There is no evidence for the existence of god and it's highly stupid for Christians to keep pushing it because their entire religion does not rest on EVIDENCE but FAITH. Hence its irrationality. I don't believe in your god anymore than I believe in Allah, or Thor or Mother Goose! And it doesn't matter if some vague 2000+ year old book claims x, y and z just because something is popular doesn't prove its existence.
@GaeilgeSpraoi there is outside evidence not the bible but rather jewish, roman, greek historians who have recorded the life, death, and ressurection of jesus.... look it up. you people need to do more studying! and since there are no morals absolutes because there is no achor aka God, why be rid of religion because than religion is nothing more than evolved idea just like everything else and its not Evil because according to common 'Modern ideas' evil is just an opinion.
@GaeilgeSpraoi So you guys are just contradicting what guys like you are out to do, because removing religion is like removing opinions then its just so pointless and a wild excuse to attack religious people. there i evidence for the existence of God, but considering if your an atheist your just gonna weasel out and try to change the topic when i have a strong foot hold.
@StarRonKid Note: The burden of proof rests on the believer and not on the disbeliever. Therefore, if you're trying to make a point that a god exists objectively then please provide me with strong empirical evidence! Also, you're going on about Jesus, I'll say again what about Allah, Bramah, and other gods people believe in are they suddenly wrong because they're of a different religion? You're very vague regarding these Greek, Roman, Jewish historians, care to name a few?
@GaeilgeSpraoi jesus was a person thats the huge difference between allah, braham, and the other Gods, jesus was realistic and recorded by these historians Roman Tacitus,Flavius Josephus, Pliny the Younger, Lucian of Samosata, these guys are outside of the bible, historians of jesus and early christianity.
I read up on the claimed authors who provided secular sources for the historicity of Jesus and all of them never lived during this time but after by at least 32AD. There is speculation in fact on the authenticity of the documents. Christianity has been used for political and social control and due to these motivations, one questions the genuineness of so-called "evidence". "Christ" was a title, not a name, in fact a common name meaning 'The anointed one' and was given to many at that time.
@GaeilgeSpraoi "The burden of proof rests on the believer and not on the disbeliever. " not necesarrily when the disbeliever makes the opposite claim of what the believer claims. So for me i claim i believe in God, while you claim you don't believe in God, there is evidence it just depends how a person interprets the evidence. also thank you for not insulting me and treating me like a idiot :)
@StarRonKid Also "your people"? well unlike Christians and Muslims, atheists, agnostics, sceptics tend to be free thinkers and don't have some collective club where they try to enforce their non-beliefs on others. Therefore I represent only myself. Just to clarify that just in case you think some new atheistic world order is on the rise... another thing, I don't label myself atheist anymore than I label myself a-fairyist or a-ghostist...
@GaeilgeSpraoi its funny how you say you are free thinkers because atheist believe there is no God, and according to what many atheists are which is evolutionists, and from evolution comes your morals and emotions which according to evolution comes to molecules that your body is made up of, so really your "free-thinking" is nothing more than the random chance of your molecules and what they are "feeling" ... so you don't have free will according to evolution. matter acts the way matter acts..
Well neither do you have free-will if you accept Christianity. God is omniscient so he can see the future even his actions before he's performed them and he's also omnipotent so he's all-powerful. So he already knows the course of our lives and our destiny (i.e. heaven or hell) before we've lived it. So essentially our lives are already predetermined so it really questions free will? According to Evolution, yes we are limited to our environment and nature. We can't fly for example like a bird.
@GaeilgeSpraoi so calling yourselves free-thinkers is nothing more than a lie you tell yourselves just comfort yourself and not worry while being a hypocrite to your philosophy. you truly do have logic that you follow and makes sense. don't get me wrong here, i'm not here to make fun of you, im here to prove a point. so you don't represent yourself, your nothing more than a slave to the chemical build-up of your body.
Evolution isn't unique to nonbelief, in fact many religions accept it. There are vast amounts of empirical evidence in favour of it. You're talking about Materialistic Determinism here. I believe on one hand yes we are naturally determined by nature, hereditary, society, etc but we are still free. The existentialist Jean-Paul Sartre said "man is condemned to be free" and that even if one is tied up, they can still think and breath. Our freedom may be constantly limited, but exists nevertheless
Yes we are slaves to our bodies because we cannot exist independently of them. I disagree with you. Thinking is perhaps the only thing that marks our freedom because it's via thought processes that we make choices. You could be tied up but you could still think! We never reach our potential freedom due to determined factors but we are free beings because we can make choices. I'd recommend reading 'Being and Nothingness' by Sartre.
@GaeilgeSpraoi but you don't know that do you, if your thinking is a sign of freedom, how do you know its not your atoms influencing your thoughts and changing and destroying your real opinion? you don't know so no matter what, you are either being locked into the illusion of freedom and so you can never truly tell if your in control or not..... it just seems like you are....
Well we could go on with this train of thought but there are dozens of things we can't prove but we don't believe in them. II could say to you that your freedom and existence is an illusion because there is an evil dæmon who is omnipotent and is controlling your every thought and action, to borrow from Descartes. We could say that that is the case but we don't know and can't prove it isn't so. That's why we rely on evidence and there is none to suggest atomic brain interference or dæmon.
@GaeilgeSpraoi evidence? how would you provide evidence for a miracle? then only way you can do that is by a mutiple eyewitnesses account of it. its clearly evolutionary thought and philosophy that everything comes from our molecules and so anything that happens is just because thats how our atoms felt.... and since evolution is "proven" then why be against religion when it just comes from our atoms? thats not being free, nor respected as humans, we are all truly animals because of this theory
8. So how about we cut out all of the garbage that has been accumulated by millenia worth of competing impostions by other worldly, fantastical, supernatural beings, and we as humans decide what it is that harms us. Not what offends us. no one has the right not to be offended. Harmed. It does not harm a woman to be educated. It does not harm anyone to work on sundays. It does harm people to expect them to follow your irrational beliefs. This is a start... any one want to add anything?
7. Well, the only thing that seems really clear to me is that we can't even agree what evil is. How then can we imagine that it proves God? Evil is a mere concept, and one that can be shelved or altered to fit the prevailing wind. It is simply an expression of what pains us, or what offends us. Is there absolute evil? I doubt the religious mind can agree upon it. That leaves it to the non-religious to agree on a definition.
6. Some people consider it evil not to grow a beard. Some say it is evil to allow women to be taught. Some will kill to prevent unborn babies from being aborted. Others think it is evil to work on a Sunday. Some think evil is killing of another human being. Others will kill himans to prevent evil happening to animals. Some fly planes into buildings to fight against evil, while others see that very act as evil. cont'd
5. Worse still, Christians who would blanch at rape, theft, murder and genocide, and who are quick to point the finger if a member of another religion uses violence in the name of their god, will swiftly leap to the defence of those very acts commanded by their God and carried out by the ancient Hebrews of their book. No right thinking person it seems to me could view the acts of the Old Testament as anything other than pure evil. Yet to Christians the Bible is the purest form of Good!
4. Likewise most of us consider rape, genopcide, theft and mass murder to be evil. Yet ancient people thought nothing of doing these things to other tribes. Some glorified these deeds in stories. Some went as far to stick these deeds into their holy book. Most Christians find these deeds appalling in a modern context, yet Christian Kingdoms in the middle ages could pursue some horrendous acts in the name of God. cont'd
3. In fact it is no different than an animal killing another animal, but because we can think, and have language, we express our pain and frustration with a word: evil We consider murder evil, but the definition of murder changes over time and from place to place. Some consider abortion to be a horrendous evil. Some think it is a profoundly important right. How can that be? I am sure the children of a pro-rights campaigner do not consider their mother evil, yet pro-life campaigners do.
