Just so every one here knows, Bill bruford played a short time with Genisis during 1976 -1977 .He could not ever get the song Squonk he just could'nt come to grips with the time and it's feel. Bill is still one of the greatest drummers ever.
Ive see buddy and also phil play and phil is good but buddy was a big band drummer 1st and phil is a drummer who writes songs in the modern drumming styles i would like to see a drummer use the techniques buddy used perhaps there is one ??
I toured/tour with both Buddy Rich and Phil Collins. They both are/were incredible drummers with amazing feel and technique! What's even more amazing is that Buddy and Phil could NOT read music.
I toured/tour with both Buddy Rich and Phil Collins. They both are/were incredible drummers with amazing feel and technique! What's even more amazing is that Buddy and Phil could NOT read music.
There are some very disingenuous comments on this thread about Phil Collins & rock drummers in general. Did anyone seriously expect any drummer who is not a pro full time big band drummer to be comparable with Buddy Rich? The fact that many drummers from other genres could play with the band & be even competent says a great deal for their versatility, musical ability & balls.
I wonder how Buddy would have sounded playing fusion or Prog rock? (He would have refused point blank, he hated it!)
Don't know what you all are talking about, Collins is one of the all-time drummers and his swing feel is great. Anyone says it isn't doesn't know what to listen for.
@34jazzman Yes, I must admit. Although I have most respect for Neil Peart and like Rush's music, I think he lost the little swing he had in the beginning along the way. He's still a great drummer, but it's just not his style of music.
@pooperscoopr69 You obviously know nothing about drumming and/or music. Although Buddy Rich is probably a "better" drummer (and that's discussable), The performance was great. I play drums and I love music.
When I was a kid living in California I saw Buddy perform live many times at Disneyland. He was the greatest inspiration. We still love you Buddy. Check out my tributes to him on here (a few short drum solos of mine). To all the rock drummers out there, don’t lose touch with the past. There are many things to learn from the rich heritage all those jazz drummers left us “back in the day”. Richard Gray
Okay, a lot of different opinions on Phil in a jazz setting, so here's mine (and yes, I am a musician). When I listened to his big band stuff at first, I was really impressed with how well he did in this style. True, if you listen close and you've listened to a lot of jazz, you can hear that this isn't totally his area of expertise, but he still does better than probably 99% of the other rock drummers could do in this setting (including Ginger Baker, who I've also heard play jazz).
totally speeds up in the end to throw things off, it wasnt the band, they have played with the best of the best, in the world, and of all time. they ask big name Rock players to play to get the people in the door and then expect those rock drummers to play Jazz. I give it up to Phil for stepping out of his element and doing a good job.
@ Peatman - Actually, I have, but if I"m gonna listen to fusion of that era, I'd rather listen to a better, technically superior and more interesting group such as Chick Corea's Return To Forever rather than Brand X. Admittedly, RTF is much more into jazz than BX, but a lot of their songs have a similar feel.
In any case, regarding this video, just because Collins can play in a swing band doesn't mean that he knows how to swing, imho.
I'm with you man,his work with Genesis is legendary with this transformation I see somone in a mid life crisis. The big band was cool at first,but he just doesnt have it, just like a good percentage of drummers can not pull this style off,and its not..
"well its good cause he's trying hard" like there is some handicap involved cause he's PC.Like you eluded to I'm watchin Jazz drummers who are from another planet & defy logic,kinda like MJ playing for the SOX what ?
@tjfreak - Good analogy. Just as Jordan should be remembered for a great basketball career instead of believing that he could actually play with the White Sox, Collins should be recognized for his work with Genesis instead of his unfortunate delusion of being a jazzz drummer.
As Dirty Harry said, "A man's got to know his limitations."
Being a musician, I don't usually comment on other musicians, but some of these people here are really f 'ing clueless.
How did Neil Peart come up? AHHHH! This is why sooo many people can't stand him these days. Not that it's all his fault. He's decent. Just because you've centered your drumming around 1 dude is NOT everyone elses fault. He's got some good qualities and so does even Travis Barker -who I'm feeling is the Yang to this whole equation here. Neither are the best. It is not about that to begin with.
Oh, man... Those idiots simply can't stop comparing artists, shut up, and apreciate great musicians...
You know what?? Bunch of fools, keep thinking like that and none of you will NEVER EVER come even close to the drummers you all quoted. Grow up, boys, for the sake of drumming...
So true, but it´s the same in classical or rock music, with singers, keyboard players or violin players - with everything and everyone. Sometimes they write Mr. X owns Mr. Y - or destroys him.....
There's nobody more passionate about Buddy than Phil. About 12 yrs ago I sent Phil a cassette with Buddy on it that he didn't have. Phil said thank you this way: he sent me a signed drumhead and a signed pair of sticks. What a guy !!
Despite the detractors, Phil pulls it off nicely. He hits all the obligatory kicks and accents, the fills are tasty, and the whole thing works, unlike the ultra-stiff Peart session with Rich's band. Even Neal wishes he could cut that one over again.
That was awesome! I actually quite like that little solo at around 1:02. At first it sounds a bit meh, I dunno, and then the smooth groove comes in and it just seems to work so well! That's the great thing about alot of jazz, it may sound like someone is about to lost it or fall behind, and then all of a sudden it fits perfectly!
