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Even in this world rebirth can be conquered by keeping alive an impartial mind,Definitely the God is pure and alike, So, being stable in God, they reside in God.(Shri Krishna,Bhagvat Gita:Ch5Sh19). May Lord Krishna bless everybody. Also its requested to please keep opinons and scriptures separate. One is free to give opinion but in no way one should claim his opinion as the benchmark for Hinduism.
Ways to achieve Supreme(moksha) The person devoted to God, who regards well wishers, friends, enemy, neutrals, intermediaries, hateful,relatives,
pious, and sinners with and equal mind , Surpasses supreme. Whose sins have vanished because of this pure knowledge(refereing to earlier shloka), wholse mind is constantly linked to god, who is constantly in him, and who has taken refuge in him, reaches the path ofliberation from where there is no return.((Shri Krishna in Gita:Ch6Sh9,Ch5Sh17)
One who gives up all his material desires meant for satisfaction of the senses, one who lives freeing from desires and gives up his false ego, attains the state of peace and calm.
O son of parth! This is the state of godly life. On having attained this state, one does not get deluded. Even if one attains this state at the time of his death, he attains me.(Shri Krishna:Ch2Sh71,72)
And here are various way to achieve the supreme: By purifying the mind through religious performance, devotees and persons with hight morality and wisdom free themselves from the fruits of worlk and cycle of birth and death and attain the blissful supreme state. When your mind, which has become unstable by hearing the differing language of the scriptures, had becomestable, steady in regarding self-realization in God, you will attain the divine conciousness(Sri Krishna in Gita:Ch2,Sh51,53)
Heaven v/s the final destination Moakha: Preoccupied by desires, they perform numerous orientations ritualsproducing of good birth, wealth and power for the attainment of pleasure and prosperity. Minds of those which are mislead by poundering towards sense enjoyment, pleasure and material sumptuousness,and who are amazed by such things don't attain the spritual intelligence and can not concentrate in god.(Srimad bhagvat Gita:Ch2Sh43,44).
Here is references about the heaven in Srimad Bhagvat Gita:Sh2:Sh 42 O Arjuna! Men of less wisdom presume inquisitive anagoges of the Vedas and presume Heaven as teh soverein destination and argue that there is nothing beyond the heaven, and pleasures, they only gratify the statements of Vedas according to pleasure of their sense.
@mirandu1 The abrahamic religions are king religions - God made in the image of a medieval king. Get down on ur knees, beg & grovel, swear eternal loyalty to the king & be rewarded. The king says the sky is Green, followers blindly agree. This blind allegience is the reason for terrorism.
Hinduism,Buddhism are Teacher faiths - our goal is Moksha - Knowledge, Enligtenment, which must always be EARNED, no begging or groveling! The Teacher says the sky is Green, every Hindu MUST disagree.
@reenkoogrewal Pl do not do that. Pl do not look to God as an escape hatch. Things are bad here, but u have to fight to make it better. People like Gandhiji, Mother Teresa, MLK, Sardar Patel, many brave soldiers, police, fire fighters have faught or are fighting to make this a better world. This is why we are reborn. Other religions make easy promises of a nice heaven to run off to - like mountains that look smooth from afar. Let's not be cowards, let's not be weak.
@reenkoogrewal Heaven is a place for bodily pleasures - sex, booze & gluttony. A Hindu's goal is Moksha - Enlightenment, Knowledge, union with God. But u cannot beg for Moksha - it has to be Earned! Hinduism is harder, tougher. While others run thru the back door, Hindus rush to the front to fight. Let's stay, let's fight for a better earth alongside God. God is not "upthere", but right here on earth.
@ramaraksha01 May I ask where you get your information from? It seems misinformed. In future, post a better explanation for those new to Hinduism or don't post such oversimplifications. Man certainly does not go to heaven for drinking booze, and other indulgences, so why would heaven be made up of of such things???
@jasmitsingh1993 I am basically going by what some people believe - 72 virgins waiting for example. Bottom line it is a nice place - nice weather, nice music, no hunger, no pain or suffering. Every desire fulfilled & some people do have earthly desires
The thing is that Heaven does not seem to be a place which is EARNED-u can beg&grovel ur way in, no qualification necessary, sort of like hitting the lottery-u can have everything u desire if u have money
Think of it this way - say u are rich - u can have sex, booze, women, all the pleasures of the flesh
But then u go & listen to Mohd Rafi or MS Subbalaxmi sing - can u buy their singing ability? No u can't - it has to be Earned ! U want to sing like them, u have to put in the work!
Moksha is the awakening of the Heart, Mind & Soul - u cannot beg for it, nor can it be given. It is a state of mind, not a place - that is the diff between Heaven & Moksha
@jasmitsingh1993 Did these explanations help? Let me know if they did not & I will post further or u can watch my videos & get a feel for what i am saying.
@Jaydxt08 I feel sad that most religions of today urge their followers to give up on life. They have built elaborate castles in the air, a sugar daddy god ready to cater to millions of selfish, uncaring cowards.
Hinduism is Harder, Tougher. Instead of running away to that nice imaginary Hawaii "upthere" it asks u to choose life. Who in his right mind would choose pain & suffering? A Buddha would. A Mother Teresa would. A Gandhiji would. The ordinary policeman, soldier, fire fighter would
@Jaydxt08 It is because of millions of good people all over the world that life is better for the rest of us. Choose to make a difference. Do not be a coward&run away. Fight, fight for a better world. Choose Karma&Rebirth. A Hindu dies, he comes right back. He chooses to be with God. Walk with God. Fight alongside God, fight pain&suffering. Life Stinks? Let's work hard and make things better.
Any fool can sit & praise God, but Blessed are the Hindus that aim to Earn Praise FROM God!
@reenkoogrewal u coward! God gave u a body and good health to fight and live, dont beg u asshole! make use of ur brain and stop crying...even the physically challenged are living happily, even the mad, not to forget the terminally ill people, trying to embrace life to its fullest...r u without soul or wat?
Here are some reference from Srimad Bhagvat Gita translated by Sri Prabhupada.
Just as in the physical body of the embodies being is the process of childhood, youth and old age; similarly by the transmigration from one body to another the
wise are never deluded;ch2,V13
O Arjuna, only the interaction of the senses and sense objects give cold, heat, pleasure and pain.These things are temporary, appearing and disappearing;
Jaise Chaand aur Suraj mei tulna nahi ki jaa sakti usi prakaar do bhakto mei tulna nahi ki jaa sakti fir chaahe unme se ek sakaam ko maanta ho aur dusra nishkaam ko!
aur fir aap dono dekhiye ki aap behas kaha kar rahe hai kaun se bhajan mei Jag mei sundar hai do naam Chahe Krishna kaho ya Ram..! ab aage aap dono hi itne samajhdaar hai ki mera kuch shabdo ka nuksaan hoga
@NewEye2World I 100% agree brother, sorry for any inconveniences caused. May God bless everyone(Sarve bhavantu sukhinah). Jai Sri Krishna, Jai Shri ram.
And you both are very high qualtiy PRO's So, my request to both of you is that please stop arguing on this as there is no use of arguing just for the sake of arguement.
I would like to add both of you gyanis in my friend list. I would be more than happy if you please respect each other for their point of view instead of getting frustrated and talking politely is covering your real good self.
@NewEye2World lol thank u for saying i am a gnani but no, i see myself as a seeker. Please, as long as we discuss things in a friendly way, we can only help each other. I have grown as a person by listening to people who have disagreed with me. If one only listens to people who agree with them, one stops growing.
Pl post in english ur thoughts if u can, I know a bit of Hindu but not enugh to follow ur thoughts. thanks
jo science ne pichle 10 saalo mei hi bataaya vo to humare shastro mei croro saal pehle ho chuka..aur jo aaj se hajaaro saal baad hogaaa vo bhi humare shasstro mei already hai..to aapko jitna pustako ka gyan ho utne hi aapke chakshu khulenge aur aap apne gyan ki roshni se dusro ki buddhi pade parde hataaoge. And you both are very high qualtiy PRO's .., ye to publicity hai Bhagwaan ki Marketing.
Geeta shri ka ek shlok jisne jeewan mei sun bhi liye use bhi Bhagwaan moksh ke dwaar khol deta hai
to humare dharm grantho ko padh ke gyan arjit karna sabse bada gyan hai kyuki jo aaj insaan ne nahi awishkaar kiya vo aaj se 100 saal baad hogaa. Fro eg.,aaj surrogate mother ya test tube baby ka concept hai to kya kartikaye Shiv Shanker aur Gauri ke putr Kartikaiye test tube baby nahi thee, kya Krishna bhagwan ke bade bhaai Balraam surrogate mother se paida nahi hue?
mumkin nahi kyuki Yashoda Maiyya ka Kishnaa se laad Devki Maa ki mamta ya Radha Krishna ka pyar moh maaya ke sabse bade udahran hai
Aaj hume ghar mei baccha chahiye to hum kehte hai..bhaii ek laddu gopal aa jaaye humare ghar....ye bhakti bhi hai moh bhi. aajkal itne Guru hai market mei..satsang hote hai..kirtan hote hai gharo mei..mandiro mei puja hoti hai pravachan hoti hai..agar insaan koi lalach nahi to kya moh maaya se chutkaara bhi kya lalach nahi.?
par bhakti aapne garibi mei kam puja samagri ke saath ya bina kisi samagri ke ki ya khuub saare chadhaawe se ki dhanyavaad mei ki ya much maang rakh ke ki..vo to bhakti hi hai.Aap agar ye ummeed kare ki bina karam kiye Narad Muni ban jaaye to to aapko haridwaar mei jaa ke Naga Saadhhu banna padega ya kuch aur kare..manushya janam lekar aap moh maaya mei naa pade..
@ARVIND276 and @ ramaraksha#1# RamaKrishna aur Arvindjee Namashkaar! Hare Krishna! Radhe Radhe! Hari Om!
Om Shanti Shanti Shanti!!
Aap dono ke kuch kichar meine padhe..dono hi ke vichaar acche hai..aapko ek dusre ko apni baat manwaane ki apne ko sahi saabit karne ki jarurat nahi kyuki aap dono hi sahi hai. Jeewan mei puja bhakti aur karm dono hi mahatv rakhte hai.
Maana ki bina lalach aap bhakti kare to uska jayada mol hai.
For Men of Understanding --None has the right to be worship but Allah & Muhammad [Pbuh] is his Messenger. [God is All Knowing, All wise, Just & merciful but not fool. So God created Mankind & given “free will” with just one life, provided complete guidance in form of the Holy Quran & Prophet Muhammad [Pbuh].To Judge whether Mankind will believe & establish worship in unseen Creator or not. So Believer will go to Eternal Heaven & Disbeliever will go to Hell Forever. Just read Holy Quran.
Heaven: A place of bodily pleasures - Sex, food, drink, lying in the sun on the beach. No qualifications needed. Hit the lottery & u can have it all here on earth.
Moksha: Education, Enlightenment, Knowledge - a flowering of the mind. To compose music like Mozart, to think like Einstein, write beautiful poetry, to sing like MS. It is not begged for nor given, it has to be EARNED! No amount of money can get u Moksha.
@ramaraksha01 Also, Heaven is not the end and a person when complete time there returns back birth cycle, Moksha is the freedom from karma cycle and soul resides in vicinity of supreme lord forever. No human either doing good work or bad work can be free from birth cycle. Only when someone's karma becomes Niskam, and the constant faith in supreme, he gets moksha.
@ARVIND276 I have a diff opinion - As Gandhiji said, I desire neither Heaven nor Moksha - I think there is a purpose to human life - not to just run away from here & yes those far away cliffs look so smooth don't they? Gandhiji faught for justice & paid with his life, but in ur opinion, he is less a person than one who managed to balance his debits & credits? Does that make sense to u? So a person born if he does nothing all his life, he gets Moksha? That's the way out because life is terrible?
