NH open carry incident: MPD passes, store fails

[nudge2425]

Hi guys, this might be a stupid question, but could they sue that company for discrimination? (PLEASE bear in mind I live in Australia and know nothing of US Law)

[vincentrich]

"Criminals for gun control dot com. Criminals for gun control dot com"

[amguevara1985]

good job guys im all for gun rights as a lawbiding citezan the hell with them ppl cuz 70prct shows tht ppl tht are afraid/against guns are the ones who need OUR help when shit hits the fan. when the threat is rite than and there betime copz come we handled it cuz one we are feared for our lives n 2 for others aswell cuz wen the threat sees us armed they come after US first n it takes cops 5 to 10mins to get there. so do the math ppl. let em do their shit their way w/out us as gun carriers,

[RyanJM76]

Here is a though if you are carrying a gun in the open you probably have a clean record and the right to it. only a criminal needs to hide a weapon.

[theprimemeridians]

Then start a boycott of Stop & Shop. That is all you can do. Find which store allows & go there.

[wvwildwilly]

You may be allowed to open carry but you must respect the rights and rules on other peoples property. If they say no carry on our property then you can't carry. The 2nd amendmaent gives us the right to own firearms. It does not give us the right to ignore others right's. Be a responsible gun owner and not a problem gun owner. And I am an NRA certified instructor and I teach that in my class.

[nickg2393]

hey um guys i get the second amendment and all but open carrying a gun should be outlawed beacuse weapons like that can scare people i dont want to walk down my street and see someone openly carrying a pistol it makes me think that they are going to shoot me, and the second amendment states that you have the right to bear arms not carry them openly in public

[samten10a]

@nickg2393

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If open carrying should be banned because it scares someone then Using your stupide theory then being american african, mexican, skin head or someone wearing a baseball hat because it scares someone it should be against the law and that person should be put in jail. You are an imbecile aren’t you NICKG2393?

[TheRealTwitchy]

@nickg2393 You should be worried about the guns you CAN'T see. The people Open Carrying know the laws, know how to use a firearm responsibly, and usually practice with their firearm often. Criminals are afraid to open carry their weapon because they don't know the laws, and the extra attention from police that you get would be unwanted, and questioning from other citizens would be harsh. This is why I open carry everywhere I go. Remember, fear can be rational AND irrational.

[wesmatron]

Porcfest...Sounds like an orgy :)

[ju66al070]

oc retardation at its best.

[TEDOVSKY]

If a shop, store or restaurant has a sign forbidding open-carry patrons and you enter then you can be arrested for criminal trespass. If there is NO sign and you enter then you can't be arrested if the cops are called but will be escorted off the premises by the arriving cops or security. Also carrying a weapon in your car is legally dodgy altho in PLAINE SIGHT on the dash-board in most friendly open-carry states is o.k. Its best to check the local bye-laws well b4 leaving home with ur weapon.

[jeboyer318443]

All these people open carrying to get police attention is stupid. A gun is for self defense not for causing trouble everywere you go. Not the brightest to open carry if your comming off as a young immature adult. Doesnt go to well.

[hammerogod]

For The Record:

Dragging your AK into the local Library or Bank or Albertson's is NOT going to further the cause of those of us who support the 2nd Amendment.

Just use some common sense.

If you are OCing because you want to make a statement then your motives are questionable.

OC is a "Right"..Constitutionally protected and recently upheld by the Supreme Court. (5/4..close vote)

We have made a lot of headway and progress.

Now is the time to act like responsible adults.

[nickg2393]

@hammerogod its not a right to OC its the right to own weapons not freak people out while having it strapped to your hip that should be reserved for people who actualy use them for anything other than target practice you fucking hillbillies

[hammerogod]

@nickg2393

Yes, it is a RIGHT.

The 2nd Amendment says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms". I will strap anything to my hip that I choose to strap there.

Unless it is illegal.

Look up the word "bear".

transitive verb

a : to move while holding up and supporting (something) b : to be equipped or furnished with (something) Guns are not for settling disputes of making other people afraid or intimidated. They are for hunting, sport and self-defense.

[hammerogod]

@nickg2393

Yes, it is a RIGHT.

The 2nd Amendment says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms".

I will strap anything to my hip that I choose to strap there.

Unless it is illegal.

Look up the word "bear".

transitive verb a : to move while holding up and supporting (something) b : to be equipped or furnished with (something)

And I am not a Hillbilly.

