What is this guy thinking? No one has ever suggested that our knowledge of human history was so complete. Also, I fail to understand what the point if for talking about the Anasazi (the Hasazzana). It seems pointless to me.
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10,11
No you actually believed (without evidence) everything in the universe just happened. Once nothing existed and then bang (a big bang) and everything existed. Your assessment of Christianity, as laughable as it is, kind of proves your ignorance. Yet, if you can believe in evolution, it makes sense that you would believe that God is a king old man who sits on clouds. Honestly, I have no time for close minded bigots like you.... like I sad happy delusion.
@vincereestvivere Ha ha you just declared yourself the victor of a non-existant argument?? You bring religion to the table then call others delusional. But you pray to someone who's very existance is unproven??? You call me a closed minded indoctrinated bigot? Whilst you defend christianity. Religion is one of the primary tools used to control populations and has been for thousands of years. open your own mind before you judge others especially when all you know about me is a few comments.
@raybinns I only pointed out that you are quick to run your mouth but are unable to deal intelligibly (or lack thereof) of your own presuppositions. I did not bring religion the table, the video that you are commenting on did. And, yes anyone who resorts to name calling because they cannot listen to someone else point of view and willfully mischaracterizes their presuppositions out of hand is a closed minded bigot. I don't mind disagreement, but I wont argue with bigots who resort to namecallin
@vincereestvivere Hmm what is it then am I a bigot or not? Because in your own words you wont argue with bigots but you call me one (which incidentally is name calling) yet you keep coming back to argue. You have gone so far off point its shameful. You realised you can't win an argument with false statements ie saying I have made claims as to my beliefs which is clearly untrue. So you change the subject to name calling and try to make a fresh argument on an old comment. Chasing your tail much???
@vincereestvivere when did I tell you my beliefs? You just make it up as you go along and wonder why no-one takes you seriously. You make assumptions on me and spout your opinions like facts. If you can't even get the details of my comments correct why should anyone believe any of your claims? Just like all the cranks on here you have no real facts or rock solid sources. Just baseless opinion that you gladly preach to anyone who will listen. Don't like it when some resist though, do you?
@vincereestvivere I didn't state I believed either theory please feel free to read through my comments I haven't made any statements as to my beliefs. I would like nothing more than to be an idealist and pretend everything is going to be ok in the end when I go to heaven if I abide by the guide/bible. But I am a realist and its as obvious as the nose on your face that if god really does exist he must really hate us. So there will be no happy ending. The only purpose religion serves is control!
@raybinns I see, you dont opposed to the video for scientific considerations, but because you hate God. Its the same tired atheistic rhetoric, if God exists he hates us. Yet, if he compelled all men to do good you would blame him for being a mechanistic tyrant. If He left us to our vices you accuse him of being unloving. But then your wrong, if He loved in spite of justice then His love would be unjust. God will do as he pleases with his own property without reference to you or anyone else.
@vincereestvivere No I just don't believe in a God. You see I would rather try to understand how the universe came about. Even if that means I might actually have to learn something along the way. I'm searching for the truth not a cheap explanation. Simplifying it by pretending that there is a guy in the sky that made the universe is a total copout for childlike minds that can neither handle the truth or understand it. If you want to believe in fairy stories its up to you.
@vincereestvivere Here's a question, Why is it that people who want everybody to hear their religious views never want to hear anybody else's. Funny that isn't it!
@raybinns I don’t know anyone like that. I share your enthusiasm for learning and for truth. I have studied and understand evolution, creation and a host of other religions. I believe that the Christian faith is the most logical and scientific. Christianity is very complex and defines everything such as economics, science, philosophy, politics, law, education, etc. Anyone (even enemies) who call it a simplistic childlike copout don’t know much about it and are not as open minded as they led on.
@ 174basketball, If God has nothing to do with these cultures why do we spend so much time studying and speculating about their theistic systems and religious practice?
I’m pleased to see your arguments reduced to closed minded name calling instead of thoughtful dialog; it's a clear indication I’ve won. It's natural to feel insecure when evolution is challenged. The public education insures that we all begin our indoctrination with evolution before we can read. By adulthood we are thoroughly brainwashed, and accept as fact, an absurd theory that cannot be proven scientifically and violates basic laws of logic. If your comfortable with that, happy delusions.