@ramaraksha01 I don't know, whether you really understand Nishkam Karma and taking it like "Akarma". Gandhi is the perfect example who did the Nishkam Karma. He did everything for others and for nations and almost nothing for himself(..ma karma fal hetur bhurmah". Doing nothing is "Akarma". ("...Te sango astya Karmani". Akarma is a dangerous as it stops all the funtions of univese and leads to decline to everything. Brother if you cant understand better to look for it. Its written in Gita.
@ramaraksha01 I really could not understand, you differ for what? Do you disagree with Nishkam Karma or do you disagree to have faith in Supreme? You clarify first and then I would comments. But it appears to me that perhaps you taken meaning of Nishkam Karma as "Akarma" . There is no need to look for any cliff as this is a selfish behavior and involves human desires into karma and make him the doer(hetu) and invariably he is bounded with fruits more.
@ramaraksha01".. but in ur opinion, he is less a person than one who managed to balance his debits & credits?" -- I don't know from which of my statement you got this meaning. Gandhiji is one of the best example of doing Nishkam Karma. Doing nothing is "Akarma" and it is a sin. Anybody involved in Akarma is going to decline. You have got terribly wrong meaning of Nishka Karma. Suggested to read Bhagvat Giga about it and don't jump to conclusion to show your ignorance.
@ramaraksha01" I desire neither Heaven nor Moksha - I think there is a purpose to human life - not to just run away from here & yes those far away cliffs look so smooth don't they?"--Your statement is correct though not complete. No desire for heaven or Moksha itself is the nishkam karma( karma with no desire), though differ from you to take this human life as end. There are many other complexity in it. First of all Who am I, am I a body or something more than a body?
@ARVIND276 "But yes, its a great limitations if you try to convince me that this physical existence is everything life is all about"
Why are we here? Why were we born? Why did God give us Life? So that we can balance our debits & credits & run away? Is it all about me? How do "I" get to Moksha? Don't u think that's selfish?
I think everything is right here - Heaven & Hell are right here - not "upthere" where u spend a "little" bit of time. If we want Heaven on earth, we need to make it happen
@ramaraksha01 "Why did God give us Life? So that we can balance our debits & credits & run away?"--Well balancing debit & credit is not the great work and also looking for moksha is selfish too? Somebody looking for rmoksha and doing nothing or selfish thing is not going to get moksha at all. Rather I agree with you that one should not do things for himself but for people, society, country and whole world. I don't think its prescribed in any scripture to balance debit and credit & run.
@ramaraksha01" I think everything is right here - Heaven & Hell are right here "--Although I don't agree that everything ends here, but still your logic is completely fine that one should do everything to make this earth a heaven and as I told you earlier, this is the purpose of all teaching, spirituality and scriptures. I again say, there is no contradiction from what you are saying. But yes, many of your concepts are very limited which in turn leads to many complexities.
@ARVIND276 How did Japan, a resource poor country become a rich country, whereas a resource rich country like Nigeria remains poor? It's about the people - working hard, making the right decisions, sacrifices, effort & sweat - the Japanese are famous for working hard - putting in 12, 14 hours work days - they have banished poverty in their country. Instead of thinking how u can get to Moskha - maybe think more about how u can help ur fellow man
@ramaraksha01 "How did Japan...."--Yes, I agree, where is the contradiction, you are just repeating same thing."Instead of thinking how u can get to Moskha..." I don't know who told you, that you will think of moksha and you will get moksha. Please correct your fact. Thiking of moksha is a selfish behaviour and in turn corrupt your actons. I think you did not get the meaning of moksha or Nishkam karma or anything related, and making some arguments which are not upto the mark.
@ramaraksha01 Nishkam->Nih(no) + Kam(lust, desire). So Nishkam means without lust, without desire. Nishkam Karma, means Karma without lust or desire. I don't know you disagree what? Rather whatever you are saying about hard work is completely right and there is no contradictions. All great people have dedicated their life making this world better and bring ever lasting peace and your examples are completely fine,this is the best use of life, where is the contradiction brother!!!!
@ARVIND276 U keep posting this Nishkama Karma - how exactly can this be possible? Gandhiji was driven by the desire to see his fellow countrymen free from bondage. People like Mother Teresa & Jimmy Carter worked or are working 20 hours a day, so that the poor & unfortunate can have a better life. Their desire is to see a better earth. There is nothing wrong with having desires - that is what makes us human - it is desire that has driven human progress so far.
@ramaraksha01 "U keep posting this Nishkama Karma..."Though Nishkam is self explanatory, but I don't know why its so difficult for you to get this meaning. Also its reference is available everywhere. In Bhagvat gita perticularly in chapters 2,3,5,8,1618 there are lot of reference. I don't think I should try to explain you here because I am sure it will go against your own ego, better you find yourself.
@ramaraksha01 "There is nothing wrong with having desires...." Desires have not only brought human to progress it has brought the immense loss of life and property over all centuries. Desires in turn can lead to many things, like lust, passion, jealosy, anger etc. That is where the "Nishkam" karma is superiour. It make sure that karma is going to bring only and only peace and prosperity and nothing else.
@ARVIND276 Nishkama Karma sounds good in theory but I can't see it being practiced. Only when u care about something so passionately, only then will u be putting in the effort. There is nothing wrong with an intense desire to become say a physician or an engineer - the tests are so hard, the competition immense - when u get bad marks in a test - u MUST feel the pain. It is the pain that will propel u to work harder. My own story - i have an accounting degree. In this field, u can get 100 out...
@ramaraksha01 Well, It appears that you like arguments just for arguments sake. I don't know somehow you are not able to understand Karma, Nishkam Karma, dharma, duties, yagna, charity, denounciation of fruits. And only because you are not able to understand few things, you think it is theoretical. This whole debate was for Moksha, I don't know, if you can't understand Nishkam Karma, then how you can debate for Moksha? It is still suggested to do more research on matter than arguing.
@ramaraksha01 "There is nothing wrong with an intense desire...." whose says its' wrong? Did I say. But desires has its fruits attached with it and then there is either happiness of sadness attached with it. If somebody fine with this then its fine, who is saying that it is wrong, rather you are using these words, I did not. Anyone who performs duties honestly does Nishkam karma, this is the simplest way of understanding Nishkam karma, and please don't say that duty is theoretical.
@ramaraksha01 :"Nishkama Karma sounds good in theory ..." Completely wrong. As I told you the simplest meaning of Nishkam Karma is to do duties honestly. And everybody knows the meaning of duties by the way. Honestly performed duties are the pillar of welfare of society. No matter at what position and in what capacity if a person performs his duties honestly it always going to bring welfare for everybody. Rather society face problems when one or other duties are not performed honestly.
@ramaraksha01 "i have an accounting degree..." :), do you want me to comment on this? well, for your introduction I am an engineer, and I know what does it mean by theory, hypothesis, and a law. I also know what are the basis of science. I also knows where science fails? And by the way, I know every in and out of computer and playing with it every day and night.
@ramaraksha01 "There is nothing wrong with an intense desire to become say a physician or an engineer..." Who is saying it is wrong, but then when you have desires who are also attached with the reaction emerging out of the results, which yourself is mentioning. In case of Nishkam, that pain is not there, that's the advantage. Its not a compulsion brother. You may choose and you may not choose.By saying that Nishkam a theory, shows how ignorance you are?
@ramaraksha01 Passion and desires have many branches, both towards happiness and sorrow.They are part of physical senses and so extremely prone to errors. Sometime, they cause disaster even in the state of success. Ravan himself was extermely knowlegable, but only thing leads to disaster was his ego, "Eko aham, dwitiyo na asti, na bhuto and bhavasyati" I am the one, nobody else can be like me, either in past or in future.This what he was saying.
@ramaraksha01 Both Ram and Ravan was Gyani, but Inspite of the best worrier in eternity, he never used his actions for his desires but only for others. He was extremely polite and able to respect even the downiest in the society,because he was free from Kam, whatever Lord Ram did was the Nishkam and all actions for others. On other hand, Ravan who was equally qualified and worrier, but his all actions was driven by his desires, lust and ego. He became the reason of destruction.
@ramaraksha01 Fact is that I did not disagree with most of the facts you put, but you like to engage in Kutarka only for your the satisfaction of your ego, rather than the facts. I talked about all established facts and whatever referenced in scriptures and being explained by many of the scholars. Besides that, these concepts are pretty clear to many, its a bit strange you are doing debate on such a clear concepts.
@ramaraksha01 The concept of Nishkam karma is one of the basic pillars of Hinduism. If you counter them, then you are free to write parallel concepts and leave it to people how much they agree with your enlighten concepts. I would certainly read your concepts. There is nothing wrong in what you believe and hence there is no need to argue. Yes, if due to ego you take it to personal fight then its another matter, This is not the right place for that.
@ramaraksha01 Nobody say that Desires are wrong, but when we talk of Supreme peace, Moksha and all beneficial work then one has to consider between Desires, sacrifice, charity and yagna. Obviously all sacrifice, charity and yagna are superior than desires. And I repeat again, Nishkam karma is only the best form of karma which gaurantee everlasting peace and its not to denounce karma, which is called as "Akarma". You again and again taking Nishkam karma as "Akarma" its not.
@ARVIND276 of 100, but it is very hard to do. I remember one yr when i got what for me were bad marks. I cried that day. Some others would be delighted to have those marks. But that's the point - u set high, impossible goals - u feel pain when u fail & it is those who set high goals that usually fail - but it is also these people who will succeed. Nishkama Karma sounds good in theory, but doesn't work in practice.
@ramaraksha01 " u feel pain when u fail .....but it is also these people who will succeed. Nishkama Karma sounds...." Check again, don't mix facts. Its not those people who feel pain or down with sorrow who succeed, rather those people who who win over the pain. if fail then try again, and try hard. Don't mix things. Success or failure traces many paths. But if Karma is Nishkam a person is not effected with failures. Success/Failure is not the debate. stick to subject. and don't extend topics,
@ARVIND276 "Human ascends or descends as per his karma" - that's the basic carrot & stick method - that's the method other religions use. I don't want Hinduism to descend to that level. Basically I see Hinduism as a Teacher faith - our goal is Moksha - Enlightenment, Knowledge. Those who do bad karmas stay behind, they are not punished but basically they learn less. Those who do good are "rewarded" with more knowledge.
@ramaraksha01" Those who do bad karmas stay behind, they are not punished but basically they learn less. Those who do good are "rewarded" with more knowledge. .." This is completely true, I agree, though there is more than this but this is true. Even earlier I agreed. Ascends and descends have same meaning by the way, you are saying same things, though ascends and descends include few more things, but substance is same.
@ramaraksha01 "our goal is Moksha - Enlightenment, Knowledge...." Yes this is true, though there is more, but I'd not extend the debate and rather agree with it. I just request one thing, that keep your opinion as opinion when you does not refer it to some scripture, and don't confuse people by saying that your opinion is Hinduism Your or my opinion may be wrong.
@ARVIND276 U are using a computer & the internet - how did these come about? A desire by people to invent something, to have money, to have a better life, to make themselves famous - whatever it is - billions thank them today! Billions have benefited by these inventions, billions today make a living because of these men's desires.
Don't blindly read a book - think. Ask questions. Hinduism is a Teacher faith. God is waiting for ur questions. Think & Ask.
@ramaraksha01 "U are using a computer......" I don't know you are referring in what context and what you expecting anybody to comment on this? Karma is one of the biggest principle of Hinduism and all scripture tell human to do his duties as per his ability and inherent nature. Everybody would like to agree with the examples you have given. And of course Hinduism is teacher faith.
