This strategy will create vaccum in the region and most of the balkanian states will not create Union. You "македончиня" are like the Pavlov's dogs, when you see red light you begin to bark. How pathetic, how patriotic....to dig your own countrie's grave!!!
that's your dream? hahah you can dream that dream you can do whatever you like by you self, but that never gonna happen. All that what you said is lie. Sorry man, we don't have any problem with our identity and our language and culture. Also we don't need to ask anyone from the side what we have to do with our selves. We live in own country, we speak own language, we have own culture and realy I don't care if anyone from aside like that or not. ....>>>
..>>No one can change our own way of building our country, nation, culture and future. Your comment just is for your self to heal your frustrations, it does not affect anything about us, same as what this idiot from this video. He trying to heal his sexual frustration talking a bullshit in this video. He don't stopping "masturbate" on the front of macedonian image, a real maniak.
Ми като толко обичаш своята държава... защо си написал че живееш в Австралия бе дрисльо!!! ти си един сръбски клоун НЕ си МАКЕДОНЕЦ!!! Такива торни коне като теб действат СРЕЩУ своята държава!!!
The macedonian politicians now are changing the countries strategy. They say: Our secret services were not rearranged after the fall of Yugoslavia. They still are loyal to the Miloshevic ideas of strong Yugoslavia. One of the strategy objective is to be in bad relations with Bulgaria and Greece.
Stefan Verkovic was a SERBIAN missionary in Turkish macedonia for 10 years. In 1860 in Belgrade he published "Folk Songs of the Macedonian Bulgarians" In the forward he wrote: "I have called these songs Bulgarian rather than Slavonic, because today whenever one asks a Macedonian Slav: what are you? On the spot he would reply: I am a Bulgarian and my language is called Bulgarian, although many of the literate people always call themselves Slavjano-Bulgarians.
Видаш ли с диалектите е така че във всеко село си имат свои особености. В България има 8 основни диалектни групи. Вие имате само една македонската, и отчасти шопско-торлашка
Дијалектите на македонскиот јазик се вариации на стандардниот литературен јазик. Македонскиот јазик брои околу 27 дијалекти поделени во три главни групи.
Главната граница помеѓу двата блокови источните и западните дијалекти е планината Скопска Црна Гора, продолжува со реката Вардар па сѐ до Егејското Море (или Бело Море).
Главна особина за западните дијалекти е побавниот тоналитет на дијалектите, употребата на тројниот член и акцентот паѓа на третиот слог од крајот на зборот.
Дијалектите се зборуваат на сета територија на Република Македонија, Пиринска Македонија, Егејска Македонија (Беломорска Македонија), Мала Преспа и Голо Брдо и Јужните делови на Србија.
неможе да има затоа што се знае што е јазик, а што е дијалект. Јазикот е составен од дијалекти, а самиот дијалект во мала рака е народен говор за одредена група на луѓе на одредено подрачје.
Јазик е оној говор или говори што има литература, институции, како академија, има училишта и високи школи, се преведува на други јазици, на него се образувале и се образуваат генерации и генерации, служи како официјално средство на комуникација во една држава.
исто така јазикот има историја, има азбука, правопис, граматика, има институт за негов развој и заштита. ако нема ништо тогаш станува збор замо за наречја.
Сите словенски јазици се слични помеѓу себе, но се и дотолку различни, зошто ако не е така тогаш ќе имало само еден јазик, како што е англискиот за повеке земји.
Da ti kazam deka nemam pojma sto ima, a sto nema vo Bugarskata gramatika. Vo Makedonskata Gramatika nema padezi, ama ima padezni formi, potoa go ima clenot na krajot na zborot sto vo poveke jazici go nema. Za tvoja informacija mnogu jazici vo svetot nemaat padezi, site romanski jazici, osven francuskiot nemaat. megju onie koi nemaat e Angliskiot koj isto taka nema padezi, pa gramatikata ne mu e persijska. Angliskoto -ing e potpolno isto so makedonskoto -jki ima i drugi slicnosti specificni.
Vo Slovenskite jazici kolku sto jas znam ima padezi. Srpsko-hrvatskiot ima 6 padezi, ruskiot jazik isto taka ima padezi (nominativ, akuzativ, ablativ, dativ, genetiv i instumental). Makedonskiot clen na imenkata na krajot na zborot i negovo menuvanje po rod i broj e karakteristicen samo za makedonskiot i edna od glavnite osobini na jazikot, ponataka menliosta na prodavkite, atributot, zakonitosta na akcentiranjeto (naglasokot) se isto taka specificni kaj makedonskiot jazik.
A sto se odnesuva do slicnosta, postojat uste poslicni i pobliski, no sepak razlicni jazici primer se svedskiot i norveskiot. tie dva jazici imaat ista gramatika i pravopis, duri i se razbirlivi eden so drug pri komunikacija. ponataka srpskiot i hrvatskiot se vo gomena mera isti ili slicni, so toa sto hrvatskiot se bazira na t.n. jekavicki govori, srpskiot na ekavickite, no sepak se razlicni jazici i nikoj ne gi osporuva nivnite posebnosti.
Тројниот член што го има во македонскиот јазик никаде го нема. Второ, удвоениот објект тоа е одлика на македонскиот литературен јазик. И трето, минатите времиња со глаголската форма „има.
Овие во цела Македонија се нашироко познати, како и во повеќето македонски дијалекти, надвор од РМ. Тие се трите главни одлики на македонскиот јазик. И сите тие се среќаваат единствено во македонскиот јазик, ниту во еден друг словенски јазик ги нема.
hahaha pa celo vreme ti pisuvam na makedonski jazik, pogolem primer od toa zdravje! ako sakas podetalno da se zapoznaes pocni da izucuvas makedonska gramatika i pravopis!
that is not "троен член", macedonian троен член is: devojceto, dvevojcevo, devojceno, and plural: devojcinjata, devojcinjava, devojcinjana. Look, you can not change the official Macedonian grammar officialy recognised in whole world.
@stogerov: One advise for you: Do not listen that idiot on this video. He just spread hates against Macedonian and Macedonians. His bullshit campaign against us, give us the right to present you facts which are prohibited by political and "quasi national" reasons in your country, but the truth facts.
Защо си пишете на английски бе. The fact is that there is triple article in the rodopean dialect of the Bulgarian language: хорото, хорово, хороно. Not used today As it is not used in FYROM.
tripleMboy or whatever your nick is. You live in a romantic sci-si world, where non-existing nation is the most important in the world. Your policy is naive and stupid. As you do not have arguments. The whole world knows your country is serbian and later yugoslavian product.