@vincereestvivere I'm not the one who believes the world was created in 6 days and a kind old man sits on a cloud watching our every move but will damn us to hell for an eternity for not believing in him without a shred of evidence, But he really, really loves us. Yeh my delusions are totally out there and I've been indoctrinated since birth. Don't forget to go to church on sunday for your weekly fix of indoctrination and worship your erm........delusion.
Moreover, to connect these cultures to the Book of Mormon is absurd since these cultures have left no evidence of a writing system that would even remotely suggest that they “came from Jerusalem”. As someone who is adequately familiar with the anthropology involved, I don’t find that the video is at all not off base. It does not “prove” the Bible, but it does make a case against cultural evolution, which is the point. Actually, you should do your own homework before criticizing.
There are significant differences between the Anasazi and other peoples, which have led most anthropologists to conclude that the Anasazi vanished suddenly for unknown reasons. Even if you were to conclude that the Anasazi were the ancestors of the Pueblo peoples as many do, the point the video is trying to make would still be supported. (i.e. that there was a historical de-evolution of culture, contrary to the presuppositions of culture evolution.)
Not sure how this offends Native Americans, it evidences some of the remarkable achievements of ancient American culture, a far cry from the idea that they were predominantly primitive and nomadic. While there is evidence of human presence in the region a brief study will revel that they were not all the same people groups. Since they left no recorded history of themselves we only know them from what they left behind (tools, pottery, architecture, human remains, etc.).
That's a good point and I'll take that into consideration. My belief is you would still be the guilty party for not checking any facts before posting this. The one that re-posts inaccurate information is the one ultimately responsible for someone elses skewed facts. Like I said...do your homework.
This video is a disgrace and extremly inaccurate. This has nothing to do at all with biblical history. This video is an insult to Native Americans and should be to bible people also for being presented with such blatant lies. Do your homework people the Anasazi did not disappear without a trace... "evidence of human presence in the area stretches back to as early as 2900 BC."
@99cacahuate I agree about you about religions and we are not advocating a religion. We tell others about the FREE GIFT of God by faith in Jesus Christ alone. No religion is involved.
You can learn about the Anasazi and Hopi indian ancient ancestors in the Book of Mormon. They both teach in their oral traditions that their ancestors cross the 'great waters" and came "from Jerusalem" - just as the Book of Mormon testifies. The Book of Mormon also teaches that a remnant of their people left and travel to the "land in the north" and built their communities and cities from stone and clay and lived in the "land of desolation." The BoM is coming to life through Scie. and Archeol.
@the9family "They both teach in their oral traditions that their ancestors cross the 'great waters" and came "from Jerusalem" - just as the Book of Mormon testifies. "????. Please tell me where your filling your head with nonsense from, oh wait the BOM nevermind. In case you you've been living under a rock for the past few hundred years, THE ANASAZI'S ARE EXTINCT! No one has heard someone say "Im Anasazi" for a few hundred years now, I find it hard to believe their oral traditions are alive.
@the9family The Hopi's, Navajo's and Pueblo's have no word for Jerusalem. Quit spewing lies and keep your closed minded ignorance to yourself. If you want to lose your head in the book of lies, go ahead, but don't tell lies about another peoples history which is not yours to tell to begin with.
@mbenall3 : Go to the library and read their history and "legends. Google their history and do some serious research. After spending 20 years doing so, come back and let me know what you find.
@the9family After having read a few books, and apprenticing to 3 Traditional Navajo Medicine Men for over ten years, I can say that your source for Navajo history is out of place. Have a nice day fool.
this is all bullshit and straight LIES... DISINFORMATION.. They did not build those houses.. They were not HOMES but places for ceremonies. No fire could be started in these rooms for light. Too small and no ventilation. Its been proven.
This is a joke. They had nothing to do with christianity. why do christians try to hijack everything and pass it off as having christian significance? When there clearly isn't any.
@raybinns For the same reasons that evolutionist try to hijack everything and pass it off as a support of evolution. A universal system must be able to provide a universal interpretation of things. It is actually that simple.
@vincereestvivere Ok sorry!! obviously the overwhelming evidence for an omnipotent all knowing spiritual being is clearly no match for the pie in the sky logical scientific theory of evolutionary. Correct it is very simple.