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Oh dear, ive come in the air tonite! Phil is an ok drummer at best but he clearly struggles to keep up compared to Dennis Chambers outing with Buddys big band! Dennis chambers on the other hand makes jazz drumming look like drumming 101!
you guys cant compare the GODS...everybody of them has its own strengths, and which style of drumming you like is different, i like all the drummers you said :D
I've always liked Phil Collins. He was decent for "attempting" to emulate Buddy Rich. That being said, Gadd and Weckl CARRIES Buddy Rich's drumsticks. I also need to point out that Peart was influenced by Buddy Rich, not Phil Collins. Check out the albums, Burning for Buddy - A tribute to the Music of Buddy Rich Volumes 1 and 2 (two separate CDs). That was organized by Peart. There are number of drummers in the album.
Rush, as a group, surely was influecned by King Crimson and Brand X and Genesis, but Peart, as a drummer, clearly was influnced by Collins (By virtue of the fact that Brand X plaed a lot of odd-time things whereas Buddy Rich's band RARELY ever played oddtime tunes).
Neil Peart never mentioned an influence by phil collins, and considering that he is far superior to phil in every conceivable way, and that his influences are probably much wider and deeper than phils I doubt he was heavily influenced by phil if phil is even on the radar at all. If he was influenced by phil, the student has far surpassed the teacher.
A quote from Neil Peart: "Soon there were other adventurous and accomplished rock drummers, like John Bonham, Michael Giles (the first drummer with King Crimson and a very important influence on me), Bill Bruford with Yes, his replacement Alan White, Phil Collins with Genesis, and certainly Billy Cobham and Steve Gadd, who must have influenced every drummer in those days."
what are you basing that on? the Rio solo? Peart's work sounds busier at times, but i think Phil's Genesis' stuff is really complex without appearing to be, in any case, check his stuff before stating that
I have. I've seen a ton of Phil's stuff, from Genesis to today. Odd how you assume that I haven't heard anything, based only on the fact that I don't agree with you.
To me, Phil is sub-par, uninteresting, dull, bland, and without heart anymore. His stuff from old Genesis days was a lot better than anything he does now.
And when it comes to Neil I'll take what he did in the R30 concert over the Rio. But hell I'd take the "All the World's a Stage" drum solo over anything Phil has done.
i said i considered Phil in his heyday as a drummer better than Neil Peart in his heyday.
basing your opinion on a drum solo is kinda stupid, cause Phil rarely did one in his days, but some of his jazzy solos show amazing complexity, something Neil lacks, the thing is that Neil is an excellent drummer, but his style is too hard rockish, therefore you can always spot he's gonna do the classic tom rolls over more complex snare drum work.
i enjoy a lot Peart's vibraphone skills and everything, that's definitely something that sets him apart (but i know lots of jazz and prog rock drummers/percusionist that can outdo his performances on varied percussion kits).
in any case, if both Neil and Phil squared off on just the standard drum kit, i think Phil would win since he had a more varied and unpredictable style on his best days
Wow, you really must not know a lot about Neil to say that. Neil does more than every drummer.
Just look at his kits. Neil has studied drumming from tons of areas from around the world. Asia, Africa, South America, Europe. I have never seen any performance that comes close to a NP performance and I've seen thousands.
yeah but neil peart has been doing the exact same drum solo for like 30 years every so often he changes it around but it is the exact same solo.i don't think he ever improvised
Actually that's the point. Although in the last tour it did in fact change a bit more than usual.
But the point of the drum solo is basically to see the progression. If you listen to the drum solo from all the world's a stage and the one from the R30 cd you can see the difference. It is a work in progress. It's intentional.
I would say that Collins' big band playing hearkened back to his college big band training more than anything, and his fills (no pun) were way more influenced by his contemporary Steve Gadd - listen to that last ending setup and fill, totally completely ripping off Gadd licks.
well he deserves to be on his own stage. you know. As he happens to be a prolific modern songwriter which IMO ranks higher than any technician in terms of significance.
You are serious, right? All you probably know of Phil is his pop music days in the 80's. Check out his work with Genesis on The Cage, Dance on a Volcano, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, etc, etc. NOW, Check him out with Brand X, get some ketchup, and eat your words! He is one of the finest jazz and rock drummers to breathe. Weckl is THEE drum God, of course,but Phil is right there with Gadd, Chambers,and puts Peart to shame! Do your homework. You'll see! He's lost it some,but he was sick!
Phil,s work with Brand X is as good as anything I have heard Gadd pull off with Steely dan, Al Jarrou, Paul Simon, or any solo I have seen him do. Check out the song Nuclear Burn from the Unorthodox behavior CD. Listen to the whole song. Nothing short of quality thru and thru!
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hmm, I'm not that impressed. Of course he can play some drums. And I got to say, I did not know he mastered some jazz skills as well. But to play with the buddy rich bigband???? come on... Dennis chambers, Omar Hakim, Simon phillips are just as spectaculair as mister Rich. They deserve to play with them. But Phil, even in this film does not do anything (I, or) any other serious drummer couldent do.