Germans and many other languages world wide use the same letter and voice, are al these a serbian? hahah first, if you want to comment anything about macedonian language and spelling, you have to learn and to know Macedonian. You can not talk about macedonian in the point-view of other languages, because that is a separate and native language of Macedonians, and you, probably you don't have a clue what you talking about!!
man, you don't have a clue what you talking about. Macedonians in Pirin part of Macedonia and anywhere in Bulgaria, they used the voice "j". Listen the Macedonian songs performed by some Bulgarian singers and you can see that you are completly wrong, and you don't know anything.
I see you are under impression of Bulgarian propaganda. You are wrong again.
Macedonian alphabet is phonetic, which mean for every voice have a different sign. there is a rule about phonetic alphabets: write as you saying, and read as it is written! Bulgarian, same as Russian alphabet is not phonetic. Macedonian language have 31 voices and 31 signs. compare with serbian and croatian voices, in Macedonian there are 5 different voices, does not matter of the signs which were used.
You watch this video and you don't know what is BG propaganda?:)realy funny. BTW Macedonians speak and use the own language prior to 1945, the same as they spoke before 5 AD, before the arrival of the Bulgars in the Balkans. If you want a proof, you can go to Pirin part of Macedonia in BG between Macedonians, today most of them assimilated, but most of them did not forget their mother language. Also you can watch and listen Macedonian songs on your TV's where you can clear hear the voice "J".
@ sergiomarchelli : A month ago, the German intelligence department, discovered a secret document that speaks about anti-Macedonian activity by Bulgarian spies, agents in Macedonia and in the region of Blagoevgrad district. It is very intresting that, thier activities are same as your comments. Also In that document was mentioned Youtube and some youtube users.
hhahahah you realy don know what you talking about.....hhah first you have to define your-self what you want to talk about! Man you don't have a clue what you talking about. hahha Mixing cyrillic and Roman script, not latin letter hhah what a stupid question. Do you even know how many Roman word have in Bulgarian Standard language? ...?? Is well known that In Macedonian standard language, except the legal terms doesn't have any Roman word.
Eden prijatel me ispravi i vika deka vo srpskiot i vo hrvatskiot imalo 7, znaci 7 padezi (nominativ, genitiv, dativ,akuzativ, vokativ, instrumental i lokativ). Vo ruskiot se 6, i toa: 1. Именительный (кто, что)
Аха и още стига 'бе', стига 'ма', Иване 'бре', Цоно 'мари', де бре де, 'я' стига са изрази срещащи се само във нашия език. В другите славянски ги няма.
хахах прво на македонски: кака-нематаков збор (освен во некој дијалети значи= сере), куче,книга, верига (малку упутребуван, повеќе се употребува синџир)), порој, шума= ги има во македонски и во српскиот јазик.
чичо, сиромах, тојага, шаран, хиљади ги нема во македонскиот, а ги има во српско-хтватски јазик исто се изговараат. на македонски тие се изговараат:чичко (стрико), сиромав, стап, крап, илјади.
Останатите зборови: виря, газя, губер, корем,шуртя - ги нема во македонски, а колку што ми е мене познато ги нема ни во српско хрватски, и незнам ни што значат.
Това че го има във сръбско хърватски е просто защото, до 13 век там е било България, а после старобългаркият език става църковен. Даже във унгарският език има думи от Нандороршак (България по тяхному)
как можеш да предадеш собствения си народ. Ами така както вашите политици и историчари. И без тва по -вечето от тях са власи, цигани и албанци а не македонски славяни.
Какъв ми е изгледа бе. Да не ти приличам на татарин. :-) и Какво ще ми направиш. :-) Вие сте интересни. Всички крадат от вас, зли са имат анти македонски пропаганди :-) Взимали са ви под робство. Не смяташ ли че този свят има и добри страни, че някой може да мисли позитивно.
You are realy a comedian to proclame runic and mykene scripts for macedonian. :-) There was one more alphabet called gotic used in the begining of the new age AD it is very similar to cirilic. And glagolic script is similar to etiopian script
I see that you do not have the cattle knowledge, and also you have no idea either about what you talking about. Sit down and analyse more history, forget your Bulgarian lies and propaganda.
Of course Macedonia has a lot of history but it is not yours. You history is pure bulgarian. You are the kuber bulgarians and not even slaves. The slavians went south near Solun.
Another facts. Tsar (emperor) Samuel you say it is macedonian king that raised and proclamed macedonian state. Bullshit! EVEN ON YOUR DOCUMENTS IT IS WRITTEN BULGARIAN!!! And see macedinian site of the Miladinovtsi Zbornik. Even on the macedonian site the foto is authentic and it is written: Бѧлгарски Народни Пѣсни (ѧ this is oum=nasal o)
In the republic of Macedonia there is no freedom of the speech! If someone wants to say he is bulgarian will be prosecuted. After 1945 200 000 people with clear bulgarian consciousness have been sent to concenration camps.
the truth is the next: in Bulgaria, not only that there was no freedom of speech, but there was not civil or human rights. Proof of that are the judgments of the Court in Strasbourg (OMO ILINDEN case), and also the latest reports of U.S. State Department and Commission for Human Rights of Council of Europe. Also the latest report of High Commission for Human Rights of UN. You can read these reports on the internet.
do not talk nonsense. 200 000 have to be known their names, this is a great figure, can not be this event, if is truth not to be noted. because there is not proof of that happened, conclusion is that is a simple lie from your propaganda.
still I haven't saw one of your facts. Only Bulgarian dirty propaganda based on the falsified documents. Do you think some one believed you? If you match your document with those in major European countries, from their archives, about Macedonian activities during the period of time for the last 100 and more years you can see what is falsified in "your" documents.
ok one simle fact: AZBOUKA=азбука comes from the first letters in cirilic alfabet Аз, Боукы, Веде If it is treated like sentence 'Az buki vede' it means 'I know the letters'.
And it is Az not Jaz like you say it. Ja is slavic Az is proto-blgarian (in kurdish is also Az)
Macedonians have more deep roots in culture and literacy than Bulgarians, according to the appropriation of only part of that literacy in itself means a falsification.
Both ancient macedonian alphabets from the ancient macedonian dia system later were the base for many derivated alphabets of some ancient macedonian tribes who composed the variant alphabets adapted to their dialects. Such is the case with the vinds, Phoenicians, Venets, Etruscans, Pelazgians (Belazgians), Lelezians, Lichians, Indians, cretian tribes etc.
They can all be treated as ancient macedonian tribes in the frame works of the ancient macedonian language because they spoke an ancient macedonian pre language so that's why they are the subject of research of ancient macedonians. Even the attempts with the so - called pictorial A and B alphabet and the linear A and B alphabet failed because as derivations and modifications they were pushed out by the ancient macedonian substratum
which in itself contained the simplest graphic and phonetic system that is, the simplest vocal vowel and consonantal system which means a multi functional and very simple system in everyday use and communication.