@raybinns I'm glad you agree, but do not mistake evolution as either logical or scientific. It is a faith just like any other religious system. Evolution breaks down into basic faith assumptions which are unprovable by the scientific method. In reality Evolution is a popular mythology falsely propped up as science. Evolution fails as a universal system because it attempts to account for order and unity and yet presupposes a universe of chance and chaos. Christianity does not have that problem.
"Disappeared without a trace?!" You're talking about it right now! You're showing pictures of it! I'm sorry, I'm not exactly a Youtube comment leaver, but this is ridiculous! Why was the Hohokam area circled and labeled as Anasazi again??
And... what does any of this have to do with the Hebrew bible?
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Another example of blinded facts that amount in value to absolute zero! Every time your scientific theory has been tested in a federal court of law, it was was found to be junk science. So why spread these lies? Go back to the deserts and live like those who wrote your HOLEY BOOKS, You people are ruining one young life after another. STOP IT! But I am happy to say, there are more and more young people who have the courage to leave your ranks every day,
What is this guy thinking? No one has ever suggested that our knowledge of human history was so complete. Also, I fail to understand what the point if for talking about the Anasazi (the Hasazzana). It seems pointless to me.
Inari1987 3 months ago
What a twist on history, we might as well all be from Jupiter.
mbenall3 5 months ago
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That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10,11
BereanBeacon1 10 months ago
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mbenall3 10 months ago
No you actually believed (without evidence) everything in the universe just happened. Once nothing existed and then bang (a big bang) and everything existed. Your assessment of Christianity, as laughable as it is, kind of proves your ignorance. Yet, if you can believe in evolution, it makes sense that you would believe that God is a king old man who sits on clouds. Honestly, I have no time for close minded bigots like you.... like I sad happy delusion.
vincereestvivere 11 months ago
@vincereestvivere Ha ha you just declared yourself the victor of a non-existant argument?? You bring religion to the table then call others delusional. But you pray to someone who's very existance is unproven??? You call me a closed minded indoctrinated bigot? Whilst you defend christianity. Religion is one of the primary tools used to control populations and has been for thousands of years. open your own mind before you judge others especially when all you know about me is a few comments.
raybinns 11 months ago
@raybinns I only pointed out that you are quick to run your mouth but are unable to deal intelligibly (or lack thereof) of your own presuppositions. I did not bring religion the table, the video that you are commenting on did. And, yes anyone who resorts to name calling because they cannot listen to someone else point of view and willfully mischaracterizes their presuppositions out of hand is a closed minded bigot. I don't mind disagreement, but I wont argue with bigots who resort to namecallin
vincereestvivere 10 months ago
@vincereestvivere Hmm what is it then am I a bigot or not? Because in your own words you wont argue with bigots but you call me one (which incidentally is name calling) yet you keep coming back to argue. You have gone so far off point its shameful. You realised you can't win an argument with false statements ie saying I have made claims as to my beliefs which is clearly untrue. So you change the subject to name calling and try to make a fresh argument on an old comment. Chasing your tail much???
raybinns 10 months ago
@vincereestvivere when did I tell you my beliefs? You just make it up as you go along and wonder why no-one takes you seriously. You make assumptions on me and spout your opinions like facts. If you can't even get the details of my comments correct why should anyone believe any of your claims? Just like all the cranks on here you have no real facts or rock solid sources. Just baseless opinion that you gladly preach to anyone who will listen. Don't like it when some resist though, do you?
raybinns 11 months ago
@vincereestvivere I didn't state I believed either theory please feel free to read through my comments I haven't made any statements as to my beliefs. I would like nothing more than to be an idealist and pretend everything is going to be ok in the end when I go to heaven if I abide by the guide/bible. But I am a realist and its as obvious as the nose on your face that if god really does exist he must really hate us. So there will be no happy ending. The only purpose religion serves is control!
raybinns 10 months ago
@raybinns I see, you dont opposed to the video for scientific considerations, but because you hate God. Its the same tired atheistic rhetoric, if God exists he hates us. Yet, if he compelled all men to do good you would blame him for being a mechanistic tyrant. If He left us to our vices you accuse him of being unloving. But then your wrong, if He loved in spite of justice then His love would be unjust. God will do as he pleases with his own property without reference to you or anyone else.