I disagree, I think this is one of the best performances there. Just because it doesn't have a 5 minute drum solo in it doesn't mean it's bad. His playing is extremely tasteful.
i liked that vid more than the one with dennis chambers and the b.r.big band!!! i think phil did a great job, cause it's not his intention to play as fast and complicated as possible. He's just making music and that's what count's in the end!!!!
Good to see Collins being a musician again; his reputation was as a good drummer rather than a pop star back in the day. Besides early Genesis, his work with fusion group Brand X was punchy and crisp. Also, fine sax work here by the late Steve Marcus.
you shouldnt slag off someone for playing different styles of music embrace him for being himself and doing what he said he wanted to do since he started drumming ok he may not have got the chance if he wasnt famous but hey he is still a great drummer
ok, i might catch hell from some of the Phil fans out there. and i love Phil's music and drumming with Genesis and as a solo artist. but someone needs to teach him how to "kick" a big band. he's not setting the band up at all in this chart. there is so much empty space just passing him by. oh well, i guess it's easy for me to say when i'm sitting here at my computer being a critic.
It's true, Phil doesn't fire the band here. But his many hats include producing, leading, writing, and being a celebrity ... and though obviously enormously gifted, if he weren't a celebrity who can play a big band chart, he wouldn't be there.
All these "modern" drummers trying to do the big band thing such as Phil, Neil, and Steve (Gadd) are really only revealing how amazing Buddy Rich was. The difference is gigantic.
some individuals, like Buddy Rich, have such a big effect on music that they leave a whole cannon of work behind, so if someone is skilled enough to emulate their style it means the spirit of the music lives on, which cant be a bad thing. I'd kill to be able to play anything like Buddy! Top marks to Gadd etc for putting their necks out and for being rounded musicians I say
as if phil collins can play swing/jazz!!! makes me laugh so much when i hear him trying to play!! what the hell does he call it!! ok he is a good drummer but not for jazz!! its a pretty basic performace and i think he is not is the same league as greats such as steve gadd and dennis chambers who have also played with the brbb!! cant blame the guy for tryin tho!! :)
Well...I bet you are sooo great! Try saying that when you are a household name and have played in many great influential bands. He does actually play in Jazz groups, I think he has his own big band. He is being himself. Few arere not havle as talented as Buddy was!
Many years ago, like, maybe as far back as 1979(?), I saw Brand X at I think the Starwood or the Roxy on Sunset Blvd in Hollywood. I sat about 10 feet from Phil. He was stunning. I remember him doing a fill across the toms, 16th note triplets, that every drummer on Earth would have done with 2 hands (LRLRLRLRLR, etc). Phil did it one-handed while continuing to ride on the cymbal. It was (among many things that night) amazing.
Drumming left handed is by far the HARDEST thing you possibly can do. also, good left handed drummers are extremly rare. Its a great gift to have a good left handed drummer.
Ian Pace is a lefty drummer. The brain doesn't care if it's a left or right handed world it just plays the direction it's ben thinking since birth. My family has 3 out of 4 children that are left handed and we all play musical insturments and my parents were righties With that said, try to explain this one. I'm left handed but play right handed. That's the way my drum teacher showed me and I never thought to try it differently.Oh in case your're wondering I through with my right
You've obviously completely misunderstood my comment. I am a huge fan of Phil Collins and "bad ass" means "really good" in some cultures. It's okay though, I forgive you. :D
Pretty Painful
johnnyonthedrums 4 months ago
Ya, the lefty thing kinda bothers me too
CacheSeaker 5 months ago
Just so every one here knows, Bill bruford played a short time with Genisis during 1976 -1977 .He could not ever get the song Squonk he just could'nt come to grips with the time and it's feel. Bill is still one of the greatest drummers ever.
legovinny 5 months ago
Cool footage. The lefty drummer comment was funny, too.
lookingforfun70 5 months ago
lefty drummers really piss me off for some reason. idk why
zildjian1884 6 months ago
@zildjian1884
Because you cannot jerk off with that side, thats why...
Secondlifecreator 5 months ago
Great
AndreaPortovenere 6 months ago
Ive see buddy and also phil play and phil is good but buddy was a big band drummer 1st and phil is a drummer who writes songs in the modern drumming styles i would like to see a drummer use the techniques buddy used perhaps there is one ??
dgaud2007 6 months ago
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I toured/tour with both Buddy Rich and Phil Collins. They both are/were incredible drummers with amazing feel and technique! What's even more amazing is that Buddy and Phil could NOT read music.
ScottBliege60 8 months ago
I toured/tour with both Buddy Rich and Phil Collins. They both are/were incredible drummers with amazing feel and technique! What's even more amazing is that Buddy and Phil could NOT read music.
ScottBliege60 8 months ago 2
PHIL COLLINS PLAYS JAZZ!?!?!?!?!?! :O respect. MAD respect
WhyIAm7 9 months ago 2
There are some very disingenuous comments on this thread about Phil Collins & rock drummers in general. Did anyone seriously expect any drummer who is not a pro full time big band drummer to be comparable with Buddy Rich? The fact that many drummers from other genres could play with the band & be even competent says a great deal for their versatility, musical ability & balls.
