatar" Blu Ray which is champ!
@boulderbum7 Yes I did, and no I haven't. Why the fuck would I willingly sit through an entire Blu-ray with a transfer that makes me want to put my fist through the screen? I don't need to see the whole fucking thing to see that it is a horrible transfer. Avatar was shot digitally, so of course it looks crisp and clean. Not everything is supposed to look like Avatar. Get some education about film grain and HD. I pointed you to some reputable sources in my previous comment. I can't help you.
@boulderbum7 No, my argument is perfectly sound and rational. I want the original experience of the film to be accurately preserved. If it's black and white, don't colorize it. If it's mono sound, leave it mono. If it's grainy film, leave it grainy. If it's full frame or widescreen, use the correct aspect ratio. You want everything to look like a Pixar movie. Well news flash - everything DOESN'T look like that and SHOULDN'T look like that. Every film is different. YOUR argument makes no sense.
@boulderbum7 this blu ray looked terrible and i have it, i immediately returned it the following day. the dnr totally wiped out the detail. you obviously have not seen a grain fix done right. go see the screenshots of aliens of the anthology, the extra grains has been taken out while there is still little left to perserve the film look, and he enhanced details we've never seen before, have the screen shots side by side and you'll see the truth. predator dnr edition is eye candy for the blind.
im a huge movie buff and very serious about my passion for film, having this addition of predator didnt bother me... because even though it loses detail. the picture was fresh bright and full of colour. now i know what your saying... the fucking film wasnt meant to look like that and i know...all you have to do is go buy the previous edition or keep hold of your dvd copy... there are many versions of the film so go and buy the one that suits you more personally. i have all of them.lol. big fan.
@NorvenLeverone Ok, but we have to consider that the two versions might be on a branched disc. I really dont believe they will record the entire versions twice, wich would take two times as much disc space.
@TheJab1023 I'm not bothering with either of them at this point, just hanging on to my 2-disc DVD edition for now. The first one is loaded with digital artifacting and has zero extras, the new one is a DNR mess. They're both crap.
I think I'll go with you on this since you seem like a fellow movie guy. I also have the 2 disc SE DVD. I don't want to waste money on something that will annoy me.
With the "Alien" movies I hope they release them individually on blu-ray sometime as well (if it's not fucked up.) I only like the first two "Alien" movies personally. We'll see how it works out.
Hey, do you think they will ever release a 3rd Blu-ray version of Predator? I believe the Ultimate Hunter Edition was an improvement over the 1st release, but like you say, they have cleaned it up too much.
Such a shame that a classic like Predator can't have some time and effort put into the transfer. I've owned 4 versions of the film now, and Im still eagerly waiting for that "perfect" transfer.
I read somewhere that James Cameron approved of the HD transfer for Aliens, and that is the most troublesome film for quality, given the film stock they filmed it in. And given its done by the same guy as the Blade Runner set, I'm sure they're not going to screw around with the DNR button.
Note that they're doing an exchange program for the Gladiator Blu-ray, another victim of DNR'ing. Guess we're being heard after all.
Do you think that IF The Predator movie did NOT have Schwarzenegger in it, would it be as big and famous as it is today. Like some other actor played his role. Would it be a big hype today. Because EVERYBODY I know has seen Predator its a cult classic or phoenonminion. Only because Schwarzenegger is in that movie. Dont get me wrong Arnold is my favorite actor of all time. I was wonder what it would be like today if Arnold did not play in Predator how would all the other Predator films would be.
@12TIEMYSHOES there is no doubt Arnold was a factor in its being a cult fav... i think we should all agree that the story and supporting cast, the overall action and special effects of predator is what it took it above and beyond though... not just Arnold. so i dont agree that it is only arnold that makes it such a fav. i think that another actor, as long as they did a decent job, would still make this move a cult classic.
@12TIEMYSHOES so in another summary what im saying is not all musclemen actors are huge action movie stars.... just like not all huge action movie stars are huge musclemen. i mean look at bruce willis. huge huge action star. i dont think anyone has considered bruce to be particularly "buff" though.
Criterion and Blue Underground have been consistently great with retaining film grain in their excellent transfers. I'm very concerned about the inconsistency coming from the major studios. I will avoid the Predator release and will hold out on the Alien set until more is known.
im still pre-ordering it. I know and trust very strongly about Charles De Lauzirika (who made numerous exellent/fantastic dvd editions including alien quadrilogy, the 5 disc blade runner edition,many more) he is responsible for some of the most successful and satisfying DVDs ever released. the blu ray blade runner looked perfect and that was a film that looked even worse than aliens, and i trust that he'll do a superb job on aliens, the rest too. Extras, packaging are worthy itself too.
@adrianlindsaylohan you should never buy on a name alone. Look at Sony, they're guilty of inconsistencies in the quality of their products all the time. It's sad that you think the way you do because you're kidding yourself into believing something you want to believe. It's that mentality of yours that helps these shoddy works continue to slip through the net and onto the shelves because you're one of the idiots who keeps buying them.
@emuholic how could you assume that's the way i think ? i never offended you and yet you called me idiot. you need to loosen up a little, i have no idea why would you call me idiot, you don't know me, we never talked before so you can't assume that im an idiot. you should choose your words wisely before you speak,there's other ways to deliver your message than calling me an idiot
@adrianlindsaylohan An assumption? really? You clearly are one of the idiots who keeps buying things regardless of the quality of them just because of name brand. It's obvious to me because you've admitted it. You're still preordering it even though it's shit. Your reason for this is some name behind the product being someone you like. I was responding to that. I don't have to know you personally to respond to what you've said. My god, you are right. You really have no idea.
@emuholic how the hell do you know that i keep buying things regardless of the quality ? have you seen my collection of blu rays ? for your information the last blu ray i bought was wall-E. and how would you know alien anthology is shit ?? do you have it huh ? i carefully choose which brand and what name i follow. there's no use for such language im not offended in anyway.
@adrianlindsaylohan exactly! you carefully choose which name and brand and then stick to it, and you buy their products even when they're shit! you admit by saying this that you are one of the idiots who keeps buying things regarldess of quality.
are you preordering and buying this low quality heavily DNR'ed shitfest predator or not? if yes, then you're doing exactly what an idiot would do. i never said anything about alien anthology being shit.
@emuholic noooo, i didn't pre-order predator, i pre-ordered alien anthology. the original predator special dvd edition is enough for me, there wasn't any extras worth upgrading and the video is a disaster. im not offended that you called me an idiot and i will not shut up, i'm simply staing my opinions and my actions and standing up for what i believe in. so why don't you start listening to anger managment tapes and learn to have some manners
@adrianlindsaylohan You're making assumptions about me by thinking I'm angry. I'm not angry, I'm just making a point. You can choose to interpret my text any way you want by reading emotion into it, and I can likewise choose to interpret your preordering of something you don't know the quality of as an idiotic thing to do.
Maybe you want to throw away the persecution card you're playing and actually concentrate on the points I'm making rather than being called an idiot or how angry it seems
@emuholic Okay then, let's get to it. I pre-ordered alien anthology, not predator. I pre-ordered it because it's my favorite film franchise, cameron approved the new transfer (read on thedigitalbits), for the old and new extras(I don't have the 1999 edition nor the laserdiscs), and if those aren't good enough for you, I'm also pre-ordering it for the awesome limited sculpture as i have went to comic con and saw it myself. So there's your reasons why I pre-ordered it without knowing the quality.
@adrianlindsaylohan Your reasons are weak. Okay, so you love it because it's your favorite film franchise and that's all the justification you need to keep supporting shit works. But the consequences for all of us because of people like you doing this is that they will not bother making a decent effort because they still get the cash, so they will keep releasing half-arsed copies.
@emuholic my reasons are weak !? i never said that my favorite film franchise is all the justification i needed. As I said, Im ordering it to get all the extras I missed before and new extras all together, and for the limited sculpture edition, I saw it in person and I know its good (it lights up inside !). you just ran out of arguments and picked my weakest reason then ignored talking about the better reasons. You cant say it's crap because you never saw it. you dont know what i support and buy
@adrianlindsaylohan the point is you are still contributing cash to something that you should boycott in order to get quality the next time around. If you buy it to get the extras in this shitty edition because you're an impatient obsessive nutcase, then they are going to see that they can put any old shit on the shelves and it's still going to sell. Maybe next time they will fuck up their next bluray and add a deleted scene you haven't got in a collection and you will go and buy that one too.
@emuholic "sh*tty edition" ?you know nothing about it & you have no right calling it sh*tty. You can't judge a book by its cover. FYI im not an impatient obsessive nutcase, i don't want to buy the old releases individually. and i certainly do not buy every edition of my favorite movie. and i will NEVER buy another release just for a deleted scene, i would only buy another release of a same movie if there was a major improvment. you are making things up about me then judging me on it.