vincereestvivere 10 months ago
@vincereestvivere No I just don't believe in a God. You see I would rather try to understand how the universe came about. Even if that means I might actually have to learn something along the way. I'm searching for the truth not a cheap explanation. Simplifying it by pretending that there is a guy in the sky that made the universe is a total copout for childlike minds that can neither handle the truth or understand it. If you want to believe in fairy stories its up to you.
raybinns 10 months ago
@vincereestvivere Here's a question, Why is it that people who want everybody to hear their religious views never want to hear anybody else's. Funny that isn't it!
raybinns 10 months ago
@raybinns I don’t know anyone like that. I share your enthusiasm for learning and for truth. I have studied and understand evolution, creation and a host of other religions. I believe that the Christian faith is the most logical and scientific. Christianity is very complex and defines everything such as economics, science, philosophy, politics, law, education, etc. Anyone (even enemies) who call it a simplistic childlike copout don’t know much about it and are not as open minded as they led on.
vincereestvivere 10 months ago
@ 174basketball, If God has nothing to do with these cultures why do we spend so much time studying and speculating about their theistic systems and religious practice?
vincereestvivere 11 months ago
@vincereestvivere "WE" don't! Just cranks like you do.
raybinns 11 months ago
I’m pleased to see your arguments reduced to closed minded name calling instead of thoughtful dialog; it's a clear indication I’ve won. It's natural to feel insecure when evolution is challenged. The public education insures that we all begin our indoctrination with evolution before we can read. By adulthood we are thoroughly brainwashed, and accept as fact, an absurd theory that cannot be proven scientifically and violates basic laws of logic. If your comfortable with that, happy delusions.
vincereestvivere 11 months ago
@vincereestvivere I'm not the one who believes the world was created in 6 days and a kind old man sits on a cloud watching our every move but will damn us to hell for an eternity for not believing in him without a shred of evidence, But he really, really loves us. Yeh my delusions are totally out there and I've been indoctrinated since birth. Don't forget to go to church on sunday for your weekly fix of indoctrination and worship your erm........delusion.
raybinns 11 months ago
Moreover, to connect these cultures to the Book of Mormon is absurd since these cultures have left no evidence of a writing system that would even remotely suggest that they “came from Jerusalem”. As someone who is adequately familiar with the anthropology involved, I don’t find that the video is at all not off base. It does not “prove” the Bible, but it does make a case against cultural evolution, which is the point. Actually, you should do your own homework before criticizing.
vincereestvivere 11 months ago
There are significant differences between the Anasazi and other peoples, which have led most anthropologists to conclude that the Anasazi vanished suddenly for unknown reasons. Even if you were to conclude that the Anasazi were the ancestors of the Pueblo peoples as many do, the point the video is trying to make would still be supported. (i.e. that there was a historical de-evolution of culture, contrary to the presuppositions of culture evolution.)
vincereestvivere 11 months ago
Not sure how this offends Native Americans, it evidences some of the remarkable achievements of ancient American culture, a far cry from the idea that they were predominantly primitive and nomadic. While there is evidence of human presence in the region a brief study will revel that they were not all the same people groups. Since they left no recorded history of themselves we only know them from what they left behind (tools, pottery, architecture, human remains, etc.).
vincereestvivere 11 months ago
That's a good point and I'll take that into consideration. My belief is you would still be the guilty party for not checking any facts before posting this. The one that re-posts inaccurate information is the one ultimately responsible for someone elses skewed facts. Like I said...do your homework.
afterhours58 1 year ago
This video is a disgrace and extremly inaccurate. This has nothing to do at all with biblical history. This video is an insult to Native Americans and should be to bible people also for being presented with such blatant lies. Do your homework people the Anasazi did not disappear without a trace... "evidence of human presence in the area stretches back to as early as 2900 BC."
afterhours58 1 year ago
@afterhours58 You should address your concerns to the producer of the video.
BereanBeacon1 1 year ago
god has absoulotly nothing to do with native culture
174basketball 1 year ago
keep europeans religions away from our native culture.
99cacahuate 1 year ago
@99cacahuate I agree about you about religions and we are not advocating a religion. We tell others about the FREE GIFT of God by faith in Jesus Christ alone. No religion is involved.