2. Evil is again merely a concept, a product of human language. Animals avoid suffering. They protect their young. They protect their herd, pack etc. They feel pain. They may grieve. But they do not have a concept for evil. We certainly do not consider a wolf killing a rabbit evil, nor even a cat killing a mouse for play. Yet if a human does the same we call it evil. cont'd
Great question, but an unsophisticated and ill conceived argument. Evil does not exist. It is simply a concept. One cannot touch evil. We may understand and define the concept and many of us may agree on that definition, but not all of us do, and it certainly changes over time. Many Christians nowadays might have a different opinion on evil than their medieval counterparts. Mind you, America's willingness to torture and to execute criminals makes me wonder... anyway cont'd
" there would just be things that happen " yes. it is our imperfection that gives us free will. our free will allows us to have a conscience to judge what we see as "evil"
God is unable to create good without creating evil? Then why doesn't he me us feel better and better everyday to keep us happy? Sure yesterday wasn't as good as today and some may call that evil but at lease tomorrow will sure be better!
Yes, but enjoying life is the goal and attaining that goal is thru the Golden Rule. While I wouldn't want someone to kill me I have to understand that basic principle(what is good) to realize if I want to live then of course someone else wants to live so we apply the Golden Rule. I wouldn't want some to steal my stuff so I don't steal. There are universal codes limited to culture. Muslims think stoning is ok and cutting off someone's hand for stealing, do you? That's their code, why not you
Evil causes chaos. Without Laws or the acceptance of Laws which are established for the benefit of all, chaos will follow. Those who choose to deny these facts are those who love the darkness, where accountability get's dimmed, and the opportunity of fully pursuing the vile desires of one's own flesh becomes encouraged. Darkness leads to self destruction. God who is the light leads to Life eternally.
PLEASE READ FROM THE BEGINNING OF MY THREADED COMMENTS.
Through an in-depth study and meditation of Goodness and Evil. I personally realized that there is no way that Evil could have preceded Goodness. Goodness preceded Evil. If Evil had preceded Goodness, for its purely destructive nature nothing could ever be, and nothing could ever exist. Goodness therefore has always been. Evil therefore had a beginning as has not always been. The existence of Evil had a cause.
This is what is known as the battle of the mind. It is extremely important that you all realize that we are in the midst of a battle. A battle which has been longstanding between Good and Evil for the possession of your minds. Goodness is a system of thoughts. Evil also is a system of thoughts. Another Fact: System of thoughts are generated by a Conscious Mind which also possesses a conscious will. Evil is governed by an Authority none other than the Devil. Goodness is of God.
reason of deduction is that it was established by a very powerful Figure that has Absolute Authority whose will cannot be overruled by another. Otherwise the Laws placed in the human conscience will be as ever changing as Man's Laws are ever changing and constantly challenged. The only reason why human beings differ in opinion concerning what to believe is not a problem of the human conscious but a problem with the mind. As a man thinks in his heart so is he.
These Laws in the conscience is also consistent. Another Fact about Laws is without the presence of an Authority possessing power. Laws cannot be established. The more powerful the authority is the more stable the Laws of a land becomes. Now because the Laws in our human conscience is stable and never changing, because what is considered good today is considered good tomorrow, and what is considered evil today is also considered evil tomorrow. Therefore the most logical thing to conclude by
I agree 100% with everything you said. The awareness of Evil helps us to realize the Law's that God has placed in our hearts. Law's concerning what is right & wrong, concerning what is just and unjust.
These universal Laws which has been embedded in the human conscience is undeniable, murder in one man's culture is the same murder in another man's culture.
Here is a known fact about about Laws: without a Law giver there can be no Laws. A city that has no laws is a city that has no crime.
I am a christian myself. But I have to agree with PX6DEVASTATER. Your arguement is pointless. Good and Evil is a state of consiousness that is shared between all animals. Not just humans. Does got exist? Does he not exist? That is more of a failth subject. Don't mix morality or science with faith. I choose to believe in a God because I would like to think that there is an afterlife. Am I wrong for believing this? No. Are you wrong for not believing what I believe? No. Stick to faith on this sub.
i really dont believe in this god devil,bhudda, allah nonsence. .
i believe that good and evil is all around, but evil exists because people dont get what they want, and they loose the grip of theire own mind, all people are good at the beginning :)
but other people`s actions and neglections make people evil.. get a grip! when you die the only place your soul is going is into the memory of your friends and those who knows you ;)
Genesis 2:5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.
Note it says "knowing good AND evil not just evil. Because if you don't know evil then like Aleetheis said how can you know good? You just know what is, is. You have no knowledge of right and wrong. so yea, thought I'd pop that there.
nobody knows. but im sure millions if not thousands or hundreds of years from now when this God person hasnt saved the earth from polution or war and the human race has died out, im sure hell be laughing to himself in his armchair with his pipe and slippers
Evil is the product of man but that does not mean that suffering is. The presence of innocent suffering such as genetic diseases in children and the illness and disease caused by micro-organisms actually proves that either God does not exist, he is unaware of these things, he is powerless to do anything about them or he is capricious and sadistic. Morality comes from our conscience, society and our rational thought, not God, in fact, to give god credit for moral acts demeans the act
This is what the Bible refers to as people being attatched to Earthly posessions including your body. If heaven exists and you believe in God then why would disease bother you? You'd just be going to eternal happiness anyway right? Also it clearly states in the Bible Death, disease, famine, hardships etc were put upon us after Adam and Eve chose to do what they were not supposed to do.
Well evil does truly exsist and its god belief...the blood cults of christianity and judaisim and islam prove that the birth of all three have made it the worst of times our earth has ever seen.How many people have died in the Inquisition,Crusades,Salem Witch Trials,Palestinian and Isreali conflicts,and the current war in the Middle East.
Just because there is such a thing as "evil" does not prove anything. If you don't know the answer to 2+2 it doesn't mean it equals God. This is a weak argument and very typical of Christians.
Here's my argument. You say it yourself about a minute and a half in. (granted i'm taking it out of context).
It really just comes down to how we want to live our own lives. Good and evil are subjective, and far to difficult to debate.
It's a cognition thing, the golden rule. Treat people like you'd want to be treated. We only understand right and wrong because of our consciousness. Also, consider Hammurabi. Who existed long before Christianity. Hope I didn't offend. Peace.
Their are underlying truths and rules to the universe.....darkness in absence of light, nothingness in absence of substance, it is easier to destroy than create, It is more difficult to do good than do bad. You have recognized one of the lowest common denominator of the universe. Its not in a religious sense only, but commonsense. That's why the Bible is less a revelation of thought, but rather, a 'no-brainer' observation of reality
liek they say dude dont judge a book by its cover and to the other dude about good and bad those are just words nothing is good or eveil they are just 2 words wat seems good to one person might be bad for another but we use good or bad to explain how we feel about it know wat i mean lets say if ur son was suffering from an uncurable illness and he asked u to end the painb and u lets say murdered him to u.. u would be doing him good since u stoped his pain but other people would call u evil
Are you seeking to know what is wrong with the world? All the disasters that have wrecked your world, came from your leaders attempt to evade the fact that A is A. All the secret evil you dread to face within you and all the pain you have ever endured, came from your own attempt to evade the fact that A is A. The purpose of those who taught you to evade it, was to make you forget that Man is Man.-Ayn Rand
bc evil exists god must exist? hmmm... doesn't that also mean that the god who created all (according to the bible) must have created evil? doesn't it say that nothing exist without him? if you say that evil is the absence of god, the god just really allowed for that evil to come into existence.
lets start with the inquisitions and the witch burnings of the dark ages. the catholics were responsible for the most embarassing period of european history. the crusades invloved the killing of countless jews by the christians. the genocide of the new world was carried out by christians. slavery was carried out by christians. we can agree that your religion has a bad reputation. i am an atheist and live my life for not only me but for others around me and that is a satisfying life for me.
I find it immoral that some churches spend millions of dollars on their facilities while families go hungry only blocks away. It seems that if God could only provide a manger some hay in a stable for the birth of his "messiah" that maybe all this lavishment is blasphemous to his message. Also as a recovering catholic I found it quite odd that the Mass we celebrated practiced symbolic cannabolism in order to honor our "savior".