@adrianlindsaylohan you are essentially judging a book by its cover yourself. you're preording it before you know more about it. You're buying blind. Has there been anything said anywhere about the picture quality of the box set you've preordered? I'm betting NO.
@emuholic i know more than you think i know about alien anthology, i already know most of the information about it available. I have been following the news about it almost everyday. and i already told you about the quality of the films, i have read multiple news articles reporting that when Cameron saw the new transfer he was very pleased. and there is no fear for the film following the fate of predator. i already told you to go to Thedigitalbits under 7/26. for proof.
@emuholic im also buying for the uncut alien 3 documentary and the fully restored video and audio for the assembly cut of alien 3, those alone are worth purchasing to me (alien 3 assembly cut being my 3rd favorite which is very close behind alien and aliens in my opinion) regarding the quality of alien anthology you can just find it on thedigitalbits under 7/26/10
@adrianlindsaylohan Ah, bless The Bits. :) That does make me feel a bit better. Those guys KNOW what a Blu-ray should look like. Definitely looking forward to seeing screens for these. And yes, the Assembly Cut of Alien 3 is such a HUGE improvement over the theatrical cut. I hated the theatrical cut. Assembly Cut, I can actually bear to watch even though I still think the "space prison" idea was a silly way to go with the series and would have been better as a standalone unrelated sci-fi.
@emuholic He was talking about pre-ordering the Alien Anthology, not Predator. Primarily due to the involvement of Charles De Lauzirika in the set, who has an excellent track record of delivering quality work. Predator is already on shelves, it can't be pre-ordered if it's been released already.
@Zaranyzerak I know that. I don't always read the whole thread when I get a response. So I got a few details wrong. but that guy still preorders something without knowing if it's quality or not, so my point still stands and he's trying to wriggle out of it.
I never told the prat to shut up stating his opinions either. I was pointing out the fact that he should shut up whining about being called an idiot if he's not offended. Clearly he is because he keeps going on about it.
@Zaranyzerak my other point was that just because some highly acclaimed guy's involvement doesn't mean that he's going to deliver on this particular boxset. Using 'Charles De Lauzirika' as a reason to preorder is no different from buying a Sony product just because it's Sony. The name Sony doesn't mean they don't make some shit, as you know.
@Zaranyzerak and finally, this adrian guy who I didn't directly call an idiot, but likened him to one (theres a difference), is missing my point (continuously) and is trying to get me to defend myself about the words I use to make the point to detract from the point. He's trying to detract by getting personal you'll notice, too. I can't help but notice.
im not smart when it comes to this sorta thing and i love the alien films and was about to pre order aliens but now im know gonna wait to see what zaranyzerak says, good rant they could lose lots of money
I am glad you brought this up about Predator Blu-Ray. I considered getting it, but after hearing this fuck that.I hope the Alien blu-rays are not fucked up like Predator.
By the way this was a great episode of the Multimedia Chronicles. You didn't go far when you where talking about cranking up the DNR. It's such a shame that they replaced Predator with a more inferior blu-ray. Thankfully Gladiator is getting fixed with a better copy that has no DNR or Edge enhancement. I couldn't believe it when I heard it. But as you where saying that voicing your opinion can make a difference and perhaps we might see a Predator that replicates the original look of the film.
@Tidbitkid Sheesh, I hope not. The original film used cheap, crappy film stock. I thought the "Ultimate Edition" of "Predator" looked great!
It seems like the DNR haters get into a tizzy simply because they're convinced by some geek mob that they're supposed to hate the video processing, but, frankly, it makes films like "Predator" look AWESOME!
@boulderbum7 This is not proper video processing. This is some idiot sitting at a workstation cranking all the settings up to maximum and leaving it on autopilot. This is not about being against remastering. This about preserving the look of the original source material ACCURATELY. fine, remove scratches and imperfections. but to remove the GRAIN is to remove the DETAIL. You know, detail? That thing you bought Blu-ray for? Every expert reviewer agrees - this transfer is SHIT.
@Zaranyzerak If the source material is old and ugly, I'm all for technology to improve the image quality.
Do you really think moviemakers sit around and say to themselves, hey, I want little random specks all over the image? No way! Grain is there either because technology is limited, budget is limited, or directors are being nostalgic.
Arguing for grainy artifacts in film is like arguing against the car in favor of the horse and buggy. We're moving past it. Good riddance!
@boulderbum7 So anything shot on film is "old and ugly" now, is it? Give me a break. I'll say this one last time. YOU CANNOT REMOVE FILM GRAIN WITHOUT ALSO REMOVING THE FINE DETAIL OF THE IMAGE. It is the GRAIN that CREATES the image on film. No grain, no image. Smear out the grain with DNR, you smear out the DETAIL. Sorry you're too wrapped up in your "HD has to make everything look like a fucking Pixar cartoon" mentality to GET that, I can't help you.
@Zaranyzerak Pixar cartoons are great, but "Predator: Ultimate Hunter" doesn't look like a cartoon, it looks bright and vivid with lots of pop in the image. I loved it!
Also, I think it's ironic that people link to DigitalBits for the bloggers rants about aesthetics. His white text on black background amateurish website makes my eyes bleed and he tries to rant about what looks good. :-D
@boulderbum7 Read Bill Hunt's recent articles over on TheDigitalBits website about that Predator transfer you love so much. Then read the bluray.com review. then read pretty much ANY review, since you clearly don't think my opinion is worth shit. I'll tell you exactly what you'll see - universal CONDEMNATION of this transfer. The general concensus amongst people who actually UNDERSTAND film and what it SHOULD look like in HD that this is, hands down, one of the WORST TRANSFERS EVER. Goodbye.
@Zaranyzerak Yeah, I saw Bill Hunt's blog "review". Have you seen his website? It's laughably ugly. A web designer's nightmare and he lectures everyone about what looks good. HA HA HA
@boulderbum7 Well, "boulderbum7," you've just shown your level of mentality. If you don't take the writings of someone who not only has a decades-long proven track record of knowing what he's talking about, not to mention having serious pull with the studios and instead choose to base your "opinion" on the aesthetic appeal of his website, then I'm done. No amount of rationality or intelligence will penetrate your rock-like skull. Enjoy your DNR shit fest that you think is great HD.
@boulderbum7 it also take away the details, the film looks uncomfortably weird. this is not how its meant to look. theres no dnr haters, only over dnr'ed blu ray haters
okay,i saw one pic frm the forum and they made the old guy look like a wax dummy!.what kind of idiot removes grain?!.thats like adding color to casablanca! X_X
you are a tool. just b/c you are used to grain with dvds does not mean they f'd up the transfer. camera technology wasnt great back then and they fixed. you are a tool
@Csal43 It's nothing to do with DVD. It's to do with FILM. And the way FILM LOOKS. DVD would show ARTIFACTING, not GRAIN. Not even close to the same thing.
Please watch the related video in the annotations about visible grain on Blu-ray. You are obviously misinformed on this issue and jumping to conclusions based on incorrect assumptions. That video should clear things up for you.
Here, it's this video: youtube.com/watch?v=iJ3CArAmOeA
@edd217 Haven't done one yet. Meant to review Avatar for ages, just never got around to it. I'll likely do one about the whole 3D trend in general, though, and work Avatar into that a bit.
@BookhouseBoy77 Lol! It's all for you, baby. Oh wait, that would mean I'm mad at you. I'm not. I adore you. Yeah, screens. Screens are good. HOW ABOUT THOSE DODGERS! What a game, what a game...
Fuck DNR! I don't have blu ray yet but I love film grain. To me scrubbing out film grain is tinkering with a classic film. Do you think we'll ever see an end to Digital Noise Reduction?
The future is grain free. If minority of geeks can't handle it...Well, better stick to your DVD's then. Majority of viewers want their blurays grain free.
@8AnubisGate8 In a word, WRONG. The future is NOT "grain-free." If you want everything grain-free, stop watching films. Stick to digitally shot movies or CG. A film image is composed of film grain. The fine detail you get on a film is the direct result of that grain. Remove the GRAIN, you remove the DETAIL. Modern TV's have a DNR mode. If you want the image destroyed, you can do it yourself. There is no "recover grain and lost detail:" mode. It should NOT be hard encoded into the MEDIA ITSELF.
you watching comic-con, its cool hearing about movies i never would have hard of, like the captain amarica, and green lantern, and green hornet movies! they are now on my must see list :D
I was reading about the Alien Anthology for some time, the other day I was like "what could go wrong?Maybe DNR it to death, and take the cheap way out and have some prog do it? LULZ nooooo way!" I watch this and I was crushed. Alien 1&2 are some of my fav sci-fi movies, I will be super pissed. Why do they always do this, and end up having to redo them? I bet the disc will have like some kind of sound sync problems, or a bad stamping. ~JESUS~
@macinnsot Welcome to my world. the past couple of years, I haven't bought ANYTHING on Blu-ray without researching it first. this should never have been an issue to begin with. The studios just got lazy wanting to fill the shelves with product, not THINKING that the product they were shipping out was sub-standard and does NOTHING to show off the capabilities of the format or encourage more sales. Fortunately these issues seem to be lessening of late. But once in a while...we get Predator.