BereanBeacon1 1 year ago
@BereanBeacon1 Then this would be considered false advertising...
afterhours58 1 year ago
disappeared without a trace?? how about the puebloeans near-by? how about the Hopi you need to do your homework D-
flopperracer 1 year ago
bit of a let down at the very end .......the bible is true ....and that's it ? need more than that hun
zigsby28 1 year ago
You can learn about the Anasazi and Hopi indian ancient ancestors in the Book of Mormon. They both teach in their oral traditions that their ancestors cross the 'great waters" and came "from Jerusalem" - just as the Book of Mormon testifies. The Book of Mormon also teaches that a remnant of their people left and travel to the "land in the north" and built their communities and cities from stone and clay and lived in the "land of desolation." The BoM is coming to life through Scie. and Archeol.
the9family 1 year ago
@the9family "They both teach in their oral traditions that their ancestors cross the 'great waters" and came "from Jerusalem" - just as the Book of Mormon testifies. "????. Please tell me where your filling your head with nonsense from, oh wait the BOM nevermind. In case you you've been living under a rock for the past few hundred years, THE ANASAZI'S ARE EXTINCT! No one has heard someone say "Im Anasazi" for a few hundred years now, I find it hard to believe their oral traditions are alive.
mbenall3 10 months ago
@the9family The Hopi's, Navajo's and Pueblo's have no word for Jerusalem. Quit spewing lies and keep your closed minded ignorance to yourself. If you want to lose your head in the book of lies, go ahead, but don't tell lies about another peoples history which is not yours to tell to begin with.
mbenall3 10 months ago 2
@mbenall3 : Go to the library and read their history and "legends. Google their history and do some serious research. After spending 20 years doing so, come back and let me know what you find.
the9family 6 months ago
@the9family After having read a few books, and apprenticing to 3 Traditional Navajo Medicine Men for over ten years, I can say that your source for Navajo history is out of place. Have a nice day fool.
mbenall3 6 months ago
this is all bullshit and straight LIES... DISINFORMATION.. They did not build those houses.. They were not HOMES but places for ceremonies. No fire could be started in these rooms for light. Too small and no ventilation. Its been proven.
Vik456 1 year ago
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mbenall3 10 months ago
This is a joke. They had nothing to do with christianity. why do christians try to hijack everything and pass it off as having christian significance? When there clearly isn't any.
raybinns 1 year ago
@raybinns For the same reasons that evolutionist try to hijack everything and pass it off as a support of evolution. A universal system must be able to provide a universal interpretation of things. It is actually that simple.
vincereestvivere 11 months ago
@vincereestvivere Ok sorry!! obviously the overwhelming evidence for an omnipotent all knowing spiritual being is clearly no match for the pie in the sky logical scientific theory of evolutionary. Correct it is very simple.
raybinns 11 months ago
@raybinns I'm glad you agree, but do not mistake evolution as either logical or scientific. It is a faith just like any other religious system. Evolution breaks down into basic faith assumptions which are unprovable by the scientific method. In reality Evolution is a popular mythology falsely propped up as science. Evolution fails as a universal system because it attempts to account for order and unity and yet presupposes a universe of chance and chaos. Christianity does not have that problem.
vincereestvivere 11 months ago
@vincereestvivere Glad you cleared that up. For a moment there I thought I may have been talking to a complete crank............
raybinns 11 months ago
"Disappeared without a trace?!" You're talking about it right now! You're showing pictures of it! I'm sorry, I'm not exactly a Youtube comment leaver, but this is ridiculous! Why was the Hohokam area circled and labeled as Anasazi again??
And... what does any of this have to do with the Hebrew bible?
slaythylight 2 years ago 2
1:31 is a non sequitur.
Doliath 2 years ago
Our knowledge of man's early history is not as complete as we are often led to believe.
Bears repeating.
SounzNice 2 years ago 2
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Another example of blinded facts that amount in value to absolute zero! Every time your scientific theory has been tested in a federal court of law, it was was found to be junk science. So why spread these lies? Go back to the deserts and live like those who wrote your HOLEY BOOKS, You people are ruining one young life after another. STOP IT! But I am happy to say, there are more and more young people who have the courage to leave your ranks every day,
ktorch 2 years ago