I am a highly trained Nurse (Dementia Specialist).

[hammerogod]

I am a strong supporter of OC but on Private Property it is up to the discretion of the Owner whether you can carry a gun into his store or onto his property.

My "Rights" regarding my Private Property are as important to me as my "Rights" to OC.

OC may never become a mainstream trend but if we maintain an adult attitude and use common sense and restraint OC will become acceptable to the Soccor Moms and become a non-issue.

It's all about getting the public informed.

But not alarmed.

[zerosix1786]

i'm all for open carrying but the guys that do it with an ak or just walk up and down the street then get upset when a cop shows up and says "i dont care if people don't like it" one thing is it being your right, another is abusing it by being a total dick... now do you really need to open carry in crowded places...... especially if they have never ever been an incident in there.... it's com on sense be courteous and throw your shirt over it for the love of god....

[amerique101]

Well, property rights are more important to people here in NH. When banks and stores get robbed here in NH, can you blame someone for saying, "please don't bring a firearm into my establishment"? It's their right because it's their property. Why are you disrespecting someone else's property? In NH, we are fairly free, but we also live by this one motto: "Live Free or Die", which really means: "DONT FUCK WITH US, FLATLANDERS!!!"

[Sigp229TRT]

@amerique101 Manchester is flat...............

[atchisrj1]

I am all for the right to own and carry a weapon. But, I also respect property rights. If a business doesn't want people to carry on their premises then that is their right. They just will get less business then.

[littlebigefan]

ha ha ha. no food for you spanky.

[frankiegmh]

I don't get why this guy thinks the store should be boycotted. As a manager of a store he has the right to ask that guns not be in his store just as he can ask anyone who is not wearing shoe or a shirt to not enter. This store in private property not a pubic place. I think as a reasonable person you could understanding someone being uneasy with someone bring a gun in their store. I think maybe the manger could have asked them to leave the gun out side instead of call the police and wasting taxes

[UponGiantsShoulders]

@frankiegmh It is completely understandable, and proper that private business be allowed to make such decisions. Fear of guns is offensive to me in the same way fear of dogs is offensive to me. The same way fear of authority no matter how honest is offensive. Its ignorance ultimately. Any human who thinks they are safe and protected by ignoring reality offends me, I boycott people with these traits, why not businesses?

[OneMissionInLife]

I am a law enforcement officer that supports open carry, but when you say "apparently they didn't have anything else to do today", you make yourself and your (our) cause sound stupid.

They did have other things to do today, but they got called by the clerks. Almost every PD in the country has a mandatory response policy.

If they didn't, they wouldn't show up every time somebody called in a dog barking or when your house alarm falses for the tenth time in a week.

I forgive you saying somethi

[MadTarnsman]

You liberal shitasses NEVER get it!! The 2nd Amendment isn't for personal protection or hunting....those are just side perks....it's to protect us from the BIGGEST band of criminals the world has ever known, our gov't!!!! Once they get the 2nd Amendment, the rest of the Bill of Rights will be easy to tear down!!

[stealthyeliminator]

I firmly support all forms of unlicensed carry, but on private property it is (or should be) up to the owners or those in rightful control of the property to decide who is and isn't allowed to carry firearms on that property. I would not be up in arms about someone asking me to leave because I was carrying, though I would likely take my business elsewhere. So, kudos the OCers for respecting the rights of the property owners and simply shopping elsewhere, I suppose.

[GrizzPaul]

(citizen) a native or naturalized individual who owes allegiance to a government (as of a state or nation) and is entitled to the enjoyment of governmental protection and to the exercise of civil rights

[r1dermon]

a store doesn't have to let you open carry on their property...they can make you leave, as it's private property...

[walts44]

No one is taking away the gun. Just verification that the person carrying is allowed to by law. That's why it is called law enforcement. The short detention to verify the carrier is allowed to do so by law is a small price to pay to make sure the carrier is allowed to have open carry. If people don't want the intrusion don;t carry. You cannot expect an officer to turn a blind eye to someone armed in public.

[walts44]

In conceal carry states you must declare you are armed when approahced by a police officer, Such as stopped for a traffic violation.

[1239lvm]

@walts44 Not In Pennsylvania, if you are CC you must tell an officer only if he asks if you are armed. In PA. open carry alone is not a reason to stop a citizen per court rulings.