Probably it is the reason why in the year 6363 from the creation of the world that is the year 855 or the year 863 A.D. and the holly Salonika brothers Kiril and Metodi who have macedonian and all slav reformational recognition as well as their predecessor the great macedonian and all slav educater, historian, scientist and poet TRP RUEN
probably in the year 6075 from the creation of the world or in the year 567 A.D. as well as Kliment Ohridski - the great macedonian and all slav educator, scientist, translator, "replacer of the letters" of the glagolithic with those of the ancient macedonian alphabet in the year 6400 from Adam or in the year 893 - 894 A.D. and the founder of the Ohrid university with 3.500 students who as much as possible used the perfectly arranged ancient macedonian alphabets as the source,
as a prototype in the so called composition of the middle aged macedonian alphabets (conditionally called ruenithic, glagolithic and cyrilic) with a more complicated vowel system with the presence of diphthongs and nasals but with an unchanged ancient macedonian simplified specific perfect consonantal system especially utilised in the cyrilic by a rare erudite as Kliment who untill his death on the 27 of july 6424 from the creation of the world
or till the year 916 of the new era was preoccupied with an impressive literal work. In this context the words of the romeian (Byzantian) emperor Mihail III (824 - 867) derive exceptional meaning when he was addressing Constantine - Kiril and he told him:"Because you are people of Solun (Salonika)
and the people from Solun speak in pure slav". see the ancient macedonian scripts: w w w.unet.c o m.m k/ ancient-macedonians-part2/images/52.gif
Hhahahahaahaaaaa Jezzz you realy have the nerve to lie or to still. :-) This is runic script. And the ancient macedonians never use it (they write greek) But the runes are used by the proto-bulgarians 8 scripts are found. Also runes are used by the normans and celts.
And the greeks arn't the only onece who had alfabet at that time.
Klimen Ohridski is born in Moesia he was send to Ohrid by the bulgarian king. And there was no macedonian state then it was part of the Bulgarian Empire
Глаголицита кога се изговара тоа е молитва. Еве го точниот превод од старословенски на македонски. Истиот е и на руски и на српско-хрватски, на основните имиња на буквите по редослед:
sila - сила// Zemlje - земјена // i - и, (иже јеси)// je - знае// Kako - kako // ljudi - луѓето // mislite - мислат // naš - Наш // on - Оче небески // Pokoj - вселената // Reci - зборовите // Slovo - словото // tvrdo - потврденото // uk - учење. //
lets try in english: Az - Our Father Buki - almighty god Vedi - look us Glagol' -words Dobro -Good Yest' -There is Z'elo Zhivite -Live Zeml'ia -Earth Izhe
Phita I - and Kako - how L'iudi -People Myslite -Think Nash -Ours Ksi On - God the supreme Pokoj - universum Rci - the worgs Slovo -Word Tverdo -Hard Uk - education
And there are people who are paid to create ethnic tension. Just to keep the fire active. But, this people have false argumentation, and poems for history.
The so called macedonism keeps Macedonia in isolation by the other balkan countries. This is a policy who creates potential matching point on the balkans. There are people in this world who like the word WAR, because the make the biggest profits ever then.
The designation Old Bulgarian (German: Altbulgarisch) was introduced in the 19th century by August Schleicher, Martin Hattala, Leopold Geitler, and August Leskien[21][22], who noted the similarities between the first literary Slavic works and the modern Bulgarian language. For similar reasons Russian linguist Aleksandr Vostokov used the term Slav-Bulgarian.
thou hast not guilty, because you learn that from falsified books, which is Bulgaria government for the last more than 100 years fabricated that constructing lie in complicity with the Greece and Serbia.
This concept was fall down just when Serbia saw the truth and voluntarily recognized Macedonia and the people after WWII. The concept of Bulgarian nation, culture and language, as well as the Greek was made so that the Macedonian entity must disappear, as would be confirmed to your quasi fact that a small Poor and peasant people of Mongolian origin can be a great culture in the Balkans.
This is true, and Greece, which wants to restore Byzantine on the basis of disappearing of Macedonian entity. But if you can defer you can not completely abolish the truth. The truth emerges once again to the surface.
Old Bulgarian (ѩӡыкъ блъгарьскъ) is also widely used[20] and is the only designation used by Bulgarian linguistics, as it corresponds to the earliest form of written Bulgarian, followed by Middle Bulgarian (Church Slavonic language) and New Bulgarian (the modern Bulgarian language).
If you don't understand bulgarian tongue -The teritory of ancient macedonia is entirely in the borders of today Greece.The teritory of today's Fyromistan was occupied by thracian tribes (most of it) and illyrian tribes (the western part).Who are your ancestors indeed?
In the ancient town of Philippi, located 12 kilometers from Kavala, an inscription of Khan Pressian was discovered, which reads: "Pressian, appointed prince of the many Bulgars by God, sent the caukhan Isbul after giving him an army, and the boyila Ichurgu, and the khan boyila Kolovur, and the caukhan, against the Smolyans." It means that the Bulgars and the Slavic Smolyans, who inhabited southeastern Macedonia, waged war against each other.
Another inscription says: "The Bulgars made many good deeds to the Christians and the Christians forgot all about them": a reproach directed by the Bulgars at the Byzantines for their refusal to aid the Bulgarian army in their struggles with the Strymians. As can be observed, relations between Bulgars and Slavs were oft a state of war and the written records confirm this. However, there are not any written records about cohabitation between the Bulgars and Slavs.
"...he had powerful enemy forces... from the regions in Asia, Europe, Thrace, Macedonia, Thessaly and from the surrounding Sclaveni." According to the peace treaty dated 814, the Bulgars fought on the side of the Romaeans in the defense of Constantinople and were direct opponents to the Slavs of Macedonia. In those years, the Bulgarian Slavs had never been named as Sclaveni. In general, throughout the entire period,
the Macedonian Sclaveni resisted both the Bulgars and the Byzantines in their attempts to enclose them into large administrative units, themes, similar to those of Thessaloniki and Strymon in the 9th century.
Having in mind that the mass Christianization of the Macedonian Slavs was carried out in the mid-9th century, when no symbiosis of any kind existed between Bulgarians and Macedonian Slavs, it must be stressed that there are no arguments whatsoever to connect the medieval Bulgarians with the Christianization of the Slavs in Macedonia and with the appearance of literacy on Macedonian territory. The reason for this is simple:
Consequently, it can not be a question of an Old Bulgarian language in speaking of the appearance of Slav literacy and its subsequent dispersal over the entire territory settled by the Slavs. In support of this statement the following fact should be considered: the language in which literacy was spread was strange even to Prince Boris himself, because a Slavonic tongue was accepted as the state language in Bulgaria as late as 893, at the Preslav council.