@TheOtherLloyd Honeslty, I'm sure ti will be fine. But I'm waiting for screens just to make sure, and not ditching my Quadrilogy set JUST yet... This is the big issue. A studio puts out a release like this, and it reflects badly on them. It casts DOUBT. Viewers lose FAITH in them as a competent studio they can rely on. Sony, Criterion, Warner and Disney have NONE of those issues because they put out consistently high quality titles. Fox is so hit and miss. Planet of the Apes was AMAZING!
Oh you're not going to believe this Sean, The UK Amazon site had several reviews for this edition of Predator. And including one who mentioned the DNR, still gave it....4 stars! 4 STARS?!.......Oh dear.
@David315842 Yeah, you should check out the reviews on blu-ray.com. Some of the idiotic User Reviews, specifically. Some of them gave the picture quality FIVE B'S!!! FIVE?!? FIIIIVVVEEEEE?!?!?!?!?!? Then some of the others just talked shit about the official review on the site, attacking the reviewer for liking grain. And these people call themselves film buffs. IDIOTS!!!
So Blu-ray DNR is another turn off for the format, that's strike two, strike one being firmware upgrades and too heavy reliant on the internet for it's extras. Some people just want to watch the film in hi-def and don't care about BD Live features but I do go on. DNR itself sounds retarded, what has 'noise' got to do with grain removal and as you said you would think the studios would learn by now that DNR is harming sales of older films because they don't look like what they are supposed to.
@David315842 Like Sony nowadays, the studios just aren't gambiling with a full deck of cards here. It's like they saying 'Selling inperfected stuff is the norm nowadays and we don't care how many complaints we get, we're still going to sell this shite'! Overall, exellent rant. :)
@David315842 I think I've said this before, but I wouldn't consider firmware upgrades to be a strike. Most players do it automatically anyway, and those that don't it takes a few seconds. Would you rather have to buy a whole new player to get new features, or just spend a few seconds updating your current one? I see it as no different than the regular updates your computer performs. ALL our entertainment machines are more like computers now. Same with game consoles, set top boxes, etc.
@Zaranyzerak That's the problem Sean I'm trying to get at. You don't do through all this stuff with DVD, VHS or even Laserdisc, granted technology wasen't as advanced back then but still people just want to go home with their movie and just play it. I guess the ones that upgrade themselves come with free wifi anetnnas or can't actually do so without a wireless router or something? My friend had to buy a PS3, due to the fact that her Blu-ray discs wouldn't play......
@David315842.....on it. It was a Sony machine too. I think that's a pretty rotten way of Sony getting to squeaze more cash from people. Again I'm not totally against the format, I just wish that Sony realises that odd as it sounds, but not everyone has the internet to access instant Blu-ray updates or update codes for certain machines. But now that DNR is also an issue and that Sony aren't really thinking streight, I'd probably welcome a third HD format to appear all of a sudden.
@David315842 Though I guess DNR will still be an issue, regardless of the format. But then to be honest, I remember you mentioned that HD TV was being developed for years, however at a time when Digital Television was just being introduced, to me this is all overwhelming timing, we're just getting used to set top boxes and the need for external signal sources and now HD. Perhaps it all needs to slow down a tad, especially now that people can barely afford anything.
@David315842 As for the speed of HD reaplacing EVERYTHING, I really don't see any other way they could have done it. I mean think about it,. it's the biggest overhaul of video technology in HISTORY. Bigger than color television, stereo sound and set top boxes combined. It actually HAS been pretty gradual. HDTV's were first introduced about 10 years ago. Then we had HD cable a few years later. And now, disc-based HD and downloadable content. The upgrade path was made as painless as it COULD be.
@Zaranyzerak The UK is set to abolish terrestrial TV by 2012, with London (my home) being the final area where the major digital upgrade will happen. HD could have been introduced then, when Digital TV would become the norm, at least HD will immedeatily go digital to say the least. As for Sony, no one said they should have rushed Blu-ray's development, but this from a company that has made some very stupid descisions in regards to the Playstation family.
@David315842 I just find it hard to believe, a very respected Japanese company is making these silly descisions, probably it's all cost measures in regards to this 'man made resession' but still you don't develop a potential home media format and then drop it when you mutilate your own console in the case of the PSP line, as for PS3, well you know about that as Aneta has what I like to call the only 'true' PS3, not this non PS2 nonsence.
@David315842 Yeah, no argument here that dropping PS2 compatiblity was a bonehead move. But on the flip side, also understandable - the 360 had a MAJOR price edge over the PS3 at the time, so it was the fastest way for them to be able to drop the price by ditching the PS2 hardware and be more competitive earlier on. Now that the dust has settled and sales are pretty darned strong (PS3 has actually been outselling the 360 most of this year), it would nice nice if they brought it back.
@Zaranyzerak Knowing Sony, they'll probably lie AGAIN saying that the PS2 is still selling....if so we both know that's just bull-shit! Honestily if they keep up like this with Sony slowily becoming the Mainframe Entertainment of technology, then I won't be surprised if 'at the end of the day' Microsoft kicked their asses for sure.
@David315842 The problem was, as I said, the format war. The only reason it was rushed out was to gain a foothold over HD-DVD. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they would have delayed it by a year if the format war never happened. But the bottom line is, it DID happen so they had no choice but to put it out as-is. If Sony DIDN'T rush it out the gate, we would all be stuck with the vastly inferior HD-DVD format now (lower storage capacity, less advanced features).
@Zaranyzerak Ah I see. I thought HD DVD had the same capacity as Blu-ray, except it didn't have BD LIve features etc. Basically though Sony are just harming themselves if say someone brought a Blu-ray player, a Blu-ray disc only to find they can't play it, since it needs an upgrade and said person has no access to the internet. But I'm guessing these 'automatic updates' don't require a connection to the net then? I really do hope that's the case.
@David315842 No, of course they require a net connection. Where would it get the update FROM otherwise? ;) Though for the handful of people out there who still insist on being disconnected from this wired world we now live in, they can get the updates on disc from their local dealer, usually. Seriously, if they still insist on being "net-free" in this day and age where EVERYTHING is connected, I'd say that's a whole other issue that has nothing to do with Sony. It's a wired world!
@Zaranyzerak It's not that simple I'm afraid Sean. To get the internet, you need to pay for it, clear and simple. Some can afford it (even to just having a dongle err USB stick modem device), or not. Though true nowadays most phone companies do offer duel net/phone pakages nowadays. But here I am arguing my case when I realise these people can just buy their films on DVD, it's not hi-def, but chances are people like us who are into new tech will be the ones who will want it more. Sorry Sean.
@David315842 Well, the sad truth of that is that the world has been moving more and more towards being wired over the past 20 years. You can't blame Sony for being a part of that. ALL technology is a part of it. Our disc-based movie players were just the last holdout. It's unfortunate, but those that can't afford to pay for even basic internet are going to be left behind. I've been net-less on occasion due to lack of funds, and it sucks. But I don't blame the world for it, it's MY problem.
@David315842 That said, it's not as bad as you think. Most current players will at least be able to play the movies out of the box, with no upgrades. That's a basic functionality that all current players have. Very few discs will be unplayable on those. The most that would happen is they may not be able to access some of the more advanced features. But basic movie playback is rarely an issue. And if it IS an issue, they can get the latest updates on disc. But such cases are rare now.
@Zaranyzerak I'm glad. ^_^ Sorry about this Sean, I do love the idea for the format (and the colour :D) though I did have my concerns but I'm glad they can be easily fixed if any issues occur, what happend with my friend was as you say a rareity, anyway she's happy with her PS3. Let's just hope Sony can get their act together about this and make a PSP Go that's compatible wth UMD's at least
@Zaranyzerak well i know you said few, but i just have to bring this up. avatar blu ray !!! im guessing you have already heard about it. i was pissed. after all, i upgraged just for avatar.it wouldn't play and im just so angry. one of the reasons why i hate blu ray or used to is that you have all these updates. im still not really trusting where the format will lead to, will it follow the path of DVD, or will it simply just die out. im just going to make carefull purchasing decisions
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The Ultimate Hunter Edition is a joke. I do not own it, and I will never own it, I have however seen plenty and plenty of screens and discussions about it, it fucking looks like a cartoon! Waxy as hell, just horrible. Zaranyzerak, do you have any opinion on the original blu-ray relase of Predator in terms of picture quality? not extras or lack there of, but actual picture quality? It keeps all of the grain in tact for one, which is something this ultimate hunter edition doesn't do.