I wonder how Buddy would have sounded playing fusion or Prog rock? (He would have refused point blank, he hated it!)
SAHBfan 11 months ago 2
Don't know what you all are talking about, Collins is one of the all-time drummers and his swing feel is great. Anyone says it isn't doesn't know what to listen for.
5cairn 1 year ago
nice music, but why does hitler play guitar in this band?
0:19
blizzardium 1 year ago
swings better than neil peart did.
34jazzman 1 year ago
@34jazzman Yes, I must admit. Although I have most respect for Neil Peart and like Rush's music, I think he lost the little swing he had in the beginning along the way. He's still a great drummer, but it's just not his style of music.
CalisseDuCrisse 11 months ago
i never knew he could swing so well
beatlekid123 1 year ago
Man those horns are tight at the end. Sounds good! Phil should stay away from drum solos, though.
randolph229 1 year ago
Respect!!!
The More Great Artist in The World ;-)
MrBootify 1 year ago
phil collins and buddy rich are both musical geniuses. They both express it in different ways.
oldschoolthrasher666 1 year ago
Phil's out of his league here. His "Big Band" Jazz drumming is flatulent, uninspired and genuinely unmusical.
pooperscoopr69 1 year ago
@pooperscoopr69 You obviously know nothing about drumming and/or music. Although Buddy Rich is probably a "better" drummer (and that's discussable), The performance was great. I play drums and I love music.
CalisseDuCrisse 11 months ago
better than buddy
eeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
jk
EvilTikiO9 1 year ago
phil collins couldn't swing from the end of a rope.
AndrewMills1 1 year ago
When I was a kid living in California I saw Buddy perform live many times at Disneyland. He was the greatest inspiration. We still love you Buddy. Check out my tributes to him on here (a few short drum solos of mine). To all the rock drummers out there, don’t lose touch with the past. There are many things to learn from the rich heritage all those jazz drummers left us “back in the day”. Richard Gray
Drumminman4U 1 year ago
@Drumminman4U - thanks for your videos. Buddy was indeed a legend and always will be! God bless.
funkfanNo1 1 year ago
Better than Neil Peart!
frimple1 1 year ago 2
Phil Collins does have experience as a jazz drummer. Check out his work in the band "Brand X." back in the mid 70s through the early 80s.
MoodyLoners 1 year ago
Okay, a lot of different opinions on Phil in a jazz setting, so here's mine (and yes, I am a musician). When I listened to his big band stuff at first, I was really impressed with how well he did in this style. True, if you listen close and you've listened to a lot of jazz, you can hear that this isn't totally his area of expertise, but he still does better than probably 99% of the other rock drummers could do in this setting (including Ginger Baker, who I've also heard play jazz).
lexbermuda 1 year ago
at any rate i don't think phil will threaten to throw anyone off the bus! lol
MikeMiheli 1 year ago 2
phil is really damn good.
vettefever67 1 year ago
totally speeds up in the end to throw things off, it wasnt the band, they have played with the best of the best, in the world, and of all time. they ask big name Rock players to play to get the people in the door and then expect those rock drummers to play Jazz. I give it up to Phil for stepping out of his element and doing a good job.
gotmonkeyfinger 1 year ago
Nice!
DanTheMandrummer 1 year ago
can anyone give me an exact year on this video? thanks
Do21or12Die 1 year ago
@Do21or12Die 1999
MYNAMETAYLA 1 year ago
Phil swings plenty on this tune. You can tell he knows the chartand. His solo is tasteful and his ending is good. Enough with the comparisons!!
njdrumguy1 2 years ago
I have to say I never imagined phil collins swinging... But, Nicely done
pullom19 2 years ago 2
@ pullom - I have to say, I still can't imagine Phil Collins swinging.
He should just do his rock thing and wake up from his unfortunate delusional dream.
logansGT 2 years ago
@logansGT
Have you ever heard Brand X?
Peatman 2 years ago
@ Peatman - Actually, I have, but if I"m gonna listen to fusion of that era, I'd rather listen to a better, technically superior and more interesting group such as Chick Corea's Return To Forever rather than Brand X. Admittedly, RTF is much more into jazz than BX, but a lot of their songs have a similar feel.
In any case, regarding this video, just because Collins can play in a swing band doesn't mean that he knows how to swing, imho.
logansGT 2 years ago
I'm with you man,his work with Genesis is legendary with this transformation I see somone in a mid life crisis. The big band was cool at first,but he just doesnt have it, just like a good percentage of drummers can not pull this style off,and its not..
"well its good cause he's trying hard" like there is some handicap involved cause he's PC.Like you eluded to I'm watchin Jazz drummers who are from another planet & defy logic,kinda like MJ playing for the SOX what ?
tjfreak 1 year ago
@tjfreak - Good analogy. Just as Jordan should be remembered for a great basketball career instead of believing that he could actually play with the White Sox, Collins should be recognized for his work with Genesis instead of his unfortunate delusion of being a jazzz drummer.
As Dirty Harry said, "A man's got to know his limitations."