[walts44]

@1239lvm. Well all I can tell you is every state is different. Here in Ohio, you must advise or be arrested. To me it seems like a reasonable thing to tell an officer. I have no problem with either CC or OC. Officer safety is important. Being asked or questioned keeps everyone safer. Big deal if you are asked. If you are legal you walk away from the encounter with your weapon. 

[acoow]

@walts44 Officer safety *IS* important, but they people who will obey the law to inform a police officer are exactly the people whom the police officer does not need to worry about. A law requiring an armed person to inform a police officer does nothing at all.

[walts44]

@Dominicmetal. The answer is they don't know. That is why there is no expectaion of privacy when you are driving a motor vehicle. That is why it is ok for cops to run any license plate they see and check to see if the driver is valid or the car is stolen.

Comparing walking around with a gun has nothing to do with skin color or religious beliefs. Just because you have the right to carry does not mean law enforcement doesn't have the right to question.

[dboy3587]

i am in favor of owning guns, but open carry is kinda dumb

[acoow]

@dboy3587 Explain, please.

[walts44]

My question is how do you determin if the person openly carrying is allowed to have a gun? Convicted felons are not allowed to carry. How do you determine if the person is allowed to carry if he/she is not checked?

[DominicMetal1979]

@walts44 The answer: How do the cops "know" that every driver they see is licensed to drive a car? They don't. How do you know every person you see is not an escaped convict or a foreign spy? You don't. Part of -freedom- is that the fact that bad guys exist, does not mean good guys should have to be "checked" without cause. And the mere fact that guns are "scary" to some people is not sufficient cause, just like someone's religion, skin color, etc, is not sufficient cause.

[walts44]

@scoquist. All i was pointing out was that like underage drinking parties the cops don;t go looking for them. The are called by people who complain. The same in this case. The store people called the police. The police HAVE to repsond. I wasn't saying the guy carring was responsible for anything. The police HAD to respond becasue they were called. They don't have a choice.

[shaolinwarrior87]

i wish open carry would pass in TX, it makes more sense to carry a gun on a open holster than concealed, that is a show of force in a way, if i was a thief and i wanted to rob you, i see you with a weapon, i know that i will have to contest your gun, so why not pick on a person that is not armed? this is exactly what criminals want, an easy target

[walts44]

So my point is don't blame the police for responding. You didn't have any issue with the police. Until they get there how does anyone know you're weren't some kook going to kill your ex girlfriend. I have no problem with open carry, if it's legal then it's your right. Waht I have a problem with is whining about the police doing thier job and investigating a call. You were free to leave.

[walts44]

The police HAVE to respond. I'm sure there was other crime. But you raised alarm from your fellow citizens by insisting you open carry. Which is your right. YOU wasted police responce time to other calls because YOU decided to open carry in a store and made managment nervous. THEY called the cops. The cops didn't respond because you had open carry. They were called.

Just like a underage drinking party. The cops don't show up unless they are called.

[scoquist]

@walts44 How was the guy with open carry responsible? It was the store owner or person behind the counter! He/we have a right to open carry and if the proprietor doesn't like the law he has the same right to post a sign at the entrance. I dont see the correlation with underage drinking.

[Sojaofdapepo]

ive seen videos where a person tries to rob a store and a customer has a gun and shoots the mofo

[popeye1250]

Isn't carrying a firearm a "right" not a "priviledge?

Would this store deny people their first amendment rights too?

[eatmytool1]

it is the store's right to choose not to allow open carry in their store...not necessarily a good reason to boycott a place...but...to each his own

AND the porkfest guy with the mouth trumpet noises is a bit of a spazz....just sayin

[libertarianjury]

Alaska has universal CCW, in effect when you turn 18, no license required, so when you're going to the Stop & Sheep, you don't spook the grazing herd. Much smarter to have no gun laws, and let the guntoters themselves decide what the smartest way to carry is.

[modockid]

it just goes to show you how soft our country has gotten , 110 years ago , everybody was armed ,guns knifes,rifles, what ever was called for to protect yourself ,now if you hada permit to carry people get all freaked out and call the police saying " i'm being terrized , i bet if 5 people had guns on sept 11 2001 , i bet we wouldnt be at war , think about it ,

guns dont kill people , dumb people who take our rights away kill people ,

[RANDY64612]

I wouldn't want you guys in my store. I'd draw my shotgun on you freaks.

[Stink808]

Randy64612, Instead of getting all crazy and confrontational and possibly even getting arrested for a felony for brandishing your weapon against a person whose within the laws of the state..............