The concepts of "Bulgarian Slavs" and "Slavs of a Bulgarian group", particularly when used to label the Macedonian Slavs, are historically unsustainable because Old Bulgarian was formed and developed in Bulgaria as late as the second half of the 9th century and cannot be connected with the language of Cyril and Methodius.
Irrespective of what efforts were and are made to suggest such a linkage, the Slavonic tongue of the Thessaloniki brothers is older than the Old Bulgarian language of Prince Boris.
This what you said is the greatest nonsense I have ever heard. If you do not understand the history, would be better that you do something else that you understood. Greeks history have different story about Sclavins which is false too.
have you ever been to Bulgaria? Have you seen bulgarians ever? If you see tell me who is darker you: vardar bulgars or we the danube bulgars. And stop saing about mongolia. everyone knows thats a communist lie, like U language and nation
You are spreading unreal bullshit. The old Bulgarian written language is not genuine. It is synthetic language created to be understood by all slavians!!!
Paysiy Hilendarski wrotes that some of the apostols of Cyril and Metodius collect words from Velikomoravia.
Please, Macedonian language does not exist before 1945. And also Macedonian state between 5th and 20 cent there is no state called macedonia. Moreover the ancient Macedonians are moving to thrace durring the roman empire.
This video is an expression of the right for own scientific opinion of professor Bojidar Dimitrov, it does not harm anyones ethnic origin. It is not a battle today to proove the truth. The truth has been known for centuries already. Our goal is you to learn it.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
The FYROMians are stealing the heritage of other peoples to justify their fictitious nationality.Those braiwashed idiots are falsifying history and are making fools of themselves.The People of FYROM are 70% Bulgarians and 30% Albanians just as Prof.Bozhidar Dimitrov says.
Антична Македония е гръцка държава. Целият свят го знае!
nachev3 3 months ago
Божидаре, съвземи се!!!! "Македония била гръцка държава"?! - Само комунистите в БГ подържат гръцкия шовинизъм!!! Докога, Божидаре, събуди се!
balkhara 10 months ago
This strategy will create vaccum in the region and most of the balkanian states will not create Union. You "македончиня" are like the Pavlov's dogs, when you see red light you begin to bark. How pathetic, how patriotic....to dig your own countrie's grave!!!
stogerov 2 years ago
that's your dream? hahah you can dream that dream you can do whatever you like by you self, but that never gonna happen. All that what you said is lie. Sorry man, we don't have any problem with our identity and our language and culture. Also we don't need to ask anyone from the side what we have to do with our selves. We live in own country, we speak own language, we have own culture and realy I don't care if anyone from aside like that or not. ....>>>
tripleMboy 2 years ago
..>>No one can change our own way of building our country, nation, culture and future. Your comment just is for your self to heal your frustrations, it does not affect anything about us, same as what this idiot from this video. He trying to heal his sexual frustration talking a bullshit in this video. He don't stopping "masturbate" on the front of macedonian image, a real maniak.
tripleMboy 2 years ago
You really suck. You are probably agent of that services of Servia!!!
stogerov 2 years ago
hahahah no worry... enjoy watching that idiot from your video. Watch how he abuse your brains...
tripleMboy 2 years ago
Ми като толко обичаш своята държава... защо си написал че живееш в Австралия бе дрисльо!!! ти си един сръбски клоун НЕ си МАКЕДОНЕЦ!!! Такива торни коне като теб действат СРЕЩУ своята държава!!!
stogerov 2 years ago
The macedonian politicians now are changing the countries strategy. They say: Our secret services were not rearranged after the fall of Yugoslavia. They still are loyal to the Miloshevic ideas of strong Yugoslavia. One of the strategy objective is to be in bad relations with Bulgaria and Greece.
stogerov 2 years ago
bullshit. you don't have a clue what you talking about. does not matter, you can spy what ever you like but without success... hahhah
tripleMboy 2 years ago
Овој само-деклариран Татарин ли ве лаже бре?
Македонија била грчка држава? хахахахаха..................
Читјте документите:
historyofmacedonia . org
tzvekeeto 2 years ago
Македония е била и винаги ще бъде гръцки
6981266496 3 years ago
koga aleksandar i filip se izjasnile kako GRCI???
KOGA??
AJDE KAZETE NAJKULTURNO KADE VO KOJ DOKUMENT???
makedonec1913 2 years ago
They weren't greeks. Ancient Greeks in fact are different tribes, thracian tribes, etc. nowadays greeks are just mixture, they came later.
Cheers.
sergiomarchelli 2 years ago
loong before there were any greeks there it was populated. You don't have any copyright on this.
sergiomarchelli 2 years ago
Bulgarian War-Crimes against Macedonians during WWII
h t t p :// w w w.youtube. c o m/watch?v=VUUcixZEeRk&feature=channel_page
tripleMboy 3 years ago
triplle boy please do not bother me with firomian sci-fiction.
stogerov 3 years ago
Stefan Verkovic was a SERBIAN missionary in Turkish macedonia for 10 years. In 1860 in Belgrade he published "Folk Songs of the Macedonian Bulgarians" In the forward he wrote: "I have called these songs Bulgarian rather than Slavonic, because today whenever one asks a Macedonian Slav: what are you? On the spot he would reply: I am a Bulgarian and my language is called Bulgarian, although many of the literate people always call themselves Slavjano-Bulgarians.
KINGGIBARA 2 years ago
very nice movie too
and it's macedonian, no doubt
/watch?v=ANpe0hwnYhA&NR=1
KINGGIBARA 2 years ago
Видаш ли с диалектите е така че във всеко село си имат свои особености. В България има 8 основни диалектни групи. Вие имате само една македонската, и отчасти шопско-торлашка
stogerov 3 years ago
Дијалектите на македонскиот јазик се вариации на стандардниот литературен јазик. Македонскиот јазик брои околу 27 дијалекти поделени во три главни групи.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Главната граница помеѓу двата блокови источните и западните дијалекти е планината Скопска Црна Гора, продолжува со реката Вардар па сѐ до Егејското Море (или Бело Море).