TheThingKing 5 days ago
Anyone who has the old predator blu ray that after watching this STILL wants to get the Ultimate edition, here's how you can have it for free: Go into your video settings, find Noise Reduction. Turn it up all the way. jack up the color saturation a few notches, as well. Shazaam, you've got it..
RushBeatles 1 month ago
dam it already goten it thanks to my pc i wasnt able to see this vid but i did get it at a low price, its a dnr mine field out there and i steped on one and lost a toe.
torquetheprisoner 1 month ago
You should show vid as you tlk would help back up what your tlk about!
CRUISEOBRIEN1 2 months ago
@CRUISEOBRIEN1 Can't, the studios flag clips for copyright if I do that.
Zaranyzerak 2 months ago
@Zaranyzerak
As for how the ninja turtles cross over dvd special was done with the 80's 2000's and comic turtles. Fuck you dvd prducers give us the dam thing unabriged.
slagarcrue85 2 months ago
@Zaranyzerak
yet they can remake a movie from the 1960's about a killer flesh eating plant in the 1980s. But they can't tranfer predator onto blue ray. for the love of Audrey JR. Some on e fire these people.
slagarcrue85 2 months ago
@Zaranyzerak Proably but not if you state that your not the owner of the material your about too show & besides its nice too see somebody with the ball too stand up and point out how they take our money produce crap dvds with crap extras and expect us too sit there and take it keep it up!
CRUISEOBRIEN1 2 months ago
@CRUISEOBRIEN1 Did you read the description? I posted links to screens and articles on the subject there. Go, see for yourself.
Zaranyzerak 2 months ago
@Zaranyzerak Will do thanks man,
CRUISEOBRIEN1 1 month ago
i just got alien 3 the book from 1992
earthguardian2 2 months ago
zaran your the man! -Rinoa
alyzajayne 2 months ago
@alyzajayne Thanks! And you're the....woman! :D
Zaranyzerak 2 months ago
i bought the ultimate hunter edition on blu-ray when it first came out, yes in the beginning the people do look like wax figures, but throughout the film there's a just a few scenes here and there which you ca tell that yes it was DNRed, but its not as bad as you think, the picture is Nice and the sound is amazing, talking about alien, i heard James Cameron had Aliens DNR as well to the same point as predator 100% film grain removed, yes i agree DNRing is not the answer
MrFilmgamer 2 months ago
@MrFilmgamer Aliens had some processing done, but no it is nowhere near to the extent it was done with Predator. They used post-processing techniques properly, to bring out the best in the film image, not to scrub out all the detail like Predator. I won't encourage the studios to keep butchering films like this by purchasing faulty editions like that and giving them my money, I'll gladly hang on to my DVD until Predator gets a proper release.
Zaranyzerak 2 months ago
@Zaranyzerak Aliens has plenty of grain. They reduced it some, yes, but not to the point where it eliminated detail.
Zaranyzerak 2 months ago
@Zaranyzerak o i 100% agree with u, what they did to predator is not what you do to a film, thanks for clearing up the info about Aliens
MrFilmgamer 2 months ago
@Zaranyzerak That is the same way I'll feel about Star Wars for different reasons. I'm done giving George Lucas any of my money so he can release butchered with versions of three awesome films. I'm hanging on to my 4:3 letterbox DVDs of the theatrical versions until they properly come out on Blu-Ray.
DANIELDUDE1000 2 months ago
@MrFilmgamer Aliens looks great, I actually watched it last night. Skin textures and such were all there, no wax figures. The biggest complaint I've heard is speculation that Cameron altered the color timing, because if you look a past releases it does have a fairly different color scheme in places. Maybe all the past video releases had just been wrong though..idk
WVUsax27 2 months ago
this edition has everyone looking like plastic instead of real people
NecroHunter93 2 months ago
A new 4k scan of Predator with no messing would of looked beautiful.I'm going to get the 2008 edition of Predator instead of the Ultimate dnr Edition.
I read on the net that someone recently watched Predator in the theater and the 2008 blu ray is an accurate representation of how it looked.
jimllfaxit 7 months ago
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The video transfer on the PREDATOR Ultimate Hunter Edition Blu-ray looks fantastic! It's amazing how this elitist DNR IS BAD trend has continued, promoted by you and a small minority of so called videophiles who actually think they know what there talking about.
Crow12345671 8 months ago
@Crow12345671 Learn what film actually looks like before shooting your mouth off about something you clearly know nothing about and attempting to insult those that do. The Predator transfer is shit. It was universally condemned by every review site out there as hands down one of the worst transfers ever to appears on the format. Don't believe me. Research it for yourself. Find ONE reputable review that actually praises that god awful transfer. I'll save you the trouble - one doesn't exist.
Zaranyzerak 8 months ago 4
@Zaranyzerak i can understand the angry most fans have concerning video quality on blu rays but for me as long as i can see and hear the movie and a few special features im cool with it but anyways anybody can have their own opinion.
joeriggsbee 7 months ago
@Crow12345671
Idiot.
kurntheimmortal 7 months ago
Have you heard the recent rumors that the folks at lowry digital might be helming a new, "proper" Blu-Ray release of Predator?
Bisbeatle 8 months ago
Since the Alien Anthology turned out ok, did you end up getting it?
3y3tiger 11 months ago
Zaranyzerak, I completely agree with you. I own the 2 Disc Collector's Edition, and I will keep that until FOX gets their shit together. Predator fans UNITE! :)
EndOfLineReviews 1 year ago
Did you see Paramount's filthy, DNR'd to Hell 'Gladiator' transfer? That was equally ridiculous. At least they put out a new - AMAZING - remaster. How I wish FOX would do the same for Predator.
jedichris5 1 year ago
Glad that i watched this video, and for your answer yesterday, about this edition. So, the actors looks like wax figures and the picture looks like a pixar movie, then my question is, will we ever get the chance to be satisfied and happy with a right transfer of this film, guess not. If there`s already two versions out there on blu-ray, and both of them are terrible, then im starting to lose some hope here. As a movie fan, i care for films, and it`s seems like you do to, so this bothers me.
XxLibra86xX 1 year ago
Predator DNR edition featuring the cast of Wall-E and Cars :D
dark1ankh 1 year ago
Hi Zaranyzerak, those college boys should show you way more RESPECT!
zensorship 1 year ago
Zaranyzerak, you have enlightened me...
3y3tiger 1 year ago
Yeah, you should do a video in which you smash the Ultimate Hunter Edition Blu-ray of Predator and the Turtles Forever DVD.
TheCartoonman13 1 year ago
HAHAHAHAHA... You fuckin crack me up man! Great review and thanks for the recommendation to NOT. BUT, I do love my Sci-Fi like you so ill netflix it and watch it to say to myself i have seen it and didnt like it.
MrHorrorhound 1 year ago
The scene where you notice DNR the most is at the start of the film!! when Arnold goes to see the general! I would say thats the worst scene, they really do look plastic-like :)
Fender1976uk 1 year ago
WANKING HIMSELF AT THE DNR SWITCH!!!! i was laughing my ass off from that line.
morganthegeeknerd 1 year ago 2
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Disagreed with everything you said, thought the new blu-ray was great.....
shakermakerman 1 year ago
@shakermakerman Well, you're in the minority then. Every other review out there agrees that the transfer was total crap. So bad, in fact, that it is widely considered to be one of the worst transfers in the history of the format. It's not how the movies looks, and not how it should look. You might want to get some information about what film is supposed to look like, because this ain't it.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago 8
@Zaranyzerak Once again I disagree, but we all entitled to out opininions ;-)
shakermakerman 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak not really, why dont you watch the bluray before you rant.
shakermakerman 1 year ago
@shakermakerman As discussed previously, I have seen enough to know I don't need to see more. I don't do ANY video unless I am properly informed on the subject matter. Making a lame attempt to discredit me simply because my viewpoint does not equal yours is pointless and silly.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago 4
@shakermakerman And why don't you learn what film is actually supposed to look like in HD before praising a shoddy transfer like this as "great."