There's a much better way to deal with people who are excersising their rights of open carry and that's to exercise your own right to put up a sign at the entrance of your business informing them that firearms are prohibited on your premises.

[evolutionist101]

Wow...you seem so....rational......

[petertrast]

@RANDY64612 Name ONE incident of an open carry violent crime. Just ONE... of course, you can't, it does not happen...

[LWAEJGK19]

Isnt it true that the gun cant even be loaded when you oppen carry in NH? If so what the hell is the point? Hold on Mr robber, let me load my weopon befor you take my shit! I feel much better carrying concealed it gives you the element of suprise

[caneywaney]

I agree with you jasonsr3. It all seems childish the way it's being portrayed on here. You can tell a cop to fuck off but why would you. not polite or respectful. Same thing should apply to carrying a concealed weapon. you know you have a weapon, isn't that good enough? isn't that the point. Seems to me people are more interested in streaching the constitution than living with-in it's beauty. They make holsters that cover the whole eapon so you can't tell it's a gun or large multi-tool

[demmylowther]

You are absolutely right !How ever I'm sure you have had comments sent to you thinking your a Liberal anti-gun idiot.I have had some mean things sent to me just because I feel the same way you do.

I have LOTZ of bad ass guns but I would never feel the need to walk down the street with my 44 Raging bull exposed.I think most people who do,want to feel good about themselves by getting attention,and acting like John Wayne or Clint Eastwood.I'd rather carry concealed.I don't want the attention.

[jasonsr3]

piss off the cops not the general public, at least when you dont have to you want them on your side, keep doin what your doin but at least keep it in mind. dont think Im not for open carry but Im also for being smart about it.

[jasonsr3]

I am all for right to open carry and the second ammendment. Its about freedom but I also think its about freedom of a store owner to not have guys walking around with guns in his store scarring his customers. he is trying to make a living, its just business to him. I think its shitty to make a boycott of his store just because he is more interested in profitts then right to carry laws. I had a guy come in my jewelry store last year open carry(not smart) guys think before you go out(common sense)

[Stink808]

they should just add a sign to their entrance notifying the public that its forbidden on their premises. The only issue I could have with open carry is that it infuses a firearm into a location and in rare instances, that gun owner could be jumped, over powered and his weapon fall into the hands of a person or persons who are intent on committing a crime with it immediately upon taking control of it.

[jasonsr3]

thats a legitimate concern

[Riflemanm16a2]

Could you guys pick somewhere warmer to live so that I can take part? :)

[cephal0p0d]

Thanks for pushing back the social boundaries with this sort of activism. Good luck to you.

[demmylowther]

You guys are ridiculous,and hard headed !First thing,I own lotz of guns.I am not a spineless liberal,vegan/ hippy who hates all guns and wouldn't kill an ant .I will not get sucked into the idea that you are carrying soley for protection cause that's flatout bullshit.Your carrying a exposed gun to make you feel powerful&draw attention from civilians.Why I know ?Cause when I hold my RAGING BULL.44 Magnum,it does the same to me,like everyone else.You may be taking cops away from a real crime.

[jonnynocksville]

Doesn't matter the reason. Its not illegal to openly carry a firearm by a law abiding citizen in their state.

Question..would it be a deterrent for a thug bent on robbery to see an armed citizen in the business he was preparing to rob? I say it would be.

That's good enough for me.

I have a CCW licsence valid in over 30 states and I never leave home without my firearm. You choose not to, good for you. I refuse to be a passive victim, you choose to trust Law Enforcement for you safety.

[speeder741]

hey bud i did a ride along with some cops and we were going to a break in call it took us 6-8 minutes to get there when we got there the officer said to me look i had my lights and sirens on and see how long it took us and then he said we cant always get to the place in 30 seconds people don't under stand that they need protection. every thing was all good that cop was trying his hardest to get to the place we reached speed of 115 mph some cops are nice and some are assholes

[baker861120]

@jonnynocksville oooor, we just get rid of guns. that way ANYONE with a gun (short for police) is a criminal and will be taken care of. but instead you want bigger guns! because the "thugs" have bigger guns and then they will get even bigger guns and you follow...

it will end in everyone having a bazooka on their backs...

I would not want to live in a country where you cant feel safe without having to carry a firearm or even a knife.