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Главна особина за западните дијалекти е побавниот тоналитет на дијалектите, употребата на тројниот член и акцентот паѓа на третиот слог од крајот на зборот.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Заедничка особина за источните дијалекти е побрзиот тоналитет на зборување, кратење на зборовите и променлива позиција на акцентот.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Дијалектите се зборуваат на сета територија на Република Македонија, Пиринска Македонија, Егејска Македонија (Беломорска Македонија), Мала Преспа и Голо Брдо и Јужните делови на Србија.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Това го знам, въпроса е че имамаме още 7 езика като макядонския имах в предвид.
stogerov 3 years ago
неможе да има затоа што се знае што е јазик, а што е дијалект. Јазикот е составен од дијалекти, а самиот дијалект во мала рака е народен говор за одредена група на луѓе на одредено подрачје.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Јазик е оној говор или говори што има литература, институции, како академија, има училишта и високи школи, се преведува на други јазици, на него се образувале и се образуваат генерации и генерации, служи како официјално средство на комуникација во една држава.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
исто така јазикот има историја, има азбука, правопис, граматика, има институт за негов развој и заштита. ако нема ништо тогаш станува збор замо за наречја.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Сите словенски јазици се слични помеѓу себе, но се и дотолку различни, зошто ако не е така тогаш ќе имало само еден јазик, како што е англискиот за повеке земји.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
така е но как ще обясниш това че в другите славянски езици има падежи, а в нашия няма. :-) Защото нашата граматика е персийска
stogerov 3 years ago
Da ti kazam deka nemam pojma sto ima, a sto nema vo Bugarskata gramatika. Vo Makedonskata Gramatika nema padezi, ama ima padezni formi, potoa go ima clenot na krajot na zborot sto vo poveke jazici go nema. Za tvoja informacija mnogu jazici vo svetot nemaat padezi, site romanski jazici, osven francuskiot nemaat. megju onie koi nemaat e Angliskiot koj isto taka nema padezi, pa gramatikata ne mu e persijska. Angliskoto -ing e potpolno isto so makedonskoto -jki ima i drugi slicnosti specificni.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Благодаря за инфото но тези неща ги знаем. Българската и македонската граматика са идентични.
Само дето в българския има 3 члена за мъжки род: -ът, -ат, -ят. Пишейки ти глегам телевизия.
Аз говоря и френски :-) Въпросот е че в славянските няма падежи.
stogerov 3 years ago
Vo Slovenskite jazici kolku sto jas znam ima padezi. Srpsko-hrvatskiot ima 6 padezi, ruskiot jazik isto taka ima padezi (nominativ, akuzativ, ablativ, dativ, genetiv i instumental). Makedonskiot clen na imenkata na krajot na zborot i negovo menuvanje po rod i broj e karakteristicen samo za makedonskiot i edna od glavnite osobini na jazikot, ponataka menliosta na prodavkite, atributot, zakonitosta na akcentiranjeto (naglasokot) se isto taka specificni kaj makedonskiot jazik.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
A sto se odnesuva do slicnosta, postojat uste poslicni i pobliski, no sepak razlicni jazici primer se svedskiot i norveskiot. tie dva jazici imaat ista gramatika i pravopis, duri i se razbirlivi eden so drug pri komunikacija. ponataka srpskiot i hrvatskiot se vo gomena mera isti ili slicni, so toa sto hrvatskiot se bazira na t.n. jekavicki govori, srpskiot na ekavickite, no sepak se razlicni jazici i nikoj ne gi osporuva nivnite posebnosti.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Тројниот член што го има во македонскиот јазик никаде го нема. Второ, удвоениот објект тоа е одлика на македонскиот литературен јазик. И трето, минатите времиња со глаголската форма „има.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Овие во цела Македонија се нашироко познати, како и во повеќето македонски дијалекти, надвор од РМ. Тие се трите главни одлики на македонскиот јазик. И сите тие се среќаваат единствено во македонскиот јазик, ниту во еден друг словенски јазик ги нема.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
я дай пример. :-)
stogerov 3 years ago
hahaha pa celo vreme ti pisuvam na makedonski jazik, pogolem primer od toa zdravje! ako sakas podetalno da se zapoznaes pocni da izucuvas makedonska gramatika i pravopis!
tripleMboy 3 years ago
момичено, момичего, момичето. Ако това наричаш троен член има го и в родопските диалекти.
виж която и да е родопска песен.
stogerov 2 years ago
that is not "троен член", macedonian троен член is: devojceto, dvevojcevo, devojceno, and plural: devojcinjata, devojcinjava, devojcinjana. Look, you can not change the official Macedonian grammar officialy recognised in whole world.
tripleMboy 2 years ago
@stogerov: One advise for you: Do not listen that idiot on this video. He just spread hates against Macedonian and Macedonians. His bullshit campaign against us, give us the right to present you facts which are prohibited by political and "quasi national" reasons in your country, but the truth facts.
tripleMboy 2 years ago
Защо си пишете на английски бе. The fact is that there is triple article in the rodopean dialect of the Bulgarian language: хорото, хорово, хороно. Not used today As it is not used in FYROM.
stogerov 2 years ago
tripleMboy or whatever your nick is. You live in a romantic sci-si world, where non-existing nation is the most important in the world. Your policy is naive and stupid. As you do not have arguments. The whole world knows your country is serbian and later yugoslavian product.
stogerov 2 years ago
Why you use the serbian writing "j"? This came from serbia. You don't have originaly "j".
sergiomarchelli 2 years ago
Germans and many other languages world wide use the same letter and voice, are al these a serbian? hahah first, if you want to comment anything about macedonian language and spelling, you have to learn and to know Macedonian. You can not talk about macedonian in the point-view of other languages, because that is a separate and native language of Macedonians, and you, probably you don't have a clue what you talking about!!
tripleMboy 2 years ago
I know many languages, including yours.
the using of "j" you took from the serbians, otherwise you can show me historical documents before 1944 that in your official language there is "j".
Of course you were part of Jugoslavia and they put it in your education.
sergiomarchelli 2 years ago
man, you don't have a clue what you talking about. Macedonians in Pirin part of Macedonia and anywhere in Bulgaria, they used the voice "j". Listen the Macedonian songs performed by some Bulgarian singers and you can see that you are completly wrong, and you don't know anything.
tripleMboy 2 years ago
it is not the voice "j" but the letter in latin taken from Serbia. IN writing. Of course you say j.
sergiomarchelli 2 years ago
I see you are under impression of Bulgarian propaganda. You are wrong again.
Macedonian alphabet is phonetic, which mean for every voice have a different sign. there is a rule about phonetic alphabets: write as you saying, and read as it is written! Bulgarian, same as Russian alphabet is not phonetic. Macedonian language have 31 voices and 31 signs. compare with serbian and croatian voices, in Macedonian there are 5 different voices, does not matter of the signs which were used.
tripleMboy 2 years ago
I don't know what is BUlgarian propaganda.