Being a musician, I don't usually comment on other musicians, but some of these people here are really f 'ing clueless.
logansGT 1 year ago
How did Neil Peart come up? AHHHH! This is why sooo many people can't stand him these days. Not that it's all his fault. He's decent. Just because you've centered your drumming around 1 dude is NOT everyone elses fault. He's got some good qualities and so does even Travis Barker -who I'm feeling is the Yang to this whole equation here. Neither are the best. It is not about that to begin with.
Just enjoy the individuals flavor....so to speak
mrbateman00 2 years ago 3
it's a shame he cannot drum anymore
abhay108 2 years ago 3
Oh, man... Those idiots simply can't stop comparing artists, shut up, and apreciate great musicians...
You know what?? Bunch of fools, keep thinking like that and none of you will NEVER EVER come even close to the drummers you all quoted. Grow up, boys, for the sake of drumming...
Sorry bout the bad english...
ParadiddleMaster 2 years ago 3
So true, but it´s the same in classical or rock music, with singers, keyboard players or violin players - with everything and everyone. Sometimes they write Mr. X owns Mr. Y - or destroys him.....
Rediculous.
anonymusum 2 years ago 2
Agreed - it gets annoying
gravytrain84 2 years ago 2
There's nobody more passionate about Buddy than Phil. About 12 yrs ago I sent Phil a cassette with Buddy on it that he didn't have. Phil said thank you this way: he sent me a signed drumhead and a signed pair of sticks. What a guy !!
gaspo218 2 years ago
I wish you idiots would stop arguing over the internet and just appreciate the video!
roozor 2 years ago 3
How could someone ever question the skills of the performance
It is extreemly well played drums Phill !!!
Love both you, your playing and your fabulous voice!
ArttalentsCom 2 years ago
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I hate Phil Collins.
Antiks72 2 years ago
Nice playing Phil.........
bcwdrums 2 years ago
My Gadd!
Phil totally cold ripped it up! Bravo for this performance!
5/5
DeeSwizzle 2 years ago
Despite the detractors, Phil pulls it off nicely. He hits all the obligatory kicks and accents, the fills are tasty, and the whole thing works, unlike the ultra-stiff Peart session with Rich's band. Even Neal wishes he could cut that one over again.
roccovaselino 2 years ago 3
Peart is really stiff for jazz, he should try to perfect his snare/kick work instead of doing his rolls so often
rodcrippler 2 years ago
I don't know if its the tempo or what, but this doesn't swing ONE BIT.
elimenohpee182 2 years ago
Hey come on man--for a man who used to be a pop-musician for the last35 years this is really good!!!
Blackes57 2 years ago
What? Check out Brand-X.
firstmusic00 2 years ago 2
yeah, I don't like the way he plays the ride
jakedihose 2 years ago
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His baldness doesnt let him play right, he is too fucking concentrated in not fucking it up. he is not enjoying it.
dexfafara 2 years ago
That was awesome! I actually quite like that little solo at around 1:02. At first it sounds a bit meh, I dunno, and then the smooth groove comes in and it just seems to work so well! That's the great thing about alot of jazz, it may sound like someone is about to lost it or fall behind, and then all of a sudden it fits perfectly!
TheJeddyB 2 years ago
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Oh dear, ive come in the air tonite! Phil is an ok drummer at best but he clearly struggles to keep up compared to Dennis Chambers outing with Buddys big band! Dennis chambers on the other hand makes jazz drumming look like drumming 101!
cmomofilm 2 years ago
I can feel it coming in the air tonight.
KoryWB 3 years ago 2
Phil has always been able to hold it down on kit
pdstix78 3 years ago
you guys cant compare the GODS...everybody of them has its own strengths, and which style of drumming you like is different, i like all the drummers you said :D
Soulsplatter 3 years ago
the song is from miles davis....MILESTONES
alexlxcech 3 years ago
I've always liked Phil Collins. He was decent for "attempting" to emulate Buddy Rich. That being said, Gadd and Weckl CARRIES Buddy Rich's drumsticks. I also need to point out that Peart was influenced by Buddy Rich, not Phil Collins. Check out the albums, Burning for Buddy - A tribute to the Music of Buddy Rich Volumes 1 and 2 (two separate CDs). That was organized by Peart. There are number of drummers in the album.
maalth 3 years ago
Every drummer was influenced by Rich! However it's obvious Rush were heavily influenced by Genesis, so the "not Phil Collins" comment is silly.
Problem with Collins is he choose to sing and become a frontman instead of sticking to drumming. There's always a price to pay.
Ranock123 3 years ago
Rush, as a group, surely was influecned by King Crimson and Brand X and Genesis, but Peart, as a drummer, clearly was influnced by Collins (By virtue of the fact that Brand X plaed a lot of odd-time things whereas Buddy Rich's band RARELY ever played oddtime tunes).
jazzernauts 2 years ago
Neil Peart never mentioned an influence by phil collins, and considering that he is far superior to phil in every conceivable way, and that his influences are probably much wider and deeper than phils I doubt he was heavily influenced by phil if phil is even on the radar at all. If he was influenced by phil, the student has far surpassed the teacher.