[scarred4life1]

@baker861120 We cant get rid of guns. If all guns were outlawed and taken away tomorrow guns would just be imported illegally from other countries. They will be smuggled in and trafficked in the same manner drugs are. A gun is an inanimate object. People are stabbed to death every year but no one is trying to ban knives. We as Americans have the right to protect ourselves from armed attackers. When robed at gunpoint or invaded at home police are minutes away. It only takes a second to be killed.

[baker861120]

@scarred4life1 a nuclear bomb is also an inanimate object... shouldnt you all have one of those at home too? <- just as stupid as your claim to ban knifes.

[scarred4life1]

@scarred4life1 A nuclear bomb is not within the means of a private citizen to protect themselves. Guns are. Our constitution gives us the right to bare arms. No state can supercede Federal laws. They do anyway which is unconstitutional. When someone breaks into your house rapes your wife then slits her throat I'm sure you would have wanted a gun to protect your family. But even if YOU don't WE do! You have no right to tell me or anyone else that I'm not allowed to protect myself and my family.

[vinha1006]

@baker861120 Then you had better look a bit closer at whom and what conditions you are voting for. There was a quote in the abortion debate many years ago that is apropos. Just substitute gun(s) for abortion. To paraphrase--- "Any group, state, or nation that tells you that they have the right to legislate so that you cannot have a(n) abortion can also tell you that you must have a(n) abortion". As for the rest--- please feel free to apply for immigrant status somewhere like Mexico at any time.

[baker861120]

@vinha1006 Hmm, what?

I live in Sweden... We don't walk around with guns here.

And for the Mexico-part, it may be nice and warm there... but I kinda like cold weather.

Your argument to have guns is because anyone with the power to deny you abortion can force to have one?

Wtf does abortions have to do with guns? Unless you use a gun to abort? :P (just being silly)

But still, don't compare stuff that are irrelevant to each other.

GAH! sleep deprevation makes me write stupid things -.-

[vinha1006]

@baker861120 - parallel arguments that both point to the same object(ive). Governments must always be controlled by rational public actions and controls or they will always become tools of a particular group or mindset.

It was thus in the day of Aristotle- and thus it remains. If we legislated these things by popular vote rather than simple authority and fiat, I would not object--- But sir, fiat flux is the current method here.

[cephal0p0d]

If this weren't obviously an organized activist group making a point, I'd be inclined to agree.

But they are. There is a specific and important point being explored: the rights of the individual versus the rights of the group.

I'd probably disagree with most of the politics of most of these people if I met them and discussed other topics with them, but I completely agree with what they are doing here.

[LetsSeeHowStupidUR]

Well you are a sad, self hating, pathetic individual. The fact that you feel powerful when holding a gun is just pitiful an screams you have no self esteem. Each person open carries for thier own reasons but to say you know why is the only bullshit here.

I do however give you high makers for at least admitting your self loathing an that what they are doing isn't a crime. I hope someday soon you will see self worth with out the need to hold a firearm to do it. Good luck to you.

[demmylowther]

You are the one who is pathetic blogging about a comment that was written 4 months ago.Get a life ya little cunt ! I'm Superior,you are a weak,spineless limpwristed individual.You need to carry an exposed gun to make your self worth legitimized.I myself know I am a superior awesome strong minded human being that makes an insignificant pathetic little shit like you look even more pathetic.What you really need to do is order one of those penis enlargement devices.Sounds like you need one !

[LetsSeeHowStupidUR]

An the more drugs you take the crazier you will get an the more superior you will be to every one. Thanks for the insane rant, it is appreciated when people like yourself fall out of the crazy tree an hit every branch on the way to the ground. I needed a great laugh an who better to laugh at they you. I didn't know Charles Manson had computer access.

[teebteeb1268]

Sounds like you need to read a book.... or take up yoga.

[LibertyJedi]

Screw that store for business! Rather choke to death then shop there.

[mAssBackwards]

I carry a gun in the Exeter S&S every time I go there for groceries or to the bank office there. Don't tell!

Do these people not realize that no criminal is going to walk in with his gun out in the open.

Criminals with concealed guns, come on in.

Good citizens with guns we can see? AAAGHHH!!!

[wolfinside]

Well, ..... a private business has every right to ban people for any reason. (including gun carry) And we have every right to boycott them for doing so. Individual rights for all.

[massltca]

I agree. However businesses that ban carrying should have to assume liability if someone is shot on their property due to their refusal to allow their patrons to protect themselves.