Show me early text document where we can see the letter "j" written in the way that nowadays you write it. with Latin "j".
sergiomarchelli 2 years ago
You watch this video and you don't know what is BG propaganda?:)realy funny. BTW Macedonians speak and use the own language prior to 1945, the same as they spoke before 5 AD, before the arrival of the Bulgars in the Balkans. If you want a proof, you can go to Pirin part of Macedonia in BG between Macedonians, today most of them assimilated, but most of them did not forget their mother language. Also you can watch and listen Macedonian songs on your TV's where you can clear hear the voice "J".
tripleMboy 2 years ago
@ sergiomarchelli : A month ago, the German intelligence department, discovered a secret document that speaks about anti-Macedonian activity by Bulgarian spies, agents in Macedonia and in the region of Blagoevgrad district. It is very intresting that, thier activities are same as your comments. Also In that document was mentioned Youtube and some youtube users.
tripleMboy 2 years ago
not the voice "j" but the letter in latin which you are using.
"devojceto" Mixed cirillic and latin. That you took from serbian.
If it is 5 AD, maybe you can show me example, document where you can see macedonian language from this time?
sergiomarchelli 2 years ago
hhahahah you realy don know what you talking about.....hhah first you have to define your-self what you want to talk about! Man you don't have a clue what you talking about. hahha Mixing cyrillic and Roman script, not latin letter hhah what a stupid question. Do you even know how many Roman word have in Bulgarian Standard language? ...?? Is well known that In Macedonian standard language, except the legal terms doesn't have any Roman word.
tripleMboy 2 years ago
Айде бегай си во Македония оти немаш веки каков да го дириш съде!!!
stogerov 2 years ago
I am not talking about words with latin roots.
Read more carefully.
I am talking about latin LETTER you mix with the cirillic letters. This you took from Serbia.
There are latin words in most every language, but we are talking about latin letters mixed with the cirillic.
sergiomarchelli 2 years ago
@tripleMboy You should immediately seek medical attention!
DeyanBG 1 year ago
Eden prijatel me ispravi i vika deka vo srpskiot i vo hrvatskiot imalo 7, znaci 7 padezi (nominativ, genitiv, dativ,akuzativ, vokativ, instrumental i lokativ). Vo ruskiot se 6, i toa: 1. Именительный (кто, что)
2. Родительный (кого, чего)
3. Дательный (кому, чему)
4. Винительный (кого, что)
5. Творительный (кем, чем)
6. Предложный (о ком, о чём )
tripleMboy 3 years ago
във всички славянски езици са токлова. ама в нашият нема. аз това то говоря от 3 дни!!!
stogerov 3 years ago
tripleMboy
See what is going on in macedonia
Watch and listen very carefully right to the end
Very, Very, Very interesting
Do not miss it
watch?v=uzTSOIIDAk8
Take care my friend!
KINGGIBARA 2 years ago
Трипъл: Честита Баба Марта!!!
Тя македонка ли е? :-)
stogerov 3 years ago
може е гркиња не знам :))) јазиците и нивните разлики е интересна тема за коментирање, али ако е без вреѓање.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Ма това си е чист зороастрийски обичай, както и нестинарството.
stogerov 3 years ago
А сега ще ти докажа че ти говориш език в който има пра-български думииии:
кака, куче, книга, батко, чичо, верига, белег, виря, газя, губер, корем, сиромах, тояга, порой, шума, шуртя, шаран и мноого други. има ги хиляди.
stogerov 3 years ago
Аха и още стига 'бе', стига 'ма', Иване 'бре', Цоно 'мари', де бре де, 'я' стига са изрази срещащи се само във нашия език. В другите славянски ги няма.
stogerov 3 years ago
хахах прво на македонски: кака-нематаков збор (освен во некој дијалети значи= сере), куче,книга, верига (малку упутребуван, повеќе се употребува синџир)), порој, шума= ги има во македонски и во српскиот јазик.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
чичо, сиромах, тојага, шаран, хиљади ги нема во македонскиот, а ги има во српско-хтватски јазик исто се изговараат. на македонски тие се изговараат:чичко (стрико), сиромав, стап, крап, илјади.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Останатите зборови: виря, газя, губер, корем,шуртя - ги нема во македонски, а колку што ми е мене познато ги нема ни во српско хрватски, и незнам ни што значат.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
зборот „братко го нема на македонски, тој го има во Кумановскиот и нишкиот дијалект. На Македонски е брату или деминитивна форма братче.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Ти май не разбираш докрай български. Написах че има хиляди такива думи. 'Хиляда' е гръцка дума.
не знаеш значи какво означава. Батко ми гази по шума. Или Наририл си перото. :-)
stogerov 3 years ago
И не е сборот братко, туку БАТКО (още брайно, бате, бай)
stogerov 3 years ago
Това че го има във сръбско хърватски е просто защото, до 13 век там е било България, а после старобългаркият език става църковен. Даже във унгарският език има думи от Нандороршак (България по тяхному)
stogerov 3 years ago
Имам молба не пиши reply а post text comment.
Ака по лесно други ще четат македонският гений. :-)
stogerov 3 years ago
молба=прашанjе= (бг) прошение
а = туку
stogerov 3 years ago
Историjата на република Македониjа е чиста фантазия. Ништо повеке.
stogerov 3 years ago
Историјата за македонија е факт, и вистината допрва ќе излезе на виделина, не се ти секирај многу за тоа.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Дано да стане така побратиме! Защото истината е на моя страна. Сигурен съм че ти си роден македонец, но ще умреш като македонски българин. :-)
stogerov 3 years ago
Кој како што се родил така и ќе умре. Само предавниците тие умираат поинаку, а јас не сум таков како што можеш да видиш! :)
tripleMboy 3 years ago
как можеш да предадеш собствения си народ. Ами така както вашите политици и историчари. И без тва по -вечето от тях са власи, цигани и албанци а не македонски славяни.
stogerov 3 years ago
Слусај јас за мене знам што сум и немој да ме вреѓаш лично. Ако ти незнаш што си, а по се изгледа и незнаеш што си твој проблем
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Какъв ми е изгледа бе. Да не ти приличам на татарин. :-) и Какво ще ми направиш. :-) Вие сте интересни. Всички крадат от вас, зли са имат анти македонски пропаганди :-) Взимали са ви под робство. Не смяташ ли че този свят има и добри страни, че някой може да мисли позитивно.
stogerov 3 years ago
И забележи наборе. АЗ НЕ ТЕ ОБИЖДАМ ЛИЧНО.