Bongwyre2112 2 years ago
A quote from Neil Peart: "Soon there were other adventurous and accomplished rock drummers, like John Bonham, Michael Giles (the first drummer with King Crimson and a very important influence on me), Bill Bruford with Yes, his replacement Alan White, Phil Collins with Genesis, and certainly Billy Cobham and Steve Gadd, who must have influenced every drummer in those days."
cell151 2 years ago
So? Neil is a humble guy. When you are the best there is best there every was and the best there ever will be, you are going to be humble.
Bongwyre2112 2 years ago
what are you basing that on? the Rio solo? Peart's work sounds busier at times, but i think Phil's Genesis' stuff is really complex without appearing to be, in any case, check his stuff before stating that
rodcrippler 2 years ago
I have. I've seen a ton of Phil's stuff, from Genesis to today. Odd how you assume that I haven't heard anything, based only on the fact that I don't agree with you.
To me, Phil is sub-par, uninteresting, dull, bland, and without heart anymore. His stuff from old Genesis days was a lot better than anything he does now.
And when it comes to Neil I'll take what he did in the R30 concert over the Rio. But hell I'd take the "All the World's a Stage" drum solo over anything Phil has done.
Bongwyre2112 2 years ago
i said i considered Phil in his heyday as a drummer better than Neil Peart in his heyday.
basing your opinion on a drum solo is kinda stupid, cause Phil rarely did one in his days, but some of his jazzy solos show amazing complexity, something Neil lacks, the thing is that Neil is an excellent drummer, but his style is too hard rockish, therefore you can always spot he's gonna do the classic tom rolls over more complex snare drum work.
rodcrippler 2 years ago
i enjoy a lot Peart's vibraphone skills and everything, that's definitely something that sets him apart (but i know lots of jazz and prog rock drummers/percusionist that can outdo his performances on varied percussion kits).
in any case, if both Neil and Phil squared off on just the standard drum kit, i think Phil would win since he had a more varied and unpredictable style on his best days
rodcrippler 2 years ago
Wow, you really must not know a lot about Neil to say that. Neil does more than every drummer.
Just look at his kits. Neil has studied drumming from tons of areas from around the world. Asia, Africa, South America, Europe. I have never seen any performance that comes close to a NP performance and I've seen thousands.
Bongwyre2112 2 years ago
yeah but neil peart has been doing the exact same drum solo for like 30 years every so often he changes it around but it is the exact same solo.i don't think he ever improvised
wonkavella 2 years ago 2
Actually that's the point. Although in the last tour it did in fact change a bit more than usual.
But the point of the drum solo is basically to see the progression. If you listen to the drum solo from all the world's a stage and the one from the R30 cd you can see the difference. It is a work in progress. It's intentional.
Bongwyre2112 2 years ago
yea he said its to risky. thats maybe his only weakness i agree with u he plans out his drum solos they shud be spontaneous
Kobeownzu81 2 years ago
Your right about the style Phil played, it was Buddy-esque!
cmomofilm 2 years ago
I would say that Collins' big band playing hearkened back to his college big band training more than anything, and his fills (no pun) were way more influenced by his contemporary Steve Gadd - listen to that last ending setup and fill, totally completely ripping off Gadd licks.
jazzernauts 2 years ago
i have a whole new respect for Phil Collins
nin456 3 years ago 35
ohh man there was a nasty out of beat hit there, but i didnt know phil can do that
RasecMusic 3 years ago
Given this is not really his style of drumming, Phil held up really well.
mechmove 3 years ago
Collins is very versatile. He's a great drummer who puts his whole self into his playing.
gordon777777 3 years ago
Collins doesnt deserve to be on the same stage as Chambers, Weckl, Gadd and the other greats that played that concert.
DJBufster 3 years ago
well he deserves to be on his own stage. you know. As he happens to be a prolific modern songwriter which IMO ranks higher than any technician in terms of significance.
regorgnow 3 years ago
He's not the worst dont get me wrong - its just that the other people that played that concert are far superior musicians with a drumkit than he is.
But I have nothing against him as a songwriter/musician in his own right as you say.
DJBufster 3 years ago
Collins was a great drummer in the 70s, listen to the track Suppers Ready or Nursery Crimes. Rush/Peart were heavily influenced by Genesis.
Collins was even offered the role as the drummer of Yes taking over from Bill Bruford, you'd have to be a seriously good drummer to replace him.
However he's no youngster and I don't think he's anywhere as good as he was.
However to write him off as not worthy of being on the stage is just pathetic as in his day he was one of England's best drummers.
Ranock123 3 years ago 7
You are serious, right? All you probably know of Phil is his pop music days in the 80's. Check out his work with Genesis on The Cage, Dance on a Volcano, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, etc, etc. NOW, Check him out with Brand X, get some ketchup, and eat your words! He is one of the finest jazz and rock drummers to breathe. Weckl is THEE drum God, of course,but Phil is right there with Gadd, Chambers,and puts Peart to shame! Do your homework. You'll see! He's lost it some,but he was sick!
441trinity 3 years ago
nonsense - Gadd has more music in his left hand than Phil Collins ever had and will have - and I like Collins!
DJBufster 3 years ago
Phil,s work with Brand X is as good as anything I have heard Gadd pull off with Steely dan, Al Jarrou, Paul Simon, or any solo I have seen him do. Check out the song Nuclear Burn from the Unorthodox behavior CD. Listen to the whole song. Nothing short of quality thru and thru!