Europeans who came in the name of Jesus Christ to spread his holy gospel killed raped tortured and stole. It has been these same europeans through out mankind's history who have wreaked havoc throughout God's Kingdom defiling Jesus's message through their ignorance and perversion. Religion as it is practiced today is a perversion of the true word. No one really pays attention to the message, they are more interested in flock building and money
You understand now. Good and evil are relative terms not absolutes. There is no evil or good above all it is what you consider good or evil that exists. What is good to you might be evil to me just as what is good to me might be evil to you. Society's acceptance about things and individual personal opinions dictates what is good or evil not a character from a book and someones imagination.
the reason why we recognize "good" and "evil" lies in anthropology, ethology, and the evolution of man. some of these traits i think are hereditary, yet most of them are gained trough experience in childhood, education, and social surroundings.
it HAS been proven countless times trough cruel experiments, that a child raised with no human contact, will not develop the ability to differentiate "good" and "evil".
therefore, the fact that we differentiate "good" and "evil" is NOT a proof of god.
So when christian europeans came to America and basically stole all the land from the native americans usually through killing them or infecting them with disease was that good or evil?
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy sabbath of solemn rest to the Lord; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.
There is some of your fictional gods will. Shows how loving he is.
Well I am so glad you are christian and all the other dumb christians are christian. I'm atheist and i still have morals. You are scary and i would hate for you to go apeshit roidrage so im glad that you believe in god, but that doesn't change the fact that i think it is sad that you need a god to tell you right from wrong. It should resonate through your being
Doesn't everyone? do you live a life you don't want to live? if you say yes, you're saying you don't want to believe in god, or be a good person, or any of that. If you say no, then you're contradicting yourself
"evil proves god"
how about human morality? why does god have to be the reason?
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
You have a narrow mind. People don't think something is wrong unless they make a distinction of it in their thoughts, or others influence them to feel a certain way. People all over the world are gladly sinning against your god in various ways. They only feel guilty when they think that they're supposed to.
NO the Bible does NOT say that God created evil, it says he created disaster which is totally different. God did NOT create evil. God created good, and evil is the lack of goodness.
Some translations say evil, others calamity, dischord, disaster. Look at the comparison these verses make between light and dark, good and bad. Dark is the absence of light, bad the absence of good. Does that mean God didn't create the dark? No, he created the very universe, which is by nature dark when not lit up by light.
Before you argue semantics with me, have you studied the root Hebrew words in Isaiah 45? (I haven't.)
Here's a simple one, though. Who created that awful fellow Satan?
God created a brilliant being called the "bringer of the dawn" to rule over the earth. When Lucifer said "I AM the Most High" there was war in heaven and 1/3 of the angels sided with Satan and would not bow down to serve mortal men. Yes, he created evil.
cause god made everything so maybe he made the big bang
and the chemicals and shit must come from god cause how can something come out of nothing there must be a start of everything it cant be made out of nothing
good and evil are merely social concepts. in different countries different gestures are accepted as good or evil. it is the law that prevents us from doing good or evil not god.
Well, but isnt "good" and "bad" just in our heads? You make a point about how we wouldnt see something as being bad or good, we would just see things happening to someone or something and it wouldnt affect us. Well it doesnt necessarily. We make a decision to say that that is good, or that is bad. Simply because we say something is good or bad, does not unify us with the opinions of a devine being. Simply put, you've failed to unify gods existence with our perception of good.
ya i get u man, its kinsa like, nothing would convict us, so we wont know what evil, we wouldnt know whats sin, unless god tells us what we shouldnt do. so since there is evil means there is god. keep up the good shyt and never give up ur faith.
Evil does not exist outside of the mind neither does good.Man infers either on a given situation and acts accordingly.Just like pain does not exist outside the mind,these are concepts views and opinions.Christianity's moral code is based on authority,no morals can be founded on authority divine or not
Everyone is accountable. Its your reputation and your self respect that you are always going to be accountable for no matter what. The fear of a god is irrelavent, it is not necessary for us to be told whats good and whats bad to know. We can undestand whats negative about victimising someoen just as clear as we can understand the fact that we exist.
how can I be responsible for my self if there is no good or bad. I may be the decider, but not of good and evil. in the grand scheme, it would mean no morality. anything goes. vegas on the entire planet.
The problem with your argument is that you never provide a clear definition of "good" or "evil." Although you list a series events that you and I would probably place in one of these two categories, this is still a completely subjective standard. Your first contention should be that evil exists objectively.
BTW, I appreciate the fact that you want to have a sincere discussion about philosophical ideas.
ummm dude stick to lifting weights, or start reading books, you clearly aren't doing both so pick one. You're about 200 years behind on your arguements.
1. Evil is subjective no matter how much you try. Example- Is murder bad? If so we shouldn't have tried to murder hitler. Your arguements are weak and ignorant.
AArrrrghhh Back to the weight room. ;) just kidding man, better to think wrong than not to think at all.
evil is a very loose word and cannot be ascribed to substance (i.e., evil is not one exact THING).
but to entertain your query:
the presence of evil does not (and cannot) "prove" anything. in fact, NOTHING can PROVE god. in equal measure, nothing can DISPROVE god. thats why we can argue for the next 5 billion years.
can u prove/disprove MY theory that pink leprechauns inhabit a subterranean region on the moon? no. the same applies for "god."
I don't think Rape is bad because God said so, think it's bad because I care about the well being of others. I figured that one out on my own. It's called love. So tell me, how can a person raised as an atheist know good and bad? Because God has nothing to do with it.
Hey big guy- you seem sincere and like a nice guy. however your argument is deeply flawed. we may agree on what is good or bad, that has nothing to do with god. the thing that tells us what is good or bad (the 'law written on our heart') evolved over time with our social interaction, to promote behaivour which is beneficial to the survival of the group. theft- murder-rape, not good for the group as a whole, so=bad. your belief in good and bad doesn't mean there is a god. sorry my friend
My goodness is this tiresome. Good and evil are words humans invented to assign meaning to negative and positive behaviors. Good, in general is more consistant with human nature and human morality, and evil is more or less a concious rejection of those qualities. God is not needed.
You can keep your beliefs. I will not judge YOU by it, but I will judge the belief. Nothing proofs that god exists, and nothing really proves that he does not, but the bible has been disproved on many subject, but religious people won't admit it. They always find some fucked excuse. God damn am I sick of religion. It makes people so blind, once they belief in that fairytale called the bible, nothing can turn them back so I don't know why I bother. Have fun in heaven, I'm with satan now
you are very misled people decide what is good and bad thousands of years ago they thought that men marrying young girls was good now we think it is bad
In the bible god condones violence against homosexuals,those who worked on the sabbath,etc. I guess that makes him evil.Nice try,but your argument fails.There is no god like the bible says.If he did exist he would be a homophobic and cruel god.
Yeah, ok. I was joking. It was sort of a loud sarcastic statement. But there is something wrong with homosexuality. Man should not lay with man as with woman for it is an abomination. ;)
I like that shit,so what?i also like women's feet.I'm a kinky fucker!!You don't like it? Then eat my turds you closeted homo!!!And like I said,there is nothing wrong with like the same sex.
It says people who work on the sabbath should be put to death. Slavery was allowed. It says those who commit adultry should be put to death. Im not saying I don't believe but damn, in the first book god was a nazi lol.
Not the new improved bible written by the man himself!
Navaerick699bb pretty much said it.
I cannot see how religion is so big in 2008.
I've heard religious people use an arguement like ''But look at us, we are a design'' But no, we adapted to the image, if we had no ears we would still look pretty, if we didnt have a nose we STILL would etc.
"'I refuse to prove i exist' says God, 'becouse proof denies faith, and without faith, i am nothing'. 'But', says man,' the human mind is a dead givaway, isnt it? It could have not evolved by chance. It proves you exist, therefore, by your own argument, you dont. QED'
"' Oh dear,' says God, ' I hadnt thought of that,' and prompltly vanishes in a puff of logic
people who are trying to contradict this guy are just plain retarded. this video makes the most sense of any video i have seen in a long time. this guys knows what hes talking about. props.