Ти си си какъвто си. Аз говоря за политиката на твоята страна не за теб. В момента в който речеш нещо лично ке те блокирам :-)
stogerov 3 years ago
Ок, голем поздрав! нешто и другите нека кажат! :)
tripleMboy 3 years ago
You are realy a comedian to proclame runic and mykene scripts for macedonian. :-) There was one more alphabet called gotic used in the begining of the new age AD it is very similar to cirilic. And glagolic script is similar to etiopian script
stogerov 3 years ago
I see that you do not have the cattle knowledge, and also you have no idea either about what you talking about. Sit down and analyse more history, forget your Bulgarian lies and propaganda.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Of course Macedonia has a lot of history but it is not yours. You history is pure bulgarian. You are the kuber bulgarians and not even slaves. The slavians went south near Solun.
stogerov 3 years ago
Another facts. Tsar (emperor) Samuel you say it is macedonian king that raised and proclamed macedonian state. Bullshit! EVEN ON YOUR DOCUMENTS IT IS WRITTEN BULGARIAN!!! And see macedinian site of the Miladinovtsi Zbornik. Even on the macedonian site the foto is authentic and it is written: Бѧлгарски Народни Пѣсни (ѧ this is oum=nasal o)
stogerov 3 years ago
In the republic of Macedonia there is no freedom of the speech! If someone wants to say he is bulgarian will be prosecuted. After 1945 200 000 people with clear bulgarian consciousness have been sent to concenration camps.
stogerov 3 years ago
the truth is the next: in Bulgaria, not only that there was no freedom of speech, but there was not civil or human rights. Proof of that are the judgments of the Court in Strasbourg (OMO ILINDEN case), and also the latest reports of U.S. State Department and Commission for Human Rights of Council of Europe. Also the latest report of High Commission for Human Rights of UN. You can read these reports on the internet.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
do not talk nonsense. 200 000 have to be known their names, this is a great figure, can not be this event, if is truth not to be noted. because there is not proof of that happened, conclusion is that is a simple lie from your propaganda.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
о моля те ти си сляп. Вие имате пропаганда и белетристичари историчари. Ние имаме доказателства и журналисти и историци. И цял свят ви се смее.
stogerov 3 years ago
still I haven't saw one of your facts. Only Bulgarian dirty propaganda based on the falsified documents. Do you think some one believed you? If you match your document with those in major European countries, from their archives, about Macedonian activities during the period of time for the last 100 and more years you can see what is falsified in "your" documents.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
ok one simle fact: AZBOUKA=азбука comes from the first letters in cirilic alfabet Аз, Боукы, Веде If it is treated like sentence 'Az buki vede' it means 'I know the letters'.
And it is Az not Jaz like you say it. Ja is slavic Az is proto-blgarian (in kurdish is also Az)
stogerov 3 years ago
Macedonians have more deep roots in culture and literacy than Bulgarians, according to the appropriation of only part of that literacy in itself means a falsification.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Both ancient macedonian alphabets from the ancient macedonian dia system later were the base for many derivated alphabets of some ancient macedonian tribes who composed the variant alphabets adapted to their dialects. Such is the case with the vinds, Phoenicians, Venets, Etruscans, Pelazgians (Belazgians), Lelezians, Lichians, Indians, cretian tribes etc.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
They can all be treated as ancient macedonian tribes in the frame works of the ancient macedonian language because they spoke an ancient macedonian pre language so that's why they are the subject of research of ancient macedonians. Even the attempts with the so - called pictorial A and B alphabet and the linear A and B alphabet failed because as derivations and modifications they were pushed out by the ancient macedonian substratum
tripleMboy 3 years ago
which in itself contained the simplest graphic and phonetic system that is, the simplest vocal vowel and consonantal system which means a multi functional and very simple system in everyday use and communication.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Probably it is the reason why in the year 6363 from the creation of the world that is the year 855 or the year 863 A.D. and the holly Salonika brothers Kiril and Metodi who have macedonian and all slav reformational recognition as well as their predecessor the great macedonian and all slav educater, historian, scientist and poet TRP RUEN
tripleMboy 3 years ago
probably in the year 6075 from the creation of the world or in the year 567 A.D. as well as Kliment Ohridski - the great macedonian and all slav educator, scientist, translator, "replacer of the letters" of the glagolithic with those of the ancient macedonian alphabet in the year 6400 from Adam or in the year 893 - 894 A.D. and the founder of the Ohrid university with 3.500 students who as much as possible used the perfectly arranged ancient macedonian alphabets as the source,
tripleMboy 3 years ago
as a prototype in the so called composition of the middle aged macedonian alphabets (conditionally called ruenithic, glagolithic and cyrilic) with a more complicated vowel system with the presence of diphthongs and nasals but with an unchanged ancient macedonian simplified specific perfect consonantal system especially utilised in the cyrilic by a rare erudite as Kliment who untill his death on the 27 of july 6424 from the creation of the world
tripleMboy 3 years ago
or till the year 916 of the new era was preoccupied with an impressive literal work. In this context the words of the romeian (Byzantian) emperor Mihail III (824 - 867) derive exceptional meaning when he was addressing Constantine - Kiril and he told him:"Because you are people of Solun (Salonika)
and the people from Solun speak in pure slav". see the ancient macedonian scripts: w w w.unet.c o m.m k/ ancient-macedonians-part2/images/52.gif
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Hhahahahaahaaaaa Jezzz you realy have the nerve to lie or to still. :-) This is runic script. And the ancient macedonians never use it (they write greek) But the runes are used by the proto-bulgarians 8 scripts are found. Also runes are used by the normans and celts.
And the greeks arn't the only onece who had alfabet at that time.
stogerov 3 years ago
hahaha you want to say that Bulgars come to Balkan 4000 years BC and left that scripts. hahahah
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Klimen Ohridski is born in Moesia he was send to Ohrid by the bulgarian king. And there was no macedonian state then it was part of the Bulgarian Empire
stogerov 3 years ago
Глаголицита кога се изговара тоа е молитва. Еве го точниот превод од старословенски на македонски. Истиот е и на руски и на српско-хрватски, на основните имиња на буквите по редослед:
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Az - Создавателу//
Buk - Боже Семоќен//
Vid - погледни ги//
Glagolje - зборовите //
Dobra - добри//
Est - Тие се//
Živit - од жива//
tripleMboy 3 years ago
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there is more, some of the letters are borrowed from Romei alphabet, we have to see what these mean in Romei.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
tripleMboy 3 years ago
ово jе некаква особена старо-македонска глаголица :-)
stogerov 3 years ago
And there are people who are paid to create ethnic tension. Just to keep the fire active. But, this people have false argumentation, and poems for history.
stogerov 3 years ago
The so called macedonism keeps Macedonia in isolation by the other balkan countries. This is a policy who creates potential matching point on the balkans. There are people in this world who like the word WAR, because the make the biggest profits ever then.
stogerov 3 years ago
The designation Old Bulgarian (German: Altbulgarisch) was introduced in the 19th century by August Schleicher, Martin Hattala, Leopold Geitler, and August Leskien[21][22], who noted the similarities between the first literary Slavic works and the modern Bulgarian language. For similar reasons Russian linguist Aleksandr Vostokov used the term Slav-Bulgarian.