4skorand7 3 years ago
If you haven't heard Phil with Brand X, you're talking out you poop shoot! If you have, you still are!
4skorand7 3 years ago
Phil Collins is great! He might not be as fast and technical as Chambers or Hakim etc, but he has THE FEEL, which they lack!
And Phil was very happy to be able to pay tribute to one of His heroes...Buddy!
Yogiphildas 3 years ago 5
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The Buddy Rich band must be out of money.
JoBoSo 3 years ago
I am shocked who'd have thought. Good on yer Phil!!!!
funkysax2002 3 years ago
Wow, Phil proves why he can be called a Musician.
BimNoOne 3 years ago
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hmm, I'm not that impressed. Of course he can play some drums. And I got to say, I did not know he mastered some jazz skills as well. But to play with the buddy rich bigband???? come on... Dennis chambers, Omar Hakim, Simon phillips are just as spectaculair as mister Rich. They deserve to play with them. But Phil, even in this film does not do anything (I, or) any other serious drummer couldent do.
jazzowacko 3 years ago
I disagree, I think this is one of the best performances there. Just because it doesn't have a 5 minute drum solo in it doesn't mean it's bad. His playing is extremely tasteful.
ThyMercifulBovine 3 years ago 3
i liked that vid more than the one with dennis chambers and the b.r.big band!!! i think phil did a great job, cause it's not his intention to play as fast and complicated as possible. He's just making music and that's what count's in the end!!!!
BOBYYIIYY 3 years ago
Good to see Collins being a musician again; his reputation was as a good drummer rather than a pop star back in the day. Besides early Genesis, his work with fusion group Brand X was punchy and crisp. Also, fine sax work here by the late Steve Marcus.
TheoBurke 3 years ago
I love the fill at 1:03. Its very mature
phatphace 3 years ago
Ha! Milestones. cool ending;)
Aristocat2 3 years ago
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i think Phill is a great drummer. But is not his style, he's not in his element. 1:37 he's a bit too early. Anyway cool vid
chavvyreal 3 years ago
note: drummer wasn't early...BAND WAS LATE!
MikeMiheli 3 years ago 19
Drummer was late! Listen....... Phil is no...... big band drummer!
CzapigaKielbasa 3 years ago
it's the Buddy Rich Big Band, the band is listening to the kit for the hit. He's leading, he can't be late if he's leading.
mcfox90 3 years ago
@MikeMiheli band got mislead by the figure played by Phil, who's internal clock is obviously atomic...
fardrum 1 year ago
You must to ear more jazz, man. This is Phil's intention. So many jazz records the drummers do that.
Do you know Tony Williams?
likeadrumstick 3 years ago
the dude on the horn whith the wite fro pwns and the drumer pwns buddy riggs for sure ashole
travisBrulzz 3 years ago
you shouldnt slag off someone for playing different styles of music embrace him for being himself and doing what he said he wanted to do since he started drumming ok he may not have got the chance if he wasnt famous but hey he is still a great drummer
genesis90125 3 years ago
Awesome. I have heard Phil Collins since he was from Genesis. At now his perfomance on jazz is fantastic
emercito 3 years ago
did Phil play kit on that Genesis tune "Misunderstanding"? great tune and great drum track.
jason13drummer 3 years ago
ok, i might catch hell from some of the Phil fans out there. and i love Phil's music and drumming with Genesis and as a solo artist. but someone needs to teach him how to "kick" a big band. he's not setting the band up at all in this chart. there is so much empty space just passing him by. oh well, i guess it's easy for me to say when i'm sitting here at my computer being a critic.
jason13drummer 3 years ago 2
It's true, Phil doesn't fire the band here. But his many hats include producing, leading, writing, and being a celebrity ... and though obviously enormously gifted, if he weren't a celebrity who can play a big band chart, he wouldn't be there.
jeremyjgray 3 years ago 2
well said man. i agree.
jason13drummer 3 years ago
All these "modern" drummers trying to do the big band thing such as Phil, Neil, and Steve (Gadd) are really only revealing how amazing Buddy Rich was. The difference is gigantic.
janderson2000 3 years ago 2
When will people stop TRYING to be and just BE?
totalbandgeek1313 3 years ago 2
some individuals, like Buddy Rich, have such a big effect on music that they leave a whole cannon of work behind, so if someone is skilled enough to emulate their style it means the spirit of the music lives on, which cant be a bad thing. I'd kill to be able to play anything like Buddy! Top marks to Gadd etc for putting their necks out and for being rounded musicians I say
EtcEtcAndEtc 3 years ago 2
Holy crap, Will Lee on bass!!
JonasBridgous 3 years ago
Phil is one of the most underrated drummers in music....
TamaSlamma 3 years ago
Phil's highly rated, actually, and consistently ends up high on the lists of drumming magazines.
janderson2000 3 years ago
as if phil collins can play swing/jazz!!! makes me laugh so much when i hear him trying to play!! what the hell does he call it!! ok he is a good drummer but not for jazz!! its a pretty basic performace and i think he is not is the same league as greats such as steve gadd and dennis chambers who have also played with the brbb!! cant blame the guy for tryin tho!! :)
benannable 3 years ago
Phil can play anything.
kirkwanglers32 3 years ago
So could Woody Allen, but that doesn't mean it will be good.