@ramaraksha01 Listen brother, its no use to make this post which is meant to listen to music as personal debate room. I understand, I wrongly add sentence to your comments not realizing that you might take something very personal. Its better end everything here. Smashing lemon beyond a limit make it bitter. Its not great to make this as a egoistic fight. Words might have different meaning, but I never had intention to challenge you. I talked only about well established facts and nothing else.
@ARVIND276 "Obviously all sacrifice, charity and yagna are superior than desires"
Not really - as i posted the computer, internet that u are using were the product of desires - u may call them selfish but the benefit to mankind is superior to any charity or sacrifice.
Pl see my video - 1000 mother teresa's or Bill Gates' - if God came down & gave u the choice of Mother Teresa or Bill Gates? - the correct choice here is Bill Gates!
@ramaraksha01 "Obviously all sacrifice, charity and yagna are superior than desires....Not really" I really doubt you know even the meaning of sacrifice, and yagna" and it appears either you don't bother to find the meaning or your afraid that if you find the exact meaning it may go against your own ego, because you have taken very cheap and superficial meaning of such noble words. The acts of bill gates is one category of sacrifice and so is mother Teresa's acts.
@ramaraksha01 "the choice of Mother Teresa or Bill Gates? - the correct choice here is Bill Gates....." really? there is a poem of Great poet Rahim" ... jahan kam ave sui kahan kare tarwari"-- You can't use the sword where needle is required.I afraid by giving such examples you are showing very childish behavior, Bill gates and Mother Teresa belong to two different domains and hence can't be compared, both of them are respectable people. What you expect anyone can argue with you?
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: ch4 V26: Celibates offer for sacrificial oblations the sense such as hearing and seeing into the fire of renunciation; householders offer the objects of the sense such as pleasing sounds and pleasant sights into the fire of the senses.
ch4 V27: Monists offer into the fire of self-purification of the mind by yoga; ignited by the urge for self-realization; all the sense and their actions as well as the life breath and its functions.
@ramaraksha01 "as i posted the computer, internet that u are using were the product of desires.." you are playing with the words and mixing the meanings. Discoveries are the examples of sacrifices where a person sacrificed his time, efforts and sometime money. Though few of them done for the purpose or war and destructive in nature. Any discoveries which is attached with lust is extremely dangerous, one has to know this.
@ramaraksha01 "if God came down & gave u the choice of Mother Teresa or Bill Gates?..." Bill Gates and mother Teressa are distinguished personalities from different domains and can't be compared. Bill Gates can't give something which Mother Teressa has given and vice-versa. Its like comparing Doctor with Engineer. You are showing example of an ugly debate. Nobody has confusion about the roles played by Bill gates and Mother Teressa. Its childish comparison.
@ramaraksha01 Earlier you try to give impression that you really know about Hinduism, but from your words it appears that you are doing more harm to religion. Your confusion about basic terminologies, mixing of meaning of words is too naive in nature. Desires, sacrifice, charity, passion are well defined words, Also they are defined in religious text in certain contexts and while using such words one must maintain same contexts. You are faltering extremely with even normal use of words.
@ARVIND276 Pl don't take this the wrong way - u talk about Nishkama Karma - yet all u want to do is escape from here. The Buddha left his palace & embraced pain & suffering, Gandhiji could have had a nice life as a lawyer, making good money, yet he chose to suffer for the greater good.
Diseases don't go away by themselves, Hitler didn't decide to kill himself voluntarily - Don't see to run away from pain & suffering, the birth cycle - instead seek to do yr part to end pain & suffering.
@ramaraksha01 "Pl don't take this the wrong way - u talk about Nishkama Karma - yet all u want to do is escape from here..." Don't make such statement, its very very childish. This post is to listen the great Bhajan by great singer and not our personal debate blog. Discussions are fine till they are discussion, the moment any discussion turns into a ugly debate(Kutarka) its wise to end such debates rather than stretching.
@ramaraksha01 "The Buddha left his palace & embraced pain & suffering, Gandhiji could have had a nice life as a lawyer..." you are putting these noble people's example in completely wrong way. Their life is self explanatory and nothing need to be debated on that. I afraid, you did not understand the life of either Buddha, Gandhi, Mother Teressa or Bill Gates. They are great human of their time attaining the highest point in their domain. All of them are highly respectable human.
@ramaraksha01 "Gandhiji could have had a nice life as a lawyer, making good money, yet he chose to suffer for the greater good..." I don't know you are referring to what? His life is a perfect example of supreme karma, duty and sacrifice. Anybody following any of these examples or Lord Ram, Lord Krishna, Lord Budha, Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Bill gates, is going to server society in one way or other. There is no need to develop any kind of confusion and no need of any arguments..
@ramaraksha01 ?Don't see to run away from pain & suffering, the birth cycle..." Please don't enter into such subject again. I can see, you have lot of difficulty in understanding meaning of even basic terminologies. Discussing birth cycle, whether it is good or bad, is not required. Whatever you are saying is completely fine and I myself agree that one should do everything to make this earth better. I don't see there is any need of argument here.
@ramaraksha01 "The Buddha left his palace & embraced pain & suffering..." Well I don't know what you are trying to convey, but pain and suffering was not his goal, rather Buddha was looking for the solution for the suffering and pain, and for your kind knowledge the very first thing he found out was that,the desire is the reason of suffering. Please go and find it out, the basic principles of Buddha. Again here I don't mean to debate on that, but you must take care while putting examples.
@ramaraksha01 You have put example of all great people but still you seem to have lot of confusions of terminologies and the substance. Everybody take Lord Ram's and Lord Krishna's life as examples without any debate and confusion. Their lives are bigger than any philosophy and knowledge. Knowing them even a bit is enough to make a human life peaceful. Many a times you seem to be mixing facts and example with each other in completely complex and wrong way. Please correct that.
@ramaraksha01 "u want to do is escape from here..." I want to end Kutarka, its a completely different forum, to listen music. Also discussions are to learn something rather than for the sake or argument. Its not that I push my ideas and pack this forums with my words. I want to end because I don't want to bother other respectable people here. Also its wise for a person to keep away from Mud. Moving round a circle is going to lead nowhere. Its fine for me if you like to feel victorious.
@ramaraksha01 Here are some reference from Srimad Bhagvat Gita translated by Sri Prabhupada.
Just as in the physical body of the embodies being is the process of childhood, youth and old age; similarly by the transmigration from one body to another the
wise are never deluded;ch2,V13
O Arjuna, only the interaction of the senses and sense objects give cold, heat, pleasure and pain.These things are temporary, appearing and disappearing;
@ramaraksha01 References: O noblest of men, that person of wise judgment equipoised in happiness and distress, whom cannot be distrubred by the these is certainly eligible for liberation. Ch2, V15
Morever considering your righteousness you should not falter; indeed for upholders or justice there does not exist a more appropriate endeavor then a battle for righteousness ch2 V31
@ramaraksha01 Reference Gita: However if you do not engage in this war for righteousness then abondoning your natural spiritual duty and reputation will incur sinful reaction ch2 V33.
O Arjuna I have exaplained to you this spiritual intelligence regarding the nature of the soul; now listen to this science of actions,
without fruitive desires by which spiritual intelligence is endowed completely releasing you from the boundage of reactions from actions ch2 v 39
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: In this yoga, O Arjuna spiritual intelligence is firmly resolved and exclusive, but the intellect of those full of material desires indeed has unlimited diverse branches: ch2 V41.
You certainly have the right fro prescribed but never at anytime in their results. You should never be motivated by the results of teh actions, nor should there be any attachment in not doing your prescribed activities: ch2 V47
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: O Arjuna, established in teh science of yoga in actions, perform your activies giving up attachement and become equipoised in both success and failure. This equianimity is known as the science of uniting the individual consciousness with the ultimate consiouseness ch2 V48
A person can never achieve freedom from reactions to activities without first performing perscribed Vedic duties; neither can perfection be attained by
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: One cannot remain without engaging in activity at any time, even for a moment; certainly all living entities are helplessly compelled to action by the qualities endowed by material nature. Ch 3 V5
but anyone who regulates the sense by the mind O Arjuna, begins the science of uniting the individual consciousness with the Ultimate Consciousness by the actions of the working sense organs without the desires for results, he is superior.ch 3. v7
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: Therefore without attachment, without interuption, perfectly perform prescribed actions; since by performing prescribed actions a person achieve the highest good. ch 3 V19
By perfomring prescribed activities Kind Janaka and others cetainly realized complete perfection; likewise you should perform as well considering for the sake of benefiting the welface or the world ch3 V20
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: Those human beings who always execute regularly these injunctions of Mine with full faith, without envy; all of them become free from the boundage of reactions from actions. ch3 V31Even a knowledgeable person acts according to his own nature; all living entities are controlled by their own natures; What can repression accomplish? ch3 V33.
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: Attractions and aversion of the sense to their corresponing sense objects is unavoidable; one should not be controlled by them; since they are obstactles in one's path Ch3.V34.Performing one's natural prescribed duty tinged with faults is far better than performing anothers prescribed duty perfectly; even death in performing one's natural prescribed duty is better; for performing prescribed duties of others is fraught with danger. Ch3. V35.
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: Arjuna said: what is it that incites one to commit sinful acts even against one's will as if compelled by force? ch3V36Lord Krsna Said: It is lust which becomes anger arising from the mode of passion;know this lust to be insatiable; extremely sinful and the greatest in this world Ch 3.V 37
O Arjuna, the discrimination of even the knowledgeable is covered by this perpetual enemy in the form of lust, which is like an insatiable fire. Ch 3 v39
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: It is declared that the senses, the mind and the intelligence are the stronghold of this lust, covering one's discriminiation this enemy of lust deludge the living entities ch3 V 40
ch 4. V19: One whose every undertaking is devoid of motivation for fruitive desires and sense gratification and who has incinerated all activities in the fire of pure knowledge; the spiritually intelligence describe him as educated.
@ramaraksha01 References Gita;ch 4 V22: Satisfied with whatever comes by its own accord; tolerant of dualities, devoid of envy to others and while performing is equipoised in suceess or failure is never affected.
ch4 V25: karma-yogis following the parth of yoga by actions engge in worship offering sacrifices to the demigods only; Jnana-yogis worship perfectly by invoking offering of sacrifice into the sacrificed fire of the Ultimate Truth, as sacrifice itself.
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: ch4 V28: Thre are others donationg their possessions in charity as sacrifice; performing austerities and penance as sacrifice, practicing the eightfold mystic yoga system as sacrifice and studying the Vedas and aquiring trascendental knowledge as sacrifice; all enlightened beings and performers of strict vows;
@ramaraksha01 References Gita:ch4 V29: Some other offer the outgoing breath to the incoming breath and the incoming breath to the outgoing breath; in this way checking the flow of both the incoming and outgoing breaths they ardously practice breath control. Others strictly reducing their food intake offer the sense into the life breath.
ch4 V31: O Arjuna, one who perfoms no sacrifice is not fit for this world let alone the heavenly worlds.
@ramaraksha01 "u want to do is escape from here...." There is one sloka "Sathe sathyam sam acharet" "Rude people only understand rudeness" Do you want one to be rude with you and then you will understand. There is other saying "Neem hakim khatraye jaan" (Half doctor is dangerous to life). If you have more question you can still go to some experts rather than engaging into argument over noble subjects. It means you are not interested in knowing but arguments and fights.
@ramaraksha01 "The Buddha left his palace & embraced pain & suffering.." Buddha left his ;lace because all physical possession could not give him peace. As per your example, he could have still done good to masses by becoming king and doing good in Bill Gates styles. Your example is answer to your own question. Success or any physical possession are not the guarantee or peace and joy.That is why even after many Bill Gates, Mother Teressas are required always.