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak why dont you record it yourself from VHS to Blu-ray, that way see you can see all the silly mistake's in the movie Like Dillons arm and Blains chest pluss all the crappy grain.
shakermakerman 1 year ago
@shakermakerman That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Artifacting due to lower resolution is not even remotely the same thing as film grain. You cannot see film grain on VHS or DVD, neither has the resolution to reproduce it. Again, learn what film grain actually IS and what film is supposed to look like. This string of comments is only making you look more foolish with each response.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago 16
@Zaranyzerak I was going on about the mistakes that can be seen in the VHS version.
shakermakerman 1 year ago
you might already seen it, but im telling you that the screenshot of all 4 alien movie is out, and aliens look so FUCKING good, i think you'll be very happy to hear that along with the resolution of your recent ordeal. so congratulations !!!!
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
I thought the "Predator: Ultimate Edition" looked great! One of the best Blu Rays I've seen, in fact; the picture just popped! Have you seen it, by the way, or just parroting the opinion of others?
I hate grain. Human eyes don't see grain in real life, it's just an artifact of crappy film. The DNR fixed the problem and made the movie look almost as good as movies like "Dark Knight"!
Frankly, I hope the Alien anthology (and every other old movie) uses the process if it makes films look so good!
boulderbum7 1 year ago
@boulderbum7 Yes, I've seen more than enough of it to know that it looks like complete and utter shit. Don't make lame attempts to discredit me, it won't work.
Film is not SUPPOSED to be "how the human eye" sees things. Film is composed of grain. It is not an "artifact." Any Blu-ray transferred FROM film should have visible grain. The process used for this edition is an abomination and no one should be wasting their money on crap like this. Fortunately, releases like this are in the minority.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago 2
@Zaranyzerak Your answer makes it sound like you haven't watched the whole movie. Are you basing your opinion on some screenshots from people who rant about DNR?
The fact is that when you see the movie in motion, it looks gorgeous. Long live DNR!
Also, film IS supposed to reflect what we see. It was invented to capture a realistic moving image. You can add lighting & effects to make the image more interesting, but grain doesn't: it's just an artifact of older film technology.
boulderbum7 1 year ago
@boulderbum7 Again, spare me the lame attempts to discredit me. I already answered your accusation. No, film is NOT supposed to represent what we see. That would be the evening news. Film is an INTERPRETATION of what we see, filtered through the artistic vision of the director and cinematographer. If grain is such an undesirable "artifact," then why do so many filmmakers ADD grain in post production to give it a more "film-like" look? Your view of grain is is based on a fallacy.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak Actually, you didn't answer my question directly. Have you watched the whole "Ultimate Hunter" Blu Ray?
"why do so many filmmakers ADD grain in post production"
The same reason some filmmakers still shoot in black and white: nostalgia. Actually, your argument is a lot like the people who used to whine about silent movies gaining sound or black and white movies moving to color.
Technology helps us create a crisper, more interesting image. See "Avatar" Blu Ray which is champ!
boulderbum7 1 year ago
@boulderbum7 Yes I did, and no I haven't. Why the fuck would I willingly sit through an entire Blu-ray with a transfer that makes me want to put my fist through the screen? I don't need to see the whole fucking thing to see that it is a horrible transfer. Avatar was shot digitally, so of course it looks crisp and clean. Not everything is supposed to look like Avatar. Get some education about film grain and HD. I pointed you to some reputable sources in my previous comment. I can't help you.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@boulderbum7 No, my argument is perfectly sound and rational. I want the original experience of the film to be accurately preserved. If it's black and white, don't colorize it. If it's mono sound, leave it mono. If it's grainy film, leave it grainy. If it's full frame or widescreen, use the correct aspect ratio. You want everything to look like a Pixar movie. Well news flash - everything DOESN'T look like that and SHOULDN'T look like that. Every film is different. YOUR argument makes no sense.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@boulderbum7 this blu ray looked terrible and i have it, i immediately returned it the following day. the dnr totally wiped out the detail. you obviously have not seen a grain fix done right. go see the screenshots of aliens of the anthology, the extra grains has been taken out while there is still little left to perserve the film look, and he enhanced details we've never seen before, have the screen shots side by side and you'll see the truth. predator dnr edition is eye candy for the blind.
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
3 minutes in till you actually talk about what you're meant to be talking about.
tommmmmer 1 year ago
@tommmmmer So?
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
im a huge movie buff and very serious about my passion for film, having this addition of predator didnt bother me... because even though it loses detail. the picture was fresh bright and full of colour. now i know what your saying... the fucking film wasnt meant to look like that and i know...all you have to do is go buy the previous edition or keep hold of your dvd copy... there are many versions of the film so go and buy the one that suits you more personally. i have all of them.lol. big fan.
1988martin 1 year ago
Heads up, man, Cameron just announced that he wiped all grain and noise from the EXTENDED version of Aliens for blu ray
NorvenLeverone 1 year ago
@NorvenLeverone Ok, but we have to consider that the two versions might be on a branched disc. I really dont believe they will record the entire versions twice, wich would take two times as much disc space.
oalternativo 1 year ago
So I should get the original blu ray release?
TheJab1023 1 year ago
@TheJab1023 I'm not bothering with either of them at this point, just hanging on to my 2-disc DVD edition for now. The first one is loaded with digital artifacting and has zero extras, the new one is a DNR mess. They're both crap.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak
I think I'll go with you on this since you seem like a fellow movie guy. I also have the 2 disc SE DVD. I don't want to waste money on something that will annoy me.
With the "Alien" movies I hope they release them individually on blu-ray sometime as well (if it's not fucked up.) I only like the first two "Alien" movies personally. We'll see how it works out.
TheJab1023 1 year ago
Thanks, you provide the best reviews!
johnnyboyyz 1 year ago
Hey, do you think they will ever release a 3rd Blu-ray version of Predator? I believe the Ultimate Hunter Edition was an improvement over the 1st release, but like you say, they have cleaned it up too much.
Such a shame that a classic like Predator can't have some time and effort put into the transfer. I've owned 4 versions of the film now, and Im still eagerly waiting for that "perfect" transfer.
Wardimus83 1 year ago
I saw this at HMV on the 2 for $20 blu-ray rack. Thanks to your informative review, I saved my $20.
truenorth1968 1 year ago
lol, mac looks real delicious in the screen shot in the link (looks like chocolate, not being racist, the thing looks so waxy)
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
"WANKING HIMSELF WITH THE DNR SWITCH!?" :D
discjunkietv 1 year ago
The big studios will release yet another "improved" blu ray edition in 6 months or 1 year.
They are releasing BAD blurays now ON PURPOSE TO MAKE MULTIPLE BAD EDITIONS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.
Please remember these people are BUSINESSMEN. They do not love the films. They do not care about AV quality.
They do not care about fans reactions. ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MULTIPLE PROFIT OPPORTUNITIES.
THEY ARE MAKING BAD EDITIONS ON PURPOSE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE AVERAGE FAN WILL BUY THEM ALL ANYWAY.
hi2u202 1 year ago
I read somewhere that James Cameron approved of the HD transfer for Aliens, and that is the most troublesome film for quality, given the film stock they filmed it in. And given its done by the same guy as the Blade Runner set, I'm sure they're not going to screw around with the DNR button.
Note that they're doing an exchange program for the Gladiator Blu-ray, another victim of DNR'ing. Guess we're being heard after all.
universalkid1000 1 year ago
@universalkid1000 exactlym, that was what im trying to say in my first comment but did not have the space to say it all.
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
Do you think that IF The Predator movie did NOT have Schwarzenegger in it, would it be as big and famous as it is today. Like some other actor played his role. Would it be a big hype today. Because EVERYBODY I know has seen Predator its a cult classic or phoenonminion. Only because Schwarzenegger is in that movie. Dont get me wrong Arnold is my favorite actor of all time. I was wonder what it would be like today if Arnold did not play in Predator how would all the other Predator films would be.
12TIEMYSHOES 1 year ago
@12TIEMYSHOES there is no doubt Arnold was a factor in its being a cult fav... i think we should all agree that the story and supporting cast, the overall action and special effects of predator is what it took it above and beyond though... not just Arnold. so i dont agree that it is only arnold that makes it such a fav. i think that another actor, as long as they did a decent job, would still make this move a cult classic.
angeltread 1 year ago
@angeltread Ya I agree I like Carl Weathers, Bill Duke, and Jesse Ventra.
12TIEMYSHOES 1 year ago
@12TIEMYSHOES so in another summary what im saying is not all musclemen actors are huge action movie stars.... just like not all huge action movie stars are huge musclemen. i mean look at bruce willis. huge huge action star. i dont think anyone has considered bruce to be particularly "buff" though.
angeltread 1 year ago
Criterion and Blue Underground have been consistently great with retaining film grain in their excellent transfers. I'm very concerned about the inconsistency coming from the major studios. I will avoid the Predator release and will hold out on the Alien set until more is known.