Evil and Good are both opinions. In my opinion, the definitions of evil and good have come through evolution of society. This, I think, is proven by looking at the definitions of good and evil in foreign countries. They just don't line up with ours all the time.
random "things happening", labeled as either good or evil, prove nothing. you cannot generate a proof from an event. you need to use reason and logic to arrive at a proof. and i think it's far too assumptive to state that two individuals will agree that any certain action or event should be classified as either "good" or "evil". for example, i tend to think of the entirety of organized religion as extremely detrimental and ill-intended (or evil, if you must use these terms).
Here's your proof. Like the Animal when they kill another animal they don't feel bad they just keep on killing until they are satisfied. Cause all Animals has no "Living Soul" in them. But, Human being has a living soul in every each one of them.
when a human being kill another human being they feel Bad or Guilty & their conscious hunts them. Other people their soul are "spiritually dead" & when they kill a human being it does not bother them at all.
animals kill to feed. And they dont kill their own. Humans kill their own, and kill a lot for non-nutritious reasons. Therefore humans have no soul, and animals have.
You seem to have a very bleek view of humans. You actually think that if there were no god, we would all just rape and murder each other. Is that what you think of people in general? How sad it is to know that if god didn't exist, you would be a child molesting, murdering, rapist. Since we couldnt figure out right from wrong by ourselves, I guess you wouldn't find any problem with that statement being true if god didn't exist. Would you commit all those acts if I proved god didnt exist?
I respect your viewpoint however I would disagree that you have proven that God exists with your statements. You have not given me proof of God you have given me the proof of why religion was created.
Example: If an experiment were allowed for a newborn human to be put in and raised in an environment of animals, that human would not have the same moral code as they would if they were raised by humans.
My point: Convictions are taught to us. They are not part of our genetic makeup.
Did you know that we are all like God. Because we know from Good & Bad. Did you know also that the law of God is written in every human's heart that we will dicern from Evil & Good because we are all created in the image of God. Not like the animal when they kill another animal they don't feel bad.
But, humans does. Because we are in loins of
Adam & Eve when they ate the Forviden Tree.
they shall become like God & will know from Evil & Good. So, we don't need to speculate whether god exist.
Right on bro..I agree.
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
~Epicurus
expressssssssssss 1 year ago
lol its humanity(morality),,,,,,,,,,,, u said without god you wouldn't care for nothing wow
JonNebula11 1 year ago
There is no evidence for the existence of god and it's highly stupid for Christians to keep pushing it because their entire religion does not rest on EVIDENCE but FAITH. Hence its irrationality. I don't believe in your god anymore than I believe in Allah, or Thor or Mother Goose! And it doesn't matter if some vague 2000+ year old book claims x, y and z just because something is popular doesn't prove its existence.
GaeilgeSpraoi 1 year ago
@GaeilgeSpraoi there is outside evidence not the bible but rather jewish, roman, greek historians who have recorded the life, death, and ressurection of jesus.... look it up. you people need to do more studying! and since there are no morals absolutes because there is no achor aka God, why be rid of religion because than religion is nothing more than evolved idea just like everything else and its not Evil because according to common 'Modern ideas' evil is just an opinion.
StarRonKid 1 year ago
@GaeilgeSpraoi So you guys are just contradicting what guys like you are out to do, because removing religion is like removing opinions then its just so pointless and a wild excuse to attack religious people. there i evidence for the existence of God, but considering if your an atheist your just gonna weasel out and try to change the topic when i have a strong foot hold.
StarRonKid 1 year ago
@StarRonKid Note: The burden of proof rests on the believer and not on the disbeliever. Therefore, if you're trying to make a point that a god exists objectively then please provide me with strong empirical evidence! Also, you're going on about Jesus, I'll say again what about Allah, Bramah, and other gods people believe in are they suddenly wrong because they're of a different religion? You're very vague regarding these Greek, Roman, Jewish historians, care to name a few?
GaeilgeSpraoi 1 year ago
@GaeilgeSpraoi jesus was a person thats the huge difference between allah, braham, and the other Gods, jesus was realistic and recorded by these historians Roman Tacitus,Flavius Josephus, Pliny the Younger, Lucian of Samosata, these guys are outside of the bible, historians of jesus and early christianity.
StarRonKid 1 year ago
I read up on the claimed authors who provided secular sources for the historicity of Jesus and all of them never lived during this time but after by at least 32AD. There is speculation in fact on the authenticity of the documents. Christianity has been used for political and social control and due to these motivations, one questions the genuineness of so-called "evidence". "Christ" was a title, not a name, in fact a common name meaning 'The anointed one' and was given to many at that time.
GaeilgeSpraoi 1 year ago
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@GaeilgeSpraoi "The burden of proof rests on the believer and not on the disbeliever. " not necesarrily when the disbeliever makes the opposite claim of what the believer claims. So for me i claim i believe in God, while you claim you don't believe in God, there is evidence it just depends how a person interprets the evidence. also thank you for not insulting me and treating me like a idiot :)
StarRonKid 1 year ago
@StarRonKid Also "your people"? well unlike Christians and Muslims, atheists, agnostics, sceptics tend to be free thinkers and don't have some collective club where they try to enforce their non-beliefs on others. Therefore I represent only myself. Just to clarify that just in case you think some new atheistic world order is on the rise... another thing, I don't label myself atheist anymore than I label myself a-fairyist or a-ghostist...
GaeilgeSpraoi 1 year ago
@GaeilgeSpraoi its funny how you say you are free thinkers because atheist believe there is no God, and according to what many atheists are which is evolutionists, and from evolution comes your morals and emotions which according to evolution comes to molecules that your body is made up of, so really your "free-thinking" is nothing more than the random chance of your molecules and what they are "feeling" ... so you don't have free will according to evolution. matter acts the way matter acts..
StarRonKid 1 year ago
Well neither do you have free-will if you accept Christianity. God is omniscient so he can see the future even his actions before he's performed them and he's also omnipotent so he's all-powerful. So he already knows the course of our lives and our destiny (i.e. heaven or hell) before we've lived it. So essentially our lives are already predetermined so it really questions free will? According to Evolution, yes we are limited to our environment and nature. We can't fly for example like a bird.
GaeilgeSpraoi 1 year ago
@GaeilgeSpraoi so calling yourselves free-thinkers is nothing more than a lie you tell yourselves just comfort yourself and not worry while being a hypocrite to your philosophy. you truly do have logic that you follow and makes sense. don't get me wrong here, i'm not here to make fun of you, im here to prove a point. so you don't represent yourself, your nothing more than a slave to the chemical build-up of your body.
StarRonKid 1 year ago
Evolution isn't unique to nonbelief, in fact many religions accept it. There are vast amounts of empirical evidence in favour of it. You're talking about Materialistic Determinism here. I believe on one hand yes we are naturally determined by nature, hereditary, society, etc but we are still free. The existentialist Jean-Paul Sartre said "man is condemned to be free" and that even if one is tied up, they can still think and breath. Our freedom may be constantly limited, but exists nevertheless
GaeilgeSpraoi 1 year ago
Yes we are slaves to our bodies because we cannot exist independently of them. I disagree with you. Thinking is perhaps the only thing that marks our freedom because it's via thought processes that we make choices. You could be tied up but you could still think! We never reach our potential freedom due to determined factors but we are free beings because we can make choices. I'd recommend reading 'Being and Nothingness' by Sartre.
GaeilgeSpraoi 1 year ago
@GaeilgeSpraoi but you don't know that do you, if your thinking is a sign of freedom, how do you know its not your atoms influencing your thoughts and changing and destroying your real opinion? you don't know so no matter what, you are either being locked into the illusion of freedom and so you can never truly tell if your in control or not..... it just seems like you are....
StarRonKid 1 year ago
Well we could go on with this train of thought but there are dozens of things we can't prove but we don't believe in them. II could say to you that your freedom and existence is an illusion because there is an evil dæmon who is omnipotent and is controlling your every thought and action, to borrow from Descartes. We could say that that is the case but we don't know and can't prove it isn't so. That's why we rely on evidence and there is none to suggest atomic brain interference or dæmon.