@ARVIND276 "Success or any physical possession are not the guarantee or peace and joy" - again u miss the point - it's not about individual happiness - it's not about what makes ME, the "I", happy. Poor countries are driven with crime, hopelessness, pain & suffering. This is where Bill Gates comes in - A lot of people go to bed with their bellies full because of Bill Gates. Don't run away from society - don't seek to find an escape.
@ramaraksha01 "Success or any physical possession are not the guarantee or peace and joy" - again u miss the point -"" I am also not talking about individual happiness, I am also talking about mass. All these scientific development, could not guarantee peace and that is why Mother Teressa was required. Its not about individual, its about society.
@ramaraksha01 "A lot of people go to bed with their bellies full because of Bill Gates..." I'd not like to extend but there is much more to it. He is the richest and having so much money, why do he need so much money? If he was doing a little Nishkam, he might have done lot more good to people. "Good is not good where better is expected" He could have done better, if he could remove few lust of wealth. But yes this is not the debate, he is respectable everybody knows.
@ramaraksha01 "Don't run away from society - don't seek to find an escape. ..." You repeat it again and again.Give me the reference of any scripture which tells a human to run away. All scriptures tells human to indulge in good and pure karma and to do everything to make every creature on this earth. You created this sentence yourself and then contradict yourself. When did I say that one should run away. Its all about the topic, and I discussed as per that.
@ramaraksha01 "I urge u to slow down, stop putting people down who have diff views .." See, you are free to have your views and so are others. But in no circumstances you can ever claim that your views are Hinduism. Hindu philosophy is well established and well documented and while discussion you can give the reference. If you are giving your opinion then call it opinion not Hinduism, because there are others Hindus too, it not just you alone.
@ramaraksha01 Brother, I did not contradict your views, rather I agreed to most of them. You created contradiction out of nothing and then went so far to contradict the base of philosophy and established scriptures. You must take care, because its very serious matter.Doing good for earth is extremely good thing and I agree always with you.There is no contradiction as such, rather I respect you that you have simple way of knowing thing, but please take care before contradiction bigger truths..
@ramaraksha01 "Don't see to run away from pain & suffering, the birth cycle..." Its not about somebody is running. Its about what is the fact. Birth cycle exists . Somebody wants to go into cycle or not is individual choice. There is a divine law, one take it fine, if not then fine too. But if somebody want Moksha then Nishkam karma is one of the ways. There are other ways too. That's it. Nobody is saying to run away. You add words into others mouth.
@ARVIND276 wow that was a lot to digest. I guess we will agree to disagree. U have called me a lot of rude, hurtful words - i see a mind that is a bit closed & not open to new ideas.
U talk so much about Nishkama karma & all that stuff about the Gita - I see only one person that all this is benefitting - just u - how do I get to Moksha?
I have a diff view of Hinduism - one that is earth centered - God is here, while others seek to run away to greener pastures, Hinduism asks us to....
@ramaraksha01 "I see only one person that all this is benefitting - just u - how do I get to Moksha..." You are again getting personal. I am benefiting or not, its none of your business. But don't own a religion. Its not me, rather you are closed minded, on the name of openness you are trying to propagate wrong concepts. All of your examples are wrongly placed. And its you who dragged me into discussion. I did not contradict your statement, rather you contradicted whole Hindu philosophy.
@ramaraksha01 "I have a diff view of Hinduism...." You are free to have your views and so I am I and anybody, but don't try to challenge a well established philosophy which has been nurtured by thousand of great Rishis. Also your views are very short sighted and and some point of time confusion. How one can compare between Mother Teressa and Bill Gates and what can be proved out of it. Can something wrong in biology is going to prove a law in physics. Its rubbish comparison.
@ramaraksha01 "while others seek to run away to greener pastures, Hinduism asks us to...." Again you falter, you never know what others want and yes don't try to say what Hinduism ask, maximum you can say what your views, your views are not Hinduism. You must understand this fact. Hinduism is there to everybody, to read and know, Don't say that your words are Hinduism. Karma does not mean to run away, that is called Akarma, and its not that difficult to understand.
@ramaraksha01 "wow that was a lot to digest. I guess we will agree to disagree. U have called me a lot of rude, hurtful words .." I never meant to extend. You dragged me twice. You must try to make a limit, if you break limits then you must be ready for infinite. I called rude, because you became personal. In fact I agreed with most of your views, you recreated contradictions and put words in my mouth, you forced me into dirty debate.
@ARVIND276 to put others first. You totally missed all the examples that i gave - these are the examples of people who sacrificed to make this earth better. They couldn't care less about Heaven or Moksha - & that's all u think about. How do i get away from here? U posted the Gita of Prabhupada - not once did he talk about doing good for others - it was always pray to Krishna & get the hell out of here. That's not me. That's not Hinduism.
@ramaraksha01 "You totally missed all the examples ..." I read all examples, and they are wrongly placed, logically incorrect and very weak in reasoning. At one point you say Bill Gates and then say Buddha left wealth for feel pain and suffering. Re-read all your examples and try to know how much they are wrong. Bill Gates and Mother Teressa are both respectable in their domain, and put one up or down is utterly foolish and childish.
@ramaraksha01 "Heaven or Moksha - & that's all u think about. How do i get away from here..." No, its not what I think and its nowhere in scriptures either. Since this debate was for Moksha and so I talked about that only. When there will be a subject of success, I'd talk about that. Tomatto is good it does not means potato is wrong. Telling one thing as good does not imply other things wrong. You are extremely wrong in reasoning and its spoiling all the meaning.
@ramaraksha01 "U posted the Gita of Prabhupada ..." This was available to me at time, but its about Prabhupada, its about Gita.I could post the original Sanscrit script and you can translate yourself. Man, you can read it anywhere, I requested you earlier too. I don't not where you get it, but Gita is all about telling how to do karma which is beneficial for society and world, which Gita do you read? Don't write such wrong words on public forum. If you don't know then try to know.
@ramaraksha01 They couldn't care less about Heaven or Moksha..." Caring about heaven and Moksha is utter selfishness and again Sakam. Nishkam means no "Kam"(self, lust, greed) and so its only for others and nothing for self. If you could have understood the meaning of it, there was no need to write so many sentence and no need of discussion. Nishkam is for society, for world, for earth and for all creatures. No contradiction, you are creating contradictions.
@ARVIND276 that is how I think we get to Moksha - not by singing God's praises or doing pujas but seeing God everywhere - we should see God in the poor & unfortunate asking for our help - we need to do whatever we can to alleviate human suffering - that is the right path to Moksha.
The Problem? - it is not easy, it is going to take effort & sacrifice.
@ramaraksha01" that is how I think we get to Moksha - not by singing God's praises or doing pujas" --This is correct. Can you give me a reference of scripture that performing pujas will bring you to moksha and did I tell you? You are using these yourself and then refuting them. I don't think you have read any scriptures, otherwise you must not have told such ignorance statements. Whatever you are saying is what written in scripture, I don't know you are contradicting what source?
@ramaraksha01 I would request you to please refer Srimad Bhagvad Gita for details. Whatever points you put are all correct except few limitations and few misconceptions. It will help you to remove your wrong impression about scriptures and add into your knowledge which are principally correct already.
@ramaraksha01 "I don't want to run away to far off cliffs - I want to stay here - make this earth a heaven & that will happen because of Good people who worked hard & sacrificed to make this a better earth"--I agree. where is the contradiction by the way. The whole purpose of all scriptures and spirituality is to teach human this. Rather this is the "Duty" and doing duty is the real Dharma. Where is the contradiction brother?
@ARVIND276 And why is life so terrible? Because my friend, many a good person has chosen to do the right thing. India could be another pakistan - look at that country, riven with terrorists & untold killings. Why is Japan, a resourse poor country so rich & why is Iraq so poor?
I don't want to run away to far off cliffs - I want to stay here - make this earth a heaven & that will happen because of Good people who worked hard & sacrificed to make this a better earth.
@ramaraksha01 I don't know what you are mentioning for, I just added something missing in your statement about Nishkam Karma, you can read this in detail in Bhagvat Gita. Rather whole creation of Gita is to stop Arjuna running away from his Duties. Krishna told Arjuna its better to die while fighting than to run away as doing so will leads to the domination of evil which will be disastrous for society, so he should fight for people and not for himself.
@ARVIND276 Any fool can sit & praise God, but Blessed are those that Aim to Earn Praise FROM God! We Hindus are Blessed, unlike others we Get the golden chance to earn Praise FROM God, again & again! Enjoy this Great Gift from God called Human Life! Put a smile on a stranger's face!
Don't let go of this opportunity - don't be a coward dreaming of far away nice places to run off to. Moksha is right here, God is right here.
@ramaraksha01 Any fool can sit & praise God--Praising God and doing nothing is not great at all and its nowhere written in any Hindu scriptures, rather it is told whether you Pray or not but you should never forget to do your human duties(Karma Yoga), Rather human doing his work honestly and without any impurity is the best form or Yoga and ultimately leads to Moksha. Brother, it seems you took completely different meaning of Moksha and Karma. Request you to read Gita, its very clearly defined.
@ARVIND276 As per you if I take this body as a human, then this body remains even after death, but of no use, it means there is something which has a greater significance for this human being to exist. I totally agree with your logic of human life and Moksha is not interfering in it rather complementing as only pure action in human life can lead to moksha and not otherwise. But yes, its a great limitations if you try to convince me that this physical existence is everything life is all about.
@ARVIND276 " No human either doing good work or bad work can be free from birth cycle. Only when someone's karma becomes Niskam, and the constant faith in supreme, he gets moksha" - ur words, basically saying just balance ur debits & credits & get Moksha - don't worry about doing good works.
The supreme is not a man or a person - the Supreme is basically the TRUTH - there is more to this just belief - God Rama showed us the way of the Truth - u have to live a Truthful life.
@ramaraksha01 "ur words, basically saying just balance ur debits & credits & get Moksha " --its nowhere gives such meaning. It says that when karma is free from kam(Lust and desire) then its becomes dedicated to others and always beneficial for mask, the person doing karma never get the ego even as doer and all his actions brings peace and prosperity. There is complete description in Bhagvat Gita, you can read before arguing, And yes, you are again showing you ignorance by getting such meaning.
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bgupta2001 2 months ago
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ngsurati 2 months ago
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557vansh 2 months ago
प्रभु के भक्त मोक्ष की भी इच्छा नहीं करते, वो तो बस प्रभु से प्रेम करते हैं.
yogaprinciple 3 months ago 2
Even in this world rebirth can be conquered by keeping alive an impartial mind,Definitely the God is pure and alike, So, being stable in God, they reside in God.(Shri Krishna,Bhagvat Gita:Ch5Sh19). May Lord Krishna bless everybody. Also its requested to please keep opinons and scriptures separate. One is free to give opinion but in no way one should claim his opinion as the benchmark for Hinduism.
ARVIND276 4 months ago
Ways to achieve Supreme(moksha) The person devoted to God, who regards well wishers, friends, enemy, neutrals, intermediaries, hateful,relatives,
pious, and sinners with and equal mind , Surpasses supreme. Whose sins have vanished because of this pure knowledge(refereing to earlier shloka), wholse mind is constantly linked to god, who is constantly in him, and who has taken refuge in him, reaches the path ofliberation from where there is no return.((Shri Krishna in Gita:Ch6Sh9,Ch5Sh17)
ARVIND276 4 months ago
To achieve the supreme(Moksha):
One who gives up all his material desires meant for satisfaction of the senses, one who lives freeing from desires and gives up his false ego, attains the state of peace and calm.