Indiephantom 1 year ago
im still pre-ordering it. I know and trust very strongly about Charles De Lauzirika (who made numerous exellent/fantastic dvd editions including alien quadrilogy, the 5 disc blade runner edition,many more) he is responsible for some of the most successful and satisfying DVDs ever released. the blu ray blade runner looked perfect and that was a film that looked even worse than aliens, and i trust that he'll do a superb job on aliens, the rest too. Extras, packaging are worthy itself too.
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
@adrianlindsaylohan you should never buy on a name alone. Look at Sony, they're guilty of inconsistencies in the quality of their products all the time. It's sad that you think the way you do because you're kidding yourself into believing something you want to believe. It's that mentality of yours that helps these shoddy works continue to slip through the net and onto the shelves because you're one of the idiots who keeps buying them.
emuholic 1 year ago
@emuholic how could you assume that's the way i think ? i never offended you and yet you called me idiot. you need to loosen up a little, i have no idea why would you call me idiot, you don't know me, we never talked before so you can't assume that im an idiot. you should choose your words wisely before you speak,there's other ways to deliver your message than calling me an idiot
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
@adrianlindsaylohan An assumption? really? You clearly are one of the idiots who keeps buying things regardless of the quality of them just because of name brand. It's obvious to me because you've admitted it. You're still preordering it even though it's shit. Your reason for this is some name behind the product being someone you like. I was responding to that. I don't have to know you personally to respond to what you've said. My god, you are right. You really have no idea.
emuholic 1 year ago
@emuholic how the hell do you know that i keep buying things regardless of the quality ? have you seen my collection of blu rays ? for your information the last blu ray i bought was wall-E. and how would you know alien anthology is shit ?? do you have it huh ? i carefully choose which brand and what name i follow. there's no use for such language im not offended in anyway.
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
@adrianlindsaylohan exactly! you carefully choose which name and brand and then stick to it, and you buy their products even when they're shit! you admit by saying this that you are one of the idiots who keeps buying things regarldess of quality.
are you preordering and buying this low quality heavily DNR'ed shitfest predator or not? if yes, then you're doing exactly what an idiot would do. i never said anything about alien anthology being shit.
if u aren't offended then shut up about it
emuholic 1 year ago
@emuholic noooo, i didn't pre-order predator, i pre-ordered alien anthology. the original predator special dvd edition is enough for me, there wasn't any extras worth upgrading and the video is a disaster. im not offended that you called me an idiot and i will not shut up, i'm simply staing my opinions and my actions and standing up for what i believe in. so why don't you start listening to anger managment tapes and learn to have some manners
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
@adrianlindsaylohan You're making assumptions about me by thinking I'm angry. I'm not angry, I'm just making a point. You can choose to interpret my text any way you want by reading emotion into it, and I can likewise choose to interpret your preordering of something you don't know the quality of as an idiotic thing to do.
Maybe you want to throw away the persecution card you're playing and actually concentrate on the points I'm making rather than being called an idiot or how angry it seems
emuholic 1 year ago
@emuholic Okay then, let's get to it. I pre-ordered alien anthology, not predator. I pre-ordered it because it's my favorite film franchise, cameron approved the new transfer (read on thedigitalbits), for the old and new extras(I don't have the 1999 edition nor the laserdiscs), and if those aren't good enough for you, I'm also pre-ordering it for the awesome limited sculpture as i have went to comic con and saw it myself. So there's your reasons why I pre-ordered it without knowing the quality.
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
@adrianlindsaylohan Your reasons are weak. Okay, so you love it because it's your favorite film franchise and that's all the justification you need to keep supporting shit works. But the consequences for all of us because of people like you doing this is that they will not bother making a decent effort because they still get the cash, so they will keep releasing half-arsed copies.
emuholic 1 year ago
@emuholic my reasons are weak !? i never said that my favorite film franchise is all the justification i needed. As I said, Im ordering it to get all the extras I missed before and new extras all together, and for the limited sculpture edition, I saw it in person and I know its good (it lights up inside !). you just ran out of arguments and picked my weakest reason then ignored talking about the better reasons. You cant say it's crap because you never saw it. you dont know what i support and buy
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
@adrianlindsaylohan the point is you are still contributing cash to something that you should boycott in order to get quality the next time around. If you buy it to get the extras in this shitty edition because you're an impatient obsessive nutcase, then they are going to see that they can put any old shit on the shelves and it's still going to sell. Maybe next time they will fuck up their next bluray and add a deleted scene you haven't got in a collection and you will go and buy that one too.
emuholic 1 year ago
@emuholic "sh*tty edition" ?you know nothing about it & you have no right calling it sh*tty. You can't judge a book by its cover. FYI im not an impatient obsessive nutcase, i don't want to buy the old releases individually. and i certainly do not buy every edition of my favorite movie. and i will NEVER buy another release just for a deleted scene, i would only buy another release of a same movie if there was a major improvment. you are making things up about me then judging me on it.
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
@adrianlindsaylohan you are essentially judging a book by its cover yourself. you're preording it before you know more about it. You're buying blind. Has there been anything said anywhere about the picture quality of the box set you've preordered? I'm betting NO.
emuholic 1 year ago
@emuholic i know more than you think i know about alien anthology, i already know most of the information about it available. I have been following the news about it almost everyday. and i already told you about the quality of the films, i have read multiple news articles reporting that when Cameron saw the new transfer he was very pleased. and there is no fear for the film following the fate of predator. i already told you to go to Thedigitalbits under 7/26. for proof.
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
@emuholic im also buying for the uncut alien 3 documentary and the fully restored video and audio for the assembly cut of alien 3, those alone are worth purchasing to me (alien 3 assembly cut being my 3rd favorite which is very close behind alien and aliens in my opinion) regarding the quality of alien anthology you can just find it on thedigitalbits under 7/26/10
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
@adrianlindsaylohan Ah, bless The Bits. :) That does make me feel a bit better. Those guys KNOW what a Blu-ray should look like. Definitely looking forward to seeing screens for these. And yes, the Assembly Cut of Alien 3 is such a HUGE improvement over the theatrical cut. I hated the theatrical cut. Assembly Cut, I can actually bear to watch even though I still think the "space prison" idea was a silly way to go with the series and would have been better as a standalone unrelated sci-fi.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@emuholic He was talking about pre-ordering the Alien Anthology, not Predator. Primarily due to the involvement of Charles De Lauzirika in the set, who has an excellent track record of delivering quality work. Predator is already on shelves, it can't be pre-ordered if it's been released already.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak I know that. I don't always read the whole thread when I get a response. So I got a few details wrong. but that guy still preorders something without knowing if it's quality or not, so my point still stands and he's trying to wriggle out of it.
I never told the prat to shut up stating his opinions either. I was pointing out the fact that he should shut up whining about being called an idiot if he's not offended. Clearly he is because he keeps going on about it.
emuholic 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak my other point was that just because some highly acclaimed guy's involvement doesn't mean that he's going to deliver on this particular boxset. Using 'Charles De Lauzirika' as a reason to preorder is no different from buying a Sony product just because it's Sony. The name Sony doesn't mean they don't make some shit, as you know.
emuholic 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak and finally, this adrian guy who I didn't directly call an idiot, but likened him to one (theres a difference), is missing my point (continuously) and is trying to get me to defend myself about the words I use to make the point to detract from the point. He's trying to detract by getting personal you'll notice, too. I can't help but notice.
emuholic 1 year ago
I must be honest, seeing the images it doesn't ALWAYS bother me much.
As in, in some scenes it's much worse than others.
I mean, I care about that it should look like the film looks, of course.
But there's quite a lot of grain in the darker scenes and it makes it looks tighter with DNR.
HOWEVER, it also makes it look like it's too "modern" or something, without grain that is.
Besides, it probably takes away the looks and atmosphere of the movie.
Anyway, always leave it as-is, except for damage.
DamageIncM 1 year ago
LOL > The computer-guy-comments. XD
But I think you shouldn't worry too much about the "Alien"-anthology, because... I think they will be a little more careful with this huge title.
Especially with FOUR movies in it and the fanbase it has.
Also, isn't Ridley Scott behind this?
I know that's not much of a comfort, just look at 'Gladiator' for example.
But then again, look at something like 'Blade Runner', he did make a great set out of that.
I think it will be a similar case with 'Alien'.
DamageIncM 1 year ago
I'm getting sick of DNR as well.
A friend of mine bought a Blu-Ray player and picked up Goodfellas, he said it looked too soft. He said the DVD looked better.