GaeilgeSpraoi 1 year ago
@GaeilgeSpraoi evidence? how would you provide evidence for a miracle? then only way you can do that is by a mutiple eyewitnesses account of it. its clearly evolutionary thought and philosophy that everything comes from our molecules and so anything that happens is just because thats how our atoms felt.... and since evolution is "proven" then why be against religion when it just comes from our atoms? thats not being free, nor respected as humans, we are all truly animals because of this theory
StarRonKid 1 year ago
8. So how about we cut out all of the garbage that has been accumulated by millenia worth of competing impostions by other worldly, fantastical, supernatural beings, and we as humans decide what it is that harms us. Not what offends us. no one has the right not to be offended. Harmed. It does not harm a woman to be educated. It does not harm anyone to work on sundays. It does harm people to expect them to follow your irrational beliefs. This is a start... any one want to add anything?
ptolemyauletesXII 1 year ago
7. Well, the only thing that seems really clear to me is that we can't even agree what evil is. How then can we imagine that it proves God? Evil is a mere concept, and one that can be shelved or altered to fit the prevailing wind. It is simply an expression of what pains us, or what offends us. Is there absolute evil? I doubt the religious mind can agree upon it. That leaves it to the non-religious to agree on a definition.
ptolemyauletesXII 1 year ago
6. Some people consider it evil not to grow a beard. Some say it is evil to allow women to be taught. Some will kill to prevent unborn babies from being aborted. Others think it is evil to work on a Sunday. Some think evil is killing of another human being. Others will kill himans to prevent evil happening to animals. Some fly planes into buildings to fight against evil, while others see that very act as evil. cont'd
ptolemyauletesXII 1 year ago
5. Worse still, Christians who would blanch at rape, theft, murder and genocide, and who are quick to point the finger if a member of another religion uses violence in the name of their god, will swiftly leap to the defence of those very acts commanded by their God and carried out by the ancient Hebrews of their book. No right thinking person it seems to me could view the acts of the Old Testament as anything other than pure evil. Yet to Christians the Bible is the purest form of Good!
ptolemyauletesXII 1 year ago
4. Likewise most of us consider rape, genopcide, theft and mass murder to be evil. Yet ancient people thought nothing of doing these things to other tribes. Some glorified these deeds in stories. Some went as far to stick these deeds into their holy book. Most Christians find these deeds appalling in a modern context, yet Christian Kingdoms in the middle ages could pursue some horrendous acts in the name of God. cont'd
ptolemyauletesXII 1 year ago
3. In fact it is no different than an animal killing another animal, but because we can think, and have language, we express our pain and frustration with a word: evil We consider murder evil, but the definition of murder changes over time and from place to place. Some consider abortion to be a horrendous evil. Some think it is a profoundly important right. How can that be? I am sure the children of a pro-rights campaigner do not consider their mother evil, yet pro-life campaigners do.
ptolemyauletesXII 1 year ago
2. Evil is again merely a concept, a product of human language. Animals avoid suffering. They protect their young. They protect their herd, pack etc. They feel pain. They may grieve. But they do not have a concept for evil. We certainly do not consider a wolf killing a rabbit evil, nor even a cat killing a mouse for play. Yet if a human does the same we call it evil. cont'd
ptolemyauletesXII 1 year ago
Great question, but an unsophisticated and ill conceived argument. Evil does not exist. It is simply a concept. One cannot touch evil. We may understand and define the concept and many of us may agree on that definition, but not all of us do, and it certainly changes over time. Many Christians nowadays might have a different opinion on evil than their medieval counterparts. Mind you, America's willingness to torture and to execute criminals makes me wonder... anyway cont'd
ptolemyauletesXII 1 year ago
" there would just be things that happen " yes. it is our imperfection that gives us free will. our free will allows us to have a conscience to judge what we see as "evil"
so yes "things just happen".
tw0m0ch 1 year ago
God is unable to create good without creating evil? Then why doesn't he me us feel better and better everyday to keep us happy? Sure yesterday wasn't as good as today and some may call that evil but at lease tomorrow will sure be better!
dycarbon1 1 year ago
Evil is not proof for the existence of a god.
Evil is simply a word which we use to describe people or actions which wrongly harm, hurt or cause suffering to others.
RationalConclusion 2 years ago
@RationalConclusion
its amazing in the day and age we live in, how close minded people like you are. your opinion is nothing but a mere connection of insipid words!
jiuufctsu18 1 year ago
@jiuufctsu18 what makes you think that I'm close minded?
How exactly is my comment "nothing but a mere connection of insipid words"?
What do you think evil is?
RationalConclusion 1 year ago
Yes, but enjoying life is the goal and attaining that goal is thru the Golden Rule. While I wouldn't want someone to kill me I have to understand that basic principle(what is good) to realize if I want to live then of course someone else wants to live so we apply the Golden Rule. I wouldn't want some to steal my stuff so I don't steal. There are universal codes limited to culture. Muslims think stoning is ok and cutting off someone's hand for stealing, do you? That's their code, why not you
TXatheist 2 years ago
Evil causes chaos. Without Laws or the acceptance of Laws which are established for the benefit of all, chaos will follow. Those who choose to deny these facts are those who love the darkness, where accountability get's dimmed, and the opportunity of fully pursuing the vile desires of one's own flesh becomes encouraged. Darkness leads to self destruction. God who is the light leads to Life eternally.
PLEASE READ FROM THE BEGINNING OF MY THREADED COMMENTS.
2xOagent 2 years ago
Through an in-depth study and meditation of Goodness and Evil. I personally realized that there is no way that Evil could have preceded Goodness. Goodness preceded Evil. If Evil had preceded Goodness, for its purely destructive nature nothing could ever be, and nothing could ever exist. Goodness therefore has always been. Evil therefore had a beginning as has not always been. The existence of Evil had a cause.
2xOagent 2 years ago
This is what is known as the battle of the mind. It is extremely important that you all realize that we are in the midst of a battle. A battle which has been longstanding between Good and Evil for the possession of your minds. Goodness is a system of thoughts. Evil also is a system of thoughts. Another Fact: System of thoughts are generated by a Conscious Mind which also possesses a conscious will. Evil is governed by an Authority none other than the Devil. Goodness is of God.
2xOagent 2 years ago
reason of deduction is that it was established by a very powerful Figure that has Absolute Authority whose will cannot be overruled by another. Otherwise the Laws placed in the human conscience will be as ever changing as Man's Laws are ever changing and constantly challenged. The only reason why human beings differ in opinion concerning what to believe is not a problem of the human conscious but a problem with the mind. As a man thinks in his heart so is he.
2xOagent 2 years ago
These Laws in the conscience is also consistent. Another Fact about Laws is without the presence of an Authority possessing power. Laws cannot be established. The more powerful the authority is the more stable the Laws of a land becomes. Now because the Laws in our human conscience is stable and never changing, because what is considered good today is considered good tomorrow, and what is considered evil today is also considered evil tomorrow. Therefore the most logical thing to conclude by
2xOagent 2 years ago
I agree 100% with everything you said. The awareness of Evil helps us to realize the Law's that God has placed in our hearts. Law's concerning what is right & wrong, concerning what is just and unjust.
These universal Laws which has been embedded in the human conscience is undeniable, murder in one man's culture is the same murder in another man's culture.
Here is a known fact about about Laws: without a Law giver there can be no Laws. A city that has no laws is a city that has no crime.
2xOagent 2 years ago
Sigh.. if evil being in the world doesn't disprove why must it then necessarily follow that that the presence of good then prove his existence...
coolbeens21 2 years ago
I am a christian myself. But I have to agree with PX6DEVASTATER. Your arguement is pointless. Good and Evil is a state of consiousness that is shared between all animals. Not just humans. Does got exist? Does he not exist? That is more of a failth subject. Don't mix morality or science with faith. I choose to believe in a God because I would like to think that there is an afterlife. Am I wrong for believing this? No. Are you wrong for not believing what I believe? No. Stick to faith on this sub.
juniousnorris 2 years ago
this argument is pointless, the concept of good and evil is a human creation it does not prove the existence of anything.