O son of parth! This is the state of godly life. On having attained this state, one does not get deluded. Even if one attains this state at the time of his death, he attains me.(Shri Krishna:Ch2Sh71,72)
ARVIND276 4 months ago
And here are various way to achieve the supreme: By purifying the mind through religious performance, devotees and persons with hight morality and wisdom free themselves from the fruits of worlk and cycle of birth and death and attain the blissful supreme state. When your mind, which has become unstable by hearing the differing language of the scriptures, had becomestable, steady in regarding self-realization in God, you will attain the divine conciousness(Sri Krishna in Gita:Ch2,Sh51,53)
ARVIND276 4 months ago
Heaven v/s the final destination Moakha: Preoccupied by desires, they perform numerous orientations ritualsproducing of good birth, wealth and power for the attainment of pleasure and prosperity. Minds of those which are mislead by poundering towards sense enjoyment, pleasure and material sumptuousness,and who are amazed by such things don't attain the spritual intelligence and can not concentrate in god.(Srimad bhagvat Gita:Ch2Sh43,44).
ARVIND276 4 months ago
Here is references about the heaven in Srimad Bhagvat Gita:Sh2:Sh 42 O Arjuna! Men of less wisdom presume inquisitive anagoges of the Vedas and presume Heaven as teh soverein destination and argue that there is nothing beyond the heaven, and pleasures, they only gratify the statements of Vedas according to pleasure of their sense.
ARVIND276 4 months ago
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MrSambhunathtiadi 4 months ago
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TheVigknight 4 months ago
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arvindraote 5 months ago
हाथी दीन घोड़ा दीन अउ दीन पालकी नन्द घर आनंद भयो जय कन्हैया लाल की
प्रभु के सभी प्यारे भक्तो को कृष्ण-जन्माष्टमी की हार्दिक शुभ-कामनाये
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aswin704 5 months ago
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surendrarai6 5 months ago
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1preetythakur 5 months ago
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sanj7176 5 months ago
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vaibhavpuranik8676 6 months ago
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8890289042 6 months ago
Beautiful words. I wished that i knew the meaning of the bhajan. I am from T@T and proud to be Hindu.
arjoon52 6 months ago 9
@arjoon52 Two Names are very beautiful in the Universe. Weather say Krishna Or Ram. :)
bapujinumber1 3 months ago
do not fight ... respect for all... love - devotion for one...
niharshah31 6 months ago
Christians and Muslims are all Jews who went different ways due to weapons and money concepts.
Hindu and Buddism are similarly related.
East and West ....never twain the two meet (really)
mirandu1 7 months ago
@mirandu1 The abrahamic religions are king religions - God made in the image of a medieval king. Get down on ur knees, beg & grovel, swear eternal loyalty to the king & be rewarded. The king says the sky is Green, followers blindly agree. This blind allegience is the reason for terrorism.
Hinduism,Buddhism are Teacher faiths - our goal is Moksha - Knowledge, Enligtenment, which must always be EARNED, no begging or groveling! The Teacher says the sky is Green, every Hindu MUST disagree.
ramaraksha01 7 months ago
Christians and Muslims are all Jews who went different ways due to weapons and money concepts.
Hindu and Buddism are similarly related.
East and West ....never twain the two meet (really)
mirandu1 7 months ago
hey mere krishna plz mujhe utha le main jeena nahi chahti
mera is sansar mein koi nahi hai
mujhe leja mere bhagwan main ro rahi hun
plz krishna mujhe mukti dedo
reenkoogrewal 9 months ago
@reenkoogrewal Pl do not do that. Pl do not look to God as an escape hatch. Things are bad here, but u have to fight to make it better. People like Gandhiji, Mother Teresa, MLK, Sardar Patel, many brave soldiers, police, fire fighters have faught or are fighting to make this a better world. This is why we are reborn. Other religions make easy promises of a nice heaven to run off to - like mountains that look smooth from afar. Let's not be cowards, let's not be weak.
ramaraksha01 9 months ago
@reenkoogrewal Heaven is a place for bodily pleasures - sex, booze & gluttony. A Hindu's goal is Moksha - Enlightenment, Knowledge, union with God. But u cannot beg for Moksha - it has to be Earned! Hinduism is harder, tougher. While others run thru the back door, Hindus rush to the front to fight. Let's stay, let's fight for a better earth alongside God. God is not "upthere", but right here on earth.
ramaraksha01 9 months ago 15
@ramaraksha01 May I ask where you get your information from? It seems misinformed. In future, post a better explanation for those new to Hinduism or don't post such oversimplifications. Man certainly does not go to heaven for drinking booze, and other indulgences, so why would heaven be made up of of such things???
jasmitsingh1993 2 months ago
@jasmitsingh1993 I am basically going by what some people believe - 72 virgins waiting for example. Bottom line it is a nice place - nice weather, nice music, no hunger, no pain or suffering. Every desire fulfilled & some people do have earthly desires
The thing is that Heaven does not seem to be a place which is EARNED-u can beg&grovel ur way in, no qualification necessary, sort of like hitting the lottery-u can have everything u desire if u have money
It is a place of pleasures of the flesh
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@jasmitsingh1993 Moksha is ALWAYS Earned!
Think of it this way - say u are rich - u can have sex, booze, women, all the pleasures of the flesh
But then u go & listen to Mohd Rafi or MS Subbalaxmi sing - can u buy their singing ability? No u can't - it has to be Earned ! U want to sing like them, u have to put in the work!
Moksha is the awakening of the Heart, Mind & Soul - u cannot beg for it, nor can it be given. It is a state of mind, not a place - that is the diff between Heaven & Moksha
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@jasmitsingh1993 Did these explanations help? Let me know if they did not & I will post further or u can watch my videos & get a feel for what i am saying.
ramaraksha01 2 months ago
@ramaraksha01 So true, Amazing Words, Explained the Meaning of Human Life
Jaydxt08 1 month ago
@Jaydxt08 I feel sad that most religions of today urge their followers to give up on life. They have built elaborate castles in the air, a sugar daddy god ready to cater to millions of selfish, uncaring cowards.
Hinduism is Harder, Tougher. Instead of running away to that nice imaginary Hawaii "upthere" it asks u to choose life. Who in his right mind would choose pain & suffering? A Buddha would. A Mother Teresa would. A Gandhiji would. The ordinary policeman, soldier, fire fighter would
ramaraksha01 1 month ago
@Jaydxt08 It is because of millions of good people all over the world that life is better for the rest of us. Choose to make a difference. Do not be a coward&run away. Fight, fight for a better world. Choose Karma&Rebirth. A Hindu dies, he comes right back. He chooses to be with God. Walk with God. Fight alongside God, fight pain&suffering. Life Stinks? Let's work hard and make things better.
Any fool can sit & praise God, but Blessed are the Hindus that aim to Earn Praise FROM God!
ramaraksha01 1 month ago
@reenkoogrewal u coward! God gave u a body and good health to fight and live, dont beg u asshole! make use of ur brain and stop crying...even the physically challenged are living happily, even the mad, not to forget the terminally ill people, trying to embrace life to its fullest...r u without soul or wat?
prandtl002 7 months ago
Here are some reference from Srimad Bhagvat Gita translated by Sri Prabhupada.
Just as in the physical body of the embodies being is the process of childhood, youth and old age; similarly by the transmigration from one body to another the
wise are never deluded;ch2,V13
O Arjuna, only the interaction of the senses and sense objects give cold, heat, pleasure and pain.These things are temporary, appearing and disappearing;
therefor try to tolerate them; Ch2,v14
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 and @ ramaraksha #7#
Jaise Chaand aur Suraj mei tulna nahi ki jaa sakti usi prakaar do bhakto mei tulna nahi ki jaa sakti fir chaahe unme se ek sakaam ko maanta ho aur dusra nishkaam ko!
aur fir aap dono dekhiye ki aap behas kaha kar rahe hai kaun se bhajan mei Jag mei sundar hai do naam Chahe Krishna kaho ya Ram..! ab aage aap dono hi itne samajhdaar hai ki mera kuch shabdo ka nuksaan hoga
Hari Om Shanti!
NewEye2World 10 months ago
@NewEye2World I 100% agree brother, sorry for any inconveniences caused. May God bless everyone(Sarve bhavantu sukhinah). Jai Sri Krishna, Jai Shri ram.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha & @ARVIND276 #6#
And you both are very high qualtiy PRO's So, my request to both of you is that please stop arguing on this as there is no use of arguing just for the sake of arguement.
I would like to add both of you gyanis in my friend list. I would be more than happy if you please respect each other for their point of view instead of getting frustrated and talking politely is covering your real good self.
NewEye2World 10 months ago
@NewEye2World lol thank u for saying i am a gnani but no, i see myself as a seeker. Please, as long as we discuss things in a friendly way, we can only help each other. I have grown as a person by listening to people who have disagreed with me. If one only listens to people who agree with them, one stops growing.
Pl post in english ur thoughts if u can, I know a bit of Hindu but not enugh to follow ur thoughts. thanks
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 and @ ramaraksha #5#
jo science ne pichle 10 saalo mei hi bataaya vo to humare shastro mei croro saal pehle ho chuka..aur jo aaj se hajaaro saal baad hogaaa vo bhi humare shasstro mei already hai..to aapko jitna pustako ka gyan ho utne hi aapke chakshu khulenge aur aap apne gyan ki roshni se dusro ki buddhi pade parde hataaoge. And you both are very high qualtiy PRO's .., ye to publicity hai Bhagwaan ki Marketing.
NewEye2World 10 months ago
@ramaraksha & @ARVIND276 #4#
Geeta shri ka ek shlok jisne jeewan mei sun bhi liye use bhi Bhagwaan moksh ke dwaar khol deta hai
to humare dharm grantho ko padh ke gyan arjit karna sabse bada gyan hai kyuki jo aaj insaan ne nahi awishkaar kiya vo aaj se 100 saal baad hogaa. Fro eg.,aaj surrogate mother ya test tube baby ka concept hai to kya kartikaye Shiv Shanker aur Gauri ke putr Kartikaiye test tube baby nahi thee, kya Krishna bhagwan ke bade bhaai Balraam surrogate mother se paida nahi hue?
NewEye2World 10 months ago
@ ARVIND276 and @ ramaraksha #3#
mumkin nahi kyuki Yashoda Maiyya ka Kishnaa se laad Devki Maa ki mamta ya Radha Krishna ka pyar moh maaya ke sabse bade udahran hai
Aaj hume ghar mei baccha chahiye to hum kehte hai..bhaii ek laddu gopal aa jaaye humare ghar....ye bhakti bhi hai moh bhi. aajkal itne Guru hai market mei..satsang hote hai..kirtan hote hai gharo mei..mandiro mei puja hoti hai pravachan hoti hai..agar insaan koi lalach nahi to kya moh maaya se chutkaara bhi kya lalach nahi.?
NewEye2World 10 months ago
@ ramaraksha&@ARVIND276 #2#
par bhakti aapne garibi mei kam puja samagri ke saath ya bina kisi samagri ke ki ya khuub saare chadhaawe se ki dhanyavaad mei ki ya much maang rakh ke ki..vo to bhakti hi hai.Aap agar ye ummeed kare ki bina karam kiye Narad Muni ban jaaye to to aapko haridwaar mei jaa ke Naga Saadhhu banna padega ya kuch aur kare..manushya janam lekar aap moh maaya mei naa pade..
NewEye2World 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 and @ ramaraksha#1# RamaKrishna aur Arvindjee Namashkaar! Hare Krishna! Radhe Radhe! Hari Om!
Om Shanti Shanti Shanti!!
Aap dono ke kuch kichar meine padhe..dono hi ke vichaar acche hai..aapko ek dusre ko apni baat manwaane ki apne ko sahi saabit karne ki jarurat nahi kyuki aap dono hi sahi hai. Jeewan mei puja bhakti aur karm dono hi mahatv rakhte hai.
Maana ki bina lalach aap bhakti kare to uska jayada mol hai.