I was hyped about buying T2 Skynet Edition Blu-Ray, but I didn't because of the DNR.
Riddler95 1 year ago
To Predator fans what would you say has better picture quality? The DVD or the DNR heavy Blu Ray?
Barbaryotaku 1 year ago
im not smart when it comes to this sorta thing and i love the alien films and was about to pre order aliens but now im know gonna wait to see what zaranyzerak says, good rant they could lose lots of money
ant851114 1 year ago
what a great rant. here here.
1981Amm 1 year ago
Sean, what's the camera you use for these videos?
P.S.: I will send you something very soon, I hope! Things were (still are) a little bit crazy around here these last months.
felipefonsecaps 1 year ago
I am glad you brought this up about Predator Blu-Ray. I considered getting it, but after hearing this fuck that.I hope the Alien blu-rays are not fucked up like Predator.
PearlJammer07 1 year ago
By the way this was a great episode of the Multimedia Chronicles. You didn't go far when you where talking about cranking up the DNR. It's such a shame that they replaced Predator with a more inferior blu-ray. Thankfully Gladiator is getting fixed with a better copy that has no DNR or Edge enhancement. I couldn't believe it when I heard it. But as you where saying that voicing your opinion can make a difference and perhaps we might see a Predator that replicates the original look of the film.
Tidbitkid 1 year ago
@Tidbitkid Sheesh, I hope not. The original film used cheap, crappy film stock. I thought the "Ultimate Edition" of "Predator" looked great!
It seems like the DNR haters get into a tizzy simply because they're convinced by some geek mob that they're supposed to hate the video processing, but, frankly, it makes films like "Predator" look AWESOME!
boulderbum7 1 year ago
@boulderbum7 This is not proper video processing. This is some idiot sitting at a workstation cranking all the settings up to maximum and leaving it on autopilot. This is not about being against remastering. This about preserving the look of the original source material ACCURATELY. fine, remove scratches and imperfections. but to remove the GRAIN is to remove the DETAIL. You know, detail? That thing you bought Blu-ray for? Every expert reviewer agrees - this transfer is SHIT.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak If the source material is old and ugly, I'm all for technology to improve the image quality.
Do you really think moviemakers sit around and say to themselves, hey, I want little random specks all over the image? No way! Grain is there either because technology is limited, budget is limited, or directors are being nostalgic.
Arguing for grainy artifacts in film is like arguing against the car in favor of the horse and buggy. We're moving past it. Good riddance!
boulderbum7 1 year ago
@boulderbum7 So anything shot on film is "old and ugly" now, is it? Give me a break. I'll say this one last time. YOU CANNOT REMOVE FILM GRAIN WITHOUT ALSO REMOVING THE FINE DETAIL OF THE IMAGE. It is the GRAIN that CREATES the image on film. No grain, no image. Smear out the grain with DNR, you smear out the DETAIL. Sorry you're too wrapped up in your "HD has to make everything look like a fucking Pixar cartoon" mentality to GET that, I can't help you.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak Pixar cartoons are great, but "Predator: Ultimate Hunter" doesn't look like a cartoon, it looks bright and vivid with lots of pop in the image. I loved it!
Also, I think it's ironic that people link to DigitalBits for the bloggers rants about aesthetics. His white text on black background amateurish website makes my eyes bleed and he tries to rant about what looks good. :-D
boulderbum7 1 year ago
@boulderbum7 Read Bill Hunt's recent articles over on TheDigitalBits website about that Predator transfer you love so much. Then read the bluray.com review. then read pretty much ANY review, since you clearly don't think my opinion is worth shit. I'll tell you exactly what you'll see - universal CONDEMNATION of this transfer. The general concensus amongst people who actually UNDERSTAND film and what it SHOULD look like in HD that this is, hands down, one of the WORST TRANSFERS EVER. Goodbye.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak Yeah, I saw Bill Hunt's blog "review". Have you seen his website? It's laughably ugly. A web designer's nightmare and he lectures everyone about what looks good. HA HA HA
boulderbum7 1 year ago
@boulderbum7 Well, "boulderbum7," you've just shown your level of mentality. If you don't take the writings of someone who not only has a decades-long proven track record of knowing what he's talking about, not to mention having serious pull with the studios and instead choose to base your "opinion" on the aesthetic appeal of his website, then I'm done. No amount of rationality or intelligence will penetrate your rock-like skull. Enjoy your DNR shit fest that you think is great HD.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@boulderbum7 it also take away the details, the film looks uncomfortably weird. this is not how its meant to look. theres no dnr haters, only over dnr'ed blu ray haters
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago
Nice Vrant!
SuperRob77 1 year ago
okay,i saw one pic frm the forum and they made the old guy look like a wax dummy!.what kind of idiot removes grain?!.thats like adding color to casablanca! X_X
Dannyfaye 1 year ago
WOW if you fuck up a dvd, better watch, seans guna come and kick ur ass :P i joke, good video dude
braadyguitarmaster 1 year ago
you are a tool. just b/c you are used to grain with dvds does not mean they f'd up the transfer. camera technology wasnt great back then and they fixed. you are a tool
Csal43 1 year ago
@Csal43 It's nothing to do with DVD. It's to do with FILM. And the way FILM LOOKS. DVD would show ARTIFACTING, not GRAIN. Not even close to the same thing.
Please watch the related video in the annotations about visible grain on Blu-ray. You are obviously misinformed on this issue and jumping to conclusions based on incorrect assumptions. That video should clear things up for you.
Here, it's this video: youtube.com/watch?v=iJ3CArAmOeA
Any questions after, just ask.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@edd217 Haven't done one yet. Meant to review Avatar for ages, just never got around to it. I'll likely do one about the whole 3D trend in general, though, and work Avatar into that a bit.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@BookhouseBoy77 Lol! It's all for you, baby. Oh wait, that would mean I'm mad at you. I'm not. I adore you. Yeah, screens. Screens are good. HOW ABOUT THOSE DODGERS! What a game, what a game...
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
8:29 LOL!
drunkfux1 1 year ago
Fuck DNR! I don't have blu ray yet but I love film grain. To me scrubbing out film grain is tinkering with a classic film. Do you think we'll ever see an end to Digital Noise Reduction?
DANIELDUDE1000 1 year ago
@DANIELDUDE1000 We can only hope...
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
The future is grain free. If minority of geeks can't handle it...Well, better stick to your DVD's then. Majority of viewers want their blurays grain free.
8AnubisGate8 1 year ago
@8AnubisGate8 In a word, WRONG. The future is NOT "grain-free." If you want everything grain-free, stop watching films. Stick to digitally shot movies or CG. A film image is composed of film grain. The fine detail you get on a film is the direct result of that grain. Remove the GRAIN, you remove the DETAIL. Modern TV's have a DNR mode. If you want the image destroyed, you can do it yourself. There is no "recover grain and lost detail:" mode. It should NOT be hard encoded into the MEDIA ITSELF.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak
Yeah, plus a lot of digitally shot films like 300 add artificial grain to the image anyway-- this guy's options are going to be pretty limited :)
Motorheadache95 1 year ago
dnr stands for do not resusitate, im sure many have said this but it is worth noting the comparison to the disc.
swissmrkc 1 year ago
@swissmrkc Hehehe...yep! 'Cause the image ain't coming back to life once it's been DNR'ed!
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
Thank god I got this abomination for free at the Predators premiere.
spar7an168 1 year ago
DNR is like makeup on a woman. Some say they look better with and some say they look better without.
Barbaryotaku 1 year ago
you watching comic-con, its cool hearing about movies i never would have hard of, like the captain amarica, and green lantern, and green hornet movies! they are now on my must see list :D
yellowflash345 1 year ago
Zaranyzerak it's to bad that you're not working at blu-ray.com as one of their reviewers so you could show and tell them how it's done.
soul71000 1 year ago
to prove that new doesnt means betters?
Indigodelta383 1 year ago
I was reading about the Alien Anthology for some time, the other day I was like "what could go wrong?Maybe DNR it to death, and take the cheap way out and have some prog do it? LULZ nooooo way!" I watch this and I was crushed. Alien 1&2 are some of my fav sci-fi movies, I will be super pissed. Why do they always do this, and end up having to redo them? I bet the disc will have like some kind of sound sync problems, or a bad stamping. ~JESUS~
macinnsot 1 year ago
@macinnsot Welcome to my world. the past couple of years, I haven't bought ANYTHING on Blu-ray without researching it first. this should never have been an issue to begin with. The studios just got lazy wanting to fill the shelves with product, not THINKING that the product they were shipping out was sub-standard and does NOTHING to show off the capabilities of the format or encourage more sales. Fortunately these issues seem to be lessening of late. But once in a while...we get Predator.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
AVC = alien vs colonial marines!