stogerov 3 years ago
thou hast not guilty, because you learn that from falsified books, which is Bulgaria government for the last more than 100 years fabricated that constructing lie in complicity with the Greece and Serbia.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
This concept was fall down just when Serbia saw the truth and voluntarily recognized Macedonia and the people after WWII. The concept of Bulgarian nation, culture and language, as well as the Greek was made so that the Macedonian entity must disappear, as would be confirmed to your quasi fact that a small Poor and peasant people of Mongolian origin can be a great culture in the Balkans.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
This is true, and Greece, which wants to restore Byzantine on the basis of disappearing of Macedonian entity. But if you can defer you can not completely abolish the truth. The truth emerges once again to the surface.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
this is from english book. the truth is your history is a farce false
stogerov 3 years ago
Old Bulgarian (ѩӡыкъ блъгарьскъ) is also widely used[20] and is the only designation used by Bulgarian linguistics, as it corresponds to the earliest form of written Bulgarian, followed by Middle Bulgarian (Church Slavonic language) and New Bulgarian (the modern Bulgarian language).
stogerov 3 years ago
this is bull shit.... this is stupid Sheppard not historian..
tripleMboy 3 years ago
абе то ти си си пастир ама не щеш да си признаеш
stogerov 3 years ago
ako trgnete po umot na ovoj budalata koj se narekuva Istoricar, a koj e obicen ovcar, tesko vas tatarite.....
tripleMboy 3 years ago
хахахахаха ти си будала защото Божидар Димитров е историк, професор по история във институция признавана в цяла европа, а не историчар.
stogerov 3 years ago
If you don't understand bulgarian tongue -The teritory of ancient macedonia is entirely in the borders of today Greece.The teritory of today's Fyromistan was occupied by thracian tribes (most of it) and illyrian tribes (the western part).Who are your ancestors indeed?
izkormvach 3 years ago
In the ancient town of Philippi, located 12 kilometers from Kavala, an inscription of Khan Pressian was discovered, which reads: "Pressian, appointed prince of the many Bulgars by God, sent the caukhan Isbul after giving him an army, and the boyila Ichurgu, and the khan boyila Kolovur, and the caukhan, against the Smolyans." It means that the Bulgars and the Slavic Smolyans, who inhabited southeastern Macedonia, waged war against each other.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Another inscription says: "The Bulgars made many good deeds to the Christians and the Christians forgot all about them": a reproach directed by the Bulgars at the Byzantines for their refusal to aid the Bulgarian army in their struggles with the Strymians. As can be observed, relations between Bulgars and Slavs were oft a state of war and the written records confirm this. However, there are not any written records about cohabitation between the Bulgars and Slavs.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Furthermore, when the rebel Thomas the Slav and his soldiers besieged Constantinople in 821-823, a chronicler of that time noted: "
tripleMboy 3 years ago
"...he had powerful enemy forces... from the regions in Asia, Europe, Thrace, Macedonia, Thessaly and from the surrounding Sclaveni." According to the peace treaty dated 814, the Bulgars fought on the side of the Romaeans in the defense of Constantinople and were direct opponents to the Slavs of Macedonia. In those years, the Bulgarian Slavs had never been named as Sclaveni. In general, throughout the entire period,
tripleMboy 3 years ago
the Macedonian Sclaveni resisted both the Bulgars and the Byzantines in their attempts to enclose them into large administrative units, themes, similar to those of Thessaloniki and Strymon in the 9th century.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Having in mind that the mass Christianization of the Macedonian Slavs was carried out in the mid-9th century, when no symbiosis of any kind existed between Bulgarians and Macedonian Slavs, it must be stressed that there are no arguments whatsoever to connect the medieval Bulgarians with the Christianization of the Slavs in Macedonia and with the appearance of literacy on Macedonian territory. The reason for this is simple:
tripleMboy 3 years ago
the Christianization of Prince Boris and his people began in 866, three years after the Moravia mission of the holy brothers.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Consequently, it can not be a question of an Old Bulgarian language in speaking of the appearance of Slav literacy and its subsequent dispersal over the entire territory settled by the Slavs. In support of this statement the following fact should be considered: the language in which literacy was spread was strange even to Prince Boris himself, because a Slavonic tongue was accepted as the state language in Bulgaria as late as 893, at the Preslav council.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
The concepts of "Bulgarian Slavs" and "Slavs of a Bulgarian group", particularly when used to label the Macedonian Slavs, are historically unsustainable because Old Bulgarian was formed and developed in Bulgaria as late as the second half of the 9th century and cannot be connected with the language of Cyril and Methodius.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Irrespective of what efforts were and are made to suggest such a linkage, the Slavonic tongue of the Thessaloniki brothers is older than the Old Bulgarian language of Prince Boris.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
This is the biggest nonsence I ever heard
stogerov 3 years ago
There is no such thing as macedonian sclaveni. There were sclaveni but not in todays Vardar Macedonia. So you have nothing incomen with them
stogerov 3 years ago
This what you said is the greatest nonsense I have ever heard. If you do not understand the history, would be better that you do something else that you understood. Greeks history have different story about Sclavins which is false too.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
have you ever been to Bulgaria? Have you seen bulgarians ever? If you see tell me who is darker you: vardar bulgars or we the danube bulgars. And stop saing about mongolia. everyone knows thats a communist lie, like U language and nation
stogerov 3 years ago
You are spreading unreal bullshit. The old Bulgarian written language is not genuine. It is synthetic language created to be understood by all slavians!!!
Paysiy Hilendarski wrotes that some of the apostols of Cyril and Metodius collect words from Velikomoravia.
stogerov 3 years ago
I am spreading the truth. You still provocate with your lies.
tripleMboy 3 years ago
Please, Macedonian language does not exist before 1945. And also Macedonian state between 5th and 20 cent there is no state called macedonia. Moreover the ancient Macedonians are moving to thrace durring the roman empire.
stogerov 3 years ago
Абе то нали ние сме членки на НАТО.Щом "Борците за свобода" са терористи,то тогава Доган и анти-българската му партия са за разстрел.
KpEMuKoBcu 3 years ago
This video is an expression of the right for own scientific opinion of professor Bojidar Dimitrov, it does not harm anyones ethnic origin. It is not a battle today to proove the truth. The truth has been known for centuries already. Our goal is you to learn it.
stogerov 3 years ago
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The FYROMians are stealing the heritage of other peoples to justify their fictitious nationality.Those braiwashed idiots are falsifying history and are making fools of themselves.The People of FYROM are 70% Bulgarians and 30% Albanians just as Prof.Bozhidar Dimitrov says.
banshazam 3 years ago
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Bravo!
Brodski24 3 years ago
Македония е, чисто и просто, БЪЛГАРСКА!
qandqq 3 years ago