PX6DEVASTATER 2 years ago
Why are we arguing about this? I thought everyone knew he didn't exist? Its 2009 for gods sake.
deejayedwards 2 years ago
Dumb fucker does not know what the word prove or proof means. Get real gayboy
MicrosoftsourceCode 2 years ago
i dont give a shit hes not real
pinkust 2 years ago
dumb teddybear fag
gytarok 2 years ago
continuing from last post
so if you are an asshole, noone will remember you for the good person you where,
maby that is hell..
znippo1 2 years ago
what DongelProduction said :D
i really dont believe in this god devil,bhudda, allah nonsence. .
i believe that good and evil is all around, but evil exists because people dont get what they want, and they loose the grip of theire own mind, all people are good at the beginning :)
but other people`s actions and neglections make people evil.. get a grip! when you die the only place your soul is going is into the memory of your friends and those who knows you ;)
znippo1 2 years ago
so god is evil, lucky that im an atheist
DongelProduction 2 years ago 2
Genesis 2:5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.
Note it says "knowing good AND evil not just evil. Because if you don't know evil then like Aleetheis said how can you know good? You just know what is, is. You have no knowledge of right and wrong. so yea, thought I'd pop that there.
o0oTintino0o 2 years ago
weak justification. there is no god
LIFELONGTRAGEDY 2 years ago
THERE IS A GOD!!!!!!!!!!
CherrimBunearyEmily2 2 years ago 2
no proof of God, does not exist
LIFELONGTRAGEDY 2 years ago
who created the world?
CherrimBunearyEmily2 2 years ago
nobody knows. but im sure millions if not thousands or hundreds of years from now when this God person hasnt saved the earth from polution or war and the human race has died out, im sure hell be laughing to himself in his armchair with his pipe and slippers
LIFELONGTRAGEDY 2 years ago
maybe he let it happen. things happen for a reason
CherrimBunearyEmily2 2 years ago
lol evil does not prove god exists...
Evil proves GOOD exists. One existing only proves the other, i.e. its opposite.
God is everything so therefor the opposite is nothing.
Evil you say is proof of GOD. Then I say to you, by your own definition, Evil must be nothing...
RevealedTruth2009 2 years ago
Man, i really should get to meet his supplier. He is on som good shit.
tvibb 2 years ago
Evil is the product of man but that does not mean that suffering is. The presence of innocent suffering such as genetic diseases in children and the illness and disease caused by micro-organisms actually proves that either God does not exist, he is unaware of these things, he is powerless to do anything about them or he is capricious and sadistic. Morality comes from our conscience, society and our rational thought, not God, in fact, to give god credit for moral acts demeans the act
nevillman93 2 years ago
This is what the Bible refers to as people being attatched to Earthly posessions including your body. If heaven exists and you believe in God then why would disease bother you? You'd just be going to eternal happiness anyway right? Also it clearly states in the Bible Death, disease, famine, hardships etc were put upon us after Adam and Eve chose to do what they were not supposed to do.
Trickxareforkids 2 years ago
Well evil does truly exsist and its god belief...the blood cults of christianity and judaisim and islam prove that the birth of all three have made it the worst of times our earth has ever seen.How many people have died in the Inquisition,Crusades,Salem Witch Trials,Palestinian and Isreali conflicts,and the current war in the Middle East.
Killer0fTheSun 3 years ago
Just because there is such a thing as "evil" does not prove anything. If you don't know the answer to 2+2 it doesn't mean it equals God. This is a weak argument and very typical of Christians.
Mpua24 3 years ago
yea man youre exactly right. god doesnt decide whats right. people do. so what's the problem with that?
maikeru01 3 years ago
Your heart can't think moron, it's just the muscle that pumps blood... And if God exist, he IS EVIL! Or mentally ill!
snorreproductions 3 years ago
Here's my argument. You say it yourself about a minute and a half in. (granted i'm taking it out of context).
It really just comes down to how we want to live our own lives. Good and evil are subjective, and far to difficult to debate.
It's a cognition thing, the golden rule. Treat people like you'd want to be treated. We only understand right and wrong because of our consciousness. Also, consider Hammurabi. Who existed long before Christianity. Hope I didn't offend. Peace.
SlyCasanova 3 years ago
If rape is evil, why does Biblegod order it throughout the Old Testament?
nostragoth 3 years ago
Their are underlying truths and rules to the universe.....darkness in absence of light, nothingness in absence of substance, it is easier to destroy than create, It is more difficult to do good than do bad. You have recognized one of the lowest common denominator of the universe. Its not in a religious sense only, but commonsense. That's why the Bible is less a revelation of thought, but rather, a 'no-brainer' observation of reality
debaucheryBotched 3 years ago
"Evil" and "Good" is too much of a perspective insight and far to subjective to make a argument for or against the existance of a supreme being
MageWarrior13 3 years ago
This guy would look like Bill Goldberg if he had bigger shoulders...
KoRnYwAyZ 3 years ago
this guy is pretty intellegent for someone who has videos on youtube of how to rip a phonebook in half...HAHAHA i just wouldnt expect this from him
scabu2 3 years ago
liek they say dude dont judge a book by its cover and to the other dude about good and bad those are just words nothing is good or eveil they are just 2 words wat seems good to one person might be bad for another but we use good or bad to explain how we feel about it know wat i mean lets say if ur son was suffering from an uncurable illness and he asked u to end the painb and u lets say murdered him to u.. u would be doing him good since u stoped his pain but other people would call u evil
valles666 3 years ago
Are you seeking to know what is wrong with the world? All the disasters that have wrecked your world, came from your leaders attempt to evade the fact that A is A. All the secret evil you dread to face within you and all the pain you have ever endured, came from your own attempt to evade the fact that A is A. The purpose of those who taught you to evade it, was to make you forget that Man is Man.-Ayn Rand
YOURGOD78 3 years ago
uhm... if god existed he created evil therefore there is no evil without god...
the devil has killed very few ...while god has killed millions...
I ask you...who is more evil?
maeyako 3 years ago
You have a low IQ.
Viktir666 3 years ago
bc evil exists god must exist? hmmm... doesn't that also mean that the god who created all (according to the bible) must have created evil? doesn't it say that nothing exist without him? if you say that evil is the absence of god, the god just really allowed for that evil to come into existence.
martawisnie 3 years ago
lets start with the inquisitions and the witch burnings of the dark ages. the catholics were responsible for the most embarassing period of european history. the crusades invloved the killing of countless jews by the christians. the genocide of the new world was carried out by christians. slavery was carried out by christians. we can agree that your religion has a bad reputation. i am an atheist and live my life for not only me but for others around me and that is a satisfying life for me.
riboffkita 3 years ago
I find it immoral that some churches spend millions of dollars on their facilities while families go hungry only blocks away. It seems that if God could only provide a manger some hay in a stable for the birth of his "messiah" that maybe all this lavishment is blasphemous to his message. Also as a recovering catholic I found it quite odd that the Mass we celebrated practiced symbolic cannabolism in order to honor our "savior".
oraclez69 3 years ago
Europeans who came in the name of Jesus Christ to spread his holy gospel killed raped tortured and stole. It has been these same europeans through out mankind's history who have wreaked havoc throughout God's Kingdom defiling Jesus's message through their ignorance and perversion. Religion as it is practiced today is a perversion of the true word. No one really pays attention to the message, they are more interested in flock building and money
oraclez69 3 years ago
You understand now. Good and evil are relative terms not absolutes. There is no evil or good above all it is what you consider good or evil that exists. What is good to you might be evil to me just as what is good to me might be evil to you. Society's acceptance about things and individual personal opinions dictates what is good or evil not a character from a book and someones imagination.
Lord666Belial 3 years ago
the reason why we recognize "good" and "evil" lies in anthropology, ethology, and the evolution of man. some of these traits i think are hereditary, yet most of them are gained trough experience in childhood, education, and social surroundings.
it HAS been proven countless times trough cruel experiments, that a child raised with no human contact, will not develop the ability to differentiate "good" and "evil".
therefore, the fact that we differentiate "good" and "evil" is NOT a proof of god.
ggrushporn 3 years ago
god creating cancer must be good. because god is all loving
FuhkTheSystem 3 years ago 2
silly rabbit
banevictus 3 years ago
So when christian europeans came to America and basically stole all the land from the native americans usually through killing them or infecting them with disease was that good or evil?
oraclez69 3 years ago
Are you confused about man's will vs God's will.
banevictus 3 years ago
Exodus 35:2
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy sabbath of solemn rest to the Lord; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.