TobiGoodBoy11001 1 year ago
I was just about to pre-order the Alien Anthology....now i'm having second thoughts....
TheOtherLloyd 1 year ago
@TheOtherLloyd Honeslty, I'm sure ti will be fine. But I'm waiting for screens just to make sure, and not ditching my Quadrilogy set JUST yet... This is the big issue. A studio puts out a release like this, and it reflects badly on them. It casts DOUBT. Viewers lose FAITH in them as a competent studio they can rely on. Sony, Criterion, Warner and Disney have NONE of those issues because they put out consistently high quality titles. Fox is so hit and miss. Planet of the Apes was AMAZING!
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago 2
Oh you're not going to believe this Sean, The UK Amazon site had several reviews for this edition of Predator. And including one who mentioned the DNR, still gave it....4 stars! 4 STARS?!.......Oh dear.
David315842 1 year ago
@David315842 Yeah, you should check out the reviews on blu-ray.com. Some of the idiotic User Reviews, specifically. Some of them gave the picture quality FIVE B'S!!! FIVE?!? FIIIIVVVEEEEE?!?!?!?!?!? Then some of the others just talked shit about the official review on the site, attacking the reviewer for liking grain. And these people call themselves film buffs. IDIOTS!!!
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago 2
@Zaranyzerak They're probably not the buffs that they think they are. Overall it just sounds like a general mess.
David315842 1 year ago
So Blu-ray DNR is another turn off for the format, that's strike two, strike one being firmware upgrades and too heavy reliant on the internet for it's extras. Some people just want to watch the film in hi-def and don't care about BD Live features but I do go on. DNR itself sounds retarded, what has 'noise' got to do with grain removal and as you said you would think the studios would learn by now that DNR is harming sales of older films because they don't look like what they are supposed to.
David315842 1 year ago
@David315842 Like Sony nowadays, the studios just aren't gambiling with a full deck of cards here. It's like they saying 'Selling inperfected stuff is the norm nowadays and we don't care how many complaints we get, we're still going to sell this shite'! Overall, exellent rant. :)
David315842 1 year ago
@David315842 I think I've said this before, but I wouldn't consider firmware upgrades to be a strike. Most players do it automatically anyway, and those that don't it takes a few seconds. Would you rather have to buy a whole new player to get new features, or just spend a few seconds updating your current one? I see it as no different than the regular updates your computer performs. ALL our entertainment machines are more like computers now. Same with game consoles, set top boxes, etc.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak That's the problem Sean I'm trying to get at. You don't do through all this stuff with DVD, VHS or even Laserdisc, granted technology wasen't as advanced back then but still people just want to go home with their movie and just play it. I guess the ones that upgrade themselves come with free wifi anetnnas or can't actually do so without a wireless router or something? My friend had to buy a PS3, due to the fact that her Blu-ray discs wouldn't play......
David315842 1 year ago
@David315842.....on it. It was a Sony machine too. I think that's a pretty rotten way of Sony getting to squeaze more cash from people. Again I'm not totally against the format, I just wish that Sony realises that odd as it sounds, but not everyone has the internet to access instant Blu-ray updates or update codes for certain machines. But now that DNR is also an issue and that Sony aren't really thinking streight, I'd probably welcome a third HD format to appear all of a sudden.
David315842 1 year ago
@David315842 Though I guess DNR will still be an issue, regardless of the format. But then to be honest, I remember you mentioned that HD TV was being developed for years, however at a time when Digital Television was just being introduced, to me this is all overwhelming timing, we're just getting used to set top boxes and the need for external signal sources and now HD. Perhaps it all needs to slow down a tad, especially now that people can barely afford anything.
David315842 1 year ago
@David315842 As for the speed of HD reaplacing EVERYTHING, I really don't see any other way they could have done it. I mean think about it,. it's the biggest overhaul of video technology in HISTORY. Bigger than color television, stereo sound and set top boxes combined. It actually HAS been pretty gradual. HDTV's were first introduced about 10 years ago. Then we had HD cable a few years later. And now, disc-based HD and downloadable content. The upgrade path was made as painless as it COULD be.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak The UK is set to abolish terrestrial TV by 2012, with London (my home) being the final area where the major digital upgrade will happen. HD could have been introduced then, when Digital TV would become the norm, at least HD will immedeatily go digital to say the least. As for Sony, no one said they should have rushed Blu-ray's development, but this from a company that has made some very stupid descisions in regards to the Playstation family.
David315842 1 year ago
@David315842 I just find it hard to believe, a very respected Japanese company is making these silly descisions, probably it's all cost measures in regards to this 'man made resession' but still you don't develop a potential home media format and then drop it when you mutilate your own console in the case of the PSP line, as for PS3, well you know about that as Aneta has what I like to call the only 'true' PS3, not this non PS2 nonsence.
David315842 1 year ago
@David315842 Yeah, no argument here that dropping PS2 compatiblity was a bonehead move. But on the flip side, also understandable - the 360 had a MAJOR price edge over the PS3 at the time, so it was the fastest way for them to be able to drop the price by ditching the PS2 hardware and be more competitive earlier on. Now that the dust has settled and sales are pretty darned strong (PS3 has actually been outselling the 360 most of this year), it would nice nice if they brought it back.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak Knowing Sony, they'll probably lie AGAIN saying that the PS2 is still selling....if so we both know that's just bull-shit! Honestily if they keep up like this with Sony slowily becoming the Mainframe Entertainment of technology, then I won't be surprised if 'at the end of the day' Microsoft kicked their asses for sure.
David315842 1 year ago
@David315842 The problem was, as I said, the format war. The only reason it was rushed out was to gain a foothold over HD-DVD. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they would have delayed it by a year if the format war never happened. But the bottom line is, it DID happen so they had no choice but to put it out as-is. If Sony DIDN'T rush it out the gate, we would all be stuck with the vastly inferior HD-DVD format now (lower storage capacity, less advanced features).
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak Ah I see. I thought HD DVD had the same capacity as Blu-ray, except it didn't have BD LIve features etc. Basically though Sony are just harming themselves if say someone brought a Blu-ray player, a Blu-ray disc only to find they can't play it, since it needs an upgrade and said person has no access to the internet. But I'm guessing these 'automatic updates' don't require a connection to the net then? I really do hope that's the case.
David315842 1 year ago
@David315842 No, of course they require a net connection. Where would it get the update FROM otherwise? ;) Though for the handful of people out there who still insist on being disconnected from this wired world we now live in, they can get the updates on disc from their local dealer, usually. Seriously, if they still insist on being "net-free" in this day and age where EVERYTHING is connected, I'd say that's a whole other issue that has nothing to do with Sony. It's a wired world!
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak It's not that simple I'm afraid Sean. To get the internet, you need to pay for it, clear and simple. Some can afford it (even to just having a dongle err USB stick modem device), or not. Though true nowadays most phone companies do offer duel net/phone pakages nowadays. But here I am arguing my case when I realise these people can just buy their films on DVD, it's not hi-def, but chances are people like us who are into new tech will be the ones who will want it more. Sorry Sean.
David315842 1 year ago
@David315842 Well, the sad truth of that is that the world has been moving more and more towards being wired over the past 20 years. You can't blame Sony for being a part of that. ALL technology is a part of it. Our disc-based movie players were just the last holdout. It's unfortunate, but those that can't afford to pay for even basic internet are going to be left behind. I've been net-less on occasion due to lack of funds, and it sucks. But I don't blame the world for it, it's MY problem.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@David315842 That said, it's not as bad as you think. Most current players will at least be able to play the movies out of the box, with no upgrades. That's a basic functionality that all current players have. Very few discs will be unplayable on those. The most that would happen is they may not be able to access some of the more advanced features. But basic movie playback is rarely an issue. And if it IS an issue, they can get the latest updates on disc. But such cases are rare now.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak I'm glad. ^_^ Sorry about this Sean, I do love the idea for the format (and the colour :D) though I did have my concerns but I'm glad they can be easily fixed if any issues occur, what happend with my friend was as you say a rareity, anyway she's happy with her PS3. Let's just hope Sony can get their act together about this and make a PSP Go that's compatible wth UMD's at least
David315842 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak well i know you said few, but i just have to bring this up. avatar blu ray !!! im guessing you have already heard about it. i was pissed. after all, i upgraged just for avatar.it wouldn't play and im just so angry. one of the reasons why i hate blu ray or used to is that you have all these updates. im still not really trusting where the format will lead to, will it follow the path of DVD, or will it simply just die out. im just going to make carefull purchasing decisions
adrianlindsaylohan 1 year ago