NewEye2World 10 months ago
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14985able 11 months ago
jai shari ram
Vik281 11 months ago
सुंदर क्लिप!
povervsebyacom 11 months ago
very nice video
tarachandsharma 11 months ago
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insidethewomb 1 year ago
Too Good...
drpankaj777 1 year ago
I want live in front of you ! Oh RAM pl Provide.
A>DORAIRAJ
pigojar 1 year ago
Jai Ram Krishna !... we love you very much...
fairworld999 1 year ago 2
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doll1224 1 year ago
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neerajluthra 1 year ago
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This Is a Very Sweet Bhajan. Wonderful Presentation.
Jai Shri Ram Ji
Jai Shri Krishna
JOLLYKHANNA1 1 year ago
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For Men of Understanding --None has the right to be worship but Allah & Muhammad [Pbuh] is his Messenger. [God is All Knowing, All wise, Just & merciful but not fool. So God created Mankind & given “free will” with just one life, provided complete guidance in form of the Holy Quran & Prophet Muhammad [Pbuh].To Judge whether Mankind will believe & establish worship in unseen Creator or not. So Believer will go to Eternal Heaven & Disbeliever will go to Hell Forever. Just read Holy Quran.
wakeupmessage 1 year ago
I wonder y 10 dislikes for such a sureela peaceful relaxing bhajan..
BeItYourself 1 year ago
listing to this bhaja feels like in all worries and troubles are gone
shivvinay1317 1 year ago
Diff between Heaven & Moksha:
Heaven: A place of bodily pleasures - Sex, food, drink, lying in the sun on the beach. No qualifications needed. Hit the lottery & u can have it all here on earth.
Moksha: Education, Enlightenment, Knowledge - a flowering of the mind. To compose music like Mozart, to think like Einstein, write beautiful poetry, to sing like MS. It is not begged for nor given, it has to be EARNED! No amount of money can get u Moksha.
Choose the higher goal, choose Moksha.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 Also, Heaven is not the end and a person when complete time there returns back birth cycle, Moksha is the freedom from karma cycle and soul resides in vicinity of supreme lord forever. No human either doing good work or bad work can be free from birth cycle. Only when someone's karma becomes Niskam, and the constant faith in supreme, he gets moksha.
ARVIND276 11 months ago
@ARVIND276 I have a diff opinion - As Gandhiji said, I desire neither Heaven nor Moksha - I think there is a purpose to human life - not to just run away from here & yes those far away cliffs look so smooth don't they? Gandhiji faught for justice & paid with his life, but in ur opinion, he is less a person than one who managed to balance his debits & credits? Does that make sense to u? So a person born if he does nothing all his life, he gets Moksha? That's the way out because life is terrible?
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 I don't know, whether you really understand Nishkam Karma and taking it like "Akarma". Gandhi is the perfect example who did the Nishkam Karma. He did everything for others and for nations and almost nothing for himself(..ma karma fal hetur bhurmah". Doing nothing is "Akarma". ("...Te sango astya Karmani". Akarma is a dangerous as it stops all the funtions of univese and leads to decline to everything. Brother if you cant understand better to look for it. Its written in Gita.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 I really could not understand, you differ for what? Do you disagree with Nishkam Karma or do you disagree to have faith in Supreme? You clarify first and then I would comments. But it appears to me that perhaps you taken meaning of Nishkam Karma as "Akarma" . There is no need to look for any cliff as this is a selfish behavior and involves human desires into karma and make him the doer(hetu) and invariably he is bounded with fruits more.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01".. but in ur opinion, he is less a person than one who managed to balance his debits & credits?" -- I don't know from which of my statement you got this meaning. Gandhiji is one of the best example of doing Nishkam Karma. Doing nothing is "Akarma" and it is a sin. Anybody involved in Akarma is going to decline. You have got terribly wrong meaning of Nishka Karma. Suggested to read Bhagvat Giga about it and don't jump to conclusion to show your ignorance.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01" I desire neither Heaven nor Moksha - I think there is a purpose to human life - not to just run away from here & yes those far away cliffs look so smooth don't they?"--Your statement is correct though not complete. No desire for heaven or Moksha itself is the nishkam karma( karma with no desire), though differ from you to take this human life as end. There are many other complexity in it. First of all Who am I, am I a body or something more than a body?
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 "But yes, its a great limitations if you try to convince me that this physical existence is everything life is all about"
Why are we here? Why were we born? Why did God give us Life? So that we can balance our debits & credits & run away? Is it all about me? How do "I" get to Moksha? Don't u think that's selfish?
I think everything is right here - Heaven & Hell are right here - not "upthere" where u spend a "little" bit of time. If we want Heaven on earth, we need to make it happen
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Why did God give us Life? So that we can balance our debits & credits & run away?"--Well balancing debit & credit is not the great work and also looking for moksha is selfish too? Somebody looking for rmoksha and doing nothing or selfish thing is not going to get moksha at all. Rather I agree with you that one should not do things for himself but for people, society, country and whole world. I don't think its prescribed in any scripture to balance debit and credit & run.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01" I think everything is right here - Heaven & Hell are right here "--Although I don't agree that everything ends here, but still your logic is completely fine that one should do everything to make this earth a heaven and as I told you earlier, this is the purpose of all teaching, spirituality and scriptures. I again say, there is no contradiction from what you are saying. But yes, many of your concepts are very limited which in turn leads to many complexities.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 How did Japan, a resource poor country become a rich country, whereas a resource rich country like Nigeria remains poor? It's about the people - working hard, making the right decisions, sacrifices, effort & sweat - the Japanese are famous for working hard - putting in 12, 14 hours work days - they have banished poverty in their country. Instead of thinking how u can get to Moskha - maybe think more about how u can help ur fellow man
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "How did Japan...."--Yes, I agree, where is the contradiction, you are just repeating same thing."Instead of thinking how u can get to Moskha..." I don't know who told you, that you will think of moksha and you will get moksha. Please correct your fact. Thiking of moksha is a selfish behaviour and in turn corrupt your actons. I think you did not get the meaning of moksha or Nishkam karma or anything related, and making some arguments which are not upto the mark.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Nishkam->Nih(no) + Kam(lust, desire). So Nishkam means without lust, without desire. Nishkam Karma, means Karma without lust or desire. I don't know you disagree what? Rather whatever you are saying about hard work is completely right and there is no contradictions. All great people have dedicated their life making this world better and bring ever lasting peace and your examples are completely fine,this is the best use of life, where is the contradiction brother!!!!
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 U keep posting this Nishkama Karma - how exactly can this be possible? Gandhiji was driven by the desire to see his fellow countrymen free from bondage. People like Mother Teresa & Jimmy Carter worked or are working 20 hours a day, so that the poor & unfortunate can have a better life. Their desire is to see a better earth. There is nothing wrong with having desires - that is what makes us human - it is desire that has driven human progress so far.
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "U keep posting this Nishkama Karma..."Though Nishkam is self explanatory, but I don't know why its so difficult for you to get this meaning. Also its reference is available everywhere. In Bhagvat gita perticularly in chapters 2,3,5,8,1618 there are lot of reference. I don't think I should try to explain you here because I am sure it will go against your own ego, better you find yourself.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "There is nothing wrong with having desires...." Desires have not only brought human to progress it has brought the immense loss of life and property over all centuries. Desires in turn can lead to many things, like lust, passion, jealosy, anger etc. That is where the "Nishkam" karma is superiour. It make sure that karma is going to bring only and only peace and prosperity and nothing else.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 Nishkama Karma sounds good in theory but I can't see it being practiced. Only when u care about something so passionately, only then will u be putting in the effort. There is nothing wrong with an intense desire to become say a physician or an engineer - the tests are so hard, the competition immense - when u get bad marks in a test - u MUST feel the pain. It is the pain that will propel u to work harder. My own story - i have an accounting degree. In this field, u can get 100 out...
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Well, It appears that you like arguments just for arguments sake. I don't know somehow you are not able to understand Karma, Nishkam Karma, dharma, duties, yagna, charity, denounciation of fruits. And only because you are not able to understand few things, you think it is theoretical. This whole debate was for Moksha, I don't know, if you can't understand Nishkam Karma, then how you can debate for Moksha? It is still suggested to do more research on matter than arguing.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "There is nothing wrong with an intense desire...." whose says its' wrong? Did I say. But desires has its fruits attached with it and then there is either happiness of sadness attached with it. If somebody fine with this then its fine, who is saying that it is wrong, rather you are using these words, I did not. Anyone who performs duties honestly does Nishkam karma, this is the simplest way of understanding Nishkam karma, and please don't say that duty is theoretical.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 :"Nishkama Karma sounds good in theory ..." Completely wrong. As I told you the simplest meaning of Nishkam Karma is to do duties honestly. And everybody knows the meaning of duties by the way. Honestly performed duties are the pillar of welfare of society. No matter at what position and in what capacity if a person performs his duties honestly it always going to bring welfare for everybody. Rather society face problems when one or other duties are not performed honestly.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "i have an accounting degree..." :), do you want me to comment on this? well, for your introduction I am an engineer, and I know what does it mean by theory, hypothesis, and a law. I also know what are the basis of science. I also knows where science fails? And by the way, I know every in and out of computer and playing with it every day and night.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "There is nothing wrong with an intense desire to become say a physician or an engineer..." Who is saying it is wrong, but then when you have desires who are also attached with the reaction emerging out of the results, which yourself is mentioning. In case of Nishkam, that pain is not there, that's the advantage. Its not a compulsion brother. You may choose and you may not choose.By saying that Nishkam a theory, shows how ignorance you are?
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Passion and desires have many branches, both towards happiness and sorrow.They are part of physical senses and so extremely prone to errors. Sometime, they cause disaster even in the state of success. Ravan himself was extermely knowlegable, but only thing leads to disaster was his ego, "Eko aham, dwitiyo na asti, na bhuto and bhavasyati" I am the one, nobody else can be like me, either in past or in future.This what he was saying.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Both Ram and Ravan was Gyani, but Inspite of the best worrier in eternity, he never used his actions for his desires but only for others. He was extremely polite and able to respect even the downiest in the society,because he was free from Kam, whatever Lord Ram did was the Nishkam and all actions for others. On other hand, Ravan who was equally qualified and worrier, but his all actions was driven by his desires, lust and ego. He became the reason of destruction.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Fact is that I did not disagree with most of the facts you put, but you like to engage in Kutarka only for your the satisfaction of your ego, rather than the facts. I talked about all established facts and whatever referenced in scriptures and being explained by many of the scholars. Besides that, these concepts are pretty clear to many, its a bit strange you are doing debate on such a clear concepts.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 The concept of Nishkam karma is one of the basic pillars of Hinduism. If you counter them, then you are free to write parallel concepts and leave it to people how much they agree with your enlighten concepts. I would certainly read your concepts. There is nothing wrong in what you believe and hence there is no need to argue. Yes, if due to ego you take it to personal fight then its another matter, This is not the right place for that.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Nobody say that Desires are wrong, but when we talk of Supreme peace, Moksha and all beneficial work then one has to consider between Desires, sacrifice, charity and yagna. Obviously all sacrifice, charity and yagna are superior than desires. And I repeat again, Nishkam karma is only the best form of karma which gaurantee everlasting peace and its not to denounce karma, which is called as "Akarma". You again and again taking Nishkam karma as "Akarma" its not.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 of 100, but it is very hard to do. I remember one yr when i got what for me were bad marks. I cried that day. Some others would be delighted to have those marks. But that's the point - u set high, impossible goals - u feel pain when u fail & it is those who set high goals that usually fail - but it is also these people who will succeed. Nishkama Karma sounds good in theory, but doesn't work in practice.