Saxyman14 3 years ago
Nice one, Phil. You have been wasting your time in rock bands.
DelMkVI 3 years ago
I trust that was sarcastic.
janderson2000 3 years ago
Well...I bet you are sooo great! Try saying that when you are a household name and have played in many great influential bands. He does actually play in Jazz groups, I think he has his own big band. He is being himself. Few arere not havle as talented as Buddy was!
thegreatbasher 3 years ago
wow, didn't realize that was phil...damm...I'm impressed... that was a real boss piece man... seriously.. liked it a lot... swing man... swing :)
sidthinker 3 years ago
i love this! phil collins ! big band era!
godwhyisthistaken 3 years ago
How many drum kits does he have?
Olympic94 3 years ago
Have'nt seen that guy on tenor for a long time!
Man he is such a mogster on tenor!
You are one of very favorite tenor guy!
What is his name?
He has to have a website?
Phil,well what can we say,,great drummer!
Mario,from Canada
Saxobari 4 years ago
I know, he's a beast on sax. I don't know what his name is.
chocojoelikesrush 3 years ago
steve marcus
musicislifeoya 3 years ago
ah, you gotta love steve marcus, amazing
he kind of looks like bilbo baggins here hahaha
love
nateo5 4 years ago
Phil Collins big band is really great.
Does anyone know if there is more footage of this. Couldn`t find more than the vids here:(
jordiguitarist 4 years ago
wow
symiankrone 4 years ago
Yes, he is a great jazz drummer as well. Check he's performance in Brand X.
gene151 4 years ago 2
Many years ago, like, maybe as far back as 1979(?), I saw Brand X at I think the Starwood or the Roxy on Sunset Blvd in Hollywood. I sat about 10 feet from Phil. He was stunning. I remember him doing a fill across the toms, 16th note triplets, that every drummer on Earth would have done with 2 hands (LRLRLRLRLR, etc). Phil did it one-handed while continuing to ride on the cymbal. It was (among many things that night) amazing.
He is an outstanding drummer, period.
iamareplicant 3 years ago 3
Phil is awesome as always.
panamajack5150 4 years ago
i didnt know he was nice on the drums....you learn something new everyday.....
drumbum68 4 years ago
Great drumming!
TherealShabbadang 4 years ago
Thats rick Stepton on lead bone
rick treager on 2ed bone
it looks like Bob Bawlby (not sure on spelling) 2ed alto
mj1256 4 years ago
I wanna see arnol658u746 and debbigwifeje duel to the death for ultimate spam supremacy.
Reaper2k 4 years ago
I never really respected Phil Collins as an accomplished drummer until now. Thanks.
BillConover 4 years ago
I personally think Phil Collins is an excellent drummer, and it's good for him to branch out into the jazz side of music.
TheOneAndOnly89x 5 years ago
man hez a left handed drum?
cool...juz like me
akapit 5 years ago
His spelling and grammar are a lot better, though.
Uaatu 4 years ago
zOMFG wich concert is this video from? I want it!!!!!!!11!!!!11!1!!!!eleven!1!!!!
remistofeles 5 years ago
who is the tenor player? ive always wanted to know. message me
macgre510 5 years ago
He is Steve Marcus. He toured with Buddy, Stan Kenton, and Herbie Mann. He died in his sleep at home on last September. He was 66.
alttaal 5 years ago
a great drummer but not close to buddy rich. His creativity fast hands and quick mind make him amazing.
rythmss 5 years ago
HUGE THING TO NOTE: hes a left handed drummer
TenorSaxx 5 years ago
why is that so important? i dont mean to doubt what you're saying. i just wanna know why.
atleo87 5 years ago
Drumming left handed is by far the HARDEST thing you possibly can do. also, good left handed drummers are extremly rare. Its a great gift to have a good left handed drummer.
TenorSaxx 5 years ago
Ian Pace is a lefty drummer. The brain doesn't care if it's a left or right handed world it just plays the direction it's ben thinking since birth. My family has 3 out of 4 children that are left handed and we all play musical insturments and my parents were righties With that said, try to explain this one. I'm left handed but play right handed. That's the way my drum teacher showed me and I never thought to try it differently.Oh in case your're wondering I through with my right
tapsX3 5 years ago
that's like saying it's SOOOO much harder to shoot left in golf... IT'S ONLY HARDER IF UR RIGHT-HANDED. phil collins is obviously left-handed, idiot.
benny600 5 years ago
No more difficult than drumming right handed...its all what you are born with.
DruidTM 4 years ago
Thank you! Love, Lefty
441trinity 3 years ago
Bad ass songwriter, bad ass drummer...
bienorama 5 years ago 2
hes probably better than u so shut teh hell up
BlackQuagmire 5 years ago
You've obviously completely misunderstood my comment. I am a huge fan of Phil Collins and "bad ass" means "really good" in some cultures. It's okay though, I forgive you. :D
bienorama 5 years ago