[samatention]

MASSLTCA---

the store owners DO have the liability for what ever happens in the store. Even if the robbers gets falls and brakes a leg after he committing the robbery, the owner is liable.

[massltca]

That's true, but they are not held liable if someone is shot on their property due to their prohibition of firearms. Therefore we have lots of potential hunting grounds for criminals because of this lack of any liability for disarming law abiding people. So I refuse to go anywhere that I can't be armed.

[Riflemanm16a2]

I usually carry concealed anyway. Who's gonna know?

[wdufresne71]

I Open carry in Walmart in Hudson NH and got a few strange looks but no problems,

[mackler]

Walmart in Manchester allows open carry.

[dumpgrump]

you mean stop and rob!!

[AdamAbs87]

Take note robbers, shoplifters, and other degenerates!! The customers in the Stop and Shop on the corner of Valley and Wilson are COMPLETELY UNARMED. Store management ensures no one will be there to return fire or defend the Sheeple. I guess the store is a Gun Free Zone, and we all know how well those work (Virginia Tech, Columbine, etc). I think I'm going to write someone in the ranks of Stop and Shop a letter about this, and how they lost my business over it, I proudly open carry.

[baker861120]

@AdamAbs87 do they say anything about the clerks/workers not having guns?

and really... to "proudly open carry" sounds like you are waving your dick around :P

[amagilly]

wouldn't it be ironic if the store were to get robbed and no open-carry citizen were there to stop the robbery?

note to robbers: you have nothing to fear from patrons inside Stop&Shop.

[somecomputergeek]

Holy shit. I go to that Stop&Shop.

The store is privately owned and the owners have the right to deny access to anyone who open carries, though.

[OlGreyWolf58]

It is the mindset. I work in a C store and people often open carry in. I am comfortable with that. Don't think the store will get robbed.

[803honda]

robbers and theives do not open carry.

[OlGreyWolf58]

Mayne so, but with a couple of open carry peeps in the store........

[OnGuard4Liberty]

"I go to that Stop&Shop" --

Looks like it's time to find a new place to buy your groceries. They have the right to decide who is welcome on their property, but not the right to your money.

[OnGuard4Liberty]

There's a discussion about this in the New Hampshire section of OpenCarry*org's forum and it explains how to contact stop and shop to let them know how you feel.

[whoarentyou]

I don't know the laws there, but I imagine if the store didn't want people carrying in the store, they simply could post signs at the entrances about it.

Refusing someone service because they aren't breaking the law, or doing any actions that are detrimental to your business itself, is ridiculous.

I rather trust someone open carrying than a normal person, because they know and are respectful of the laws.

[DFMBro]

"don't know the laws there, but I imagine if the store didn't want people carrying in the store, they simply could post signs at the entrances about it."

yep. one of the few restrictions of OC here in new mexico is exactly that.

joe

[whoarentyou]

I know here in MN it's common to see businesses have signs posted to say no firearms allowed, (I know my local mall has signs posted). Of course that came up mostly after conceal and carry started.

OC or C&C, as long as it's legal, they should have to specifically post a sign about it. Just like it's legal to be shirtless or shoeless, but the store can tell you to get out if don't follow those.

[LumpyRevolution]

I won't be patronizing Stop & Shop markets any longer.

[AngelWithGuns42]

The John Galt Solution is the only solution!

Stop funding and forging your own chains and shackles!

As far as Stop and Shop wanting your business but at the expense of rendering their customers defenseless...

I'd say boycott them...tell all your friends and acquaintances...spread it widely on the internet...and you might even hand-deliver and mail copies of the boycott information to them...

[GordonWalton]

Love that folks in NH are standing up for their open carry rights. I really want open carry to pass here in TX.

[fluhlej]

@GordonWalton

I thought TX was open carry only and that TX does not allow for Concealed Carry?

[GordonWalton]

@fluhlej There is no open carry in public in Texas that I'm aware of (you can on your own land, or while hunting), and we do have Concealed Carry, but it's licensed, you have to take a course, get a background check, etc... Texas has reciprocal agreements with most other CC states.

[fluhlej]

@GordonWalton cool that's good to know, thanks :)

[MrDoc73]

@GordonWalton What do you mean, you hope open carry passes, the 2nd should apply in any state.

[tanerofies]

My experience with law enforcement is that they badly want to take 'reports' over the phone. You have to really argue with them to see any actual faces.