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 " u feel pain when u fail .....but it is also these people who will succeed. Nishkama Karma sounds...." Check again, don't mix facts. Its not those people who feel pain or down with sorrow who succeed, rather those people who who win over the pain. if fail then try again, and try hard. Don't mix things. Success or failure traces many paths. But if Karma is Nishkam a person is not effected with failures. Success/Failure is not the debate. stick to subject. and don't extend topics,
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 "Human ascends or descends as per his karma" - that's the basic carrot & stick method - that's the method other religions use. I don't want Hinduism to descend to that level. Basically I see Hinduism as a Teacher faith - our goal is Moksha - Enlightenment, Knowledge. Those who do bad karmas stay behind, they are not punished but basically they learn less. Those who do good are "rewarded" with more knowledge.
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01" Those who do bad karmas stay behind, they are not punished but basically they learn less. Those who do good are "rewarded" with more knowledge. .." This is completely true, I agree, though there is more than this but this is true. Even earlier I agreed. Ascends and descends have same meaning by the way, you are saying same things, though ascends and descends include few more things, but substance is same.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "our goal is Moksha - Enlightenment, Knowledge...." Yes this is true, though there is more, but I'd not extend the debate and rather agree with it. I just request one thing, that keep your opinion as opinion when you does not refer it to some scripture, and don't confuse people by saying that your opinion is Hinduism Your or my opinion may be wrong.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 U are using a computer & the internet - how did these come about? A desire by people to invent something, to have money, to have a better life, to make themselves famous - whatever it is - billions thank them today! Billions have benefited by these inventions, billions today make a living because of these men's desires.
Don't blindly read a book - think. Ask questions. Hinduism is a Teacher faith. God is waiting for ur questions. Think & Ask.
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "U are using a computer......" I don't know you are referring in what context and what you expecting anybody to comment on this? Karma is one of the biggest principle of Hinduism and all scripture tell human to do his duties as per his ability and inherent nature. Everybody would like to agree with the examples you have given. And of course Hinduism is teacher faith.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Listen brother, its no use to make this post which is meant to listen to music as personal debate room. I understand, I wrongly add sentence to your comments not realizing that you might take something very personal. Its better end everything here. Smashing lemon beyond a limit make it bitter. Its not great to make this as a egoistic fight. Words might have different meaning, but I never had intention to challenge you. I talked only about well established facts and nothing else.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
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NewEye2World 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 Please read my message for both of you!!
NewEye2World 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 "Obviously all sacrifice, charity and yagna are superior than desires"
Not really - as i posted the computer, internet that u are using were the product of desires - u may call them selfish but the benefit to mankind is superior to any charity or sacrifice.
Pl see my video - 1000 mother teresa's or Bill Gates' - if God came down & gave u the choice of Mother Teresa or Bill Gates? - the correct choice here is Bill Gates!
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
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@ramaraksha01 "Obviously all sacrifice, charity and yagna are superior than desires....Not really" I really doubt you know even the meaning of sacrifice, and yagna" and it appears either you don't bother to find the meaning or your afraid that if you find the exact meaning it may go against your own ego, because you have taken very cheap and superficial meaning of such noble words. The acts of bill gates is one category of sacrifice and so is mother Teresa's acts.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
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@ramaraksha01 "the choice of Mother Teresa or Bill Gates? - the correct choice here is Bill Gates....." really? there is a poem of Great poet Rahim" ... jahan kam ave sui kahan kare tarwari"-- You can't use the sword where needle is required.I afraid by giving such examples you are showing very childish behavior, Bill gates and Mother Teresa belong to two different domains and hence can't be compared, both of them are respectable people. What you expect anyone can argue with you?
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: ch4 V26: Celibates offer for sacrificial oblations the sense such as hearing and seeing into the fire of renunciation; householders offer the objects of the sense such as pleasing sounds and pleasant sights into the fire of the senses.
ch4 V27: Monists offer into the fire of self-purification of the mind by yoga; ignited by the urge for self-realization; all the sense and their actions as well as the life breath and its functions.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "as i posted the computer, internet that u are using were the product of desires.." you are playing with the words and mixing the meanings. Discoveries are the examples of sacrifices where a person sacrificed his time, efforts and sometime money. Though few of them done for the purpose or war and destructive in nature. Any discoveries which is attached with lust is extremely dangerous, one has to know this.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "if God came down & gave u the choice of Mother Teresa or Bill Gates?..." Bill Gates and mother Teressa are distinguished personalities from different domains and can't be compared. Bill Gates can't give something which Mother Teressa has given and vice-versa. Its like comparing Doctor with Engineer. You are showing example of an ugly debate. Nobody has confusion about the roles played by Bill gates and Mother Teressa. Its childish comparison.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Earlier you try to give impression that you really know about Hinduism, but from your words it appears that you are doing more harm to religion. Your confusion about basic terminologies, mixing of meaning of words is too naive in nature. Desires, sacrifice, charity, passion are well defined words, Also they are defined in religious text in certain contexts and while using such words one must maintain same contexts. You are faltering extremely with even normal use of words.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 Pl don't take this the wrong way - u talk about Nishkama Karma - yet all u want to do is escape from here. The Buddha left his palace & embraced pain & suffering, Gandhiji could have had a nice life as a lawyer, making good money, yet he chose to suffer for the greater good.
Diseases don't go away by themselves, Hitler didn't decide to kill himself voluntarily - Don't see to run away from pain & suffering, the birth cycle - instead seek to do yr part to end pain & suffering.
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
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@ramaraksha01 "Pl don't take this the wrong way - u talk about Nishkama Karma - yet all u want to do is escape from here..." Don't make such statement, its very very childish. This post is to listen the great Bhajan by great singer and not our personal debate blog. Discussions are fine till they are discussion, the moment any discussion turns into a ugly debate(Kutarka) its wise to end such debates rather than stretching.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "The Buddha left his palace & embraced pain & suffering, Gandhiji could have had a nice life as a lawyer..." you are putting these noble people's example in completely wrong way. Their life is self explanatory and nothing need to be debated on that. I afraid, you did not understand the life of either Buddha, Gandhi, Mother Teressa or Bill Gates. They are great human of their time attaining the highest point in their domain. All of them are highly respectable human.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Gandhiji could have had a nice life as a lawyer, making good money, yet he chose to suffer for the greater good..." I don't know you are referring to what? His life is a perfect example of supreme karma, duty and sacrifice. Anybody following any of these examples or Lord Ram, Lord Krishna, Lord Budha, Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Bill gates, is going to server society in one way or other. There is no need to develop any kind of confusion and no need of any arguments..
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 ?Don't see to run away from pain & suffering, the birth cycle..." Please don't enter into such subject again. I can see, you have lot of difficulty in understanding meaning of even basic terminologies. Discussing birth cycle, whether it is good or bad, is not required. Whatever you are saying is completely fine and I myself agree that one should do everything to make this earth better. I don't see there is any need of argument here.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "The Buddha left his palace & embraced pain & suffering..." Well I don't know what you are trying to convey, but pain and suffering was not his goal, rather Buddha was looking for the solution for the suffering and pain, and for your kind knowledge the very first thing he found out was that,the desire is the reason of suffering. Please go and find it out, the basic principles of Buddha. Again here I don't mean to debate on that, but you must take care while putting examples.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 You have put example of all great people but still you seem to have lot of confusions of terminologies and the substance. Everybody take Lord Ram's and Lord Krishna's life as examples without any debate and confusion. Their lives are bigger than any philosophy and knowledge. Knowing them even a bit is enough to make a human life peaceful. Many a times you seem to be mixing facts and example with each other in completely complex and wrong way. Please correct that.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "u want to do is escape from here..." I want to end Kutarka, its a completely different forum, to listen music. Also discussions are to learn something rather than for the sake or argument. Its not that I push my ideas and pack this forums with my words. I want to end because I don't want to bother other respectable people here. Also its wise for a person to keep away from Mud. Moving round a circle is going to lead nowhere. Its fine for me if you like to feel victorious.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Here are some reference from Srimad Bhagvat Gita translated by Sri Prabhupada.
Just as in the physical body of the embodies being is the process of childhood, youth and old age; similarly by the transmigration from one body to another the
wise are never deluded;ch2,V13
O Arjuna, only the interaction of the senses and sense objects give cold, heat, pleasure and pain.These things are temporary, appearing and disappearing;
therefor try to tolerate them; Ch2,v14
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@ramaraksha01 References: O noblest of men, that person of wise judgment equipoised in happiness and distress, whom cannot be distrubred by the these is certainly eligible for liberation. Ch2, V15
Morever considering your righteousness you should not falter; indeed for upholders or justice there does not exist a more appropriate endeavor then a battle for righteousness ch2 V31
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Reference Gita: However if you do not engage in this war for righteousness then abondoning your natural spiritual duty and reputation will incur sinful reaction ch2 V33.
O Arjuna I have exaplained to you this spiritual intelligence regarding the nature of the soul; now listen to this science of actions,
without fruitive desires by which spiritual intelligence is endowed completely releasing you from the boundage of reactions from actions ch2 v 39
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: In this yoga, O Arjuna spiritual intelligence is firmly resolved and exclusive, but the intellect of those full of material desires indeed has unlimited diverse branches: ch2 V41.
You certainly have the right fro prescribed but never at anytime in their results. You should never be motivated by the results of teh actions, nor should there be any attachment in not doing your prescribed activities: ch2 V47
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: O Arjuna, established in teh science of yoga in actions, perform your activies giving up attachement and become equipoised in both success and failure. This equianimity is known as the science of uniting the individual consciousness with the ultimate consiouseness ch2 V48
A person can never achieve freedom from reactions to activities without first performing perscribed Vedic duties; neither can perfection be attained by
renouncing them as well ch 3 v4
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: One cannot remain without engaging in activity at any time, even for a moment; certainly all living entities are helplessly compelled to action by the qualities endowed by material nature. Ch 3 V5
but anyone who regulates the sense by the mind O Arjuna, begins the science of uniting the individual consciousness with the Ultimate Consciousness by the actions of the working sense organs without the desires for results, he is superior.ch 3. v7
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@ramaraksha01 References Gita: Therefore without attachment, without interuption, perfectly perform prescribed actions; since by performing prescribed actions a person achieve the highest good. ch 3 V19
By perfomring prescribed activities Kind Janaka and others cetainly realized complete perfection; likewise you should perform as well considering for the sake of benefiting the welface or the world ch3 V20
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: Those human beings who always execute regularly these injunctions of Mine with full faith, without envy; all of them become free from the boundage of reactions from actions. ch3 V31Even a knowledgeable person acts according to his own nature; all living entities are controlled by their own natures; What can repression accomplish? ch3 V33.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: Attractions and aversion of the sense to their corresponing sense objects is unavoidable; one should not be controlled by them; since they are obstactles in one's path Ch3.V34.Performing one's natural prescribed duty tinged with faults is far better than performing anothers prescribed duty perfectly; even death in performing one's natural prescribed duty is better; for performing prescribed duties of others is fraught with danger. Ch3. V35.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: Arjuna said: what is it that incites one to commit sinful acts even against one's will as if compelled by force? ch3V36Lord Krsna Said: It is lust which becomes anger arising from the mode of passion;know this lust to be insatiable; extremely sinful and the greatest in this world Ch 3.V 37
O Arjuna, the discrimination of even the knowledgeable is covered by this perpetual enemy in the form of lust, which is like an insatiable fire. Ch 3 v39
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@ramaraksha01 References Gita: It is declared that the senses, the mind and the intelligence are the stronghold of this lust, covering one's discriminiation this enemy of lust deludge the living entities ch3 V 40
ch 4. V19: One whose every undertaking is devoid of motivation for fruitive desires and sense gratification and who has incinerated all activities in the fire of pure knowledge; the spiritually intelligence describe him as educated.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 References Gita;ch 4 V22: Satisfied with whatever comes by its own accord; tolerant of dualities, devoid of envy to others and while performing is equipoised in suceess or failure is never affected.