There is some of your fictional gods will. Shows how loving he is.
Lord666Belial 3 years ago
American Indians gave the world Syphilis was that good or evil?
banevictus 3 years ago
Well I am so glad you are christian and all the other dumb christians are christian. I'm atheist and i still have morals. You are scary and i would hate for you to go apeshit roidrage so im glad that you believe in god, but that doesn't change the fact that i think it is sad that you need a god to tell you right from wrong. It should resonate through your being
footballman134 3 years ago
"I would live life however I want"
Doesn't everyone? do you live a life you don't want to live? if you say yes, you're saying you don't want to believe in god, or be a good person, or any of that. If you say no, then you're contradicting yourself
"evil proves god"
how about human morality? why does god have to be the reason?
randompedestrian382 3 years ago
God is the origin of all evil.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
You have a narrow mind. People don't think something is wrong unless they make a distinction of it in their thoughts, or others influence them to feel a certain way. People all over the world are gladly sinning against your god in various ways. They only feel guilty when they think that they're supposed to.
kreskinkun 3 years ago
NO the Bible does NOT say that God created evil, it says he created disaster which is totally different. God did NOT create evil. God created good, and evil is the lack of goodness.
Y0uTubexoxo 3 years ago
Some translations say evil, others calamity, dischord, disaster. Look at the comparison these verses make between light and dark, good and bad. Dark is the absence of light, bad the absence of good. Does that mean God didn't create the dark? No, he created the very universe, which is by nature dark when not lit up by light.
Before you argue semantics with me, have you studied the root Hebrew words in Isaiah 45? (I haven't.)
Here's a simple one, though. Who created that awful fellow Satan?
kreskinkun 3 years ago
God created a brilliant being called the "bringer of the dawn" to rule over the earth. When Lucifer said "I AM the Most High" there was war in heaven and 1/3 of the angels sided with Satan and would not bow down to serve mortal men. Yes, he created evil.
banevictus 3 years ago
there is a god and the big bang is fake
cause god made everything so maybe he made the big bang
and the chemicals and shit must come from god cause how can something come out of nothing there must be a start of everything it cant be made out of nothing
benymen10 3 years ago
This doesn't make sense at all........sigh
kegs666 3 years ago
NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE! FUK GOD AN THA POLICE!!
haha trix
aaurahasnoballs 3 years ago
fuck you
Playmate2469 3 years ago
this is a man who has not seen nuff EVIL lets pray 4 him
bigvato20 3 years ago
good and evil are merely social concepts. in different countries different gestures are accepted as good or evil. it is the law that prevents us from doing good or evil not god.
LushonFeare 3 years ago
I wish your brain was even half the size of your biceps.
villeppi 3 years ago
sure... murder, rape, starvation, molestation, jealousy, sadness... the only logical conclusion I can reach is a loving God.
Metallic7Dust 3 years ago
Well, but isnt "good" and "bad" just in our heads? You make a point about how we wouldnt see something as being bad or good, we would just see things happening to someone or something and it wouldnt affect us. Well it doesnt necessarily. We make a decision to say that that is good, or that is bad. Simply because we say something is good or bad, does not unify us with the opinions of a devine being. Simply put, you've failed to unify gods existence with our perception of good.
ProkofievRules 3 years ago
what a shit question, your scarping the attention barrel mate, get a life and some friends
DarkJediDan 3 years ago
ya i get u man, its kinsa like, nothing would convict us, so we wont know what evil, we wouldnt know whats sin, unless god tells us what we shouldnt do. so since there is evil means there is god. keep up the good shyt and never give up ur faith.
2pacOG 3 years ago
Evil does not exist outside of the mind neither does good.Man infers either on a given situation and acts accordingly.Just like pain does not exist outside the mind,these are concepts views and opinions.Christianity's moral code is based on authority,no morals can be founded on authority divine or not
klownphish 3 years ago
So, what you're saying is, because we have morals, that proves the existence of god, and the biblical god no less? Brilliant!
internetwraith 3 years ago
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God.
Blamefulrednas 3 years ago
AMEN!!!
Hrmnisboss 3 years ago
Everyone is accountable. Its your reputation and your self respect that you are always going to be accountable for no matter what. The fear of a god is irrelavent, it is not necessary for us to be told whats good and whats bad to know. We can undestand whats negative about victimising someoen just as clear as we can understand the fact that we exist.
Roenazarrek 3 years ago
how can I be responsible for my self if there is no good or bad. I may be the decider, but not of good and evil. in the grand scheme, it would mean no morality. anything goes. vegas on the entire planet.
LinearCarp1209 3 years ago
knowing the difference between right and wrong resulted in original sin... yet it could lead to our salvation? how can this be true?
skurt999 3 years ago
The problem with your argument is that you never provide a clear definition of "good" or "evil." Although you list a series events that you and I would probably place in one of these two categories, this is still a completely subjective standard. Your first contention should be that evil exists objectively.
BTW, I appreciate the fact that you want to have a sincere discussion about philosophical ideas.
mastershake999 3 years ago
Wow... the simple are rightly so-called.
moekelok 3 years ago 2
ummm dude stick to lifting weights, or start reading books, you clearly aren't doing both so pick one. You're about 200 years behind on your arguements.
1. Evil is subjective no matter how much you try. Example- Is murder bad? If so we shouldn't have tried to murder hitler. Your arguements are weak and ignorant.
AArrrrghhh Back to the weight room. ;) just kidding man, better to think wrong than not to think at all.
ArFoce 3 years ago
Can't you just stand there and look pretty and not talk? Try to impress us with your biceps not your brain.
contijet1964 3 years ago
you are an idiot.
just because you think that something is true, doesn't mean it is.
there is no proof that god exists.
turnyourbackandrun 3 years ago
first of all, evil is imaginative interpretation.
evil is a very loose word and cannot be ascribed to substance (i.e., evil is not one exact THING).
but to entertain your query:
the presence of evil does not (and cannot) "prove" anything. in fact, NOTHING can PROVE god. in equal measure, nothing can DISPROVE god. thats why we can argue for the next 5 billion years.
can u prove/disprove MY theory that pink leprechauns inhabit a subterranean region on the moon? no. the same applies for "god."
tonikmajor 3 years ago
Compassion gives us a moral compass, not faith.
I don't think Rape is bad because God said so, think it's bad because I care about the well being of others. I figured that one out on my own. It's called love. So tell me, how can a person raised as an atheist know good and bad? Because God has nothing to do with it.
umbraven 3 years ago
very well said- you are completely right on that
tonikmajor 3 years ago
Hey big guy- you seem sincere and like a nice guy. however your argument is deeply flawed. we may agree on what is good or bad, that has nothing to do with god. the thing that tells us what is good or bad (the 'law written on our heart') evolved over time with our social interaction, to promote behaivour which is beneficial to the survival of the group. theft- murder-rape, not good for the group as a whole, so=bad. your belief in good and bad doesn't mean there is a god. sorry my friend
HugeJohn51 3 years ago
My goodness is this tiresome. Good and evil are words humans invented to assign meaning to negative and positive behaviors. Good, in general is more consistant with human nature and human morality, and evil is more or less a concious rejection of those qualities. God is not needed.
evolve749 3 years ago
You can keep your beliefs. I will not judge YOU by it, but I will judge the belief. Nothing proofs that god exists, and nothing really proves that he does not, but the bible has been disproved on many subject, but religious people won't admit it. They always find some fucked excuse. God damn am I sick of religion. It makes people so blind, once they belief in that fairytale called the bible, nothing can turn them back so I don't know why I bother. Have fun in heaven, I'm with satan now
Krygeryo 3 years ago
There are actually several points in the bible proven to be true too :D
I won't start mentioning em all cuz i don't remember all and i don't have time.
Hjernespreng 3 years ago
Well of course. The people who wrote it, yes..people! Did of course not just write fiction.