ch4 V25: karma-yogis following the parth of yoga by actions engge in worship offering sacrifices to the demigods only; Jnana-yogis worship perfectly by invoking offering of sacrifice into the sacrificed fire of the Ultimate Truth, as sacrifice itself.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 References Gita: ch4 V28: Thre are others donationg their possessions in charity as sacrifice; performing austerities and penance as sacrifice, practicing the eightfold mystic yoga system as sacrifice and studying the Vedas and aquiring trascendental knowledge as sacrifice; all enlightened beings and performers of strict vows;
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 References Gita:ch4 V29: Some other offer the outgoing breath to the incoming breath and the incoming breath to the outgoing breath; in this way checking the flow of both the incoming and outgoing breaths they ardously practice breath control. Others strictly reducing their food intake offer the sense into the life breath.
ch4 V31: O Arjuna, one who perfoms no sacrifice is not fit for this world let alone the heavenly worlds.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "u want to do is escape from here...." There is one sloka "Sathe sathyam sam acharet" "Rude people only understand rudeness" Do you want one to be rude with you and then you will understand. There is other saying "Neem hakim khatraye jaan" (Half doctor is dangerous to life). If you have more question you can still go to some experts rather than engaging into argument over noble subjects. It means you are not interested in knowing but arguments and fights.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "The Buddha left his palace & embraced pain & suffering.." Buddha left his ;lace because all physical possession could not give him peace. As per your example, he could have still done good to masses by becoming king and doing good in Bill Gates styles. Your example is answer to your own question. Success or any physical possession are not the guarantee or peace and joy.That is why even after many Bill Gates, Mother Teressas are required always.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 "Success or any physical possession are not the guarantee or peace and joy" - again u miss the point - it's not about individual happiness - it's not about what makes ME, the "I", happy. Poor countries are driven with crime, hopelessness, pain & suffering. This is where Bill Gates comes in - A lot of people go to bed with their bellies full because of Bill Gates. Don't run away from society - don't seek to find an escape.
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Success or any physical possession are not the guarantee or peace and joy" - again u miss the point -"" I am also not talking about individual happiness, I am also talking about mass. All these scientific development, could not guarantee peace and that is why Mother Teressa was required. Its not about individual, its about society.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "A lot of people go to bed with their bellies full because of Bill Gates..." I'd not like to extend but there is much more to it. He is the richest and having so much money, why do he need so much money? If he was doing a little Nishkam, he might have done lot more good to people. "Good is not good where better is expected" He could have done better, if he could remove few lust of wealth. But yes this is not the debate, he is respectable everybody knows.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Don't run away from society - don't seek to find an escape. ..." You repeat it again and again.Give me the reference of any scripture which tells a human to run away. All scriptures tells human to indulge in good and pure karma and to do everything to make every creature on this earth. You created this sentence yourself and then contradict yourself. When did I say that one should run away. Its all about the topic, and I discussed as per that.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 Where there is honest labor, honest work being done, there is God - Karma Yoga
Where there is Knowledge, education being imparted, there is God - Gnana Yoga
Where there are selfless helping hands, there is God - Bhakti Yoga
I urge u to slow down, stop putting people down who have diff views & maybe think about things a bit more.
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "I urge u to slow down, stop putting people down who have diff views .." See, you are free to have your views and so are others. But in no circumstances you can ever claim that your views are Hinduism. Hindu philosophy is well established and well documented and while discussion you can give the reference. If you are giving your opinion then call it opinion not Hinduism, because there are others Hindus too, it not just you alone.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Brother, I did not contradict your views, rather I agreed to most of them. You created contradiction out of nothing and then went so far to contradict the base of philosophy and established scriptures. You must take care, because its very serious matter.Doing good for earth is extremely good thing and I agree always with you.There is no contradiction as such, rather I respect you that you have simple way of knowing thing, but please take care before contradiction bigger truths..
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Don't see to run away from pain & suffering, the birth cycle..." Its not about somebody is running. Its about what is the fact. Birth cycle exists . Somebody wants to go into cycle or not is individual choice. There is a divine law, one take it fine, if not then fine too. But if somebody want Moksha then Nishkam karma is one of the ways. There are other ways too. That's it. Nobody is saying to run away. You add words into others mouth.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 wow that was a lot to digest. I guess we will agree to disagree. U have called me a lot of rude, hurtful words - i see a mind that is a bit closed & not open to new ideas.
U talk so much about Nishkama karma & all that stuff about the Gita - I see only one person that all this is benefitting - just u - how do I get to Moksha?
I have a diff view of Hinduism - one that is earth centered - God is here, while others seek to run away to greener pastures, Hinduism asks us to....
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "I see only one person that all this is benefitting - just u - how do I get to Moksha..." You are again getting personal. I am benefiting or not, its none of your business. But don't own a religion. Its not me, rather you are closed minded, on the name of openness you are trying to propagate wrong concepts. All of your examples are wrongly placed. And its you who dragged me into discussion. I did not contradict your statement, rather you contradicted whole Hindu philosophy.
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@ramaraksha01 "I have a diff view of Hinduism...." You are free to have your views and so I am I and anybody, but don't try to challenge a well established philosophy which has been nurtured by thousand of great Rishis. Also your views are very short sighted and and some point of time confusion. How one can compare between Mother Teressa and Bill Gates and what can be proved out of it. Can something wrong in biology is going to prove a law in physics. Its rubbish comparison.
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@ramaraksha01 "while others seek to run away to greener pastures, Hinduism asks us to...." Again you falter, you never know what others want and yes don't try to say what Hinduism ask, maximum you can say what your views, your views are not Hinduism. You must understand this fact. Hinduism is there to everybody, to read and know, Don't say that your words are Hinduism. Karma does not mean to run away, that is called Akarma, and its not that difficult to understand.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "wow that was a lot to digest. I guess we will agree to disagree. U have called me a lot of rude, hurtful words .." I never meant to extend. You dragged me twice. You must try to make a limit, if you break limits then you must be ready for infinite. I called rude, because you became personal. In fact I agreed with most of your views, you recreated contradictions and put words in my mouth, you forced me into dirty debate.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 to put others first. You totally missed all the examples that i gave - these are the examples of people who sacrificed to make this earth better. They couldn't care less about Heaven or Moksha - & that's all u think about. How do i get away from here? U posted the Gita of Prabhupada - not once did he talk about doing good for others - it was always pray to Krishna & get the hell out of here. That's not me. That's not Hinduism.
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "You totally missed all the examples ..." I read all examples, and they are wrongly placed, logically incorrect and very weak in reasoning. At one point you say Bill Gates and then say Buddha left wealth for feel pain and suffering. Re-read all your examples and try to know how much they are wrong. Bill Gates and Mother Teressa are both respectable in their domain, and put one up or down is utterly foolish and childish.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "Heaven or Moksha - & that's all u think about. How do i get away from here..." No, its not what I think and its nowhere in scriptures either. Since this debate was for Moksha and so I talked about that only. When there will be a subject of success, I'd talk about that. Tomatto is good it does not means potato is wrong. Telling one thing as good does not imply other things wrong. You are extremely wrong in reasoning and its spoiling all the meaning.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "U posted the Gita of Prabhupada ..." This was available to me at time, but its about Prabhupada, its about Gita.I could post the original Sanscrit script and you can translate yourself. Man, you can read it anywhere, I requested you earlier too. I don't not where you get it, but Gita is all about telling how to do karma which is beneficial for society and world, which Gita do you read? Don't write such wrong words on public forum. If you don't know then try to know.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 They couldn't care less about Heaven or Moksha..." Caring about heaven and Moksha is utter selfishness and again Sakam. Nishkam means no "Kam"(self, lust, greed) and so its only for others and nothing for self. If you could have understood the meaning of it, there was no need to write so many sentence and no need of discussion. Nishkam is for society, for world, for earth and for all creatures. No contradiction, you are creating contradictions.
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NewEye2World 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 that is how I think we get to Moksha - not by singing God's praises or doing pujas but seeing God everywhere - we should see God in the poor & unfortunate asking for our help - we need to do whatever we can to alleviate human suffering - that is the right path to Moksha.
The Problem? - it is not easy, it is going to take effort & sacrifice.
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01" that is how I think we get to Moksha - not by singing God's praises or doing pujas" --This is correct. Can you give me a reference of scripture that performing pujas will bring you to moksha and did I tell you? You are using these yourself and then refuting them. I don't think you have read any scriptures, otherwise you must not have told such ignorance statements. Whatever you are saying is what written in scripture, I don't know you are contradicting what source?
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 I would request you to please refer Srimad Bhagvad Gita for details. Whatever points you put are all correct except few limitations and few misconceptions. It will help you to remove your wrong impression about scriptures and add into your knowledge which are principally correct already.
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@ramaraksha01 "I don't want to run away to far off cliffs - I want to stay here - make this earth a heaven & that will happen because of Good people who worked hard & sacrificed to make this a better earth"--I agree. where is the contradiction by the way. The whole purpose of all scriptures and spirituality is to teach human this. Rather this is the "Duty" and doing duty is the real Dharma. Where is the contradiction brother?
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 And why is life so terrible? Because my friend, many a good person has chosen to do the right thing. India could be another pakistan - look at that country, riven with terrorists & untold killings. Why is Japan, a resourse poor country so rich & why is Iraq so poor?
I don't want to run away to far off cliffs - I want to stay here - make this earth a heaven & that will happen because of Good people who worked hard & sacrificed to make this a better earth.
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 I don't know what you are mentioning for, I just added something missing in your statement about Nishkam Karma, you can read this in detail in Bhagvat Gita. Rather whole creation of Gita is to stop Arjuna running away from his Duties. Krishna told Arjuna its better to die while fighting than to run away as doing so will leads to the domination of evil which will be disastrous for society, so he should fight for people and not for himself.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 Any fool can sit & praise God, but Blessed are those that Aim to Earn Praise FROM God! We Hindus are Blessed, unlike others we Get the golden chance to earn Praise FROM God, again & again! Enjoy this Great Gift from God called Human Life! Put a smile on a stranger's face!
Don't let go of this opportunity - don't be a coward dreaming of far away nice places to run off to. Moksha is right here, God is right here.
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 Any fool can sit & praise God--Praising God and doing nothing is not great at all and its nowhere written in any Hindu scriptures, rather it is told whether you Pray or not but you should never forget to do your human duties(Karma Yoga), Rather human doing his work honestly and without any impurity is the best form or Yoga and ultimately leads to Moksha. Brother, it seems you took completely different meaning of Moksha and Karma. Request you to read Gita, its very clearly defined.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 As per you if I take this body as a human, then this body remains even after death, but of no use, it means there is something which has a greater significance for this human being to exist. I totally agree with your logic of human life and Moksha is not interfering in it rather complementing as only pure action in human life can lead to moksha and not otherwise. But yes, its a great limitations if you try to convince me that this physical existence is everything life is all about.
ARVIND276 10 months ago
@ARVIND276 " No human either doing good work or bad work can be free from birth cycle. Only when someone's karma becomes Niskam, and the constant faith in supreme, he gets moksha" - ur words, basically saying just balance ur debits & credits & get Moksha - don't worry about doing good works.
The supreme is not a man or a person - the Supreme is basically the TRUTH - there is more to this just belief - God Rama showed us the way of the Truth - u have to live a Truthful life.
ramaraksha01 10 months ago
@ramaraksha01 "ur words, basically saying just balance ur debits & credits & get Moksha " --its nowhere gives such meaning. It says that when karma is free from kam(Lust and desire) then its becomes dedicated to others and always beneficial for mask, the person doing karma never get the ego even as doer and all his actions brings peace and prosperity. There is complete description in Bhagvat Gita, you can read before arguing, And yes, you are again showing you ignorance by getting such meaning.
ARVIND276 10 months ago