Krygeryo 3 years ago
you are very misled people decide what is good and bad thousands of years ago they thought that men marrying young girls was good now we think it is bad
zangetsu9915 3 years ago
we create our own evil.
sweetsweetcandy867 3 years ago
In the bible god condones violence against homosexuals,those who worked on the sabbath,etc. I guess that makes him evil.Nice try,but your argument fails.There is no god like the bible says.If he did exist he would be a homophobic and cruel god.
jayanpeludo 3 years ago
BURN THE FAGS FOR JESUS!
navaerick69bb 3 years ago
navaerick69bb,you sound like a closeted homosexual.come out of the closet brother,we won't judge you,being gay is not a bad thing.
jayanpeludo 3 years ago
Yeah, ok. I was joking. It was sort of a loud sarcastic statement. But there is something wrong with homosexuality. Man should not lay with man as with woman for it is an abomination. ;)
navaerick69bb 3 years ago
by the way. What the heck is it with you and girls with armpit hair. Yeah, bro. You gotta work on that.
navaerick69bb 3 years ago
I like that shit,so what?i also like women's feet.I'm a kinky fucker!!You don't like it? Then eat my turds you closeted homo!!!And like I said,there is nothing wrong with like the same sex.
jayanpeludo 3 years ago
Jesus loves you and I love you. <3
navaerick69bb 3 years ago
Thanks,but Jesus is dead,he's been dead for a loooooong time,he has no clue what's going on now.Hey, I love you too my man.
jayanpeludo 3 years ago
Haha, I felt the sarcasm. The bible tells us to kill homosexuals. And non believers, and people who work on sundays :)
Krygeryo 3 years ago
Why do you talk about the bible like that?
there are NO points in the bible where it stands that you shall kill homosexuals.
It stands that marriage with someone of the same gender is "a bad thing".
Hjernespreng 3 years ago
Uh in the bible before the new testament.
It says people who work on the sabbath should be put to death. Slavery was allowed. It says those who commit adultry should be put to death. Im not saying I don't believe but damn, in the first book god was a nazi lol.
navaerick69bb 3 years ago
Tell me what chapter it is in.
I'll see if it is like you say in my bible.
Hjernespreng 3 years ago
Not the new improved bible written by the man himself!
Navaerick699bb pretty much said it.
I cannot see how religion is so big in 2008.
I've heard religious people use an arguement like ''But look at us, we are a design'' But no, we adapted to the image, if we had no ears we would still look pretty, if we didnt have a nose we STILL would etc.
We adapted.
Krygeryo 3 years ago
We have a lot of work to do! Lets go! Screw the guns, grab some stones!
navaerick69bb 3 years ago
You are accountable - you are accountable to your fellow humans.
And why does no god mean no good? Can you not still be a parent to a child? Can you not save a life?
This must be one of the worst arguments I have ever heard.
Andrew1345 3 years ago
Thanks for telling the truth about it homie!
rickyjay2006 3 years ago
Oh dear... at least you're thinking, just try to think a little harder
necralich 3 years ago
nice, thanks man
hzasl 3 years ago
You are exactly right.Thank you for strenghening my belief in a god of my understanding.
akbill2 3 years ago
you need to take an advanced mathematics course or a physics course to learn what a scientific "proof" is
slovakmath 3 years ago
Good and evil are creations of the human mind. How would that prove that God exists? Atheists have concepts of good and evil too.
uberjim83 3 years ago
get of the roirds you faggot
i am the devil
thepythonpit 3 years ago
Fail.
ewrules 3 years ago
Evil and Good does not exist. theres only actions and depends of the perception of the people that see those actions.
pisteador1985 3 years ago
What is evil or good is based upon human perception and nothing more. It has nothing to do with any God...especially a God of divine origin.
Nimbostratus1111 3 years ago
"'I refuse to prove i exist' says God, 'becouse proof denies faith, and without faith, i am nothing'. 'But', says man,' the human mind is a dead givaway, isnt it? It could have not evolved by chance. It proves you exist, therefore, by your own argument, you dont. QED'
"' Oh dear,' says God, ' I hadnt thought of that,' and prompltly vanishes in a puff of logic
crustycunt666 3 years ago
people who are trying to contradict this guy are just plain retarded. this video makes the most sense of any video i have seen in a long time. this guys knows what hes talking about. props.
satoshie 3 years ago
"these aren't the brains you're looking for. Move along."
voraistos 3 years ago
The argument makes no sense. This guy needs to read The God Delusion.
Scothodgins 3 years ago
all brawn..........no brains
ultimabond985 3 years ago
Stick to ripping phone books apart, bonehead.
robbie6642 3 years ago
haha!
laurettifan 3 years ago
that's not the point guy. it's not supposed to prove or disprove god.
it's an observation, that if god DID exist, he'd be quite the malicious god because of all the evil in the world.
foxfairandbalanced 3 years ago
I need to start working out again!!
AiresQX4 3 years ago
simple people think that religion brings morality.Frankly i'm insulted by this - it's wrong and the consequence of faulty thinking.NOW THAT IS EVIL.
stratocaster539 3 years ago 2
god forbid that things "just happen." lol
innerJAG 3 years ago
pretty elementary concept you've got there, are your parents proud?
fetapuchi 3 years ago
Jesus said We are to come to God as if we were a Little Child. So be it and I'm proud of this man
fmcginn 3 years ago
Makes me think god is a pedo or something.
voraistos 3 years ago
Evil and Good are both opinions. In my opinion, the definitions of evil and good have come through evolution of society. This, I think, is proven by looking at the definitions of good and evil in foreign countries. They just don't line up with ours all the time.
AkeJay02 3 years ago
random "things happening", labeled as either good or evil, prove nothing. you cannot generate a proof from an event. you need to use reason and logic to arrive at a proof. and i think it's far too assumptive to state that two individuals will agree that any certain action or event should be classified as either "good" or "evil". for example, i tend to think of the entirety of organized religion as extremely detrimental and ill-intended (or evil, if you must use these terms).
mouseturbator 3 years ago
Here's your proof. Like the Animal when they kill another animal they don't feel bad they just keep on killing until they are satisfied. Cause all Animals has no "Living Soul" in them. But, Human being has a living soul in every each one of them.
when a human being kill another human being they feel Bad or Guilty & their conscious hunts them. Other people their soul are "spiritually dead" & when they kill a human being it does not bother them at all.
cause their souls are dead like the animal.
jegjegod 3 years ago
animals kill to feed. And they dont kill their own. Humans kill their own, and kill a lot for non-nutritious reasons. Therefore humans have no soul, and animals have.
voraistos 3 years ago
God bless you
David10Bentley 3 years ago
You seem to have a very bleek view of humans. You actually think that if there were no god, we would all just rape and murder each other. Is that what you think of people in general? How sad it is to know that if god didn't exist, you would be a child molesting, murdering, rapist. Since we couldnt figure out right from wrong by ourselves, I guess you wouldn't find any problem with that statement being true if god didn't exist. Would you commit all those acts if I proved god didnt exist?
lifegiver36 3 years ago
AMEN !!
Giovanni8874 3 years ago
The universe is not neccessarily black or white. Mabee there are other possabilities.
Like: You, I or we don't know or can't know. How could I, with my little brain, possably understand the whole universe?
I know a lot of stuff, but I don't understand relativity. Therefore I conclude that some people are smarter than I am.
bimmjim 3 years ago
I respect your viewpoint however I would disagree that you have proven that God exists with your statements. You have not given me proof of God you have given me the proof of why religion was created.
Example: If an experiment were allowed for a newborn human to be put in and raised in an environment of animals, that human would not have the same moral code as they would if they were raised by humans.
My point: Convictions are taught to us. They are not part of our genetic makeup.
gonenuckinfuts 3 years ago
Did you know that we are all like God. Because we know from Good & Bad. Did you know also that the law of God is written in every human's heart that we will dicern from Evil & Good because we are all created in the image of God. Not like the animal when they kill another animal they don't feel bad.
But, humans does. Because we are in loins of
Adam & Eve when they ate the Forviden Tree.
they shall become like God & will know from Evil & Good. So, we don't need to speculate whether god exist.
jegjegod 3 years ago